RAP*D 3 Kids For 10 Years & Expected Freedom — Judge Boyd Shuts Him Down Forever

[00:00:00]and search your fingers into her vagina.

[00:00:02]What was your thought process?

[00:00:03]>> I have no >> Because of him, I'm 23 years old and I still get nightmares.

[00:00:11]I wake up crying, screaming, sweating.

[00:00:14]He took my childhood, he took my teenage years.

[00:00:18]>> You said that he's a good person.

[00:00:19]>> Yes.

[00:00:20]>> So, you think good people sexually assault two girls over a period of 10 years?

[00:00:25]>> I think that good people can get into situations and I think that that can be used. When you go to the museum >> But she had to take off her pants because according to that, according to what I read, you told her to remove her pants. So, at that point in time, there had to be some thought process. I mean, wasn't all of that running through your thoughts so you wouldn't get caught? In 2020 CR 4378 and 2020 CR 4377, State of Texas versus Roberto Espinoza, and you entered a plea of guilty. The court found there was sufficient evidence to find you guilty. The court deferred finding you guilty as you applied for deferred education. In each of the cause numbers, your punishment is to be assessed at a cap of 12 years.

[00:01:07]There's a $1,500 fine. State opposes your application. Uh the cases were all concurrent and you entered a plea to the offense of indecency with a child contact. Eight year opposed, do you have any witnesses?

[00:01:23]>> State has no witnesses.

[00:01:24]>> All right, defense, do you have any witnesses?

[00:01:26]>> Yes, Judge, I'd like to call Dahlia Morales.

[00:01:30]>> All right.

[00:01:31]>> And if you'll step to the uh my left, please. All right, can you raise your right hand for me? Do you solemnly swear affirm the testimony you give will be the truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

[00:01:42]All right, I'm going to need you to speak up so the court reporter can hear you, okay?

[00:01:46]>> Okay.

[00:01:46]>> All right, could you state your name for the record, please?

[00:01:48]>> Dahlia Morales.

[00:01:50]>> Okay. Okay, we can't hear you.

[00:01:51]>> All right, we got the fans going, so it's even harder to hear.

[00:01:53]>> Dahlia Morales.

[00:01:57]>> All right, defense.

[00:01:58]>> All right, thank you, Your Honor.

[00:02:00]Ma'am, what's um what's your relationship to uh Robert Espinosa?

[00:02:05]>> I'm the ex-wife.

[00:02:06]>> All right.

[00:02:07]>> All right, just one moment. I'm sorry.

[00:02:08]On the back row, uh uh >> Robert.

[00:02:11]>> If you all could uh keep it down a little bit. Thank you.

[00:02:14]Yes.

[00:02:16]>> Um describe to the judge your relationship with Mr. Espinosa.

[00:02:20]>> Uh we were married for married for together for about maybe 20 years.

[00:02:25]Married 19.

[00:02:27]And divorced uh 2007, I believe.

[00:02:31]Um we had a very active life.

[00:02:34]Our children in sports and nonstop year-round.

[00:02:39]Uh very supportive.

[00:02:41]And um always there for our children.

[00:02:45]>> All right.

[00:02:46]Now, you know understand [clears throat] that Mr. Espinosa has admitted and pled guilty to the two charges that the judge described.

[00:02:58]Um >> Um >> What can you tell the judge about that?

[00:03:06]>> Very much out of his character.

[00:03:08]Um I I'm um a woman of faith.

[00:03:15]I believe in forgiving.

[00:03:19]And pray that he gets a second chance providing he seeks help.

[00:03:27]>> And how many children did you and uh Robert have?

[00:03:30]>> Two girls.

[00:03:31]>> What are their names?

[00:03:32]>> Genevieve Espinosa and Bianca Bondemer.

[00:03:36]Okay.

[00:03:37]>> And how old are they now?

[00:03:38]>> Uh 37 and 43.

[00:03:44]>> Thank you, ma'am. Last witness.

[00:03:47]>> Um I don't have questions for you, ma'am.

[00:03:50]Um Um, are you related to the either of the two victims in this case?

[00:03:54]>> Yes.

[00:03:55]>> Yeah?

[00:03:56]Um, and so are you aware of the specific allegations in this case?

