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Transport continued to dominate South Africa's inflation basket in June, cementing its position as the largest contributor to headline consumer inflation. This comes as annual price growth accelerated to 5%. According to stats that say the transport category contributed 1.7 percentage points to the annual inflation rate. Chief director for price statistics Patrick Kelly says transport inflation accelerated largely on the back of a surge in fuel prices.
>> Fuel prices climbed by 34.3% in the past 12 months. Higher fuel prices have had a knock-on effect on passenger transport inflation which registered a monthly rise of 8.1% in June.
The Mazanga Commission has been told that it was the investigating directorate against corruption that asked member of Parliament Fadial Adams to file a complaint against senior crime intelligence officers. Head of IDC Andrea Johnson has been testifying at the commission regarding the factional battles between her unit and the SAPS's crime intelligence unit. Last year, Ida arrested the unit's boss, Dumsani Kumalo, and several of his colleagues for fraud and corruption. Previous witnesses at the commission accused IDACK of pursuing a baseless case against the officers due to political influence. Tabbya reports.
>> In November 2024, Cedric Gabind, the chief of staff to police minister Senzonu wrote to IDAC that they must engage with National Colored Congress MP Fadil Adams regarding his complaint about corruption at crime intelligence.
IDC then engaged Adams and requested him to prepare a section 27 affidavit which it needs to investigate any matter. IDC head Andrea Johnson was challenged when she took exception that she solicited the affidavit from Adams. You solicited that affidavit. Do you now agree?
>> I agree.
>> As you sit here today, is that appropriate of IDC to be soliciting complaints from members of the public on the basis of which then IDC initiates investigations? No, we're not supposed to solicit. And that is why I'm saying I tell Mr. Pama to engage Mr. Adams. I don't know if this was a prepared affidavit already.
>> Documents before the commission show Adam's affidavit was prepared 2 weeks after IDAC received that letter from the police minister's chief of staff. Tabisa Eyewitness News. The state says there are still outstanding investigations in the extradition case of a UK man accused of killing his wife and daughters before fleeing to South Africa. Doddana Chuma made a brief appearance in the Johannesburg Magistrate's Court today where he abandoned his bail application.
Chuma was arrested in Kensington earlier this month after fleeing his home in England. His case has been postponed to August the 27th Malingi was in court.
Dota Nachuma remains behind bars as UK authorities seek his extradition to face three murder charges. The state told the court it has received preliminary extradition documents from the United Kingdom, but investigations are still underway before the formal extradition process can proceed. Prosecutor Lorraine Khadzi.
>> The only thing that is finalized to date is the 212 statement regarding accused person's legality in the country. still abstaining his further documentation from the United Kingdom.
>> The prosecution has undertaken to provide the extradition documents to the defense which told the court it has so far received only Chuma's arrest warrant or see Konamni Eyewitness News in Johannesburg.
>> There has been some debate in court over the use of photographs as evidence in the attempted murder trial of alleged crime boss Matala and his four co-acused. The pictures were taken this morning by one of the defense attorneys at the Centurion Golf Estate. This is where an alleged attempt was made on the life of taxi boss Joe Ferrari Sonyi in 2022. Madla, his wife, and three others face a combined 25 charges related to three separate attempted murder cases.
Dimatro has more. The state objected to the use of photographs, arguing it had been barred from introducing video footage of the shooting the previous day because the [snorts] footage had not been properly authenticated. Prosecutor advocate Elise Laru submitted that no proper foundation had been laid for the photographs to be admitted saying they too had not been authenticated. It is unacceptable. What is good for the goose is good for the ganda. So we were stopped from presenting visuals of clear video footage of the incident and now the defense wants to follow the same line. It is just not fake to the state.
>> Meanwhile, advocate Nardasia, who represents accused number two, Mabusella told the court he took the photographs himself at 6:00 this morning. He says the images were intended to assist the state's first witness, security guard, to identify the exact position where he was when the alleged shooting took place. These are simply just a photograph of what it looks like. We can go on inspection in with the greatest of respect. This is the easiest and simplest way and it's actually assisting the state with respect. the sour grapes because she was unable to get the video evidence in. Now I want to object to photographs.
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>> And in France, a prominent modeling scout with close ties to the late US financeier Jeffrey Epstein has been found dead at his home. Daniel Seat was one of several French men accused of aiding Epstein to traffic and abuse women. Before his death, Sead had repeatedly denied the allegations against him. He was the subject of an investigation conducted by the office specializing in combating human trafficking. Seat's name appeared in more than 1,000 documents released as part of the declassified Epstein files.
Gold is trading at $4,116.39 an ounce. The rand is at 1646 to the dollar, 2201 to the pound, $1878 to the euro and bren crude oil is at $94.36 a barrel.
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My name is Kis. I'm in for this afternoon. It's just gone 9 minutes past 1. Welcome to the Wednesday edition of 702 Afternoons. We are approaching the end of July, the coldest month of the year. And listen, I am really excited to be leaving winter. I don't know about you, but I'm ready to let go of the coats, to let go of the jackets. Someone please tell Summer that I am ready for him to show up. Coming up on the show, it's a Wednesday, so we're going to be talking money on the finance feature.
And today, we take a look at stockfells.
South Africa has quite a culture when it comes to stock bells. We're taking a look at the different types of stock bells. Which ones do you believe work for you? And do they really provide optimum uh value, savings value, or is it just better to put your money in an account, an interest bearing account?
We're having that conversation uh a little after 130. And then in the second of the show, it's a conversation I'm really really looking forward to. It's our master class and we're going to be talking about how to become a pilot. I'm so excited for that. I don't know about you, but I've always considered pilots to be it's a fancy job. It's it's a a prestigious dream job and often times kids will tell you I want to be a pilot.
Also, when I look at the pilots walking through the airport, yeah, it looks um it's it's very enticing, I think. So we're going to be having a conversation with people in that space. Limu a senior political instructor and a student pilot are our guests for that. That is just after 2:00. So if you had or have dreams and ambitions of being a pilot, please tune in for that. But also if you have a child who's interested in this field, please get in touch with us.
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So, I don't know about you, but how is the traffic in the mornings now that the kids are back at school? I have been just watching the roads. I was very lucky um over the last was it yesterday and and Tuesday that I didn't have to leave the house too early, but today I had to get out quite early. And I realized as I was on the roads that oh, the kids are back at school and that's why the traffic is looking so horrible around Johannesburg. Uh, but I'm sure parents are happy to have the kids back at school. No one uh opening your fridge every 2 minutes. And uh I know that many parents like to have the kids at school because when they're at home, they need to find things for them to do. But uh I mean, if you are a parent and your child is going back for term three, it's a shorter term compared to the others, relatively short. I'm sure many parents are considering subjects at this time of the year. you're thinking uh you can see already what subjects your child needs support uh in. You know where they their strengths lie and what they could do better. And um and hopefully you're getting help for them. You know, if if you've identified something or I mean, you know, actually I learned from from from a from a professional the other day online that you should also be getting support and help for your child even if they're not struggling like to get them from that 60 to an 80. You should definitely get support. And I think sometimes we leave these things too late or we only think the child that needs support is the child that is struggling.
And I know that there are subjects that kids generally struggle with. For example, mathematics is a difficult one that I've heard. I don't I've I've decided to teach myself not to say maths is difficult. Um and I'm doing that because I don't want my children to believe that it's difficult and then they approach it from the mindset or with the mindset that it is difficult.
But I know that many parents say kids are struggling with mathemat mathematics. Science is another one. Uh physics in particular. I know parents will say the kids need support there.
