Earleen Realizes She's Being Charged With Murder| JCS Inspired Interrogation

[00:00:00]Cuz I am an alien from a different planet.

[00:00:07]What planet?

[00:00:09]The universe. Robots though.

[00:00:12]Ah, so we do need AI.

[00:00:16][snorts] AI.

[00:00:18]I am the most intelligent to extraterrestrial alien.

[00:00:25]Cuz I cracked the matrix. I cracked the code.

[00:00:29]Alien is real. I am Erlene Tucker. You see my name ET extraterrestrial. I am the God. I am the creator. It's a woman.

[00:00:41]I solve the mystery of life cuz I blow it up every time and do it over again. I know I murder my mom in the house to figure stuff out. She was mean to me anyways, but I didn't care. I love her so much.

[00:00:54]>> Welcome or welcome back to my channel.

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[00:01:08]>> Oh man, I'm tired. I'm about to fall.

[00:01:13]>> You okay?

[00:01:14]>> An officer asks. No answer first. Then >> you can't hold yourself up for >> Yeah.

[00:01:20]>> You're not hurt, right?

[00:01:21]>> No, but I'm not hurt.

[00:01:23]>> Her voice drifts somewhere else entirely. [music] Then without warning she starts singing >> dreams are made of these to disagree. I travel the world in seven seas. Hey >> word for word like she's somewhere completely different. It cuts off midline.

[00:01:47]>> I shot the sheriff but I didn't.

[00:01:53]And then the line that stops everything.

[00:01:55]>> I am the atomic bomb.

[00:01:58][ __ ] God damn. They about to destroy the [ __ ] up out of me. And I receive it.

[00:02:06]Receive it. Own it. Claim it.

[00:02:10]Damn.

[00:02:12]>> She laughs short and sharp.

[00:02:16]>> Destroy the universe. Planet Earth. down.

[00:02:22]Blow that [ __ ] up. You got a trap in the police car, so you know it's me. [ __ ] ain't getting out.

[00:02:31]The tightest security army I am in. So blow this [ __ ] up and we going to end it with love.

[00:02:40]>> The officer in the front seat says nothing. He just keeps driving. That's what the tape picks up. Here's how it got there.

[00:02:47]March 6th, 2024. a quiet street in northwest Tallahassee, Hartsfield Way.

[00:02:53]Just after 1:00 in the afternoon, a delivery driver pulls up to a town home and freezes. A woman is standing outside, naked, [music] trying to get into his vehicle. He calls it in.

[00:03:03]Officers arrive. What follows isn't violent at first.

[00:03:08]Hello.

[00:03:12]Ma'am, >> do you need traffic?

[00:03:17]>> No, this is going to be a handful.

[00:03:21]I can go.

[00:03:23]>> Ma'am, >> ma'am, what can we do for you? Lie outside naked.

[00:03:33]>> John, you need a couple of us to come.

[00:03:37]>> I'll go with you freely and I tell you, sir, >> negative.

[00:03:42]>> Man, how you going to know why I'm out here?

[00:03:45]>> Free will.

[00:03:47]We got to solve that >> before I can move forward.

[00:03:52]>> Can we Can we go Can we get a a blanket for you?

[00:03:55]>> Can't get [ __ ] for me right now, officer.

[00:04:01]>> Will that's a problem.

[00:04:05]>> I don't have free muscles.

[00:04:07]>> I'm not.

[00:04:09]>> She's resistant, rambling about free will, refusing to go back inside.

[00:04:14][music] And then almost casually, she says the line that changes the entire call.

[00:04:19]>> Okay. What's your name, sweetie?

[00:04:22]>> Change my name. What is it?

[00:04:25]>> Oh, you live right here.

[00:04:28]>> Can we get some clothes for you?

[00:04:30]Something to cover you up.

[00:04:32]>> Come on, let's walk this way.

[00:04:34]>> Oh, I'll walk with you. Is this your house right here?

[00:04:37]>> They're coming back to Tucker.

[00:04:42]>> Are you Miss Tucker? Yes, >> you are. Okay, Miss Tucker, can we get some clothes for you?

[00:04:46]>> Can you give me check history for her?

[00:04:48]>> Well, sweetie, we have to get some clothes on you. Okay, we can't be outside without any clothes on. So, can we at least walk inside the house?

[00:04:54]>> I have to go to the police. You have to take me to the police station.

[00:04:57]>> We will in a few minutes in order for us to take you to the police station.

[00:05:00]>> Committed a grievous crime.

[00:05:01]>> Okay.

[00:05:02]>> They get her back into the house just to find clothes. That's when one of them sees it. Something on the floor in the hallway, feet from the front door. Um, >> is that a heart?

[00:05:14]>> That looks like a human heart.

[00:05:15]>> I wasn't for sure what it was. I asked her to Rio went back there said, "Oh my god." So I was like, "Maybe it was a miscarriage or what was going open."

[00:05:25]>> They cordoned off with a chair so no one steps on it. They keep searching the house for her clothes and find her mother.

[00:05:32]>> She's cold to the touch, stiff rigger, levity, all that's already said. So >> the officer's voice is flat, clinical.

[00:05:39]The way people sound when they're trying not to feel anything yet. Lucille Tucker, 84 years old. Multiple sharp force injuries to the chest. The object on the hallway floor is her heart.

[00:05:50]Outside, a young officer named Benny gets a direct order about the woman they've detained.

[00:05:55]>> Benny, come here. You come here.

[00:05:59]You're good to keep eyes on her for just a second. Do not talk to her. Do not ask her anything. The camera is on. If she makes any statements, don't say anything. Just if she talks, let her talk, but don't don't elicit anything, okay?