[00:04:00]>> Am I aware? Yes.

[00:04:01]>> Okay. Um, do you include that he's has sexually assaulted at least two girls?

[00:04:11]Are you aware of that?

[00:04:11]>> I am, yes.

[00:04:12]>> Okay.

[00:04:14]And so you're asking for a second chance Okay.

[00:04:19]>> I think everybody deserves a second chance.

[00:04:25]>> Okay. So there's nothing that he could have done that would have prevented him from needing a second chance.

[00:04:30]>> What do you mean by that he could have done?

[00:04:32]>> If he's killed somebody, should he get a second chance?

[00:04:37]That's irrelevant. I'm a woman of faith.

[00:04:39]All right, that'll be sustained. The objection is sustained. You can ask your next question. I have no further questions.

[00:04:46]>> All right, any >> Nothing further, Judge.

[00:04:47]>> All right, thank you for coming in to testify.

[00:04:49]>> Thank you.

[00:04:52]>> Did you catch that? The defense witness just said a child sex offender deserves a second chance even if he killed somebody, and the prosecution objects.

[00:05:00]That's a huge moment. Legally, the judge sustained the objection because her answer was speculative and inflammatory, but emotionally, that answer just landed like a bomb. Here's a question for you.

[00:05:12]At what point does everybody deserves a second chance stop applying? Put your take in the comments. Because right now, we're about to hear from the defendant's daughter, and trust me, things get even more complicated.

[00:05:24]>> You can be excused if you would like to get to work.

[00:05:26]>> Thank you.

[00:05:27]>> Um, call uh, Genevieve Espinoza.

[00:05:32]>> All right, could you raise your right hand for me, please? Do you solemnly swear affirm the testimony you give will be the truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

[00:05:39]>> I do.

[00:05:40]>> All right, you can lower your hand for me, please, and could you make sure you keep your voice up so that the court reporter can hear. All right, if you could state your name for the record.

[00:05:49]>> [clears throat] >> Janet Jean Marie Espinosa.

[00:05:51]>> All right, defense.

[00:05:53]>> Yes, Judge.

[00:05:54]Um How are How do you know Robert Espinosa?

[00:05:58]>> He's my He's my brother.

[00:06:01]>> Okay.

[00:06:02]And he's um Your mom just testified, is that right?

[00:06:08]>> Yes.

[00:06:10]>> What do you want to tell the judge about your father?

[00:06:14]>> Um I'd like to say that my dad as long as I've been alive Oof. Sorry. Has been a man of service and always helping us and everybody in the community throughout our lives and I just believe that he is a good person and that I mean I'm very I'm I'm biased, I'm biased, I'm partial, I'm biased, everybody finds that I just really believe that he's he's a good person.

[00:06:49]>> Um do you want the judge to send him to prison or to give him treatment on some sort of supervision, court supervision?

[00:06:59]>> I believe that treatment is absolutely necessary and that um rehabilitation is really important and that he can still be of service to his community to us, his family and and especially his parents.

[00:07:15]>> Okay.

[00:07:16]What what's what's going on with his parents?

[00:07:19]>> Um they're getting older and um a little hard, you know, it's a little harder to do um I make visits, also appointments.

[00:07:31]Uh they're just with age in general, they're they need a lot of help.

[00:07:36]>> All right. Um Did your grandmother she have uh dementia?

[00:07:48]>> Mhm.

[00:07:49]>> Alzheimer's?

[00:07:50]>> Yes.

[00:07:50]>> And her husband her step not his father but her husband um do you know if Robert takes care of both of them?

[00:08:00]>> Mhm.

[00:08:01]He makes them lunch and dinner every day, making sure they take their meds.

[00:08:05]Always.

[00:08:07]Always there for them, making sure that they're adhering to their schedules and also his son too. So.

[00:08:13]>> Okay.

[00:08:15]Now you know that he has admitted to some pretty some pretty serious crimes.

[00:08:25]What do you want to tell the judge about that and what she should do to punish your your dad?

[00:08:32]>> He's a good person.

[00:08:34]I have not my entire life had any uh any bad experiences or anything of that nature, so obviously all of this was a shock. It's a complete surprise.

[00:08:49]I think that he will end up deciding his his his punishment.

