Food-related hypersensitivities are broadly divided into immune-mediated allergies (like peanut allergy causing anaphylaxis) and non-immune mediated intolerances (like lactose intolerance caused by enzyme deficiency). Food allergies can develop later in life, and while some children outgrow milk and egg allergies, nut allergies tend to persist. Celiac disease is an autoimmune condition triggered by gluten in wheat, rye, and barley that damages the small intestine, requiring strict lifelong gluten avoidance as the only effective treatment. Diagnosis involves blood tests for antibodies and endoscopy with biopsy for celiac disease. Management requires working with specialists, elimination diets, and careful food label reading to avoid cross-contamination.
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Yes, May the 26th, the last day of May.
Then we're headed straight into the summer months. And let me tell you, my apologies. I got a little frog in my throat. Oh, it's going to be a warm summer. I can feel it already. Well, it is Tuesday, which means that it is medical rundown Tuesday. We have our special guests in the studio who join us weekly. um health city Cayman Islands and they always bring interesting and informative topics to the table. So let us go ahead and welcome Mr. Shamari Scott. I believe he's supposed to have some good news for us today. Is it today or next week?
>> Yeah, it was supposed to be today. I have good news and I have bad news. Uh >> oh.
>> So So um well good morning Sandy. Good morning.
>> But definitely the good news is you know we're in the over 40 league. So, so the great news is we didn't lose last week.
So, >> okay, >> that's amazing. Um, >> the unfortunate news is, you know, we didn't get to play. So, >> okay.
>> So, we're still we're still in the semi-finals.
We're still um you know, undefeated in the semi-finals, but we we haven't gotten a chance to play. There was some >> well, you would have seen there was some sporadic rain that would have happened over we play on an outdoor court. Uh >> there's a game that needs to be made up based on it being rained out. So we >> aren't even playing tomorrow. So >> semi-finals has been delayed until next week, Wednesday. Um so >> fingers crossed that tomorrow they get to play that final game and then we'll know who we're playing in the semi-finals and I can give you some good news moving forward. We we we've been making joke jokes in the um in the chat group saying by time we play again it'll be at over 50 league but you know >> they're giving us rest so we can't we can't complain.
>> Yeah, I feel you. All right. Well, um good luck when you when you get to it.
Uh we enjoy, you know, you keeping us up on your physical activity, which is so very very important. Um, I must say that um, the weather does look a little bit ominous, so I'm not so sure about this.
>> Fingers crossed and hoping >> hoping, you know, tomorrow the Wayne the rain holds up and we can actually, you know, the other teams can play so we have somebody to play against. Sandy, question for you.
>> Yes.
>> You know, World Cup is coming up, right?
Mhm.
>> Mhm. Um, does your husband have a team?
>> I don't think so.
>> Oh, I was wondering, you know, >> yeah, he's not uh >> I was going to guess his team would be Brazil, right? But, you know, I was wondering if he actually has a team or not, but >> I mean, Marlin's a little bit funny. Uh, you know, if it's a big event like the Super Bowl, he'll watch it, but I think he watches it just for the commercials.
So, um, I'm not so sure about World Cup.
He's never really demonstrated that he gets into it that much. You know, if if Jamaica was playing now, obviously that would be a different situation. Um, but yeah, I I've never heard him get all that excited about it.
>> Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Well, let's come up shortly. So, my team my team is Brazil, so you you'll be hearing about Brazil shortly when the World Cup starts. When the World >> Yes. Well, we we'll we'll have to talk about it. You know, I keep encouraging people, we need a sports show. Of course, we have the Cayman Islands Football Association. They host their own show, which is, you know, great and interesting, but it would be so good if we had a show just sports generally speaking >> because, you know, there's so much that's happening in the world of sports and of course this time of of um you know, the year and every four years is World Cup time.
>> So, it gets even more interesting. Uh, so if you sitting here listening to the program and you enjoy all things sports, reach out to us because the CMR creatives team is always looking for additional talent. Any kind of show really that you want, we could have a discussion. Remember that CMR radio applications in soon come. So you're going to be on radio and social media as well.
>> And sports is is ongoing throughout the year. So, all these topics and and you might have to change sports every now and then in regards to what you're discussing. But >> yeah, definitely I think that would be an amazing segment. And um because I have a lot of friends that are from Ghana, not Ga Ghana. Um Ghana is my second team. So I've the last time when I went to the World Cup, it was in Brazil. We went to watch the three games that Ghana played with my college friends.
>> So that was very interesting actually being able to experience the World Cup in in Brazil. And now obviously it's in the US, Canada, and Mexico. Um, so hopefully seeing as it's so close, a lot of people will get the option to go watch a game or two.
>> Yeah, it it's such it's so strange cuz someone was saying to me yesterday that, you know, as close as it is, they would have loved to attended, but there's so many other things happening in the world of politics that has kind of discouraged them from going. Um, so that's unfortunate, but anyway, uh, I'm sure a lot of people will be looking forward to at least watching the games, the matches on TV.
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the topic going to be something that people don't realize um they may have when it comes to food allergies especially as we age trust me um now all of a sudden I we we had a conversation it was just on Sunday with some of my friends in regard to what they could eat and drink in their youth and then all of a sudden um they started to have issues and they're finding out that they're allergic to milk and they're allergic to gluten and they or they have an intolerance etc and it was a great conversation. Um but so my mother doesn't get upset with me as always. Um going to introduce Dr. Suril um who is our consultant um gastroenterenterologist and Dr. Suril Alex has is an experienced gastroenterenterologist and integral part and member of our gastroenterenterology team and unit. He's been with us since 2022. So he came to us right on the heels after um COVID and hasn't looked back since. He performs over a thousand procedures annually with a great safety record. Um areas of specialization include ERCP um choline geiocopy uh E US and EU guided drainage as well as advanced endoscopic procedures such as ESD. Um Dr. Alex is also certified in minimally invasive techniques including including endoscopic sleeve gastroplasty ESG and transoral um incisionless funation.
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Um so it is um transoral incisionless uh fundlication TIFF and we offer patients innovative and effective treatment options in all the various gastrointestinal care and we thank Dr. Sirill u for coming on the program and we look forward to having an amazing program with him as well.
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>> Wow, those are some big words Dr. Sirill. All I know is you're an expert.
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That >> Yes. Yes. Yes. They gave you all the hard stuff. I'm just glad it was you and not me. But Dr. Sirill, um obviously your record and uh expertise and experience speaks for itself. So, welcome so much to the program again.
It's it's a pleasure to have you here.
Now, we're talking about a topic that uh quite frankly, I never thought that I would personally have to encounter, but lo and behold, I do because I think my daughter has some sort of a food allergy. We're trying to, you know, narrow it down, but anytime she eats at Chick-fil-A, probably cuz that's just not the best option. But hey, you know, when you go to the States, you crave a little something here and there. But anytime she loves Chick-fil-A, but when she eats there, she gets a rash around her mouth.
Um, so we haven't quite figured it out.
We don't know if it's like the oils that they're using or something else. But for now, uh, she can't really have any Chick-fil-A. So, I feel bad cuz sometimes I will treat myself, um, to Chick-fil-A sandwich and those oh so bad fries. And, uh, she just sits there looking at me with a, you know, a side eye. So let's talk about um food allergies today. This is actually quite a serious conversation because there are people who have a very severe uh response and might need medical intervention. So um what wow food allergies help us understand what this is even.
>> All right. Um so uh let's start with a general term like a food related uh issues you know food related hypersensitivities >> uh of which you know we can broadly divide it into two one would be something that is like a immune mediated like a typical allergy okay and the other one would be a non-immune mediated so I I I'll give you an example for us to just understand these two criterias.
Uh >> one is the typical peanut allergy that we all know about. You know the the skin flares up, reds, you become swollen up, breathless, multiple systems affected, your pressure goes down.
>> That is the immune mediated like the anaphylaxis that is one immune mediated.
Mhm.
>> So food can have nonimmune mediated means the immunity is not there. Imagine the the example would be the lactose intolerance which we hear a lot about.
>> So what is happening in that your body your small intestine does is deficient in an enzyme called as a lactase which breaks down the milk sugar the lactose into absorbable form. So if you are deficient in it the moment you have uh you know significant amount of lactose your body can't break it down you feel bloated uh you feel having you know you that that's not a milk allergy per se milk allergy you can have a different type of a milk allergy especially in pediatric age group kids you can have allergy to cow's milk protein so this is a broad uh uh division wherein you can have an immune mediated allergic response or a non-immune mediated due to deficiencies of enzymes but the manifestation may look more or same. And in between these two spectrums even in that immune mediated you can have lot of delayed response uh delayed allergic response not the typical that acute thing that you see and know you you relate to a peanut allergy you can have a delayed slow response which can manifest over weeks months you know uh the the celiac as you know you know everyone must have heard about celiac it's uh so uh the other rare things you which are coming up something called as eosenofilic gastronitis. These are all food related uh allergies which comes in you know not the typical flared up uh uh anaphylaxis that we usually associate to. So it's a broad spectrum and uh even in that immune mediated which we talked about the food allergies >> it can be mediated through various pathways like the typical IG you know let so it is a broad group and uh there are various ways with which we can test uh know the different types. The easiest one uh to identify and test would be the immediate anaphylaxis. You know, you take it within minutes you just uh uh uh flare up uh uh you become red. Um and uh coming you know it was interesting when you uh talked about your daughter. One of the commonest uh uh uh uh prevalent allergy is something called as a Poland or oral uh uh allergy. So basically oral food allergy is basically it is usually triggered with active the fresh vegetables, the sap, the fresh fruit, the pineapple >> and it is usually affects the oral uh cavity and the moment it goes down into the stomach the acid degrades it and you know you may not see the typical allergic room but it usually manifests in that oral area >> but it usually seen with the fresh uh uh uh vegetables, fresh fruits, the same fruit, the same vegetable if you cook it, you know, >> they may not have anything because cooking, you know, degrades that active component. You know, these are uh uh some some some clues um uh with uh uh this would be the broad uh categorization of uh food related hypersensitivities.
So all food related issues are not allergies. Mhm.
>> Yeah.
>> I see. Wow. Okay. So, interesting. We're going to definitely be learning a lot here today because already I'm like, okay. Um, and let me just ask you a general question. It's possible that someone may not have been allergic to something um and then all of a sudden they are. Does does that ever happen?
>> Yes, abs. Absolutely. You know, that can come up. You know especially you know uh uh uh you can have uh as you age you can have trouble with uh you know uh shellfish shrimp. You were never allergic to shellfish shrimp in the past then as you know or when you eat 50 60 suddenly one fine day uh uh you know you start becoming allergic.
Lactose intolerance. This this can come up uh uh later in life you know. Uh that is another thing you know as you you know as the age goes by you never had an issue with milk milk products then suddenly you start having issues bloating the moment you have milk the possible uh then you know there are certain uh confusing aspects in the sense there could be crosscontamination additives you know these are some of the most confounding things. It may not be the uh the meat or the shrimp, it's the food additives, the monos glutamate. You you never know, you know. So some usually we have we we can have patients who come and say when I cook at home I never have an issue. But when I go out and have this I just feel bad, awful. It could be completely unrelated. It could be the additives, the food coloring agents, the monosodium glutamate uh that you use. Um rarely you know you can have what we call as cross reactivity. For example someone who has allergy to maybe cat fur can have a intolerance to pork you know a meal. So it's completely unrelated but you know that's because of the cross reactivity.
Then yeah uh these are some things yes you can have uh uh things come up later in life. Uh and you can have the other way around also. Uh uh while you uh in children can have issues with cow's milk, eggs, but some most of them you know large percentage can outgrow it.
>> So as they age once they become adult they don't have that initial problem you know. So that the these are some things which can go either ways.
>> Interesting. Okay. All right folks. So clearly something uh you just need to keep an eye on. Um let's talk about some of the more common triggers. Uh you mentioned dairy already. Uh gluten. We hear a lot about gluten. Can you tell us exactly what gluten is?
>> Okay. So basically the gluten is a a protein you know which is more commonly found you know wheat, rye, barley you know uh uh and wheat you know it's it's a component it's a protein component of these uh uh things >> and uh again it can these proteins the glyadin gluten you know these are some proteins in the wheat you can have issues with these is the digestion of these uh proteins.
>> So if you have a genetic predisposition, if you have a genetic predisposition, you have that genetic defect uh uh for celiac and you have gluten, then you >> develop celiac disease. But if you don't have the genetic predisposition but your body is sensitive to uh uh this gluten uh in the wheat, barley, rye, you can have bloating, diarrhea even without having celiac you can have these symptoms.
