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[00:00:02]This is the Baseball Tonight podcast for Friday, May 29th, 2026, presented by Lita by Windham. I'm Buster only working from my VRBO up in Boston after uh attending a graduation. Kenny Lean is working back in Bristol, Connecticut. In a little while, going to be talking with Jesse Rogers and we have a lot to get to. The Milwaukee Brewers are off to a great start and he'll tell you why he thinks that is. Terco is going to throw a simulated game on Monday and of course trade speculation is building around him. But for the first time in baseball history, the owners have formally proposed a salary cap. Let's get to it. Jesse Rogers covers baseball for ESPN. Jesse, how you doing?

[00:00:47]>> Doing well, Buster. Good to be with you as always. Jesse, covering baseball these days at ESPN means covering the labor negotiation between Major League Baseball and the Players Association.

[00:00:58]Uh, Major League Baseball on Thursday afternoon released the details of its counter proposal to the players. What stood out to you? Well, certainly offering a salary cap for the first time since 1994 stands out, right, Buster?

[00:01:11]Now, these won't be the final numbers if they agree on a cap, but we're essentially looking at, look, it's basically 150ish million up to 225 millionish. Now, the overall number includes player benefits, so it's 171 to 245, but I know fans don't always uh, you know, understand that part of it.

[00:01:33]Basically, your payroll is going to be somewhere between 150 million and and 225, give or take a few million. That to me seems a little low on the top end. I think if they actually accept the concept of a of a cap, meaning the union, they'll negotiate some of those numbers up, especially the uh the higher number. So, that's that's the first thing first thing obviously that stands out. But that lower number is pretty good. Forcing up to 12 teams to spend more money to get to the get to the floor. I think that's a that sounds like a good thing. Right now, a bunch of teams will have to shed salary. And I think the league will be open to a lot of things, Buster, that will tilt towards the players if the players accept the idea of a cap. Meaning changes to free agency and arbitration.

[00:02:17]Maybe phasing in the cap. Maybe a Larry Bird exception rule. You can keep your own star. Paul SK, come on down. You're a pirate for life. Don't worry about the cap. But that means the union has to agree to it. Um, outside of that, we're going to have this this back and forth whether payroll disparity equals u competitive advantage for those highric teams. And there's, you know, differing arguments there. The standings say anybody compete can compete buster. But of course, the World Series participants and winners are usually the higher revenue teams. So, this debate's going to go back and forth for a long time.

[00:02:52]And and and the other thing very important, local media revenue will now be centralized and distributed equally among 30 teams. That's a big big change.

[00:03:03]Getting the big markets to agree to give their money into a centralized fund and spread it out equally among the 30 teams. Um that that that will help I think sell that proposal to fans as well. But that's a big change in terms of asking those big market owners to do that. So big picture, imagine that uh this is almost like the, you know, the first play of a the exchange of proposal almost like a first play of a of a drive in football. You we started at the 20 yardd line. Where does this uh proposal or this counter proposal to the proposal actually move this whole process in your mind? Because my >> when I when I saw it, I thought, well, it doesn't move the football down the field at all >> on either side. I think they're they're kind of I just think the trenches are a little bit deeper.

[00:03:51]>> Yeah. Yeah. I would just go to a baseball analogy and say it is the first inning and they've gotten a couple outs just because they met, you know, they've advanced it as far as at least they met and neither side has called anybody some nasty names. So, so maybe we're maybe we're in the bottom of the first at this point. But but it's and and and this is why the league held back on anything about arbitration or free agency or minimum salaries because it all changes whether it's a yes or no to a cap. Now at some point the the union might be asking well if we do agree to a cap, what are your thoughts on minimum salary and stuff like that? then the league will have to to um to speak on that and maybe maybe that's the league's strategy to sort of hold back on all these things until the union starts asking questions because right now there's no conversation about a cap between the sides. So somehow the league has to get them to the table and have them ask questions. what is the minimum salary if we have a salary cap and that's what the you know so maybe that's a strategy by the league but that until one side or the other kind of accepts the concept of the other side's proposal we're going to be at a a standstill for probably a long time >> what's your sense of where the union is on that question excuse me the union leadership because that's I think an important distinction at this point because it hasn't been put to the rank and file among the players >> oh I mean you just have to look at the history of Bruce Meyer who who took over for Tony Clark. I mean, Tony wasn't going to cave either, but Bruce Meyer certainly isn't. It just go back to his work with with the other leagues and the people he associates with. Um, they're all hardliners in this in this sense, and they've gotten a lot of gains for their players. I'm not saying it in a negative way necessarily, but their their their their tricks, I guess you could call it, not even tricks, but their their strategies really involve taking this to a deadline and maybe even beyond pushing ownership into an uncomfortable situation. And the whole key is obviously keeping the union together. Look, the rate and file are going to have a lot of different opinions because there's a lot more of them than there are owners. Um, but he's going to keep it as hardlined as he can.

