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How Many Bitcoin Will Your Grandchildren Need?
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>> The what?
>> Uh, hello.
Welcome.
>> And sorry, I didn't have these buggers here. Uh, trying to trying to mess me up in the chat today. I only got one bugger.
>> I didn't get a chance.
>> We got Reat.
Uh, we are I guess it's Friday. I should say that. It's Friday. This this show today is titled How many bitcoins will your grandchildren need? Do you say Bitcoin or bitcoins?
>> Um, >> plural.
>> I like Bitcoin. I don't like bitcoins.
Bitcoins sounds like like how many golds do you need?
>> That's fair.
True. It's a good point. I guess we talk in Satoshi's, too. Sats. That's That's one you can >> I like sats. I like sats. I like sats a lot.
>> How many Bitcoin will your grandchildren need? So, yes, we are Maple Bitcoin. I'm Jorah. This is my good buddy Rajat. It is just the two of us today. We got no forest. He's lost in the forest somewhere maybe. Uh could be, but who knows? Anyways, it is Friday. It's a pleasure to be with you all today. We're gonna have a good show.
We're talking about uh the future. But before that, as we kind of alluded to right off the hop, uh there is a lot of stuff going on in Bitcoin right now. BIP 110 is causing a lot of animosity amongst Bitcoiners. And I was actually just listening to Bitcoin today, which is a Twitter spaces that they do every Friday, I believe, at this time. And uh it was actually really really good conversation. Bitcoin Mechanics kind of on there defending Bit 110 and then you have a couple other people who are arguing that saying it's not a solution.
But I would actually recommend people listen to that one today. I'm pretty sure you can find it on Twitter. If you are on X, you can go back and relisten to the stream today. And there was a certain part there was about 5 or 10 minutes long that I found very interesting about the opera return about core 30 about how it all went down the purpose of it and I think there's some information within that that a lot of people just are completely unaware of and that's the cool thing about Bitcoin that's what I wanted to talk about more so uh with you is like I just find it very interesting that that's kind of how things are being settled and debated.
It's it's just really cool to me. I I know that there's, like I said, it's been very heated. There's been some uh slurs, a lot of it's very emotional right now, it seems, but uh I just like the fact that, you know, you have you can have 600 people, which will grow over time as this becomes more and more of a a thing in society, but you can just sit there and you can listen to it.
You can jump on stage if you want to, like there's a platform for it. If you compare that to like how our monetary policy is in the fiat system where there's like a group of 10 or 20 people sitting in a room and we have no idea what they're discussing and no idea what they're talking about and the points being raised, we we don't get to see any of it and it has such a a big impact on our lives personally and we have no say in it. So, I just like that whatever side you're on, I just really like how it is and I know there's room for improvements. I'm sure it'll come as it's needed, but I just really like the transparency of the whole thing.
>> Completely agree. I I feel like in the old system, it's not even close to this.
In the old system, you'd be uh well, in the current system, you'd probably you'd probably never know what's going on. I mean, we don't know what's going on.
>> We have no idea conference, >> right? And at the same time, there's people who do know everything and then they're trading on the insider information, which is really crazy.
and the situation the the biggest problem here is that it's not I mean the that's the transparency but then you can also think about the fairness right so all these people who have the insider information they can buy calls and puts on whatever trade what whatever stock is getting hit by some kind of regulation or whatever stock is going to get some kind of uh like a a a grant or something I don't know like whatever whatever they call it >> subsidies subsidy. Yeah, whatever company is going to get that money, they just buy calls on that company and it skyrockets and they made their salary for the year and then they can keep doing that every single week over and over again. That's why they like being I was I was actually speaking with my wife about this and she was saying how uh the landlord tenant board is really I feel like they don't they don't care enough about if a tenant is suffering and I was telling her it's probably because they own they own real estate.
They're landlords, right? They they set the rules for themselves exactly like Congress in the US. They set the rules for themselves.
So why would they well they change it exactly what we were talking about before. They set the rules. They know whether or not interest rates are going to go up so they can take action on the market beforehand and they make money. Why would they want to change that?
>> Yeah. No incentive to profitable.
>> It's too profitable.
And unfortunately there's not enough good folks within those uh walls in Congress to make any sort of difference.
So the good news for us is that we have Bitcoin. we now have this network um you know that doesn't allow for mail and ballots. I I think the it's going to be interesting because we have this activation date coming in the next difficulty adjustment. So I believe it's like about a week left in this difficulty adjustment and then we have another two weeks approximately and then within that next one that's when the mandatory activation is going to be for this new uh software. So, I think it's just going to be really interesting to watch play out. Uh, because there are many different incentives and we're going to kind of see who has the power here, I guess, and what they want to do with that right now. And the interesting thing about Bitcoin is like if you compare it to our our fiat system, like the the old world where you have a couple different people running for president or prime minister uh prime minister in politics, it kind of resets every time. So, it's like if and it just kind of seems like it goes back and forth like that whether it's Republican, Democrat, conservative, liberal. Of course, unless in Canada, then you just have uh forever liberal party here. Uh as long as we're a country, it looks like. But for the most part, historically, it's been kind of back and forth. But with Bitcoin, you almost have to come up with a very good idea or very good solution that's very necessary to bump off that original chain, the longest chain right now. And I think that there will come a time where that could happen and we'll see, you know, a different side of it, different perspective. But I just really like that is like as long as things are working, why would you make any sort of changes to it? And and I think that even our political structure as it is today, you give a guy four years in office, you can't do anything in four years, anything meaningful anyways. Like it takes so long to make any sort of adjustments or changes in that system that like four years comes and goes and then we hit the reset button and do it all over again and and there's just more and more fighting and and cheap shots and it's just like never ending. Our whole lives is just like what's next?
Who's running for president next? What are they going to fight about then?
What's going to be the newest thing?
Whereas Bitcoin, it's like if something's working, it's going to keep going and it's going to be very difficult for any sort of change, regardless of how how many tweets there are about it or who's signaling toward it. You have to have economic skin in the game in order to influence any change. And so I think kind of where we are in Bitcoin right now, there's a lot of people who are watching this here today who are actually going to have a surprising amount of economic influence and be able to exercise that in the future. I don't know if this is the time to do it or how how involved people are right now, but it it's all based on economic power. It's no longer mail and ballots or fake nodes or, you know, these these boxes of printed ballots coming in at 3:00 a.m. It's just like you either have it or you don't. You can't fake it. And that's a cool thing to about Bitcoin to me anyways.
>> Yeah, agreed. I think it's I think it's important that people have their say >> and that everybody can can see it can can actually get >> um they can give their thoughts on it and there are always I feel like there's that's one of the things that um that's what creates the best technology. It's people saying what they want and then the developers applying those thoughts.
>> Yep.
And if people want it, then they can vote for it with nodes, right? Like it just seems to me, I'll be honest with you, I haven't I haven't been in favor of voting lately. I just feel like it doesn't really matter. And I'm I'm kind of moving past that system of how it is right now. It just doesn't align with me at all. But I just feel like the reason for that is because I don't I don't feel like it matters. I don't feel like my vote matters at all. And so that that's the difference here, I guess.
If you do vote in an election and they have all these ballots coming in at 3 in the morning, what's the what's the point of your vote? If they can just decide the winners and losers, then what why do I care? Whereas Bitcoin, they can't do that. There there's no such thing as a mail in ballot in Bitcoin. It's either you have it or you don't. And I think that that's what um Oh, what's going on here? We got stuff. Oh, sorry, Rat.
>> It's okay.
>> Uh this guy was on my chat this morning, too.
Um, anyways, thanks for pointing that out. No worries.
>> So, yeah, kind kind of interesting, but uh anyways, that's not really what we're talking about today. I just figured that was an interesting place to start. And uh the one thing I would say is like again if you have some Bitcoin in 2026 part of your role into the future will be running a node and and exercising your vote essentially running a node deciding on the the policy the consensus and if you have Bitcoin then you have a say that cannot be manipulated or changed which I think people I think most people would actually agree with this Rad is like people say that you want to be able to send a transaction without it being changed or censored or stopped. But don't you think it's also important to have that sort of infrastructure built around like the voting process? Like to to be able to say that, hey, this is my vote and nobody can change it, nobody can manipulate it, nobody can do anything with it. It is just >> are you talking about real life elections like real real world elections like like if there's a president president like being elected or >> so this is kind of my my thoughts right now is like I look at the Bitcoin thing that's happening right now with BIP 110 and and core and you know it's not BIP 110 versus core but the soft fork I look at those as as very similar to like the existing system of political structures like Republican Democrats same kind of thing they're putting out their policy their rules and then people get to vote which one they want to go with. Either they want BIP 110 or they want it how it is today. And I I feel like you can fake that in the real world voting in in the old system voting. You can again mail and ballots, fake IDs, all this stuff.
We've seen it happen. Um but you can't do that in Bitcoin. I just think that if you want a money that's uncensored, uh cannot be stopped, censorship resistant, you should also have votes. And that's really what the Bitcoin infrastructure is. That's what the the network is. is you can't you can't fake anything in there. Either BIP 110 wins or it doesn't and you know pretty quickly and and there's no extra votes coming in or extra hash rate coming in after hours.
It's just like very clear, very transparent what's going to happen here and it cannot be faked or manipulated. I think that people really discount that about um Bitcoin itself and and how it's governed I guess and and the future of it.
>> Yeah. So anyways, we were talking about um Peter Schiff the other day. Bratad and I did a a fake interview. I don't know how if uh people had the chance to watch that or not yet on the Maple channel, but that was the one thing we talked about after. What's that?
>> I saw it. There were some good comments.
