Beyond: Two Souls with a Therapist: Part 6

追加: 2026-05-27

[00:00:00]Hello friends and welcome to part six of Beyond Two Souls with a Therapist. It's been a wild ride going through parts one to five. I'm excited for what part six will have in store.

[00:00:16]If you're disappointed in how part five went, I get it. But I also say empathically, too bad. We're sticking with it. The run is the run. So, we're going to see what happens now in the aftermath of us not making it to the party. What will Jod's plight be now?

[00:00:38]Here we go. Leave a thumbs up, leave a comment, follow the links in the description, all that fun stuff. Let's rock.

[00:00:52]>> Jody, get up.

[00:00:54]>> Huh?

[00:00:57]What? What's going on?

[00:01:00]>> Get dressed. I'll explain in the car.

[00:01:08]The DPA has launched a program to study the other side. The infra gold as they call it. They've created a condenser, a machine to open a rift to what lies beyond.

[00:01:19]>> They've opened a passage to Idan's world.

[00:01:23]>> Something happened last night. entities got through the rift and we couldn't shut down the condenser. Everybody in the building was slaughtered. None of the rescue teams came back. They called and asked for your help. I told them you were just a child, that it was too dangerous. But they know only you know how to deal with what lies beyond the lift.

[00:01:47]>> Wow. This super dangerous thing happened and a bunch of elite soldiers and people at a thing were slaughtered.

[00:01:53]Jody, you're our only hope. No pressure.

[00:01:56]Jeez Louise.

[00:02:05]>> Yeah. Come on in.

[00:02:13]>> Jody, if you don't want to do it, just say and I'll take you back.

[00:02:26]Now that we're all the way here, Jody.

[00:02:29]Oh my god. Uh, okay. So, I I understand that there is urgency here, but if there's a choice and and Jody has a choice in the matter, maybe take 30 seconds to tell her what's going on at the place.

[00:02:53]And if you're sitting here going, "No, dude. Time's of the essence." Like, what happens? I'm going to be I'm going to be gross for a second. What happens if Jody wakes up and she's like, "All right, Nathan, I'll go with you. just I got to take a [ __ ] real fast. And the time that it would take for her to do that, and we'd be like, "Okay, yeah, that's fine.

[00:03:06]I understand." And the time that it would have taken her to do that, Nathan could explain what's going on. You don't need to get her in the car and drive her all the way to the hospital. And then after you've cost sunk her on this, if you hit her on the head with a 2x4 without looking, say, "If you don't want to do it, I'll take you back." Now, some of this may be because Nathan doesn't actually want her to do this because he's scared about her getting in trouble. Maybe you should have thought about that before you piled her into the car. This is where doing things out of a state of panic where you're not thinking clearly, not the best idea.

[00:03:45]So, this whole setup sucks.

[00:03:51]It's all right.

[00:03:58]I'll do it.

[00:04:03]>> But if I do it, you better let me go to the next party I want to go to.

[00:04:20]>> Christ, Nathan, this is crazy. You can't send her in there. What are you thinking?

[00:04:24]>> You don't understand.

[00:04:26]>> She's the only one that can stop this.

[00:04:35]>> No, don't say anything to me. Well, you're probably still mad at me. That's understandable.

[00:04:40]God damn, dude. We got like a SWAT team here.

[00:04:42]>> Any information coming out of there yet?

[00:04:44]Anything?

[00:04:48]>> Wow. A cacophony. Is that the girl?

[00:04:52]>> I'm sorry, Miss.

[00:04:54]>> She can go.

[00:04:56]>> Oh, I'm sorry.

[00:05:02]>> Let's do this. Go. Not yet.

[00:05:09]>> This is a nightmare.

[00:05:12]Thinking I'll wake up.

[00:05:19]A lot going on here.

[00:05:24]>> That's the one they've been testing.

[00:05:33]>> Yeah, me. I don't even get a hazmat suit.

[00:05:40]>> We're just going in.

[00:05:43]>> It's going to be okay.

[00:05:44]>> What could that be? what they look like.

[00:05:46]>> They're not telling us everything >> with these levels. Nobody else should go in there.

[00:05:50]>> There's no way to continue this.

[00:05:55]>> The condenser is in the lower basement.

[00:05:57]You need to find the control room.

[00:05:59]That's all they could tell me.

[00:06:03]>> Jody, the entities around the rift, they're not like Iden. They're from the depths of the other side. We know almost nothing about them.

[00:06:13]I've been living with an entity that I know nothing about since the day I was born.

[00:06:22]>> I get it.

[00:06:24]>> Don't worry. I don't plan on dying today.

[00:06:35]You know, I if there was ever a circumstance where your teenage brain works to your benefit, not thinking about the consequences of what's about to happen because you relate to an abstract component of the chaos in front of you, I guess, is one of those times like if she is genuinely the only person that can do anything about this, probably better she's not a super skittish agorophobic adult that thinks about everything that could happen here. Probably better that she's a teenager that's like, "Yeah, I totally I get it. Yeah, I've been dealing with this my whole life. I won't die today."

[00:07:12]Okay.

[00:07:15]Like, it's a weird circumstance because she's if she's actually the only one that can do anything about this, then okay, if there's other ways that we can go about this, not so great. But okay.

[00:07:32]Cool. I have a sense of purpose now.

[00:07:35]This is something I can relate to. This is exciting.

[00:07:40]I don't need a hazmat suit. I don't need an AR-15.

[00:07:45]Nah, I'm going to go in Anthony Davis style street clothes.

[00:07:54]I don't know about you, Idan.

[00:07:57]>> But I'm scared.

[00:08:20]>> Can I help these people?

[00:08:56]Guess I'll just use the elevator.

[00:09:01]>> Great.

[00:09:03]The elevator's stuck.

[00:09:04]>> Yeah, probably should take the stairs.

[00:09:05]Jody be a good idea.

[00:09:07]>> See what you can do, Iden.

[00:09:08]>> Oh, sure.

[00:09:13]Move down.

[00:09:16]Tutorial time.

[00:09:52]Right. Quick time events. Got to do those.

[00:10:27]you okay? Oh boy. Redirect the emanation to Jod's head until she has a flashback.

[00:10:35]Oh.

[00:10:51]Come on.

[00:11:00]>> Oh, so now we can see what other people experienced.

[00:11:36]Is that dude going to come back alive?

[00:11:40]No. Okay.

[00:12:03]Go. Nothing but death in there.

[00:12:22]Come on, dude.

[00:12:24]Out of my way.

[00:12:48]Okay, cool.

[00:12:51]Now we play Resident Evil.

[00:13:18]Try to open it from the other side.

[00:14:07]It's probably pretty hot in here, huh?

[00:14:08]>> I know.

[00:14:10]I can feel it, too. They're here.

[00:14:15]Stay close to me. Okay.

[00:14:23]Can I do the thing?

[00:14:36]>> Call the emergency team. They're coming.