[00:06:11]>> So, just hang out with her. Your whole goal is to guard her.

[00:06:13]>> So, they wait [music] and she talks anyway to no one about everything for hours, both at the scene and later in that patrol car on the way to the station. At the police station, getting her out of the car becomes its own ordeal. She nearly collapses trying to step out, officers guiding her foot by foot, [music] and then almost absurdly in the middle of an actual homicide booking, the handcuffs jam.

[00:06:36]Oh my god.

[00:06:37]>> Is that Are you kidding me? Is that working?

[00:06:44]>> Does it try his?

[00:06:48]>> They try every trick. Sliding it, working the mechanism, calling for a different key. Nothing.

[00:06:56]>> There we go.

[00:06:59]>> Now, still not doing it. Are you kidding?

[00:07:01]>> Not releasing. [snorts] >> I mean, it's it's just turning. I got you.

[00:07:06]>> So there's a little >> I don't think another set of keys dove.

[00:07:13]>> It's not the keys.

[00:07:16]>> So hold on, man.

[00:07:18]>> Either what I'm going to end up doing is just leave these cuffs on her and they cut them off at the jail.

[00:07:22]>> All right.

[00:07:23]>> So y'all mean to tell me y'all going to drop my hand off?

[00:07:25]>> No, ma'am. They're going to They have a tool out of jail. No, >> ma'am.

[00:07:32]All right. All right.

[00:07:34]No, we're we're going to have to cut the the cuff on it, not your hand.

[00:07:37]>> Okay.

[00:07:37]>> The cuff.

[00:07:38]>> Oh, don't cut me, please. Don't juke me.

[00:07:41]You going to juke me with a >> Minutes later, distrust flares again.

[00:07:47]>> Did y'all trick me?

[00:07:49]>> No, I'm going to have my car.

[00:07:51]>> No, ma'am.

[00:07:54]Y'all want to see the last act?

[00:07:59]>> Are y'all going to kill me?

[00:08:00]>> No, ma'am. What are you going to take?

[00:08:01]I'm going to take you out to Leon County Jail.

[00:08:04]>> I'm going to take you out to Leon County Jail and they'll take care of you out there. Okay.

[00:08:07]>> Okay. [clears throat] >> Y'all, please don't kill me.

[00:08:10]>> No one's going to hurt you.

[00:08:12]>> Okay.

[00:08:13]>> Yeah. We have our body cameras on. I've got cars in the camera. Everything's being recorded for your safety and ours.

[00:08:19]Okay.

[00:08:19]>> Yes, sir.

[00:08:19]>> All right. You just be cool with us and we'll be cool with you. Okay.

[00:08:22]>> Okay.

[00:08:23]>> She's processed anyway, but without bond. What comes next is the part most people who follow this case know. The interrogation room. The hours of rambling, the line [music] repeated almost in passing.

[00:08:34]>> I know I murdered my mom in the house to figure stuff out. She was mean to me anyways, but I didn't care. I love her so much.

[00:08:42]>> But what the body cam footage shows before any of that is something the public record never captured. A woman already talking about atomic bombs and destruction and ending it with love in the back of a patrol car before a single detective ever asked her a single question.

[00:08:59]>> On your legs, okay? He was still trying to figure it out.

[00:09:03]>> Did you want to do one leg and maybe this one or both legs? It's up to you.

[00:09:07]>> Either you can do one [snorts] leg into the floor or you can >> both legs choice.

[00:09:14]I found the greatest.

[00:09:19][snorts] I know it's so hard to love me even to the end, >> but I [snorts] do remain loose. Just tell us about something.

[00:09:29]>> We don't want to be uncomfortable or anything in here.

[00:09:34]>> Is he double up?

[00:09:35]>> Double up. Not that she f doesn't mess with it.

[00:09:39]>> These are his cuffs. What we can do is it looks like you can probably cuff to the chair. So, let's do Miss uh Miss Tucker. Are you right-handed or left-handed?

[00:09:49]>> Right-handed.

[00:09:50]>> You're right-handed. So, we can do her left hand to the chair. Okay.

[00:09:54]>> So, we can take those off of her and I'll put take yours off. I'll put his on to the chair. [snorts] >> Yeah. Are you right, left-handed?

[00:10:02]>> Yeah, she's right-handed. So, >> right-handed. No going back and forth.

[00:10:05]I'll be going back and forth. Trust.

[00:10:07]Dang. the marriage ceremony. We got to go through it.

[00:10:13]You tell me. Tell me the man say what you this woman say earlier.

[00:10:24]So you don't submit.

[00:10:27]Okay.

[00:10:29]T Ryal Erling Tucker love you.

[00:10:38]Who do I love?

[00:10:42][snorts] My man, [snorts] God.

[00:10:52]It's not none of that.

[00:10:55]Protectus. Lovely.

[00:10:58]Everything. Everybody is beautiful.

[00:11:03]Hyman Lighty.

[00:11:07]Everybody's beautiful. I'm trying to remember.

[00:11:11]Beautiful like a rainbow.

[00:11:17][clears throat] I want to forget nothing and nobody thinking fly. We think high.

[00:11:34]remember? Yeah, they're free like a bird.

[00:11:38]40 minutes into the tape and there isn't a single question on the table yet.

[00:11:43]Erlene Tucker is talking about free will and inevitability before anyone said a word to her, which matters because everything here is unprompted. No leading questions, no suggestion, just her alone with whatever's running underneath. the end as we see look like in the Oh, dang. I didn't make that up.