>> There was. Yeah. And that was kind of the idea of it, right? It wasn't like obviously it was for entertainment purposes, but it wasn't only entertainment purposes. Uh Peter Schiff is a pretty big name in the world. a lot of people know him and recognize him and Rejad has the opportunity to debate with him in a couple weeks and so after the the conversation that Ratad and I had we kind of were chatting for a while and we were talking about you know because one of one of Peter's main arguments around Bitcoin is like what gives it value he just he harps on that and so we were talking about some of the things that actually give Bitcoin value and uh one of those things was you know the ability to travel anywhere you want with it like how could you put a price on that? How do you value wealth that you can take anywhere on the planet? You can hop on an airplane with it, in a book or in your head, land, and have all the wealth, everything that you've ever earned in your life, all your time and energy stored in your private key, you can carry that wherever you want to go.
Like that's valuable. And that was kind of the thing that we talked about is like as long as people value that, which I believe people will always value the fact that you can do that. that it's different that they don't know that it's a possibility. But I believe that people will always value their ability to travel everywhere with their wealth.
That's huge.
>> Extremely powerful.
>> And so that's one of the things that we talked about is like when when Peter says that what gives Bitcoin its value, that's one of the things where you can say, well, as long as people value that, then it's never going to zero. And if it's never going to zero, then how it works is it's never going to stop going up, right?
>> Yeah.
If if people like and and I like think of it I think thinking of it this way.
Uh at one point one at one point a house cost 500,000 Bitcoin.
What would it take for it to go back to that price?
And that's that's where you know that okay Bitcoin's going down.
>> Yeah.
>> And it's it's keep it keeps going down.
That's never going to happen. It's the price of one house will never go back to 500,000 Bitcoin because nobody has enough Bitcoin to buy a house in that case.
>> Exactly.
>> When you think of it from that perspective, the the Bitcoin is so distributed, so widely spread that the only way for house prices to go in terms of Bitcoin is to go down because the people who can afford, let's say a house cost seven bitcoin today, the number of people who can afford to pay seven bitcoin for a house is constantly falling.
Yeah, >> because there are fewer and fewer people who have seven Bitcoin. Even the people who have tons of Bitcoin, the OGs, they're selling and the supply is being more and more widely distributed. So because of that, the price of everything has to go down in order for an economy to work. That's what price discovery is.
That's what that's why Bitcoin's price keeps going up in terms of US dollars because it's like what what um Jeff Booth says, the natural state of the economy is deflationary. And and when you when you apply that with being able to move around with your wealth anywhere in the world. So you just have your wealth stored in your head or you have your wealth stored on a piece of paper.
You can carry it wherever you want to and over time you just keep getting wealthier and wealthier. You do whatever you want to. That that's crazy. Like >> that is wild. Nothing has ever existed like that before and that's what changes things. But Peter Shift doesn't understand that.
>> So hopefully you can help him. Hopefully >> hopefully you can help them. Um, got an interesting comment here from Gerard who said, "Does the Genesis block count as spam?" It's funny because we were looking at the BIP 110 mempool a week ago, I believe it was on Jerry's show.
And, uh, it actually is. So, it shows the blocks that are considered to be uh, green. They're BIP 110 compatible. And then all the rest of them are considered toxic. They have a big nuclear waste symbol on them uh which suggests that there are some sort of I guess spam in the blocks and Satoshi's Genesis block was actually considered to be a toxic block according to the BIP 110 rules. Um so that's what I would say to anybody out there. I see some some comments in here about the BIP 110 stuff. uh don't don't have a real closed mind on it because I I think the the only people that are going to get burned in the whole BIP 110 uh thing here are and you can do whatever you want with it, right?
Like you can signal no one's ever going to tell you, especially here, what what you should or shouldn't do. Um but just be be ready, I guess, to switch back once this activation happens. Uh also, don't be sending any Bitcoin during that man after mandatory activation for at least a couple hours. don't be sending any Bitcoin. And the third thing is that, you know, understand that if if it doesn't, we'll know right away, probably within an hour or so, whether or not this is going to be the new Bitcoin or if it's just going to kind of die off.
But I think there's going to be people who might take it to the extremes if they do end up doing a hard fork and, you know, saying that they're going to sell their Bitcoin for the new Bip Bitcoin. I think that's the only people are going to who are going to get burned in this whole thing. So just just be aware and and again go back to the Bitcoin today episode. There were some really good points raised around Bitcoin core why they raised the operturn filter when they did why they did it. And you know it's unfortunate Rajad is like you know we have this system here we were talking about how good it is how how good it can be for our future to have this level of transparency to make sure nobody can change or alter the the votes we'll call them. Um, but the thing with that is like there there's a lot of people with a closed mind and I think that the core side they they aren't the best communicators, right? Like they're developers.
That that's what they do. That's their expertise is is developing software and and maintaining that software and wanting to make the Bitcoin network as efficient as possible. So, of course, they they went to computer science school. They didn't go to communication school. So, I think that that was one of the big things from like my perspective right now that Bitcoin Core really dropped the ball of like explaining why they did that because to me the reason they did it actually makes a lot of sense. They just don't have the ability to communicate that properly because they don't have that brain that that's not their their forte is communicating things properly. And I just think that people haven't heard that side of the argument and they're kind of jumping to the conclusion that Bitcoin's core is compromised. They're not listening to people and they could have handled the situation much better. They could have, but there is information that I think people would uh benefit from hearing listen to that Bitcoin today uh show about it.
>> I haven't listened to it. I need to I need to get I I need to put more time into listening to these conversations.
>> It's just kind of interesting, man. Like you you learn a lot.
That That's what I find. Like I I'm going into these conversations with a very open mind. I'm not for BIP 110. I'm not against BIP 110. I just want to hear what's going on because I I do believe that at some point in the future >> there's going to be a battle or or a war and it is going to require us to do something about it and to know >> how this works >> and to know what we need to do. And so that's it's just kind of me preparing for that. I don't personally I don't think that this is the fight for that, but I do believe that at some point in the future we will have that Yeah, agreed. At some point, at some point, see, see, I feel like even like the people who are watching our show right now, they have their own opinions, >> and I I don't feel like everybody's I don't feel like everybody's opinions were taken into account when the change was made. But, I mean, what can you do about it, right? I also actually saw a stat that said there there was a chart.
I don't know if maybe you've seen it or not, but I saw a chart that said after bit Bit or sorry, after Bitcoin Core 30, after Bitcoin Core 30 was released, >> the amount of large files or large um OP returns didn't increase much.
>> Yeah, that's the part that nobody's really willing to talk about. And that's that's kind of what I'm saying here is like there was just so much >> such a poor job by Bitcoin Core to communicate what they were doing that a lot of average people really took that personally.
>> Yeah.
>> Cuz it wasn't like that they were just explaining themselves poorly. They were actually just like calling people retards and saying you're stupid. We're the best. Your opinion doesn't matter.
Go on with your day. That's that was their perspective. And so that pissed people off. But again, as Rajat said there, if you keep a closed mind and you're not willing to consume new information, I think a lot of people are going to get I shouldn't say a lot of people are going to get burned. There will be some and especially if there is a hard fork and people decide to sell their Bitcoin for Bitcoin. Uh that will be a problem I think for uh but we'll see. Like I said, I'm just I'm I'm pretty excited to watch how it unfolds.
and Reette and I, neither of us were here for the last uh kind of similar time this happened, which was a block size wars like 10 years ago. So, we we get through this now. We're on the other side of this. Bitcoin's still alive either way, and we get to say, "Hey, we went through this war. We we watched it happen. We we we did our best to contribute where we could, and we'll be better prepared for the next one."
>> That's it.
So, I'm uh I know that's and I'm seeing some good comments here, too, but um anyways, I don't want to spend the whole show talking about this. So, we'll get through some of the comments here. If there's anything that's worth >> uh discussing here, we can. But, um Rad, how you feeling right now overall like >> in Bitcoin? Are you the I know we talk about this kind of every week, so I'm guessing, you know, nothing's nothing's changed too much, but like what what's your personal regat sentiment right now?
>> I I've noticed something about um about myself. I haven't been checking the price as much. I used to check it a lot.
I used to check it constantly regularly.
Just keep checking it, keep checking it.
And I haven't really been checking it as much. And I think one of the reasons is um it's a little boring. The price is a little boring because it's not doing anything.
>> So I feel like uh because of that actually it's it's turned out to be a good thing that it's boring. Because of that I've been just building >> and I've been just trying to learn trying to figure out different things.
Like I I've been working on my business.
We've been working on Maple. Uh we've been doing so many things that we probably wouldn't have been doing if we were just creating because a lot of the videos that keep in mind that a lot of the a lot of the um a lot of the videos that people make are related to price >> and because of that they can't focus on other things.
>> Yep. So now because the price is so boring, we still have our core audience.
Like the people who are who are watching us now, they're they're more engaged than ever. But there are other people who who were tourists who just don't care anymore. Or I mean there there could also be people who are not tourists who are just bored like like I was cuz I haven't really been listening to much Bitcoin content. I've been listening to more business content, more >> content about how to build what I have, uh, how to because my my eventual end goal is to help a million people to be onboarded to Bitcoin. I don't know if that's going to happen. I I genuinely think I can do it.
>> You probably already have.
>> I don't think I don't think a million. I I would say max like 10,000.
>> Oh, >> max I'd say max 10,000 because a lot of people who are following my content, they actually own Bitcoin already. I don't know. True.
>> That's the thing. I have no idea. Right.
>> Oh, you're saying you want to orange pill a million people.
>> Orange pill.
>> Oh, wow. Okay.
>> I think that's possible. I think we I even like as part of our group, part of the Bitcoin Minds U mastermind. I think that's possible.
I think we could do that. Uh but I've been just working on that. I've been trying to help I I've been trying to figure out ways to promote the products that I'm creating to help more people to create as much value as I possibly can because again the price is boring. Bare markets is where you build.
>> Yep.
>> If I can build my business and I've been doing this for what the last like four or five years. If I can continue to build, continue to build at some point.