[00:14:43]Jeez.

[00:14:46]All right.

[00:14:48]Well, it's hot over there. Can't go over there.

[00:15:57]The invisible wall won't let us go any further here.

[00:16:12]Let's see.

[00:16:47]Uh, so I guess there's probably something interesting here to talk about um of like what it is for Jody to actually see what these people experience.

[00:17:01]Uh, sometimes people worry if they have something really difficult that they need to talk about or had like a really off-the-wall experience, they worry that you could like traumatize your therapist or other people by telling you the thing that you experienced that was traumatic. Think of it as as if these people told her what they experienced rather than her seeing it.

[00:17:25]And that can happen, but it's really rare.

[00:17:30]The only way that that's ever going to happen is if you disclose something that is so far beyond the expectations of life that like your therapist has or your friend has that they empathize with it so deeply that they themselves experience it as a violation. of their expectations with a lost sense of safety and security. And that's really hard to do, especially with a therapist. I tell people all the time, there's really not anything you are ever going to say to me that is going to throw me off. Like, it's not I'm not going to get traumatized by anything somebody says to me.

[00:18:20]Cuz you're just telling me about something that happened. and I'm not going to personalize it or lose myself in it so far that it becomes something that I'm relating inductively.

[00:18:32]But that's a skill in some ways that you learn by being a therapist. Not to say that like again the bulk of people are not going to get traumatized by your trauma. Sometimes people really worry about that. So how Jod is registering all of this, we don't know. I'm not going to sit here and say that she's getting traumatized by all of this.

[00:18:49]Certainly scary. certainly something where she's seeing things you might not want to see. But people don't just get trauma because they see like dead bodies and [ __ ] That's not really how that works. Trauma happens when there's such a steep violation of your expectations via an experience you're having that and coupled with a lost sense of safety and security where it like crumbles a lot of things that your brain uses to keep itself feeling good most of the time. So we can't say whether this is traumatizing to Jod. So, I don't really have a lot. Reason I'm not saying a lot here is because of that. We don't know how she's registering this.

[00:19:29]Do therapists ever get put off because of somebody's trauma? Uh, if they do, that's a problem. Uh, trauma is trauma, man. You You get traumatized by a lot of things that people don't anticipate. If a therapist gets put off by trauma, what the hell are they doing working with trauma? It's not my job. I mean, do we cast judgment on things? Yes. Everybody casts judgment on things, but we don't cast judgment in the way that people are afraid of. It's not like I'm sitting here going, "Oh, you got traumatized because you went to a party and you got left behind by your friends. Oh, trauma for man. You think that's bad? You should hear about Iraq veterans." Like, no. No. If your therapist does that, you have a shitty therapist.

[00:20:11]So, no. uh we see trauma as something that is worth exploring and being cur about curious about and understanding how it affects you.

[00:20:21]Um but she's not I mean a lot of this stuff is stuff she's seen before. We're just in a pretty heightened context. But this is why I I don't generally like conversations about trauma in popular like media and in on social media and stuff because people people overuse the word. You can experience something really intense and it not be traumatic.

[00:20:44]Like trauma is not the word you use to describe something that is really intense.

[00:20:49]Trauma is the word you use to describe the profound violation of your expectations with an experience with a loss sense of safety and security that leads to your brain adjusting the way that it orients itself to unrelated stimulus later on. That's that's a whole different process.

[00:21:15]There we go. I'm so strong.

[00:21:21]Let's do it, Jody. Oh my god. Resident Evil camera.

[00:21:30]God. Oh my god. I hate these.

[00:21:36]I'm going to fail a quick time event because the stupid controller doesn't register properly at some point. I'm calling it.

[00:21:43]It's going to ruin the run.

[00:22:05]Man, we got to How are we not Oh my god, the place is on fire. There's chemicals.

[00:22:11]We just Yeah. All right. Yeah, this is This is stupid that they would put her in this without a fire suit. Unbelievable.

[00:22:43]No point in doing that, lady.

[00:23:06]Let's go.

[00:23:10]Yeah, let's put Oh, put that down, Jody.

[00:23:18]I'm going to die of smoke inhalation.

[00:23:25]If I get copyright claimed because of that song, I'm going to lose my mind.

[00:23:52]Are you hurt? Can you move? Not going to make it. Calm down. Everywhere.

[00:24:15]>> Oh boy.

[00:25:00]All right, let's find that fire extinguisher. Yeah, nice.

[00:25:33]This is so stupid that they put her in here. This is so dumb.

[00:25:46]I would love to know what my firefighter brother-in-law would say about this.

[00:25:57]>> Well, I guess we don't need to watch his death.

[00:26:11]Incredible lungs on Jody.

[00:26:25]>> Hey man, you good?

[00:26:30]>> What are you doing here? Oh, [ __ ] >> Okay, so the demons use bad words.

[00:26:44]>> Yeah, I don't get a sense there's a lot of ventilation in here either, but we'll suspend our disbelief, I guess.

[00:26:51]>> What the hell?

[00:27:03]What's up, man?

[00:27:07]>> Okay. What the hell is going on here?

[00:27:09]Can I not?

[00:27:11]Okay. Got to walk around that dude's body.

[00:27:18]>> No, no, no, no. Please, please go away.

[00:27:20]Go away. God, no. Please.

[00:27:22]>> Easy. I'm I'm Jody. I I work with Professor Dawkins.

[00:27:25]>> The entities, they invaded the laboratory. Creatures from the depths. I I managed to hide, but they're still here. I know they're still here.

[00:27:34]>> Try to get to the elevator.

[00:27:36]It's It's working now. You You should be able to get out.

[00:27:39]>> You're staying here.

[00:27:40]>> But those things those those things will kill you.

[00:27:45]>> I'm not alone.

[00:27:46]>> We always face death alone.

[00:27:56]>> Die, YOU LITTLE [ __ ] DIE.

[00:28:01]ALL RIGHT. OH, WHOOPS.

[00:28:29]WHOOPS. Oh god, I went the wrong way. Oh god.

[00:28:37]Oh god.

[00:29:17]Crush him.

[00:29:36]Oh man, you weren't expecting to do that.

[00:29:41]NOW WE are in some rough territory, right? This is where now this is the consequence of the fact that she went in here and was like, I got this. I relate to this, but I don't actually possess the skill and ability to calculate all the things that are possibly going to happen here. Not that not that everybody's able to do that, but now we see a consequence of the fact that Jod was in no way, shape, or form prepared for this. It's one thing to relate to it. It's another thing to be able to exert influence on it. And this is where I like Nathan really failed her here.

[00:30:23]She's not prepped for this. Not one time in the game have we ever seen Jody be prepared to use Iden as a weapon against something. She's had to do it in reaction to things. But we've never been in a position where we've been told, "Hey, by the way, Jody, we we're partially preparing you to be a weapon against this should something go wrong.