[00:06:00]There's there's going to be a line in the sand until like March 1st at least.

[00:06:02]Bruh Buster, that's just just the way they operate.

[00:06:06]>> Do we know that uh on one side if the union has has even war gamed out the possibility of moving off that stance of absolutely no salary cap and do we know if the owners to this point have war gamed uh off the possibility of having a salary cap if I'm making sense?

[00:06:24]>> Yeah, it's a great question. I don't think the union has. I don't think the union has. I'm I'm sure ownership has in their own way because they've always relented. They've always fallen back on doing something else. Um so yeah, I think I think ownership understands the idea of giving giving up on it because they have in the past. Doesn't mean they will, but I think you know there all our heads are around a world with no salary cap whereas the union has always drawn that line in the sand. I don't think they've gamed that out at all. not not not under Bruce Meyer at least and certainly not for a long time here.

[00:06:59]>> So let's look at the potential weak points on both side. If you are a big market owner and you see the numbers on the first proposed cap, what could your reaction be uh based on and where your your franchise is historically? Let's say for example Los Angeles Dodgers. How are they going to feel about the cap that was proposed? Well, the first of all, they're first of all, they have to insist on a phase in period. You can't you can't go to from 350 million or whatever.

[00:07:27]>> Yeah. You got to grandfather some things in. There's the question of deferrals and all the league will address all that once the union accepts the idea of a cap. So, I I think that's the biggest thing. They'd say, "Hey, give us some time here. We got to phase this thing in." And um you know, at the end of the day, those big market owners want a salary cap as well. I mean, I think the untold story buster, if you can get Steve Cohen to talk about it, and all these guys, I think they hate being forced into spending the way they do just because of the market they're in.

[00:07:57]You know, if you are the Yankees or the Mets, you are expected to to buy free agents. And not always is it smart to to get every bigname free agent. You got to maybe you should target the right ones and the ones you know you're willing to pay for 10 years. So I I think I think they wouldn't mind a few handcuffs on them so they can tell their fan base, hey, can't spend any more, but we're going to try to win this way with these players. So I I I I think big market teams will go kicking and screaming in some ways because they're going to have to adjust their payroll status. But if it happens over time, they'll be happy with it. And frankly, I think they hate being forced to spend just because the markets they're in.

[00:08:33]>> Yeah, it's interesting, Jesse. earlier this week when uh we first heard from Major League Baseball on this exchange of ideas uh you know and baseball's insisting hey our fans are saying we need more competitive balance that's what we hear from our fans and I don't know we haven't been given all the data right exactly how they're getting that feedback from fans but I remember thinking 15 years ago getting phone calls from people in Major League Baseball basically saying we have great competitive balance >> because it was criticism that only the big market teams were winning and now it's going the other way. I think a lot of it is about cost certainty to your point.

[00:09:13]>> Uh the owners, you know, if you can tell a businessman he can know exactly what he's going to have to spend, that's pretty attractive from their perspective. Look, both I can poke holes and both of us could all day long on both arguments honestly. Let me let me give you a couple like the the league keeps saying this is what fans want.

[00:09:30]This is what fans want when it comes to payroll, you know, disparity. They want it a little bit more equal. You know what else fans want? They want lower ticket prices. I don't see baseball moving on that. Like, it's a convenient thing to say because it does does give them cost certainty and valuations of their teams go up. But on the on the player side, they keep saying, "Look at the standings. Look at the standings."

[00:09:50]Well, Buster, you know where I'm based.