[00:12:15]Psychic red table. See what you see.

[00:12:38]This time you got to go back and check me. psychiatrist probably did something to me too that I never remember that I suppressed and you know they put a chip in my head and everything cuz I am an alien from a different planet.

[00:12:58]What planet the universe?

[00:13:03]Kai. How you know Kai?

[00:13:06]Alexis little boy Kai to what's his name? So you had to tell me I don't know.

[00:13:18]I don't know.

[00:13:29]What if it came out? You're putting it back in. I don't want to use my hand.

[00:13:36]Everything ends with you. The all knowing, allseening eye. [snorts] Private knowledge between a woman and a man. Private knowledge.

[00:13:51]We keep our private knowledge. It's not for the world to share. It's our business.

[00:13:56]>> An hour in, she names herself an alien, an AI, the creator of the universe. No detective has challenged a single claim yet. That absence is its own kind of evidence about how far this has traveled before law enforcement even engages.

[00:14:12]Y'all still got me shackled.

[00:14:16]Y'all won't let me take it off even though I just told y'all that we all together and we mix.

[00:14:23]>> I love y'all and [snorts] I proof.

[00:14:27]>> Hey, I'm Detective Colin with the police department.

[00:14:30]>> Yes.

[00:14:32]Um, >> so >> I got to tell what I'm thinking.

[00:14:38]>> You got to tell what you're thinking.

[00:14:40]>> Yeah, that's the last [gasps and laughter] sign language.

[00:14:43]That's what we doing.

[00:14:45]>> Okay.

[00:14:45]>> Quiet. And I'm telling myself, I'm speak out everything. Keep it quiet.

[00:14:50]>> Okay. Um, >> [ __ ] clock may kill you if you tell.

[00:14:56]>> That's what that sign language mean.

[00:14:58]learning sign language for the first time. I am >> you are >> by that puss bumble clock. Tell me kill you.

[00:15:07]>> All I see eye still go out the eagle eye all the way up in the car. Eagle eye following me blood fire.

[00:15:16]>> Mhm. [snorts] >> Want to ask you a couple questions.

[00:15:20]>> I talked to some >> still doing sign language which what you're doing now. Okay.

[00:15:26]Um, back in a while ago back in Palm Beach County, I guess you had gone to the >> Did they ever give you like an actual diagnosis of a specific issue?

[00:15:43]>> No, I had to figure out myself.

[00:15:45]>> Okay. Were you ever prescribed medication for it?

[00:15:48]>> Yeah, they thought I was taking it, but I never did.

[00:15:50]>> You never did?

[00:15:53]Then back in 2009 or around that time I guess you went to a hospital.

[00:16:00]>> Detective Collins finally sits down and the first technique is immediate. He doesn't touch the case. He asked about hospitals medication history. That's quiet reality testing. Before you can interrogate the crime, you find out whether the person in front of you can process a direct question at all.

[00:16:18]I remember when I first in 2000 when I first got it and I wasn't taking the pills, I still was getting like something taking my head and baming in the wall that I couldn't know why somebody still trying to kill me and I ain't taking that pill.

[00:16:36]>> Mhm.

[00:16:37]>> Like I was in another world still, >> right?

[00:16:40]>> Why is they doing that to me and I ain't taking that pill?

[00:16:43]>> Mhm.

[00:16:44]>> Always been something wrong, >> right? All right.

[00:16:46]>> And I always got to go back in and figure it out.

[00:16:48]>> Okay. Um, do you know where you're at right now?

[00:16:51]>> Yes.

[00:16:52]>> Where?

[00:16:54]>> I'm doing this cuz I'm being judged by the creator.

[00:16:59]>> Then you know where you're at right now?

[00:17:00]>> Yes. At the police station.

[00:17:02]>> Okay. What city are you in?

[00:17:08]>> Why I say West Palm? Thanking West Palm Beach. But I know that I'm Tallahassee. Y'all brought me in in Tallahassee.

[00:17:15]>> Yes, ma'am. Um, you know what year it is?

[00:17:20]>> Yes.

[00:17:22]2024. You >> look like you're doing sign language, but >> only myself out.

[00:17:27]>> No sign language here.

[00:17:29]>> Don't blocking it so I can know get the truth come out.

[00:17:32]>> I got you.

[00:17:33]>> To give you the 2024.

[00:17:35]>> I don't know any sign language.

[00:17:36]>> I don't know what you know.

[00:17:40]>> Sorry.

[00:17:41]>> It's fine. And you said that you were prescribed medication, but you never took it. Do you remember what hospital you went to in Palm Beach County?

[00:17:49]>> The first time? It's a little place.

[00:17:54]>> You remember the name of it?

[00:17:57]>> No.

[00:17:59]I went back there cuz I was being abused so bad and stuff.

[00:18:10]>> [snorts] >> Collins runs the classic orientation check. City, year, age. Three questions used in competency evaluations everywhere. She gets all three right.

[00:18:20]That's the groundwork being laid.

[00:18:22]Establish she knows where and when she is. So nothing she says next can be dismissed as confusion.

[00:18:28]>> I want to turn myself up in I need to know what's happening to me.

[00:18:32]>> What about in 2009? Do you remember what hospital you went to then?

[00:18:35]>> I remember that clearly.

[00:18:36]>> What hospital was that? because I did not time travel went back in to to get that information. What book what bring me to Columbia? [snorts] Why am I in Colia?

[00:18:45]>> Okay. Do you remember what hospital that was you went to in 2009?

[00:18:49]>> I know what happened to me while I was in that place. You want me to tell you?