[00:30:54]So now I if you're to the question of why would they possess somebody to fight Jod? I actually think that's pretty genius.

[00:31:05]The entity itself showing up to fight Jod doesn't throw Jod off. Jod knows what to expect. Iden has fought that before. You take possession of a human, it makes her hesitate.

[00:31:18]She Iden can't fight that fight in the way that it may that he may have back when it was just these you know these ghosts coming out of the wall. So if you're anybody who's ever fought uh I am not one of those people but I know enough of it is like one of the things that you want to do is you want to throw people off. You want to you want to violate expectations as much as you possibly can because you gain the upper hand. The demon takes possession of a human and then starts coming at her.

[00:31:47]She's not ready for hand-to-hand combat.

[00:31:50]She doesn't know how to do that. She's not ready to put a killing blow on a human. Like these are all things that make it so that the demon has more leverage on her and Iden, I guess, can exert less influence on it. So, I look at that less as an oversight and more of the demon maybe having some understanding of how to try to get an advantage here.

[00:32:14]But man, Jody killing that dude because it was possess he was possessed. It's it's akin to somebody going out and doing something and being in a place they shouldn't be in and then something really bad happens while you're out there and you don't have any template through which you could really filter or understand what just happened. And now you got to live with the consequences of it and make sense of it. And without uh any proper scaffolding around that, she's left her own devices which is going to be brutal. But she's already now she's way thrown off. This whole mission is stupid because there's no she should not be in here.

[00:32:51]So, I mean, a lot of shit's going to happen in here that's really bad because she shouldn't be here in the first place. She's woefully unprepared. They didn't even give her a weapon, dude.

[00:33:00]They didn't even like give her a baseball bat. It was like, "Hey, go in there in your street clothes, completely unarmed, no respirator, no oxygen. Just just get in there and and do your paranormal thing."

[00:33:16]is just so poorly thought out and thus pretty unrelatable and hard to analyze.

[00:33:51]It's not a house. For Christ's sakes, entities can go through matter. This won't stop them.

[00:33:57]>> Can't take that chance.

[00:34:10]Damn.

[00:34:12]What the hell does this thing have against us? Jesus.

[00:34:27]Also, if the entity wanted us dead, it would possess one of these dudes and shoot at us. If that's what you can do, unless it can't possess dead people, pick up an AR-15, just open fire on Jod.

[00:34:42]So, there's something about this that also stands out. Like, this thing wants you dead. You're dead.

[00:34:49]But we're not dead. So, does this thing want us dead?

[00:35:03]Stay close. Okay.

[00:35:07]>> Well, I am tethered. So, man, look at these computers staying on during the sprinkler system.

[00:35:53]Sure, why not?

[00:36:25]Oh, it's like we're on Novaria.

[00:36:30]The condenser is close. I can feel the echo on the other side.

[00:36:35]Let's take it really slow. Maybe we can slip through and notice.

[00:36:39]>> Yeah, maybe. Sure, Jody.

[00:36:43]>> Cuz we've been able to do that so far.

[00:36:55]You guys all right?

[00:36:59]Pretty chill day at work, huh?

[00:37:02]Right. Right. Just just chilling at work.

[00:37:10]No. Okay. Well, it's cold in here, br. It's cold in here. Must be some demons in the atmosphere.

[00:37:44]It's a passcard. Damn it. Oh, well, one of these popsicles ought to have it.

[00:38:06]Hey. Hey, Jody. You're going to be going in the freezer where the condenser is.

[00:38:11]Your jack your light jacket should be fine.

[00:38:19]I just can't can't get over how stupid the preparation for this is.

[00:38:26]By the way, friends, this is why things like crisis training are so important.

[00:38:32]Like if you ever wonder, you're like, "Oh, come on."

[00:38:36]This is why this is why emergency preparedness is something you you know you have to it's a skill you have to train for. It's why keeping your cool under the heat of adversity is something that has to be taught and practiced because Nathan just panics and brings Jody here and doesn't think at all about this because he's in a state of panic and things are crazy and they're acute and there's time pressure.

[00:39:02]This is why, you know, in the most benign sense, this is why companies put time pressure on you to buy things.

[00:39:12]The the more pressure you put on people, the less they think clearly about stuff, the less they put everything together and make an informed decision. And so Nathan and everybody else being in this panicstricken state being like, "Oh my god, the condenser's messed up and all these people died and maybe Jod's the way because Iden's fought these things before." They don't stop and think about preparedness.

[00:39:32]My brother-in-law's a firefighter. They spend so much time getting ready for how to manage things that are unexpected.

[00:39:41]They they practice emergency preparedness. So if you don't if you don't do that, you make dumb decisions when things get crazy. Unless you get lucky and just happen to make the right decision at the right time.

[00:39:57]This is stuff that gets trained. Like this isn't stuff. People don't just inherently they aren't just inherently great at this stuff.

[00:40:06]So you're seeing Jody be the byproduct of the fact that nobody here apparently was trained properly in emergency preparedness.

[00:40:18]So when people, you know, scoff at drills and seminars and stuff about how to keep yourself safe, how to handle a crisis, you probably don't want to scoff at that.

[00:40:34]Next thing you know, you're a freezy pop on the floor of your work environment, draped over a lathe.

[00:40:52]That's not a lathe, but None of you [ __ ] have the key card to open this. What were you all doing down here?

[00:41:28]Hey, this guy's got a key card on him.

[00:41:31]You won't be needing this anymore, huh?

[00:41:36]Got it. Is >> he going to grab me?

[00:41:42]No.

[00:41:46]>> What's up, guys? All right, here we go.

[00:42:10]I want to know what happens if you fail that. You just run into the window and fall back.

[00:42:14]>> Come on.

[00:42:15]>> Hide it. I need you now.

[00:42:19]>> Open that door.

[00:42:20]>> Boom.

[00:42:21]Sock him in the face.

[00:42:33]I love how they just drop down.

[00:42:34]>> Open. God damn it. Nah.

[00:42:50]All right. So, smoke inhalation, frostbite, hypothermia.

[00:43:02]Blunt force trauma.

[00:43:11]Glad that door opens up easily. God, these are some thick doors.

[00:43:19]Why is it so cold in there but not in here? What happened?

[00:43:33]Wow. Okay. Well, this is no good.

[00:43:55]Hey, you.

[00:44:10]>> There's something going on. The energy level in the condenser is still rising.

[00:44:15]>> It's like Chernobyl. We've got to shut it down now. I can't. I can't.

[00:44:27]3.4 Rockin.

[00:44:49]Oh boy. Uh, epilepsy warning. If you don't do well with flashing lights, you should probably look away.

[00:45:11]He did it. I swear to God if all I have to do is hit a button.

[00:45:22]Passage to the other side.

[00:45:42]Uh-huh.

[00:45:52]>> Oh [ __ ] >> My damn thing won't work.

[00:45:57]>> No [ __ ] Why do you think you're down here?