And I I've been I've been thinking about subjects in my schooling that I struggled with or ones that made me think and question my intelligence. You know there's that subject man that no matter how hard you try and you think no this time this time this time I aced it and it comes back and it humbles you [laughter] and you must reconsider your intelligence. What are some of those subjects for you that that really humbled you when you were in school? uh one such subject when I was in varsity not in school so I I studied accounting and I think I applied myself quite a bit uh in varsity but there was a module man that just gave me a very difficult time it was management accounting h and it's a it's a module at UNISA it's called um MAC 371 and in that module you've got uh performance measurement I think was one was one part of it there was also costing as part of um budgeting, capital budgeting. I know my accounting people know exactly what I'm talking about. Management accounting 371 really humbled me. It made me realize that yeah, you're not as smart as you think you are. In high school, I think maybe it was uh physics. Physics gave me a difficult time and not I don't think it's because I didn't understand.
I think I was overwhelmed. So, what are some of those subjects for you that made you question your intelligence? Even though you thought you were smart, you knew what you were doing, you thought, you know, I aced it and the results come back and they show you flames and you realize that no man, hey, maybe I need a bit of support, maybe I need a bit of help. I do see some of your messages coming through on Facebook, but also give me a call on 0183072.
I'd love to hear from you as well as 07272172.
That is the WhatsApp line. I see Rick uh on Facebook saying, "Civil procedure."
This was his LLB. He says, "To this day, I avoid anything written civil. It traumatized me." Oh, I understand, Rick.
I understand that trauma. Yeah. Where you just avoid the books for a while. In fact, when I finished when I finished um MAC 371, I put the book aside. I didn't look at it ever again. It's a blue book.
I can see it even now. I haven't seen it in many, many years, but when I close my eyes, I can see it. I can picture it.
That book still traumatizes me. Uh, Mudi Mi says, "Ma3C 371 and STAs." Bong Mi, "Hey, how have you dealt with that trauma? Did you ever pass? I mean, I think I did MAC 371. I think I wrote it two to three times. Listen, I'm being vulnerable here. Don't use this information against me." I think I I wrote MAC 371 three times. I think I passed it on the third try. And I can tell you after I passed it, I said, "Yeah, there is a god out there."
[laughter] Sally says, "Mathematics, I blame the teachers of that thing." And that other teacher from primary school didn't like me and I got childhood trauma. I need counseling about maths. Listen, a big part of it is the teacher. In fact, what kept me going when I was in high in varsity with my accounting is that my accounting teacher in high school used to say, "You will never have a future in accounting." And I I wanted to show her name was Mrs. Miller. Mrs. Miller, you know what? You motivated you kept me going. I wanted to prove you wrong that I could actually pass this thing and get through this degree. And I did. I did.
Yeah. So, the teachers are a big part of it. uh being encouraging the language that they use around these subjects. You know, you have a teacher who tells you, "Listen, you must focus. Maths is in place. You know, maths is not not a walk in the park." How about we teach the children that it is a walk in the park, you know, that that that they can do it, that it's something that they can actually achieve. um and and not create this this environment that oh my goodness it's just so difficult and only the best of the best the top 1% uh will be able to succeed. Gabo says mathematics and technical drawing in high school only to meet communication science later in life. Oh your troubles didn't end. Yeah, you learn very quickly once you leave high school that this thing doesn't end. You will always meet a subject that is really really um that that challenges you and maybe that's a good thing. You know, you don't want to be doing subjects that just you all of them are just easy. You know, I think challenging you teaches you a lesson that you must apply yourself that things don't just come easy in life. Hey, but it can be a humbling humbling experience. Oscar says, "I got bullied by mathematics till I jumped the fence."
[laughter] [gasps] I like how you put it. Yes, you were bullied.
You know, I I I I'm interested in why so many children struggle with math because I don't think it's it's true that our kids are not capable. I I I don't believe so. I do think that our kids are capable. I just I wonder why there's just so many children who struggle and and they they go through school and varsity sometimes believing that they are just not gifted. In fact, I was saying to a friend the other day that we should also stop using the language that oh uh I'm I'm not a I'm not a numbers person. I think that's what we say. I'm guilty of that one. Sometimes when I when I um wanted to make myself feel better, I would say, you know, I'm not really a numbers person. I need to apply myself a lot more there. But I'm choosing to start saying and believing that I can be a numbers person. I do see some of your WhatsApps coming in and your voice notes. Prosper also sent us a WhatsApp saying good day. There's a module called PYC2606 basic measurement and questionnaire design for psychology psychology degree.
It was the only one that was standing in my way of getting my degree. It's a mountain climbing experience. Hey. Oh, prosp let me tell you. You know, I think you look back I'm interested. Is it proper? I'm sorry. I think I read your name wrong there. Proper. Um, um, I think I want to hear from you. When you look back now and you think about it, were you not talented? Were you not gifted in that? Or was it your mindset?
Because I look back now at MAC 371 and I want a rematch. You know, sometimes I think, hey, maybe if I if I did something different, I could have I could have passed this on the first try.
I also think think that about uh maths, high school math, right? that sometimes I think maybe I I need a rematch.
Especially when I watch the videos now, you know, there's those uh tutorials that play on television from time to time and I look at them and I'm like, how? But I could have done this. I actually could have succeeded with this.
And and maybe it's because I'm not doing it anymore. Maybe I'm not being very honest. But yes, sometimes in my head I think I need a rematch with this and show it that I'm actually I'm actually not that bad at this. Let's take some of your voice notes.
>> To me, it was Africans like especially you do it in black schools and then you pass it but you don't know how. Like even today I don't understand Africans except for hu but you passed it. So yeah, it's so funny.
Hey Moto, talking about difficult subjects in high school because I've always known that I wanted to go to medical school after high school. So obviously had to choose life sciences and physics and whatnot. But in my school, if you chose physics and life sciences, then you had to had to do um mathematics. It was called pure at the time.
Oh my goodness, I hated it so much that I didn't actually put any effort into it. Um, but I did do well enough to get into, you know, to get into medical school, but I absolutely hated maths and oh my goodness.
>> You see, that's that that that's the thing, right? Once you hate it, once you dislike it, it becomes so difficult to apply yourself and actually want to try because you've already you've decided you've got a position on this subject and you're thinking I hate this thing so much. And I do think that a big contributing factor is if we were to start speaking more positively about it.
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>> Welcome back. It's 26 minutes past 1. My name is Mudis. I'm in for this afternoon. We're talking about that school subject or module that made you question your intelligence and why. I saw one from Spo says good day. So, Africans and maths gave me a tough time.
Africans is also a popular one that features quite a bit on the list of subjects that people struggle with. And I find that to be interesting because I didn't struggle with Africans. I mean, I I I think I did really well with Africans. That convinced me that I think I'm a a language person over a numbers person because I didn't I was cruising nicely, man. I think if I applied myself more in Africans, I I would have gotten out even with the distinction. But I thought I'm cruising, you know.
I mean, I had it right. I had it. I was I was rolling there in Africa. I wasn't having any problems you know um but it was the math uh the science more actually for me that was really challenging uh HRC HR says hi oh management accounting was also my nightmare I think partly people struggle with maths because they don't know the multiplication tables you can't rely on a calculator your brain is the calculator please ask people why they struggle with chemistry listen I understand that especially when it comes to to Mac or manac, whatever you call it as an accountant. Um, you're right.
