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[00:00:00]Sometimes when you like throw a spear through somebody's heart, their heart stops.

[00:00:04]>> Like we die because sometimes when like a rock falls on your head, your brain stops. Like that's just >> I know. Of course I know. That's the way we die. I know that. But I'm like, who who decides? Who decide everything?

[00:00:18]>> Nobody decides. That's just how our bodies work.

[00:00:22]>> Our bodies rely on certain functions in order to continue to exist and in order to maintain homeostasis. And sometimes those processes fail because of natural reasons. Sometimes they fail because of non-natural reasons. Like somebody, you know, firing a crossbow bolt through your eyeball, like what it feels like is happening right now. Mirzon, how's it going?

[00:00:45]>> I'm good. How are you?

[00:00:46]>> I'm doing all right. Men, do you believe in a god?

[00:00:49]>> Yeah, I do.

[00:00:50]>> All right. And uh >> which god would that be?

[00:00:54]>> Okay.

[00:00:55]Uh it's Allah probably. Yeah.

[00:00:59]>> Cool. All right. So why should I believe in that?

[00:01:01]>> It's actually like >> Yeah. So it's simple argument that like do you think humans created everything which like universe or everything going on in the world? Do you think human created it?

[00:01:14]>> Do I think humans created everything in the universe?

[00:01:17]>> Like >> yeah like whatever the like no right.

[00:01:22]Okay. So who do you think it created?

[00:01:25]>> I don't think that some things were created.

[00:01:29]>> Okay. It was existing like that from before.

[00:01:32]>> Or in some other way.

[00:01:34]>> All right.

[00:01:35]>> All right. So the glasses you're wearing right now, do you think someone made them or they just came upon you?

[00:01:42]>> I didn't know we were doing a white belt.

[00:01:44]>> I'm sorry. Yeah. Okay. Did someone made it?

[00:01:51]>> Yes. Obviously. glasses. You wear obviously right. So, have you seen the person who made it?

[00:01:57]>> No, probably >> uh that made my glasses. Well, I guess I saw them put the lens in, but I didn't see them make the glasses now.

[00:02:05]>> Right. Yeah. So, the brand you're using right now, is it more complex than the glasses you have?

[00:02:12]>> Sure.

[00:02:15]>> So, how come you think it's not?

[00:02:17]>> I mean, at least for me. I don't know about everybody in this conversation, but go on.

[00:02:21]>> Yeah, probably. Yeah. So, how do you think your like what's more complex?

[00:02:25]Your brain or the glasses?

[00:02:28]>> My brain? Definitely my brain is >> right. So, shouldn't we think that the brain was also created by someone?

[00:02:38]>> No.

[00:02:39]>> Why should we?

[00:02:40]>> How come? How come? If your glasses are created by someone, the AirPods you're using, you haven't seen someone. The one who created My glasses, my glasses are not a brain. My AirPod is AirPods are not a brain.

[00:02:52]>> Not a brain, but they're the things in the universe.

[00:02:56]>> Yeah. So, there are lots of things in the universe. Some of them are created by people and some of them aren't.

[00:03:01]>> Exactly. So, humans are created by God.

[00:03:04]And >> I don't think that humans are created period.

[00:03:06]>> Created by God.

[00:03:09]>> All right. Okay. So, you don't think humans are created?

[00:03:13]>> Yeah. At least not in like the traditional sense of the word.

[00:03:18]All right. Okay. So, um Okay. Let me let me just ask you about that. Like, let me um tell you about the god only. Like, >> are you talking to someone?

[00:03:29]>> I was trying to get my cat's attention.

[00:03:31]You're good. Go ahead. Continue.

[00:03:33]>> All right. All right. Okay. So, my argument is that um if God like we call it God, we name it different things. Do you think human created the universe, black hole or whatever exist in the >> You already asked me that. Did you just like reset or >> No, I'm Yeah, I'm just going through like stepwise again. I need to ask that because I went >> I already answered it.

[00:03:57]>> So, you said no, right?

[00:03:59]>> Obviously. Yeah.

[00:04:01]>> Okay. Humans did not created it. Who you think created it?

[00:04:05]>> I don't think anybody did.

[00:04:09]Like, of course, everything is created.

