Former Raiders CEO Amy Trask Pulls Back the Curtain on NFL Front Office Decisions | Daily Flock

Added: 2026-05-26

[00:00:02]Hello, welcome to the daily flock. I'm Jason Lock Conor as always. My buddy Flocky says, "Call call. Hope everyone uh had a great holiday weekend." And as I told you guys last week, um we were going to chat with my friend Amy Trash here. Longtime president um and rightand person for Al Davis with the Raiders in Oakland in LA. Um, someone who I've got to know through my years covering the NFL. Uh, one of the smartest people, most brilliant people I've ever had the privilege of being around. We worked together at CBS for years. Amy is still at CBS in various capacities. You can see her on the NFL today. You can see her on u that other pregame show. You can see her on We Need to Talk. Um, she's um, again, one of the smartest people I have in my little um, I don't know, rolodex, I guess, to use an outdated term. And and Amy, welcome to the daily flock. Flocky again says call call. I know you're an animal lover like me. I just want to let you know I did all my research on flocky. I know how to take care of birds, even the electronic variety. So, all is well here. We check every box. And welcome to the Daily Flock, my friend.

[00:01:11]>> Well, thank you very much for having me.

[00:01:13]Thank you for your very, very kind words. Hi, Flocky. And yes, you and I are both animal lovers and we care for all sorts of animals. Yesterday I was at a family gathering and people made tremendous fun of me because when I saw a bee on someone, I just gently remove the bee and let it go outside. That's what I do, Jason. I don't smush spiders.

[00:01:35]I don't do that. I let them go back into nature.

[00:01:38]>> Amy, let the bees be. Let them be. Let them be. Of course you want to let them be.

[00:01:42]>> Um well, we were just chatting a little bit before I hit the recording button here and hopefully have everything set up the right way. Ryan, super producer.

[00:01:49]hopefully. Um, you were at Memorial Stadium for the Ravens first ever game uh in your former capacity with the Raiders, were you not?

[00:02:00]>> Oh, I was there, Jason. I was there and I have vivid memories and I carried on a little bit um as many have recalled. I don't know if you recall because you were at the game as well, >> that um we ultimately lost the game 1914. We had a chance to score on our final drive. I mean, we weren't right at the goal line, but we we did have an opportunity and in that final drive during one play, the Ravens had 12 men on the field and a number of us, we were sitting, as you know, in the visiting, by the way, the animals right now are carrying on. So, if just one flies across the screen, they're playing with toys. Um, so we're in the visiting staff area of the press box and there's 12 men on the field and I I keep saying 12 men, 12 men and all my colleagues are saying 12 men, 12 men. The Ravens had 12 men on the field, no flag. So we lost the game and I got over and I walked I got up and I walked over to the NFL director of officiating. As you know, there's always someone from the league office overseeing officiating. There were in those days at least. And I imitated Mr. Ed. Now, for those of you kids who are watching and don't know who Mr. Ed is, Google it. Mr. Ed was a talking horse.

[00:03:16]And Mr. Ed could count by stomping on his hoof. And he would count. And I walked over to the uh observer of officials from the league office. And just like Mr. Ed, I stomped my foot, my hoof, 12 times to prove to him there were 12 men. And I just kept saying 12 men stomping my foot 12 times like Mr. Ed. Didn't do any good. We lost the game. Congratulations, Ravens. You won that first game in your new when you were back to Baltimore.

[00:03:45]>> Yes. And a lot's changed since then. And I I'm trying to provide our viewers here with different perspectives, players, former players, current players, coaches, former general managers, and now the team president perspective on the Ravens from sort of 40,000 feet as they stand at a very unique time in their history. But Amy, I I I've covered this league a long time. I feel like in various incarnations when I talk about team presidents that people still don't exactly know what they do, what their role is and it's a little different in every organization and with Steve Bashadi kind of being on the back nine here I think team presidents really involved here but just in general what did you feel like were your responsibilities? Um are those responsibilities besides obviously letting the league know when they've streed you on an officiating call? Well, and I'm going to answer your question, but for all the people that are listening, watching, who are going to say, "Oh, Amy, get over it. It's been a long time." I know it was 1996, so that's 06, 16, 26, that's 30 years ago.