There's no time for you to be using the calculator of everything. At some point, your brain is doing the calculation as you go. And if you struggled with maths in high school or if you really crawled to the finish line, you're going to have a difficult time when you are in in varsity, you know, especially when it comes to a subject like Mac. Now, when it comes to chemistry, I don't know. I was among those ones that uh my physics marks were supported by chemistry or my physical science because you know how they combined physical science between physics and chemistry together. My chemistry mark was what was carrying my final science mark. If there was no chemistry, hey, things would have been really really bad. Let's take some of the voice notes. Good day. My husband is definitely listening to this. We've been together for years and his mountain to climb was a subject called um mechanics of machines or something like that. Oh, I just knew machines. Oh, machines was the the hill he had to climb. The mountain he almost died on to get his mechanical engineering degree. Oh, machines.
>> Um it's um nice topic. Look, I think what um end up making kids dislike maths, it's um how adults present uh maths as a difficult subject.
>> Yeah.
>> To them as an at an early age. Um and um if you start doing that uh and when a child gets an a an answer wrong and you start hammering and say, "Yeah, math is difficult." You'll never do anything.
And that will always have a negative impact. And um we we ought to start uh teaching our kids very basic things um uh how to add, how to subtract and those I think adults can do. I mean I I still battle to understand why people say they don't understand maths but when they have money in their pocket they know exactly what goes out and what comes in.
>> Still boggles my mind. Moody say, >> "You know what, Muria? You're on to something. You You're definitely on to something." You're right. People do it's a it's a mindset thing. It's how we talk about it. It's what we say about it.
When people say things are difficult, we approach them uh, you know, differently.
And we approach them from a position that this thing is difficult. Dant in the comment section says his subject was woodworking.
[laughter] Dant, what was difficult about woodwork?
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>> Thanks, Kamoto. Good afternoon. The investigating director at corruption has denied influencing a complaint by National Colored Congress member of Parliament Fadil Adams. It's been established at the Mazanga Commission today that it was IDC that approached Adams to make a sworn statement regarding his suspicions of corruption at crime intelligence. Head of IDC, Andrea Johnson, has been testifying before the commission today.
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>> Welcome back. It is 25 minutes at 22 and of course we're talking about those high school subjects or a module that made you question your intelligence and why.
Let's take a call. Bua, you're in Boxburg. Good afternoon. Thank you so much for calling in.
>> Good afternoon.
Mine is different. N >> you know um I used to love mathematics.
>> Yeah.
>> And then I started when we were in those days when it was called form three.
>> And then um when we went to form four and form five which is grade 11 and 12 in today's language.
>> Yes. Um we went to a school in the free state and then let me say I attended a school in the free state and then we didn't have mathematics teachers.
>> Yeah.
>> But because of the No, what I'm saying is somebody who was in you know what you can know a thing but don't know how to teach it.
>> I'm a teacher and I know exactly. You can know about something but don't know how to teach it.
>> Or you might have learned about it but you don't know how to teach it.
>> So it means it's a question of knowledge impartation.
So because I loved mathematics and I learned that mathematics is not a question of like you are learning it like history.
history you can read about Hitler and whoever and whoever but mathematics we know it by practicing.
>> Yes.
>> So um I used to practice math. I used to and I was aware of the predicament I'm in. I also wanted to be a doctor.
>> So um I thought you know what this is one subject I cannot do without.
And then I studied hard and the teachers were honest enough. You know what? I've just been pushed in here to teach maths to teach you maths. And imagine I we are in metric.
>> So I'm just being pushed in here to teach you maths. I don't know anything about mathematics.
>> Yeah.
>> They were honest enough. So that gave me the extra muscle to say girl come on read, study, learn. Were you were you that girl in class who was correcting the teacher? The one who was saying ma'am ma'am that's not it. [laughter] >> I used to tell one thing with me don't waste my time especially why when I know what I'm doing. [laughter] >> I'm the teacher hated to see you coming.
>> Especially when it comes to algebra you name it geometry. You name it, mrigonometry.
Hey, don't waste my time because I had the what you call it now the source the root. I had one of the teachers in my form three.
>> Yeah.
>> And then he taught me and I knew that I know what I know.
>> Yeah.
>> So you couldn't tell me otherwise.
He taught me so well that when you talk about the function of X, I knew what you are talking about.
>> Yeah.
>> You could not tell me otherwise.
So L and the teacher scratching his head and I'm so short now. You won't believe it.
[laughter] >> That's Buho in Boxburg. Listen, I I I I actually want to sit down and have tea with Bu because I think she she she has um she's got the files on these teachers that didn't know what they were doing.
Do you remember the person in your class who would who would say, "Ma'am, that that that's not it." You know, no, ma'am, I don't think that's correct.
Ma'am, you missed a step there. And and and and did you like that girl or or that guy in class? Be honest. Did you like them? [gasps] Thank you so much for that call. I want to get through one or two of your voice notes. Let's take a listen.
>> Oh, I love this subject and I couldn't agree with you more that your language and the language we use towards our little people impacts how they believe it. I've seen it firsthand. When my little men started in grade one and their first maths or little sums came, I just kept saying, "Wow, look how easy it is. Look how amazing it is. These kids three years later are loving maths and it's their best subject." Um, and I believe it is how we approached it. I do also believe that problem solving lies in maths and if I don't push my boys to climb the walls at the jump places or to climb a tree, they don't learn to solve a problem. And I think the foundation of math, and I'm not saying higher grade math and be a rocket scientist in it, it does apply to problem solving. Um, that's just my view, but I love talking about it and just hearing everybody's views.
>> Hi, thank you so much for the wonderful show. I actually enjoy having you on the radio. Um, and I'm wishing you well. For me, it's Africans. You know, my Africans teacher was actually racist towards me.
So I have this mental mind block against Africans because I am triggered by the trauma and the abuse that I experienced uh by my Africans teacher.
Anyway, I yeah, I don't want anything to do with that language. I'm sorry. I know it's it's one of the 12 official languages, but uh yeah, I am 44 this year and I am traumatized and I think I will die traumatized by that language.
Thanks for a great show. Cheers. Bye.
>> Sure.
A subject that humbled me was accounting. Yo. Yeah. Accounting showed me that I I'm not as as as I don't know I don't know what cuz you see thing is I'm a very very very good mathematician you know like I'm a mathematician like math is nothing to me.
So [snorts] I thought if nothing I don't want that subject I don't want anything that has to do with accounting.
Yeah.
>> Oh, thank you so much for those voice notes. Listen, I think the the the theme here that I'm hearing this afternoon is how people think about the subject matters, right? I'm also learning that uh that many of you most of you struggled with math. And I think that um it's worth having that conversation on the show, you know, about why children have this uh position when it comes when it comes to math. I refuse to believe that most kids struggle with math or don't know how to do math. Or maybe I should say I refuse to believe that most kids are not gifted when it comes to math. That cannot be the truth. We can't be saying I mean, you know, I was looking at the numbers the other day and how so many of of of um learners in school, [clears throat] excuse me, learners in school are opting to do mathlets lit, but also they're being encouraged, so pushed that way. And that can't be that can't be the case. I don't believe that it's because kids just can't do math. I do think there's a greater problem here. But thank you so much for sharing your stories with us.
It's not easy for you to share about things that humbled you and things that made you rethink and reconsider your intelligence, but I hope one day like uh UCI and many others, I hope one day you'll have an opportunity to have a rematch with those subjects and show them what you're made of.
