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Everybody, welcome.
I literally just walked back in the door from a soccer game. So, that's pretty that's what we've been doing this evening. My daughter, my youngest daughter who's six, had four goals. So, she is a little a little pistol out there on the soccer field. So, literally just ran back inside and got set up and and ready to chat with you guys. So, um welcome, welcome. Let me know you're here. Um, this is the time that I think we're going to do our lives every single week. Um, Thursdays around seven, unless a large amount of people have a have problems with that and then we can uh we can adjust times as needed. But, um, a lot of people were asking for a little bit later of a live, so I figured we would we would do that today. Hey guys.
Hey everybody. Welcome in.
So excited you all could join me this evening.
Okay. So, I want we have a few things to talk about obviously. Um I might give it a couple more minutes for for everybody to hop on, but obviously everybody kind of wants to know and talk about the FDA thing today because it just seems to keep coming. Um and then I want to talk about tracking a little bit and I I posed a um tracking calories, macros, protein, whatever. Um I posed a question in the Facebook group and you guys gave me a lot of really good feedback about that. So um we are going to talk a little bit about that as well. So um I guess we can start with the FDA thing. So um there was another pretty big announcement this morning or I guess this afternoon and and how it's going to affect us. Oh, there was another headline that I remember just remember now that I saw that I want to touch on as well. Um so essentially the FDA proposed today that tzepide, simaglutide and laboride be excluded from the 503b mass compounding list. This isn't like official. I think it it might become official in June. Um but they are proposed and it looks as if it's going to go that way. So like how does this affect us? I think that's the big question. Obviously, people are are wondering how that how it's going to affect us in the long term. The really there's two parts to this, right? So, number one, 503bs that are still producing um in power, uh that one apothecary in North Carolina, I think those are the two um that are still producing will not have access to the active ingredient to do so. if they want if they're doing it legally through their certification guidelines through obtaining the active ingredients through the API list, right? So the FDA has this list of compounded drugs, right? So they won't even be able to obtain the ingredients to continue making them.
And the second part to this is that if Tzeptide or Zepperic WOI, whatever were to ever go on the drug shortage list again, it won't matter. they won't be able to compound it. So, it's effectively it hurts us ultimately if you think about it because if if there was a shortage in a year again where we're we can't find our medication again, 503bs will not be able to step in and start picking up the slack and helping us.
Whereas, right now, if there was a shortage declared today, 503bs could instantly start producing under the law and help us all out. So, um, every week it's it's like every single week we had ProRX, we had BPI, and now we have this.
It's like there it's just keeps coming and I'm really frustrated with this, as I know a lot of you guys are as well. Um, but ultimately, like, does it change anything right now for us? No, it doesn't. I mean, all 503As are still uh compounding and they can continue to compound. Um, and the 503bs, there are still two that are compounding. Uh, ProRex is out of stock. BPI has a lot of stock, which another little update there. Um, Belle is very much so about to be the only ones to have it that BPI because Matt just keeps buying it. So, which I love. But yeah, so that's kind of a little update on that. I don't think that we need this doesn't need to be a huge freakout thing. What happened today? I I do think they're trying to shut down compounding. Um, and they're trying every avenue they can and they keep just trying something new every single week, but I don't necessarily think that it means that like it's ending tomorrow or whatever. So, I'm still pretty much in the camp of like if you have three to six months, you should be good is kind of what my opinion is on that. Um, I love that you guys are all saying hi to each other. That's so fun.
Okay, so we kind of talked about that.
Does anybody have any questions about that? um and how it might affect you going forward. I know sometimes people miss things or they don't catch it all.
Again, they're just proposing that those main ingredients be removed from the bulk compounding list, which means 503 B 503bs will have no access to the approved active ingredients to make GLP-1s.
So, kind of sucks. But, I mean, at this point, like the FDA is the pharmaceutical company is just, you know, pat in the pocket so much that it's whatever. So, if you do have a question, please remember to start it with a question mark so that I know that it is a question when I see it pop up in the chat. And don't forget to like the video. Um, YouTube likes when you like the video, so just hit the little like button up there. Um, I also wanted to um talk about there was another update on Empower Pharmacy. So, I don't know if um if anybody saw that this update, but there was actually a pretty big update in the Eli Liy versus Empower case from this. This has been going on for a long time, but this past week, there was a pretty big update where the judge actually threw out um a couple of parts of their case essentially saying that Eli Lilly has not proven that Empower has stolen their business. Um, and so essentially saying that they can't they haven't proven that to a point. So it was really good news for for uh compounding. So we have good news in the empower lawsuit, bad news with the FDA still being big fat turds.
So it you know whatever. Hollanddale is a 503A and if the 503bs are shut down, would Belle still sell the 503A? So yes.
Um, so Belle is the plan right now with Belle is that they are going to go through their BPI first. And as of the last time I talked to Matt, they were still like sort of all pulling from this shared stock of uh BPI stock that like all of the Tellah health companies were using, but that was very quickly dwindling and Matt was trying to purchase it. So that might have happened. um if it has not officially happened yet, they still have a lot in there's like separate little warehouse that they are going to go through first and then they have already partnered with three other 503A that Matt has gone and visited and checked out and all of the things and um Hollandale is one of them. Yes. So, um, one thing I mentioned this the other day, one thing that Highlandale did, and I'm not saying that any of the others are going to do this, that I know anything that they're going to do, but Highlandale actually used to be a 503b and they reclassified themselves. They stopped producing, kind of reclassified down to a 503A, and now they're producing again. So, I'm wondering if that's what's going to start happening with some of these 503bs. Um cuz do I some part of me is like why would they just lie down and take it right and and get out of the market completely when BPI in particular that's all they made like in that warehouse was teptide like they didn't compound anything else so I feel like they will find a way I don't know that but I'm just saying u but yesale um Belle is still using Hollandale will continue to use um now I do want to reiterate that Belle that Holland Ale bud dates are only 90 days. I had that question. Um Devon actually reached out to me from Belle and said that somebody had thought that I had said that they were 180 days. They're not. They're 90.
Belle palendell's 90. BPI is longer.