[00:04:45]I'm over it. I just have fun. This is the fun of sports. We can >> not be over things or be over them, but not be over them. That's the fun of sports as long as we do it in the spirit of good sportsmanship and as good sports, which is how I intend it, of course.

[00:05:03]Jason, you're absolutely right as to the role of a CEO or president. It varies from team to team to team. I will tell you of my experience and then share a broader view. Al Davis oversaw all of the football matters. So, while there were others on staff who handled football things, he had ultimate authority, and we'll come to that in a minute, but he made the ultimate call on draft choices, rosters, coaches. He oversaw very actively all of our football matters. I oversaw what we would call business, but I always find that a bit odd because our business was football. So, I oversaw the finance department and marketing, community relations, public relations, everything which wasn't football in nature. And because of our financial situation based on some decisions that Al and the organization made that was a primary part of my responsibility keeping us afloat. Uh as to ownership there are some owners who take a very very very distant seat and leave decisions up to others. They empower others. They give others authority and responsibility. But remember at the end of the day when you are the controlling organization owner of an organization you have ultimate authority and ultimate responsibility. So even with respect to those teams where ownership delegates authority and delegates responsibility it can be yanked back at any time.

[00:06:30]Ultimate authority ultimate responsibility lies with ownership or as the league explains controlling ownership because each team must have a controlling owner. In my case, the controlling owner handled everything football and I handled the nitty-gritty of keeping us afloat and things like that.

[00:06:48]>> So, the Ravens for years, Dick Cass was the team president. And even then, when when Steve Bashadi was more in the building on a daily basis, there were a lot of league meetings where the one person in the room representing the Ravens wasn't Steve Bashadi because he was in Florida. It was Dick Cass. And then Dick retired. The baton was handed to Sashi Brown. Um, we've heard Steve Bashadi himself say, "I'm kind of checked out now." He didn't interview all the head coaching candidates. He's in Florida more than he's in Baltimore.

[00:07:17]So, how much authority do you believe Sashi Brown has? Like, I kind of feel like Sashi Buck stops in that building on a lot of days with Sashi Brown. Um, am I am I reading that incorrectly?

[00:07:30]>> I don't think you're reading it incorrectly. And one note about Dick Cass, I loved working with Dick Cass. We over overlapped during our years in the league and I had a tremendous working relationship with Dick. Thought he was terrific. Think he is terrific. Uh the answer to your question is you know certainly responsibility and authority can be delegated and it's very clear as you noted that Steve has less of a role in the organization now than he did during my years in the league. Every league, there's one league meeting in a year in March where everybody, I'll use the word flock in respect of flocky.

[00:08:05]Everyone flocks to the league meeting.

[00:08:07]There's seven, eight people per team.

[00:08:08]They bring spouses, things of that nature. All the other meetings, which is really where all the big big work gets done, are either one per club or two per club meetings. So during my years in the league, the two per club were Steve and Dick. Um, if it was one per club, it tended to be Steve, then it was it could be Dick. It could be anyone the owner designates. At the end of the day though, Steve can step back as far as he wants. Ultimate authority and ultimate responsibility rests with him and it is Sashi now. You're absolutely right, but at the end of the day, it's Steve's decision as to whether it remains with Sashi. So, we're at this unique juncture for this organization that's been a lot like the Packers or a lot like the Steelers in that there's sort of these these heads of football operations, separation at church and state, right? You run the roster, head coach coaches those teams and those guys are empowered for a long time. We got to go back 15 years, Amy, for like Harbs, early Harbs to be cutting his teeth, right? to find a time where we we've got a and even then Azie Newsome was established. So now we've got Eric Dcasta who's been around the organization much longer than Jesse Mentor who's the rookie head coach. Um we've got Sashi who hasn't been there nearly as long as Dick Cass was. And they put together a staff that skews very young, skews very college and while there's that Harball influence because Menter was at at one point a Harball guy with both Harballs, right? Um, just what are your overall impressions of this new iteration of the Ravens brain trust?