[00:04:11]Everything in the world is created.

[00:04:13]>> Prove it.

[00:04:14]>> That's what I'm trying to >> I just proved it. You You >> You just proved it. Look at your Look at your AirPods. Look at your glasses.

[00:04:22]>> That means everything in the universe is creat No, you gave me examples of like two things that are created >> and then you assumed that everything is created. It's those two things are not related.

[00:04:34]If okay a kid in a mom's belly is also created, how do you think it comes out from like a childhood a woman is born?

[00:04:43]>> So you could argue >> you could argue that a child is created by that child's parents.

[00:04:49]>> That's something that you could argue.

[00:04:51]>> Um >> yeah, >> not probably not in the way that you would like it to be created because it's not like some intentional created from nothing. It's like the parents decided to like have unprotected sex and then the mother had to eat a whole bunch of extra food to like assemble >> uh a fetus from scratch. Like that's probably not what you mean when you say created.

[00:05:16]>> No, like a kid is created in the belly.

[00:05:19]Do mom and dad have >> Okay, but it's not created in the same way that you think the universe was created.

[00:05:25]>> But let's go towards humans first, then we go towards universe. Like let's not get in all into it. Let's just go towards the humans. How humans are created and then go towards the universe.

[00:05:36]>> You need me to teach you how humans are created.

[00:05:39]>> No, I want you to teach like humans are created by someone. Not like they're >> by their parents. When when a mommy loves a daddy >> and also the daddy loves the mommy, >> right?

[00:05:53]>> Usually it should be consensual. I mean, I guess it doesn't have to be, but that's no good. When it is consensual, then they both hug each other very tight.

[00:06:01]>> Uh, often horizontally and then nine months later, >> a stork brings a baby.

[00:06:08]>> Like, >> okay, >> you want the you want the explanation?

[00:06:12]>> No, I don't want the whole explanation, but you did quite well for the people to understand. All right. So what my point is that do like the parents have the power to decide it's going to be a boy or a girl like >> nope >> some of them decides >> so >> exactly so why don't we believe that they are created by someone and mom dads were also created by someone already and >> well look if the if the baby is created by the parents then sure in that way their parents were created by their parents parents and their parents were created by their parents and that goes all the way back to the origin of life.

[00:06:51]H >> how was the first human created then?

[00:06:55]>> I don't think there was a first human.

[00:06:58]>> Okay. You think everyone came at once?

[00:07:01]>> No. Well, I mean kind of. It was more of a gradual process. There's not like some black and white dividing line where here's where the first human was born and before that there were no humans. It was more of like a whole population change over time.

[00:07:14]So how do you think the world like the that population you said came like started? What's your definition?

[00:07:21]>> I mean like so I'm not a biologist or a chemist but I'm going to say chemistry gave rise to the first life.

[00:07:31]>> Keep talking. I can hear you. I just have to go grab something.

[00:07:35]>> All right. All right. So you think like the what two chemical mixed and a bunch of population came in the world? I think that probably the very first life was bacterial in origin or something like it.

[00:07:49]>> Mhm. And how was that bacterial life?

[00:07:52]You think bacteria?

[00:07:53]>> I think it came from chemistry. I I think it arose via some sort of chemical process >> chemical process and human came through that. Do you have chemicals in your body?

[00:08:04]>> Yeah. Yeah. We have chemicals in our body. You're made of chemicals. I don't know if you knew that but For sure. Like I I haven't seen this argument of chemicals by any other person right now. But >> do you do you know what chemicals are?

[00:08:20]>> Fair enough.

[00:08:22]>> Yeah, for sure. I know it work.

[00:08:23]>> Okay. So, you understand that you're made of chemicals, right?

[00:08:27]>> Yeah, we do have some chemicals in our >> Your entire body is made of chemicals.

[00:08:33]>> No, it's not.

[00:08:34]>> It It is. Can you give me an example of something in your body that's not a chemical?

[00:08:39]Okay, that's a whole different conversation here. The point is like as you're mentioned in the description, can you convince me to God? We're not going in towards chemicals and body, right?

[00:08:50]So, okay.

[00:08:50]>> I mean, you brought it over. You wanted me to bring it up.