Okay. Just so we are clear on that question. Is this already I don't see the rest of your question Freddy. Um, Jeep Beach Chris, does Belle prescribe Troeptide to type 1 diabetics? I'm on Zetbound 15 milligrams. It is an amazing medication. I have lowered my daily insulin dose by 75%. I've lost almost 70 pounds. Um, so I can't answer that question specifically. I can find out for you. But I do know that if you on the intake form, they would ask you questions and before you ever got to a point where you put in money, like where you paid them money, they would kick it back if you weren't eligible. So, there's no reason why to not like fill the form out and see what it says because it does ask you a lot of questions about different things and different medications that you're taking and that sort of thing. Um, that would have been a really good question for for Dr. Taylor the other day um when he was on, but I will try and find that out for you. Um, okay. So, let me jump back to speaking of Dr. Taylor. A lot of you guys caught that live. I was very nervous to do that. Let me just tell y'all. Um, he emailed me the night before and was like, "Hey, I want to go live with you."
And I was like, "You're a doctor." Like, you know, I just I don't know you and you're a doctor and I'm nervous. Um, and so I ended up like binging his TikTok and watching all of his videos. And again, he's the chief medical officer at Bell, so I was like, "Okay, um, I got this." And I think I did a pretty good job. But that was a really good live. He wants to come on again. So you guys let me know kind of how you feel about Dr. Taylor, if you want him to come back on and answer some more of y'all's questions. maybe I could get questions for him ahead of time and that way like it's more like structured where I already have all of the questions um written down. So you guys let me know what you thought of Dr. Taylor and if you want him to come back on. Um but I really did enjoy having Oh Freddy, I did enjoy having him on. Freddy, I see your the rest of your question. Is this a guarantee or not of as of yet? It is not the the it has not been the FDA proposed it today. It's going to be like ultimately decided in June I believe is the date that I saw. Um but it's very much like even uh Sabina did a short on it and she agreed that it's very much looking like that is the direction that it is going to go. And the biggest unfortunate part of this is that if the shortage were ever to happen again, the 503bs couldn't like it literally stops them from helping in a shortage which is ridiculous. And what are we supposed to do at that point? like what it anyway, what do they think we're we're going to do about that?
Um, yes. So, empower is Moonchild.
Empower is a 503A and a 503b. So, Empower will probably just be like revert back to the 503A status and do it that way. They just won't 503As do have stipulations on how much they can produce in a day. Um he they 503bs and 503A like 503bs have the capacity and the distinction to make a lot more at one time whereas 503A cannot make as much just doesn't have the capacity to keep up. So it is unfortunate because these 503bs were supplying much of the telealth space their their medication and now the 503As are going to have to pick up all of that slack and I that's why I like to say like three to six months on hand probably three is okay. um right now because as these 503bs exit the space and as their stock runs out, there's going to be like the 503As are going to have to figure out how to catch up. Um yes, bring him back. Yes, more Dr. Taylor. Okay, he uh texted me earlier.
He was he text me when he got off work earlier. Um because he does actually still work at a hospital as well. I think Matt told me he was going to be at the hospital till July and then like fully doctors work under contracts apparently. But anyways, um he texted me earlier and was like, "Hey, I'd love to do another live again next week." So, I I'm sure he will be very happy to know that you guys would love for him to come back. Um I was really impressed with his interview as well. I thought that he was really easy to talk to and he was really good at responding in ways that we could understand. I I felt like there was only a few times when he said words that I didn't know that what he was talking about um where, you know, some doctors just you have no clue what they're saying. I thought he explained things really, really well. So, I agree.
Yeah. Yeah, Christina, that's literally what I just said. Okay. Yeah. So, I will um I will definitely have Dr. Taylor back on. I agree. 20 Farm, he seemed like a very good human. I agree.
Absolutely, 100%. And I want to say to the community as well, there were some topics within that video, some questions that were brought up that, you know, are more controversial. And I just want to say, and I've already emailed the other the person about this, but I just want to say that like the way that the community was just so like supportive around that and the way that Dr. Taylor responded to the questions. What made me so happy, like so proud, and that's what I told Natalie, like so proud that the safety was there and the comfort and the space to ask the questions was there. And I just wanted to if you you have no idea what I'm talking about if you didn't watch that live, but like I want to thank if you were watching it, you all for the way that that whole thing was and unfolded. I thought it was just amazing.
Um, yeah. Okay. So, lots of people saying we love Dr. Taylor. Okay. We We will have Dr. Taylor back on.
So, I was not the only one that noticed that.
Patricia, what what what did you notice?
We couldn't tell that you were nervous.
You were great. Dr. Taylor seemed knowledgeable.
What What did you notice, Patricia, that happened?
Um, he did not touch on the MC B12. I actually thought about that after the fact. So, I will write that down. That is something that we will we'll talk to about him. I actually am going to be ordering some of that for Chris. Chris wants to try MC B12. So, we're going to be trying that as well. And I'm trying glutathione. And I was even looking at some more. Um I don't want to add too much at one time, but for sleep because I have sleep and I didn't realize that it was like for restorative sleep. I probably would have gone with that one first if I had, but um I might eventually try that at some point as well.
Okay, I'm going to pause on questions for a minute and kind of remember to say what I want to say and then we will get back to the questions. So, I stopped.
Let me look. I stopped with Patricia.
Okay.
Um, okay. So, I talked about empower. Okay. So, the tracking, let's talk about tracking for a little bit and then we will get back to all these questions. Put a question mark. I will get back to them after we talk a little bit about tracking and we will answer all of the questions about everything. Um um I just saw Pep with Pam your comment calling him cute. It It's funny because when I was I'm gonna say this and then I'll be done with this for now, but I was messaging some of the other Belle girls. We have a little group chat with a few of us and I was messaging them and I was like I'm so nervous. Like I don't know like what do I ask him yada yada and one of the other girls was like and why does he have to be cute? And I was like I know like why he's got to be a cute doctor like not just a doctor a cute one. Okay. Anyway, um Okay. So, tracking. So, I posed a question in the Facebook group today and it was basically like, "Hey, do you track? Do you not track?" Because I wanted to get a feel of what the community was doing.