[00:08:57]>> That's what he said.

[00:08:58]>> He said >> I have a couple questions for you. You said that he's a good person.

[00:09:03]>> He is.

[00:09:04]>> So you think good people sexually assault two girls over a period of 10 years?

[00:09:10]>> I think that good people can get into situations and I think that that can be rehabilitated and counseled and there are things they can do.

[00:09:21]They're not just going to get off scot-free.

[00:09:24]>> And you said that he's a man of service.

[00:09:27]Well, you can agree with me that things that he did to these two underage girls were not acts of service, right?

[00:09:35]>> I mean, I think that he >> Right?

[00:09:39]So you're asking him you're asking this court to give him probation cuz essentially what I have down I understood from your testimony is that he's a good person and he helped the community.

[00:09:53]Okay.

[00:09:54]But, you can agree that he's at at least ruined the lives of two people.

[00:10:01]>> He He can I can't speak on behalf of anybody else, but you were just asking from our perspective. This is my father and I would do everything I can.

[00:10:14]>> I get that. I would want my dad to go to prison, but there's a difference between wanting and deserve. You can agree?

[00:10:20]>> I agree.

[00:10:21]>> Oh, I have a question for you.

[00:10:24]Um briefly, you you had said he that your dad had helped the community. Could you tell the judge about that?

[00:10:29]>> Um he while we were in school through pretty much all of high school and while we were kids, um he always volunteered to um clean up our parks and clean up the school page and we were always there alongside um helping along with that. Um so, we have always been kind of driven towards um you know, following in in their footsteps and and trying to make things better, so I think I I I think he's the best.

[00:11:03]>> I was just asking how he would help the community.

[00:11:07]>> Definitely in those ways.

[00:11:09]>> Thank you, ma'am. No further questions.

[00:11:11]>> All right. Any further follow-up questions?

[00:11:13]>> No.

[00:11:13]>> All right. Thank you so much for coming in.

[00:11:16]All right. Defense?

[00:11:18]>> Um is there anyone else?

[00:11:21]>> Any other witnesses?

[00:11:23]>> That's it.

[00:11:24]>> All right. Uh is there anything you wish to say?

[00:11:29]>> Just say that I um I to to the >> right. Let me put you under oath. Can you raise your right hand for me, please? Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you give will be the truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

[00:11:40]>> I swear.

[00:11:41]>> All right. You can lower your hand. If you could state your name for the record.

[00:11:43]>> I'm Jeffrey Curtis Wilson.

[00:11:45]>> Okay. And what did you wish to say?

[00:11:47]>> Uh I just want to say I apologize to the victims and hope that they get back help and if I also need help, so Sorry about I did so I live with this every day.

[00:12:03]>> All right.

[00:12:04]Our defense.

[00:12:06]>> Thank you, Honor.

[00:12:08]Mr. Wilson Do you hate yourself for what you did?

[00:12:14]>> Yes.

[00:12:18]>> All right. Were you ever in the military?

[00:12:21]>> Uh yes.

[00:12:22]>> Okay.

[00:12:23]Uh what branch?

[00:12:26]>> Uh Marine Corps.

[00:12:27]>> For how long?

[00:12:28]>> 6 years.

[00:12:30]>> And then the Army National Guard?

[00:12:31]>> Guard for 2 years.

[00:12:32]>> Okay.

[00:12:33]And after you finished your service to federal government, did you uh work for the city of San Antonio?

[00:12:41]>> Yes, for 22 years.

[00:12:43]>> Okay.

[00:12:43]And what kind of work did you do for the city?

[00:12:46]>> Um automotive.

[00:12:47]Automotive clerk.

[00:12:49]>> Okay.

[00:12:50]What is Explain to the judge what that means.

[00:12:54]>> Um we would maintain uh city vehicles to be running 24 hours a day.

[00:13:00]>> When did you retire?

[00:13:02]>> Uh here in 2012.

[00:13:04]>> All right. How old are you?

[00:13:06]>> 65.

[00:13:07]>> Do you have any uh health issues?

[00:13:09]>> Yes, I have diabetes, high blood pressure, cholesterol.

[00:13:14]>> Okay. Are you taking medication?

[00:13:16]>> Yes.

[00:13:17]>> Okay.