[00:09:49]>> I was somewhat surprised when they made the decision to move on from John Harbaugh. Um, I understand the decision, but I always, as you know from our years together at CBS, when you make a decision like that, you've got to ask and answer the question and do what? If you're going to let John Harbaugh go and do what? And you had best asked and answer that question before making that decision or implementing that decision.

[00:10:17]And you'd best have an answer that you think at a minimum is as good as what the status quo was or better. Presumably Steve did that. Presumably he asked and do what and he decided the answer he had was at a minimum as good as what existed before or better. As to your question, as to where things go from here, the most important thing everyone in a leadership role in that building can do is work together collaboratively. You know, I echo my three C's all the time.

[00:10:51]They need to communicate. They need to collaborate. They need to coordinate. I throw in a fourth. Cooperate. It doesn't mean they don't. That doesn't mean you have to agree all the time. Disagreement can be healthy. Disagreement can be productive. But you've got to disagree with the goal in mind of bettering the organization, not promoting yourself, not advancing yourself, not scoring a win on a discussion for yourself. The individuals in that organization have got to work cooperatively and collaboratively and put the best interest of the organization first. And that's the path to success. Well, you know that and keeping your players healthy, >> right? Yeah. And and hopefully getting a good schedule from the league office and weather and all those things you can't control. I I've been around a lot of smart people throughout my reporting career and I've tried to be a sponge and and I've come to sort of um champion checks and balances and and avoiding extremes. And when I do look at the totality of this staff, Amy, there's two current NFL staffs that have no former NFL head coaches on them. One is now the Baltimore Ravens, which is odd because Harball staffs generally had three or four of them. Um, and the Miami Dolphins, who have had their issues putting together things that work, although I do really like the coupling they have now. So, that strikes me as an extreme. Now, last year, Jacksonville did that and they were one of the most impressive teams in the league and they exceeded expectations. So, I'm not saying it can't work, but things like that, if I was Sashi Brown and he was a part of putting it together, but if I was the team president, I might be like, like, are we sure that the coach's dad was the best person to put in the mentor role and not like Leslie Frasier who helped Mike McDonald in Seattle, right, when he left the Ravens Nest flock and became a head coach? Do any of those things go through your mind when you look at this and assess this?

[00:12:47]>> They do. But I also recognize there is no one formula to success. Now I made the the flip comment a moment ago about oh yeah and by the way hope all your athletes stay healthy because at the end of the day and you know this of course Jason you can have everything perfectly in place. You can have the right head coach, the right GM, the right coordinators and game one you lose your quarterback for the season or you lose your starting corner for the season.

[00:13:14]there is an element of you know luck or fate if you wish. So having the right people in place is imperative. But I really think the most important thing is irrespective of who you hire for each of those jobs that all of them understand they are employees of a business and your role as an employee of any business is to do your best for that business and to work with everyone collaboratively to do your best for the interest. Don't put your interest ahead of the the the best interest of the organization. You know, it always I should say I shouldn't use past tense. It always while I was in the league drove me nuts. It still drives me nuts to hear people who speak of team team when it comes to players on the field.

[00:14:06]Not recognize that if you're working for that organization, you're part of the team as well. people in a front office who will criticize a safety for not crossing the field to help out a corner who is having trouble covering his man or criticize a guard for not sliding over to help a tackle who was struggling at the line of scrimmage. Those can be the same people who would walk into my office and say, you know, I got everything I needed to get done today.

[00:14:32]I'm going to head out a little bit early. And I'd say, oh, okay. Um, did you walk by the community relations office because they have 600 gift bags to stuff. or did you go by the ticket office? Those phone lines back in the day when we had landlines, those phone lines are going crazy. I was just down there for two hours answering the ticket phones. Do you want to go help? In other words, when you are part of a team, it's not only the players on the field who are part of the team. It's everyone in the organization. And the reason I raise that is I think the most important thing for the Ravens is the same as for all organizations. every single person who has been hired in one of the roles you identified needs to do what's best for the organization, not best for himself and work collaboratively with others and that's the road to success and keeping your players healthy.