You guys all know that I don't track. Um but I wanted to know like what the consensus was, right? So, 38% of you said that no, you do not track in any way, shape, or form. Okay? 30% of you said yes that you do. Now, this was the interesting part. The remaining 32% of people actually added their own tiers to the poll, right? So, there were I track protein. There was one that was like I track protein fruits and vegetables. Uh there was one that said I count my macros. So, lots of people are doing very different things. And why I'm interested in this, I I'm always interested to see what other people do, but one thing that I think this shows like over, you know, tracking, not tracking, GLP1's, losing weight without a GLP1, whatever. Um, I'd be too concerned I was undereating if I Yeah, I So, that's one. I was talking to a friend about this recently about the whole tracking thing and and why people don't track or why they do track. And one of the big things that was brought up, especially with those that are on a GP1, was tracking on tracking so that you can make sure you're eating enough food. And so then I got to thinking what amount of people that I talk to every day and that I tell every day like okay you're having this side effect is you're not eating and you're fainting because you're not eating and you're not losing weight because you're not eating like that there is very much so a space for both ends. Right? So like tracking because you need to track because you might eat too much or tracking because if you don't track you're not going to eat enough food. But then you could also see this is how my brain works. Then you could also argue that the people that have to track just so they don't eat so that they eat enough are on like too high of dose or something. So if you want to drop feedback about that, I would love that um to kind of know like what you what you guys think. Oh, Sue said, "I agree.
Proud of us." Yes, we were wonderful.
Um, I love how you and the doctor were so open to the questions about trans care.
Love to see this. Yes, Kevin. That's ex That's exactly what I was talking about.
I wasn't going to come out. I mean, I figured that you had seen it. Um, I have been messaging back and forth with Natalie for a long time. I told her that I'm so grateful that she feels safe to come on and ask these questions because I know that that is not always a safe space for people and I want everybody to be safe here. So, the fact that she felt safe to ask those questions, that Dr. Taylor asked them in such a one or responded to them in such a positive, wonderful way, it was just all great. I loved all of it.
Um, okay. So, Heidi said, "I'd be too Okay, so Heidi says, "I'd be too concerned I was undereating or overeating if I didn't track." So, Heidi, you and I interviewed and we we talked a lot about this about how you even when you were adding more food back in for maintenance, you still tracked it. So, you know, instead of eating the example you gave was half a thing of quinoa, you or a quarter of a thing of quinoa, you ate half of the thing of quinoa and you just added it more, but you were still tracking everything. Um, I think that sometimes I can be biased about tracking because it does so much negatively affect me mentally. Um, that I think that it I don't some I mean that's a fault of mine like I don't always hold space for other people to understand that what other people need.
And so I'm trying to be better about that. And I've watched some videos that I've watched back some of my videos. I'm like, well, I don't need to be so harsh about the tracking thing because I know I in my mind I know that everybody's different and needs different things.
And that's kind of why I wanted to bring up the topic of this today so that other people could share why they track or why they choose to or or whatever. And again, know that what however you do it or however you need to do it is right for you. no longer tracking because I'm in maintenance.
So, MNHS dance team, I tracked for two months and then stopped. Yeah. I mean, that's kind of how I was in the beginning. I tracked for the first like two to three months of I would even say three months, probably two months of my journey just because I was so used to tracking calories like my whole life.
Um, and but then I stopped doing it. But like I was telling Heidi in our interview, which you guys will see that I think next week. Um, even now I say I don't track, right? But I eat the same things all the time. Like there's two or three lunches that I have. There's four or five dinners that I eat, right? I eat the same things all the time and I know what's in them. So, am I still in some way tracking without like actually physically sitting or counting calories? Like we might not be tracking, but in some way I think we have a grasp of what we're eating, you know? Um, people also aren't aware of how much they actually eat or don't eat. Yeah, that's a great point. I mean, it's a great point. Um, one thing with like when you're you hit a plateau or you're not losing weight is like tracking for a couple of weeks to see like and then tracking like literally everything you put in your mouth, right? Condiments add up, drinks add up, you know, all the things add up. Um, hi to everyone. Sorry I'm a little late.
Okay, so SS says, "I missed the poll, but I don't track. I've spent my whole life dieting, and I'm feeling so free on Mjaro. I do focus on protein and fiber.
I've been in maintenance since November of last year." So Sarah, yeah, Sarah, that's kind of how I am. I spent my whole life like controlling that aspect of myself and it never worked. Like I'd always go against it. I'm a rebel and I would always go against whatever and I was doing and sabotage myself. Like literally, I would do better not tracking than I would tracking because I would self-sabotage. Same thing with like budgeting for me. If I budget, I self-sabotage every single time. Like I feel like, oh my gosh, I can't spend any money and then I go spend all of the money. Whereas if I don't budget, I don't even think about it and I don't obsess about it. It's the same thing with food for me. Um, and that might be some type of like mental disorder that your girl has. I don't know. Or it could go back to my like OCD that we all know I have. Um, but for me mentally it makes more sense to not track. But for people who aren't mentally crazy like me, maybe it makes sense to track.
Okay. I never track and I never stalled.
That's awesome. See, I think it's just different for everybody, you know. So, Pep with Pam says, "I started out not tracking, but I had to start tracking because I was so tired and found out I wasn't eating enough." Yeah, that I I think that definitely deserves space in the discussion like not just tracking to not overeat.
More specifically tracking on GLP1s to make sure that you don't undereat. Um just Sherry said, "I track macros, calories, water, steps, and exercise. I try to give myself off on Saturdays. I can't seem to stop. I've been tracking for four years. I'm in maintenance and still can't seem to stop." Like, do you think it's a a a mental thing? Right.