I think there's I think everybody has this in a business sense where they have like this one one time explosion of income that just leads to them kind of being able to exit, right? And I don't plan to exit. I don't want to exit, but I I I plan to use it to buy more Bitcoin.
Yeah. No, that's that's fair. And I think that, you know, the even if you're not really building right now, I still think that you're going to come out of this whole thing better off. Like bare markets suck, man. Especially for like guys like me and you who are directly impacted by the Bitcoin price. Like even though we're not on a Bitcoin standard, neither of us. Um it's more so like our business, our income, our livelihoods are affected by the price, the fiat price of this asset. So we are we are tied you know closer maybe than a lot of other people are. So there are days where you're like man is this ever going to end.
>> But I think on the other side of it too is like the more bare markets you can go through is just another like like same as the the war happening right now. It's almost like a badge. Like if you think about um you know that's how I was going to start the show today is like another day in the trenches here because that's what it feels like. It's like we're fighting with each other. We're fighting with the fiat system. It's it's war.
Like we're at war right now. We're fighting against the the pedophiles of the world. It's it's all happening all the time, always. It's just like it never ends. But I do believe that we're going to be better off every every time you can get through, you know, a show or a week or a month and you're still alive, it's like you're that much stronger than you were before.
>> That's how I see it.
>> Yeah, that's it.
>> The longer you It applies to business as well, right? And that that's what I've been learning. So it the longer you can even if you think about restaurants around you like the longer the restaurant can survive the better it'll do% because there are more and more repeat customers that just keep coming back and if you apply you can apply that to anything right if you the longer that Bitcoin survives the better it'll do because there are more people who will continue to buy and continue to support the price just just because they understand what it is and when you when you see that when you when you just understand that when you get where when you get why that happens it's an unlock that makes it so that you just want to keep getting more. You you you'll do whatever you can to get more.
>> Nobody wants it though. That's the thing is like and I'm I'm the same like I don't want a bare market. Why do I want a bare market?
>> Especially for the Bitcoiners out there who already like have their stack. And this is another thing I've been thinking about a lot lately.
>> Yeah.
>> Which is like at some point in the in the future, I was going to say near future, but I don't know if it will be.
Like Bitcoiners are going to look at their stack and it's like it's not going to change much. You're going to hit a peak and it's probably going to be about the same which means you're going to be working doing the same amount of work maybe even getting the same amount of income but the Satoshi equivalent to that is hardly going to move at all up or down. And so I feel like the people the Bitcoiners who are here already kind of have their stack. Bare markets suck.
There's no reason. I mean for myself and I think Rajasth probably in a similar position is like yeah we've been here for a few years but I'm I still got a ways to go. I still have more Bitcoin to accumulate more more SAS to stack. So it's like ego- wise monthly income wise yes we're getting less but like the equivalent of that in Satoshi is still high where it's meaningful.
>> Yeah.
>> And it's not just because we work in Bitcoin and occasionally get paid in Bitcoin. That's the case for everybody.
you take your salary that you're making today, you still can turn that into a lot of Satoshi's today. So, yes, it hurts, but at the same time, if you are still stacking, man, it's it's not that bad.
And and you you get to add one more bare market to your your resume, your Bitcoin resume, your your blockchain essentially, your your time chain.
>> I was just gonna say your blockchain.
Every buy is an addition to your to your blockchain, right? Every day that you stay in Bitcoin is an addition to your blockchain. Every piece of content that you consume is an addition to your blockchain.
>> Yes, exactly. Now, we got to get through here today.
>> I I really like this about content creation and this is from before I was creating content. People have different opinions. They have different thoughts.
You can learn from so many different perspectives and you can get information from different people that'll put you in a different mindset.
It'll show you how Bitcoin works in a different way. Like for example, I I really like listening to um Safety Namoose, the guy who wrote the Bitcoin Standard, his podcast, the Bitcoin Standard. It's really great because he has different guests on there who have different experiences, right? And there are people from Africa, there are people from Europe, there are people from everywhere who give their opinions on what Bitcoin should be or like these people all have different um specialties. Like there was one guy who who knew a lot about fediment and he had built a fediment in his community which was really cool >> explaining he was just explaining like oh this is what it is and before I listen to that podcast I had no idea what a fedment was now I know because of that podcast what it is but keep in mind like that's such that's such a niche nuanced example of how Bitcoin works that you wouldn't even think of that if you're just having a random conversation >> right that's that's why that's why it takes so long to study Bitcoin because you have to keep going and you have to the longer you're in it, the longer you keep on trying to learn what what is coming, the more examples you'll go through. It's about iterations, right?
Have you do you know I I think you know Naval Rabikant.
>> Oh yeah.
>> He talks about 10,000 iterations. Um and that's exactly what it is. Every single day that you're in Bitcoin is an iteration, >> right? Every hour that you're in Bitcoin is an and most people can't even get through 10 days. Most people can't get through 100 days. Most people can't get through 500 days, right? They they can barely even get through one cycle.
>> If you can get through an entire cycle, oh man, like you're you're a legend. You're already a legend.
>> Yeah. And again, people don't want that.
They don't want to hear that. They want their to buy their Bitcoin. They want it to go up and to the right forever. But that's just not reality. And I don't think you'd want that. It's like it's kind of a microcosm of life is like >> if if all days were good then they wouldn't be good because you wouldn't know the difference between good and bad.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. Like you have to have both.
>> So in in a perfect world, everybody thinks like they're just going to have every day is good. It's everything's going to be perfect. Bitcoin's going to go up and to the right. But if that was the case, then you wouldn't actually appreciate those days. You wouldn't see them as good because you've never experienced the bad days, the the flip side of that. You you wouldn't know the difference.
>> Yeah.
>> So, I think that this >> what we're heading into here this fall.
>> I think it's going to be a lot of fun.
>> I don't even know. I don't know if it's going to be fall. I'm I'm not trying to say that. Okay, you're wrong. But I we don't know when it's going to happen, but eventually. True. I think eventually >> when it starts raining again. That's what I should have said.
>> Yeah, eventually. Yeah, eventually. That that's that's what it is. Eventually, whatever happens will be very beneficial to Bitcoiners. We don't know when it's going to happen. It could happen in fall. It could happen in 2027. It could happen in 2028 for all we know. Like what if Bitcoin goes sideways for another year, but you have to be prepared for that, right? That's the important thing here. You have to be prepared for Bitcoin to do what you don't expect it to do.
>> 100%.
>> And that's I think that's what we focus on. That's that's exactly what we keep doing. But I think the long-term predictions like what what our title is about, I think those are a lot more fun because I feel like you just go wild with your imagination.
>> Yeah. Which is an important part of life, your imagination and and thinking things through properly and the uh you know the side effects of things. I I feel like the average person is just kind of trained to look at what's in front of them and and judge that and not really see everything else that that's around it or what could follow from that, the implications of that. And that that's one thing I feel like I've improved significantly by being in Bitcoin is just thinking of like the the second, third, fourth order effects of something because you don't really need to do that in your life for the most part. But when you are preparing for the future and when you're having these types of conversations, it's a different lens and a different understanding. And I feel like it is severely lacked by the average person of like not being able to see past what's right in front of them.
Yeah, bare markets are really great with uh making you question your conviction.
>> There's a comment from Joshua. He said, "Bitco bare markets are where you get rich."
>> Um I think a lot of people see it as, oh, in the bare market, the dollar value of my asset is going down. But you're also able to accumulate way more of that asset. Like right now, you can buy almost twice as many Satoshi's as you could in October of 2025.
It's that that's not to say that the people who bought in October of 2025 got a bad deal. I bought in October 2025, but now you're getting a better deal.
>> Yeah.
>> At that time, so when Bitcoin goes to a million dollars, at that time it would have 8x, but now it's going to 16x and get to a million dollar. So you're just getting yourself an even better deal.
Why not dollar cost average down if you can?
>> Yeah. Yeah. And so that that's kind of like the what we're going to get to here in a little while is talking about, you know, the the longer term implications of this, what this actually looks like because I feel like most people have these ideas in their head of of what could happen and what that could look like, but it's very difficult when you're thinking in in this realm of Bitcoin and having a an asset that, you know, appreciates over time, something you can actually feel comfortable storing your your wealth in, something that isn't subject to uh interest rate change or isn't subject to a CEO or a board of directors or a new product or a competitor. It's just what it is. And you know, I made a post about this yesterday, but I said like Bitcoin isn't volatile. This is something that actually came up with our our fake shift debate there, >> but I was thinking like Bitcoin actually isn't volatile at all. The world is very volatile. What Bitcoin's doing is it measures that >> like Bitcoin is the the unit of measurement. And and I know a lot of people don't really grasp that yet, and that's okay. But like that's the reality. Nothing changes in Bitcoin.
There's no supply changes. There's no new products there. There's no uh environmental issues or, you know, mother nature took out half the the fleet of of vehicles or something like that. That doesn't happen. That and and I think that that's what people really miss here is like Bitcoin is not volatile. The world is volatile. And so when Bitcoin goes up in price, that means a lot of people have lost faith faith in other things. When Bitcoin goes down, that means that hey, people are like, okay, well, I'll hold some of this stock. AI stocks are ripping because what you do is you you allocate your capital accordingly. And um so yeah, that that's that was the thing for me is like it's not volatile at all. It's it's the world is volatile.
Bitcoin is just measuring it. Mhm.
>> And uh there was one more point I wanted to make about the shift debate too that we were talking about, but it's kind of slipped my mind right now.
It'll come back to me.
What were we talking about here? We had uh >> Oh, let's talk about the expenses, >> the like the spreadsheet. Yeah.
>> Okay. I feel like that's important because a lot of people don't I think a lot of people underestimate how much money they're going to need for retirement >> 100%.