[00:46:03]>> Another console.

[00:46:06]>> If I can get to it, we might still have a chance. All right, I just have to I just have I just have to say it. This is so cheesy, dude.

[00:46:24]This is so cheesy. Like, I can appreciate how it fits into this. It's like, come on, man. Like, really?

[00:46:31]Really? You come all the way down here and it's like, "Oh [ __ ] there's a second panel that you got to pull the power down on." But we made it incredibly inconvenient to get to. It's up in a cable car.

[00:46:48]Jody, we're going to need you to go in there because you have Iden and you can dodge scientists better, but we're going to need you to hit the power button.

[00:47:02]God in your street clothes.

[00:47:14]I'm sure there's nothing radioactive.

[00:47:16]>> Yeah, sure.

[00:47:17]>> I run. You protect me from the entities.

[00:47:20]Okay.

[00:47:22]>> I mean, I guess I can see why this would be a necessary component of this, but >> let's go.

[00:47:27]>> Oh god.

[00:47:30]Run. Run, Jody.

[00:47:34]Go.

[00:47:36]Could not climb this ladder any slower.

[00:47:39]Holy [ __ ] All right. So, now it makes sense why we need Iden, I guess. But go Jody.

[00:48:02]Come on. Come on.

[00:48:14]You don't need to turn around. Just run and trust Iden.

[00:48:21]What the hell?

[00:48:34]Get up, Jody. Get up.

[00:48:57]>> Oh boy.

[00:48:57]>> The ladder. I'm in. Hurry.

[00:49:02]Oh, thank God.

[00:49:21]Oh [ __ ] We're not going that way. Wait, why are we going this way? All right, whatever.

[00:49:37]>> Don't worry, Jody. I got you.

[00:50:22]I can't see the quick time event. I have no idea what I'm supposed to do there.

[00:50:32]Oh god.

[00:50:44]How does this go?

[00:50:47]Oh god, I'm going to die.

[00:50:53]Oh boy. Oh boy.

[00:51:13]Jody, get up. Oh my god.

[00:51:17]Jesus.

[00:51:19]All right, let's keep it moving. Oh god.

[00:51:22]We got to try it again, I guess.

[00:51:25]Oh, wait. We made it. Okay, go. Go.

[00:51:45]Yeah, it's over. Close it.

[00:51:52]Nope. Didn't work. Maybe it I had the same thought. lazy.

[00:52:40]What if this is this dangerous? Why is somebody not sitting here at like literally any time you touch this? Why are there not like five points of intercepting any kind of failure? Like what is why is this vacated?

[00:52:58]Other than I guess if the demons knew that like where you I'm just imagining the demons sitting on the other side of this rift. They're like, "All right, guys. Uh we've been doing some recon and uh there's two power switches. So next time they run their little experiment, we're going to stack the door. They're not going to expect anything. All right, demon one, you're going to go out. You're going to go to the right. You're going to go through the window.

[00:53:23]You are going to break that lever. Demon number two, you're going to grab that guy by the balls and you're going to throw him out. Get him out of the little backup thing. All right, we've been doing this. This has all led up to this, guys. Jody's getting older. Iden's getting older. It's a little scary. So, we've worked our whole lives for this, boys. Let's go.

[00:54:05]Iden.

[00:54:07]>> Oh no. Did we lose?

[00:54:10]>> Did he get sucked in?

[00:54:12]>> Hiden, are you there?

[00:54:22]>> Oh no. This would be traumatic.

[00:54:32]Oh, don't worry, Jod. I'm here.

[00:54:37]>> I thought I'd lost you.

[00:54:45]There's some crazy [ __ ] we just did, huh?

[00:54:49]Yeah, that would be legitimately traumatic for her because that would that's essentially, you know, your your house is on fire and you go in and you're trying to like save your pet and you see that your childhood stuffed animal that you have slept with for 30 years is on fire in a pile of ashes. And now you are like real distraught because some of your comforts that have been with you consistent reliable for your whole life are gone. That my friends is brutal.

[00:55:23]Same kind of deal as like if she suddenly lost her parent or something like that and she has a good connection with them. Losing a attachment figure is a profoundly disor disorienting thing. So that would have been pretty brutal if we would have lost him. Now, I will say this that it's very important to understand that while it's okay to have a level of reliance on other people and to have your emotional needs uh met by the relationships around you, it is still important for you to develop your own sense of self and esteem and that you can care for yourself, to respond to yourself emotionally well and all these types of things Because there would be there will be a time where people that you rely on will be gone.

[00:56:13]There are times where who you might seek proximity to in times of distress is not available to you and you have to learn to self-regulate. You do need to learn these skills because otherwise you become overly reliant on other people.

[00:56:26]Jod has unfortunately become in a lot of ways overly reliant on Iden. Not to say she has to divorce herself from him completely and ignore him and not use him, but Jod has not really differentiated herself as being a separate entity, no pun intended, from Id. So to lose Iden means to lose part of herself. And that is where things can get a little dangerous. Like I if my wife died tomorrow would be profoundly horrible. I would I would be a mess. I also uh have know that to the extent that I could be I would figure I would be okay and would figure it out. I wouldn't want to. It would be horrible. But I have some level of trust in my own self-reliance and emotional regulation to be able to navigate that even if it's hard. That's something that all of us need to learn how to do. I'm not saying I'd be the best at it. I have no idea what it would actually be like for me if my wife died. But very important to understand where you've put what baskets you put your eggs in. Cuz if you dump a lot of your sense of self and validation and worth into other people and your reliance upon them, it can be very distressing when all of a sudden those wild cards, because people are wild cards, are no longer available to play.

[00:57:50]It's done.

[00:57:51]>> Jody, I should have never sent you there. It's my fault. It's all my fault.

[00:58:00]My god, I was so afraid I lost you.

[00:58:06]>> Don't let them ever do that again.

[00:58:09]>> If they open a passage, there'll be nothing left.

[00:58:39]All right, we won't. Game over. Thanks for playing.

[00:58:53]Ready?

[00:59:01]>> Yeah.

[00:59:03]>> Cold. Okay, I'm recording.

[00:59:05]>> Now, what's interesting about this is there's probably more buy in from her now because she's had the experience where she's seen that she has like a purpose and can intervene in these types of things. And the so her buyin on this stuff is going to be pretty interesting. She's in a vulnerable spot and you would want to be mindful of this. Not to say I don't know. I mean, we're in uncharted territory here, right? Like we're talking about a teenager who can intervene with paranormal activity. This it's not happening tomorrow. So, I I again, I don't have a lot for you on this, but it'll be interesting to see like she's bought in now because she wants to prevent this. I would be curious if her agenda is the same as the United States government. Probably not.

[00:59:50]Now concentrate, Jody.

[00:59:53]Tell me if you feel anything in particular about any of these subjects.

[01:00:06]Nope.

[01:00:08]Picture of a woman, a coin, in a box.