Now you know so basically these are certain components of wheat uh which uh trigger allergies trigger an immune mediator response in our body.
>> Mhm. And but I understand that the um you know everything now is is marketed as gluten-free but my understanding is the average person isn't really having an issue with gluten. I don't know how it started to get so popular but the percentage of people who actually have um a gluten allergy or even intolerance is is actually quite low. Is that right?
>> Yes. You know like I said you know uh but again I told you you can have components of wheat you know either there are so that's why we have things called as celiac disease >> non-seliac gluten hypersensitivity wherein you know that spectrum of patients will have trouble with all sort of gluten >> and you can have non you know wheat hypers sensitivity wherein other glutens from other you know uh it's not exactly for the gluten it is to another component in the wheat. So they'll only have problem with wheat. So wheat hyper sensitivity. So you know when we try to mix everything together, everyone goes on a gluten-free diet.
Yeah. Because the symptoms more or less will be same. You get bloating, you get gassy, you get fatigue, brain fog, uh you feel tired, uh loose tools. So uh to differentiate between these three uh because these are not like immediate hypersensitivities.
So uh it it is very difficult to prove it based on a blood test. It you know these are what uh confuses the picture.
>> H all right. Um so symptoms may occur immediately or develop gradually over time uh depending on the condition involved. And so do you recommend that people do um sort of any sort of testing to see if they have a food allergy at some point? But or do you just wait until an issue manifests itself? uh I would uh not because you know the dictim the dogma that you know that's generally wrong even if you you do a blood test I told you the blood test the allergy the you know it it it just captures one subset of food related hypersensitivity >> so you can have an issue with uh wheat but the blood testing may not show it you know it's not that you are wrong it's just that we are you know that testing is just covering one part of the food related issues. Uh we are not testing for that. And the main dogma that we prove you know if you are asytomatic if you don't have symptoms if the you know that test you shouldn't go after that test.
>> You should not even if the test shows that you are allergic to that but you are absolutely fine with uh a food a particular food component. Mhm.
>> You may not uh the only difference being uh celiac you know where that is that that is you know uh those conditions are are different but >> you don't need to have a general food allergy testing unless you are symptomatic or you know you have an issue. You don't need to have any testing done.
Yeah.
>> Okay. All right. Um folks don't forget if you have any questions the phone lines are open. 9362626 is telephone number. And um let's talk now about some of the symptoms because um I don't know sometimes you feel like you just have an upset stomach. Is it a food allergy? Is it an upset stomach? So we're going to talk about how you try to figure out, you know, which one it is. I mean I have IBS, so I feel like sometimes certain foods can make that worse or bring on an episode. And then other times it's just like stress or other things kind of impact uh that gastro issue as well. So uh right common symptoms abdominal pain or or cramping, nausea and vomiting, diarrhea or bloating, skin reactions such as itching or hives, uh fatigue, this one's interesting, or unexplained digestive discomfort. And then in more severe allergic reactions, you have what we know uh like the swelling, the breathing difficulties, uh anaphilaxis, and that's where those people will carry things like epipens, and you know, they're normally quite aware of how severe their allergies can be. One of the big ones is the nut allergy. What is it about nuts that make people make human beings more prone to be allergic to nuts? Um so again you know it it's you know it has a geographical uh difference you know some countries uh don't have that much of a prevalent nataly so uh definitely there is a genetic background um but u some areas definitely it doesn't have this much of analogy issues but definitely a genetic background there >> um then you know we all go back to the hypothesis of uh introduction of early allergens because you a child an infants or uh immunity is just developing. So when you start early uh oral feed you know that exclusive breastfeeding six month you know these are all hypothesis you know uh when you introduce certain foods early on >> the immunity the the immune uh uh system which is developing in a child may start taking it as an allergy >> so is that the reason why more uh food allergies are coming up you know we can't explain it just purely based on genetics alone but definitely there is a genetic background uh and it is more severe in these IG that anaphylaxis those tend to remain more or less the same throughout the life but the other minor ones like how I discussed the cows cow's milk allergy or the egg these over years can you know improve disappear so definitely you know there is a lot of interplay between the genetics uh the bacteria flora uh the developing uh immunity of the gut. Uh yeah so very hard to pinpoint once you know but yes uh it it it it is highlighted because of the severity and how common it can you know uh come into the food accidentally uh and since it is like an anaphilaxis the reactions are severe life-threatening >> right and um now I've I've read for quite a number of years that there is some degree of research to show that if you introduce even if there is that genetic component, right? So, one of the parents has a severe food allergy. If you start to introduce the nuts earlier uh in small quantities, you almost develop um a I don't know if you'd call that an immunity, but you you your body isn't going to have that severe allergic reaction. So is there now a methodology that physicians recommend for children where you start to introduce like a little bit of peanut butter when they're a bit younger?
>> You're right on uh that you know that's basically what uh the approach called as a imunotherapy.
So so so actually for uh uh peanuts uh there is a formulation that has been brought out uh wherein it is a protein powder peanut protein powder. uh I can't recollect often the uh preparatory preparation name uh uh sadly the the production is being uh taken off I think from next month onwards I think it's being stopped so what that does is u definitely under uh medical supervision because these allergies I told you these are IG mediated immediate like anaphilaxis which can so usually they go on a small sensitization do you know they Start with a small dose. See how they respond and as the weeks goes by they slowly introduce more of these so that the body starts getting adapting to this dose and those accidental exposures or mineral dose inducing a severe reaction can be taken off. They can they can they they may still get it when they consume you know a big amount but those accidental uh school exposures you know when they are out across contamination those severe anaphylaxis can be taken care of to an extent because they start getting tolerance to >> some amount of nut >> that is basically what we call as the imunotherapy. So again you know some some of these allergies you go to an allergy specialist under their care under their guidance you introduce these things slowly.
>> Wonderful. All right. So we've got Johan in the comment section making trouble as usual. Um just FYI Shamari he's actually not blocked from the comment section. So that's why you see him there. It's not that he's out of jail. Um he just can't call in anymore. Miss Abby says, "I'm no doctor, but it seems like this patient is suffering from brownie withdrawal."
Referring to you.
Adriana says, "Dr. Sarill is my doctor.
Very good doctor. Um, I did the ESG procedure and a lot of my issues have gone. He is a blessing. What is this ESG procedure? What is that?"
>> So, uh, it is basically a a weight loss procedure. Oh, >> okay. So uh it is not a surgery you know it comes in between the surgery and the medication.
>> So you know you don't get those dramatic weight loss uh as surgery but you get that intermediate you know wherein you want to lose some weight but you don't want to go that surgical route. So we try to do it endoscopically uh wherein you don't have any scars or anything but never you know the recovery is just overnight stay that it is uh a balanced between surgery and medication and diet you know somewhere a middle pot. Oh, interesting. Okay. Um, right.
So, let's talk then about this um celiac disease. Something I've heard of, but I don't really know much about it. So, what is it? So uh again coming back to that gluten you know these are components uh uh and most commonly like I mentioned the comp wheat, rye, barley >> the glutens in these when you have a genetic predisposition you have a genetic defect when this component comes through the food it starts inducing an immune response and start attacking to a small intestine predominantly.
So what happens to the small the small intestine basically looks like our coral reefs you know like finger v that's where the maximum absorption everything is absorbed uh in your body all the absorption so these in celiac disease your small bubble starts becoming atrophied it gets damaged then you start having diarrhea iron deficiency you uh because it your your your main absorption site is being damaged >> and uh you start developing and the best treatment is first identifying and diagnosing it and >> strict gluten-free. This is the only one subset uh wherein you say strict gluten-free >> all the others no.
>> Yeah. But so this is strictly because even if there is an accidental cross contamination you know sometimes oils accidental injection the cycle goes through. So the treatment is an absolute avoidance of gluten no other medication is needed. We just need to track that no gluten is getting inferred and with this measure alone small bubble comes backs to absolute normal heals and completely becomes normal >> and you go a normal life. Yeah.
>> Right. Wow. Okay. We've got a caller in the line. Good morning caller. Welcome to the program.
>> Good morning Sanding. Good morning Shamari.
>> Good morning darling. How are you?
Welcome back. But I've been back but long time and I call but I got a call to say a very special good morning to Dr. Serill. I saw him yesterday.
>> Oh nice.
>> Very present. Nice. Good doctor. And I supposed to see him sometime early on in the week. Not with me but with my husband. Good morning Dr. Sirville. How are you this morning?
>> I'm good. I'm good. How are you?
>> You you remember Mr. Billy yesterday?
>> Miss Power. No, >> Mr. Billy.
>> Miss Michelleman. Mr. Billy.
>> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I saw you yesterday. I saw you yesterday. Yes.
Yes. I remember.
>> Yeah. He had to think about it.
>> That's why I called to say a very good morning to you because you're a very nice, pleasant doctor. Very good. And I have no problem with the Health City team. We are like family. Only the the newer people don't know us. But the older people, anytime we come, they welcome us. with open arms. Your family, all the nurses, all the doctors that I met, very good, very I don't have a with with Health City. I give it 2,000%.
I guess if it wasn't for Health City, my husband would not be still living. So, I got good I got good results. I don't care what nobody say. Like I say, some pe doctors can only do so much because some people wait till they're almost ready to kick the bucket. He would say then well doctors are not God's only God. I mean doctors got by knowledge but they can only do so much and no more. So I >> for what I experience you and I've been running at them >> if and I going to four years now >> and I've had no if I see something that I don't like I speak >> but I must they give my husband good care everyone that >> everyone that I was seeing all the everybody and to quite a few doctors so I have no problem >> I I I I rate them 200% not 100 and >> like I I saw Dr. Seville yesterday and I think I'm going to um hopefully I will see him sometime later on in the week.
So I just wanted to give him a very good morning and I thank you Dr. you've done and what you what you're going to be able to do or whatever. So that that's all I have to say.
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>> No problem.
>> I appreciate it. Thank you my dear.
>> Yes ma'am.
>> All right. Have a good day.
>> You too. Okay. All right. Um, thanks so much for that call. We hadn't heard from her in a little while. Um, right. So, ciliac disease, basically, you've said you can get this under control by purely um adjusting your diet and removing gluten exposure completely.
>> Mhm. Okay. And um what are some of the symptoms then of ciliac disease? Like how does someone know if they even have this? Yeah.
>> Is there a test that they take?
>> Uh yes, you know. So, so we we call you know it as a classical celiac wherein you have the typical symptoms. You have gluten, you have the diarrhea, you have the bloating everything.
>> Then there is the non-class in medicine it's never straight. 1 plus 1 is never two. So people can have reflex acid reflex >> fatigue you know the chronic fatigue the brain fog in young children sometimes seizures you know. So pediatric age group you know unexplained seizures they do check for this uh celax so you know uh uh growth uh stunting you know the child is not growing uh then uh anemia iron deficiency like I told you anything related to small bubble small bubble is where all the absorption happening so when you have a diarrhea when you have vitamin deficiencies one after the other uh later in your life you check your blood and you're finding lot of iron deficiency anemia without any blood loss. So these are some of the atypical presentation not a typical presentation and sometimes you can have silent celiac wherein you know you have celiac you don't have absolutely uh any symptoms whatsoever it just comes up when you test it.
>> So it is a blood test usually start with to see whether you have the antibodies against these components. uh in a normal population it will not be positive. Uh so when this antibbody comes up positive uh uh in adults especially we follow it up with an endoscopy and go inside and biopsy the small intestine which will show whether there is an inflammation going on. How does it look? Does it look flat and not like a typical coral finger-like appearance? These are these are how uh this is these are some methods with which we identify and diagnose celiac.
>> H very interesting. All right. Um let's talk then about um why some people can mistaken this food intolerant as just an upset stomach. So like you said, sometimes it's a process of elimination for physicians to try to figure out exactly what's going on. So a lot of these diseases and illnesses can mimic so many other things right.
>> Yes. You know the irritable bowel you know wherein when you are in those flared up space in a time >> anything that you eat will feel like a food trigger.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. So that that these are some of the confusing things you know it it's frustrating both for the treating doctor as well as the patient that you know you can't give a clear-cut answer because you know it the presentation it's it's not very straightforward to because multiple components are involved but yes uh sometimes it can uh in irritable bowel especially when you are in the flared up phase all these things can act as a trigger.
>> Mhm. And I find personally I try to eat very little. Like I try to have bland foods. Um eat as little as possible.
Nothing that's too rich. Um to kind of just settle my stomach back down. Right.