[00:09:52]I'm in Chicago. And maybe I've said this to you before. essentially in in the AO and C AO and NO central I cover eight small market teams along with the Cubs and White Socks and sometimes the White Socks have acted like a small market team but there's eight small markets so automatically they're going to be sending teams to the playoffs and and look like contenders in August and September because both divisions are full of small market teams. So I think that's a poor argument on the on the player side. So we can poke holes on both sides. I don't know what the answer is. I don't. On one side, every other professional sport has a cap. On the other side, honestly, we all believe in the free market. I would hate if my industry had a cap. I'm sure you would as well. So, I wish I wish it could work under the current system, but I do think there's some argument to a team spending 400 million, another team spending 82 million. But what's the solution is certainly up for debate. So, on the flip side, we talked about the challenges, you know, potentially on the ownership side. I think of the players side, my sense is is that there's as much disconnect as I've ever seen between the rank and file and the players leadership. Uh, and I have felt that way. You know, when Tony Clark was was resigned his position, they brought in Bruce Meyer. That was the big challenge.

[00:11:10]Can you build a connection with the rank and file in what was a relatively short period of time? What do you think?

[00:11:17]>> What I think is fascinating is the the composition of the executive board. I'll just use Brent Sudter as a great example. I mean, Brent Sudter really is rank and file, but he's on that executive board. He's not a Boris client. He's not making 25 million a year or anything close to it. So, where does a guy like Brent Sudter fit into this whole thing? and and and is Brent Sudter the type that's more likely to listen to union uh to to league proposals that include higher minimums, higher uh you know potentially more money for the middle class in in different ways. You know, quicker avenues to arbitration and free agency.

[00:11:53]Like guys like Brent Sudter are fascinating players in my opinion because they're they're they're on both sides here in terms of the union within the union. They're on that rank and file side in some ways, but they're also part of the executive. But that is certainly different than union officials. Bruce Meyer is a hardline guy as I said before. So what's the what are those conversations like between Bruce Meyer and Brett Sudter for example? So I think that some of that's fascinating and Buster and I I don't know exactly where it all lands.

[00:12:22]>> No, I agree with you. I don't know where it is either. And I've talked about this before, the lack of representation for the Latin American players.

[00:12:28]>> Yeah. Which a third of the union. Um I again you wonder about the potential disconnect there and and how the union will uh will be able to overcome that as they get move the uh as they try to you know both sides go through negotiations and we get closer to the lockout which we I think everybody in baseball assumes it's going to happen on December 1st and then whatever happens subsequently.

[00:12:52]>> Uh I do have a couple of baseball questions for you. I'm sure you're absolutely disappointed by that. Buster, I skipped covering a game today for for labor stuff and so I'm already kind of upset. Like I I love the game. I don't love the labor of it.

[00:13:06]>> Exactly. Milwaukee Brewers on a pace to win a 100 games. When you're asked the question, how does this small market team do it? What's your answer?

[00:13:15]>> Okay, so it's it is part analytics. It is absolutely part analytics. Um but it's it it's it's really the processes they have in place and the dedication to them. I know that sounds kind of easy.

[00:13:29]Why isn't every team dedicated to their process? Because they don't. They just don't. They're they're either behind analytically or they just don't have all the departments working in the same manner towards the same goal. I've talked to the GM Matt Arnold about this often. A lot of his days are spent bringing the departments together, bringing the the nerdy analytic guy to the coaching staff and getting all those guys on the same page. And when you can only control one thing, when there's so many other things out of your control because you don't have money to spend, you focus on that one thing. It's what Andrew Freeman said to me, like he needs to be a doctor of the whole body. Matt Arnold just needs to be an expert at the knee, but he needs the needs to be the best knee doctor possible. And that so that's what I'm talking about. I mean, in in some ways, it's no secret sauce to it, but in other ways there is. It's just a complete dedication to how to run your team, similar to um how they play on the field. It's complete dedication to how to play the game because they don't have money to spend on boppers.

[00:14:36]So, that's it. Again, it's a a little bit of a secret, but it's really not.

[00:14:41]It's just knowing who you are and being so good at it.

[00:14:45]>> I'm going to get asked this question on PTI in a little while and I wanted to see what you thought. Offense is down.

[00:14:51]As we know, the batting average is the lowest that it's been since 1968.

[00:14:58]Is there anything coming down the pike?

[00:15:00]And before I I'll get I'll tell you what I'm going to tell them that my answer is they have so much on their plate at Major League Baseball at the moment. uh whether it's the labor negotiations or two years after they finish a CBA, they have the the new round of uh TV contracts coming up. They also we've heard about expansion. And I don't think there's necessarily a great elixir uh coming down the pike to help fix offenses. The one thing that was brought up the last time we were having this conversation when we thought defensive shifts were going to make a difference is that pie slice cut out behind second base. Because I don't know what you think, but I'm in games now and yes, the second baseman shortstop aren't lined up on the opposite side on the other side of the infield, but I see more and more middle infielders lined up just at the edge of that. I wonder if at some point Major League Baseball might step in and say, you know what, we're going to put that pie slice in there that nobody can go into.