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It's 15 minutes before 2 and it's time for the finance feature right here on 702 afternoons. I'm looking forward to this conversation because South Africa has quite a solid culture when it comes to stockfells. We all know someone who's been part of a stockfell or maybe you are the person uh that is the queen of the stockfell. I have memory of my mother. Excuse me. I've got memory of my mother. uh every at least once a month uh in in in that month she'd say you know which basically meant she's going to meet the other ladies that are part of a stockfell with her but also we also know many people in South Africa rely on stockfells to be able to save for unfortunate uh instances and situations like death so we're speaking stock bells as we wrap up savings month July is savings month according to the national stockfell association of South Africa there around 800,000 of these communities based deposit taking clubs nationwide with combined assets worth 50 billion rand. More than 11 million South Africans take part in at least one stock fell. For that kind of conversation, uh Erica Leeberg, the head of communications for just money is joining me. Erica, good afternoon. Thank you so much for your time.
>> Good afternoon. It's nice to be with you this afternoon.
>> I love having this conversation, Erica, because I mean I know all about Stockfells. I consider myself one of the queens of the stockfell. I have never missed an opportunity to save my money through the stockfell and I do think that this is this is quite a solid culture in our country, isn't it?
>> It absolutely is and there's a number of reasons for that. You know, you've highlighted some of them there and and one is, you know, it's that discipline.
It's that sense of community, that sense of auntu doing something together and encouraging each other to save. You know, it's so much easier doing it in tandem than it is trying to establish that discipline on your own.
>> And and and I mean, I was interesting interested to realize that there are a lot more stockfells than we than we realize. I mean, I know there's the the funeral, the burial society as we call it, which is um a popular one. I've also seen grocery stockfells, but I was speaking to Pitta, the producer of the show, and she said she used a stockfell to save for a car even.
>> Yeah, absolutely. There are so many different kinds. You know, you've mentioned grocery clubs and and burial societies. There's also investment groups and there are very specific stocks, you know, things like school fee savings or festive season celebration.
There are so many. There's literally a stockfell for every occasion.
>> So, how does one go about identifying the stockfell that would work best for you? Because I do think that a risk if you are so eager when it when it comes to stock stockfells like me and you you know when you hear the word stockfell you think yep this is for me. I don't think all stock fells work for people.
>> No exactly and you know one of the reasons is just by their nature that they do tend to be based around a specific savings goal. So that's always got to be your good your first question.
It's a good starting point to say you know is this stock fell aligned with what it is that I'm trying to achieve?
And that can be anything from, you know, the specific uh fund if you like that we mentioned earlier to sort of longerterm investments that you're looking to to acquire or to achieve. And it's a hugely powerful savings tool, but it's got to align with your own financial goals and budget. And you know, one of the big problems that we see is this temptation to sort of join multiple stock fells.
And and really there's nothing wrong with that because they've all got different goals. you know, they've got different uh group composition. They've got different rules and all sorts of goodies that can work for you, but at the same time, you know, you need to make sure it's a stock fell that's that's moving in the direction it needs to move in in terms of what you're doing and one that aligns with your budget, you know, because there's no point belonging to 10 or 15 stocks, let's say, and some people do. Yeah.
>> And um you know, and then not having enough budget to meet your household essentials for the month. That's not going to help you. Or you know if you're forced to take credit you know take up credit for basic items because you are so overcommitted to stockfells you know in that case the stock fells are actually working against you rather than working to help you achieve your long-term financial goals then it's it's all about that right whether it's short-term goals long-term goals at the end of the day if that stock fell is helping you to achieve it is very materially contributing to your future financial security you know your long-term financial security and that's what you want to be sure And and I suppose then the question becomes how do you know whether to enter you know or to join a stockfell because you're right it is tempting you you think oh I'm saving and I'm going to have uh this lump sum at the end of this which is which is amazing. So so how do you know whether I should enter the stockfill or not?
>> Yeah. So so the first question is you know is is it going to help me achieve my savings goal? you know, what kind of track record does the stock fell have?
Has it been around for a while? And it's very crucial to check for good governance because even though stocks tend to be a bit less formal in nature and that's one of the beautiful things about them, right? Because, you know, if somebody is unbanked, you know, they don't access have access to formal banking. you know, a stock fell can really present a good opportunity for them to step on on the ladder in terms of investments and savings, but it's got to be one that is is well governed, you know, and in terms of the law, you know, stocks that are that have 100,000 rand plus in value or in accumulated funds are actually required to register with a self-regulatory organization of some sort. And you you mentioned the National Association of Stockwells earlier, that's one there are other organizations as well. So the first is to check, you know, is it registered? Do we have an accumulation of funds that require it to register? Is it registered? Yes or no.
Has it got written rules or a constitution? And that's absolutely crucial because you need to be sure, for example, that if somebody fails to contribute, you know, how does the stockfell deal with that? Or, you know, if you know that there's a chance somewhere down the track you might not be able to contribute, is the stock bell fair in the way that it deals with that?
And what kind of leadership does it have? You know, you you want to avoid these stock fells that are built wholly around a celebrity, let's say. You know, somebody who's a famous name. They might not be famous in the financial sector, but they're famous elsewhere. So, that's very enticing because you feel like that person's got credibility in their field.
They do, but building a stock fell around a celebrity is is a bit of a red flag actually if that's all they've got going for them. And you want to make sure that they're keeping proper records. you know, reg contributions and payouts need to be recorded. There needs to be regular reporting that's accessible to you. And if you're asking questions around these things, and really you must, you know, if these things aren't self-evident and provided to you when you're considering joining a stock fell, if there's not some kind of information pack given to you and they don't like the questions that you're asking, another red flag. That is not the stock fell for you. Definitely not.
But if all of those things are in place and that stock fell is heading towards a savings goal that is right for you and you're sure you're going to be able to to meet the monthly contributions because you definitely don't want to join a stock fell saying to yourself, "Oh, you know, I think uh you know, maybe six months out of 12 I I'll be fine. The other the other months I'm going to straight." Nuh-uh. That's that's a red flag as well. It's not going to work for you. M and over the years we've been seeing the sophistication of the stockfell you know um where now there's actual legal documents that people sign as you mentioned being registered with with a body what are some of the systems and the and the changes that we're seeing in that space to almost elevate because initially it it was more of an informal setup but I do think that um you know the the move and the shift that we've seen in this space has demanded that We we we we sophisticate the stockfell space.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And and here's the thing, you know, because stockfells they are becoming less formal less informal, although there are still some very informal stock fells, but you know, exactly as you say, I think because people are scrutinizing more carefully and and unfortunately because scams are so common in South Africa and we are actually the cyber crime capital of the world, believe it or not. Frightening, frightening. And I think people have really become alert to the fact and with the rise in AI as well and deep fakes and those sorts of things that are happening, you know, and South Africans tend to be savvy in general. So I think for all of those reasons, the industry is becoming, you know, it's holding itself to a higher standard. And I say that because, you know, it is it is exempt from the bank's act as such.
Meaning it's still about self-regulation.
And really, you know, if there's less than 100,000 accumulated funds, there's nobody standing up and saying, "Okay, but you must be registered with the National Association of Stocks or a similar body." So that self-regulation is is the crucial aspect and I think the Stockfell industry at large is coming to understand that, you know, it's crucial.
It's really about protecting their members and protecting yourself as a stockfell, you know, if you want to say elected committee member because legal action can ensue if and you know there are a number of legal actions that can be taken if things go wrong. But if we have a look for example at what what banks require from a stock fell if a stock fell wants to open a bank account and increasingly stocks are opting for bank accounts because it the cash situation is just way too risky. Storing funds in mattresses big no to subject to theft and household fires and all sorts of you know issues. But if a stockfell for example wants to open a bank account, they must have a signed constitution.