>> Mhm.
All right. Um Oh, this is a big word now. You might have to help us with this one.
>> You know, just just wanted to bring this to the attention because it is not uncommon. uh you know we are earlier maybe four years down the line five years down the line before five years before >> uh we used to read about this and very rarely once in a while we used to come up on this but we seeing more of this sort of an eosnophilic gastronitritis presentation coming up especially on the island that's why we thought we will take up this topic >> so uh basically this is also a type of food allergy But not the immediate type which we discussed initially.
>> This is a slow one.
>> Okay. And the same mediators that mediate the runny nose you know the rashes you know >> the the the cells called as eenofils.
These are normal components of our blood helps in fighting uh these sort of allergies parasites all those things.
But it can go up and lead to something called as a eosinophilic gastroenteritis.
What happens is it could be a food trigger. The common foods like the cow's milk, egg, wheat, some food trigger and the eosenofil counts goes up and start getting deposited in different parts of your gut. It could be the foot pipe. So the presentation could be you can't you know the food gets choked up you can't even have uh you know the normal food it you you you you you are getting choked up you have to bring the food back up so we have patients who you know who have choked on a small corn kernel you know it starts becoming narrow your foot pipe which is a tube starts becoming narrow and you know so these are you know you don't expect to have such a presentation with a simple food you know allergy or a food trigger and this is something that can go on for years and the treat till it's treated and once you start treating the foot pipe and everything goes back to normal. So one of the some of the most common sites is the foot pipe the esophagus wherein it can go into a narrowed state uh you can't swallow you can't eat properly you can have reflex which is not getting responded to the typical acid suppressent medications uh uh you know uh so so this is something that uh we are seeing uh little more than what we were seeing whether this is because of increased awareness among ourselves but definitely we are seeing uh more and more of this.
>> Wow.
So interesting. Okay. So it might mimic um IBS uh food tolerance recurrent digestive infections and you have to get a proper diagnosis I suppose after endoscopy and biopsy.
>> Yes. Yeah.
when when we do the biopsies you know from the foot pipe we all the different parts of the we see the eosenofil numbers are significantly up. So then we know that this is something like eosenophilic entritis and uh that a lot can be done managed with identifying the food and the treatment differs but yeah it this is also a food related issue and nothing you know though it can sound alarming like food not going down the first thing that comes to your mind is is there a growth there but it can be as simple as a food allergen which is triggering this event and you identify it retreated, you go back to normal.
>> Mhm.
Fantastic. All right. Very, very good.
Wow. Learning again so much here. I feel like these segments are like sip and learn with Health City. You sip on your morning coffee or your morning tea and uh you learn so much information. So, who are um considered high-risk individuals now for food allergies? Uh we have a whole list here. It does run in families. So that much we know, right? So if you have a parent uh who has a food allergy, the chances of your children developing the same food allergy or just any food allergy in general?
>> In general, it could be a you know a generalized allergic predisposition.
That is what I would put it as >> possible.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. And then persons with asthma and eczema really >> again you know the eosinophils you know these these are mediators. So your asthma eczema could be driven by the same component triggers.
>> It could be the food trigger which is driving the uh the eczema. Uh so you can have even the celiac disease can have skin manifestations >> and you cut off wheat and the gluten everything goes back.
>> Yes. you know so again the eosenophilic anditis we can have recurrent rashes coming up so uh these could all be a common trigger >> but manifested in different systems the respiratory system the skin the gut >> so it could be just the different manifestation of the same problem manifesting in different ways all right excellent um so and then persons with um auto im autoimmune immune conditions and uh persons with underlying gastrointestinal disease as well.
Yes. Uh what sort of autoimmune conditions typically uh do you see go hand in hand with food allergies? Um so when you have uh celiac disease type 1 DM >> there is a close correlation >> when you know so uh the the the not the type 2 DM the type 1 DMitis the celiac disease >> you know you can have you know the thyroid the autoimmune thyroiditis vitiligo >> the you know the these are uh some things that we try to correlate between you know when you have one we try to search for the other.
>> Yeah.
>> I see. Okay. All right. Very good. All right. So um sometimes we just live with our allergies. We might take a little antihistamine or you know uh something else for the the rash as we do with my daughter. It doesn't seem to be that severe. So she'll just complain about itchiness like around her mouth. and you do see it kind of change the um coloration around the mouth and we give her a little something and then you know a couple days later she's fine. It kind of settles down. But there are some people who um having a food allergy is a life or death uh situation for them or much more serious. So let's talk about now what you should be looking for. How do you know it's really gotten to that stage where it's serious? We've got a list of things here. So persistent or worsening symptoms. Uh that's an indication that you should seek medical attention. Um doc unexplained weight loss.
Yes, people don't normally just lose weight for no reason, right? So we wish but that can be an indication that there's some underlying issue that's going on there.
>> So this is where sometimes you know in my clinic uh uh I am happy but the patient is not happy. I'm happy when they say I'm not losing weight but they are not happy.
>> Mhm. Uh difficulty swallowing because again um anything difficulty swallowing or breathing that would sort of um I guess be an anaphylactic situation.
Right. So can you explain to our listeners who might not know what this term anaphylactic means? Uh what is that?
Basically it is like how we said the uh severe allergic response. Your body mounts a a severe reaction to a particular component. Mhm.
>> Um you can have manifestations in the skin wherein you develop hives and you know you can have manifestations in your upper airway cavity wherein the whole area starts swelling up >> and you the the the breathing tubes the vocal cords all these areas can also uh uh starts getting swollen up cutting off your brea uh know the breath. So that is a life-threatening emergency wherein you take the epipen or you know identifi you know go to the you know the triage uh uh immediately. Uh so that is the acute uh swallowing difficulty wherein you know the other swallowing difficulty is the chronic one which we discussed with with regards to the eosnophilic isophaditis when because of the allergy >> you get choking episodes. You are not able to eat and swallow things that earlier you could easily do. You choke on a meat piece. You choke on bread. You choke on fruits. uh you know such scenarios are uh uh something that we need to address because normal food intolerances uh uh should not cause that.
>> Mhm.
>> Okay. All right folks. Um and uh any recurrent symptoms linked to foods?
Sometimes it's hard to pick up on patterns uh when you eat certain things, but you know um again I noticed that sometimes dairy doesn't really like me that much. So, you know, I try to stay away from the ice creams and creamy creamy super creamy things. Um, so yeah, pay attention to those. Perhaps have them in smaller quantities. And uh let's talk now about the treatment and management uh and what you can do with your physician. Dr. Serial is obviously here to assist you to figure out a program that would work.
>> Yeah. So uh the the the IG ones you know the the immediate allergies those can be easily tested on the blood uh you know and you see whether they are up or not the the celiac we can test the eosnophilic we can test the in between ones the intolerances uh these are the ones with uh uh you know we'll have to work with the uh help of an expert dietician wherein they put you on an elimination diet. They eliminate all the suspected ones. Then four to six weeks they try to take you off all the suspected uh food triggers.
Then they slowly start introducing a component. See whether the you know uh whether your symptoms are recurring or not. So this is what we call as an elimination diet and reintroducing it challenging it uh oral challenging with the same trigger. So it is a slow uh process because some of these things may not come up on the blood testing >> you know it may not come up on the sk skin prick testing you know you will have to do something like a patch test you know different types of test but most commonly you try to eliminate it reintroduce it slowly you know it's it's a a task that needs lot of patience lot of back and forth uh under a trained dietician. Yes.
>> And like how we mentioned the enzyme deficiencies that is something that can be diagnosed on small bubble biopsies, breath test, all those things. Yes.
>> But uh uh identification yes most of the time uh the patients gives us the answer that I know this is what is the suspect thing. uh and the food diary uh trying to see when you are having the symptoms go back 2 3 days think what is it you know and then you start developing a pattern uh if you can identify a pattern one interesting thing uh uh you know I I'll just put it here >> something called as food dependent uh uh exercise induced anaphylaxis wherein >> you get all these rashes articaria all those things when you exercise. So this is food dependent in the sense that you have a particular food and if you exercise within three four hours you get this >> you know so so these these are these can only be diagnosed when the patients comes to us saying I know my symptoms comes when I exercise >> then you go back and see okay do you recollect having weed or do you recollect having these things you know three four hours in that time period So it is like a small detective thing but usually the patient gives the answer most of the time. We just need to keep our minds open for things. Yes.
>> Okay. All right. Very good. Thank you so much for that. And um prevention and dietary awareness tips. So this certainly requires you reading the food labels which you know probably any um dietician nutritionist would recommend that you do anyway. um for other health reasons because there's just so much in the products that we purchase and that we consume that we often times don't know. You know, I keep uh you know, trying to encourage my 9-year-old, let's see what's in it. You know, let's read just for fun. Let's read the labels. And when we see the first four items are all a form of sugar, I'm like, yeah, we should probably put that back on the shelf because it's just shocking uh sometimes what you find is in your food.
So reading food labels important obviously for people who have um allergies and just general dietary awareness and um being aware of hidden ingredients and crosscontamination.
So you know sometimes they'll have a little warning on there when you go into certain restaurants. Um this is not a peanutree factory. There may be nuts um in there. So again, for people who have severe allergies, they should be uh very much aware of that. We've had a couple high-profile cases in the last couple years with American um celebrities where they were given something to eat and didn't realize that, you know, they were nuts in there and unfortunately they lost their lives as a result of it. Um how careful do people need to be if they have that severe of an allergy?
It's very you know challenging you know especially you know when you use oils are some of the common culprits that patients report you know even the oil which is labeled as something they can always be adulteration you know at different stages it may not be at the a user stage it could be at the manufacturing stage it's these are some challenges definitely uh uh this is a world that we live definitely adulteration uh improper uh we you know sometimes as simple as using the same utensils.
>> Mhm.
>> Uh we we had a case wherein in an office someone heated in the microwave and the next person who came in it it's as simple as that. You know you can never be 100% foolproof on this. Accidents will happen.
>> Wow. But uh knowing how severely allergic you are to a particular item carrying you know the epipens all those things. Yes. But never be foolproof sadly.
>> H oh my goodness I hadn't thought about even microwave use. Um >> these are all rare you know rare but definitely you know worth mentioning uh because when when it when we hear it we always say is that even possible? But then when you go back, yes, it's possible.
>> So, you know, it's always a learning experience for us also.
>> Right. Okay. All right. So, crosscontamination. Um, introduce dietary changes under medical supervision where appropriate and avoid self diagnosing. This is a thing I think we all do. Um, restrictive diets without evaluation. This is where you want to see a physician to try to narrow down exactly what's going on because you might be um making your situation worse, doc. I can imagine.
>> Yeah. If you're trying to self diagnose, >> yeah, you're taking out, you know, my main worry is in children when we try to, you know, restrict a lot of things assuming that this is the culprit. You take off milk, you take off egg, you know, what are they left with? They they're not getting the sufficient protein. They're not getting their vitamins. They're not getting their fruits. uh we we take off everything and try to put them on a restrictive. So uh such uh restriction should usually be taken under the guidance of a pediatric or an allergic specialist or a dietician. So then you have a structured plan on what to do quad for you know the the cow's milk I mentioned you start having you issues while you're a child >> but you can definitely re-evaluate later in your years you know whether you're still allergic to that whether you can tolerate a glass of milk >> uh all those yeah so lifelong avoidance based on >> self diagnosing yeah um let me ask you a question about milk and I see isle 2025 is in the comment section that says uh just tuning in apologies I think I'm lactose intolerant can I get the testing done at health city and what's the estimated cost so how do you test for lactose intolerance >> so uh different types of tests are there um >> something we can have indirect test like breath test >> or if you want to have a specific testing done so these are enzymes which are there in the small intest time.
>> So you can do an endoscopy, you know, take biopsies and check for the specific enzyme.
>> Okay.
>> Deficient. Yeah, we know you are deficient. But the other way would be uh uh checking for blood test.
You know, these can also show us whether there is a rise in glucose levels, blood test or whether there is a rise in your, you know, uh when it is not absorbed properly, your hydrogen goes up. These are breath test. These are markers very which show us that yes you probably have a uh lactase deficiency. But the specific one would be uh the biopsy from the small bubble which can uh give us an answer whether you are deficient in that or not.
>> Mhm.
