Intellectually Bankrupt Atheist Demands Evidence For God From A Muslim! Muhammed Ali

Added: 2026-05-11

[00:00:00]Hello. How are you? Can you hear me?

[00:00:02]>> I can. How are you >> doing? Well, >> can you hear me?

[00:00:06]>> Tired but doing well. Yes. Yes, I can hear you.

[00:00:08]>> So, are you driving? Truck driver?

[00:00:11]>> Yes, I Well, I'm parked now, but >> Yeah. Okay.

[00:00:16]>> I was listening a little while I was driving.

[00:00:19]>> Sure. Sure. Usually the connection seems >> My friend Muhammad said to >> Yeah, because when you're driving sometimes the internet is going up and down, so hopefully it's okay. But yeah, you're saying your friend said what?

[00:00:31]>> Uh to to to call in.

[00:00:34]>> Okay. Sure.

[00:00:35]>> To to talk to you to ask to ask questions.

[00:00:39]>> Sure.

[00:00:39]>> Uh I was uh why should someone believe? I'm a non-believer. Why should I believe?

[00:00:49]>> Oh, we're not asking anybody to believe.

[00:00:51]>> Yeah. Yeah. We're not asking anybody to believe. Well, you're asking for >> you're asking for non-believers to call in, why were you asking non-believers to call in?

[00:01:02]>> Yeah. So, what I say is if there is any non-Muslims that would like to talk, they're welcome to click on the link pinned in the comment section. So, you see the phrase is very, you know, I think it's very clear. So, if any non-Muslims have questions about Islam, so there's a difference between me being accessible because that's my obligation as a Muslim and me being a salesman. And I always tell the people it's very important for people to understand that there's a difference between being accessible to the people because if someone has a question right as you see those people who come on say oh I have a question I been trying to talk to you so they're looking for someone that answers their questions they're seekers so we need to be outlets for people now you have example salesmen like you know some religions with a microphone chat shouting and screaming in the middle of the streets right we don't do that teaches us it's only upon the messenger to deliver the message. That's it. So when you we we it's not upon us to convince anyone. So someone says why should I believe? We would say first the idea is not a question of believe. It's a question of truth.

[00:02:05]>> So is is there I don't know if or or are you Muslim or non-Muslim?

[00:02:11]>> Uh sorry I'm a you don't believe in God.

[00:02:14]>> Yeah. You're a >> I'm an atheist.

[00:02:16]>> Sure. Sure. So so it's a question of truth. So, so there's absolute truth.

[00:02:20]>> I'm seeking truth.

[00:02:22]>> Yeah. So, the absolute truth is either either there is a creator or there is no creator. There's no third option. It's impossible for you to have a third option.

[00:02:29]>> There's only two options.

[00:02:30]>> There is a god or there's no god. So now the question is this.

[00:02:35]This is a question that we'd ask someone who says ah oh I don't believe in a god.

[00:02:37]Okay you don't believe in a god. So if you don't believe in a god the question would be do you believe something can come from absolute nothingness?

[00:02:44]Can something come from nothing?

[00:02:47]that maybe I don't know.

[00:02:50]>> No, it's not maybe it's definitely no.

[00:02:52]So, if you have 0 plus 0 plus 0, what do you get?

[00:02:56]>> Well, well, you get zero. But >> I I think they have proved something can come from nothing.

[00:03:03]>> Okay.

[00:03:04]>> That's that's Well, I can't give you an example. I'm >> But you think they prove >> I'm not that smart.

[00:03:11]>> I didn't I didn't I didn't discover it.

[00:03:14]>> I'm not smart enough to discover it.

[00:03:16]>> No. No, I'm sorry. Like, it's like me coming saying to you with all the spectrum. It's like me.

[00:03:22]>> Wait, wait. It's like me coming.

[00:03:23]>> But you're you're taking it a step further than that. You You're You're >> No, no, wait, wait, wait. Ron, run. We don't want to jump the gun off. I want you just Let's take this step by step.

[00:03:32]>> Yeah. Yeah. Sure.

[00:03:33]>> Step by step, right? Okay. Before we jump because I know you're trying to jump into the end. No, we we're trying to take things a step by step. First, you can say you can't say a group of people proved something. I don't know who they are. I don't know what their evidence is is. I'm not smart enough.

[00:03:47]It's like me saying Islam has already been proven true. This is our conversation now. You come on. What should I believe? Islam has been proven true. Why? Oh, I'm not intelligent enough to answer you, but some people out there have proven Islam to be true.