[00:18:53]>> Sure.

[00:18:54]>> Cuz I don't want you to think I'm going back and forth and crazy. And I don't want to do no sound. I not dig into your heart.

[00:19:00]>> And I took it to my death what happened.

[00:19:02]But you know people went in there took it so they knew it. So then think I'm spreading business, but I'm deaf, dumb, and blind.

[00:19:10]>> Okay.

[00:19:10]>> Okay. So, >> what hospital was that you were in in 2009?

[00:19:14]>> 2009. So, that's >> When did I have my first child? You still You're still skipping when I had my first child. Why is you skipping that?

[00:19:26]>> I'm not skipping that.

[00:19:28]>> I'm I'm not really Well, I'm just not really see how you're doing. Hand on the head, hands out. So, why would I tell my story to the white man? What kind of sense that make?

[00:19:39]>> Okay, I'm just talking about >> I can't give my story to a white man. I just can't.

[00:19:44]>> Okay. Well, I was just talking about hospital.

[00:19:49]>> Dude, you got to go. See, now I'm going to cuss you the [ __ ] out.

[00:19:53]>> Well, I >> You got to get your [ __ ] I don't care how nice you is, [ __ ] Get the [ __ ] up out of here. I'm not telling my story to a white man. Period. Point blank. Done. You put a black person in front of me and I tell you what happened cuz I trust them most of all.

[00:20:10]>> Okay.

[00:20:11]>> I know I got to do that to trust y'all in the end and give you my story.

[00:20:16]>> Got to learn to do it.

[00:20:19]>> All right.

[00:20:20]>> But what if I still do it and you still do the trickery? Trick or >> see how you kicking your leg and shaking?

[00:20:26]>> Not doing any trick.

[00:20:27]>> See what I'm talking about?

[00:20:29]>> I can't do it. No. No.

[00:20:30]>> Okay. I still can't do that.

[00:20:33]>> Let me see if I can ain't his story.

[00:20:36]>> Got to get the [ __ ] up out of here, [ __ ] >> Okay.

[00:20:39]>> Steal his teeth. Hieroglyphic every damn thing. That's what y'all did.

[00:20:45]God have mercy. Lord Jesus Christ. It's going to go through my get to the bottom of things. Come out and people still see it's sizzling up me right now.

[00:20:59]>> [sighs and gasps] >> Colin steps out for water. It reads his kindness. It's also a pressure valve.

[00:21:07]And the moment he leaves, she's unsupervised again for nearly 20 minutes, filling the silence with exactly the material no detective could extract by asking for it.

[00:21:18]>> I got to trust no believe that you're putting it back in.

[00:21:24]That's what's being happened. It was downgraded. They had to take crash the system and put it back in a computer.

[00:21:31]Wow. Turn myself into a computer. Dang.

[00:21:36]That's deep.

[00:21:38]>> Yeah.

[00:21:39]>> Whoa.

[00:21:41]>> Crazy, too. You didn't even want to be a human.

[00:21:46]Dang. [snorts] And that's my way of making everybody know what I know. No race, no color. See that?

[00:21:53]Tell me I ain't all of it.

[00:21:57]I put myself in a box so y'all can come out the box trying to say living clown.

[00:22:12]Feel like a clown.

[00:22:15]Why do I still feel stupid? Cuz I did it and [snorts] it never really had to be done. Yes, it did.

[00:22:26]All you had to do if No, the atrocity and the unjust. Still got to go back to that Queen Elizabeth.

[00:22:35]She cannot come to the free world.

[00:22:38]>> Still alone. And the story expands outward. Jamaica, a stolen birthright.

[00:22:43]Queen Elizabeth. No detective built this. The most elaborate parts of her account exist without prompting, which says something about how deep this mythology already runs.

[00:22:54]>> If you love me, whatever you is, come take this shackle off right now. Prove it. Do it. No matter what you think going to happen, who going to fly in who cuz guess what?

[00:23:10]You know what we learned? Cannot be destroyed. We just going to go back in and do it again. Negro.

[00:23:16]>> Hey, Mr. How you doing?

[00:23:18]>> How you doing?

[00:23:19]>> Hi.

[00:23:19]>> Hey. I'm Detective Bruce and this is Detective um >> Howard.

[00:23:23]>> Howard.

[00:23:25]How are you?

[00:23:26]>> Want me to buy?

[00:23:30]>> You doing okay?

[00:23:32]>> Yeah.

[00:23:32]>> You need anything?

[00:23:35]What you need?

[00:23:36]>> See, I'm skip.

[00:23:39]>> Why you talk to me?

[00:23:42]give up everything you cause cuz what so I'm just I have to play out the scenario.

[00:23:46]>> Okay.

[00:23:47]>> After what I learned, what I investigate, >> I see that I'm white and I got to give up my power and control to the black man.

[00:23:55]>> Mhm.

[00:23:56]>> You think I'm going to do that? Trust faith to to to do it.

[00:24:00]>> I don't feel like I'm in control of you or anything.

[00:24:04]>> I'm look white now. I had it based on what I learned.

[00:24:15]It was all mine.

[00:24:18]Now you want me to release it to the black man? Just the white man talking.

[00:24:23]You want me to release it to the black man?

[00:24:25]>> 3 hours in, detectives Brutus and Howard finally take the chair. The second real structured attempt on this entire tape.

[00:24:32]The shift in approach is immediate.

[00:24:34]Warmer tone, first names. Loe's takes questions before anything touches the crime itself.

[00:24:44]>> We got to name that baby together.