Like I think the part of okay so here's what my non-medical background in this way self thinks about this okay we have been told for our entire lives that like calories mattered so much right so like the amount of calories you put in your body is the only thing that matters in terms of losing weight right and so we've been so fixated on how much calories are in every single thing and we grew up watching our parents our moms look at every single calorie and counting every single calorie and weighing their food and doing all the things. And I think it's just so ingrained in us mentally that we can't stop doing it. And it it's sad that like I don't know. I like to say that like it's not sad because again people need it, right? But like like 100 years ago they weren't tracking calories, you know? It's they weren't meant but they also weren't exposed to the crap that we are exposed to in our environment now. Like they they ate meat that they hunted in 100 years ago, 150 years ago. They ate meat that they hunted. They ate vegetables that they grew in their backyard. They drank milk that they moved from their cows. You know, they they didn't have all the processed crap. And I think that is a very pertinent part of the conversation as well.
So, um, let's see here. I have no interest in tracking, but I probably should.
Yeah, I'm I have zero interest in ever tracking another calorie in my entire life. What are calories? I don't want to know. I don't want to talk about them. I don't count calories formally either, but I'm also in maintenance and do weigh several times a week to stay in check. I also routinely eat the same meals. Yeah.
So, I think that a lot of us are in some way tracking, right? even though we say we're not tracking because I mean I could still probably tell you how many calories are in so many different foods just from so many years of calorie count and I know you guys all can too.
Um will you ask to Dr. Taylor okay let me write this down so I don't your comment silly me doesn't get lost in this but you said will you ask Dr. Taylor to discuss DSIP versus Samorland. So, um, if you are not if you did not go and follow Dr. uh, Taylor's Tik Tok, he has a it's just Pat Taylor MD, I'm pretty sure, is his Tik Tok. He talks about a lot of peptides over there like peptides specifically in me menopause ones that he is using within his his career now and like prescribing actively for menopause of women. He talks about a lot of those and I feel like I've seen one about this one. So I will write that down to talk about on the next uh live. But if you want some more like fast answers, he has a lot of really informative Tik Toks.
Like the man is very very smart.
Um, I have tracked for so many years that I have stopped and I know I should get back.
Yeah, tracking was my training wheels to just get calibrated and learn my new normal.
If I get a stray, I can always go back.
That's that's a great way to look at it.
Like if I ever need to track, it's kind of how I look at like higher doses of teptide. If I ever need 15, then I can reach for that. Like it's a good tool to have in your toolbox for the situations and for the time periods that you need them. But do I think that like anybody should be tracking for the rest of their lives?
I don't know. Like I I find that uncomfortable for for me at least.
Oh, Freddy said, "Hollandale Pharmacy is great. I have a family member that works for Hollandale. She's a pharmacist. I'm not worried about the new bud dates.
Nothing has changed from the old vials."
Yes, Freddy. So, I mentioned this a little while ago, but yeah. So, essentially, they went from being a 50 or 3B to being a 50 or 3A. And 50 or 3A can have 90day, sometimes 120day buds.
So, literally, they took the exact same formulation, the exact same way they were making the medicine, and slapped 90-day buds on it. So, take that with what you will. But yes, Freddy, I kind of Yeah, I agree.
Okay, let me scroll back up a little bit here because I think I did miss a couple of questions when we um yeah, lots of praise for Dr. Taylor. I'm really um yeah, I agree. I will I will have him back on. Oh, so Kimberly said, "I ordered three months supply from Belle during the sale and decided to keep my subscription, so I'm due for another shipment in July. Is it possible to move that order up to create backstock?"
Kimberly, I believe that you can. Yes, I think you can order ahead. From what Matt said in one of the lives that he hopped on and was joining us in, um, you can do as long as the first order has been delivered, I believe that you can order more. So, um, I would go in. I don't know if you can do it online. I don't know if that's something you have to reach out. I haven't tried to do it for myself. Um, because I ended up we ended up ordering some for Chris. So, I you could join ask in the portal, but I have heard of several people doing it.
Um, lots of people saying they were proud of of the community and how they all handed Natalie's questions. I love that. Mitsu says, "Every single day, I'm grateful I made the jump to Belle. My shirts I haven't because I still the whole process thanks to you and Belle was terrific." I agree. Like I again I made a post in the Facebook group today where I kind of was I I did end up moving Belle to being my like first one in my link tree and there's so many so much about that but like the top things are the way that I feel like they handle you guys in your questions and the way that they respond to problems if there was even a a problem. They fix it quickly and they fix it more than they had to fix it.
Like I have a a lady on TikTok who had been waiting for a few weeks because she was in that simaglletide shortage thing.
She ended up getting like refunded and then they still shipped her medicine, but she had waited a few weeks, but she kind of got lost in the shuffle. Um, but just the way that they handle you guys and the way that they're so fast and so responsive, I moved them to my first thing. Um, I've even told Matt that if they could figure out a starter pack for me, then yeah. Okay, leave that at that.
Um, sorry to have missed it. I'll have to go back and check it out. Yes, please go watch Dr. Taylor's interview if you missed it. He is amazing.
Um, your interview was amazing and perfectly executed. I would love to hear more about Samorland. Yeah, we can definitely have him on to talk about Samorland. I think that's one that I definitely want to to get on.
I never tracked but now I'm plateaued for a year. Yeah. So Teresa, you would be a perfect example of somebody that could track and it could be helpful for, right? So you have been plateaued for a year, then yeah, like something that you're currently doing is not working, right? Like plateauing for a year is a really long time. So yeah, track for a little while. Um, I think the benefit of tracking is like, you know, like if you go see a nutritionist, they'll tell you to track but not change anything. um like you you don't have to alter your food or whatever during that two week period. You're just supposed to write it down just like get an actual grasp on what you are eating and then you take that information and you alter it based off of that. You're a perfect person to try that on. So yeah, definitely.
Let's see here.
The chat's jumping around a little bit.
I could stop tracking if I didn't tweak meals when I get bored. Yeah, I don't get bored off meals though, Heidi. Like, I literally could eat the same thing every single day and never get bored.
It's just how I am. Like, food I don't I don't think I was always like that before GLP1, but um it's I eat the same things all the time. And I' that's why like sometimes I'm like my whatn not eating days are so boring because I eat the same meals all the time. all the time. Um, I do think I eat better nutrition when you track, which which is good. Okay. Love the lives.
Love the lives. Um, okay. So, Rose says, "I think that I will step back down to five because I'm not able to eat enough.