[01:00:12]I mean, there might be a dead cat in that box.

[01:00:22]We won't know until we open the box.

[01:00:32]But am I the observer or is the box the observer?

[01:00:38]If the cat's dead, the cat's dead because theoretically the box is an observing entity. whole thing with this is always fascinating because when people talk about Schroinger's cat, they talk about it as if all of a sudden when it becomes part of human perception, then the cat whatever the cat is becomes what the cat is. But the whole idea is that you sort of influ the the it's influenced by observation. But if the cat's dead, then there are other means of knowing that the cat's dead even if it's not observable by a particular human. So then it just gets into what's is reality only like reality exists even if you are not there to perceive it. So things are things even when you're not looking at it anyway.

[01:01:23]I don't know the box.

[01:01:27]It's in it. Can you see anything Iden?

[01:01:36]I see the same thing you see. I'm impressed by the reflection on this.

[01:01:40]Like very impressed by that from a game. Like that is actually really awesome.

[01:01:54]Yeah. Blow it all in my face, Iden.

[01:01:57]Yeah. Oh god, that's not what I meant. I did really didn't mean that. Thank you, Dad. It's so pretty.

[01:02:05]>> Open it.

[01:02:06]>> Oh, she calls him dad. Oh, >> no.

[01:02:16]Jody, you okay?

[01:02:22]>> Yeah. Yeah, I'm I'm fine.

[01:02:24]>> Did you see something?

[01:02:28]>> I saw a little girl.

[01:02:33]It was her music box.

[01:02:45]>> Yeah, Nathan.

[01:02:49]Okay, I'll tell him. It's >> your daughter.

[01:02:52]>> Nathan, someone named Ryan Clayton is here to see you. He says you know what it's about.

[01:03:02]Yes, I'll be back in a moment.

[01:03:34]Uh, Nathan does some stuff that bothers me.

[01:03:44]This is an example.

[01:04:02]If these items are his I mean the music box I guess technically is maybe the book is maybe the coin is.

[01:04:18]he has something at stake in all of this and that compromises him. When you apply to do research, and we talked about this a few episodes ago, but like when you apply to do research, you have to name in the document you submit to the internal review board any conflicts of interest that you have in the experimental design, in the methods, in the possible results. Like you got to name it. You know, if you're a person who's doing pancreatic cancer research and you're, you know, doing some sort of study on a, you're piloting a new medicinal treatment and your aunt who you're ridiculously close to has the type of cancer that this could treat, you are possibly compromised. Doesn't mean you are necessarily off the experiment. Doesn't mean you won't get approved, but you have to name that. The conflict of interest there is you might stretch some things or fudge some stuff or do some like to try to benefit from it. Like humans generally don't do things unless there is some degree of benefit that they themselves will personally get from it.

[01:05:33]And so it's not about taking that out of things entirely, but it certainly is about acknowledging when it's the case.

[01:05:39]So if part of this is Nathan, you know, okay, we need to test whether Jody can see things, can see sentiment behind inanimate objects.

[01:05:52]Well, if Nathan's putting his personal items out for that, my very first question, if I'm on the institutional review board, is why are you using your own stuff?

[01:06:07]The look on his face when she just said, "I saw a little girl with the box is like he's like, "Oh my god, Laura, you're like talking about I don't know, my daughter. Somebody dead from my pastor. I don't know. Maybe she's at home reading a book right now. I have no idea."

[01:06:25]But he there he's compromised. And what if you're Jod, the thing that's at risk here is what are there things that he's going to do that are going to push you past what your limits of this should be because he has his own personal things to gain from it, no matter how benign.

[01:06:39]These are the types of questions you ask yourself and is why human subjects research is under such intense scrutiny.

[01:06:48]And if you're like, well, come on, Dr. Mick, like you gota you gota you got to go somewhere and he can verify whether what she says is the case.

[01:06:58]That that's sometimes you have to sacrifice research design for the good of the people who are participating in the research.

[01:07:09]Yet are there things that we've learned from studies that were done unethically?

[01:07:14]Absolutely.

[01:07:16]Are there things that we've learned from utter atrocities in history? Yes, there is.

[01:07:26]But the zeitgeist at this point is essentially we're not going to cause harm to people in experimental design on the off chance that what comes from it possibly benefits people down the road. Or if we are going to do that, there better be some damn good justification for it and the informed consent around it better be airtight.

[01:07:51]And does that slow research down? Yes, it does.

[01:07:58]Does it also mean that there's a chance that some of this research is done in a way where it's a bit more replicable, more valid, more reliable? Yeah. But conflict of interest is something that you always have to disclose in these things. And so Nathan's flying a bit close to the sun here on the way that he's doing this by having personal items included on this.

[01:08:21]I'm not saying he shouldn't be doing it, just to be clear. I'm not saying that this is bad, like that this shouldn't be happening at all, that we should be scrapping this and Nathan's a horrible human, a terrible researcher. I mean, we don't have a lot of context for this, but off the rip, I don't love it.

[01:09:05]Do you know this guy who's come to see Nathan?

[01:09:07]>> No idea.

[01:09:15]>> Hasn't Nathan been I don't know. Just like acting kind of strange lately.

[01:09:23]>> He's trying to raise money for the lab at the moment. Maybe he's worried about it. You know how he is.

[01:09:32]>> Do you think he'll be long?

[01:09:34]>> Relax, Princess. He'll be back in a minute.

[01:09:42]>> I hope we don't finish too late. I have tons of homework to do. You know, Nathan's always complaining when I get bad grades. He's always keeping me here when I should be studying.

[01:09:52]>> That's a discussion you'll have to have with him. Princess, >> way to drriangulate yourself, Cole. That a boy. That's not your problem. Take it over, Nathan.

[01:10:08]>> I'm so hungry. When do we get a break?

[01:10:12]>> Yeah, I'm hungry, too. We need to get Nathan out of here for once. Somewhere fancy. I'm sick of cafeteria food.

[01:10:37]Is there even any water in there?

[01:11:05]child.

[01:11:07]My assistant and I are the only family she's got.

[01:11:11]She doesn't have any idea what's out there.

[01:11:15]Look, Dawkins, I see your side of it. All right, I do. But orders are orders, right?

[01:11:23]>> Oh no.

[01:11:24]>> You going to bring her to me or do I have to go and get her?

[01:11:26]>> Oh no.

[01:11:32]Oh no. Hi, I'm Ryan. I'm from the federal government super secret spy agency guy. I got a lot of credentials and I'm here to turn your little experiment/daughter into a military killing machine.

[01:11:51]This got to be what this is. There's no doubt in my mind this dude is here to make her a paranor a paranormal super soldier. No doubt.

[01:12:12]Jody, could you come here, please?

[01:12:21]I want to play with the lights.

[01:12:25]Oh god.

[01:12:27]Oh god.

[01:12:30]I don't want to go with this guy.

[01:12:36]Guy looks like he's going to try to sell me crypto or NFTts.