>> And that constitution needs to outline objectives, rules, management structures. Speaker documentation becomes an issue. They need to be elected signitaries. So you know stocks are really people are starting to understand that those are musthaves.
They're not nice to haves. If you want to have any hope of investing, if you want to have any hope of having even a bank account, those are the minimums.
Those are the necessary components that you must have. So the growing awareness of that I think is making a huge difference.
>> All right, Erica Levenberg, let's leave it there. Thank you so much for your time. She's the head of communications for just money. I think something else that I've seen when it comes to stock files is that it's become a thing for even younger people. Now you know there was a time where the stockfell was only uh for the older you know it was actually older women at least where I was from. I know that men also take part in stockfells but now I'm seeing you know young people also uh joining and and and I think for me and many other people it's really about the discipline right and the idea that I put this money there and I know for sure that at the end of three six or a year 3 months 6 months or a year I'm going to get my money back so yeah thank you to Erica for that conversation more after this >> in the last 24 hours this is what's happened in your world. Former deputy prosecution boss Anton Dublyi says the onslaught faced by IDC is part of the teething problems a new institution will inevitably go through. He says the recent appointments of an IDC oversight judge is one such mechanism that will help strengthen the anti-corruption busting agency. Barely two years into its establishment and its head Andrea Johnson is being accused of misconduct and facing the Mlanga Commission of Inquiry to answer to these allegations.
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Welcome back. It's 8 minutes past 2 right here on 702 afternoons. My name is Katis. I'm in for this afternoon. Thank you so much for tuning in. I see many of your WhatsApp still coming in. Many of you still reeling from the conversation that we had uh a little earlier on the show about the subjects in school and you are still reeling from your experiences with those subjects. I still see some of your WhatsApps and your messages coming through about your your difficult time with maths and physics and man I wish you all the best my friends. I hope your children don't go through the same okay be the support that you needed with those subjects. All right. Uh we just had a conversation now about stockfells and if you missed it please pop on to uh the prime media plus app as well as our YouTube. You should be able to find it there. It will be uploaded in a bit. It was a really lovely conversation about the stockpile culture in South Africa. I will always encourage people to enter Stockfells, but as you know, it's not always the way to go. And Erica Leebenber, a professional in that space, broke it down really well for us. I'm really looking forward to the next hour of the show because we're speaking about becoming a pilot in South Africa. And I mean, being a pilot is such a fancy career, right? I I think about pilots and I I can just see them walking through the airport with the white shirt, the crisp white shirt and I don't know about you, but hey, so we're going to be having a conversation about people in that with people in that space. Um, we've got Bali M, who's a senior uh first officer at South African Airways. She is an established pilot and she's going to be sharing with us about what's been happening in the space and how to become a pilot. But we've also got Unukai who is a Janisburg based content creator and a student pilot. She's with me in studio this afternoon going to be talking to us about her experience. If you wanted to be a pilot and things didn't go your way, I want to hear from you. 0183072.
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It's the masterclass right here on 702 afternoons. Now, I don't know about you, but where I'm from, uh the idea of becoming a pilot has always been associated with people that have access uh to such often times we don't even know where to look, where to go to become a pilot. Are there schools? Do they go to university? How soon can I start? What does the training look like?
How expensive is it? Because it definitely sounds expensive. And that's why I'm looking forward to the conversation that we're having this afternoon on the master class. It's about becoming a pilot in South Africa.
And as I mentioned, my guests are Bali Mul, who's a senior first officer at South African Airways, a pilot instructor, and we also have Unbo is in studio. Good afternoon.
>> Hi, how are you?
>> I'm very well. Thank you so much for coming through.
>> Thank you for having me. I'm excited.
I'm more excited because I want to learn about this and I'm sure many of our listeners are also looking forward to the conversation. Bali is also joining us uh on Zoom. Bali, good afternoon.
Thank you so much for joining us.
>> Good afternoon and team. How are you doing?
>> We're very very well. Thank you so much for your time.
>> I want to start with you.
>> Thank you for having me.
>> Yes. I I was so interested. It was interesting for me to find out that South Africa is a popular destination for pilot training. So there are people um around the world that want to come to South Africa or choose South Africa to train in the space and I think that's just incredible isn't it?
>> Yes it is. It is it is one of the number one locations um primarily for our prime weather. you get exposed to all kinds of uh weather that it will assist you with your training and really just preparing you to become the best pilot. Um and also the level of training that we offer in this nation is worldrenowned. If you speak to other airlines such as Emirates, um when they're recruiting South African pilots, they will always speak about the rapport and the just the standard of pilots that we end up delivering worldwide. I was about to ask that what is it you know about um our curriculum that uh that that we offer uh that makes us such a prime destination I mean as you mentioned the weather of course clear skies most times during the year is great right >> yes no 100% um but I think more than anything besides the the clear weather we also get exposed to you know like let's as an example Cape Town Eastern Cape becomes very very windy and that really prepares you in the long run. So just overall confidence building um from the student pilot to becoming a commercial pilot. Um and the curriculum is pretty much standardized worldwide.
However, the standard of which somebody receiving a license when they leave, you know that they are well prepared to enter into the aviation world um no matter where they end up going. So that's something that we can really be rest assured about is that our standards are are very very high. We're going to come to that uh just going into the curriculum and and what it looks like and what what what uh you know uh uh people that are aspiring to become pilots would have to familiarize themselves with. But I want to ask you in Gable because you're quite young and you decided to be a pilot when were you those kids that was like what do you want to be and you were like a pilot and you actually followed it through or was it a thing now in your uh latter years?
>> So I'm going to be completely honest, right? My very first career choice was actually to be a soldier.
>> Oh wow.
>> Yeah. I think it changed when I was seven. I started seeing airplanes more and I was intrigued by, you know, how these big things on the ground look so tiny in the air. How do they get there?
What's the process and everything like that? And another reason I actually got into aviation is because my mom was a flight attendant. So I kind of did grow up you know around the aviation industry and that was a very big inspiration. Um so yeah from being a soldier after that I wanted to fly for the South African National Defense Force and then I realized that route might not work out and then I just went the private route.
Yeah. You know, you speak about something really important about how your mom was a flight attendant, so you got to know about being a pilot and and I want to ask you, I mean, that for me speaks to the fact that she had access and the knowledge that this is even an option for her, which I think is a is a challenge for many young people who don't even know that they can enter the space.
>> 100%. I definitely agree with that. Um, so for example, on my side, I'm a first generation uh pilot. there's nobody in my entire family that's ever been in the aviation space. Um so that representation of people being visible um where they don't have that access and conversations like we're having right now where parents who are listening uh students who are listening are aware that the possibilities are there. Um it doesn't have to be just for private pilot or commercial pilot. Even if you don't want to be an airline pilot, there are so many uh available opportunities on your horizon that can open doors to you in order for you to end up flying.
So whether you want to be in the military >> um or whether you would fly privately, it's it it is available, but we have to have the visibility at the end of the day.
>> Yeah. You became an an aviation professional in 2013, Bali. How accessible was this uh then compared to now?
I would say it's it is pretty similar.
Um so the in my trajectory I entered aviation from immediately after high school and it was really just based on being able to have access with asking people questions to say look I need information and it really really wasn't readily available um back then in 2013 whereas now you'll see social media posts promoting flight training organizations um pilot universities of a sense so the access to information is is definitely more uh available, but it's yeah, there is still quite a it's still not where it needs to be essentially. Um we we need more visibility. We need to be communicating having out outreach programs etc. Um so that people know that the opportunity and the career is available.
>> Yeah. And I see you're nodding. You agree with that?