[00:24:47]Got to respect my husband.

[00:24:52]I hope y'all make it come out through the right channel.

[00:24:56]Don't ask me what's the channel cuz I kind of mess it up again.

[00:25:08]He know everything that's suck in his brain. I don't need to know everything.

[00:25:12]Remember, I'm a woman. I got to know my place.

[00:25:17]There you have it.

[00:25:20]We saying each other. I had to figure that out.

[00:25:24]>> St. Mary, >> you know the one from Belgade?

[00:25:27]>> Mhm.

[00:25:28]>> The one where I had my child and I didn't know her father is because I keep going through the plane and they say it's immaculate. conception.

[00:25:36]So, and I would have known if I wasn't going through pains.

[00:25:46]So, therefore, there's no such thing as immaculate conception.

[00:25:50]>> You got to gather that from the investigation. You still go right to creation.

[00:25:57]And um the last time I went to the hospital, I was at Norine Mcken.

[00:26:04]That wasn't Nor.

[00:26:08]I remember it was 2010. My baby died. He died before that. So when he died, I knew I could handle anything cuz I flipped out.

[00:26:20]And uh >> name starts surfacing. A husband she calls TR royal siblings. a child she says died years ago. None of it gets fact checked in real time. It just accumulates. The way his story grows when nobody's in the room to ask where the names came from.

[00:26:38]>> Somebody made her think she wasn't white. I don't know. Maybe something deep down inside of her made her think she was white. Cuz when I look at her, I see black. When [snorts] she look at me, did she see? No. She hated me. I don't know if she see white cuz uh I know I'm black. What I see is black. I don't know. That might have had to been it. That's why she hate me so much cuz I looked at white the hood and she was black. That's one thing that was never taken away.

[00:27:10]>> Mhm.

[00:27:13]>> That's why they hate hate the hate.

[00:27:17]That's why hate hate cannot be cannot be.

[00:27:21]I'm going to find it. I'm going to kill it. I'm going on with and then civil all that personality I had to do all that but forgive myself snap out of it real quick sometime I come snap I'm a whole different person I do have technique method clap sound come out of it learn every little thing along the way to get myself out of my mental status Tucker can I ask you some questions >> yeah um how old are To be honest with you, from what I know facts from the one when it ended, I was 58. I think I had a birthday. 58. Yes.

[00:28:05]>> When was your birthday?

[00:28:07]>> January 14th, 1966. I think all that was I discover all that was a lie. I wasn't [snorts] born that. My mama kept all that from me. So, I don't I don't know.

[00:28:16]>> Okay. Um, do you work anywhere? I'm [snorts] on disability. I'm not on disability.

[00:28:26]Trying to get disability. It's the last thing I'm trying to do.

[00:28:30]>> What? What? What's What's your disability?

[00:28:33]>> I feel like my knee broken all the time.

[00:28:35]My back broken all the time. My neck broke, my back broke, my ankle broke, wrist broke, everything broke. People want to check me out and tell me what's wrong with me. They always come back and tell me nothing wrong with me. And I know I feel the pain. basic biography, age, birthday, work history, and she answers with total accuracy. This is the anchor point thereafter. Proof she can produce reliable, checkable facts on demand, even while an entirely separate narrative keeps running underneath every answer.

[00:29:05]>> I don't know if it was picked out, right? Whatever. That's how animal got involved.

[00:29:10]>> So suppressed take.

[00:29:14]>> But then again, you got to remember the violation start with creation.

[00:29:19]animals come through creative. So they had homosexuality to them. Had to be the end.

[00:29:26]>> So you saying it was homosexual animals?

[00:29:30]>> What I'm saying is where the homos trying to figure out the beginning of where homosexuality start? It had to start from creation. Don't the animals have to be created and through the >> So you saying they're homosexual animals?

[00:29:43]>> Got to be. That's what I'm picking up now that you're pulling that's being suppressed and everything lead back to creator ain't it?

[00:29:56]Okay.

[00:29:56]>> And then I know people tell you study planets animal as you can see there ain't nothing you sit down and you watch nature they will tell you a man and a woman not supposed to be together.

[00:30:10]Animals don't make same sex don't make same saint. So it was in the everything was in the Bible and see birth canal creator everything got a homosexuality in it.

[00:30:28]>> Everything >> cuz it was mixed up from the jump through birth and it was suppressed. Whoever did it [snorts] don't want nobody know. I guess my eyes like an infliction. They don't know if it's don't think it's a lie.

[00:30:44]Now, [snorts] whoever did it don't want nobody to know cuz they want to still go by the Bible.

[00:30:51]That's the law. You got to live by the law. And people don't understand why they like that. They can't fix it. They can't fix their brain. They can't fix their own scripture. Tries you may suppress it as you make it. It need to be removed though cuz it was never meant to be like that. The new world should not have that in. It was a mistake, a malfunction. And the they couldn't fix that malfunction in the system the computer.

[00:31:16]>> Okay.

[00:31:17]>> All right. Well, >> is Columbia the only hospital you went to or only facility you went to?

[00:31:23]>> No. No.

[00:31:24]>> St. Mary Hospital.

[00:31:26]>> St. Mary, too.

[00:31:27]>> Went to St. Mary. Three. I' been locked up three times.

[00:31:32]>> Now, the detectives press the psychiatric history directly. Three hospitalizations. medication she was given but never took. This is gentle confrontation, not challenging her reality, just quietly building a record of every missed intervention that led to this room.

[00:31:49]>> What?

[00:31:51]Blind everything and they don't see that? How [clears throat] could you not see that?