[00:13:18]Now, what kind of diabetes? Type 1 or type 2?

[00:13:22]>> Um type 2.

[00:13:23]>> Okay.

[00:13:24]Uh has that progressed to Has it gotten better or has it gotten worse?

[00:13:29]>> I'm worse.

[00:13:30]>> How?

[00:13:31]>> Um medication I was taking wasn't doing doing its job, so uh I have to go back and have them reevaluate me for a better medication.

[00:13:43]>> Okay. What um what is your sugar level?

[00:13:47]>> Uh it's about 300.

[00:13:49]>> Is that normal?

[00:13:50]>> No.

[00:13:51]>> What is normal?

[00:13:52]>> Your level should be under 90 and 100.

[00:13:56]>> Um your high blood pressure uh you're taking a medication for that.

[00:14:01]What is what kind of medication?

[00:14:03]>> It's a lower my high blood pressure and the natural pills that I take also.

[00:14:12]>> Yeah.

[00:14:14]Do you also take care of your mom and her husband?

[00:14:17]>> Yes.

[00:14:18]>> How old is your mom?

[00:14:19]>> She's 82.

[00:14:21]>> All right. And um why does she need to be taken care of?

[00:14:24]>> Uh she's got dementia.

[00:14:26]>> Okay.

[00:14:27]And uh Who's the primary caretaker of her?

[00:14:33]>> Uh her husband I mean I shouldn't have said that, but I usually do most of the the the scheduling for uh hospital visits and doctor visits and all that.

[00:14:46]>> Okay.

[00:14:47]Um Well, and your stepdad, does he have some disabilities?

[00:14:53]>> Yes, he uh he's uh left leg is pretty much gone. He can't He has to use a cane or walker to get around, so it's hard for him to get up and do things.

[00:15:05]with any problem.

[00:15:06]>> So, if you were taken out of the equation, who's going to help your mom and her husband?

[00:15:12]>> Um I'd be my wife.

[00:15:19]>> All All Now, prior to entering your plea in this case, how much uh time in jail did you did you spend?

[00:15:27]>> 9 months.

[00:15:29]>> All right.

[00:15:31]When you finally got out of jail after the 9 months, did you have to wear a GPS monitor?

[00:15:38]>> Yes, sir.

[00:15:38]>> All right.

[00:15:39]>> I've been in August, I mean November 2020 to this day.

[00:15:49]>> Okay.

[00:15:50]Have you had any violations?

[00:15:52]>> No, none whatsoever.

[00:15:55]>> Now, let's go back a little bit.

[00:15:57]Um Who raised you as a child?

[00:16:00]>> Uh my grandmother.

[00:16:01]>> Why?

[00:16:03]>> Um my mom wasn't in the picture at that point.

[00:16:05]>> All right.

[00:16:06]>> She was uh uh I guess getting remarried and all that stuff, so I didn't have that much pretty much uh pretty much raised myself with with with my grandmother.

[00:16:19]>> Where is your dad, your real dad?

[00:16:21]>> Um supposedly in California. I have not spoken to him since we did uh Well, I was thinking 11.

[00:16:37]>> You understand that the only thing the only choices that the judge has are to just send you to prison or she sees fit she could grant you deferred adjudication.

[00:16:51]You'd have to register as a sex offender.

[00:16:53]She could give you up to 6 months in jail as a condition.

[00:16:58]She could keep you on the monitor for the duration of your deferred adjudication.

[00:17:05]Um Tell the judge what you would like for her to sentence you to. What should your sentence be?

[00:17:14]>> Um I would like to see if I could a preferred adjudication because I do need help.

[00:17:20]>> Help with what?

[00:17:21]>> Um, getting help with the trauma I had with the um what I had done.

[00:17:30]>> The crimes that you admitted that you >> Yes.

[00:17:33]>> that you committed.

[00:17:36]And how old are you?

[00:17:40]>> 65.

[00:17:41]>> [clears throat] >> Is there anything else that you want to tell the judge that I haven't asked you?

[00:17:52]>> I'm just hoping the victims get help.

[00:17:56]Um and that I also need help, so I'll leave it up to the judge to see what she wants to do.

[00:18:06]>> Possible.