>> I do 100%. Um I currently actually just to make sure the career is being exposed to a lot of people I do outreach programs in schools in Timbisa where I speak about the aviation career where I speak about what subjects they need to do to ideally succeed in the career and things like that. So yeah we 100% do need more people on the ground speaking on aviation especially for people who look like myself as well as Umbali um just to get it out there. you know, there's you're not not out there.
>> Yeah.
>> And of course, you speak about how you found out about being a pilot through your mom, but what were the steps and what did the steps look like for you uh towards, you know, actually getting into training? Did you find there were still barriers? Was it still difficult or was it, you know, seamless for you because of your proximity through your mom?
>> I think the the biggest barrier in terms of aviation training is definitely the cost. I finished high school in 2015 and then in 2016 I started my aviation career but I actually had to stop because it got way too expensive. Then I did other things. I did my under undergrad in communications psychology.
I did I started a business. So I did a lot of things in between 2016 and 2024 which is when I started again and even then it got more expensive of course over time petrol changes and things like that. Um but the biggest challenge 100% is the cost implications. When you get into flight schools, they don't necessarily check your results. They just need you just need to make sure you have your maths, your physics, your geography just so that it helps in like going forward. But eventually they do check your metriculate results and things like that.
>> We're speaking about becoming a pilot and I can tell you that there's lots of questions coming through on the WhatsApp line. Someone wants to know if the world is flat or round when you are up there.
And I know many more questions are going to come through on the WhatsApp line. My guest this afternoon who's a senior first officer at South African Airways.
She's also a pilot instructor. And we've got Luka who's a student pilot. She joins us in studio taking more of your calls and WhatsApps after this.
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>> It's the 702 master class and we're having a conversation about about becoming a pilot in South Africa. My guests this afternoon are Bali Mu who's a pilot instructor. She's also a senior first officer with SAA. And we've got Unbo Lai, a Johannesburg based content creator and student pilot. Someone in the WhatsApps says I man a pilot is just a bus driver in the sky. [laughter] [gasps] >> Yeah, but do you agree? Is that how it feels that you're driving a bus in the sky?
>> Do you know eventually once you get into the air it does feel like okay what is there to do besides monitoring and things like that? But takeoff and landing I am sweating the most.
>> I was about to say that. Is it is it in the landing? Is is is that the Oh, and takeoff, of course.
>> Yeah, for me the most difficult part definitely is the landing. Um there's just a lot going on. You're speaking to tower. You're trying to align your aircraft with the runway. Um I don't know. Mali might have a different experience all together, but landing is my biggest nightmare.
>> Yeah, Val, I'm interested to hear from you as well.
>> I think that's very funny. Um but we as a joke, we do tend to call ourselves glorified bus drivers.
>> Yeah. Um but it's yeah besides [laughter] besides just getting up in the air it is quite a a tasking uh job um there's a lot that transpires before we even get into the aircraft and when we're in the aircraft again there's there's more demanding aspects talking to ATC looking at the weather it's such a dynamic environment and because of this um your mental load becomes so high and by the end of a flight you've touched down and you're exhausted Um so yes we could say that we are a bit of glorified bus drivers um but uh yeah the little bit complex aspects of it as well.
>> Yeah Moses in the WhatsApp is asking if uh pilots or pilot licenses differ like car drivers as in code 8 and code 10.
>> Yes 100%. So we have uh various levels of pilot licenses starting with a student pilot license. Basically from the age of 15 you're ellegible to apply for your student pilot license and that's the foundation that you require in order for you to move up the various tiers. So after your student pilot license you have a private pilot license uh which essentially means that you can only fly privately without rum rumination. Um you can't get paid for it. You can only fly for fun. and then moving on to a commercial pilot's license where you can now start your transition to working for someone flying um in an airline environment. However, you are restricted uh from becoming a captain. And then lastly, we have the highest level which is an airline transport pilot's license which is essentially the same as a commercial pilot's license. However, enabling you the privilege of also becoming a captain and various exams that you need to complete along the lines. And if there's a young person listening out there saying, "I definitely want to do this, but where do I start? Where do I look?
Where do I go?" What would you say in Bali?
>> Look, I definitely say start with social media. Um I think as as young people, that's probably the the most tangible aspect. So start on social media. Look online. Um the search function on Tik Tok and Instagram works very very well.
Um and you'll find that there's quite a lot of information. However, I will obviously say that be responsible. Um, if you do find a flight school that you see on social media, go on to the South African Civil Aviation's website and you'll be able to actually verify the certification of um, of that particular school. Um, also look at outreach um, organizations such as YMZI, Fly Like a Girl, essay um, and also the corporate um, airline websites and they'll be able to give you a little bit more information too.
>> All right. I do see many of your WhatsApps and your voice notes coming in. I want to get them to Bali because I know you're asking about qualifying and how to go about um finding a flight school. But let's take a call from Shotti. Is it Shahi K? You're in Midran.
Good afternoon. Thank you for your call.
Go ahead.
>> Good afternoon. Um thank you so much for taking my call. just inspired really by the the two ladies that are are really trailblazers um in a day and age where becoming a pilot is is still quite very hard. I was very sad um and I just want to pick their thoughts because I was very sad um to read an article and I I wanted to ask you know how how have they seen the progression of black children as a whole but black students particularly girls being received into um the public uh aviation training space. I was very sad to see um an article um that spoke about an aviation training school um that's called fly fufua in um wunder boom that was given almost 148 million rand to empower young black people to become pilots and um they are now standing at a tribunal um the NFS approved this funding um to empower young black people and and a lot of that funding never went through to to the fulfillment of actually seeing tangible trained pilots. And I just want to know um maybe two questions. How do they feel about such such such loss? How is the space changing in in the aviation space for black um for black children as a whole? Yeah, >> thank you so much for your call, Shi. Um we will get that through to Umbali and Gabbo. Maybe you should start. I mean, it's always heartbreaking when what's meant to be empowering young people and providing opportunities is being, you know, abused in this way.
>> 100%. And Shi, thank you so much for that question. Um, it it is disappointing. Um, especially given the fact of how difficult it is to break barriers and just have that barrier of entry, specifically the financial aspect. Um so I I do believe that we obviously all have a responsibility to try and open those opportunities especially corporate essay um and the government to enable people to be able to access aviation. Um but yeah in that case we'll we'll see how that particular case goes. But secondly in terms of progression it's it has improved from when I started in 2013. I will say that that there was an improvement. However, it's definitely not as fast as it should be. Um, but again, the reason that ties to is essentially those barriers of entry. The financial aspect, it's it's is enormous. Just for as an example, getting a private pilot license can range from about 150,000 rand to 250,000 rand. And you still can't earn money off of that license. So that is a that's money that many many families in this nation unfortunately do not have access to. Um and it's it's it's a sad reality.
So we we need that support that funding from corporate essay from organizations NOS's um and the government at the end of the day.
>> All right. I want to take a few of your voice notes from Bali to answer before we let her go.
>> Ladies um thank you so much for this program. My son is in Madri. I wanted to know what subjects you would need to have. um uh to do a pilot's course where it can be studied um and are there any um health uh requirements that you need to have like a certain height or is that a thing? Um and are there any burseries available for the course? Uh thank you.
Bye.