>> Okay. And um is 2025 saying that that would like a full allergy workup. Um sometimes not a bad idea. I did a few um well I was having sinus issues but I did one a couple years ago where they did the skin test for environmental allergies and then um and that that can pick up in some food allergies and stuff as well. So typically speaking um no food allergies for me but um thankfully but definitely uh quite a a few environmental things like I think most people allergic to dustmite like nobody likes dust mites and stuff like this right and some pet dander and so forth but um folks contact city 6440440 is the telephone number you can always email them at [email protected] KY. And of course, their website has a list of all of their um experts, healthcity.ky, and you can um get the app, which I've downloaded, but have yet to use. Don't tell Shamari. And and so you can um book appointments and stuff right from the app as well. So, is 2025 says, "I get very sick when I eat pretty much anything, and ice cream is my favorite food." So, sorry. with milk ice cream, I feel the worst. Um yikes.
So maybe you need to definitely go in and see Dr. Cerill and see if they can't get you get you sorted out. Um is there a medication that that I know you can do obviously uh things that have no lactose in it, but can you also have a medication that allows you to tolerate the lactose so you can enjoy your favorite ice cream every once in a while?
You know these these enzymes uh uh are available you know there are the not only for lactase there are other enzymes like maltise uh sucra which break down basically carbohydrates uh so there are pills available readymade enzymes uh uh some brands called simile a lot of brands basically these are enzymes which comes uh as a capsule form which you can take.
>> Mhm. Mhm. Okay. All right. Wonderful.
But go see Dr. Sero Isle 2025 and see um exactly what is going on with you. Um does your body, this is just a curiosity question, but um I'm not a big milk lover, so this is really weird. I mean, I love cheeses and obviously everybody loves ice cream, but I don't actually hardly ever have a desire to drink milk.
And I've always wondered if that is somehow tied into maybe I don't tolerate milk that well and I just don't care to have it. Um every once in a while, you know, you have the right like if you have a nice brownie, you feel like hm brownie and milk perfect combination. So I might have a little bit of milk to wash down the brownie but you know we could have milk here for months and I don't touch milk directly. obviously, you know, dairies and a lot of other things, but is that an indication that maybe there's something going on there with me and milk, or is it just that, you know, sometimes you just don't like a particular food all that much? Um, or does your body tend to respond in a way that it will almost um have you not desire a particular thing if it if it's giving you some issues?
>> Possible. you know, the avoidance uh method. You know, you your body tries to avoid something that it knows subconsciously.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I've always kind of wondered why I don't really care for milk. Like I don't I don't crave milk. You know, some people like, "Oh man, I could have a good cold glass of milk right about now." And my daughter would she would drink milk every single day if she could cuz she loves milk. But yeah. All right.
Well, Dr. Serial folks uh in the studio with us today talk about food allergies.
Obviously, we covered quite a bit of ground. Shamari, do you or anyone in your immediate family have food allergies?
>> Yes. Yes. Yes. My my my wife has some allergies. Um >> Okay.
>> She can only have 2% milk. Um there's there as well and I I think I need to book her in for Dr. El cuz she has been um complaining for quite a while and she keeps trying new things and same thing removing things from the diet and then sometimes it comes back up and her ears itch and she makes that good old okay mana noise where they scratch their throat >> that I can't even do.
>> I I know neither can I and it bothers me so much when people do it. I'm like but no definitely. So, um, luckily, um, I think Isaiah probably grew out of his intolerance when he was younger. He couldn't have cow's milk and even when he was coming off the breast, we had to figure out, for some reason, goat milk was the only thing that he could actually drink. And then eventually, so he doesn't really like dairy, but we don't know it because, you know, from a young age, he didn't really have it because he couldn't keep it down.
But even things that you would think like mac and cheese and whatnot, he's like >> he doesn't want that, right? So, he likes >> solid breads and whatnot, but anything milky, even cereal, he doesn't he doesn't like cereal. Um, but we don't see any reaction. We just think he doesn't >> he probably associates it with what would have happened previously. But yes, um at least two people in in my immediate family have >> some issues that definitely need to give a visit to Dr. >> Sero.
All right. Wonderful. And of course, you know, I've known people um I was fortunate we don't have anyone. Like I said, well, being allergic to Chick-fil-A is not that big of a deal because um we don't even have one here.
So, it's only when we travel and she feels like, "Oh, mom, can I get some Chick-fil-A nuggets?" Um, but yeah, you know, we don't have any other allergies that we're really aware of. And but I know people, you know, sometimes kids in her school, they have severe allergies and if you you're sending, you know, goodies for the kids to celebrate birthdays, whatever, they're like, "No nuts." And I'm always so paranoid. I'm like, "Oh my god, I don't want to take any responsibility for there accidentally being, you know, uh, nut oil or something in there." Um so you know reach out to Dr. Sirill obviously if your kids do have um or presenting symptoms of of you know continuous or more severe allergies. Parents and adults as well sometimes we try to live with a situation but you don't have to live in discomfort or pain. That's what the physicians are there for to try to um you know give you some resolution to these problems.
>> Definitely. Thank you.
>> Wonderful. Yes. Thank you so much. All right. So that's Dr. Serial and um Shamari who as Johan said earlier is not a doctor but he knows so much and he can pronounce a lot of the big words. We feel like he's doctor adjacent.
Have a great day.
>> See you next week.
>> All right. Thank you so much. Okay. So that was interesting. Live Happy says, "I don't drink milk either. As humans, we should not drink milk. Milk is for calf, not even cow's milk. So why should we?" Well, I don't know about that. Um why would you say that we shouldn't drink milk? I mean, don't you eat turtle? Are you trying to say you shouldn't eat turtle either? You shouldn't eat kunk. I mean, there's lots of things that are, you know, human beings have adapted them as part of your diet, right? Um, so I guess you could say that probably about anything really.
Uh, you know, any any form of of milk, but milk has, you know, I think it's an easy form of um of certain nutrients for human beings. So yeah, I mean as a baby comes out they're getting human milk and then sometimes they can't for whatever reason get that and so you have other milk alternatives for them.
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Wonderful.
So, yesterday's show, what a hot mess.
Um, you know, I had to uh cover some ground uh dealing with you guys know who and um yes, I'm a woman of my word. So, oops, just adjusting going to sit for the rest of the show. Did the first hour and a bit without my chair. So, um you know, I'm a woman of my word. So, I made some comments yesterday in terms of what my actions would be legally and what I would be doing. So all of you can rest assured that that situation is uh well underway and we should make some significant progress today in terms of getting the documentation filed and then getting her served because she is in Cayman Brack. So we don't fool around with certain things around here. And um those of you who reached out with additional information, I do appreciate you doing so as well. Thank you very very much. and I'll keep you guys updated and ab breast uh as we go through this unfortunate but necessary um you know situation.
All righty.
So, we're going to talk about a few things that have been happening in the community. Um it was really I didn't get to touch on this yesterday cuz I I wasted time having to not wasted but having to deal with that particular situation. And so there's a few other things now that I do want to talk about.
Uh the fatal stabbing in West Bay, which Saturday morning we became aware unfortunately that Mr. Kenneth Christian had passed away. I was really really shocked and surprised by this. I'm going to tell you the truth. Um I didn't expect it. you know, I knew that his injuries were serious and I know I kind of like when I reflected on what my initial thoughts were and what I actually said about it, if you guys were listening to the program, you'll remember um that I actually said that, you know, at a particular age um it becomes difficult for your body to sustain any sort of trauma. And I suppose that, you know, in the moment my mind was thinking about this, receiving, you know, a stabbing um in the head, in the neck region, you know, injuries to his ears, uh his ear.
Yeah. Your your body at 25 versus your body at 70some responding to this is very very different. So, um he had sent a message by way of someone for me. He was 78 years old, by the way, and he had sent a message on Friday. He had come out of surgery and he was obviously feeling a lot better. And he sent a message essentially saying that I could um stop by and chat with him and visit him. And I wanted to do that. And I was actually planning on doing it sometime on Saturday because I was going to um Austin, Texas on Sunday. So, I knew that Sunday my whole day would be, you know, focused on on that trip.
And when I woke up to messages that said that Mr. um Kenneth had passed away, I I honestly couldn't believe it. I was just like, "What?" So, first of all, let me extend my condolences um to his family.
This has had to have been such a horrific ordeal for them. Um wow, just unbelievable, quite frankly. And now the police have indicated yesterday that they have um the butcher who is uh Drayson Watson is his name. Um he has been uh arrested and charged. Now so far he's only charged with wounded and there were some people messaging me yesterday who weren't quite understanding this. So, I think that maybe it's worth um spending a little bit of time explaining how this works and probably why the the only charge at this point is that particular one. So, uh they did indicate in their press statement that the they're waiting on the um coroner's report before they then proceed with any additional charges. So, you know, one of the things with the RCIPs is a lot of times they are often accused of uh, you know, rushing to judgment, so to speak. So, I kind of feel like in this case they want to take their time so that that's not going to be one of the arguments that the defense is going to lay. And um I suppose it's possible uh although it would be somewhat of a rare situation, but it is possible for someone to be involved in an incident like this, but then that not be the cause of death.
Right? So the medical professionals, the police are not in a position to say what the cause of death was. the medical professionals have to indicate what the cause of death actually was. Um I understand again and I think what makes this a little bit more challenging is that he had his initial surgery and then he appeared to be okay and then he died after that. So you know this is where law and medicine intertwined things get a little bit tricky um because you know was it like his body was under so much stress that it led to heart attack and you know but there is a principle in law that you take your um your victim as you find them. So, for example, if you attack an elderly victim with pre-existing conditions, uh the legal system is not going to excuse you from a murder charge because you didn't know that that person had pre-existing conditions. The position that the law has taken um criminal law is that, you know, you take your victim as you find them because you should not have been stabbing the victim in the first place.
You should not have been, you know, robbing the victim or whatever it was that led um to their death. So, that's one thing.
But there are other possibilities.
Someone just said, you know, he could have died because of the HSA. I mean, yes, you cannot um jump to an immediate conclusion. Um Oh, poor thing. Yeah, you cannot jump to an immediate conclusion in terms of the cause of death. The the medical people have to tell you that. So they will now undergo I mean I understood that it was um in some sort of internal bleeding that occurred. But you know what if he had an ulcer that had nothing to do with this and it was just a coincidence in timing. So make them go through the process because I can tell you what lawyers think of everything when they are mounting a defense and so it is important that the case is as tight as possible. um you know it could mean the difference between charging someone with a murder charge versus a manslaughter charge and different things that you would have to prove that actually occurred. So someone just mentioned that his leg was also broken and that he went through a lot that day. What I do know um is that this whole thing is just incredibly unfortunate. We have here now two Kmanions. Uh the first one is um you know obviously Mr. Kenneth known as the medicine man. A lot of people knew him in the community. And the other guy now here is this Drayson Watson also known in the community. Um and so two companions involved in this situation which is really really unfortunate. So Drayson Watson is 47 years old and he was initially arrested for murder on May the 23rd following a wounding incident that occurred on Wednesday, May the 20th. Well, that doesn't make any sense.
Uh he now faces four charges. I got to double check that. wounding, wounding with intent, possession of an offensive weapon, and um possession of prohibited weapon.
So, I see what they did. Okay. So, they have um they initially arrested him. So, you know, when they arrest you, they arrest you on suspicion of something, right? So, they did that, but they only at this time have charged him with four things. was wounding, wounding with intent, possession of offensive weapon, and possession of a prohibited weapon.
And they say that um the charges remain preliminary pending the outcome of a post postmortem examination of the deceased. So once they determine his cause of death and if it was in any way connected to the stabbing incident, yes, the charges will then be um upgraded, if you will. Um, so yeah.
All right. So, um, it's it's just really unfortunate. I mean, you know, I I'm hearing all sorts of things on both sides of the spectrum here. Um, I have seen, uh, video footage, which I'm not really going to share with you guys, um, of the incident.
Um and so you know I think that both individuals did things that um escalated this and this is this is why I want to say something here right sometimes you just have to know when to walk away from trouble you know that know what we say here on the show sometimes um don't trouble trouble or trouble don't trouble you right there is a sense that This could have been completely avoided.
Um, Mr. Kenneth did pull something, you know, uh, in this agitated argument.
Dson could have just kept walking and walked away. Uh, he decided not to. So, there's so many intricate elements to this that make this, I think, very, very unfortunate. I think that when you pull something on someone in a moment like this, it is considered a weapon. whether it is a piece of wood or whether it's a machete or whatever. And then you have to know that not everyone is going to respond to uh that by just walking away, you know. So, um sometimes uh we have to just be careful the arguments that we find ourselves in, the situations. Uh to lose your life over some argument over turtle meat is just wild and crazy. Now, I do understand that Mr. Kenneth, he was feeling so good on Friday. Apparently, he put some kind of post on social media. It was not uh Facebook friends with him, but someone did mention it to me that he posted up something. And there might have been some argument there, some accusation that Dson was somehow um profiting from the sale of the turtle meat or selling it in the side or some some mixed up story. What I do want to say to the Cayman Islands Turtle Center, I feel like this is a warning to the board and um the management at the turtle center because I understand that recently they changed how you get your turtle. So, it used to be a situation where you called in um No, you called you called in and ordered or is it the other way around?