>> And like when you look at the numbers, oh man, it gets it gets a little scary.
Um and this is this is a spreadsheet that I that I made. Uh just a very simple spreadsheet explains um it just shows you what the cost of living could be today and based on 2% inflation what it'll be in a few years, right? And uh the 4% rule is it's based on the Trinity study where um these these at Trinity College I think it was called in 1998 or 1997 they did a study where they came up with the they came to the conclusion that if you are retiring and you want to pay for your expenses you can take out 4% of your portfolio each year if you are um if you own stocks and bonds and your portfol folio will never go to zero. So based on the 4%. So what I did here was I just put in the cost of living. I added an inflation rate whatever the inflation rate is. Uh and I I did different estimations here. You can see up to 7%. So if you had a 2% inflation rate and you need to retire today with $65,000 in expenses, you would need about $1.625 million. And that sounds pretty reasonable. Uh but a lot of people think that millennials can retire with that amount. And it's not even close with for millennials. You can see here it's between two to three million if inflation is 2%. But if inflation is let's say if inflation is 5% you can see that here it's going to be between 4 and 9 million that you're going to need to retire.
If inflation is 7% you're going to need between 6 and $17 million depending on when you were born depending on the year. Uh and and keep in mind that let's say you prepare for a 4% in let's say you prepare for 5% inflation and then inflation turns out to be 8%.
What are you going to do about it?
You're screwed.
And that's where Bitcoin comes in. So the way that I look at it, I mean if if you're if you're young, if you're a lot of people who aren't even born yet, like there are kids who are gen beta. Um, the people who are going to probably be retiring at 2100, they're very likely not born yet, I would assume. Um, but they're going to need $7 million if inflation is 2%. But if inflation is 7%, you can see the massive swing here, you can't prepare for this. This is impossible. And this is why >> everybody's going to die.
>> Exactly. And this is why having a fixed amount of Bitcoin, like just knowing, okay, if I get 0.1 Bitcoin, if I get 0.01 Bitcoin, if I get 0.05 05 Bitcoin for my kids, they'll eventually be able to survive. I think that's why it's so important because these like you can see these swings here. You need between 7 million if inflation is 2% and 242 million if inflation is 7%.
If you're going to retire in 2100, >> I feel like these are numbers that people just ignore blissfully.
>> It's because it happens so slowly >> and it sounds crazy, but like it's it's just math. Yeah, >> it's the same kind of it reminds me very much of of Bitcoin and people's inability to do very simple math and I think it's going to cost them a lot of >> of uh wealth in the future because they just simply refuse to acknowledge >> objective math.
>> And that's what this is to me. It's like it sounds crazy >> to say that somebody's going to need $50 million to retire, but it's just math.
It's >> just math.
It's just it >> unless you have somebody and this is where, you know, Bitcoin really seals the deal for me is like there there's nobody there's no way that this could ever turn around at this point.
>> Yeah. It can't. The system needs more dollars. It needs It constantly needs more dollars. There's never enough dollars.
>> And just the interest alone on this this debt, it's funny to me like I I put it in quot air quotes cuz it's just like it's laughable to me. like $40 trillion and you you uh I think you were gone at this point in the BTC mastermind the other day. By the way, if you haven't checked out the BTC mastermind channel yet, it's uh Rajat, Forest, myself, the three guys from Maple Bitcoin, and then we got Brandon Gentilely, Robin Ser, Jerry Loves Freedom, and uh Sweet Lou Lou Valentino. So, uh, easy to find, but we had a really good discussion the other day. But these guys were talking about interest rates and politics stuff, and I was just kind of like my mind was elsewhere because I just don't give a [ __ ] about that kind of stuff. You know what I mean? But that's kind of what I explained to them was like it's just so far-fetched to me. It's laughable. Like the fact that we're saying that we owe 40 trill well not not even us like this is America but you know I consider us somewhat American but $40 trillion.
What what's like what's the outcome here? What what's the end goal to try to >> Yeah. They call it debt, but it's not like it's going to be paid back.
>> Exactly. So what why even talk about it?
>> Yeah.
>> It's just It's a completely irrelevant figure because it's it's not even mathematically possible to entertain it.
>> Yeah.
>> It's crazy like when you think about that if when you think about the fact that everybody's just using debt as money, something else like we're using something that somebody else can print as money and we're all wondering why things are getting worse.
>> No doubt.
>> That's it's so obvious but people don't want I think most people just don't want to see it.
That's what I'm saying. That that's literally what I'm saying right now is like what we're talking about right now is math.
>> And people just don't want to acknowledge it. They want to ignore it.
But there's a an old quote, I think it was from Anne Rand, who said, "You can you can ignore reality, but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality." And literally that's what we're going to see I believe play out here because people's inability to do very basic math but not only just like say oh [ __ ] I need this much do something about it.
>> Yeah.
>> And that's what I said. We're everybody's going to be dead. If you need if you need $60 million to retire at that time everybody's dead because nobody has that.
>> And that that's the the real sinister thing about the K-shaped economy where anybody who holds assets they're the top part of the K. they go up forever because as more money is printed, it flows to those assets. So, they keep getting richer. The bottom part of the K, those people get poorer forever.
>> So, yeah, there will be people that survive this, but it's it's not the majority of people. It's like the 2% of people will survive this. Everybody else is toast.
>> Yeah. And everybody who everybody who doesn't own Bitcoin, I would say.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. I feel like even legacy assets, you're not going to survive with them.
They're not enough.
>> Yeah. Unless you can I mean what what would and this is this was another thing I've been thinking about is land and Bitcoin. I I just feel like you know it's actually Rajat I forgot to mention this too but shout out to Rajad. He uh he came up with this strategy about a year ago now.
>> Oh >> probably Bitcoin and cash.
>> Bitcoin and cash. Yeah.
>> And then uh >> Sailor adopted it.
>> We Yeah. Sailor adopted it. He did a video on the Maple channel about the Bitcoin barbell strategy.
>> Yeah.
>> And so, not only did Sailor and Strategy start buying cash in line with Reat's uh recommendation for the ideal investment portfolio, but then they actually just posted last week uh the they literally called the Bitcoin barbell strategy.
>> Wow.
>> Did you see that?
>> I didn't see that. No. That's so funny.
We have that like we have that in our Maple community from what a year ago?
No, it was six months I looked at the video.
>> Wow.
>> I'll show you this. Read. You hadn't seen this?
>> I haven't. I haven't.
>> I thought >> that's crazy. They're definitely looking at our content then.
>> Well, I mean, we can't really confirm that, but it just seems kind of weird.
Uh, where is it?
>> I guess so.
>> We can neither neither confirm nor deny, but uh Oh, man. I've been active on Twitter lately. What the hell am I doing with my life? Where is this? Right here.
Right here. I surprised I had to go uh down this far. But here, shout out to uh >> shout out to Will Jones. He gave us uh he's he put this in our inbox here.
>> Oh my.
>> But look at that.
>> That's so funny.
>> Literally a barbell strategy with cash and reserve and uh Bitcoin.
>> But ours is different. We made it so that the middle we made it so that the middle is businesses.
>> And I feel like that's the thing that really makes us so much makes ours so much more powerful because you need I mean I guess I they they said avoid the diff avoid the fragile middle but I think the middle for them is STRC.
>> It'd be how they make money. Yeah, it would be or >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It'd be it'd be selling shares essentially, >> right?
Like how do they generate cash flow?
That's the middle, >> right?
>> I think the the ends are basically the cash of the your savings.
The that's the ends and the middle is your cash flow machine. And our cash flow machine is what are what are your cash flow machines if you don't mind saying >> me?
Uh I actually talked about this on the stream this morning. I have uh >> Oh, nice.
>> I probably have like at least 10 streams of income. Good. Wow.
>> And and I want to get that higher.
I'm actively trying to uh to to stack more income streams, but uh yeah, that's that's the the income coming in. So then every time I receive income from these multiple sources, I decide is it going into cash or is it going into Bitcoin?
That's kind of the decision there.
>> Yeah.
>> And I'll actually bring this up because I think this is worth talking about again. But before we do that, this was the debate that we did yesterday.
>> Man, I was watching uh Jerry's stream, Jerry Loves Freedom. He brought this up >> yesterday on his channel and he hadn't seen the Well, you know, Jerry's on the mastermind. Um >> Yeah. Yeah. We met in Vegas.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We were Vegas strip together.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> But um he opened this up and he didn't even see the thumbnail. He just saw that we posted it and stuff. And when he saw this thumbnail of like me as Peter Schiff here, his reaction to it was like 15 out of 10. He was he was dying. He almost fell out of his chair laughing at this.
>> Oh man, that's so funny.
>> Yeah. So, this was uh shout out to Forest for making this thumbnail. We kind of did it the three of us together here. But uh yeah, this was the the fake one that we did there. So, if I go Maple Bitcoin, there we go. Barbell strategy.
So, here it is. This was the um right here.
So, ours looks a little bit different than Sailors did, but it still has cash on the left, just like theirs, and Bitcoin on the right. And you can see it was six months ago. But yeah, this is the uh maybe we should spend a couple minutes talking about this, Rejack, because I do think that this is important. I was kind of going along the lines of land there, but I think that we might as well stop uh and take a little breather here with this. But your income here, so this is kind of what you got to decide. That's the middle part is like are you going to put it to cash or are you going to put it to Bitcoin and maybe kind of explain your your thesis on on uh the decision there.
>> So the way that I think of it is uh if let's say for example if you have other assets let's say you have real estate, you have stocks, you have bonds, you have um whatever the other assets are the the value of those assets can go up and down.
So let's say you have an emergency to pay for it. Like the the only reason why you would even need cash is because of the short term. Everything else can be covered by Bitcoin, right? So you need actually short and medium term. So let's say for example up to four years, you need something that's solid, something that doesn't change.