[00:03:59]You're like, sorry. You're like, sorry.

[00:04:01]I'm not the one with >> I I don't have a show stating something comes from nothing.

[00:04:07]>> No, but you are claiming you are claiming that someone says something came from nothing. You're You are making an active claim. So just like I'm making you're making >> So maybe it's possible. I'm I'm not ruling it out.

[00:04:21]>> No, no. I'm asking you to give me an example if it's possible. Give me an example of something that comes from absolute nothing. Because you said that there is people who proved it. Proved what and who? Who are the people and what did they prove?

[00:04:32]>> Well, I I I I didn't come with that information, but >> it it's >> okay. So what did you mean that proof?

[00:04:40]>> No, it's possible.

[00:04:42]>> Okay. So you do you retract that some people have proven. Wait, do you just just to move on?

[00:04:49]>> No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm We don't This is why I said to you, I'm not here with all this.

[00:04:54]>> Maybe maybe it can't. I don't I don't know, >> bro. No, no. Please, I I'll let you speak. Try to let me speak as well because we want to we don't want to move on. But look, this is why I said to you from the beginning, >> I'm not here to convince you because if this is the type of argumentation you're coming with, then how can I convince you? If someone comes to me is like, you know what, there's a group of people who who >> I'm going to be like, I'm sorry, but I mean, I value my time. All the respect.

[00:05:18]If you're an ETC, you have nothing to present to people.

[00:05:21]>> I don't think I've been argumentative.

[00:05:22]>> Listen.

[00:05:24]>> No, no, I'm not saying you're argumentative. I'm saying you're not bringing a rational argument. So, >> I'm not bringing any argument. I I'm just asking >> exactly >> for your best evidence why I should believe.

[00:05:36]>> No, I'm sorry. Would you go to a baby in the kindergarten and speak to them for one hour or two hours? Would you do that?

[00:05:42]>> Would you have a discussion with them?

[00:05:44]>> Sure.

[00:05:44]>> No, you will say you Okay, that's exactly my point. Then I'll tell you I'll speak about myself. Why I wouldn't do it is because I know the baby have no rational faculties. He wouldn't be able to engage in a conversation with me. I wouldn't be learning anything. I'd be wasting my I'll be wasting my time.

[00:05:58]>> But the baby could be learning something. You don't think a baby can learn from you?

[00:06:03]>> A suckling baby cannot Yeah. He's not going to comprehend anything. If you're going to go to the kindergarten for little babies, kids, infants, you're not going to understand anything. You're going to be like, "Da d that's that's going to be the conversation." So, I'm not going to have a conversation with these infants because they don't have the rational capacity to do so. If you're unable to, this is the thing. If I ask you a question and you're unable to answer the question and then you you proceed to make a claim and then you not support your claims, then that you cannot have this is not a rational conversation. A rational conversation goes as following.

[00:06:34]>> You're the one making the claim.

[00:06:37]You're the one making of the claim >> that claim there's there's a god in >> Did I Did I say there's a god in my conversation with you?

[00:06:45]>> No, with my conversation stream in my entire stream from beginning to end.

[00:06:49]I've been live now for two hours 20 minutes. Have I ever said this statement? There is a god in my conversation.

[00:06:56]>> I I think it was implied.

[00:06:59]>> Okay. So So all you have is an implication. So you agree with me having said that especially my >> Are you denying it? Are you denying it?

[00:07:06]>> Yes, I'm denying the fact that I said there is a god like this and this way in our discussion. I didn't say that. So, what I'll tell you now when you have a conversation, you start now by building premises and foundations. I'm going to stick to my arguments. You came to me, you asked me the question.

[00:07:22]Why should I believe? I responded to you. I said, I don't need to convince you. This is what I started. You see, you know, I read like an open book, Ron, with all due respect because this is I knew you gonna come with this.

[00:07:31]>> I said to you the beginning, I said, look, I don't need to convince you wrong. If you want to have a rational conversation, this is the difference between a truth seeker.

[00:07:38]>> I think this is pretty rational.

[00:07:40]>> Yeah. Is the difference between a truth seeker and someone who's coming there who doesn't have anything. Okay. You think it's rational to come into a conversation, get asked a question but not answer it and then make claims without supporting them. How how is that a rational conversation exactly?

[00:08:02]You're twisting it around.

[00:08:04]>> I'm not twisting anything. I asked you the question.

[00:08:07]>> I asked you the question. I asked you the question. Who said >> this is a call-in show >> to ask questions? Finish. Ron, run. Ron, you said that I'm twisting things. So, I'm going to highlight how I'm not twisting things. I asked you a question.