[00:31:57]So, everything had to be done.

[00:31:59]>> Okay. I'm going come up and check on you. Okay.

[00:32:02]>> Okay.

[00:32:03]>> You all right?

[00:32:04]>> I'm fine. All right.

[00:32:07]>> [snorts] >> Everybody killed me. Dang.

[00:32:42]Everybody hate me. Dang. How could a person live like that? I got to find out why the haters so real. So real.

[00:32:54]Dang. His story seems so real, man.

[00:32:59]Dang.

[00:33:03]How could you break that code, girl?

[00:33:06]Dang. You could even get disability.

[00:33:09]Walking, limping, dragging, nothing.

[00:33:14]But when I go out in public, guess what?

[00:33:17]I'mma walk [snorts] straight. I'mma walk tight. Cuz I ain't gonna let you see that I'm a [ __ ] By the way I walk, that don't mean I ain't [ __ ] Just because you I don't walk like that.

[00:33:31]The inner body should tell you, but you couldn't see it. I'm not crazy. I know you're listening, so I'm just making sure you know everything.

[00:33:47]And then my in come from somebody always stealing my brain, stealing my eyes.

[00:33:53]>> Questioning stops again. And without anyone present to redirect her, the spiral widens fast. That's the cost of every break here. Each time she's left alone, the narrative gets more elaborate. And whoever walks back and has more ground to clear before they can ask anything useful.

[00:34:10]>> [snorts] >> It's still love, but they need to be put on their throne.

[00:34:20]Here's what it is.

[00:34:22]Facts.

[00:34:24]They choose what they want. Oh, it come down to indigenous and the Latino. Wear one. I ain't put no respect on the Latino cuz they made no effort like I did to try to get to the number one ace boom boom which is the black woman.

[00:34:44]Amber, don't forget Amber V and the husband husband and wife. Amber and the children.

[00:34:51]God saying her children Vernon.

[00:34:54]So I'm I'm you got to get your husband and wife people that you know from right now. And I ain't say her because I expect them to pick their spouse from what they had to create them in whatever image they want. Amber Tony, choose your wife. Pick whatever image you want to pick. Have your children, baby. Be good. Maurice, choose your wife.

[00:35:21]Children and then y'all can create. Everybody create. Everybody procreate. Great. It's It's enough here. Ain't no limit.

[00:35:32]Ain't no limit to this place. Um, did I miss anybody? Mama, daughter, the I am a part of the God.

[00:35:43]T R Jean T Ry, my husband, and I'm a goddess in Jamaica.

[00:35:54]I don't want to be the queen of England, but it was stolen. It's bad.

[00:36:01]I want to be a part of the decision of choosing who sit on them thrones number three place. That's why I picked them. I want to be a part of the decision of picking who sit on them three thrones.

[00:36:14]T Ryal is he I'm Jamaican nationality and he's a mother earth. was still from other Africa, whatever. But still, that's where I last saw him at. So, America, boom, and we going to go to Jamaica.

[00:36:36]When we get up out of here, >> she starts assigning roles and names to siblings and children inside her own mythology, almost defending a thesis. No detective prompted any of it. It's the clearest sign, yet this isn't performance for the room. It's a framework she's been living inside for a long time.

[00:37:09]Damn. What's the last order, dude?

[00:37:34]It's easy for me to say it. Dang, I let it dry. [snorts] The last order is I already know the atomic bomb got to blow up the entire universe and we start a new and um can't have no one god before thee and all that.

[00:38:00]That's what messed us up in the beginning. We know who the one God is, but we know who the creator of the universe is.

[00:38:14]But I do I do want that to be taken from me and my husband has to rule as a king.

[00:38:38]and [snorts] how the planet has to be destroyed. We got to do it in the chemistry lab.

[00:38:47]It's a vision like [snorts] how I saw it in the car television.

[00:38:54]You know, all that is real. So, you got to put it in the lab. Do your stimulation.

[00:39:00]Don't you can't blow up the planet.

[00:39:06]You got to do the stimulation. And if the stimulation work, you know that's how >> I still need my husband.

[00:39:22]>> Hours of grandiosity curdle here into something darker. An atomic bomb. Total destruction. The detectives don't interrupt. They let the tone shift on its own because a sudden turn like this often tells you more than any direct question could.

[00:39:37]>> Beverly Tucker to sit before me.

[00:39:40]Point blank period. Them the last two and Roy George T. You can't trust no man, no woman. Oh, I need the seven brothers and sister sitting before me at the tribunal. They all have to be interrogated.

[00:40:00]And y'all got to get they data. My husband got to get they data.

[00:40:06]Well, who is that hood? I can't tell them. I got to be the last woman standing. Y'all told y'all and y'all got my secret. So y'all can blow me up right now cuz y'all got my secret science.

[00:40:40]We need to get Hyman and Beverly cuz I don't feel good.

[00:40:45]>> Hey, Miss Tucker.

[00:40:47]>> Hi. Hey, my name is Kelly. Okay.

[00:40:50]>> Yeah.

[00:40:50]>> These are my associates. Okay.

[00:40:52]>> I have to fix my brain. That's what it is.

[00:40:54]>> No, no. We're just here to collect some swabs off of your arms and hands and stuff. Okay.

[00:40:59]>> Yes.

[00:40:59]>> All right. So, it's it's going to be real fast. It's going to be real gentle.

[00:41:03]No problem at all. Okay.

[00:41:05]>> Yeah.

[00:41:05]>> All righty.