[00:15:20]>> So obviously things have changed around here in a lot of ways. Um I was shocked on initial blush to hear that the Ravens were willing to trade two first round picks for Max Crosby.

[00:15:31]Now, I was less shocked that that deal actually ended up not being fully consummated in the end, but that that was a very sort of um like Azie Newsome never did anything like that. They'd never traded one first round pick in their history, let alone to trade two for a player coming off injury who's, you know, on the wrong side of 30. Um your your reaction to sort of that that whole scenario? Well, I'm not going to weigh in as to whether Max was healthy, wasn't healthy, could be healthy in time for the start of the season or not because I don't know the answer to that.

[00:16:07]So, for me to suggest Max is ready to play or Max would be ready to play, I I don't know the answer to that. I do know something Al Davis told me for almost 30 years working for the team.

[00:16:19]The quarterback must go down and he must go down hard. Al said that to me throughout my career. He said that publicly. The quarterback must go down.

[00:16:28]He must go down hard. Do I think two, you know, do I think that which the Ravens was willing to give up was a lot?

[00:16:35]Yes, I do. But if Max was or would be in time for the season healthy, and if he could deliver a dominant dominant pass rush, and if he could make the quarterback go down and go down hard regularly, I'm in favor of a lot of compensation to get that player. But as I said, I can't weigh in on the uh health or recovery of of Max.

[00:17:00]>> But philosophically, that was a departure for the for the Ravens. No. Like Absolutely.

[00:17:06]>> as a as a as a a deal that became more hypothetical, right, than actual reality.

[00:17:12]>> That that that signal to you, hey, this is not how they've always operated.

[00:17:17]>> You're absolutely right. But I I also have a view about draft picks. The draft is not a science. You know, there's no Rosetta Stone. can't predict. There are men in the Hall of Fame who went undrafted. The draft is not a science.

[00:17:31]So, I am a big believer that giving up draft picks for a proven dominant player, I would do it. Now, again, I don't know about his health or what it would be at the start of the season. So, you're absolutely right. It was an aberration for the Ravens to do something of that nature, but do I think heavy draft picks for a dominant player is a is a good idea? I do. I think you take a proven player over a, pardon the expression, crapshoot. Yeah.

[00:17:57]>> With a draft pick.

[00:17:58]>> Yep. And expanding our purview here. I mean, we obviously are a Raven centric show, but we talk a lot about the division. I'm guessing you had a similar reaction to Mike Brown of all people, trading a 10th overall pick, which is generally that's incredible currency for them. you make that right selection, you're going to get incredible value in that rookie wage scale for Dexter Lawrence, a defensive tackle who's dominant when he's healthy but on close to 30. Were you were you were you sort of flabbergasted by that one?

[00:18:27]>> Um, you know, it is aberrational for the Bengals. That's for surely sure. But again, if he's healthy and and if he's got time remaining or tread on his tires, and I do believe he does, I think it's a good trade. Yes, it was a high draft pick, but again, I would take a proven player over a roll the dice on a draft pick. Um, but very aberrational for the Bengals.

[00:18:49]>> So, different times in the AFC North.

[00:18:51]Um, we are at the point of Oh, no. Go ahead.

[00:18:55]>> Yeah. I will just note one thing and I don't want to let me just tell you I'm going to go law school on you. I am not stating expressly or impliedly directly or indirectly tacitly or otherwise that there's any issues of health with respect to either Steve or Mike.

[00:19:11]That said, they are older now than they were 5 years ago, 10 years ago, 15 years ago. And I saw this with Al. As Al aged and near the end near the end of his life, people were very critical and said, "He's making short-term decisions.

[00:19:26]He's not making good long-term decisions."