[00:15:59]>> Yeah. No, that makes some sense. Um, the one thing that ABS has done though is increase the walk rate. So, the walk rate is up. The OBP is up. That doesn't mean you're going to get more hits. Now, maybe conceptually it should because if pitchers are walking too many guys, they might start throwing more pitches in the zone and maybe you get some more hits that way, but the stuff is so good. I'm not sure they're going to get more hits.

[00:16:23]So, you may have to legislate that way.

[00:16:25]I mean, the next technological uh using technology, the next advancement there is is on check swings. That's not going to help get more hits, right? Who cares, right? So, I'm not sure technology-wise they can do more. Um, you know, there's been some advancements in hitting, you know, um, but but every advancement in hitting is followed by an advancement in pitching preparation I'm talking about.

[00:16:47]So, yeah, I don't I don't have an answer, but I do agree with you. They are so tied up in labor until they get past that. Um, other than ABS, I'm not sure they're doing anything more on the field.

[00:16:58]>> And last one, TK Scubble. uh you know, at some point he's going to come back and and pitch very soon. And then the question is, will they wind up trading?

[00:17:06]First off, do you think he's going to be traded before the August 3rd deadline?

[00:17:10]And two, if you were to install early favorites, who would you have if you were to name two or three teams? Uh is long as he's back healthy, he's absolutely going to get traded before August 3rd. I mean, it'd be mal pract practice if he didn't. The Tigers are really bad. I mean, >> yeah, >> unless he fixes them, you know, if he fixes them, fine. but he's not going to have much time to do it. They're in the right division to get fixed, but it's been two months and they're just looking worse and worse to be honest. So, I absolutely do think he'll be traded. Um, boy, I think injuries are going to be a telltale sign uh come late July wi-i which contender lost their starting pitcher and that that might increase their need for for TKO. Not that, you know, every contender could use him now.

[00:17:53]Um, I I don't want to fall back on the Dodgers. I really don't. Um, you know, the a team like, you know, the Yankees have gotten healthy. The Yankees have gotten healthy on the mind. I don't think they would look for a starting pitcher, right? I mean, there's no need there.

[00:18:08]>> Yeah. I mean, and I What if like, you know, we've seen it. What if the Rays make a pitch or something like that?

[00:18:14]Now, the Rays have good starting pitching, too, but they don't have a guy like Scooble. And we've seen Tampa try to get involved in Freddy Freeman in the past, and there's always, we find out two years later, oh, Tampa made an offer to so and so, right? Hey, we're going to find out in 3 years they offer to judge 300 million. I won't be shocked if a team like Tampa seeing the landscape in the American League. That's why I think these American League teams that that have even a shot need to go for it. You know, the NL they might say, "Look, the wild card's good enough. If we upset the Dodgers, great. But we're not we're not we're not trading our farm system for Terk Scubble." I I So, sure the Dodgers, they always have pitching injuries. So, come July, they'll probably have a need for them. But I wonder if some some team out of nowhere like the Rays would would make a pitch for him. Um we're two months away, Buster. There's so much time between now and then that that there's so many things that are going to change starting with injuries. I think that's going to be the big one.

[00:19:08]>> Jesse, I've got the San Diego Padres's my early front runner if I'm going to put it, you know, in order. First off, they have a clear need, right? I mean, they've had to sort of manage their payroll. So Terrace School would be a big difference maker. You have new ownership being approved next week on a $3.9 billion sale. We know love how new owners love to make a mark with their fans on possible deals. And we know that AJ Peller is one of the general managers who's not worried about uh he knows that if he's trying to make the team better, that's his focus, not whether or not he's going to look bad making a trade.

[00:19:47]Does any of that make sense to you?

[00:19:48]>> Okay, so the last part makes the most sense to me. I think AJ Prowler would be willing to roll the dice, cross his fingers and hope the rest of the team is good enough because and I've said this on your pod before and we're already seeing it a little bit. I don't love the Padres's and I do wonder where they'll be in two months. That's why the the the the deadline coming on August 3rd gives teams a full four months to know what their team is all about. They've been hanging together by a thread mostly because of that bullpen. I give Lucas Gilito credit and the team going after him, but that offense is very shaky.