[00:08:53]>> No, I was just asking and you told me like the mixture of chemicals and then we evaluate and everything came up with that. All right. So uh my point is that like people like what my argument is it's very simple that humans in the world right now there are some things that humans cannot create.

[00:09:14]>> Yep.

[00:09:14]>> Beyond humans power right like humans cannot reach outside the black hole or stuff like that for example I'm saying all right >> so there are certain powers that human cannot but there is someone who can and who created it. I don't think that there was a who that's involved >> then. Okay. There's no one.

[00:09:35]>> Yeah. I don't think that there was a there was anybody involved with creating black holes or creating uh you know stars or galaxies or atoms or molecules.

[00:09:44]I don't think anybody was involved in that.

[00:09:47]>> Okay. So they are existing there from long time only there. They were already created.

[00:09:52]>> Some of them may have existed forever.

[00:09:54]Some of them may have not. Um the universe may or may not have a beginning. Um >> then it started to begin. That means >> if the universe had a beginning then yeah there was a first moment of time.

[00:10:09]>> Yeah that means they were created.

[00:10:10]Everything that begins that starts that mean it's created then it's >> no there could be a first moment of time without it having been created.

[00:10:19]>> What's moment of that's going to be hard for you? The time when the thing is created. Well, no. I mean, you could have a pre spaceime geometric structure >> whatsoever it is, but it's still is created. We name it as created. You you name >> No. So, that thing would have never been created. No.

[00:10:39]>> No. You named it as first time. I name it as created.

[00:10:43]>> Well, no. There's a there's a first a first moment of time doesn't mean that nothing existed before it.

[00:10:50]But first moment of time for a specific thing means it is created for the first time.

[00:10:55]>> No, no, it doesn't mean that you can have a timeless state of affairs that give rise to a timeful state of affairs.

[00:11:00]But look, I can just assure you that given the conversation that we've had for the last, I don't know, 10 minutes or so, >> the conversation about a timeless universe giving rise to a timeful universe is probably going to go over your head. We probably shouldn't go down that rabbit hole.

[00:11:17]>> Okay. I'm just saying that like someone you name it as the first time I name is it created all right so do humans did not created the universe neither does like no human created universe or earth or any planet in the earth uh in the universe right not humans >> I've answered that question now twice >> all right >> I don't know why you keep asking that >> no humans >> okay no humans but Someone did. So we name it.

[00:11:49]>> I don't think someone did. People name it.

[00:11:52]>> Different religions name it as a different >> I don't think that anybody did. I don't think it was a I don't think it was a being that did this.

[00:12:01]>> It's not being >> I've now been over this like several times.

[00:12:05]>> Okay. So you're just saying that everything existed from before like from very beginning. There's no created. They were not created. Nothing happens.

[00:12:14]>> Yeah. Let's say that that's what I'm saying. Sure.

[00:12:17]Okay, that's like really not getting into my mind. What made you think that?

[00:12:23]>> Well, I don't think that you said that.

[00:12:26]I think that and I just I just agreed with you >> because you weren't getting the point.

[00:12:33]>> I I get your point. You're just saying I just explained in the simple words what you said.

[00:12:40]>> Look, sir. So So there are two options.

[00:12:42]one option where there's a first moment of time and another option where there's not a first moment of time. In neither case, do I think that there is a creation?

[00:12:52]>> So, you think everything had a first moment of time and that's it?

[00:12:56]>> Nope. That's also not what I said. I like I said there's either a first moment of time or there's not a first moment of time.

[00:13:06]>> Okay, I get your point. Like like you said about the universe. You said it was the first moment of time for the universe or for that or something >> or the universe doesn't have a first moment of time.

[00:13:18]>> Okay, that's your argument for that.

[00:13:20]What do you think of the uh things like in the universe or outside the universe that doesn't have the first moment of time? They're just there for a long time. They ever existed.

[00:13:32]>> Mhm.

[00:13:33]>> What are your examples for that?

[00:13:36]electrons or rather the electron.

[00:13:41]>> Okay. Electrons you said they like from there from long time >> and they were not they were not created.

[00:13:48]>> Well the electron we don't have any reason to think that the electron field has ever been created or was ever created.

[00:13:55]>> Okay. So you think nothing was created.