I'm team Britney and that I don't want to track." Yeah, I think that if you're not able like if you can't eat more than a thousand calories a day, like I to me that's a sign that you're on too high of a dose. And I'm not a doctor, but like I don't want to be repulsed by food. Like that for me is not the goal. So yeah.
Yeah. So a lot of people are saying that they track before they they track so that they don't undereat. Okay. So Kim um said about ordering again. She said they moved my order up through the text chain we have.
Yeah. So, they do text me. They always text me and like ask me how my how I'm doing. But through the portal, you can message them as well. You can mess I think customer service and the doctor um and talk to them. I'm tracking calories.
They move. Okay. They Yeah, amazing customer service. I agree.
I agree. I I have never been happier about a decision like I mold over it for so long. long. I know I've said this 500 times, but I'm mowled over it for so long and then when I did it and it's just been such a great response. It's it's been the best choice that I feel like I've brought to the community in a really long time is Bill and I am nothing. Even yesterday after the interview with Dr. Taylor, I guess they were watching because um the CEO who was not Matt's the chief operational officer or something, I don't know, the CEO who I had never talked to um sent me a message in their little chat thing and was like, "Hey, we've not been formally introduced, but I watched your live." I was like, I got to I got to get out of here. I'm just these people know too much about me. Um but yeah, way too much way great customer service. Yeah. So, okay. So, tracking seems very um mixed reviews here. We are seeing a lot of really mixed reviews, but also very good reasons for tracking and for not tracking. Um so, yeah. I don't know.
Interesting.
It's interesting that we're all still so different. Dr. Taylor was wonderful and explaining things so simply for me.
Yeah, I agree. We're going to have him on. Dr. Taylor will be back. I will text him after this and be like, "Hey, we talked about you. They love you. You can come on anytime." Cuz they love you and they think you're cute. That's what I'll say. Um, I had warned him beforehand.
This is funny because when the first time Matt hopped on and he was just in the chat like he wasn't on a on here, right? The first time he hopped on, he texted me afterwards. He was like, "Oh my gosh, that was intense." I was like, "They got questions. I want answers."
Right? And so Dr. Taylor had called me before the the meeting, the live, just to like have a like a brief like overview chat, like, "Hey, is there anything you don't want me to bring up, you don't want to talk about, that's off limits that you can't talk about, whatever?" Um, and I was like, he was like, "I'm ready." And I was like, "I'm about to feed you to the wolves because they're going to ask you lots of questions. They're curious little beings." And he he laughed. She thought that was funny, but I was like afterwards I was like, I told you still they they want answers. We all want answers and to have somebody that'll come on and explain them to us is wonderful. So yeah, I thought that was funny. Um, okay, let me scroll back down.
Tracking tracking causes stress for me and stress causes you to gain weight or not lose weight. So, I'm wondering, Lisa, if that's why I've never been able to to track um or been successful at tracking because when I did in the past, like I said, I would al sabotage myself.
I would last like a day or two and then I would eat all the food. Um I wonder if I was like shooting my cortisol levels, which were probably already high at that point in my life, through the roof and then making it's it's this all goes back to hormones, right? I think it's so interesting to now realize that calories was not just the thing and that like our hormones. One thing Dr. Taylor said yesterday that I really connected something for me was when he was talking about how all other medications, so like Tylenol or statins for blood pressure or cholesterol medicines, all all any other medication is designed to block an action that's already happening in your body. So like it's you the blood pressure medicine is designed to block the channel that is causing your blood pressure to high to get higher, right?
Whereas peptides, all peptides, GLP1s and all others are designed to create an action in your body. So they're like a good thing that you want your body to do versus all other medicines being like, "No, we want you to stop something." I thought that was a really interesting distinction that he made. Um it's like we're putting the good thing into our body so that our body can function correctly. We are not just trying to block the bad thing that's already happening. So like blood pressure meds, it's just a band-aid, right?
GLP-1s, other peptides, it's an actual like process that treats. Does that make sense? I thought that was really interesting what he said. Like that was probably the like the biggest aha moment I had in that conversation with him was like, "Oh, that makes perfect sense."
Like you're just directing the channels in the correct way to do the things that they're supposed to do. And I also thought what he said about leptin was really good. um which I've been a bit of a leptin geek for the past couple of months, but um leptin is a big like scary thing to try and start looking into and it's also very hard to explain. So, I actually really appreciated what he said about leptin as well. I can eat my Cajun chicken sausage from Food Line every single day. Um so, Heidi, that Cajun chicken sausage we eat a lot actually.
Um, we put it just like sometimes we'll just put it like over rice with red beans or whatever, but we eat that all the time. We love that Cajun chicken sausage. Wonderful. I don't track years of dieting. Yep. Dr. Taylor was wonderful.
You have been a great ambassador for Bill and advocate for our community. Oh, thank you, Patricia. I try. I um I feel very like at home there and I've not always felt that other other times like I I feel like like one big thing that I really love and I'll this all we we we love to talk about Belle in these labs but one thing that I really love is that when I send over Heidi needs help with this order.
Heidi is having this problem, right? I end up hearing what happens. Like I get a text or a message back that says, "Got it handled. Alec called her. It's fixed." Or whatever. Like I get a response to know that it has been followed through and carried through with that is not always the case other places. So that's I I feel like I'm actually like part of it and not just like me selling a thing for them.
Like I'm actually part of the team and making everybody have a great experience. Does that make sense? I hope I hope I'm explaining that right. But yeah, I Yeah, I loathe tracking. Yep. Me too. Never counting another calorie. I want to know what Dr. Taylor thinks about the time on meds related plateau due to adaptation. if he sees that outside of the studies or if he has ideas about why. That's a great question. Um yeah, I would love to hear his take on that because a lot of what we hear is like, oh, a year after um there seems to be a plateau for most people. So, yes, I am definitely going to write that one down. I'm going to start creating a list. Um and maybe what I'll do is I will create like a post on the community tab on YouTube and in Facebook and I'll have you say like leave your questions for Dr. Taylor and then maybe I'll pre-write them out, send them to him so that he can kind of see what's going to be asked of him and then we can do it that way because I think that could be a great way to do it and it's not as like putting them on the spot which he did great with but you know what I mean like he he would have some time to like really have more thoughtful answers. So I think that would be a great thing to do. So I'll make those posts and then we can shoot him over messages. He wanted earlier when I was talking to him he said I want to come back next week. So, I think he really enjoyed talking and helping you guys. Um, so I don't know. We'll see maybe if we can get something his schedule, my schedule um together and and figure that out.