>> This is this is partly why like if you go back to our older post, I I always say that you probably shouldn't hold STRC for short term. Like it's very difficult to know what it's going to do.
And that's exactly what happened. I had I had underestimated or sorry I had over no I had underestimated how long it'll say volatile for. I had expected it to be volatile for at least 3 months right and I said okay maybe more than three more than three months you can hold STRC but now I've kind of changed that as well. I would say with STRC you'd probably want to hold for at least a year and a half maybe even two years because of how like that interest payment that you're getting is really great. they have the cash reserves for two years out and if you're retired maybe you want some cash because you want to get through a whole Bitcoin cycle without having to sell.
>> But the point of this >> the the point of this I know what you're saying and I agree but like the point of this barbell strategy is like there is no STRC in here. There is no >> two or three month timeline. It's either cash or Bitcoin.
>> Cash or Bitcoin. So cash would be your short-term and you would hold cash instead of let's say a real estate property cuz a real estate property can be volatile. It could take a long time for it to sell. Um it could go up and it could go down. You might have nightmare tenants and that's not worth it to hold and you you just have that headache always you're always dealing with that headache. Whereas with cash, you don't have to do that. You don't have to deal with anything. You just have cash and you can spend on whatever you want to.
Of course, it's going to lose money to inflation, but think of that as just a cost of applying the strategy, a cost of safety, a cost for liquidity.
>> Yeah.
>> On the other hand, four years from now, you have your Bitcoin. And in four, every four years, Bitcoin's price goes up. If you just keep dollar cost averaging into Bitcoin, you're not going to do you're going to do very well over the long term. And over time, as you as you keep building your blockchain, as you stay in Bitcoin for longer and longer and longer, you're going to notice that your purchasing power has risen significantly. The Bitcoin that you bought 5 years, 6 years, 7 years ago has gone up a lot more than, of course, the Bitcoin that you bought a year ago, two years ago, and that's extremely powerful. So, your long-term is Bitcoin, your short-term is cash. That's it.
>> Yep.
>> That it's as simple as that. You just need cash and Bitcoin. You don't need anything else. Of course, you have your income. You can put, like you said before, you're making the decision for do you buy, do you hold on to cash or do you get more Bitcoin?
>> Yep.
>> That's what your decision is all about.
Like you don't have to decide, oh, where do I buy this rental property? Where do I which stock do I invest in next? Which thing do I buy? Which which thing do I buy? You don't have to think about any of that, >> which saves you so much time, too.
>> So much time. So much time and headaches.
>> And really what I think people want to get out of Bitcoin, like the return they're looking for from Bitcoin is time. Yeah, >> right. It's what everybody wants. That that's what Bitcoin measures. That's what money is. It's a repres abstract abstract metric of time. It's how you measure it, right? Like if you got a bunch of Bitcoin, then you don't have to work. Then you buy all your time, right?
Like if if I had 20 Bitcoin right now, I wouldn't see any need to to work. I wouldn't have any sort of reason to waste time doing things that I didn't want to do because I could just use my Bitcoin to pay for my life. Bitcoin buys you time. That's the whole point of it.
And so I I like thinking about this too when you're when you're considering if if you're adopting this strategy that we talked about and you're right, when we introduced this idea six months ago, there was a lot of people saying, "Well, I'm just going to outsmart you guys and hold STRC."
>> Yeah.
>> And it wasn't a good idea. Number one, because it actually turned out to be much more volatile than even we expected.
>> But number two, it's not liquid.
You can't get access to your ex STRC on a Sunday afternoon.
>> Yeah, >> you just can't. You You might be able to sell it and pull out that money from your brokerage, but that's probably not going to arrive in your bank account for two or three days. So, it's not >> your money has to settle.
>> Exactly.
>> The money has to settle, right? The That's the thing with cash. Your cash is already settled.
>> Exactly.
>> There's a comment here from Rocky's Life. Sorry, is this a little bit of a a little bit of a um tangent? But he said he's buying he bought 30 shares of STRC.
Uh he's going to keep reinvesting the dividends. In 10 years it'll be worth over 100K. In 30 years it'll be worth significantly more. So I just wanted to say I think you'd be better off holding Bitcoin.
>> Amen.
>> Just apply this strategy. Exactly what we were what we're talking about here.
If you just hold Bitcoin for the next 30 years, exactly what Strategy is doing with Stretch. They're selling Stretch to buy more Bitcoin. If you hold Bitcoin, then you'd be much better off even with your retirement funds. Like you you're it's fine if you get what you can do is you can buy ETFs or you can buy um MSTR if you want to. I think you'd be better off doing that. The ETFs would probably be better than STRC.
>> Agreed. I would agree with that for long term because he's talking about a long long time horizon here. And that's the whole point like we talked about what you're giving up there because that's what people fear especially if you're in Bitcoin. and you're like, "Well, I don't want to hold cash cuz I'm going to lose purchasing power." But yeah, that is the cost of of um stability.
>> It allows you to take risk.
>> Yeah. And that's what the whole point of this other side is is like that's your moonshot. That's your long term over here.
>> That's what Bitcoin is.
>> Yeah. And then in the short term, in the short term, you're building your business and you're building even more cash. And you can have that c you can use that cash that you have to build your business if you want to. And you can as your business throws off more cash, you replenish your cash uh cash reserves.
>> Exactly.
So I guess the question is again like if you are going to adopt this strategy that we're talking about here, cash and Bitcoin, uh it has proven to be pretty good since we recommended it. Um I it is something that I've adopted myself and I will continue to do so in the future.
But the question is then is like you get paid, what do you put it in? Are you going left side or you going right side?
And I think there's a couple different ways to think about this, which is number one, you got to ask yourself where you are right now in Bitcoin. Are you somebody who is satisfied with your stack? Like if this is all the Bitcoin that you were ever able to buy, would you be happy with that? Or how long have you been here? How much more do you think you have to go? Like you got to you got to take a good look in the mirror and say, "This is where I am.
This is where I want to go." And if that gap is still very wide, if you still have a lot of stacking to do, then you should probably be allocating mostly to Bitcoin at that point. But if you are somebody who has kind of like a sizable stack built up already, then maybe you start allocating more to the cash side of it.
>> Yeah. I was also thinking it's also depending on how close you are to retirement.
>> True. Explain that maybe though.
>> So let's say you're really like let's say you're you're one of us. We're in our mid30s and um we're not even close to retirement. We don't plan to retire anytime soon. I plan to keep working. I I know you plan to keep working. You plan to keep doing what you can. Uh so in our case, maybe you'd want a smaller emergency fund like your cash reserve would be smaller. So let's say your cash reserve in that case, maybe 3 to six months and the rest of it just goes into Bitcoin. And you have your solid income and you keep working on that. You keep building that up and hopefully nothing happens to you in the next maybe hopefully nothing stops your your ability to generate cash for the next three to four years. If you can get through that first 3 to four years, then you're probably pretty safe. But the closer you get to retirement, you want to bump up your cash reserve. So let's say for example, every year of every year that you get closer to retirement, maybe you add a month to your cash reserve. So, right now, let's say you're 30 and you have Oh, you're nodding at the same time as the video. That was so funny. Um, every every So, let's say, for example, you're 30. When you turn 31, let's say you're at 30, you have a three-month cash reserve. Maybe at 31, you want to bump that up to four months.
>> 32, maybe you bump that up to 5 months.
33, maybe you bump it up to 6 months.
And then as you go, uh, maybe you stop at four years as you keep going, as you keep going. But you'd you'd ideally do the calculation to see how long it'll take you to get to to to four years. And you would just figure out how long or how much you should bump up your cash reserve each year based on that four years by let's say 65 or whenever you retire. Let's say you want to retire at 50.
In that case, you do the calculation to see how long should I uh wait or sorry, how much cash should I add to my cash reserve each year in order to have the right amount by the time I retire.
>> Yeah, I love that. That that's a that's a really good way to think about it. And I think that kind of the point of the reason why you're doing this, I guess we should we should kind of allude to this too, but the reason why you're doing this is so that you're never forced to sell your Bitcoin.
>> Yeah, >> that's the whole point.
Because if if you're too right side heavy and you have all Bitcoin, all long-term moonshot, you know it's going to work, but you still have to get through the the trenches, the shitty days like this, the bare markets. And the last thing you want to do when the price goes way down is sell.
>> Yeah.
>> So that that's the whole point of whole having a cash reserve here is so that you don't ever have to touch your Bitcoin. Once it goes to that right side, it's staying there. Like it's it's almost a lock unless something, you know, very extreme comes up. But you never want to dip into that. That's your long-term moonshot, man. That's that's your generational wealth over there. You never want to mess with that. You never want to be in a position where you are forced to sell that. Uh, and that's that's why you get your cash reserves up.
>> If you ever get forced, it's probably going to be at a massive loss.
>> Yeah.
>> Because they're not going to force you to sell at the top.
>> Exactly.
>> That's every business is doing fine.
Then there's no margin calls at that time. At that time, you're probably going to want to continue to buy more.
And you're like, in my actually something that I did wrong was uh I mentioned this before, people make mistakes at the bottom because they think it's going to keep going down. I shorted Bitcoin when it was at like 25K.
>> No way.
>> Stupidest stupidest. I mentioned this before, but it was stupidest decision ever. Um, it went down a few thousand dollars. But I'm okay with that cuz I learned that. I learned my lesson and I'm never shorting it again. That you have to learn. You have to learn. You have to apply the lessons that you learn. If you don't, then you keep making the same mistakes and you keep getting burned, right? You you don't want to keep getting burned. So, for me, I'm never going to short it again. But in most people's cases, they aren't doing this. They don't have any cash. So if they get liquidated at the bottom, they might lose the majority of their Bitcoin.
>> Yeah. Then they have no cash and no Bitcoin.