[00:41:12]A forensic technician, Kelly, enters for the first physical evidence collection on tape. DNA swabs of the hands and nails. This isn't an interrogation tactic, it's procedure. And notice how she narrates every swab as something being done to her, not for the case.

[00:41:35]WAIT.

[00:41:52]OKAY.

[00:41:56]All right. I'm going to start with your left hand if that's all right. I'm just going to swab on the outside of the hand.

[00:42:13]All right. And if you'll flip your hand over for me, I'll get the inside of it.

[00:42:17]>> Same hand.

[00:42:18]>> Why is she standing over me? Why is all y Why is poison?

[00:42:21]>> No, not poison. Water on the spot.

[00:42:24]>> Nope. I don't want Nope.

[00:42:26]>> This could be a poison.

[00:42:29]>> It It's just water.

[00:42:30]>> No, it's not. They ain't going to tell me.

[00:42:33]>> That's why this all this.

[00:42:34]>> Nah. Nope. Nope. Y'all taking my DNA.

[00:42:38]D EA. They taking it to know.

[00:42:40]>> Would it make you feel better if you drop the water on me?

[00:42:42]>> No. I don't want this done. Please.

[00:42:45]>> Okay.

[00:42:45]>> Why are y'all doing this?

[00:42:47]>> Because we need um the evidence that's on your arms and legs and feet.

[00:42:51]>> I messed up my mind. No, we can't do this.

[00:42:55]>> Okay.

[00:42:57]A minute ago you said it was okay. Is Is there a reason that you changed your mind?

[00:43:03]I'm talking to him now. You know, I'm going inside to find the answer and come back and tell you. Okay. The swabbing keeps stalling. She stops at mid-process to go inside and find the answer before letting it resume. Even a routine evidentiary step gets pulled into the narrative. There's no boundary left between procedure and story at this point.

[00:43:45]I choose the last deceiver who deceive us all at the end right here.

[00:44:03]I'll tell it to you.

[00:44:05]How did I know that sign language? He the one person of the three in this room that do not know sign language.

[00:44:18]You know, every and you and I know everything and everything.

[00:44:22][clears throat] He He didn't know sign language. Oh, that did it, baby.

[00:44:28]Wow. Thank you.

[00:44:30]But he hear us talk right now though, babe. But they gone.

[00:44:44]Gotcha.

[00:44:57]Baby, tell me when it's done. Y'all got to do it. No, I got to do it.

[00:45:07]You know how we do it. You know how we do it. I don't.

[00:45:14]I need my eyeglasses.

[00:45:22]can do it without it.

[00:45:24]You don't need it.

[00:45:30]But it's out there in the real world.

[00:45:34]Go back in real quick. I'mma let you out.

[00:45:39]No secrets. Okay. Everything is out.

[00:45:41]Okay, baby. Do it.

[00:45:43]>> Alone again after the swab. And the same cast returns almost word for word.

[00:45:48]Husband, siblings, secret science. Six hours in, nothing resolves. Every time someone leaves the room, the loop just cycles back to where it started.

[00:45:57]>> Hair, she turned around like a lost lady. You just shapeshift from what?

[00:46:04]White lady, totally different human being in front of my face. And you don't know that I see that I'm sitting in the car. Why was I sitting in the car? Cuz I murdered my mother.

[00:46:15]I [snorts] had to find out what's going on here. Why is this happening? It have to stop. It has to end now. I had to murder Lucille Tucker.

[00:46:25][snorts] Why? [clears throat] Number one, two, three. She I thought she told me that the white lady asked for me and she gave.

[00:46:38]Now, she was a white lady that the black lady wanted, which is the queen of England.

[00:46:51]>> Black.

[00:46:53]See, I'm trying to cover it up again.

[00:46:55]Queen of England was black on the train.

[00:46:59]Met this white golden lady here.

[00:47:02]Beautiful girl.

[00:47:04]She I thought she asked my mama for it, but [snorts] come through my research, my mama gave me to that lady, that black woman. And now that black woman before she took off, she changed identity with my mama. like vision took the vision from her and and gave herself gave mama who was also a white lady.

[00:47:38]Yeah.

[00:47:42]So she took mama looks everything and gave her brown eyes and and went everywhere mama looked her color was like me.

[00:47:54]Even though mama was white, she still gave me up.

[00:47:59]She never maybe she thought I was messing with her husband, but due to the creation of life, that's what mess with her husband.

[00:48:08]Everybody was my fault.

[00:48:11]Told you how to shape shift travel through the universe, clap my hand.

[00:48:16]>> Unprompted, she returns to the act itself, sitting in her car afterward, not knowing what to do next. No detective steered this. It's one of the only moments on the entire tape that sounds like an ordinary frightened person buried under everything stacked on top of it.

[00:48:31]>> Because I don't want nobody leave thinking I did anything to nobody, but I didn't. Everybody.

[00:48:38]And I discovered that I was killed by everybody on this universe. I was hated on every by everybody in the universe.

[00:48:45]Like by every mean everybody. Even the pladenss, even Yak, the Bible, God is a lie.

[00:49:00]And you see that from the study that and what I had to go through. Everything's a lie.

[00:49:09]Sizzling moving. So you know some they lying. Anyways, God is a lie. You can I I went to and I studied in every university of this world on this planet.

[00:49:19]I know how to travel through the portal, plane travel, mind games, electricity, telephone.

[00:49:39]Can't leave one man standing when this is over cuz they will still have the secret science cuz they said it was seven secret science. If there's more than the seven I disturbed it. [snorts] Oh sh they're still they still messing with my stuff and how gay and lesbian came about and even while I'm in here I'm being messed with. So there is a gay and lesbian person that we brought in here.