[00:13:57]Everything was just like that.

[00:13:59]>> No, I didn't say nothing. I said that it is possible that at least some things did not have a beginning.

[00:14:06]Yeah, they had some first moment of time you said.

[00:14:09]>> No, they did not have a beginning, right? The electron field might be an example of the kind of thing that doesn't have a beginning.

[00:14:18]>> Yeah. So, how come the universe is created but the things inside it are getting like first moment of time like humans like the water?

[00:14:27]>> Hold on. Who said who said that the universe is created?

[00:14:32]>> I'm not saying created as per your argument. You said that it had the first moment of time or it didn't. So we we came in the universe, right?

[00:14:40]>> Yep.

[00:14:41]>> The universe as well.

[00:14:43]>> All right. We have a beginning. We have first moment of time. We are born and everything.

[00:14:47]>> So how come like who have the power to decide in the universe? I'm talking about that we live in live live on earth. We breathe air and the fish are species inside the water. They >> nobody breathe in water but they cannot >> nobody decided that. Nobody desired about >> planets, stars, galaxies formed via >> natural processes.

[00:15:10]>> And some of these planets are suitable for life.

[00:15:13]>> Why? Why can't we breathe inside water, but the species inside cannot?

[00:15:18]>> Because we don't have gills.

[00:15:21]>> Okay, we we don't have gills, but Okay, we don't have gills, right? So, who who decided we can't have gills?

[00:15:29]>> It wasn't a who?

[00:15:31]Okay.

[00:15:32]>> Why do you keep assuming that there was a >> who? Why?

[00:15:35]>> Okay. Why don't Okay, let's not assume who then. Why don't I have wings to this fly?

[00:15:41]>> You have wings? Because you are descended from primates.

[00:15:47]>> Primates didn't evolve wings.

[00:15:50]>> Okay. So, why can't I breathe in water?

[00:15:53]>> Because you are descended from land animals. Land animals don't breathe water. Don't have gills.

[00:16:01]Okay. How does that got decided that they don't have won't have lens? They the humans going to bring >> There was no decision there. There was no decision.

[00:16:11]>> There is a way that the there is a way that things evolved. The process of evolution takes in essentially noise from the environment and converts it into >> local minima or we should say local maxima of the uh the fitting function.

[00:16:29]So there's no there's no decision maker.

[00:16:31]It's it's a process that takes noise from the environment and converts it into effective survival mechanisms.

[00:16:40]>> Okay. So does that continue then? Why do we die?

[00:16:44]>> How is that related to the question?

[00:16:48]>> It's related to the question. I'm talking about the whole >> die because we die because we >> we get born then we die.

[00:16:54]>> Yeah.

[00:16:55]>> So the whole circle we live, we breathe, we die. All right.

[00:16:58]>> Yeah, we do die. Yeah, we die because sometimes when you like >> sometimes when you like throw a spear through somebody's heart, their heart stops.

[00:17:08]>> Like we die because sometimes when like a rock falls on your head, your brain stops. Like that's just >> I know. Of course I know that's the way we die. I know that. But I'm like, who who decides? Who decide everything?

[00:17:21]>> Nobody decides. That's just how our bodies work. Our bodies rely on certain functions in order to continue to exist and in order to maintain homeostasis.

[00:17:31]And sometimes those processes fail because of natural reasons. Sometimes they fail because of non-natural reasons. Like somebody, you know, firing a crossbow bolt through your eyeball like what it feels like is happening right now.

[00:17:46]>> I know. All right. No, the thing is that I believe that there is someone who created cuz everything have a reason.

[00:17:54]Everything have a specific reason or we humans came to the earth with a reason that we going to live and the specific time for us to die whenever we get our eye plugged out or we just got something in our heart or whatsoever. But we have a time specific time to die. It's similar to the exam hall we're sitting in and we are writing the exam and in the end we get to get to a conclusion.

[00:18:17]So that's it.

[00:18:20]>> But who decides that you get an A on the exam?

[00:18:26]>> God at the end when you die.

[00:18:28]>> God. Wait. No. On the exam. The exam that you take in school. God God decides >> about what?

[00:18:36]>> About how well you do on the test.