>> No cash and no Bitcoin. And potentially they have debt because some people like they use debt to buy Bitcoin at the top.
>> Yeah.
>> That's when the cash runs out. Once the cash runs out, the price starts coming down.
>> Yeah.
I think another thing too, like if you're if you're somebody who's maybe not on either end of the spectrum that we're talking about here of like you have a lot of Bitcoin already or you have no Bitcoin, maybe there's somewhere in between and you're just kind of going, you know, flying more by the seat of your pants. I think in that case, then what I would do and what I do do personally is that I look at the the fear and greed index. So let's say I get a a payment from somebody for something 500 bucks. I'll look at the the fear and greed index and if it's fearful then I might allocate more to Bitcoin.
If it's greed I like that >> if it's greed then I'll allocate more to c I'll still buy a little bit of Bitcoin but I'll allocate more to my cash reserve there. So that way you actually maximize both your cash and your Bitcoin holdings over time by just using that very simple metric of you know is the market fearful? Is it is it basically saying is Bitcoin on sale right now? Is it is it a good time to buy Bitcoin? And if it is, you can tell very easily. Then you allocate more to your right side, your Bitcoin.
>> If Bitcoin's high, then maybe you don't buy as many SATs and maybe you actually add to your cash reserve. So then when it comes back down, maybe if you have an excess cash reserve and and Bitcoin goes down, it's back in a fearful market, then you can actually get a larger chunk of Satoshi's. You can do a smash buy with some of the cash reserve that you have.
Yeah, I like that. And it's it's about figuring out whether or not Bitcoin is on sale. I think that's >> if you know you can look at the crypto fear and greed index. You can look at uh the 4year moving average price. What else can you look at? You can look at um the realized value. If Bitcoin's price is closest to is is close to the bottom lines, usually that means that it's at a discount. It's it's on sale. If it's at the bottom of, let's say, the power law, it's probably at a discount. I I'm not even saying that I I'm a huge fan of the power law. I don't I don't exactly know if it'll work out, but it seems like whenever it touches the bottom the bottom band of the power law, it goes up. Whenever it touches the bottom band of the or whenever it touches the 4-year moving average price, it eventually starts going up. Whenever it goes to extreme fear, it eventually starts going up.
>> Exactly.
So, just kind of looking at this right now, like an actual example. So, let's let's say that I got uh it's Friday today. Let's say that I was getting paid by uh a sponsor. Neither of us have sponsors and the show doesn't have sponsors, but let's say that I was I got $500. My weekly Friday payment of $500.
I would look at this, and you could do this very simply, like I would look at this and say, "Okay, well, the market is fearful. Why are they fearful?" That's usually reflected in the price. Price should be lower today. So, which means I'm probably going to allocate a little bit of more into Bitcoin. So, based off of this crypto fear and greed index or Bitcoin fear and greed index, I should say, uh, I would probably allocate 300 to 350 into Bitcoin and then 150 to 200 into my cash reserve because I feel like it is a good day to be buying Bitcoin. It's down. The market's fearful. I'm going to get more Satoshi's. Whereas, if it was on the flip side of this, if it was in the greens, I might say, "Well, you know, it's it's probably a little bit hot right now, a little bit over uh, you know, over stimulated. So, I'm just going to buy $150 worth of Bitcoin and then put the rest into my cash reserve."
And uh, I just think that that's a really easy way to to navigate that middle part of the barbell.
>> Yeah.
There's also um there's something else I was just about to say. Um I forgot it just slipped my mind.
>> Talking about fear, greed, indexes, measurements, incomes, price, up, down, sideways.
>> There's something else.
Oh, um I was going to say in in the legacy system, you can also just keep delaying your expenses.
Right? Let's say for example you have a credit card.
>> You let's say okay so let's say you can let's say you can buy Bitcoin and we're in extreme fear >> and the Bitcoin price is at like 58K like it was a few >> few days ago.
>> Uh if you used your entire paycheck to buy Bitcoin and then you put your expenses on a credit card and then you paid back the credit card with the next month's earning. Think of think of how that would have that would have impacted your savings. So you bought Bitcoin at 54 58K bought at the very very bottom.
A month later or a month maybe month maybe two months later whatever it is a little bit later I think it's a month and a half later. So a month and a half later Bitcoin's price is at 64k. I don't know what's if it's going to go higher if it's going to go lower but just that alone shows you okay it's up 10% more than 10%. How much does your interest cost in that time?
cost you maybe 1% in a month if you had to pay interest >> on a credit card.
>> On a credit card, >> 20%, >> but that's 20% for the year, >> right?
>> So, it's it's it's prrated, right? So, it'll be 1% for that month and a half and you have that 30-day or 21day grace period. So, you use the cash to buy Bitcoin and then if Bitcoin's at extreme fear, like you put like exactly like what you were saying there, that strategy that you used, if it's in fear, you put a little bit more. If it's an extreme fear, maybe you put the entire 500 towards Bitcoin and then the following month you use because Bitcoin's price will probably be a little higher the following month you use the entire $500 to pay off your credit card, >> right? Yeah, that's that's a good point.
Yeah, I mean you you can use a lot of these tools at your disposal to, you know, to maximize it and uh I mean, especially with something like a credit card, which is unsecured debt.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. like it it's different than taking a loan against your Bitcoin and potentially getting a margin call or something like that. But yeah, credit card, who gives a [ __ ] I forgot to pay my credit card for like 3 months one time. Like nobody cared. I had to pay a little bit of interest on it.
>> Yeah, whatever.
>> Or line of credit. Line of credit gives you a little lower interest rate >> and sometime like I have a line of credit that's charging me 6%. That's so low.
>> That is low. that feels so low and I'm I'm going to use that to my advantage, right? Why would I like now I'm buying more Bitcoin. I don't care if the price goes lower eventually. I'm just buying more because I can I have the ability to and I I'll keep generating cash flow and that's what that's what you're building for during bare markets because during bull markets because of how our business works, we're going to be getting a lot more cash and we can use that to buy less.
>> We can use that cash to pay off our debt.
>> True. Yep.
>> Right. So it's like cy >> at the bottom you buy >> use your line of credit go not go all in but like just put as much as in as you can and then at the top when the price starts going back up >> you use that cash that you get to pay off the debt and if you do it if you do it um like if you're if you're careful I think you could do very well >> most people aren't >> most people aren't careful I I wasn't careful before like I made stupid decisions but now that's the thing too right like as you get a little As you get your years into Bitcoin, you start making better decisions. You start thinking of things different ways. You start buying smarter and you start just >> you learn from your mistakes.
>> Exactly.
>> And that's what I was going to say with this is like Gerard here said, "No barbell for me. It's more like Thor's hammer, all Bitcoin." And I'm telling you, this is this is what I learned my lesson about. I was pretty much all in on Bitcoin. like I hardly had any money, any cash um reserves because I was like, well, if I really need it, I can just sell some Bitcoin or I can sell some shares and pay off whatever I need to.
Man, was I wrong about that? Because I was forced to sell some of my Bitcoin.
And of course, when you need to do that, you're at the bottom. And so, you have to sell your Bitcoin at the bottom. And I'm somebody who believes that Bitcoin is worth tens of millions of dollars today. And for me to have to sell a decent size of my stack to, you know, to pay off my my needs, man, that stung.
And I was like, I'm never going in back into that position again. I'm never living through this again. I learned my lesson because, yeah, it sounds great.
Like all in Bitcoin. Um, but it the reality is different. The reality gave me a good Thor's hammer to the side of the head and said, uh, keep some cash, J.
>> That hurts.
I had a I had a client who had to sell some of his Bitcoin or no, sorry, he didn't have to sell. He got liquidated cuz he took a loan against his Bitcoin and he was thinking, I don't need cash.
He that's that was his thinking. He was like, I don't need cash. I'll just borrow against my Bitcoin whenever I need to. And he got liquidated. He lost four Bitcoin because of that.
>> Oh my god. You're kidding.
>> Horrible.
>> And that could have so easily been avoided.
>> Yeah.
by buying let's say three and a half Bitcoin instead of four and not using it as collateral.
>> Yeah.
>> Like that literally just just buy three and a half Bitcoin, keep the other.5 in cash and you probably would have been perfectly fine.
>> Like that that's what that's why this thing works.
>> It's like a safety net.
>> Exactly.
>> It's a safety like if you have six months of cash that means that you could lose your job for six months and you'll be fine. You don't have to sell your Bitcoin. And in that six months in that six months it's very likely that Bitcoin might have turned around as well.
or you found a new job or whatever.
>> Yep.
>> Um, the last thing I was going to say on this is it was interesting. I really have no idea how this video popped up on my feed last night, but you know, we're talking about buying scarcity here.
>> Uh, you know, you can you can get as cute as you want to. If you're willing to put in some time and energy, you could figure out how to do this system pretty well. And it kind of made me think of uh an interview. I was actually watching it from uh let me it'll be in my history here. I don't know what it's called, but it was a it was actually a really interesting watch. And I know there's a lot of people who, you know, suffer from uh the Trump derangement syndrome. Um but this this video here was called Donald Trump guest on Montel Williams show in 1997.
And the reason why I'm bringing this up is because he basically told the story of him, you know, he was obviously really into real estate. He was basically the top of the world in the late 80s and then infamously he lost everything. He went bankrupt, right? And so he's kind of talking through the experience there and what he learned from it and you know buying when others are very fearful. That's really how he got his whole uh empire that he built.
But it's just so different listening to this guy in 1997 versus 2026. Not that I don't think he's a different guy. I just think that the way people thought about him and and talked to him and ask questions were much different in the '9s than they were after he ran for president. But I was kind of thinking like why couldn't somebody if they really wanted to he he basically said like the the banks have money every he he has very good relationships with the banks. That's how he's able to buy more real estate. It's the Robert Kiyosaki playbook where you never pay taxes. You use your debt, you buy more assets, um appreciating assets and you just have to have a very very good stomach, I guess, for volatility and going bankrupt and coming back. And it's just if you wanted to do that, I think you could very easily do that with Bitcoin. the same strategy that Trump did with real estate in terms of just taking as much as you can from the banks, putting it into appreciating assets, and over the long term, you win.