[01:12:45]>> What's What's going on, Nathan?

[01:12:48]You You look upset.

[01:12:50]>> Jody, this is Ryan Clayton from the CIA.

[01:12:55]>> Oh, boy.

[01:12:55]>> The agency The agency wants you to join their military school program at Camp Perry.

[01:13:05]Ryan's going to take care of you from now on.

[01:13:13]Oh, no. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

[01:13:16]No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

[01:13:19]No. No. No.

[01:13:23]Oh my god.

[01:13:26]Uh, I I mean, I don't I don't totally know what you how you what you do here.

[01:13:33]I mean, look, if you're if you're So, if you're Ryan, you don't care.

[01:13:40]You're Ryan, this is totally impersonal.

[01:13:44]She is She's an object. She's been defined as that. You're probably heavily trained in depersonalization. As a CIA agent, you don't see Jod as a person with wants and needs. You see her as no different than the AR-15 that's going in the I've said AR-15 way too many times tonight.

[01:14:04]You see her as no different than the AR-15 that's going in the hands of the next soldier. She's an object for military and gain and national security.

[01:14:14]So him coming in here, he's useless from an empathic standpoint.

[01:14:20]Which means that if you're Nathan, you got to try at least to run a little interference on this.

[01:14:28]If for no other reason than you say to him, look, dude, you come in here and you tell her she has to go do that. Like if you're saying there's absolutely no choice here, that you're going to shoot her in the face if she says no, then you should know that the second you tell her she has to leave and gets pulled away from me, she's going to lose her mind and she ain't she's not going to work with you.

[01:14:56]Her parents got taken away. She got dropped here. You're going to tell me I'm basically her dad now. You're going to tell me that you're going to take her away from me. At least let me talk to her. At least let me engage her in a way that is maybe going to help her wrap her head around this. But do not come in here and tell me that I got to just drop her off here.

[01:15:22]Now, Nathan is doing unfortunately the same kind of thing that Phil did.

[01:15:28]This is horrible for him.

[01:15:33]horrible.

[01:15:35]He gives a [ __ ] about her. He's been raising her. He has personal investment in this experiment.

[01:15:42]And now he's going to instead of leaning into the emotion of it, engaging the vulnerability, trying to run interference. He's just locking it up.

[01:15:51]All right, Jody. This is Ryan Clayton.

[01:15:54]He's going to take care of you now. He indulges the objectification of Jod.

[01:16:00]as a means to move himself closer to apathy so that he can cope more heavily with the emotional strain that this is going to cause him.

[01:16:14]And you know that Jod's going to hear that and go, "Yeah, okay. Well, here we go again. First my parents, now my next parent. I continue to only have Iden.

[01:16:32]I mean, this is brutal. And there's there's ways that you can navigate this that doesn't have to be entirely impersonal because you're too intolerant of your own emotional experience of it.

[01:16:42]It's one of the issues people run into with grief, too. They get so like I don't want to feel the things I'm feeling that they just shut it all down, make things really impersonal, distance themselves from stuff, and then regret it later because you weren't present because you were, oh no, my feelings are going to feel weird. Like you can be uncomfortable, man. Feel uncomfortable [ __ ] When you do that and become more tolerant of it, you generally make better decisions for yourself and for your interpersonal relationships. So, this is awful that Nathan's going to just drop her off like this.

[01:17:21]And I I get it if he's like, there's not any I can't do anything about this, right? But at least at least have a moment to engage her on this because man, you want to talk about shoving somebody further into all right, I got this. I'll take care of it on my own because I can't trust anybody else. Here you go.

[01:17:45]You have to go with him, Jody, today.

[01:17:49]>> Why?

[01:17:51]>> I don't understand.

[01:17:54]Why me?

[01:17:56]>> This unit belongs to the CIA.

[01:18:01]They've been tracking your case ever since you arrived. They know what you and Aiden can do.

[01:18:09]>> What am I? A toy?

[01:18:12]some kind of a test subject.

[01:18:15]Did you ever just stop and think about what I want?

[01:18:18]>> Jody, I know it's difficult, but you need to understand this is a great opportunity for you.

[01:18:34]I already went over this.

[01:18:38]I already went over this. This isn't how you handle this, man. It's not how you do it. You don't override her. You don't tell her what she needs to understand.

[01:18:47]You don't do any of this stuff.

[01:18:49]This is This is not how you do it. This is Nathan protecting himself. Nathan knows this sucks. And he is. And again, if it is something where there's no choice in the matter, at least share that in her like I I don't want you to go either. I've tried everything I could to not make it happen.

[01:19:05]Uh you know, whatever. I I do something, right? But for him, and this is where he's compromising. This is what's really freaking shitty for Jod, too, is in this situation, Jody is in some ways slave to whatever Nathan's been up to. She doesn't she her parents probably signed the consent form on this and she's had no idea what this is because she's a kid and she doesn't conceptualize this in the same way that everybody else does. So, if Nathan's been compromised this whole time and only been seeing her as, you know, a means to an end or has been doing this knowing full well that at some point she could be militarized and taken away and he hasn't disclosed that to her. Shame on him.

[01:19:50]Like, I am profoundly upset on her behalf.

[01:19:55]I'll be right there with her with how angry I am about this.

[01:20:00]Then notice that he's not saying, you know, Jody, if you don't want to do this, just say no and I'll turn around.

[01:20:07]Nope.

[01:20:10]This is I'm taking this is it's Yeah, it's essentially human trafficking. I I mean, it is. I I It essentially is. She has no say in the matter. She's being moved from one point A to point B. Now, I mean, I guess she could like use Iden to kill both of them right now and be like, "Nope, not doing it." and become her own war machine and go, but that doesn't exactly play out well.

[01:20:46]Too bad. You have this. You were born with it. You're going in. We need you.

[01:20:50]The greater good is more important than your individual needs, man. I just Yeah, Jody, I'll protect you until my boss says I can't and then I won't anymore.

[01:21:11]>> You can tell the CIA to [ __ ] off because I'm not going anywhere.

[01:21:16]>> Jesus. Listen up, Miss Holmes. I don't give a [ __ ] about your pathetic adolescent pouting.

[01:21:22]>> I mean, he's a dick for engaging her this way, but again, I get it because it's impersonal.

[01:21:28]It's impersonal.

[01:21:31]This is and I'm going to tell you right now, man, because this is something that people I think are experiencing more often in their day-to-day life in the last 10 years than they ever have. It is impossible to engage somebody who doesn't see you as a person. It's it's impossible. you you you make no headway anywhere here.

[01:21:53]Especially when that person that sees you as an object has has power.