[00:18:40]>> How well? Yeah. Exactly. You're getting there. That's my point.

[00:18:43]>> Who decides? Who decides how well you do on the test?

[00:18:46]>> The principal. And >> the principal decides.

[00:18:49]>> In this case, the principal is God.

[00:18:50]>> So the Wait, so the princ the principal just like the principal can just like give you an F even if you even if you pass the test.

[00:18:57]>> No, he cannot.

[00:18:59]>> Okay. So then he doesn't decide >> how you did in the test.

[00:19:02]>> He decides how you did in the test. He decides >> No, he doesn't because he can't give you an F if you didn't if you passed the test. After looking after looking at your test how you did it in >> So he's not deciding. The test is deciding.

[00:19:15]>> Yeah. The test is deciding the test.

[00:19:17]>> Oh, but the test isn't a who?

[00:19:20]>> No, you're not getting the point. The test in my example is the life you're living in. And I know the analogy goods or bad. I understand the analogy. I understand. I promise.

[00:19:30]>> Yeah. Thank you. So that's like exactly my point. The test is the life you're living. What you do in it, good or bad, the God decides you're going to hell or heaven.

[00:19:44]>> Okay. Well, I don't believe in that, God. So, >> I don't know why you're telling me this.

[00:19:50]>> Cuz I'm telling you, cuz everything have a purpose in life.

[00:19:54]>> Uh, just a quick quick question. Um, did the uh did the Holocaust have a purpose?

[00:20:06]>> No.

[00:20:07]>> I thought you said everything has a purpose in life.

[00:20:12]>> In life, everything have a purpose.

[00:20:14]>> But the Holocaust doesn't have a purpose.

[00:20:16]>> So, it sounds like you're telling me that the Holocaust is not a thing in life. You're telling me that the Holocaust didn't happen?

[00:20:23]>> No, it did. It had a purpose. Wait, I need to know about uh what was the purpose of the Holocaust?

[00:20:31]>> I'm not aware of that.

[00:20:33]>> Oh, how do you know?

[00:20:34]>> Can you tell me about that? What?

[00:20:37]>> No, I I don't know what's what the word you're saying. What's that?

[00:20:42]>> Between 1939 and 1945, the extermination of 11 million people, 6 million of which were Jewish.

[00:20:50]>> Oh, that Okay. Okay. All right. Yeah, I know about that. So it has obviously it had a purpose >> what was the purpose >> purpose of human being you know >> it was purpose of a human the specific person maybe we cannot name him here right now but it was humans came in the universe with a free will they he did a bad thing like whatsoever it's bad or a good thing whatsoever you name it but it's going to be in India and the earth is the test going on >> but what's the purpose what was the purpose of that happening >> maybe he didn't like Well, you're giving me the reason why, you know, Hitler did the things that he did. I'm asking what's the purpose?

[00:21:31]>> Purpose? It It was a person who killed the other person. It's not >> What's the purpose of it? What's the purpose of it?

[00:21:38]>> What's the point?

[00:21:39]>> Okay. If I >> What's What's the What's the What's the point? Like, what was the point in God's plan? Right.

[00:21:46]>> It was It was not God's plan. Of course, it's not God's plan to kill the >> Wait a minute. So, so there are there are things that happen in the universe >> that God didn't do on purpose.

[00:21:57]>> God gave the free will to people. All right.

[00:22:00]>> Okay. So, then not everything in the universe has a purpose endowed by God.

[00:22:07]>> God created human. All right.

[00:22:09]>> Okay. So, but just to be clear, you agree that not everything in the universe has a purpose that was endowed by God.

[00:22:15]>> I'm just going to explain it to you right now. I listen to your question, right? So, >> well, can you just answer it? Answer the question. That'd be good.

[00:22:22]>> Yeah, I'm going through it. You got to listen it, right? All right. So, the you said not everything. I'm not saying that humans have free wills. They came and God created them with the free will to decide what's good, what's bad, right?

[00:22:36]They have the free will to decide. So, Hitler in that case didn't decide what's good. He decided >> Okay. So, but but so you're still not answering my question.

[00:22:46]Sounds like you're saying, and correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're saying that there are things that happen in the universe that were not done on purpose by God.

[00:22:55]>> Things done by humans that are not done by God.