Somebody helps me who buys turtle. Um I think no I think you had to show up or something now you call in and reserve it but anyway they've changed it and so um because there was some people who I think were seemingly getting preferential treatment with their turtle and then there was like infighting with that but they were changing it to have it where the butchers were not setting turtle aside for people you know it's kind of more on a first come first- serve basis. However it seems like that is still happening. people are still kind of doing it probably under the table like give me a little $25 and I'm going to still you still call me you still what's me and I'm going to set it aside. So I do think that the turtle farm needs to have very very firm procedures. Whatever your ordering process is, you need to have firm procedures in place so that people are not there fighting over turtle meat. I mean that's just crazy. Like what the heck, right? It's certainly not worth uh someone losing their life over this.
Now, someone has basically died on turtle farm property because of foolishness over turtle meat. I you know, I like turtle meat. I suppose probably not as much as some Kadins cuz I don't really eat it that often and I only eat lean meat, you know, but every once in a while I'll eat some turtle.
Um, I understand it's her national dish and I know some of you are very very protective of that as our national dish and you feel like you have a right to to eat turtle. You know, would I feel bad if they said, "Listen, not that we're going to ban it completely, but we're going to reduce the amount of um because even the farming of the turtles is an issue because some of them are, you know, in those not the biggest containers in the world. They've been hit by diseases over the years. They've had all sorts of issues. I get the reason why we do it because we're trying to um to curtail and cut out the poaching potential, right? So I I understand obviously the issue of farming the reason why we farm them and make them available for sale, but the turtle center uh as it's now called previously the turtle farm also uh you should know sells that turtle meat at a loss because it costs a lot to get those turtles to adulthood where they are available for slaughtering. So, in fact, it is a um, you know, a a delicacy to be able to eat turtle meat. And every single one of us, every single Friday, y'all be out here like, I need my Friday turtle meat.
Yeah, I want my Tuesday turtle meat.
Like, you want turtle meat every day of the week. And so, I think at some point we need to have an honest conversation about how, yes, you know, we're encouraging people. We don't want people poaching them. But the truth of the matter is we are actually um you know impacting negatively impacting the turtles even by eating them ourselves.
And so do we at some point have to make a decision of you know maybe as Caymanians our traditional turtle dish no longer can be eaten. I my mind goes back to when I traveled to the Galapagos, right? And there are things that you can say uh historically that we have done. Oh, but Sandy this is our history and we have done this for for forever hundreds of years came out you know we had tartlers and whatever and I hear you but I also know that things have changed uh over the years and so yes you know we we want to do all sorts of things because we just get used to doing them and that's you know we want to continue to do them. But what I also know, folks, is that our desire to continue to do something just because we've always done it uh is hurting the environment, hurting mother nature. And so perhaps it is time that we reflected on our behavior and made some decisions um about, you know, is this in the best interest of uh the turtles themselves?
I I know it's hard and like I said, this was making me reflect on um when we went to uh Ecuador, there was one section with the indigenous people where they were showing us how they make these instruments, right? These um they're kind of like little wind flute looking things looking instruments. I forget the proper name for them. And so historically through passed down from one generation to the next, they actually um you know show you how they make it, right? So the lady who was demonstrating, she learned the craft from her father who learned it from you know his parents, his father and it goes on from one to the next. But they showed us something which I thought was very very interesting and that is at one point they used to make some of these instruments. I'm just trying to see if I can find a picture here quickly to show you. They used to make um one of these instruments from the backs of um oh lord what is this animal called again?
The um armadillo. Yes. So, they used to make them from armadillo shell and they actually have an armadillo up on the wall uh when we were there. So, of course, I took a picture of it. I'm like, "Oh, wow."
And they said, "No, now that's outlawed." So, they're not permitted to do that anymore. And um yes, here it is.
I'm going to show you guys this little armadillo.
Okay, hold on.
And so I was like, "Really?" And they said, "Yeah, for hundreds of year, probably thousands of years. Uh that is how they made the instruments from little armadillo shells and whatever.
And you know they realized that they were actually um you know making them extinct like they were hunting them to extinction in order to make instruments. And so sometimes we're doing the exact same thing for food, you know, like, oh, we got to have that turtle meat, but we are actually um, you know, here's a picture. Here's a lumbard on the wall that they had on display.
Uh, but we are actually um doing more harm to the environment than not. So this little guy was used to make these instruments that you see that are surrounding him. And now he is just a display on the wall. Here's a picture of how they would use the armadillo parts um as decorative pieces on the instruments. And so now it's it's illegal for them to do that. And um you know, I can only tell you that during the lady's presentation, she explained to us that they no longer use it because it is it is against the law. And they understand why because the armadillos were just completely disappearing. So these are the little wind instruments. I forget the proper name for them, but it was such an interesting demonstration that we had um in relation to these. I bought one little instrument for Gigi that you have to put water in it in order for it to work. It's like the cutest little thing. Um but you know, these people still have uh they found alternative materials. They found alternative ways of doing things. Even when we went to there was another indigenous trip where we had um they were making like an alcoholic beverage, right, that they use like at weddings and celebrations and stuff like that.
And so when they were talking about how they ferment it and how they make it, at one time they actually used to put here she is showing you how the instruments are made with the different types of, you know, wood and how they make the holes differently and whatever depending on the sound that they're going for. Um but yeah, you know, when they were talking about they used to put saliva in this thing to to ferment and to drink and then of course after a big outbreak of something like CO, they're like, "Oh yeah, we can't really use saliva anymore because obviously we know that saliva carries um you know, a person's spit can carry all sorts of things. Ebola, COVID, all sorts of diseases. So traditionally that may have been the way of doing it but now they know better right. So when we know better I think we got to do better.
>> Mhm.
And all I'm saying is it is worth considering um how we are impacting the environment uh our over fishing of of the oceans. Lobsters used to be, you know, when we hear about our forefathers talking about they didn't have to go out, no boat to go no diving for lobster, like they put their hand in the ocean. It was basically there for them to grab. That is no longer the case. So the negative impact that humans are having on the environment, I think is a consideration at all levels that we sincerely need to think about and how does that impact the decisions that we're going to make. I think there's a lot of tough decisions when it comes to sustainability.
that we do need to consider if we want to have turtles around in the environment for um you know future generations to even know what a turtle is. Maybe we really need to think closely about what it is that we're doing. Now, to be fair to the Cayman Islands Turtle Center, they do have, you know, their breeding program and they do um uh release a lot of turtles and we know that those turtles come right back home, so to speak, to where they were released from, where they were born, and where they were released to then uh continue their um reproduction cycle over the years. And um you know I'm just saying here that as I thought about this fight for over this turtle meat there's a lot that was going through my mind including um some of the things that that's happening at the turtle center in terms of the management of the selling of turtle meat how we as Cmanions um see turtle whether or not we wish to uh you know have these things go into extinction completely or are we willing to make the necessary sacrifice to preserve serve them. Al 2025, good morning again. Says, "Which MP is responsible for the turtle farm?" I think it would be the Minister of Tourism, but I'm not entirely sure.
>> Mhm.
I mean, I feel like that's normally who it is, so it's probably the deputy premier.
Uh, I'll confirm that though. Anthony says the turtle meat and distribution of it needs regulations. It should be only culturally identified restaurant should be receiving it commercially. Not every Jamaica cook shop and car back selling it.
You see this is what I'm talking about.
Is there a way to now re this in? What I can say though is because we have allowed it to go for so long um without any um regulation whatsoever.
I do feel like it's going to be difficult, certainly not impossible, but it's going to now be difficult to re that in because it's big money to have turtle meat um on the menu.
Um so yeah, this person says, "Done it for years, now they gone." Mhm.
Um it's mostly elderly companions that purchase turtle meat. a few Jamaicans, but it's mostly Caymanians.
I mean, I don't know about that because it's on every single menu. And as Anthony said, um, you know, Jamaican run shops have it on the menu as well because they know that people like to eat it. Uh, I don't know if Jamaicans love turtle meat, but I know for sure Candions love it and Caymanians are frequenting, you know, the little Jamaican um, corner shop restaurants and whatever probably more than the Jamaicans are sometimes. But yeah, I mean it's it's on everyone's menu. So, h how many I would be interested to know some facts around this, like how much turtle meat is being butchered and sold every week? Um, and who it's going to?
Maybe that's an FOI question we could find out. Abby says, "The day we can't eat turtle meat is a day we've lost kayan entirely." Well, what if you can't eat turtle meat because we eat them into extinction? Are you going to then say that you're not Caymanion because something you used to eat has now become extinct? I don't think so. I mean, you have to balance this. It's like saying, you know, the buffalo in the US, um, you know, oh, if if this particular animal is gone, which has always represented the indigenous um Americans, uh, if that goes away, does that mean that um there's no longer um a a US or an American, you know, not really. Uh there's lots of things that have become extinct, the American bison um over the years, right?
Um so the American bison is obviously endemic or native to North America.
And um yeah, there are things in our lifetime that will go um you know, I'm thinking about some of the other animals even like on the African continent and other places that have now disappeared completely and that our children will never be able to see anything but oh here's a photo of it. Oh, this is the last, you know, um, rhino, whatever, because, you know, human beings, um, basically hunted them into extinction.
So now your children's children will only ever see that in a photo. Once upon a time.
All right. Island Pearl says, "No, I don't know what I going to do then because I need to have me some turtle at least twice for the month. Really? Um, I'm probably gonna just have to raise and grow my own turtles from now so I can support my eating habits.
Um, you are not going to be growing no um uh no green sea turtle. That's for sure.
You might have a little hickey. Do people eat hickey?
Is that a thing? Does it taste the same?
I'm curious. I mean, does all turtle meat taste the same?
So, does it matter which turtle you get the turtle meat from? I honestly don't know. Uh Jaw, I don't even know how you pronounce that name, says maybe make it seasonal and find a better selling a better system for selling it.
>> Adriana, thank you. She said that drink is called uh chicha. That sounds about right. Uh, and they made some minus the saliva that people could partake of, but you guys know that I don't drink, so I was like, Morning, Sherry. Um, Anthony says, "Absolutely 100% regulate the distribution and preparation." Uh, Lady D says they need to do the order/payment online that people just show up with their online receipt as proof to just collect their turtle meat orders, stop people from calling in orders. So like I said there was some sort of change recently understand and how it's done and people still doing it the old way and all kind of mix up and under the table business that's going on. So I do think the turtle farm turtle center needs to perhaps make sure that there's full compliance you know but when you have people there wanting to do whatever they want to do regardless of what the um rules are then you got a problem on your hands.
CIA, good morning says, "The only alternative to green turtle in Kman is Hagati turtle, and we don't have enough of them either. I've never even heard of them." Uh, where are they from?
Ah, Sia says, "We soon start making 3D printed turtle meat." Yes. Tartarian says, "I saw the Filipinos showing off um sprats on Facebook, buckets of them.
It needs to stop." Oh god.
M Don says, "Me love it."
Lady D says, "Not everybody knows how to cook turtle to be honest." Uh Abby says, "That's why we farm them for sustainability instead of only hunting wild turtles." Hello. But what I'm telling you is the farming of turtles is not as sustainable as you think.
That's what I'm saying to you, Abby.
They farm them at a loss, first of all.
But the argument is, well, you know, that's the loss we're going to take um to try to not have people go after them in the wild. But there's other things around that um when we talk about sustainability. There was a whole time and I I don't know if they even have it under control yet, but we were basically um farming diseased turtles.
Yeah. And the the the um what do you call it? their reproduction rate had dropped um significantly as well and so there was a problem with that. Um El Re says, "I only eat turtle cooked by kaymanions."
Um yeah, I mean you might be going to a Kaymanion restaurant, but do you really know who's in the kitchen?
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All right. Good morning caller and welcome to the program honey.
Oh >> yeah. Morning Sandra.
>> Morning dear.
>> Um yeah yeah sure. I know your topics on on the turtle meat >> you know the turtle you know situation and >> that's what I hear you say a hot mess.
>> Yeah sounds like it.
>> Uh remains to see how that all pans out.