[00:19:29]And I remember thinking, I can't say this publicly. I never would do this publicly. But he knew he didn't have a long term.

[00:19:37]>> My point being, you know, as you get older, you make different decisions based on thoughts about longevity.

[00:19:45]>> Well, and and we're going to get to Steve at the end and sort of the future of the Ravens because he is on record saying it's not staying in the family.

[00:19:52]I'm going to sell. and he's obviously closer to selling than he is spending another 10 years as the steward of of this franchise. Um, but we're in May, Amy. This is OTAA season, which is voluntary faux football practice season. Um, but when it comes to quarterbacks and quarterbacks who basically only have one real year left on their contract like Lamar Jackson and quarterbacks who weren't able to come to terms on an extension with the team before the start of the league year so they did a max restructure. I had this discussion with our friend Adidi Kinkoala last week and she was kind of like well you know Lamar can be murial and Lamar can stay away and and she's like what do you think and I'm like well I agree with all that but if you are going to hire a rookie head coach and you are going to hire an offensive coordinator who's 30 years old and has never called a play before and in the past under better times with Lamar the $750,000 to show up for 80% of the OTAAS wasn't enough to get him there and you really think it's important to get him then maybe it's incumbent on the team to go back in and figure out if there's a price point to get him there.

[00:21:00]Do do you agree with any of that?

[00:21:02]>> I agree. You know, yes and yes and yes and yes and and I will note that um meaning I agree with a lot of different pieces and parts of what you said. Um, it always befuddles me, maybe the right word, perplexes me. Um, when players, and it's not just Lamar, it's many players will walk away from, you just noted threequarters of a million dollars in that instance. Sometimes players walk away from more than a it's a lot of money even after taxes. And I always want to say to all players now, what I used to say to our players who were willing to walk away from money, don't do this. Don't what what are you gonna do with those days of your life that is such a value to you? Now look, if during one of the OTAA days you're going to have a baby, I get it. I get it. You want to be there when your significant other has the baby. Um but if you're just kind of hanging out, don't walk away from three4ers of a million dollars even after tax. That's a lot of money. Um, so I don't I don't understand the not showing up and walking away from that amount of money.

[00:22:11]Do I think it's important to be there, particularly when there's a new head coach, a new coordinator, and start both learning and leading by example? I do think it's important. And if the Ravens can do anything to incentivize that, to give a little nudge, to push it a little further, I think it's worth considering.

[00:22:29]But I also think players who have a contract, who can earn a lot of money by showing up, it look we don't even need to get to the issue of whether they should show up for voluntary if there's not a lot of money to be earned, but that's a lot of money to leave on the table.

[00:22:42]>> So, as it stands, Lamar Jackson has uh basically they converted his his full salary to the max bonus they could. So, he's gets the 52 plus million fully guaranteed. Um he has a $90 millionish cap hit in 2027.

[00:23:02]So that's basically not a real contract, right? That's gonna have to be addressed. He's got a no trade clause, Amy. He's got a no tag clause. And he's issued a trade request in the past that eventually led to him signing an extension. Josh Allen got done a year ago. No fuss, no mus, no fanfare, no back and forth, no is he going to show up for OTAAS, isn't he? How comfortable would you be if if you got air dropped into Owings Mills and you're you're going to help steward this franchise.

[00:23:32]How comfortable would you be with the situation with a two-time MVP quarterback right now?

[00:23:36]>> Well, he's a good quarterback. I mean, you just mentioned it. Two-time MVP.

[00:23:40]He's a good quarterback. And again, I circle back to my question of and do what? So, you need to consider that if you're going to be flippant in the front office, and I'm not suggesting the Ravens are flippant or will be flippant, but if they're like, "Oh, you know, we'll figure it out. We'll figure it out." Okay, he's he's got a lot of control under that contract, as you noted. And if you decide at some point you want to move on to from Lamar, you better have a better answer in mind.

[00:24:05]It's hard to find a good quarterback.