[00:08:19]The question I asked you was you made a claim first. First, let's start with the idea. You made a claim like I said, which is that there are people who said something can come out of nothing. So, you made a claim. I asked substantiated.

[00:08:30]You refused. Wait, you refused to substantiate.

[00:08:32]>> I didn't say it was true.

[00:08:33]>> I I think they have proved something can come from nothing.

[00:08:37]>> You didn't say it was true, but you made a claim still. You said there are people. You said this possible because there are people who proved you. These are your words. Now you're saying you didn't say it was true. You see the hypocrisy, Rod. You literally said there are people who proved there is something that can prove me.

[00:08:53]>> Okay. Okay. Now you changed your wording. It's okay. You said there are people who proved. Can you let me >> This is what you want to talk about.

[00:09:00]Okay.

[00:09:01]>> Yeah. I want to talk about what you said. I want to talk about what you said. Yes. What you said is there is people There is people who proved. Prove proved imply proof. There's people who proved that there is something that can come out of nothing.

[00:09:14]>> So you made a I asked you to substantiate substantiate. Please let me finish.

[00:09:19]>> I didn't refuse. I just don't know who it was. I'm not I'm not >> Okay. Can I finish? I'm not going to I'm I'm I'm not going to >> Can I Can I finish without being interrupted >> and I will let you without interrupting you?

[00:09:32]>> Okay. Please don't interrupt me and I'll not interrupt you. It's a conversation.

[00:09:35]So, you made a claim, you did not substantiate it. So, I made I said two things about you. One, you come and you make claim without substantiating them.

[00:09:43]And I give an example here. You made a claim, you didn't substantiate it.

[00:09:46]Number two, I said I asked you questions which you don't answer. I asked you the question, who are these people? What did they say? Because if you say I heard people say something, then you at least have a name. You at least have a video.

[00:09:57]You at least have an art. You have something. I mean, you read something somewhere. So, you at least know what they said, who they were, what Okay, so if you don't have you don't have you can't answer questions and you don't have substantiation for the arguments that you make. Why do I need to talk?

[00:10:11]How can I have rational discussion?

[00:10:13]Okay, let's have a Okay, let me let me make it easy for you. There is a God drawn. There is a God drawn and there is undoubtable evidences for the existence of God.

[00:10:24]Okay.

[00:10:26]Why do you believe that?

[00:10:29]>> There's people who said that. There's people who prove that.

[00:10:36]>> Okay. So, why should I believe that?

[00:10:38]>> I didn't ask you to believe it. That's what I started the conversation with.

[00:10:41]You asked me about me, right? I I responded to you. You asked me. I said to you, there's people who pro prove there's a god.

[00:10:49]>> Okay.

[00:10:51]Huh?

[00:10:51]>> I'm not sure what this does for for Muslims.

[00:10:57]>> You see how you're unable to have a conversation with me when I apply your same same ideology to you? Come on. Like this is literally what you did and now you're you now you're speechless.

[00:11:06]>> I I didn't call in to talk about something from nothing.

[00:11:10]>> Uh well, you if you call then you have a conversation. You're not you don't dictate terms. I I told you what do you want to talk about? Actually, I let you speak. Then you said to me, "What do you want to convince me?" You had a conversation. And I said to you, okay, you want to have a conversation then? No worries. Let's have a conversation. I'm not here to convince you. You said, do you want to convin? I said, no, I'm not here to convince you. But then you then I asked you a question about you said about the existence of God. We started to talk about the existence of God. So I asked you a very Russian question. If I stop 100 people in the streets and I asked them, can something come from nothing? If not 100, 99% of them will say no. So if someone cannot apply common sense, then of course I cannot have a rational conversation with them.

[00:11:46]Common sense is that rationality is common between people. And if you don't believe me, go right now when you stop.

[00:11:51]If you're going to stop to, you know, go to the toilet or buy some drink or whatever, ask the guy in the shop, can something come from absolute nothing? Go do it. Try it, you know, and come back.

[00:12:00]The guy will be like, "No, can I have that's that's literally what magic is like, you know, you open your hat and you start having random things coming out of it. Gold and silver, you know, I'll just stay at home and I'll have gold and silver coming." And that's not even nothing because you already have a universe. I'm saying if there is nothing at all, no universe, no planets, no stars. So there is no nothing that exists and there's no agency and whatever. How can we have something that comes into existence if it's absolute nothing and I give you all right I'll I'll grant it to you just just to move >> I don't want you no no no no I I'm I'm good thank you for for being so uh generous and gracious with me but it's not about that it's about actually understanding comprehending and having rational discourse it's not about for the sake of argument you're going to say okay you know what I'm I'm going to grant you that >> yeah I I'll grant it to you something can't come from nothing Okay. Then where did the univer to move on?