Um, I'm on the WGO pill. I started at 9 milligrams about two weeks ago. I have been nauseous every day on this dose, so I'm not sure. So, I'm sure I'm not eating enough right now. I sure hope the nausea will end soon. So, you bet. Um, I've heard so many people talking about how nauseous they are on the WGO pill and people that I've heard of that are on like the higher doses of WGO, so like the 7.2 milligram of of WGOI. Um, I've heard a lot of people talking about they're really nauseous on that one as well. The Waggoi pill, I don't know the exact stipulations, but don't you have to take it like either 30 minutes before you eat food or no water like a total empty stomach or something? Um, I've heard that if like you don't do it exactly exactly right, then it can lead to more issues with like side effects and that it won't work as well. That's just what I've heard. I don't know anything about that, but that's what I heard.
Um, let's see here. I'm afraid not to track Marcy. Yeah. I I think that a big part around why some of us track is the mental aspect of it. Like afraid of letting that go because then what if you stop doing it and you suddenly gain 10 pounds or whatever. Um and I was there as well. I think it took me probably to like really not care about calories or y'all hear that dirt bike or not care about tracking. probably took like six full months to where like I wasn't at least kind of like kind of maybe adding them in my head. You know what I mean?
Like now I I have no clue what I've eaten today or any other day. But um mentally I was probably adding them for a little bit longer than I was like actually physically writing them down.
Dispide is for sleep.
Yeah. So okay. So that so DI versus Samorland. Okay. Yeah, we can definitely have him touch on those now. Now, um again, go watch his Tik Toks cuz he's got a a really vast array and he does some for Join Bell as well, their official Tik Tok account, which obviously he's their doctor. Um he's got a lot of content on there as well um that he's been making for for uh get a rain check from a manager if the chicken sausage is on sale, but they're out.
Food Line will give you a rain check for anything and then you can use it like the next time you come in or whatever.
Yeah, girl. I used to work at Food Line when I was uh in college. So, that's fun. That's actually where I met Chris was when I worked at Fooline. Question.
Do they have six months of Havlandale?
Freddy? Um if so, what's the price? So, Freddy, they do, but they will only ship it in three months time. So, you can get six um but they will because of the 90-day bud, they will only ship. So, they'll ship you three months and then they'll ship you another three. Um, so it's like the six-month plan or whatever. It's the same price as the BPI. So, the Tzepide with my code would be 189 per month for 6 months. 3 months, I believe it's 208 with the code.
But yes, they do have six months, but again, only 90-day buds since the new distinction.
You are killing it with the lives. I hope you know how much we all appreciate what you're doing for this community.
Thank you, Caven. Thank you. That you don't know how much that means to me.
I've You have no idea how much that means for me. Hi, Tracy.
Brian Silver Health Quest. I would love to know why type2 diabetes is slower weight loss. Never heard a good explanation of why. That's perfect for Dr. Taylor. Um, I have also heard that and I'm sure he can explain that wonderfully for us. So, every time now that I'm like, I don't know the answer, I'm just going to re defer to Dr. Taylor um so that he can explain it. I thought it was funny the yesterday when he mentioned that 23 of me studying like I know about that one. Let's talk about it. I actually know something here. But uh he moved on from that pretty quickly.
Um yeet says you need to take it as soon as you get up with no more than six ounces of water and wait 30 minutes before you drink or eat.
You just set an alarm. Okay. Yeah, I would think it's probably pretty easy. I could think it could be a problem like if you're somebody that like has busy mornings. like you wake up, everybody's trying to get to work, you have six kids, you're trying to get out the door.
I feel like I would forget things sometimes, but I do like I don't know that like I I don't know that a pill like I I'm an injection person. I used to think that I would want to switch to to a pill when there was one available, but there's two available now and I have no intention of switching. So, I don't know. I'm I'm happy. I'm but I'm also very much so like a if it's not broke, don't fix it person. So, I'm very happy with my my life and the way that Truth Eeptide has treated me. So, I'm just going to continue on that journey. I did do my stomach today, though, y'all. And I don't I don't really know why. I just was drawing my injection up, yada yada yada, and put it in my stomach. I was like, "Darn it, I've been doing my thighs." So, we'll see if that makes any difference in my hunger since I've been doing my thigh and I've not been hungry.
So, we shall see about that.
I've calorie counted my whole life, but never prioritized anything, let alone protein.
What are your thoughts on the future of 503bs? Okay, so Chem uh Chemrop, we we touched on this in the beginning, but if you did not hear, I will I will kind of go over it a bit again. So, the FDA um if you didn't hear last time, if you did, I'm sorry. I I'll have a little spiel again for a couple minutes. Um the FDA proposed today that teptide, smaglutide, and lyutide be removed from the 503b bulk compounding list. So, what that means is that 503bs would no longer have access to the APIs, to the active ingredients because they would not be on the availability list through their 503b certification stuff, right? Um, so that the remaining two that are still making empower and apothecary would not have access. Again, this really isn't supposed to take effect till June if they pass it. And my thought is that neither of thosearmacies will be producing by then anyway with the way it's been going. But um that's the first part of it. The second part is is that if the the brand names were to ever go into shortage again, 503bs could not step in and help. And 503As do not have the capacity to keep up with demand like that. So it would be a very big disservice to everybody in America if there were to ever be another shortage. And that that's I think the scariest part about it um is that they just don't seem to care. Like they they don't care that if there was ever a shortage again, they're ripping it away from millions of people. Like it's they will do anything to stop us from having it. So yeah, I I don't think that it's going to make any immediate difference besides the fact that the 503bs are going to continue to stop producing.
like I everybody kind of agrees at this point if BPI stopped it's coming for everybody else. Um and so what might happen as I've said is well no it probably will happen is that 503A cannot keep up especially not when you're taking all of these 503b companies and shoving all of their business over to 503As. It's going to be hard. It's going to take a while for them to catch up again. Three months on hand is probably a good idea. It's going to be I think the next few months are going to be a pretty big transitional period. Um as we are transitioning from 503bs no longer operating in the space and having to figure out how to evenly distribute among 503As all the rest of the demand is it's going to be a minute.