[01:21:59]Like there's nothing she's going to say, nothing she's going to do that's going to turn him on this. And that is like getting backed into the worst possible corner of all time. Like there's nothing he can he's going to sit here and he's going to say this to her. And he he believes this. He's not like one of the things that I think would go a long way for people in some interpersonal relationships is to understand that like there are times where people are coming from an entirely different perspective on reality than you and are will believe that they are fully justified in however it is they're engaging with you and that using your own sensibilities to try to connect with them and get them to change their mind is not going to work and that's a terrible space to occupy interpersonally.

[01:22:42]I'm not condoning what he's saying. I'm not even excusing it. But it does make sense. This is a completely impersonal thing for him. She means nothing to him beyond what was written on the little document that he had to read before he came all the way out here to take her away.

[01:22:59]Can you feel my distress? Can you feel my distress?

[01:23:04]Yes.

[01:23:08]And I don't even know that she's an adult. I don't even know that she has the ability to like sign off on this.

[01:23:13]Like maybe Nathan's her guardian and he can just sign off on this because that's what it's I mean it's just this is wild.

[01:23:19]Yes. I love you so much. I love you so much, Jack.

[01:23:25]Okay, we're going to do this with a kitty man. He knows what's Oh god, this is brutal.

[01:23:30]All right, you can rant and rave all you want, but you'll shut your mouth and do as you're told.

[01:23:38]Go [ __ ] yourself.

[01:23:41]>> Yeah, that's it. Let's go. Come here.

[01:23:50]>> Yeah, you're >> Stop immediately.

[01:23:53]>> Okay. So here we are going to deck him if I can because in this circumstance what these people now have to understand especially because I'm by myself here these people need to understand is that if you're going to screw with me and you're going to do this there are consequences for doing so. Jody does in some ways like this is the moment where when you're getting human traffic you have the ability to scream in the airport you and kick somebody in the nuts and cause a scene. This is when you do it because otherwise this dude's going to think he can just do whatever he wants.

[01:24:28]The first impression here is is it's like you want to take me, you're gonna treat like if I have no say in this and you're going to put me in handcuffs, then you're going to treat me well because I have the ability to pull this and this is something that I haven't been using on you, but you're going to come in your guns blazing. I'mma take your ass out here. I'm boxed in a corner. I'm going to fight back. So, if we can deck him, I'm decking him. Just so you know, do this for me.

[01:25:12]>> No. Oh, you Oh, buddy. I got to get the blood pressure down here. Oh my god.

[01:25:29]No way. Are you going to leverage?

[01:25:38]Oh man. No. No. No.

[01:25:44]Okay.

[01:25:47]Oh. So, as we do on this channel, we are going to take a second and we're going to empathize with him. We're going to empathize with Nathan. We're going to do it because I think it's important to see both sides of this. It's probably very clear to you that I don't agree with the way he just did this. It's a terrible idea. And we're going to talk about why.

[01:26:12]However, we're going to get into why would he say this? Why would he say that? If all of us watching this are like ready to punch a our fist through a glass pane, why would he have said this?

[01:26:35]He thinks probably that saying do this for me gives her some out because she can say I'm not doing this for somebody that I don't care about.

[01:26:55]It's kind of like him saying, "You have my vote of confidence and do this for me because that's going to drive more meaning. This means something to me. I know what's possible. I have my own agenda. Do it for me because that will feel better for you because I'm assuming that you have the same kind of connection to me that I have for you."

[01:27:21]It doesn't make sense. He's also flooded right now. He's upset. He's not thinking straight.

[01:27:28]As much as we'd love for him to be thinking straight, somebody just came. I mean, if you're a parent, imagine you're the parent of a teenager. Somebody from the CIA shows up and says, "Hey, we're enlisting your child into a super secret confidential thing in the CIA and your kid has to come with us today.

[01:27:51]You got no choice.

[01:27:56]That's going to light your brain up. I don't know very many parents who are going to sit here and go, "Oh, I would totally stay calm. I would totally be of sign sound mind and body. I'd invite them in. Have them sit down at the kitchen table. Have a nice long conversation with them. Engage them rationally. No man, you're going to lose your shit." So, he's losing his [ __ ] but he's also at work. He's compromised in a bunch of ways. So do it for me is the last ditch effort to try to basically cash in all the karma he's built on built in by being a good guardian to her and then offload some of her accountability. Now why is this wrong? Cuz he made it about him. This is it's the worst thing ever to leverage your relationship as a means to guilt trip somebody into doing something they don't want to do because maybe it has a positive impact on you and other people.

[01:28:48]Somehow you want to you want to isolate somebody out. I mean, this is throwing it all out with the kitchen sink.

[01:28:58]Do it for me. She's going to hear is basically, "Fuck you."

[01:29:04]That's how she's going to resp [ __ ] you.

[01:29:06]Are you kidding me? Do this for you. Why would I do this for you when you clearly don't care about me? Because you're not letting me. You're giving me no choice.

[01:29:16]You're just handing me off. You're not even fighting the guy. The guy comes over here and grabs me. You didn't punch him in the face. You just let it happen.

[01:29:24]And then you have the audacity to say, "Do this for me."

[01:29:29]What about me?

[01:29:36]I mean, that I mean, there's a manipulative aspect to that that just doesn't sit right. just why we're all insensed by this. It's totally inappropriate here. Don't ever leverage your the goodwill you've put into a relationship as a means to kick somebody in the ass to do something that's against their sensibilities and possibly even dangerous to them. Do it for me.

[01:30:20]Look at the look at Ryan and go, "Can we have a minute? Can you just leave the room for a second? This obviously sucks and you're not helping. Leave the room.

[01:30:29]You clearly don't care about this [ __ ] Go sit in the lobby." Like, do something for her.

[01:30:35]Do something to show her that you have some degree of advocacy for her.

[01:30:44]Give us 10 minutes. Get out of here.

[01:30:49]He hasn't do any of it, man. So, it's yet another person. This is these are the rubber meets the road moments where you actually have to come through on all the platitudes you've been expressing to her throughout her life. I'll protect you. I'll make sure nothing happens to you. all these things. That all is well and good when she's sitting comfy in her room and everything's fine and you know the only thing you got to worry about is a party. But what about the time when she really needs you?

[01:31:18]No, I'll just hand her off. It's too hard.

[01:31:23]Talk about the way that you're compromised. Right? Send him out of the room and go, "Jody, I'm so compromised here." Right? Like I care deeply about you. I want to protect you. This does not end well at all. And here's why. If we don't do this, they've got us by the balls.

[01:31:40]Here's let me lay this out for you so that you can sort of understand it and put this thing in context. But nope, we're just going to send you out.

[01:31:49]Goodbye. Do it for me. See you later.

[01:31:51]Not going to protect you. We're going to deal with it. And I'm going to let this [ __ ] just sit here and watch all this happen. There's just nothing happening.

[01:31:57]And then Cole's just sitting there. Like both of these people are just sitting here letting this happen. That's the traumatic piece of this by the way.

[01:32:04]Aside from the fact that she's essentially being has no control or influence over this moment, being taken out of here, getting sent off to wherever she's going to go. The real trauma here is I built up trust in these people when everything in my body as a kid told me never do that and then they handed me off.