>> Mhm.
But since we on that and there like I you know I will try to comply with all your when I call I always try to be constructive if I going to criticize >> not to ridicule condemn you know or you know disengage someone >> because I know the situation is that we living in a perfect world we don't have perfect people running it either >> but there is a glaring issue >> here that seems to be terribly overlooked for many years.
>> Mhm.
>> The problem didn't start with this government.
>> Mhm.
>> But it just so happens that all our wars and ills that we have seemingly everyone's going to expect or most people going to expect them to fix it, the present government to fix it. It's just the harsh reality.
>> Yeah.
>> He is the head that wears the crown, >> right? from whom much is given, much is expected.
>> Now, what I'm talking about is the fishing situation, the depletion of our marine life in general, but the fish especially.
>> If you spare with me, you know, can give me a few minutes, I'll explain some things and I use some references.
>> For instance, we here apparently is dependent on the second pillar of economy. I always heard that is tourism.
Mhm.
>> Now, if you look along the shorelines, the Cayman Islands, you see a lot of rocks that is bleached out white and a lot of people don't know what the cause of it is. M >> but what it is that is a living organism that is dying or dead and the cause usually is there's not enough juvenile fish any longer >> of the algae the moss as we say so in therefore that coral doesn't get adequate sunlight and oxygen >> thus die >> you don't think a lot a lot of people that's coming here as visitors knows that as well They they they know they you know we live in in the prehistoric times you know >> and that that's not a good look on us to start with.
>> Yes.
>> And no one's come here to see the dead sea. They'll go where the dead sea is if they want to see that.
>> Mhm.
>> But thing is for someone to you see you eat fish right?
>> Mhm.
>> Okay. Now remember Yeah. You know, we'll always have fish, I guess, from somewhere else. But what about the generations coming? Shouldn't we be able to preserve something showing what a red blood or a lyon snapper look like?
>> Yes.
>> Okay.
Thing is though, the smaller fish when they're all caught off, a lot of the bigger fish >> goes somewhere else because the smaller fish is the food chain. And once they disappear, the big fish will too.
>> Mhm. There are certain species of fish I don't see anymore, you know. And you know what's bad? Extinction is forever.
>> Yes, most certainly.
>> Okay. Okay. Now, it was supposed to be something apparently being debated about this situation with all of the, you know, infringement and depletion of our marine resources.
>> Mhm.
>> But no news is good news. I haven't heard anything. And that was from last year, September, October. That was supposed to be coming in effect.
>> Yeah. I got up from the horse's mouth.
>> Mhm. Mhm. Well, I mean, just cuz we haven't heard anything about it, I suppose, you know, the sustainability ministry, um, I'll tell you when they had that chamber lunchon recently, these were some of the questions that were being asked, um, of people who attended.
um you know some are environmental groups and others are just individuals who are very very concerned about the over fishing whether it's of grouper or all sorts of other good >> um yeah so I think the ministry has to give us more information on what it is that they're doing uh when it comes to news >> no news is good news and and bear in mind I mean what it leads to it leads to a lot of speculation >> you know an assumption what that is the mother all mess But let me finish by saying this >> since I I guess I got the point across.
The thing is now someone who used to live in Bermuda >> Mhm.
>> for almost 10 years told me they were going through the same thing that we're going through here, you know, being you know really have a lot of transient workers coming and go you know same type of industry that we have per se. And it came a time when the government actually had to get up and say, "Well, you know, we can't afford this any longer. Enough is enough, but too much is too much."
>> And they initiated a law to protect their marine ecology, all of the marine life. Listen, brace yourself >> for 10 years.
>> Very extreme. this scene extreme situation required extreme measures but a lot of people didn't agree with it apparently you know because they got so used to you know being able to you know come as you are and go as you please come and go do whatever they want to do and they was imprisoned some had to pay half the fines but within two or three years the message got across >> within two or three years >> there was the sea was bornful again.
>> Mhm.
>> And in all the creature was because of that replenishment time.
So you know it is high time that we do because as you speak as me speaking there's someone out there just you heard pictures of these Filipinos just you know this and fact catching all this juvenile fish you know all the sprats whatever fries and that's a food chain >> a bigger fish >> right it has a lot to do look at a par fish is one that makes the beach right >> and they they're more they can change if necessary from one speech to the next you know like one sex to the But if it's not enough for them, they be able to do that either no matter what.
So it's time big time necessary. It's an indictment if the government doesn't do something and soon with that >> thanks for giving me the opportunity on your platform and you keep up the good luck shining lights bright.
>> Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Um some some very very interesting comments there. Um yeah, I mean listen, point well taken and this is kind of, you know, what I'm saying as well is that uh sometimes governments have to step in and um do things that make them unpopular, but it's the right thing to do, right? That that's why we hire them, right? To make the tough decisions. And sometimes we the general public don't even like the tough decisions. So, um there's something to be said though. You got to have the gumption to be able to get it done. Yes, honey ch. So, the question then becomes um is it time for us to do a little bit more to protect our um turtle uh industry or turtles first and foremost? Just like before you, you know, you used to be able to go get turtle shells and all kind of stuff for decorative purposes, hang them on your walls. That's not allowed uh anymore because again we need to stop people from poaching them. This one says, "Good morning, ma." Uh um oh, sorry, that part. Then somebody says, "Since this happened, I heard a lot of West Bayers saying that Dre was selling it outside of uh the work, not the not at the farm. Everything is going to come out now like usual. Something has to happen first."
It's just so sad that this this had to happen. All right, we got another caller. Good morning, caller. Welcome to the program.
>> Good morning, Miss Sandra. Trust you're well. Good morning, darling.
>> Well, um I'm going to ask something of you, please.
>> Sure.
>> If you could do sometime soon, reach out to the DOE and ask the good folks if they would come on your show >> and so that we can talk about what that gentleman just talked about.
>> I tell you the reason we have to do it, Sandra. Our coastlines are being overfished. Just like the Cmanion gentleman talked about, once all of the small juvenile fish have gone from the iron shore and the coast, then the big fish disappear.
>> Mhm.
>> Because they have nothing to feed on.
What I see taking place, I call them as I see it. It's not only on Northwest Point Road, the iron shore coastline, what we call it. It is being overfished.
Just like the commenter, Mr. Tartarion said, he saw Filipinos selling parat by the buckets. These are five gallon pales. Okay. Five gallon buckets that paint and and all of this stuff come for for construction.
>> He's not lying, Sandra. He's not lying.
They have stripped down by where they used where the old Spanish bay reoile used to be on Kongpoint road. We call it that area all down there's called barkers.
>> Okay.
>> They go down there. They go with four and five roden reels. One one Filipino comes with four or five roden reels.
Okay. I watch it daily >> in the evenings too down here on Northwest Point. Then they got two or three hand line.
>> Jamaicans are doing the same thing.
They're taking everything, Sandra.
Everything, the earth, >> everything that they eat where they come from, >> they are they are stripping our coastline.
>> And when you talk to these two nationalities, the Jamaicans and the Filipinos, they go off on you.
>> They go behind persons. Um, you know how we have allowed the destruction of the coastline and the iron shore by building cement walkways down to the edge of it.
>> People have homes down here in Northwest Point. Some of them are not occupied all year round.
>> They go back there. They go through people properties. They don't care. I see this all the time every day happening around here. Sandra, >> we the government the government needs to come up with whatever solution they're going to come up with. It was talked that um foreign nationals that were here on work permit were only soon supposed to be able to fish and release, not keep anything.
something has to be done whether it's a moratorum on on taking fish like Bingo did for a while >> because we have it with the groupers and I can tell you I raised up in the Bright Sandra I know what fish look like I know what turtle look like I know they were plentiful >> okay I don't eat turtle anymore >> because I think that is one of the reasons Him Islands are getting cancer okay Mhm. Mhm.
>> Because of the man-made food that they are being fed. I ask all I ask anybody take a take a drive if you can one week this weekend or something. Come down to the turtle farms parking lot. Okay, Sandra and you will see it littered with people and the bike fishing.
>> I don't eat turtle anymore.
>> But I've eaten it all my life wild. We used to raise them and kill them.
um when I was young and the bright but the destruction of the coastline of the marine life >> and I'm bringing light to this because I see it there is a certain apartment complex Sandra on point road just before you get down to Papa Gallo restaurant and turn to the right where the road I think is power road because that's where a lot of the power live down in there.
That's why that road is called that.
>> On the left, it is after the Pampered Ponies. It's an apartment complex. It's a building. It's just one building with a B apartment. It's >> loaded with Filipinos and Jamaicans. And you know what they have been doing? All of the young juvenile cult Sandra >> that comes in to feed and all of the fish that come in during the day to feed on that turtle grass that they eat.
>> Mhm. They are stripping that area down there of all the juvenile counts and there are not enough DOE officers to do the job in Cayman and we need the government to address that problem. We need whoever the ministry that is responsible for it and the minister we need them to come forward with a plan.
Sandra.
>> Mhm.
>> Because I'll tell you this why it is urgent. You see tourism or pillar that runs this economy >> just like financial services. You remember when the 2008 financial crisis happened, it affected the world. Cayman got affected too.
>> Okay. We know about over fishing in the Caribbean. We know about it in Cayman.
It is happening daily >> and Kmanions have to take a stand on this because if we want something left for the next generations to see and to know what we did, >> we are going to have to implement a system of banning foreign workers that come here from fishing. I am sorry. When they leave, what they have done is continually stripping our coastline. And if the coastline gets stripped of all of the marine life that is needed to make it grow, you know what's going to happen, Sandra? Just like the gentleman say, the young juvenile fish can't get the algae to kill it. So, the algae is going to grow. Do me a favor this weekend. Come down by the turtle farm parking lot. It closes at 7:30 when the security puts the sheen on, okay? To stop people from going in, but they walking back in fishing anyway. as a different story.
>> Come back there, get out of your vehicle and listen to the water rushing from underneath from across the turtle farm through the road under the parking lot and you will see the water gushing out to the back of the cement wall. There two or three pipes that come out there.
>> There is algae growing on top of the iron shore now >> because that is man-made feed. The water is dirty. You know when you wash dishes or you wash a a load of clothes and the water coming out is soapy and frothy and and dingy looking brownish like >> Mhm.
>> that's the type of water that is coming from the turtle farm. Okay. And it's coming in three pipes and coming straight into the out into the Caribbean Sea.
>> And I'm sure it's treated because it has to be I'm sure. But it's stake. I don't know who would eat turtle after smelling that nastiness, but I stopped it years ago.
>> People are back there fishing. Those fish are nasty to catch back there.
They're eating all that nasty stuff that's coming out of that into that water, >> you know. No, no, no, no, no. I don't it it's if the depletion and the stripping and the continuation continues affecting the juvenile fish and every other marine life that is scattered around our iron shores. You know what's going to happen? Eventually there's going to be none. Give it 10 years and we will be hauling a different story. And you know what that story is going to be Sandra? The long winding rolling down of the trickle down effect.
We allowed persons to come here, live here, and do as they feel to our coastline and or in marine environment.
And now there's nothing to see when you go down there as a snorkeler or a diver.
So then what happens to our tourism product? It goes away because nobody's going to come to an island >> to dive or snorkel. We might have beautiful beaches and friendly people but we don't have what they want to see and experience marine life. So then therefore the tourism product of diving dries up and what what effect that has the dive shops have to close the dive operations have to close and people get laid off.
>> Yeah >> that's the trickle down effect of not protecting our environment. So I'm asking you as 1k manion that takes what is only needed when will wilt and count is in season >> just one time I go that's all that I don't take anymore I take what I'm allowed I take I go one or two times and I have enough for the season because I get my little half a pale of >> will >> I clean them I go back two or three weeks later I get my other little half a pale and I got enough to carry me through the season to eat it and cook it. That's how I do it. And I buy my my count when they're in season. I only buy them from people that I know that do not go and strip the shore lines of the count.
>> But there are there are people here that strip them and don't care. But there are a few Kmanions that abide by the law and those are the ones I buy it from in season >> because if we do not do what we have to do to protect this marine life, >> there's not going to be anything left.
>> Forget about bleaching and the effect that humans are having on the environment causing the bleaching of the coral. When the bleaching takes effect and the water is warm >> in the Caribbean region, the bleaching gets worse.
>> And if there's no marine, if there's no coral for the marine life to sustain theirel, the fishes go elsewhere too.
And the marine life goes elsewhere.
>> So this this is a a urgent urgent plea.
Please, I'm asking you, find a way of getting the DOE on here and and and we need to let the government know. They have to address this.