It's just that most people, it's very difficult to to go through those times to basically hit rock bottom and bounce back. But it that's what the first thing I thought is like if somebody really wanted to do this with Bitcoin, they could do something similar to what Trump did with with real estate by just using accessing cheap capital and buying appreciating assets with it.
>> That's what Sailor is doing and people are giving him [ __ ] for it.
>> He's taking four years.
>> But he's not taking the bank's money though. That's the difference. He's taking other people's money to do it.
That's why people don't like that.
>> Right. That's a good point.
Because that's what that's what Trump said. He's like, I I have really good relationships with banks. I I take as much money from them as they'll give me and I buy real estate with it. And over the long term, that's a winning strategy. And you're right, that's like literally what Sailor's doing with with with Bitcoin. But I just feel like you could do that strategy yourself without being a public company or without, you know, having people buy shares of STRC or MSTR. you could just use whatever the bank will give you and then you use that Bitcoin next time as collateral and keep going upwards like that. I I I think that there's something there. It's just who's willing to do that.
>> That's it.
>> It's scary.
>> As people figure it out, I think more and more of them will start doing it.
>> I think as people like see that, okay, this strategy works and Bitcoin is the best asset and it and it does what it's supposed to and it keeps going up and all that stuff. I think as that happens, as people figure that out, more and more people will take the opportunity of buying Bitcoin with debt and they'll you like, think about how much capital is locked up in houses today, >> 100%. people have like $500,000 in their in their house as equity and they don't want to do anything with it because they think it's too risky or they just don't understand that. Okay, if you just have equity in your house, if you if you don't do anything with it, then it'll probably underperform because houses don't outperform you. You don't have leverage on that. On the other hand, if you were to take that money out and put it in the stock market, of course, the stock market is going to be volatile, but you'll massively outperform over the long term. If you take that money out and put it in Bitcoin, oh man, you're you're going to go your numbers are going to be crazy. But that's that's the thing. Most people are too scared.
They're too worried. They can't handle the volatility. They can't handle um >> right >> just the studying it, right? They can't put in the time. Even that again, like that's that's a huge huge benefit that we have over the average person, right?
The people in this chat, I'm guaranteeing you they've probably put in a thousand hours each. Like, a lot of these names are repeats. I see them every single week. And I'm guaranteeing you they're not just watching our content. They're watching tens of other people's content, right? And they're spending thousands of hours every single year or probably thousands of hours, maybe a thousand hours every single year just thousand hours. No, no, no. That's probably not right. Maybe like 500 hours every single year just learning about Bitcoin.
>> That's like an hour and a half a day.
>> Hour? Yeah. Thousand hours is like three hours a day.
>> Three hours a day. Three hours a day is actually possible.
>> That's possible for some people. That's actually possible. But like a lot of these people are probably spending 500 hours a year just learning about Bitcoin, trying to figure out what it is, how it works, and trying to figure out the nuances and all those details.
you're guaranteed to like if Bitcoin does what we expect it to, you're going to be rewarded. And like if this many people see where Bitcoin is going and if this many people see that, okay, it's it's if this many people come to the same conclusion, I don't think they're wrong.
>> It's math. They just they just basically said, okay, yeah, 1 plus 1 equals 1, whereas the crowd is saying, no, 1 plus 1 equals 3.
literally. But they wouldn't know that because they haven't spent the time to figure it out. But yeah, I I agree, man.
Like >> th this strategy makes way more sense to me than the real estate strategy.
>> Yeah.
>> Way more sense to me.
>> Yeah.
>> And you know, I'm not I'm not a you know, I'm not unique. I'm not that I mean, I am special. I'm very unique myself, but like I'm not a genius. It's it's not hard. You just got to put in the work to figure out why Bitcoin is far superior to real estate in this type of a a setup like that. Like the the Kiosaki strategy. Um it just makes so much sense. And we we've talked about we don't need to explain it again, but there's a lot of reasons why Bitcoin is far superior of collateral, which really that strategy relies on real estate as collateral. So you can get more money, your collateral continues to go up, you get more money, you buy more collateral, keeps going up, you buy more, get more money. It's just that cycle, never- ending cycle. And Bitcoin is the same version of that with scarcity, except it has some very unique features that real estate cannot offer. I don't think real estate will ever go away. Kind of what we've we've been talking about is like it's just going to continuously get repriced by Bitcoin. So it'll go down.
Uh there's a comment there from Senor Gringo Puppy. He said, "If you use equity in your loan, if you use equity, your loan increases and the rates go higher and your monthly payment is higher, it's not worth it." But let's say, for example, if you are regularly investing $1,500 a month into Bitcoin. I I know people who are investing like $3,000, $4,000 a month into Bitcoin, and they're just consistently putting money into Bitcoin. What if instead of DCAing, you took out a loan?
Honestly, man, it doesn't matter what year you're from because we we we saw somebody who was from 2016 who didn't know what hash rate is. So, doesn't really mean anything. Um, but let's say for example, instead of DCAing, you take on a loan and then you take out exactly the amount that would require whatever you're dcaing into Bitcoin and you just make those payments every single month.
You're making the payments anyways.
you're continuing to DCA into Bitcoin anyways. But in this case, what you're doing is you're buying the Bitcoin up front.
So, if you do it the right way, like if you have a plan, if you figure out how to do it, then it's not as risky as people claim, but that's okay.
>> Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, not definitely not for everybody. That's the thing, right?
>> Yeah.
>> And I think Trump was fortunate enough to have some cushion when he started. I I don't know the exact amount that he got from his his father, but >> he got a pretty good head start.
>> And I think you need to have that, right? And not necessarily >> even in that case, you need balls, man.
Like you need to do money. A lot of people, they would get the money and they wouldn't do anything with it.
>> I agree. No, I agree.
>> Right.
>> That I think that takes I think that takes credit from him cuz he had to do something with the money. A lot of people say, "Oh, yeah, he got lucky."
>> But if you got like a lot of people say, "Oh, he got lucky." or a lot of people are going to say that Bitcoiners got lucky. They have the opportunity right now and they're not taking it. They probably had the same a lot of people have probably had the same opportunity as Donald Trump, right? But he had to I'm not saying that he's a good person.
I don't really care who he is. I don't really like him personally. I don't really care though. But he took the opportunity.
>> That's a good way to be, >> right? He took the opportunity and he used it to his advantage. Why not?
That's a smart idea. That's I think that he did it the right way. He he doesn't get nearly enough credit for what he's built and not just for for the for the real estate deals he's done, >> but just like the fact that every person on this planet knows the name Trump. You have to be a next level marketing. He's the best marketer of all time. And I don't even know who second place would be.
>> Yeah.
>> And what is what is business? It's it's marketing. It's selling. It's like, man, like like you said, you don't you don't necessarily care for them. That's okay.
It doesn't really matter. I just think that people spend too much of their life with him in their heads, >> right?
>> Yeah.
>> Like just just losing their own minds, giving up their own time thinking about Trump. But man, you cannot take away from what that guy's built. And I really believe that even if it is a smaller scale, what I was trying to get at there was like you have that ability now. It's basically like getting a massive inheritance from your family of like five um five citywide blocks in New York City right now. If you're in Bitcoin right now, it's the same thing. It's just it doesn't happen overnight. It it went from Trump's dad or Trump's grandpa to to dad to Trump and to look what's been built by that. It's not something that you do in a couple years. it. You just have to have the right set uh the right mindset, the the right time frame and have some balls to do something about it instead of just sitting around, you know, waiting for the price of Bitcoin to go up.
>> Yeah. Even think about it right now.
Like a lot of people, they have the opportunity in front of them. They probably have a cushion. Maybe they have like a 10, 20, $30,000 cushion, but they're not going to take action.
>> Exactly.
>> They're just not They're too scared. But then when it works out, they're going to call the people who worked out for lucky. That that's the thing that I don't like. They don't want to take the opportunity for themselves and then when it happens, they say, "Oh, you got lucky." Even like, let's say, for example, with social media, I've had a lot of people who who who ask me about social media. I say, "Hey, you can start your own channel. Started about this, started about cooking, started about um teaching this or that, whatever it is."
They always say, "Oh, it's oversaturated. It's oversaturated." And then they tell me, "But you got lucky.
You got in at the right time." No. Stop.
stop taking my stop taking the work that I put in away. It's not true. But it's exactly the same thing with Bitcoin.
They're like, "Oh, but we're too late.
We're too late. It's not It's not possible now. It's not going to have the same returns." But then when it does, they're like, "Oh, you got lucky. You got lucky. You made a guess and you got right. You got it right. And I bet you can't do it again." Like, they'll make something up just to like rage bait you and to cope.
>> Not even that. They just They need that for their own egos. for their own ego, >> their own self worth >> to cope to cope.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. And that's that's what they do.
They that's that's what a lot of people do. And they're going to do that with Bitcoiners. And a lot of the people in this chat right now, you're going to have somebody telling you, "Oh, you got lucky."
>> Like there's going to be people like Stan, for example.
>> Stan's in Nigeria, he has just he's just been stacking Bitcoin regularly. That's it. Like he's just been buying what he can. He's been paying for his expenses and he's been buying Bitcoin with a difference. He probably has less money than a lot of us and he's still stacking Bitcoin. He's still finding a way.
>> What a lucky.
>> And in 10 years, in 10 years, people are going to be like, "Oh, you got lucky.
You got lucky. You're able to buy this compound and you're able to feed your family with the best food and the best quality uh water and the best quality clothes, but you got lucky."