[00:18:07]>> State, I have a couple questions for you. What specific help do you need?

[00:18:14]>> Just getting back to what what a normal human being should be.

[00:18:19]>> So >> [clears throat] >> you pled to an offense that happened in 2009, correct?

[00:18:26]>> Yes.

[00:18:27]>> Okay.

[00:18:28]And then in 2013, you were arrested for a different sex offense, right?

[00:18:33]>> Yes.

[00:18:34]>> Why didn't you seek help then?

[00:18:38]>> I didn't have uh the means to do that.

[00:18:41]>> But instead, you went on and in 2019, you perpetrated against another child, correct?

[00:18:50]So despite being arrested for a sex offense, you at that point didn't decide to address your behavior.

[00:19:03]>> No.

[00:19:06]>> So now that you are facing prison time, is now when you're thinking that it's the appropriate time to get some help.

[00:19:13]>> Um, you know, I think I have what that I want to just give it up.

[00:19:20]>> Okay, but you could have done that in 2013, right?

[00:19:24]>> Yes.

[00:19:26]>> And instead now that we are facing prison time, now you're asking this court to give you probation so that you can get some help.

[00:19:35]>> Yes.

[00:19:38]I'll pass, Your Honor.

[00:19:39]>> Are there any further questions?

[00:19:41]>> No further questions.

[00:19:42]>> All right, I just have one question uh for you.

[00:19:45]What was your thought process when you were committing these acts?

[00:19:50]Because I read and and you know, I always make sure I read everything.

[00:19:54]Because I want to make sure I'm familiar with everything.

[00:19:59]So I read all the stipulations and then when people come before me and I'm to do a sentencing, I read all the stipulations and I also read the uh PSI report that's been prepared for me. So there is one incident >> [clears throat] >> where you go to a store and you ask her brother to get out of the vehicle so that he can go get gum.

[00:20:21]And then you proceed to uh insert your fingers into her vagina while he's in the store.

[00:20:29]And so what I'm looking at is you had to know it's a public place.

[00:20:36]Who knows how long her brother's going to be in the store to buy gum.

[00:20:41]And you're having his sister remain in the vehicle. What was your thought process?

[00:20:47]>> I I happen to know um I had no I didn't have any have no thought on what I was doing. I didn't I know >> I mean you have to be thinking something. I mean I know you're coming to me and you're saying it was wrong.

[00:21:04]But she had to take off her pants because according to that according to what I read, you told her to remove her pants. So, at that point in time there had to be some thought process like how much time do you have to be estimating, I'm thinking, how long her brother's going to be in the store? Is there a long line? How many cars in the parking lot? Because that determines to me how long he's going to be online.

[00:21:27]First, he has to pick out the gum. When he picks out the gum, he stands in line.

[00:21:31]How long is going to take the cashier with them? How long is going to take him to pay? I mean, wasn't all of that running through your thoughts so you wouldn't get caught?

[00:21:40]>> Yes. It was in a public place, so there was uh people out there, you know, so I it was just I I I didn't know my my where I was at at the time, so >> Okay. It was just Okay.

[00:22:00]>> Let me explain.

[00:22:02]>> Anything else from either side?

[00:22:05]>> Ready for argument?

[00:22:06]>> All right, the court will hear argument.

[00:22:09]Uh defense.

[00:22:10]>> Thank you, Judge.

[00:22:11]>> Well, I'm sorry. Actually, it's the state first, and then state, if you want to reserve, you can.

[00:22:16]>> I'll argue first, Judge. Uh I I think this case is clear. 12 years is not enough.

[00:22:22]Um but I understand that is plea bargain that with the state entered into with this defendant to have these cases resolved, prevent two girls from having to take the stand and tell about the things that this man did to their body.

[00:22:34]We have three witnesses um including the defendant come here and tell this court that he should be granted deferred adjudication. He should be given probation because he needs help.

[00:22:46]Um number one, I think that's quite frankly a ridiculous argument when he was facing a continuous sex abuse of a child case.

[00:22:57]He could have received help then. He could have sought it out then.

[00:23:00]Regardless of what the allegations were, the truthfulness of those allegations.

[00:23:05]But instead, we have him that case gets dismissed, and then in 2019, he perpetrates another in against another young woman, a girl, a a girl within our community.