So again 3 to 6 months that's what I have. Um and I'm happy with that. I don't think you need like a year or more and I don't think compounding is ending.
I do think you need some to carry you through the shortages if you don't want to expect delays.
Um, let's see here. My husband is a manager at Food Line, so I have an inside guy for all my grocery needs without having to leave my house. Um, can you also ask the doctor what they typically, if anything, recommend to add for insulin resistant patients? Oh, so like a a peptide in addition. So, what I'm going to do is after this, I'm going to go back through the comments um and write all of these questions down for him because I think that he would just have a field day with all of them. So, yes, I will absolutely ask him those.
Um, I'm trying to decide if I should change the injection of tres to the change of wait if I should change to the injection of tzeptide. I'm not big on injections and worry about the side effects. What do you all think? Um, I've never done anything but an injection. You bet. Um, but it's not like I think that a lot I think that it gets like hyped up a lot more than is necessary. I don't think it's as scary as most people thought it was. Like the needle was tiny tiny tiny.
You don't even feel it. The only injection that I've ever felt has been the glutathione. It burns, but it doesn't last very long. And I do think it's I I I like it so far, so I'm going to keep doing it. But the transeptide, you don't feel it. I don't feel it. It doesn't burn for me. Um, and it's I think a much easier process than we hype ourselves up about. You know, I don't think it should anything we should be scared of, especially if you can like blanketly educate yourself, like very basic education on the on the matter. I think it's there's so much available like YouTube videos and stuff like that that that you should be able to do that.
Um, I track but not 100%. Matt and Dr. Taylor are amazing. They both are amazing and they Well, Dr. Taylor's probably not sick of me yet, but Matt's probably getting there. Matt's probably getting pretty close to Britney texting him.
I bug your boy a lot, but uh he hasn't told me to stop yet. So, if he ever tells me to stop, then I will. But he he is lit like I said it in my Facebook post earlier. His his phone number is literally publicly available like on the Bell website for you to like if if you're not satisfied, tell me why, you know? Like he is perfect. I agree. He's and it he's perfect.
Um, can you explain to me what gray market means? I hear people talk about it. Yeah, Kim. Um, so gray market, a lot of people there, especially on TikTok, we'll lump gray market in with compound and they are two different things for the most part.
So gray market peptides are peptides that people buy offline in their powder form. So most of them are coming from China. They're labeled for research use.
So people sometimes will say research grade or research peptides or gray market. Um so what they do is they buy these powders offline for cheaper. They buy the supplies to mix them themselves and they do it. They they play pharmacist. Now there are a lot of people that do it and a lot of people that love it. Um, the problem with me and and it is that there is no oversight at all on the actual like products, the actual peptide itself. Some companies claim that they do third party testing, but I was talking to somebody about this and they're like all they have to do is say they do it like they they don't have to prove it in any way. So, it's a very they call it the gray area because it is very like a little bit risky.
Hope that explains it. Um but yeah, they're mixing they reconstitute it themselves with like bacterioatic water at home and then they do like a calculator based on there's calculators available for like how you mix it and all of that.
Um I would be curious to see how big pharma is affected by everyone getting off other medications because of GLP1s.
Moonchild, I have touched on this. I said this like a year or so ago, like you know the intention with GLP1s was not for them to be weight loss versatile machine medicines, right? Or peptides. They were meant to treat diabetes, right? So like this was like an a subset effect that they found after the fact they do you think that they would have purposefully knowing their like greed and everything made a med made a thing that could help with all of these other health ailments and cost them all of the other money from other medications that they can't take anymore. You know what I mean? Like I I think that this was like a big like holy jit moment for them and now they're trying to figure out a way to like recoup that, right? So now we're adding on other things and peptides and vitamins and all of these other things that they're telling us we need, right? Um but yeah, imagine the amount of people who like aren't sick in the hospital and don't utilize hospital services. They're off their medications, all the things. They're done. they don't have to do all these different treatments and physical therapies because their inflammation is down like all the different things that could be affected um by that, you know.
Oh, let's see here.
I don't know if Dr. Taylor can answer this, but why does Tiseptide work, but metformin and fentamine together did nothing? Um, yeah, we can definitely ask him that, but they're very different things. So, fentamine is actually a stimulant. So it's um in the same class of medications that Aderall is in.
So it literally is like a stimulant drug. Um whereas peptides as we know are peptides. So they do they do and they re and they act on two very different spots in the body. Fentamine works like in your brain by activating like different sensors and things. So anyway, yes, we will ask him that, but I have a feeling it's going to be well, they're two totally different things and they they act on the body in two totally different ways.
Um, I'm down 153 pounds. Goofball. That is awesome. Wow. My gosh, goofball. That is amazing.
I started in January 2024, but went through insurance crap of getting kicked off Marjaro to Saxenda to Zepbound to Waggoi to Reddit. So, so goofball is uh Kim is probably on gray right now cuz retro tide is not approved or available yet. There are a couple of compoundingies though um or like tellahalth that are advertising it.
But I've heard that they'll like advertise it and then that's not really what you get or that you don't actually get. I don't know.
Kevin says, "I was cutting a client's hair today and he asked how I've lost so much weight. I told him in JLP1 and he said he didn't know men could use them.
I think we need to get the word out that it works great for men.
I do agree that it that it has like been lumped into women. I agree with that 100%. I mean the 35 to 55 year age range that is the literally literally the most popular age range. Chris is staring at me through the window wanting me and he's probably watching me at the same time. Are you watching me, Chris?
Are you watching?
>> The Knicks are up 31. I'm a Knicks fan.
Hey. Okay, I'll be there in a minute.