[00:12:52]>> So the universe has to come from something then.

[00:12:55]>> Sure.

[00:12:57]>> Okay. So that thing that brought the universe into existence. It must have attributes that is way beyond what we can imagine. If you want to create a full universe of atoms that is full of energy, if you split, you have nuclear explosions full of zillions of galaxies and stars and intricate systems and electromagnetic waves whatever you have knowledge we cannot even comprehend.

[00:13:16]That's what people refer to as God. the most powerful, the all knowing these attributes that they give to the creator. You must >> wait. What did you just say?

[00:13:27]>> What were those attributes in order for you to create?

[00:13:30]>> Having power. When we say most powerful or uh the most knowing or whatever these attributes that we give are the what we mean is that have knowledge you can even comprehend. Have power we cannot even comprehend. So these attributes are the ones that we attribute to the creator.

[00:13:43]You cannot create a universe without these attributes. You got to be independent of the universe. You got to be the creator of time and space literally as we know it. Time space continuum is there. So you would know the future not bound by space the way we are. You're powerful knowing comprehend your knowledge.

[00:13:57]>> You added a creator.

[00:14:00]>> Yeah. A creator means to bring the universe to exist. Just said something can come from nothing. Something the universe comes from something. So we're saying if the universe comes from something then by default that's a creator of the universe.

[00:14:12]That's what creator means. You bring something into existence.

[00:14:18]May maybe something else brought it into existence.

[00:14:22]>> Yeah. Whatever that thing whatever the thing >> you're just putting that in there now.

[00:14:27]Now the burden proof is on you for the creator.

[00:14:30]>> Whatever the thing whatever the thing that brought the universe into existence is the creator.

[00:14:34]>> Maybe it was always here.

[00:14:36]>> Oh here always here.

[00:14:40]>> How do you know this?

[00:14:41]>> Know I'm answering. How do you know this?

[00:14:44]Okay, >> if you let me speak, I'm answering you.

[00:14:46]Okay, so we know this because we can have observe something called the expansion of the universe. We can observe things like the red shifting.

[00:14:52]Can observe the universe going back to space being a very small singularity that the consensus of science today talk about refer to as the big bang. We can observe the radiations left from the expansion of the big bang. All of these are evidences for the the start of the beginning of the universe which is why it's a consensus today in the uh cosmologist field. So yeah, that's why we can say, you see, I can give you answers. I'm not just going to make a claim, but I can give you answers. Yeah. So the universe has a starting point. Whatever brought the universe into existence is what we call God.

[00:15:26]The creator.

[00:15:29]>> Okay.

[00:15:31]>> There is a creator. There we go.

[00:15:32]>> So maybe on a bad day, >> you agree there's a creator.

[00:15:36]>> Uhhuh.

[00:15:37]>> I wouldn't call it a creator. I I wouldn't call it a creator but I could say >> okay did you just agree with me that the universe has to come from something that means that something would bring it to existence right >> no it might have been always here >> so the universe has to come from something then >> sure >> okay so so did I just give you reasons why the universe started you asked me how do you know and did I give you reasons from specialized people in the field who are mostly atheists actually most of them like yourselves they don't need to believe in a god But they will still tell you the truth is the evidence leads us to the fact that the universe has a starting point.

[00:16:16]Uh all it says is there was a big bang. The the the thing that banged was always there.

[00:16:29]>> What's the big bang?

[00:16:30]>> So they're they're not saying that there was a beginning >> or what or what it came from. What's the big bang?

[00:16:40]>> The the expansion the the sudden expansion of of matter.

[00:16:45]>> Yeah. Okay. So there was matter and space compressed into a singularity.

[00:16:48]>> Singularity is a very small thing. Okay.

[00:16:50]Where does the energy matter come from >> and how in science there's something called >> I'm answering you in science there's something called cause and effect.

[00:16:59]>> So that's an effect. So it requires a cause. So it's upon you now if you you're saying you don't know. You don't not knowing doesn't mean there's no answer. You know, if your if your cake is missing from your fridge, it doesn't mean I'm sure there's an answer. Nobody ate it.