[00:23:19]Um these girls are going to be dealing with this, >> [clears throat] >> excuse me, for more than 12 years of their life. They'll be dealing with this for the rest of their lives.

[00:23:29]Because of this man's actions, because of his inability to stop himself, from his inability to seek the help to prevent him from perpetrating on children.

[00:23:41]He got the benefit of a bargain, and we're asking that he get the full 12 years, because we're talking about two girls over a period of 10 years, and the allegations made in of themselves are I think show that the terrible nature with they were committed, especially when you talk about them like the court pointed out, happening in public, happening in a park when he gives this young girl alcohol, um and then perpetrates against her, and then takes inappropriate photographs of her, then asks those inappropriate photographs to be sent to him.

[00:24:19]Um nothing's going to stop him.

[00:24:22]And so, at least for 12 years, this community can be safe from him perpetrating on another young girl, and from him perpetrating and ruining another girl's life, and every single life that touches that girl's life. So, we're asking that you deny his application, and you send him for the full 12 years, because he deserves every bit and every day of that 12 years.

[00:24:45]>> All right, defense.

[00:24:47]>> Thank you, judge. Um I certainly understand the prosecution's position.

[00:24:54]Um these kinds of crimes, can't justify them.

[00:24:59]Can't give excuses.

[00:25:01]And he's not.

[00:25:05]Um he did what he did because there's something wrong with him.

[00:25:12]And it is something wrong deep part of his brain.

[00:25:19]And I have seen treatment providers, sex offender treatment providers reform and get people to I'm not going to say 100% normal, but they have taught them how to not do that anymore, to get their minds off that. And they are subject to you know, you could give him 10 years deferred. All right, he's 65. He's going undergoing serious medical conditions.

[00:25:51]He's taking care of his elderly mom and stepdad.

[00:25:55]Um he served our country, he served our city.

[00:26:01]Um what he did is inexcusable, but he he you know, it's not like we have sex offender treatment rehabs advertising and putting billboards all over the city or all over the TV.

[00:26:19]You only really know about it until you really get in the system.

[00:26:22]And so we've we've talked about that. And he wants to find out what is my what what is my problem? Why am I like this?

[00:26:33]He hates himself for what he did.

[00:26:37]He served 9 months in jail during COVID.

[00:26:41]And has been under house arrest since then, judge.

[00:26:45]I think you can you know, temper punishment with rehabilitation in this case.

[00:26:52]You can give him 6 months as a condition, 6 months in jail as a condition.

[00:26:58]That would come up to over a year with the 9 months he did um for waiting awaiting trial.

[00:27:08]The sex offender treatment program in Bear County is outstanding. The counselors are outstanding.

[00:27:14]Um he knows he's going to have to register as a sex offender. We talked about the standard conditions of yearly polygraphs and treatment and counseling.

[00:27:26]And she he he wants it.

[00:27:29]And he needs it. If you just send him to prison, Judge I I don't know how long he's going to make it in there for his health problems.

[00:27:39]Um but he's not going to get treatment.

[00:27:44]They just don't get treatment in prison.

[00:27:47]And so we're asking the court for 10 years to order a judicial education.

[00:27:52]>> All right. Um Mr. Espinosa, I want to let you know that I listened um to the witnesses that were called on your behalf. I think it's um always commendable when we have people who are willing to come in to um give me another insight into you other than what you've been charged with.

[00:28:13]And I wanted you to know that um I appreciate your service that you've given to um the community >> [clears throat] >> um as your time as a Marine and also uh the work that your daughter said that you did in the community to uh help.

[00:28:28]Um in each of the cause numbers, the court is going to find you guilty. The court will sentence you to 12 years in the prison. Give you credit for any time served. $1,500 fine. Time and money to run concurrent. Each of the cause numbers will run concurrently. So 2020 CR4378 and 2020 CR-4377 are running concurrent. There's to be chapter 262 compliance in each of the cause numbers. And in each of the cause numbers, there's to be no contact with the complainants or the complainant's family. And I believe both parties are aware of those persons and I've included those names um on the docketing sheet. So, those names will be on the judgments and those are the names that are in um the indictments. Is there anything else with regards to sentencing from either side?