[00:22:59]>> Yeah. So, they're not done on purpose.

[00:23:01]So, they don't they don't they don't So, God didn't give them a purpose.

[00:23:05]>> God didn't give those things a purpose.

[00:23:10]>> To humans, >> oh, just a purpose. Whatever you think the purpose is a purpose.

[00:23:16]>> No purpose. The things >> the things that humans do.

[00:23:20]>> Mhm.

[00:23:20]>> Do those have a purpose to God.

[00:23:22]>> Mhm.

[00:23:26]>> God gave a purpose but it's on humans.

[00:23:28]They have the free will to decide if they want to do it.

[00:23:30]>> Okay. What is the what is do you think that purpose is something that exists objectively or do you think it's just like a subjective thing?

[00:23:42]Purpose is a thing that's given to someone. It's similar to a journey.

[00:23:46]You're deciding and you have a end mark and I tell you to go to this specific place. It's on you if you go left or right. If you go to it or you don't. I told you to go to that specific place.

[00:23:57]So it's similar in that God's case. God gave your life to decide okay that's your end here. You're going to die. So that's your purpose in your life. You whatsoever and it's on you. Human have free will to decide if they're going to do good in life or bad. And >> so God doesn't >> as per your purpose >> to things that humans do.

[00:24:18]>> God gave a >> God gave a purpose to every human like let's say uh it it's >> so what was the purpose of Hitler?

[00:24:30]>> Purpose of Hitler was surely not what God wanted. Of course he could wait people in. Well, no, no. I'm asking so God created Hitler. What was the purpose of creating Hitler?

[00:24:44]>> God created Hitler as similar to Exactly. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Humans were created by God. Let's just take Hitler as a normal human being. All right. Let's take him as like me and you or a new baby born tomorrow.

[00:24:59]All right. God created him as a young kid and he have a free will to decide what's he going to do. All right? So it's okay.

[00:25:06]>> Okay. So just to be clear and I just want to make sure I just want to get the concession here. You think there are things in this world >> that have a purpose but that purpose was not granted by God.

[00:25:17]>> No.

[00:25:20]>> There are things that >> So there's nothing in the world.

[00:25:24]>> Is there anything in the world that has a purpose >> but that purpose what didn't come from God?

[00:25:35]Sorry, what? I didn't get the point.

[00:25:37]Okay, say it again.

[00:25:38]>> Are there things in the world >> that have a purpose, >> but the purpose didn't come from God?

[00:25:48]>> Yeah, let's Okay, you want like from here?

[00:25:52]>> Okay, >> I'm glad that we agree. Not everything in the world has a purpose from God.

[00:26:01]>> Exactly.

[00:26:03]things that >> are that don't happen on purpose according to God.

[00:26:09]>> Yeah.

[00:26:10]>> So God just kind of like So in some sense there's stuff that happens in the world that is unintentional from God's perspective.

[00:26:21]>> That's what I'm saying. I'm saying >> so there is stuff that happens in the world that God wish wasn't the case >> for sure. So that and if God wishes they weren't the case, God's will is not aligned with the world being that way.

[00:26:36]And if God is all powerful human to decide, >> if God is all powerful, >> then what it means to be all powerful is that God can always enact his will.

[00:26:48]And yet >> God gave the free will >> and yet God is not enacting his will to make the world the way that he wants it to be.

[00:26:56]So either God is not all powerful or God has a deliberative process and sometimes does not enact his will which just means that there is a higher order will that supersedes it.

[00:27:12]>> Okay. Uh I listen to your point. Now my argument is that if we we just take one example of course there's lots of things in the universe going on. So we cannot conclude all of them. We go with one example. Let's say you you gave the example as you said above Hitler, right?

[00:27:29]So God created Hitler. All right. God gave him free will. All right.

[00:27:34]>> Mhm.

[00:27:35]>> He's the one to decide if he's going to like do the stuff in good ways like the good deeds or the bad ones. Right. He decides the bad ones >> and God cannot. So in the end he died, right? So God gave the free will to Hitler but he decided the bad one and he killed certain amount of people right so he didn't follow the path but God gave the free will in the end the god is going to be the one who's going to decide and going to be punishing him for what he did if it's against the god >> okay seems like you didn't address what I said but that's fine >> um seems like you didn't understood what I said >> you said that God gave gave him free will. He did a bad thing and if if the thing that he did was genuinely bad, God will punish him for it.