[00:50:11]So [snorts] that's the final gay and lesbian person which is everybody was like that and I am the final one. I don't care if you bring Beheman in here and they running around. No, they got to get the atomic bomb.

[00:50:31]Why is it them two people ain't here to be destroyed? Cuz they're gay and lesbian. We can't have no gay and lesbian in the real world. All of them.

[00:50:42]They should be here at the tribunal.

[00:50:45]Why is they not investigated?

[00:50:48]>> The loops tightened toward the end.

[00:50:50]Secret science. Instructions from the husband figure repeated almost verbatim from hours earlier. By now, the detectives have largely stopped trying to redirect. The only technique left is letting the tape run and watching what repeats on its own.

[00:51:08]>> [snorts] >> Dang, I'm shaking. I'm nervous. [snorts] I can't do I did eat a little piece. Why would you want me to do that? Maybe you can't do it how you used to do it.

[00:51:27]How you used to help me?

[00:51:30]Hm. [clears throat] Tell me.

[00:51:55]Damn. You did that.

[00:51:59]Wow.

[00:52:03]I got my baby.

[00:52:06]I figure that out.

[00:52:09]And I got to tell it.

[00:52:15]Got to tell that, too. All right. This is what I gathered. It's not over.

[00:52:24]Still feel it. There's one more person we got to bring in. I [snorts] killed my mom. Remember? Her heart is still alive.

[00:52:33]And I told y'all I still heard a pump.

[00:52:35]Her heart is still and people talking. Still hear people talking. Whispers of whispers.

[00:52:44]All that is still going.

[00:52:48]Damn.

[00:52:50]ancestors.

[00:52:53]The dead the walk at the end when all you hear can't get rid of the the [snorts] walking dead >> and there it is. I killed my mother said almost in passing buried between unrelated tangents which is exactly why the detectives let her keep talking instead of jumping on it. Interrupt too early and you risk losing it. Let it surface on its own and it's far harder to walk back later.

[00:53:21]>> All right, Arlene, I'm going to be taking you out to the jail. Okay.

[00:53:27]>> All right. Do me a favor. Can you stand up for me or scoot over? All right, Miss Tucker, the sooner you cooperate, the sooner we can get you out here and and out of those cops. Okay. Are you Oh, you got one to the chair. Okay. Yeah.

[00:53:41]>> All right. Um I'll come to you first.

[00:53:45]All right.

[00:53:47]>> [snorts] >> Hey, >> don't do anything stupid so I don't get any more charges. All right, you go and stand on up and put your hands behind your back.

[00:54:00]>> How you doing, man?

[00:54:03]>> Bring your arm back. Oh, hang on. There you go. Hang on. Hold on. Hold on.

[00:54:09]>> I'm not doing this with you.

[00:54:10]>> I'll be dumb.

[00:54:11]>> Okay. Not Nothing's going to happen.

[00:54:14]Okay.

[00:54:15]>> [snorts] >> Why I have to be treated like this?

[00:54:18]>> Well, you started pulling away and I don't like that. Okay.

[00:54:21]>> Why do I have to be treated like this?

[00:54:22]>> Cuz don't move. Uhuh. Why am I treated like this?

[00:54:26]>> I'm trying. Relax.

[00:54:28]>> Why am I relax? Okay. Just relax.

[00:54:31]>> Look, relax. Don't tense up. Don't pull away.

[00:54:36]>> You got serious charges, so I don't know what your intentions are. Okay.

[00:54:43]Good lord.

[00:54:45]Whose cups are these? Like are they old?

[00:54:52]>> Oh my god. Is that Are you kidding me?

[00:54:54]It's not working.

[00:54:55]>> Oh, you want my uh want a different key?

[00:54:59]>> Does it try?

[00:55:10]>> No.

[00:55:11]>> That's awesome.

[00:55:13]I can I can [clears throat] hear it pop.

[00:55:18]>> No, nothing.

[00:55:21]>> Try not to ratchet it down. It needs to give a little bit before it'll release, I think.

[00:55:25]>> Let me see if I can slide it down on the wrist.

[00:55:30]>> Hold on. Hold on.

[00:55:32]>> But ma'am, we're having a problem with the handcuff. Okay.

[00:55:34]>> We're not trying I know it probably hurts. We're not trying to hurt you.

[00:55:37]It's just >> slide it down and then >> down towards her hand.

[00:55:41]>> Right. Just so there's a little bit more room to to work.

[00:55:43]>> There it is. Yeah.

[00:55:50]>> Now still not doing it.

[00:55:53][cough] [clears throat] >> I mean it's just turning.

[00:55:56]>> I got you. [snorts] >> I don't think Juliet.

[00:56:04]>> It's not the key.

[00:56:07]>> So hold on. E either what I'm going to end up doing is just leave these cuffs on her and they cut them off at the jail.

[00:56:13]>> As the tape closes, restraints are checked and the room shifts toward transport. After 7 hours, the one fact that held steady the entire time is the sentence she said hours ago and never retracted. Everything else moved. That didn't.

[00:56:29]Erlene Tucker was found not guilty by reason of insanity in a ruling that came down in November [music] 2025 based on the article's own dating. Court documents described her as diagnosed as having a major mental illness and insane at the time of the offense rather than a prison sentence. The court ordered her into treatment at a mental [music] health facility. As of the most recent reporting, a March 2026 article, she's still there. A hearing was scheduled to determine whether she could potentially be released from that facility.

[00:56:59]>> [music] >> There's no indication from available sources that a final decision had been made by that