>> They have to address it. I know this government has all of the ills that has been done for the last 40 or 50 decades to this country. They cannot fix everything one time, >> but we can sure make a dent on this to preserve that Caribbean sea for future Himmanion generation, for future foreigners to come here and work on work permits to enjoy it and to our vis for our visitors to continue to enjoy what most do not understand. What we have here is paradise.
That sea is paradise to those that cannot do it where they are. You have the Jamaican nationality that have lost access to their beaches.
They come here and I watch them. They enjoy the beach, but then there are those that are stripping the coastline and that's not right. M >> we we have to protect our coastline and and planning needs to do a better job of not allowing our coastline to continually be changed by building gazeos and patios and and and and and houses onto the onto the um iron shore. The iron shore if most people do not understand what the iron shore was or if you do not know what it was and I'm going to leave it there after this. The iron shore was once the reef that was living where these dive resort here on Northwest Point >> have come and cemented walkways, patios and built pools on the iron shore down here. There's three or four dive operations that own their own condo buildings and stuff down here that run their dive resorts. And I say shame, shame on them and shame on planning of this country because we should never Sandra have allowed our coastline to change the way it is now because that is a barrier. That is a protection for what >> the hurricanes that we live in this area. We are in hurricane alley and the iron shore was once the seabed. It happened and it got raised up because then the tectonic plates of this world shifted and the world was created the way it is on the continent. That's what happened.
>> And eventually the iron shore became no more living coral. It died. But it was put there for a reason to protect these islands, not for us to destroy it. So, I'm urging the government, I'm urging you, please get the DOE on here because we need the funds for DOE to be able to go out and hire the amount of marine officers that we need to patrol these three islands because as far as I was told by one of them Kay Man as Grand Kman, the size that it is, has four marine officers. That's that's too little. This is an urgent plea. We have to save this environment and it is something that deserves attention and it deserves the attention now because 10 years later on we will not be able to fix what we as Kmanions have sat down and allowed to happen. And when you go to that shoreline and you don't see any fish or you don't see any marine life then the reality of what people are speaking has happened. And I would hate to be around to come back and say I told a man. So though so kayman need to protect the sea and what is on land. We cannot destroy things that are protected. I see them taking the marray eels. They catch them. They don't even release them back into the sea. Sandra, >> they just cut the hook off and throw it down on the iron shore. And it has that this mentality of people coming here and going and buying three and four roden reels as soon as they land here man to come fish.
>> That mentality and that has to go away.
We have to put a stop to it. And by doing so, we're going to have to do it for a few years to stop the fishing on the iron shore for the marine life to be able to replenish itself >> and for it to sustain the mighty Caribbean Sea. Because this mighty Caribbean Sea is beautiful to look at, to swim in, and to enjoy. But when the mighty Caribbean Sea Sandra roars, she roars, and you do not go near her when she is rough.
>> Okay. Kayman protect Kayman. It is up to us and every Kayman you have to protect this environment. So I'm I'm begging you get the DOE on your show so that we can tell them because more than we see in the topic. I know Mr. Titarian calls in on it on C radio Kan talk show and he talks about it here also. But this is an issue now. We have got immigration almost sorted. The environment is what this government needs to chase down the broken barrel that so many other successive governments of the past has left behind and refuses to tackle the issues. This is one of them. Our environment needs to be protected at all cost. Why? Because the trickle down effect is tourism will disappear.
>> The Cmanion fisherman's livelihoods will disappear from here. And if you think it's easy to bring something back from extension, I'll leave you there.
>> Thank you, my dear. I appreciate it.
>> Yeah, this is the only one that I know has been brought back besides the bison >> that has been brought back.
>> It was the Ridley sea turtle.
>> All right, leave me there.
>> Brought back from extension almost 50 years ago. Thank you, Sandra. Keep doing what you do. God bless.
>> I appreciate it. Thank you so much.
>> Byebye. All right. So, um, some salient points there. Miss Anita says, "I agree, uh, with the current caller, with the present caller." Um, we have Melo Fellow, good morning. Says, "Good morning, CMR. Another option is to sell the turtle meat at the true cost of production to restaurants to help regulate the demand. The subsidized price should only be for households purchasing small amounts." H, interesting.
That's a that's a good question. I mean, maybe that should be like the poll question of the day, uh, mellow fellow because yeah, uh, I'm going to get some more information on the cost because somebody was telling me about it recently, but I can't remember the figures. So, I'm going to do some digging and get you guys the the figures as it relates to the cost of producing it and what they actually sell it at. Uh, Lady D says, "Well, it's time that they go back to allowing the fishermen to start turtling like many of her fathers and forefathers used to do.
If they stop the sale of turtle, poaching will increase."
Uh, I'm pretty sure that nobody wants to do that. Go back to turtling.
No, no, no, no, no, no. Uh, I don't think that that's the solution.
Um okay let's get another comment here and we have some some coming in on WhatsApp as well. Um let's see tourism in ministry is an avid fisherman. He needs to address this consumption by the Asian diaspora uh especially um I'm going to send your comment Anthony to the minister. Uh we would like to have him on the program.
Uh Anthony says cancer is not unique to Kayan. It's a global issue. Lady D says they uh be all over the island taking small fish. Uh this is what happens when you allow expats that don't respect the laws already in place regarding fishing.
Let me say this. Uh just to play devil's advocate a little bit here. Um could it be that they simply don't know even what the laws are? I mean, how how how would you know if you're a Filipino and you come from the Philippines and you come off the plane, right, and you start fishing the following week, how would you know what the laws are um or even what the culture cuz I don't know if it's a law, but what's the culture around fishing? I I don't see I mean I hate to say this but again this made me think of my trip to the Galapagos like in the airport while you're standing that customs line on the um they had a big screen up there with all the dos and don'ts right and you're reading through the slideshow as you're standing there you come to the Cayman Islands and there's no signage there's no nothing how do you know what's protected from what isn't protected what are the standards How does it work?
There's no introduction to certainly work permits coming here, work permit holders, and what they should and shouldn't do. So, let's not automatically assume that they're trying to offend us on purpose or they're trying to overfish on purpose. You know, that's what they do in their country.
So, maybe they think everywhere in the world that you go, that's just how how you roll with it. I think we also need to admit that we should have more education around all of this.
H Island Pearl wants to know where does the sister island get their turtle meat from? Are they allowed to get it from the ocean? Oh, that's a good question.
I don't know.
Turtle uh Camry turtlers came brackers, come on through.
Um because this is a curious question.
Uh, and quite frankly, I don't even know the answer.
Huh.
I I don't know. That's H. You have me stopped there. I have no clue. It's a good question. Island Pearl.
Um, Anthony says, "High cancer rates are from the high carcinogenic foods we eat like jerk." Yep, that's true. Obviously, he hasn't seen or smell a commercial poultry pig or beef farm smell leave or turtle waste. You know, that's why I'm I'm surprised that um Marilyn isn't in the comment section cuz she can say, "Yep, all y'all eating meat is nasty."
That's why I'm a vegetarian.
Lady D says, "This is what happens when you increase your population to 100k."
Um and uh hold on one second. Sorry. Uh they take to the sea to have food. Why?
Because they don't have money to buy groceries. Because the cost of food uh being unemployed.
Because of the cost of food being unemployed. What? I don't get that last part. The cost of food being unemployed.
Or are you trying to say that they're unemployed? Well, they shouldn't be in this country unemployed if they're here in a war permit.
Um, so Anthony says, "Them Filipinos know they have their seniors that do orientations." Not too sure about that.
So many of them coming in now. Um, that you know, uh, Real Deal says it's not just the Filipinos that are eating small fish. I mean, exactly. A lot of times y'all looking at people and you think they're Filipinos, but they're not.
They're from other Asian countries, but we're making assumptions about where they're from just by how they look.
All right. Um, here's another question or comment rather. They said a cayman lost his life. The callers glaze over that. Had a they killed Mr. Christian, we wouldn't be talking about fishing.
They equals non-kaymanion.
Bringing home the point which I made earlier that makes this whole situation so incredibly sad.
Um because this was kaymanion violence on a kaymanion.
Mr. Christian old enough to be um you know this guy's father and and look look at what happened.
Oh my god. So sad.
All right. Um, let me just um Okay.
So, this person says, "Good morning. Uh, isn't turtling now illegal from international standards?" I I think so, too.
I think so.
All right. This person, uh, lots of comments coming in. Um, give me one second.
Hold on. One second.
Okay. Lots of lots of very very interesting comments. So, I got an answer um about that um Strong Wilt, you're so funny. Strong Wilt says to check with Carrie. You think she the only Kimman Bracker? No, we want Kim Brackers with sense. So I asked one of my Kim backers what sense and he replied and said that we get people that um we get people that get from the turtle farm for us. So they're indirectly also getting it from the turtle farm just so people bring it I guess on island.
Um CE said they know because I always ask them they just don't care.
Huh. Good morning Sandra. What do you think about jerk turtle?
Never thought about it to be honest. So I have no clue what jerk turtle would taste like. That not man though. So I don't know about no jerk turtle honey.
Chill.
And like Anthony said, jerking food is really not the best way of cooking food for your health in terms of the carcin cuz anything that is like once you see that blackness on it from barbecuing, jerking, you know, very similar types of cooking methods, y'all need to be scraping that off. That's why I tell them when I go get my um pork, I don't like it charred. I be cutting that ish off of my meat cuz that's what gives you cancer right there. That car, that bit is carcinogenic.
Um, El Rey says they have the money.
It's being sent home.
See, uh, Ebang says, "Brackers get turtle meat from the farm just like anyone on Grand Cayman." Uh, yes, I know the other factors cause cancer, processed food, smoking, etc. One of the worst things you can do is processed meats, folks. All those um, you know, the uh, and some people eat processed meats every day. the things like, you know, um the deli meats, the um what do you call it? Bacon, all that kind of stuff. You got to try and get healthier options, but still I really try to eat it in moderation.
I know some of y'all don't want to hear that.
Lady Lee says, "Because the cost of food and being unemployed, they shouldn't be here if they're unemployed, but we know."
Okay.
Um, Anthony says, "That sounds like CC replying." Curtis Connect. Oh my gosh.
You think Curtis only came in brackers?
Relax yourself. After yesterday's show, I'm gonna be honest with you. Some people like, "Boy, Sandy, I think something in the water, but some of them brackers, you know, and I'm like, listen, I not really going to go after my brackers because they have one or two fufu ones like Carrie cuz all the all the Kim brackers know who not got no sense and they don't support the foolishness that they be going on with either." So, I'm like, "No, I I not trying to put everybody in one singular boat." That's like me saying all West Bayers, all this, all that. Just like all Filipinos not not fishing either, right? So Anthony says, "Ana hush about jerk turtle and I soon want to curry it too."
What else? And I want change around here. Yeah. Well, listen. If you can eat turtle, you got to do it Cayman style.
Just leave it alone. So island pearl says, "So wait, they have to pay to go over to pick up the person. It sends it down with someone. I'm just curious. I mean, I think it's like anything else that gets in the brack from Grand Cayman, right? Uh everything's imported in. So, I'm assuming, you know, people coming back and forth all the time. I'm sure people put in their little order cuz they have restaurants there that serve turtle. So, they putting in their little order, too.
I don't think it's all that serious.
Uh K man Marilyn says, "Right, yeah, Vex, cuz I can't find the cold hard truth on Facebook." Why girl? Let me let me walk you through this again because it's really really simple actually. Hold on.
It's so simple to find it on Facebook.
What happens though is Facebook a lot of times doesn't put it on the on the page like the um like the homepage if you will, right? But let me show you cuz I know I've showed you all this before, but it's worth um showing you again how this works. So, hold on now. Let me see.
Is it this image over here? Okay. Jeff Bezos just showed up on my Facebook feed. Okay.
Um, poor Jeff Bezos. He needed to stop with his foolishness. Okay. So, when you're here, right, and you just go to the CMR page, you see the little picture. It actually says live like literally right there. All you do is click on that and that will immediately take you to the live feed. Boom. Just like that. This is a live show right now.
Because let me tell you, you're looking for it here on the page. And like I said, Facebook is very panicity. Sometimes it shows up on the page here and sometimes it doesn't. So a lot of times what I end up having to do, if I remember, and I have to tell this to the content creators as well. Hold on. Uh, is I have to manually put it there. So, I have to do this and then copy this and manually put it there because it just doesn't put it like it should show up as a post like on here and it just doesn't. The other thing you can do, but that's the easiest way. The easy way to Facebook, just go to Facebook, click on the I think this is the display photo, the profile photo.