[00:28:25]>> I understood perfectly what you said.

[00:28:28]>> You didn't understand >> my objection to that. And the reason I know you didn't understand it is because you didn't address my objection.

[00:28:37]>> I did. You just said, >> "Okay, can you repeat back to me what my objection was?"

[00:28:41]>> Yeah. You said that God if God have the like power over everything then how come God like let's say example of Hitler he killed some certain amount of people that's a bad thing for us right so why didn't God like it was opposite to what God gave the purpose to him so why is God like let that happen right that's your argument >> no the objection the objection is that either everything has a purpose that God grant granted it because God is then acting according to his will. The world is in alignment with his will or God does not have the power to stop things that are not aligned with his will. So either everything has a purpose that God gave or God is not all powerful.

[00:29:30]>> God is all powerful.

[00:29:33]He can create he can kill a certain people tomorrow. If God is all powerful, then it follows from the argument I just gave, which again I I don't think that you're paying attention to. It follows that everything that >> is the way the or every way that the world is, it is that way because it is God's will to be that way.

[00:29:55]>> Yeah. It's the God way is the way God wants.

[00:29:58]>> It was done on purpose.

[00:30:01]>> Hence, it has a purpose granted by God.

[00:30:04]and now you're stuck back where you started.

[00:30:08]But if you don't like the Holocaust example, we can I can just ask you about the the uh bush fires in Australia in 2019.

[00:30:15]In 2019, 2.46 billion lizards burned burned to death as a result of lightning strikes.

[00:30:26]What's what was the purpose of that?

[00:30:30]Maybe different purposes. Maybe they were like harmful to different species.

[00:30:35]>> The 2.46 billion lizards were all harmful to different species and the only way to get rid of them was by burning them to death.

[00:30:42]>> 2.4 billion.

[00:30:44]>> Yeah.

[00:30:47]>> Are you sure about that?

[00:30:48]>> 2.46 billion. Yeah.

[00:30:51]>> All right. Okay. Go on.

[00:30:54]>> Yeah. They were burnt to they were burnt to death between 20 2019 and 2020.

[00:30:59]>> Yeah.

[00:31:00]So of course they surely had some purpose of them getting what was the purpose for sure.

[00:31:07]>> Okay we we are humans we don't have power to know what was the purpose of God.

[00:31:10]>> So then how do you know it has a purpose >> cuz God have purpose to everything.

[00:31:17]>> Oh if you just assert the claim then that's the argument.

[00:31:29]How do you know it has a purpose if you don't know what the purpose is?

[00:31:34]>> Cuz not everything I can know, but I surely >> How do you know that everything has a purpose?

[00:31:39]>> You made the claim that everything has a purpose.

[00:31:41]>> Or rather, you agreed that this thing has a purpose, but you don't know what the purpose is. So, how do you know that it has a purpose? Again, >> everything have a purpose in a sense like >> Oh, the claim again.

[00:31:58]What >> you you just keep saying the same thing rather than actually providing an argument.

[00:32:05]>> I told you like in case of humans on >> Yeah, that's why I that's why I gave you another example that doesn't involve humans.

[00:32:17]>> That's what I'm saying. Human don't have power to know every evidence God.

[00:32:20]>> Okay. So then how do you know that the things that are not caused by humans have a purpose?

[00:32:28]that God knows of course. How would you think that human being who don't have any think going to know?

[00:32:35]>> Why would you think that it's true that it has purpose?

[00:32:42]>> Cuz um it's God who created us. We have the claim again.

[00:32:50]>> That's the claim, right? So >> yeah, and that's the thing that you're trying to convince me of.

[00:32:58]That's what I try to convince you, but you're just like going to the other things.

[00:33:03]>> Yeah.

[00:33:03]>> But my argument is simple. My belief is that >> like >> But Miran, >> yeah.

[00:33:11]>> Who created the stars and the black holes?

[00:33:16]>> Gods.

[00:33:21]The quantum sage in the realm of science is over like he shatters limits breaks fears.