>> All right. Um Bali, maybe you can answer that for us please. I mean she's interested also in I think the subjects you answered that a little earlier um which is math and science but also burseries that she's asking about >> 100%. So math and science as a basis I would definitely recommend it. Um it obviously does teach you critical um thinking and decision making which is vital as part of this career. Um in terms of medical requirements there are various medical requirements. Every single year as pilots we have to go through a yearly medical to ensure that we obviously safe to fly and continue operating. Height restrictions not necessarily. Um however in terms of vision ensuring that you do not have color blindness that is an a barrier in that sense um and obviously your weight um a healthy BMI um blood pressure eyesight hearing etc. And then for flight schools, there are a number of flight schools in the nation. I think if I recall correctly, there's about 200 flying schools in this country. So you'll be able to find a number of them in Keng at various airports such as Grand Central um vulnerab etc. and also in the Eastern Cape such as 43A school in Port Alfred uh Madiva Bay Flying School uh which is in Kabka. But there are various options available to you.
All right, it is uh 2:30 and we do have to let go of Umba Alimalaku, a senior first officer at South African Airways and a pilot instructor. Thank you so much for your time and thank you for sharing your insights. We continue with this conversation after the news headlines and when we come back we are still with Unkay in studio and we're going to be taking more of your questions and she's going to be giving us a sense of just how much uh you have to have in the bank to pursue this career.
This is a minute after 2:30. Mahali Zamini is standing by. Good afternoon.
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>> It's the 702 master class right here on 702 afternoons. And we're speaking about becoming a pilot. And my guest this afternoon in studio is Unkai. She's a a Janisburg based content creator and a student pilot. Yeah. But you make uh content about your flying as well or aviation work. I do.
>> What has the response been like on on online?
>> It's been absolutely amazing especially amongst my aviation peers but even people who aren't necessarily interested in aviation. I post content. My most popular video was we went to so I have a friend in aviation in Fundor. We went to Cape Town and on our way to Cape Town because I fly such a small airplane, you have to stop four times to refuel and things like that. So that really intrigued people and the cost as well intrigued people. It was like it was on his school fees um account so it wasn't mine. It costed him like 58,000 rand just to go to Cape Town and back.
>> Oh my goodness.
>> Yeah. And there were three of us on the aircraft. Um but it was such a fun experience. I on that same video I just speak about the cost. what it takes to go on that um that trip. The planning took us a good four weeks.
>> Yeah. So, you have to plan routes, fuel stops and things like that. But it's absolutely amazing to get to do it as >> at my level. Fuel stops.
>> Yeah. So, my aircraft is called a Cessna >> um for short. We call it a C172.
And because the engine is so small, its endurance is small as is, yeah, smaller as well. So, it endurance is about maximum 4 hours give or take. Um but you have to stop stop when you can. So we stopped we started in Johannesburg at Grand Central Airport >> and then we went to Brahm Fisher in Blimp to refuel and then after Braum Fisher we had to stop in Bureau West which is in the Northern Cape >> and then from the Northern Cape we went to Stellenbos and that was our final stop. We didn't go to Cape Town International.
>> So you can't just drive straight there with that with that uh craft.
>> No.
>> Sure. Okay.
>> You will fall out there. Can I tell you, I almost had a blonde moment there. I was like, "Stop for fuel. Surely it's not in the air, [laughter] right? Surely we're not stopping in the air for this reunion."
>> I wish we could. I really wish we could.
I just wonder how that would work.
>> Someone's uh you know raising a really important point here. It's Andrew on the WhatsApp line asking about AI and how there are conversations in the space about how AI could affect that um or you know affect the work of pilots or aspiring pilots like yourself. Are these conversations that are happening around you as you are studying to become a pilot?
>> There aren't conversations that are currently happening amongst us as pilots. Um, I do see how AI could take over, but not necessarily in the air. I think we still need actual human beings flying aircrafts. Um, I I don't see an aircraft being flown across, let's say, from here to Dubai, for example, purely through AI with no human intervention. I think it's impossible. There's a lot we're doing in the air. There's a lot of people ecommunicating with. There are maybe on the ground systems in place, you know, to let's say plan for flights called flight planning.
>> Yeah.
>> With routes and everything like that, maybe they can incorporate AI, but the actual flying as pilots, I don't think so. I don't think AI is going to take my job.
>> Yeah. And you've spoken about the cost of that single trip. But I I really want you, if you can, to share the costs of, you know, the actual course. I mean, earlier on you said you had to pause your studies at some point, uh, because it just got so expensive. How much are we looking at here?
>> So, I'd like to break it down into the different licenses. Your first license really is you obtain it after getting your medical done. Your medical is give or take 3,000 rands and then you can hand it into your flight school and they take it to the CIA I think with your ID and then you can get a student pilot license. So that basically allows you to write your CA exams to get onto the apron and then fly with an instructor.
So that's 3,000 rand but to do that to carry on and get your private pilot license which is the one Bali spoke about where you can't get remunation um it's about right now I know in Bali you mentioned 150,000 rand that's what the schools tell us but over time it literally changes um I would say budgets a good 280,000 rand because sometimes your flight training does take longer than what it's meant to take due to weather or maybe you're not good at a certain maneuver in the air. So, they'd like to just extend that and that costs you more. Like a flight is a good I think right now it's sitting on 3,700 per hour if I'm not mistaken.
>> That's how much you have to pay each time you train.
>> Yeah.
>> But flights training is different. So, sometimes it could take 45 minutes if you're doing something called circuits which is like flying your landing and your landing patterns. It's just flying around the airport basically. Um, and then after your private pilot license is your commercial pilot license. That one I think another I would say another 350,000 rand.
>> So this is on top of the 280.
>> Yeah, it it got really expensive. I'm not sure how much an ATPL is, which is your airline transport pilot license.
It's the fourth one she spoke about. Um, >> but give or take everything. I'd say budget 700,000 rand >> and and some change maybe just to make it through. But in between those licenses, there's also something called ratings. So there's your night rating which essentially allows you to fly at night. There's your um instrument rating which allows you to fly using the instrument packs in the aircraft. Um instructor's ratings. There's a lot of ratings going on in between your licenses. So, but that is accommodated within the costs I mentioned.
>> And this is over how long? How many years?
>> So, a lot of people I always when people ask me what year are you in, I'm just like, uh, it's difficult to say. Uh, cuz with pilots, we go by hours. So, for example, to get your PPL, it's a minimum, I'm not sure about the minimum actually, but I think it's give or take 60 hours, which is your first license, and then you work towards your commercial after that. Uh but ideally if you have everything is perfect, all your finances, weather's perfect, it should take you literally a year and a half to do all three licenses idea. That's the perfect situation.
Extremely rare >> which never happens.
>> Yeah. [laughter] [gasps] >> All right. We're speaking to Lay who is a student pilot. I think we can agree that you know that that's expensive. I mean the ordinary South African can't can't really afford that. Um, do we have burseries that are readily available? I mean, I know Umbali did speak a bit about them, but um, are they readily available for people um, or are they few and far between?
They're they are accessible. I just, um, like for instance, I've been trying to get beries since I was in grade 11, but I haven't won. There are um, institutions in place that do offer burseries. For example, there's our TA.
They're really good. They fund I think you need to have a PPL with them now, but back when I was in high school, they used to fund everything. But I think they just want to see people's commitments before they pay for the whole thing. You know what I'm saying?
>> So, I think TA does that. The CAA, which is our civil aviation authority, >> they do have a bery, they fund, I think it's from 18 to 35 if I'm not mistaken, actually for both institutions. Um but there's other routes you can go through like um the S and DF they offer a lot of burseries as well. They train people pardon me not a bery um those are the three that I can speak of from top of my head. I know someone who emailed like a whole lot of corporate companies to say hey I want to do my my private pilot license. Can you find me for this bit of my you know my training and that also worked for them. So people can literally fund certain portions of your training, but there are burseries out there. Um, you just need to do the research, but it is tough to get on.