[01:32:23]So now I have no control and nobody's showing up for me. people that promised me they would. There's no way. She's never gonna want to connect with somebody.

[01:32:35]It's going to take an ungodly amount of effort for her to have any kind of trust in interpersonal relationships.

[01:32:48]>> I'll go get my things.

[01:32:50]>> Yeah. See, there we go.

[01:32:53]She can feel it, too. She ain't going to be able to do nothing about it because nobody's stepping up here.

[01:32:58]>> Only the essentials.

[01:32:59]>> Okay, >> we've got everything you need at Camp Perry.

[01:33:02]>> All right, Hot Shot, you're so cool.

[01:33:08]>> Oh, boy.

[01:33:18]Oh, man.

[01:34:02]Well, you guys don't get to watch this, that's for sure.

[01:34:16]Oh my god, what a mess. Oh god, this is horrible. This is horrible.

[01:34:35]Oh my god. And the fact that they Oh, I just >> It's just such a It's just such a systematic failure, man. The fact that they never even prepared for the her for this. Never even had a conversation. But hey, Jody, just so like you could even plant seeds on this, you know, just so you know, this type of thing, it's be really desirable. There's going to be there might be some times where people want to grab a hold of this and use it for certain things. I mean, the military might have applications like all this kind of stuff. Like you you prep her for this type of thing. Like you're you're gifted in a way that people aren't and this might mean that people want you to be involved in certain things that may have really high degree of importance.

[01:35:25]You give her a chance. Like when you give people some level of preparation for things, you make it part of the conversation, it helps them build a set of expectations so that when a moment like this happens, she might say, "You know what? Yeah, Nathan, we talked about this. We talked about how this might happen." She might engage it differently. This is this is horrific because it's a surprise because nobody nobody engaged her on having realistic expectations around what the implications of this are.

[01:35:58]It's it's just terrible, right? Because now she has no she's no sense of agency in this. Whereas if she had preparation for this, she can exert control on it in the way that she prepares herself for it.

[01:36:12]And you can't expect people to just develop this. That's not how this works, especially at her age. You can't just expect that people are going to connect all the dots in the way that your adult ass brain is doing it.

[01:36:28]And what prevents people from doing this often times is they're worried that the introduction of that conversation is going to inject discomfort. Yeah, it is.

[01:36:42]Yes, it is. Unfortunately, my friends, life includes things that suck.

[01:36:49]Life includes things happening to you that you never asked for. It includes good thing bad things happening to good people includes good things happening to bad people. It includes certain forces being exerted upon you that you have very little influence on counterpressuring.

[01:37:05]That's how life works. So when you avoid conversations because you just don't want to be uncomfy right now, even though there's real utility to those conversations, you're setting yourself up for [ __ ] like this.

[01:37:28]Stuff starts percolating in your relationship that you're worried about.

[01:37:31]You know, I don't want to We had a good day. I don't want to ruin it. You got to talk about this [ __ ] friends. There's never a perfect time for it. It's never a perfect time to let the cold, harsh reality of life uh override your ignorance, but it will happen. And I'm guessing I can't take this stuffed animal, even though I really want to.

[01:38:00]No, I want to take it. No, we're taking it. Get in here.

[01:38:19]Jack certainly not going to take a picture of Nathan Cole.

[01:38:37]Oh, God. This is so horrible. So bad, man.

[01:39:06]I just I genuinely like, oh, Now she doesn't owe them anything.

[01:40:07]And the the shitty thing that sometimes happens here is like you if you're going to subject somebody like this to you're going to violate this. you're going to you're going to violate the trust of this relationship. You're going to throw away a lot of what built up because you duped her and you you didn't inform her on stuff and this was all just whatever. You know, you you don't get to stand here and be sad about what you're doing to her and expect her to make you feel better about it.

[01:40:46]She didn't owe you anything.

[01:40:51]Don't worry. I'm sure you'll be great.

[01:40:59]How about I'm going to miss you.

[01:41:04]This sucks. I hate this.

[01:41:11]Is I mean, is this what you're see?

[01:41:12]Jod's the only one accessing her emotion right now. You're seeing Cole and Nathan just lock it up. We're just going to give you tell you some generic ass [ __ ] about your competency.

[01:41:26]We're going to just feed the objectification so that we can protect ourselves. It's part of the job.

[01:41:34]It's terrible, man. Like she desperately needs some sort of And again, he doesn't need to say, "I'm going to miss you and I'm sad about this because she needs to take care of that." But there's something far more vulnerable and connecting about that shows that it means something.

[01:41:49]This meant something to me, too. Now, they very well may have protocol and rules they're following where they can't do it, but if that's the case, then boy, is this a horrible system. And should it be burnt to the ground, you're going to bring kids in here and then subject them to [ __ ] like this.

[01:42:07]She just basically got conscripted into the military.

[01:42:10]>> The hell out of you, princess. All right, good. We need a little bit of that. It's not going to do much, but that's better.

[01:42:19]I come and see you as soon as I can.

[01:42:23]I'll never let you down.

[01:42:31]I'll never let you down except for like right now.

[01:42:35]>> You know that, don't you, >> buddy?

[01:42:41]Oh no.

[01:42:42]>> I'll always be there for you.

[01:42:43]>> No. This Oh no. So tonedeaf.

[01:42:50]>> Oh, you almost got there, bud.

[01:43:26]It's a terrible note to end on, but that's what we're ending on.

[01:43:31]Can only imagine where this is going to go. I can tell you one thing. I can tell you one thing. I'm gonna be real pissed.

[01:43:38]I'll deal with it because it's Jod's decision, I guess. But I'm gonna be real pissed if Jod and Ryan end up being a thing.

[01:43:47]I'll be real mad about that.

[01:43:53]I can kind of sniff that coming and it doesn't make me happy if that's where that goes.

[01:44:05]You know, maybe they have a good working relationship. Jod untethers herself.

[01:44:10]They get to the CIA, but the whole context through which she meets him makes that all so gross. I don't know that that's going to happen. Don't tell me in the comments if it will. I'm just saying if it does, your boy ain't going to love that. But that's it's terrible, man. We just witnessed awful [ __ ] We went from corny to terrible.

[01:44:32]And again, there's no when I talk about these things, I I just want to be very clear again. There's no perfect way to do this. Like, there's no perfect way to navigate the deep complexities of what life has to offer. I offer, you know, one perspective. I offer my critiques. I talk about how things can go. Instead, my way is not always the best possible way.

[01:44:52]My way is the way that brings deep amounts of attention to development and emotional expression and validation and things that matter very much for humans regardless of context.

[01:45:07]Like this all, you know, I there there's and there's so many things at play here that we don't have access to that we haven't seen. Like I want more context for some of this, but the way that this is all presented, they're doing a lot of this wrong.

[01:45:24]It's a bummer.

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