[00:20:23]We've seen it recently. So, boy, you'd be mortgaging a lot, we think, to get a guy like Scooball and you may not even make the playoffs. I right now they're in it obviously. Um, but but they are hanging by a threat in my opinion. So, you could look at it either way. He boosts their chances or it's a waste.

[00:20:41]But no impeller, he won't think of it as a waste. He'll think of it as a roll the dice, let's go for it. Exactly. All right, Jesse, thanks for doing this.

[00:20:49]Always fun to talk.

[00:20:50]>> Okay, Buster, take care.

[00:20:53]>> Sarah Langs is a reporter and producer for MLB.com, and she joins us every week with her information to play the numbers game. Number one, Show Otani became the first pitcher in more than a decade to allow no hits through the first six innings of a game, plus hitting a home run. Among those who have done that in the last 50 years, Jake Aretta on September 27th, 2015, Matt Kaine, April 12th uh in 2008.

[00:21:23]Carlos Sbrano, June 5th, 2006.

[00:21:28]Number two, Christopher Sanchez is the second pitcher since at least 1900 to make five plus starts in a calendar month and not allow a single run excluding openers joining Oral Hersheiser. September 1988. What a run that Christopher Sanchez is on. What a run that Oral Hersheiser had in 1988 when he set the record for most consecutive scoreless innings. And Aaron Ashby of the Milwaukee Brewers has nine wins this season. All in relief. That's tied with 1938's Mace Brown for the most wins and relief in a team's first 53 games since at least 1900.

[00:22:07]Todd Raum is the chief executive of our weekly quiz. He's a graphic artist whose work can be seen on ball fields all across America or all around the world.

[00:22:15]Or you can go to his website toddratom.com. Todd, how you doing? I am great. How are you today?

[00:22:22]>> I'm doing great. You have the look of a new author or an old author that has a new book. Maybe that would be more specific. The ballpark and beyond. And I feel like the birthing of that actually took place. There we go. Very nice. I've got mine. Thank you for that nice inscription you gave me. Uh it's a beautiful book. Uh tell me, you know, just sort of like the initial seat of it because we were kicking around ideas on what your weekly segment would be in the podcast and you just built on that.

[00:22:53]>> Well, Buster, first of all, sincere thanks. Uh could not have done this without you. So integral to the book.

[00:23:00]We'll talk about that and you're a very kind forward. Um so again, you are such a big part of this. But yeah, we we have brainstormed in the past about a segment which really needs legs. You need to be able to stretch this out over potentially 35 weeks deep into November maybe. Who knows? But uh uh when we talked about this several years ago, uh I really thought about something that would be expansive and uh and and interesting things that have never been talked about before perhaps. And uh it was a good challenge. We struck upon it and here it is now in book form, expanded and illustrated.

[00:23:41]>> How do you like it? I mean, when it arrived on your on your front doorstep and it when the publisher sent you one, what was your as you're going through it? How are you feeling, >> Buster? I've been saying it lived in this weird liinal space for me for about a year and a half where it was trapped inside my brain and in a computer and uh in emails. And so to actually get the physical product was very affirming, very rewarding. It it it's tactile. It feels good in your hands. And so to see it and to be able to exhale a little bit and get ready to share it with the larger world was very rewarding and cool. People want to find it where?

[00:24:19]>> Wherever books are sold. As they say, >> as they say, Bill, very nice, very cool.

[00:24:26]And and congratulations again. Yeah, when you asked me to write the forward, I was incredibly honored. Although, I will say my partner Liz, man, she was like reading over my copy going, "What are you thinking with that?" And what are you thinking with that? And I'm like, "No, no, no. We're good. Todd and I are good. We'll work it out." We we've known each other for how many years, Buster?

[00:24:44]>> Oh my gosh. Well, it's got to be like 40 years at this point. Something like >> something like >> something like >> something like so >> something like.

[00:24:51]>> Yeah. All right. Well, very personal. I appreciate all of it.

[00:24:55]>> Absolutely. Uh let's get to this week's quiz. Week number four, Buster. Here we go. What is Cal Raleigh's given first name? Is it A, Caleb? Is it B, Calvin?

[00:25:07]Is it C, Calbertt? Or is it D Steven?

[00:25:11]>> Cal Ry's given first name. Caleb Calvin.

[00:25:14]Calbertt or Stephen.