No, he had the balls to make a difference in his family's life. He's the only one who did it. Nobody else is willing to. give him the credit where credit is due.
>> Yeah. And I mean, uh, I remember a famous clip from, uh, the NHL back in the day where, uh, Jeremy Ronic, you know, Jeremy Ronic.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> He was chirping, uh, Pat Patrick Wah. He he basically there was it must have been a goal that uh I forget who Ronic was with at the time the Flyers maybe but they scored on Wah and he said something about Patrick W's jockstrap still being up in the rafters from him getting like you know undressed and a deep uh and Patty W said uh I couldn't I couldn't heard what Jeremy said with my two Stanley Cup ears plugging my ring uh plugging my ears >> and I just feel like that's going to be Bitcoiners too. Like I don't care if anybody's going to call me lucky. I don't give a [ __ ] what they say. I won't be able to hear them. I'll be >> Yeah.
>> You know, high up on the hill with with uh the mound that I built there. So, it is it is absolutely going to happen. But at the same time, who gives a [ __ ] >> That's it.
>> Put your uh put your Stanley Cup your two cold cards in your ears and just uh don't listen to it.
>> Like it.
>> Okay. Yeah. Well, uh I got a sweaty Guinness here. It's pretty hot today as you can see in here.
>> Yeah. But, uh, that means happy hour time.
>> Happy hour time.
>> So, let's, uh, let's head over there. Do you got any closing thoughts? This is a really good, uh, we didn't really know where we were going to go with it today.
>> The last thing, actually, sorry to the school community here. We might be a couple minutes late, but can you just bring up your spreadsheet one more time >> because I think uh, there was one more point that I wanted to make on that and get your thoughts on it.
>> This one, right?
>> Yeah. And so you you have these numbers because we we kind of touched on the first part about like this very scary part of it which was you know the the younger you are the more you're going to need to retire based on the current inflation rates.
>> Yeah.
>> Can you just buzz through those again quickly like the different generations what what the requirements were?
>> So if it's if the inflation rate is 2% and you're you're a baby boomer you're going to need$ 1.6 million to$ 1.7 million to retire. Whereas, if it's 4% or sorry, if it's 7%, you'll need between 1.6 and 1.9. So, that range is pretty small, right? 1.6 to 1.9. That's not too big. But if you're a Gen X, inflation's 2%, you're going to need either 1.75 uh 1.75 million to retire or you're going to need 5.8 million. So, that gap gets much bigger. And then for millennials, it gets even bigger. Either you'll need between 2.4 or so you you'll need between 2.4 4 and 17 million to retire, depending on what inflation does. And then if you're Gen Z, you'll need between 3.3 million and 51 million to retire.
>> If you're Gen Alpha, you'll need you'll need between 4.5 million and $115 million to retire. And if you're Gen Beta, you'll need between 5.7 and $242 million to retire. So if let's say for example if you're saving for your kids let's say for example you're saving for your kids and they're Gen Z >> and you save $500 a month and you just leave it in cash. It's going to make absolutely no difference to them.
>> Yeah.
>> No difference. Your efforts are going to be worthless. They're going to be worth nothing because by the time they retire they're going to need $3.3 million. Your $500 per month is going to do absolutely nothing. So you need to invest it. If you don't invest it, you're you're putting you're wasting your own you're you're wasting your your potential.
>> Yep. That's what it is. You're w you're wasting your own time and energy because it's it's meaningless.
>> It's going to be rotted away.
>> Yeah.
>> And um you know I what that says to me is like you have to find something that's going to outperform that, right?
Because that's what that's what inflation is. It's it's deterioration 2% 4% 6% every year. That's what makes those numbers become that level. And so you need something that's going to combat that. You need to not only just keep up with it, but find something that's going to outperform inflation.
And to me, there's only one thing like that. There's only one thing that cannot be um debased or changed as we're seeing right now very easily anyways and uh as reliable and that's Bitcoin. So it's like that that's I think that that's the only hope that people are going to have is just to offset that inflation with something. And to me and I think Rajelle would agree is that it's it's Bitcoin.
It's it's literally the only thing.
>> Um I mean you might argue you might argue like real estate but that's not a guarantee. It's it's not the same as Bitcoin is in terms of like the economics of it, the math around it. Um there there's just too many factors with real estate. There's flooding, there's mayor politics changing, there's property tax eating away at it. Uh there's the >> psychological stress like that. I think that outweighs everything. Just having to think about your property all the time. Oh man, I don't want to do that.
>> Exactly.
>> How do you know your tenants aren't going to burn it down? Like you have no idea.
>> Exactly. And you know, we we've seen that in the last two weeks here. we had really bad flooding and uh you know Manitoba is like a spot where we have a lot of water here, a lot of water and so it's not like that uncommon for it to flood but like my brother works in insurance and he basically said that 5% of people had overland flood insurance and the rest of the people who had to gut their basement and throw out all their furniture and everything else, they're going to get nothing for it.
>> Wow.
They'll they'll get a sewer backup claim, which is like usually five or 10 thousand dollars maximum. And and some people lost tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars of stuff and they're going to get nothing for it.
>> That's horrible.
>> And it's it's just another reminder of like why Bitcoin.
>> It can't be destroyed.
>> Cannot be destroyed. Cannot be flooded out.
>> You can keep it in multiple locations.
keep multiple backups of it.
>> Yeah. And what we were talking about in the beginning, you can carry it around with you and nobody can stop you from doing that.
You can't take your real estate with you.
>> If your government wants your real estate, they can take it. Like they're going to kill you for it.
>> Yeah. And I mean, if you're if you're a guy like Donald Trump >> who has has consistently for the last four decades been calling out the government >> and if they want to take you out, they did it to him. They shut down his bank accounts. their their families had numerous banks close their accounts.
Nothing you can do about it.
>> Nothing you can do. Oh, there's also what Sin said there. The threat of insurance companies pulling out of your market. That's crazy.
>> Well, if it doesn't make economic sense for them to be there, why would they?
>> Yeah.
>> Right. Like if there's more claims than than uh deposits, I guess, or whatever it's called, what's the insurance >> premiums?
>> Premiums. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. If there's more claims than premiums, nobody's going to stick around. There doesn't make sense.
>> Yeah. Why would they? Yeah. Why would they?
>> It It's not a It's not a a right that we have as humans to have insurance. If If people don't think it's worth it to ensure, then they just leave. So, uh, what's Phil saying here?
Do an up and lift their house with balloons.
uh is what do you think about this comment, Rajette? I guess we got to go.
We got to go. It's just it's kind of shitty that we leave when uh we have the most people watching that we've had in the last hour and a half, but that's reality. So, what does this mean?
>> I mean, if you if you don't think that you're not early, if you think you're not early, then just don't buy. I don't I can't do anything about it.
>> I'm trying to see what kind of crypto that that uh is holding.
>> Probably Caspa.
>> Oh, yeah. I mean the level of the level of ego to say that Bitcoiners are not early at this point in the game um objectively based on adoption based on population based on where we are on the scurve then uh I think you need to check your own ego there a little bit.
>> Nobody knows what Bitcoin is. Like the only people that know are a very very small group and every single person on earth can use it. Every single person on earth can benefit from it.
>> It's a global asset. And that's the thing too is like gold, gold has nowhere to grow, man. Like everybody knows what gold is. Everybody understands gold.
Everybody understands real estate. Like these aren't new things.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh you might say, "Well, AI companies."
Yeah, but you you can make more shares. Technology is going to get better. The it's it's everything is going to be revalued by Bitcoin. So whenever you're trying to like say that you're too early to adopt Bitcoin, it's like is it too early to adopt electricity now?
or too late to adopt it, I should say.
>> Is it too late to start? Like, let's say, for example, if you're in your 50s, is it too late for you to start exercising? Is it too late for you to stop smoking? Is it too late for you to start taking care of your body and eating healthier? It's never too late to do something that's great. Is it too late for you to start using the internet?
>> Every day new people Every day new people get cell phones. Every day new people start using the internet for the first time. Is it too late for them? No, it's not.
And and with the internet, you can't really own it.
>> No, you you can own the the money protocol version of the internet. And as more people adopt it, as more people start using the internet, like what happened, same kind of scurve there, your purchasing power, your wealth grows forever because that's that's what measures that's what's going to measure things in the future. It is the unit of measurement. So it just this is just a very crypto argument and I can see I guess why >> because that's that's their main argument. They don't understand uh Austrian economics. They don't understand scarcity. They don't understand much about uh things. They just know that you can get a crypto for 5 cents without knowing what the supply is or what it can do and where it's going to. And you know >> she just said safe moon.
What a what a good way to end the show.
That was a perfect perfect way to end it.
>> Has a market capitalization of 780K.
Why are you talk? What? Bitcoin moves that much in like two seconds.
>> Let's get out of here.
>> All right.
>> I knew I knew it was a crypto guy.
>> You were right. Yeah. All right.
>> Okay.
>> See you guys at the happy hour >> since happy hour. Yes, we're heading there right now.
>> Share the link. share the link for the community first and then we'll go.
>> Yeah.
>> If you want to keep hanging out with the boys here, Rajat and I, for another hour, I got my Guinness poured. Uh you can stop by, you can ask any questions, you can raise any discussions if you want uh some insights on BIP 110. We actually did the last two weeks we had pretty in-depth conversations around BIP 110 in the happy hour, which you would have access to as a member. So, you can join for free uh for a week. We hope you stick around, but if you don't uh we understand. So anyways, join us over there, Reat. Let's hop over there.
Thanks everybody for uh another great Friday show and we'll uh we'll be back here next week. I don't think Forest is going to be here next week either. We're gonna have to start giving that guy [ __ ] >> Yeah, he hasn't been here for two months.
>> Okay, thanks Rad. Thanks everybody.
We'll talk to you soon.
>> Thanks J.
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