Just click on that and once you're live, it automatically takes you to the live feed. The other thing I would recommend, but a lot of people enjoy watching it on YouTube, but the other thing I would recommend is follow her channel, which I know you're not on WhatsApp, so I'm probably realizing this isn't going to help you, but if you follow the WhatsApp channel, you get the links um sent out daily as well. Anthony says, "Leave our brackers alone, but water." Uh, it's something in the Cuban Cayman water.
What Cuban Cayman water?
Oh my god. What the hell? Say what?
All right, I'm going to put the link on the homepage just in case because I know most people that's where you're looking for it and sometimes Facebook puts it there and sometimes they don't. Honey, Facebook is just a little bit weird at times.
Um, Duke Marin says, "Abby farm raised meats, including Tortuga, um, turtle, are full of urine, feces, antibiotics. They fight over space and bite up each other. Soar and pus, oh my god, talking about turning you off from turtle meat. Come on, stop it, Duke."
Are common in their pool of water. They eat and drink all that crap. It gets into their bios. K matter amongst the highest obesity in the Caribbean. Low energy and focus enriching mental challenges among our people. It's not how much you win, it's how long you last, says the Dawn from IIA. Who Who's Dawn from IKEA? Okay then. I guess he's telling you don't eat turtle wheat. Uh Cang says, "Watch the weather. Kay man is starting to build with thunderstorms down by Kay Man. Lots of rain is coming." Yeah, we had some already. Oh, Beia and Javier child.
M KY forever says, "That's why I don't eat turtle meat." You'd be surprised that came onions that actually don't.
All right, folks. Um, so here's what I've done is um I've reached out to someone at DOE.
We're going to arrange a visit. So, thanks to that caller for, um, the recommendations. Uh they do say that there are sign they are signs but more are coming. There's currently no fishing license in force. So someone said um oh yes let me go back to this comment. Hold on one second.
Um hold on one second.
Uhhuh.
Oh the computer's moving a little bit slow today.
I always have connection interrupted.
Wait for the complete answer. Okay, let's give that a second.
Um Mhm.
Okay.
Yes. Mhm. So, I've I'm following up in real time about some of this stuff. So, I have sent the minister, I think it's Mr. Ruddy, um about this uh turtle farm. Let me just confirm.
Um I believe that falls under him. So I'll confirm and and you know have some questions about that.
And um another person had the following to share. Let me just get my comments sorted out here. One second.
Mhm.
Okay.
and then we're going to start to wrap up the show because I got some court stuff to do today.
All right, so this person says I can't I can't do this one up nicely. So, I'm just going to quickly put this one on the screen.
Um, this person says it's mostly elderly Cmanions that purchase um turtle meat. A few Jamaicans, but it's mostly Caymanians. The problem is turtle farm has a set limit on how much you can buy and seniors carry on bad out there when they can't get what they want. Sandy, I've personally witnessed incidents where seniors be rude to the man involved and staff in his situation because they can't get the amount that they want. Some of them be demanding and disrespectful when they cannot buy over the limit. You can purchase as an individual.
Wow.
No bueno. No bueno. No bueno. No bueno.
Please uh folks um while we're talking about all these issues and population comes into mind again, do not forget that there are two surveys being surveys being conducted right now by the ESO.
There is the annual um business survey and then there's also the labor force survey. Please participate in both of those if you get requested to do so.
The Economics and Statistics Office, ESO, is currently conducting the annual business surveys until June 12th. The surveys collect information to answer questions like, "How did the economy perform in 2025?
In 2025, how much did foreign companies invest in the Cayman Islands?" The surveys include all relevant entities that produce goods and services in the Cayman Islands. The surveys are confidential under the Statistics Act and are exempt from the Freedom of Information Act. Your response matters.
Do your part. Fill out and return your survey forms to the ESO. Remember, better data, better decisions, better business. For assistance in filling out the forms or for more information, visit eso.ky KY or call 244-4676 or 244-4600.
All right, folks. Um, Kay Man Marilyn says, "I used to click on live, but that option no longer is there. Only reals.
Every once in a while you show up in the feed." Sabrina is always in the feed.
That's why it makes no sense. Yeah, that's that's Facebook for you. I don't know what to tell you. But, um, from the computer live is still there. Um, but I'm assuming you're doing it from your phone. And I don't really know where live. I'd have to look on the phone to see where the live is, but uh, let me just show you really quickly actually.
So, if I go to on the computer screen again, if I go to more, there's live right there. And then there it is. So, it could be that on the phone, it's a little bit more hidden than that. Um, I wish we could customize like, you know, manage sections. So I wish we could move stuff up and down. Like we can't even do that. Facebook is just Facebook. So let me just quickly see in the phone. Um so from the Facebook app and I think it does make a difference if I click on so yeah again on the phone the easiest thing is just to click on the little icon thing right there.
>> But uh let me just show you >> and then there it is. So it's still when you go to the page if you just click on the icon thing but let me see. Um, yeah.
You see, I don't see that more button on here. So, I think on on the app it's not there. Yep.
Um, which is weird.
Mentions.
So, two days ago, someone sent I don't know why this mention thing again. I don't hardly ever see these. So, this one says, "Hi, good morning everybody.
Just yesterday, I lost my car key near the South Church Street. Um, it's best not to Oh god, I got to go pick up my my other glasses today. I bent them up last week and they fixed them for me. It's best not to I see messages on here that I've never seen before. So, this was 2 days ago and then May the 11th of my lost wallet. Just always what's up, anything like that.
Um, send a what's up.
I never see this section. Where do I find this section of the computer? This is where like people um message us on the page, but I'm only now seeing all these messages here going back to February, January, even 2023.
And we don't see these messages. They're not that easy to find. So, I would suggest if you really have a message for us, you simply um send us a direct message. Here's one from February.
And this person is saying they've lost their passport.
And I don't know what this one is about.
This one says what? Okay. Where did I find that just now? I'm trying to find it again. I went to the page. Oh, I went to mentions. Mentions. You see, I don't Oh, there it is. Oh, it's kind of hidden. I'm going to be honest with you.
So, lost wallet at Valent. Oh, that was poor Miss Marleene. Oh, bless your heart. So, she lost her wallet with $528 for rent money.
Okay. Anyway, that's Facebook for you.
Um, good morning beautiful people. Happy Tuesday. Once from go Facebook search and she'll always see the live. She can click on it. Yeah, I mean you can definitely search for it as well. Um, so you can put in the search option there.
But I think if you just go to the page and then you just click on, sorry I can't bring this up on my phone right now with the computer, but yeah, you just click on the same little live icon.
It says 2026 logo. And that's still the easiest way to get to it. All right.
Abby says, "Duke Marin, enjoy your factory processed KFC while Kmanion Heritage goes to hell." I can tell you that Duke Marin is is not an advocate of fast food because he's always here talking about stop eating ultrarocessed and fast food. So Duke Maron probably a vegetarian or we eating chicken. I don't know.
All right. Um Okay. All right. Very good. Um I got to go cuz like I said, I got to do some legal stuff today that I really want to get done. Plus, I got homework due tomorrow and I've got an appointment for my waxing lady. TMI, but uh she's going to do my armpits for me. Um, can I just tell you I got something in my eye. My little Gigi keeps me in track with stuff. Honey child, she's such a little lady already. She's only 9 years old, but child, she mom, put your arms down.
You got armpit hairs. And I'm just like, "Okay, I got to make an appointment to go get wax." Well, don't show that.
Don't Don't wear that. Don't wear that top. Cover it up. I'm just like, Jesus.
Okay.
Uh, she be looking out for me, honey.
So, um, I tell her she got way more hair than me. She going to be living up in the up in the wax ladies salon.
Um. Oh, my eyes are a little bit irritated.
Got my eye drops. Honey gel.
Sometimes your eyes be so dry and stuff and you don't realize it till you actually put the eye drops in and then your eyes are like burning. Do you guys ever have that? I have very dry eyes. I always did.
Okay.
Tomorrow is Wednesday.
We'll have uh more community discussions and news. We're actually putting up two interesting stories today. One is about Cayman Prep. They sent out another letter yesterday, so I'll get that one posted up here shortly. Um I'm actually doing the two stories myself. You know what? I've been doing more writing recently, which normally I'm not actually the one who's doing the writing on the website, but I've been doing more website writing because for school, I told you guys I'm doing a journalism course, right? Can I get me a degree in journalism, honey? But, um, I'm able to submit those as my assignments as well.
So, it's kind of like a dual purpose.
So, I have some tutorial assignments. I have one assignment due tomorrow. um they're forcing me forcing me to do like travel um writing and stuff which normally I don't do those things for CMR. So there's a whole section on writing feature stories and um what's it called? Features and something but anyway um the style of writing for CMR doesn't normally include feature writing. Uh but I did write a piece um on cuz we can do like you know interviews and you know listen I tell my instructor I said look look you know freelance and features I said look this is 2026 we do video interviews where we just play the video and people enjoy watching it but I must tell you that the course have forced me to explore for feature writing a little bit more because that's not something that's not the format really that we do here on CMR. And I wrote a piece based off of the interview that I did with Mr. Calvin Christian. I feel like it's one of my best pieces ever because it's a little bit it brought out like my creative writing side and you know um I I don't know if I told you guys I think you know this I have a writing degree, right? So, my first degree at USF is actually a writing degree. And in the back of my head, I've always been secretly a writer, which is so weird cuz this was never I was never meant to be a writer.
I was meant to be a lawyer. Like, that's what you think in your head. And then life kind of throws you in and brings you back full circle. So, interestingly enough, um I have enjoyed the feature writing segment because it's brought out like more of my creative writing side and I've always wanted to like write books and short stories and stuff. And so, who knows when when I'm ready to retire in another 20some years, I might have to return um to one of my passions, one of my loves. And um yeah.
So anywh who um I'll keep you guys posted, but I was thinking about the one that I wrote for Mr. Calvin. I might actually publish that on the website. So I might do a section for that sort of like create a category for that sort of stuff and publish it cuz I really enjoyed it. I enjoyed writing it. And I know that some people are still readers over watching video content. So I think some of you might actually enjoy it. So, I'm gonna I'm gonna publish that one on the website. Um, but yes, I've got an assignment due tomorrow. So, I'm working on two stories. One is an interesting one. You guys are going to find this very, very interesting. It's a little bit of law and news that nobody knows.
But there's one about Miss Kayman. So, I'm going to publish that one today. And then I'm also going to do the one on Kay Prep. Kayman Prep is just they refused to acknowledge that this guy has lied to them and that what we have proven to be a fact that that at some point his account was public. They refused to oh their investigation. No, no, you guys don't understand. There's no way. Kayman Prep, you are clueless about social media and technology. That's all that says to me. and you refuse to accept what is the only possibility of what could have happened.
Now, that says a lot about a school.
The fact that they're doubling down on his position, which was this was a private post, is to me shocking and um it says a lot about the school board and about the administrators at that school. I would not trust them with children if I were you guys, but there you go. because they're doubling down in a position that is impossible that from a tech perspective as we realize could not have been the case and yet they are sticking firm to that. So we'll do a little updated story on that so that you guys keep a breast of how stupid quite frankly Kayman Prep is when it comes to technology in particular.
All right, that's all she wrote. Good folks, I'm out of here. You guys have a wonderful and um super productive day and we'll see you back here tomorrow morning. Okay, don't eat any turtle today. Turtle free day.
I know y'all like, "Girl, you must be crazy." Uh, speaking of that, just a couple days ago, hold on. It was actually um World Turtle Day. Hold on, let me go back. Uh, World Hunger Day is coming up in a couple days on the 28th. But let me see now. World Turtle Day was Which day was it? Um, hold on.
Uh, May the 23rd was World Turtle Day.
Mhm.
So, uh, and then World Ocean Day is coming up in June. So, lots of, uh, World Environmental Day is on the 5th of June. Um, so lots of things around the environment I think that should make us pause and think a little bit more about what we're doing. All right, Abby, she says, "Kiss my teeth."
Have a beautiful day, folks. Um, I will see you guys uh next uh tomorrow. Yeah.
All right. Take care until then.
>> Thank you for tuning in to another episode of The Cold Hard Truth on Bobo 89.1 FM. Cayman's number one talk show is live weekdays from 7:30 a.m. Never miss an episode again. Watch anytime on CMR's Facebook and YouTube channels for the latest show episodes. Don't forget to follow us online on our social media channels and visit caymanroad.com for all the latest news and community happenings.
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