>> Yeah, [laughter] it sounds tough. We're speaking about becoming a pilot in South Africa. I do see more of your questions coming in. We'll take more of your voice notes and calls after this.
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>> It's the 702 masterass. My name is I'm in for this afternoon 10 minutes before a three and we're speaking about becoming a pilot in South Africa you know I mean listening to my guest who's a student pilot that sounds to me like it's a million rand I mean you said 700 and what that's really it's a million >> yeah it can't get there I won't lie to you it can get to a million um there's a school I applied for in where's Emirates Dubai I think yeah I think the school's based in Dubai this was back in 2017. I got accepted, but I do not have 4 million rands cuz obviously they quoted you in dollars and it's Emirates. It's one of the best I'd like to think in the world.
>> Um, so it really I can't imagine what it is now there, but here I think when Bali was training it was probably a good 400k minimum, but now it really it really has increased >> and that's also because of the price of of fuel.
>> Yeah, fuel's fluctuating. A lot of economic factors contributes to the fuel fluctuations and it's everything that happens internationally obviously affect us affects our industry as aviators.
>> Sure.
>> Yeah.
>> All right. Let's take some of your voice notes.
>> Hello 702. Uh just a question for your guests. Just like to know is there a big difference between being a pilot for a helicopter versus being a pilot for airplanes? Uh, do you have to start first with airplanes to move on to helicopters or can you start straight into helicopters? Uh, thanks uh, Nick from Petitford.
>> Thanks for that question, Nick. So, how does it work?
>> Um, hi Nick. So, those are two separate licenses, your helicopter as well as your um, airplane licenses. The helicopter license is definitely cheaper than an aeroplane license. And if I'm not mistaken, they have different questions in the exams as well as subjects um altogether. And just the mechanics of an airplane and a helicopter are different as well. Um a helicopter and an airplane land differently. So it's two separate courses. I would like to say it's like a motor a bus and a car basically.
>> Yeah.
>> And would more people pursue the helicopter route maybe in the army?
>> Yes. Um I think for the army that would be feasible. Uh there's also a lot of careers I won't lie in the helicopter industry. Uh you could do private tours, you could be a private uh pilot for the president and things like that. Uh but in the army definitely and then with your aeroplane you can obviously get into the airline or charter and things like that.
And someone on the WhatsApp line FRS says someone that applied to the Air Force color blindness robbed me of a career. I can imagine so many people only figure out or learn that they're color blind when they are testing or taking that test.
>> Yes, it's quite an um our medicals are actually extremely intense. Um for example, I actually wear glasses. I'm currently wearing contact lenses, but that's fine. I'm not color blind. I can actually [snorts] see I can tell the difference between color. But in our medical exams, you can tell the difference. Um they they can see the different colors. They can see when you're failing through how you answer.
It's not similar to when they do it in the driver's test, but there is, you know, the light things by the corner of the eyes. We do that as well.
>> Um, it's a whole like it's a good 2hour medical examination type of thing.
>> And why why does color blindness matter that much?
>> Um, I'm not too sure to be honest, but I'd like to assume for instance, our instruments have various colors that tell different things.
>> So, for example, our there's something that tells us about speed. You need to know what red means. You need to know what yellow means, what green zone means, what the white zone means. Um, there's a lot of elements that matter in terms of color when you're flying an aeroplane, but also just to see what's going on outside. Sometimes your eyes tell you what's happening before the actual aircraft.
>> Yeah.
>> And I've always wondered why careers in aviation as well as a flight attendant is so focused on weight. I mean, you're slightly overweight and you can't pursue the career. Why is that the case? So our the small aircrafts have a maximum weight. In fact, the large aircrafts as well. That's why with luggage, they're very strict or you pay extra and things like that, but they can accommodate that. But with our aircrafts, you absolutely can't. Um we've got maximum weight limits. So if you're in there, the fuel is there as well. The aircraft on its own has its own weight. So it's there really is a weight. Even when I feel like I'm getting weight, I'm like, you need to think about your career, girl. M >> and then you need to just drop a bit.
>> Sure. It's all the motivation you need.
>> Let's take more of your voice notes.
>> Moto, on this uh topic about becoming a pilot, can you please ask your guests how much does coordination um play into being able to control the flight going up and coming down and in the air? Because I'm thinking um with the sensitivity of controls, would somebody who is very good on games, whether it's PlayStation games or whatever the case, would they be an ideal candidate? because there's a lot of coordination that's involved in playing some of these games. I'm just wondering I'm just wondering. Thanks.
>> Yeah, that's actually a brilliant question. Hey, >> yeah, coordination is extremely important and I like that the person asked about um she asked about gaming as well as controlling. You need to there's so much multitasking happening especially in the landing and the takeoff that you your brain needs to be so locked into that specific moment because there's a lot of elements happening. You're controlling the flight. You're speaking to the tower.
You're doing your checklist to make sure everything is in place. You need to make sure if you have passengers that they've been briefed about safety. Um there's just a lot of elements and I think with gaming um it plays I think if the person wants to be a pilot they should definitely play more pilot games to see how the different coordination works cuz you're speaking you're controlling and you're doing checklists at the same time. There's a lot of multitasking happening when you're flying. Um, I say that in that moment of landing and takeoff, you somewhat have a very high functional brain in that moment, but everywhere else you calm. And I think pilots I've met in general were naturally calm. Um, like we could be in one of these scariest situations, but I literally remain calm. I don't think >> I ooze natural ash. Pilots ooze natural ash. So, it's I think being calm is a very important. If you panic, it won't work.
>> Yeah.
>> Aviation will not work. A lot of things are changing in the air on the ground.
It just won't work for someone that's not calm.
>> Yeah.
>> All right. Let's take some of your voice notes.
>> You think it's quite disrespectful for people to say that pilots are bus drivers in the sky. Excuse me. They have your life in their hands. and um you know they go through a very rigorous process to qualify as pilots. It's very disrespectful. I have the utmost respect for pilots. So when I see especially black female pilots, I just um my heart uh leaps in joy. Thanks for a great show. Take care. Bye.
>> Do you feel disrespected when people say that?
>> I would lie. I don't um cuz it genuinely is a joke. And I think if you know what it takes to be a pilot, you're sure. You know, if you know what a bus driver knows what it takes to be a bus driver.
We don't know what challenges they experiencing. We also have our own challenges. Um also, it's a joke within our community. We call ourselves glorified bus drivers. I think Bali mentioned it. Um so, yeah, don't take offense to it.
>> Yeah. And also the bus driver also has people's lives in their heads, right?
>> Yes. And multiple like an airplane is essentially a bus. Some of them are standing even in the bus.
>> There's a bus. There's a plane called an air bus. So, it's literally Yeah, I don't think I don't find it offensive.
[gasps] >> All right, Mavo, as we wrap up, I want to hear more about the work in Tambisa uh that you do. And how can people get in touch um with you and any of the organizations that you are linked uh to?
>> So, the organization that I am part of is called United Way South Africa. Um we go to different schools in the township.
It's usually grades nine, eights and nines if I'm not mistaken, because they're preparing to get into grade 10, which is where they choose their subjects. Um, so I just go there to tell them what subjects they need, what they need to do, and what the overall experience is as a pilot. Um, and to get in touch with me, I think, can I share my Instagram handle, >> please? Your socials.
>> Sure. On Instagram, Tik Tok, Facebook, everywhere I am.
It's n dy e b o l u r a y i.
>> All right. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for your time.
>> You're welcome.
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