[00:25:16]And I feel really stupid that I don't know the answer to this cuz I talked to his dad uh last summer and I should know this, right? I I absolutely should know this.

[00:25:29]And knowing that he's from upstate Vermont, he he uh his dad lived in an area about an hour from the dairy farm that I grew up on. his family bought a farm about 400 acres I think if I remember the number correctly up uh north of Burlington and so given that background I'm going to go Calbert you overthink things all the time it is Caleb Buster it is Caleb >> now I wasn't going to guess Caleb >> and it's not dumper by the way just as long as we know that so you've been on fire you've slowed down a little bit but understandable Yeah. Well, I know, but I I that was one I feel stupid for not knowing his true name. So, >> well, I'm glad I finally got you. Next week, >> I can tell you this. He loves Vermont maple syrup and uh a family friend who's also a college coach refers to him as bacon cuz when he was growing up as a kid, that's what he ingested.

[00:26:28]>> I love it. He seems like a bacon. I know a guy with a bulldog named Bacon.

[00:26:33]You know, >> all right, Todd, thanks for doing this and again, congrats on the book.

[00:26:38]>> Thanks so much, Buster. Great to see you.

[00:26:40]>> All right, Bleacher tweets here on Friday heading into the weekend. Got a couple good questions here. Uh, first one comes from Henry. Henry says, "Hey, Buster. My name's Henry from Trophy Club, Texas. I'm 14 years old. The relievers on the Padres's are really our only shining star, and our hitters are completely lost at the plate. So, do you think Craig Stamon/AJ Prowler will stick with our lineup as is, or do you think we will change things up and trade for some of the guys at the deadline or call up minor leaguers for a spark? The same thing goes for our starters. They're pitching well enough, but we might run out of gas and some big arms at the deadline would really give us a shot of confidence to boost us. I'm a big fan of yours, Buster, and as always, boo Dodgers.

[00:27:23]Okay, Henry, I'm sure you enjoyed our conversation with Anthony Gwyn last week. Um, first off, uh, if you know AJ Peller's history, then he absolutely will be aggressive at the trade deadline. And that is gooseed by the reality that the Padres's next week will have new ownership, who just bought the team for a record $3.9 billion.

[00:27:45]So, you're not going to have new owners kind of spend that kind of money and then come in and not do anything to improve the team. So, not only do I think that they are one of the sleeper teams for trick school, but I also think that they'll be aggressive. AJ is typically aggressive in finding solutions at the trade deadline uh to help the offense. So, yes, I think they'll do some stuff.

[00:28:04]>> Our next question comes from Norman in Dallas. Norman, he says he never misses an episode. Um he has a very specific question for you and your son, Buster.

[00:28:13]He says, "Since we passed the quarter poll of the season, I was hoping for an update on Buster and his son's fantasy theme.

[00:28:20]All right. And it's a volatile history, Kenny. I don't think you've heard this.

[00:28:23]So, two years ago, Jake and I, who did, he just graduated from Hofster, and he's a big numbers guy, loves sports. Uh, we go through drafts and we just argue o over players all the time. Uh, and two years ago, we won the championship going away in our fantasy league. Last year was a disaster. A and, uh, it led to a lot of recrimination and a lot of back and forth between father and son about how we're going to run this year's draft. Uh, I just got an update as we were speaking from Jake. This year's team is in first place by a couple of points, but of course he's complaining about a couple of my picks, including Heraldo Perdomo, the shortstop of the Arizona Diamondbacks. Uh, he needs him to hit better and I I I need him to hit better to uh to make his case to keep him on the team.

[00:29:11]>> Thanks to any everyone for sending in um tweets and questions, continue to send them in. Bleacher [email protected].

[00:29:17]Thanks for tuning in to the Baseball Tonight podcast presented by Lintita by Windham. Tonight, Lita, tomorrow you shine. Just a quick note for any college ball fans at the Women's College World Series started on Thursday on the ESPN Family Networks. We're hoping to talk to Jessica Mendoza last next week and men's college baseball tournament action kicks off today with the regionals also on the ESPN networks. And Kenny, I'm excited.

[00:29:44]We got a couple great guests coming up next week. Cam Schlitler and Travis Bazana of the Cleveland Guardians. Those two guys, I mean, those should be two really fun conversations. So, that uh that's going to be a lot of fun. My thanks today to Kenny uh to Jesse Rogers, to Todd Raidom, to Sarah Langs.

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