[00:17:13]>> Yeah. Okay. So, I'm giving you the answer now. I'm telling you, >> the only thing that will have power to compress an entire universe into a singularity and expand it in the way the universe expanded is what we refer to as a creator.

[00:17:29]>> Okay?

[00:17:31]>> So, there is a creator. Like I was saying, on on a bad day, uh you might be able to get me to believe that, but you're you're taking it a step further.

[00:17:41]You're saying you know the mind of this creator, and I would say that needs a whole lot of evidence to say that's not a modest claim to say that you know the mind of a creator.

[00:17:56]>> You've been giving these people advice throughout the show. Yeah. You've been giving these people advice. This young lady, >> can you tell me where where I said I know the mind of the creator? When did I say that?

[00:18:11]>> You didn't use those words specifically, but you're telling people what they should do about marriage and kids and and this and that.

[00:18:18]>> Can you attract? Can you retract the second false claim you made in this discussion? Attributing something to me.

[00:18:23]I haven't said because we don't even attribute the word mind to the creator.

[00:18:26]I don't I wouldn't say that because we don't use that word. Are you saying you don't know what what God wants, the creator wants?

[00:18:35]>> No, I know what the creator told me.

[00:18:37]That's what I know. I know the creator revealed, but nobody knows everything that >> that's a that's a pretty big claim, wouldn't you say? Wouldn't you say that's a pretty big claim to make?

[00:18:48]>> Yeah. Yeah. It's it's a big claim. And if you'd like >> It's a big claim. And And a big claim would require big evidence, would it not?

[00:18:55]>> No. No. No. No. Before we go to the claim, >> no. A big claim does not require big evidence.

[00:19:01]>> Before we go to that claim, >> Before we go to the big claim, you've already everything >> before we go to the big what you're claiming is the big claim, you've already discarded everything I said to you and I said on a bad day, >> you said it was a big claim.

[00:19:17]>> So since you said on a on a after I've given you responded to after I actually given you evidence, I responded to you.

[00:19:24]You said on a bad day you may be able to convince me. you're clearly showing me I'm wasting my time because I'm not having a conversation but there was a creator able to reason because if you were able to reason you would be like okay yeah that makes sense actually you made an argument or you bring your response at least you' be like okay that makes sense so there is a creator I I agree and then we can move on to the big claim but if you are someone who can even comprehend like a common sense and accept basic rationality then I'm not going to go on and like spend my time giving you the the answers by by the way there there is a okay what's irrational in what I said >> a creator.

[00:20:03]>> Ah, okay. Cool. So, on my channel, there's a video titled Compelling Evidences for the truthfulness of Islam.

[00:20:09]It's nearly an hour long video. You're welcome to go sit down, have your headphones, you're driving, listen to it carefully, and you'll know your answer for the for the big claim. But I don't see the the the level of sincerity that requires me to sit down here and explain it a bit by bit with you. It's already late for me, so I'm going to end the stream here. So, I'm going to leave leave us where we are. We've already established the existence of God for anybody who's rational. And he say it's not rational the creator. And that was a great counterargument that you presented. I know the people can see that. So, we let people judge this conversation. All right, Ron, have a a nice rest of your day. And like I said, I read you like an open book from the beginning. I I know. Look, don't even let you speak. The minute you come and you're like, >> convince me. What do you have to prove?

[00:20:54]I don't need to convince you, man. Like you're living your life. I'm living.

[00:20:56]Look, I'm living a happy life.

[00:20:58]>> Many people are there's many people who are.

[00:21:00]>> You don't you don't have to convince anybody.

[00:21:02]>> Is the biggest but you have a show religion.

[00:21:05]>> Islam is the biggest growing religion in the world. And we're here.

[00:21:07]>> So your show must just be for >> and we're here open for people who are interested or willing to have a discussion. Most importantly, willing to actually listen, you know, like we don't talk over each other. I mean, I let you speak. I don't know. I'm not even trying to say a sentence. You're not letting me finish it, man. Like I've been very gracious with you. Yes, it's my show. I could have removed you from the start but I did continue the conversation with you just to highlight to the people the type of atheists that are there in the world. People who make claims with no proofs can't even answer basic common sense questions. You give them rational arguments. They're like I like if I when I get a little bit or a bad day you may be able to convince me you know but today is a nice sunny day so you're not going to be able to convince. These are the type of atheists out there guys. So there's nothing for you guys to be, you know, fooled by. No, there's no rationality. There's no real arguments.

[00:21:55]There's nothing really. So, u I thank you for presenting the atheist case to bring people closer to Islam more and