[00:24:08]It's hard to find a quarterback as good as Lamar. So, if you are not going to get something done with Lamar on a multi-year basis, or even a year in advance, a year in advance, a year in advance, you better have a plan.

[00:24:22]>> Like, if if he goes into week one and he's playing out this year's deal and he has and and there's really I mean other they either give him what he wants, right, or or they don't. But like if he's playing into the season under these circumstances, what starts going through your head as to where it's going? Like I've talked to Mark Leven about this. I've talked to Marty Heerie about this. Like they see two outcomes like he's either traded or you just give him everything he wants later rather than today. Do do is that how you see it?

[00:24:52]>> I think there's one third. I think there's a third possibility and it's going to depend on how Lamar syncs up with not S I N K S Y and what kind of syncing up he has with the head coach and with the offensive coordinator. if he really finds a a good rapport, a good bond, likes the OC, likes the quarterback coach, likes the new head coach, and feels like this is a place I want to be, that can change his view on wanting out if he does want out, wanting a trade if he does want a trade or wanting to maybe be a little bit more reasoned and reasonable with respect to expectations for a future contract. So, I think you have to hold your breath a few weeks, certainly through training camp, maybe the first couple weeks of the season, and see what kind of a rapport is developing there because that could have a significant impact both on Lamar's viewpoint, but also on what the head, you know, the head coach might want to walk in to some meetings and say, "Get this the hell done. Get it done." Um, but you have to see how that de relationship develops.

[00:25:57]>> Yeah. Um, and we'll see if if Lamar is present for some OTAAS this week. I certainly think he'll be around for some of them. Um, but they're not getting last week back. Um, Amy, uh, we kind of touched on this briefly and I think it's probably the best place to, uh, end me tapping into the incredible resource of knowledge and insight that you are. The future of the Ravens. Um, Steve Bashad, I think, bought in for 750 million originally. Uh we're waiting to see with the Seattle Seahawks fetch on the open market. A lot of people in the league have looked at Baltimore as being the team that might be next closest to getting to the market. Whatever t Steve's time frame is, we don't know.

[00:26:35]But again, he's he said that that's where this is ending up. Um I mean, is this a $6 billion franchise, you think? I mean, a offthe cuff value valuation, maybe more.

[00:26:47]>> Seven billion. Seven billion. Maybe more. I mean, they got another half a billion in stadium upgrades. They have one of the best practice facilities in the league. Um, what do you think?

[00:26:59]>> Well, a couple things. Um, I always laugh when I hear the word a billion when a friend of mine was a lawy a friend of mine who was a lawyer was in court and the lawyer who lost the case when the jury came in with the award, the lawyer looked at the judge and said, "Did they say billion with a B?" Um, so that's why I laugh when I hear the word billion. Um, look, team values have skyrocketed. You know, that's stating the obvious and skyrocket is probably an understatement. You know, people often ask me what I see as one of the biggest rule changes in the NFL and they're always expecting me to say something with respect to onfield play. The biggest change, an absolute paradigm shift since I left the league is the um allowance of private equity to purchase um shares of teams now. And you've got private equity now that will own a percentage of we have one private equity group that owns I believe a percentage of three separate teams which I just find very very odd. Um and it's it's not odd from a legal standpoint and it's not from a business standpoint. They don't have a controlling interest but it's just weird. It's a very technical legal term Jason weird.

[00:28:03]>> Um but the the values have skyrocketed.

[00:28:06]Every team is required to have what the league calls a controlling owner uh in some instances. is, and I won't get into the nitty-gritty of the rules, that owner is required to own 30%, there's other instances in which it can be 20%, but for the most part, it's 30%. Um, so when you talk about the value of a team, there's going to be someone who has or a group of someone's with one person then designated by that group who's going to be able to afford and want to purchase 30% of that team to meet the controlling ownership rules. So look, the the um the pool of people who can afford to do that, it grows smaller and smaller and smaller. My hunch is when the Ravens are sold, there's going to be someone who comes in for that controlling interest and then there's going to be a lot of ownership with respect to the rest of the interest.