[00:29:20]>> Yes, we just have victim impact. All right.

[00:29:22]I don't know if the zoom is working.

[00:29:25]>> No one has zoomed in.

[00:29:27]All right.

[00:29:27]>> She said that she >> No No one's in the link. Just give me one moment. In each of the cause numbers, I'm going to show you what's entitled trial court certification of defendant's rights to appeal.

[00:29:42]Did you review that document with your attorney? Did you understand it and did you sign it?

[00:29:49]>> Yes. Yes, ma'am.

[00:29:50]>> All right. Because this is a plea bargain agreement, because I followed your plea bargain agreement, and because you waived your right to appeal, you do not have the court's permission to appeal. Do you understand?

[00:30:00]All right.

[00:30:02]Good luck to you. What we're going to do is I'm going to have you remain because my understanding is the state has victim impact, but that's going to be by video, okay? So, if you can just have him have him in the back and then we'll bring you out Mr. um All right. There's someone here to give victim impact to you.

[00:30:20]They're going to be respectful.

[00:30:22]I require everyone in the courtroom to treat everybody with respect. So, you can just listen to what they say and internalize it. You may begin with your impact statement.

[00:30:31]>> Thank you.

[00:30:33]Um So, >> [clears throat] >> um So, forever I was embarrassed and scared to tell anybody what happened to me.

[00:30:49]Um, I was ashamed for something that I shouldn't It wasn't even my fault. It was 100% his.

[00:30:59]Um, I tried to make up silly excuses growing up in my head for why he did what he did to me.

[00:31:09]And, um, I figured if I I did like nothing was happening and if I pretended like nothing was happening, then maybe one day it'll stop happening and it didn't. Um, because of him, I'm 23 years old and I still get nightmares.

[00:31:29]I wake up crying, screaming, sweating.

[00:31:35]Um, because of him, I do have diagnosed PTSD.

[00:31:40]Um, I was I had a hard time trusting other men growing up.

[00:31:47]When I met my husband, I had a hard time knowing that someone else wasn't going to hurt me.

[00:31:58]Um, in my nightmares, I had dreams of him showing up at my doorstep.

[00:32:04]And now that he's going to >> [laughter] >> prison, I feel some sort of relief that I'm not going to wake up one morning and see him at my door.

[00:32:15]Um, I was scared all men were like him.

[00:32:22]Because of everything he did to me all those years.

[00:32:27]And now because of him I if I I had to live with the guilt that if I spoke up sooner, he wouldn't have gone and done this to other people.

[00:32:40]But I didn't, so that's something I have to deal with for my life.

[00:32:46]And um because of the fact that he couldn't be a man, a decent person, or even a human, we're all here in this position.

[00:33:00]Him finally having to deal with the consequences will help put some ease on me.

[00:33:06]But I still have so much to work on when it comes to myself because of him.

[00:33:13]He took my childhood, he took my teenage years.

[00:33:18]And you know, now he's done taking control of a lot of things.

[00:33:25]Um I suffered too much because of him.

[00:33:29]And I I don't wish any sort of luck for him for the next few years, but I but I do hope he feels helpless and embarrassed.

[00:33:44]Uh I hope he feels shame um along with anyone who may have stood by his side during this time.

[00:33:53]>> [snorts] >> And I'm happy [laughter] this is the end.

[00:34:01]That's it.

[00:34:03]All right, thank you for um coming down.

[00:34:07]>> If you're not feeling that one in your chest, check your pulse. That survivor just said she hopes he feels helpless and embarrassed, not vengeance, not violence, just helpless. Legally, this is the closure the system rarely provides. And notice the detail. I have to live with the guilt that if I spoke up sooner, he wouldn't have done this to other people. That's survivor's guilt, and it's devastating, but it's also a lie the trauma tells. She didn't fail, he did." Here's what I want you to take away. 12 years for a 65-year-old man with health issues might functionally be a life sentence, but the judge saw the pattern. 2009, 2013, 2019, and the calculated act in a parking lot.

[00:34:50]That's why she denied probation. So, here's my final question for you. Do you think deferred adjudication should ever be an option for repeat child sex offenders? Yes or no and why? Comment below. And if this case hit you hard, share this video because conversations like this matter. I'll see you in the next breakdown.