Okay, he was standing there staring at me. I think he wanted to tell me the Knicks were winning. I We went and saw the Knicks playing in Charlotte. I love Jaylen Brunson. So, if you're not a basketball fan, you're probably like, I don't care what who about that, but love the Knicks. Okay. Anyway, I think they're going for the win on the series tonight, though. So, um but yes. So, men on GLP1, speaking of a man on a GLP1, Chris is so shy and will not come talk to everybody and I'm I keep like begging him to come on. Maybe what I can do like I wonder if I could have him like talk him into joining me for a live, you know?
That might be more intimidating than just filming a video that no one can see. I don't know. But yes, I agree. We need to have more men repres representation and successful men representation because if you think about like the big men, the big men in the the market or in the the community, there's not a whole lot of them that have like successfully lost a lot of weight that are super popular. May maybe he can participate off camera. Yeah, that I could just have him sit right there in the chair. He literally just came out here to tell me about the Nick score and then he left. Um, probably also why they are resistant to really making meds affordable. Yeah, Marcy. Because they realize that they're not just lowering the cost of GLP1s, they're at the same time selling less of like all of their other medicines, right? So, it's cutting into their profits in every single way that it could. So, I mean, sometimes I sit back and I think about Eli Liy, who, you know, is the worst one, I would say, of the two, and I can sometimes understand some of the things that they do, right? But at the same time, I feel like there should be or could be some type of compromise, you know, to make everybody happy. I just feel like there's there's been like no effort to compromise whatsoever. Do they have to, though? I mean, who are we? But like, there's been no effort to compromise or to just show that they have good intentions. All they do is keep suing all the people that are trying to help us. So, it's like, you know, that's kind of what my beef with them is. Like, if you want to get this medicine to the most people, if you can't lower your prices, then let the other people that can do it, you know?
Yes, we we they won't lower insulin costs. So, good luck with ever getting the price for our GLP1 to go down.
>> Yeah, like the diabetics who literally need insulin to not die. they still have to pay a crap ton of money for. It's I've been there's a there's several with with orderly there's several PA affiliates and we'll talk about this sometimes and the one thing that they like to bring up quite often is the fact that like health care is not your health is way more decided by the insurance company than it is your doctor and like the disconnect that is there because the doctor says they need this medicine the insurance company says n we're not going to pay for that. Um, and it's not just GLP1 ones, it's everything that they do.
And then they the doctor has to go back, okay, well, let me see if there's a cheaper one that might work as well, right? And then me, we're not doing that one either. Um, it's crap, right? Like why the insurance company, they don't know you. They, you know, it's insane to me. And I never realized how bad it was until I was in this space and started talking to other people and studying with things. And I'm like, "Oh, why am I even paying for my health insurance?" I I don't understand.
The amount of money that we pay for health insurance that like literally doesn't pay for anything is mindboggling. Bes beyond like my kids having their yearly checkups. Like we don't utilize it usually. We're mostly healthy and we pay so much money for health insurance. So much money. And they won't cover anything that we actually really need.
I just don't understand why they won't make it more affordable.
I just started GLP 2 and a half for three weeks, but I'm but now but I'm losing weight. Do you know why? Please.
You are losing weight or you're not losing weight. Healthcare isn't run by healthcare workers. It's insurance company and pharmaceutical companies.
Yes, Heidi. Exactly. the health care, your health care is dictated by what the insurance company wants to pay for, not like what medicine might actually benefit you the most for whatever you need it for it. It's insane. It's getting dark. The sun is a setting. I am going to be ending this soon because Chris is staring at me. Probably wants me to come watch basketball with him.
Um, and I got to put my kids to bed. So, does anybody have any last minute questions that they want to ask? Does every poll does everybody like this time, this sort of 7 to 8:00 p.m. time?
Is everybody good with that? Um, I did end up I literally say my GLP1 is my insurance. Oh, okay. Um, dwa dwah jah. So, you said you're not losing weight on two and a half. So, a lot of people do not lose weight on two and a half, especially if you're only been on it for 3 weeks. It's it can take time, right? There are a lot of people that don't start losing until they're like 7 and 1 half to 10ish milligrams.
So, keep with it. Three weeks is not long enough to tell yet if it's going to work for you. Um, and two and a half really is meant to be a loading dose that some people just don't lose any weight on. There are people that do, but there's a larger amount of people that do not. So, keep it going. You'll be okay.
Great time for me. 7 o'clock is perfect.
Okay. I I just want to make sure everybody is Can you do a video digging deeper into some? Yeah. So, Maria, we are going to definitely pose that question to Dr. Taylor um so that he can dive deeper into that. He is a peptide expert um especially women peptide expert. Quint says, "The cost to make up for their lost meds revenue. I'm 45 pounds down and my sleep apnnea is gone." Yeah, I guess I never connected that they're losing money on like all of these other drugs as well. Again, sometimes I can see what they're doing and why they're doing it, but like also, can you not do it or can you like lower it by a hundred bucks? Like if you I feel like if you could make branded ter branded Zetbound $250ish dollars a month, 250 to even 300, you would get a lot of people back, right?
And it's cheaper than that to make. And even the vial, like why is the Zepound vial not $200 to $300 max? Like $300 for 15 doesn't make sense. I don't get that.
I'm being cynical. I know. No, you're not being cynical, Quinc. Like Quincy, you're No, you're not. It's true. They are tarts.
Okay, everyone. I think I'm going to end this. Does anybody have any last minute questions? I did figure out how to edit my description. So, if you're looking for any links for anything for Bell, for orderly, for anywhere, they are down below. Um, fentamine is the devil. I agree. It is not great, especially in combination with the GLP1. Don't do it.
Uh, take my experience on that one.
All right, guys. Thanks for joining me.
I hope that you all had fun. We'll do it again same time next week. Um, we'll have another chat. Be thinking of your questions. I will post um Facebook group and here for questions for Dr. Taylor so I can get some sent over to him and hopefully we can get him back next week for another live. He's great. Loved having him on and you guys seem to really liked him as well. So, okay guys, I will see you Nope. I'll see you Monday. Tomorrow's Friday. So, yeah. Bye guys.
See you on Monday. Have a great night everyone.
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