[00:28:52]>> Yeah. the the league and the world and uh the the uh economics of it all have changed exponentially since Steve bought in to to help uh when he bought the Modell family be able to get this thing where it had to go.

[00:29:07]>> Yeah, I remember I was there when he bought in. I remember the numbers. I remember the discussion and I remember when people like Steve bought in, we were all looking around the room thinking, "Wow, that's a lot of money."

[00:29:17]And now it's it's dimminimous.

[00:29:20]>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you've got players who rightfully so, you know, are getting 250 280 million fully guaranteed to play five years of football. And to think of the investment he made is uh unbelievable. Absolutely unbelievable.

[00:29:35]>> And as you said, it's a magnificent stadium and they have a magnificent practice facility and they really did everything right when when they moved to Baltimore.

[00:29:43]>> And they they may be selling with a quarterback signed long term or or they may they may be selling under different circumstances. Amy, um, uh, let everybody know where they can find your content and also I know you're very involved in the big three and the big three has come to Baltimore in the past and so there we go. Represent representing my big hat. Amy Tras, what they don't get better combinations than that. So the floor is yours to um, tell us about and and also what you have coming up with CBS and everything in the NFL season.

[00:30:16]>> Well, I hope that you will get to a big three game this year. We're not coming to Baltimore this year. I think the easiest flight for you, Jason, will be if you want to come see us. You know, I was going to say Miami cuz it's closed, but get out here to Los Angeles and come be my guest at a at a RA at Ravens at a big three game. Um, we are going into our ninth season. I joined the big three with Cube and Jeff. The two of them founded the league. Season one, all we heard was it'll never last. It'll never last. It won't even make it through the season. Okay, maybe it'll make it a season. We're going into season nine.

[00:30:50]We've got coaches like Dr. Jay and Nancy Lieberman and George Gervin and Rick Mahorn. Um Stephen Jackson, Michael Cooper, and then the players, Dwight Howard's back for another year. He's playing for the LA team. Um it it's exciting. We start on June 20th, season 9, and that's a lot of fun. And if any of you want to find me, I'm on X and Threads and Blue Sky. And I'm a recent Instagram girl. I'm not so good at that yet. Um, but it's all under either Amy Tras or official Amy Tras on all the different sites. And um, I have a lot of fun on, you know, when um, someone at CBS Sports first said to me my first season, you know, would you like to um, join social media? No, no, no. I'll never do that. No, that's not for me.

[00:31:34]I'll never do that. Now, I kind of think it was invented for me. So, I have a lot of fun on social media. Well, we um wish you all the best on another big three campaign and I'm I'm sure you guys will be back uh much closer to us sometime soon. I would love to take you up on your offer to get to LA um at some point. Perhaps that will happen. Flocky and I have a lot of we got a lot of we got a lot of things to get off the ground here, Amy. But at at some point, if I ever am out there again, I certainly will meet.

[00:32:01]>> If you're ever in LA, >> yes, >> I'm treating you to ice cream.

[00:32:05]>> Thank you.

[00:32:06]>> I will be your runner. I'll do whatever you need me to do. And if you're ever in any of the locations in which we are playing on the on for the big three, you let me know and you've got courtside seats.

[00:32:14]>> I absolutely will do that. Um, thank you as always for making us uh smarter, for getting to talk about uh business of sports and business and the NFL with you. I am sure I will bug you Flock and I down the road again for your insight.

[00:32:29]Um, but thank you very much. Enjoy the beach. Enjoy your beautiful animals and um, we will talk to you soon. Thank you to everyone who Oh, sorry. No, >> I just wanted to thank you for It really is an honor and a pleasure to join you and I thank you for having me.

[00:32:45]>> You are the best. We appreciate you. We will be talking about the Orioles on Tuesday uh with our friend Mike Bordick drilling down on the many uh day-to-day roster issues going on there. My friend Dave Damashak will join us later in the week to talk about the Steelers and the rest of this division. And we look forward to you guys tuning in on the daily flock. Cocoa.