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Celebrating Our Culture Isn't An Insult. 'Black British' Is Not An Identity. Live Discussion Vol.8.4
Added:Aladdin, your ethnic background and where you're based. Aladdin Gener.
>> I just first want to say uh I just I'm just so glad to be on here. I've been watching for a while. Coley, I appreciate like all that you do and everything like that. My first live that I tuned into. Well, let me first answer the questions. So, my ethnic background, I'm black American and I'm Afro Puerto Rican. So, I'm black on both ends and I I'm not from Atlanta, but I live in Atlanta, Georgia. That's so I'm based out of Atlanta.
>> Um, [gasps] I got a lot to say.
>> Okay.
>> So, um, I know primarily like this was based off of like black British identity. Well, how black British identity is being used to erase Caribbean identity. Um, I have had quite a few encounters with people who were from Great Britain and more specifically people who were black. And I just want to give one particular I feel even though this is from outside perspective, but based off of my encounter subjectively, I've seen this one particular black guy. He was British and I recognized his accent as British or whatever. And I was like, "Oh, are you Caribbean descent?" And he took like offense to it. He was like, "I'm just British and why does it matter?" And he was just went this whole spill about it.
And I was like, it was like he was offended that I asked.
>> So he wasn't so he wasn't Caribbean.
There ain't a single Caribbean person, I don't care what anyone says. There is no one who's Caribbean heritage in Britain who will get upset if you ask them if they're Caribbean because it's too much of a flex to be Caribbean in the UK.
Just so you know, we we we are such a flex here. Like no one would be ashamed to say the Caribbean. So he wasn't Caribbean.
>> Did you find out what he was?
>> That's the thing. He just said, "I'm black and I'm from Britain." And that's why I was like, "African descent, you wouldn't say anything."
>> YOU SEE HOW THESE ARE PLAYING LIKE THEY KNOW OVER HERE THEY CAN'T DO THAT [ __ ] you know? Like here, no one does. You have to say what you are cuz that's normal conversation. THEY GO OUTSIDE AND START chatting [ __ ] to other people outside the UK. Mads.
Like, are you taking the biz? That weren't a Caribbean person. I promise you it wasn't.
>> I just wanted to That was such a mad story. I I got lost in it. Anyway, go ahead. I just want to say real quick, I never ever ever came across a Jamaican person, Caribbean person that didn't want to admit they were Caribbean. It was always West Africans that will deflect and make up stuff and say they're from the US with a strong accent, their strong features and would look me in my eye and lie.
Ju that's just passing through. How is it a flex to be to how is it flex to can't even write properly. How is it flex to being someone else country? You know what? I write that uh correctly like fix your grammar. Write it again and then I'll read it. Okay.
>> I want to know how the flex to be in somebody else's country not your own. I want to know. So you you actually tried it. You want to know how it's a flex to be in someone else's country, not your own. Even though no one said it was a flex to be in someone else's country, what we said the flex was was to actually be what we ethnically are. So being Caribbean here is a flex. I don't care what you say and how you feel. I know you're not Caribbean. That's why you're upset. It's fine. Um, but being Caribbean heritage in the UK is a flex.
And that's why no one would deny being Caribbean heritage in the UK, first and foremost. Secondly, um Caribbean heritage people, wind rush people, right? The West Indian people that came to the UK didn't come uh because they were fleeing or trying to escape a situation or anything like that. They were invited they were invited to the UK to help rebuild the economy right after World War II.
That's why there are posters and newspaper articles saying welcome home to the people that came from the West Indies to the UK during that time between the 1940s and the late 1960s.
That's why it says what it says. That's why people are here as Caribbean heritage people. Okay. So, um, this idea that it's it's a shame to be in in Britain is actually ironic coming from you, who I know isn't Caribbean. It's actually ironic. I think you need to speak to your people about that. And it and I'll leave it there.
Um, Aladdin, you can finish your point.
I'm sorry to cut you.
>> No, no. High key. I loved it because like like I said like what I was starting to say is like the reason that I asked if [clears throat] he was Caribbean because I'm proud to be Caribbean and a lot of times in America and not just only in America and I notic in different parts of the world a lot of times like we kind of get left out of the conversation because we come from a Spanish speaking country and I just always found that real weird in certain aspects but I was really just trying to like identify like hey you Caribbean da da da you know like I'm boriqua like I'm really proud to be boru and a lot of times people think that My pride of me being borqua is me basically like trying to deny my blackness. But for me, my blackness has never been I can't embrace being black without being Puerto Rican.
I can't embrace being Puerto Rican without being black. Those two things are never separate to like for me. And like another thing that I believe it was Champagne that I mentioned before about how like certain conversations when it like encountering different like West Africans, more specifically like Nigerians and things of that nature. I knew this was one particular guy. um he was uh a colleague of mine that I worked with and he was like doing music or whatever, but he was like literally jacking Jamaican dance hall X Y andZ and whole videos and XY andZ and even the way he was talking like I like me I'm like oh dude Jamaican no he was like congalles or something like that and I'm like what I don't know it was kind of weird to me but another thing and also like literally a couple days ago I was with another coworker his dad is from Nigeria, um, Ebo, and his mom is like black American, but he was real pan-African. And then we were having a conversation because like I have like a real Spanish first and last name or whatever. And for some idea, he couldn't wrap around his head the idea of me being like Latino. And he was like trying to like just ignorant. And he was just trying to like he was like, uh, he he going to say something along he was along the lines talking about like, "Oh, but you look like me." First off, I didn't look nothing like him. [laughter] >> Sorry. Go ahead. I got mad every time I hit a [ __ ] Sorry. Go ahead.
>> No high key. Like I don't even First off, we didn't look nothing alike. And then on top of that, he was like um basically trying to tell me the same thing like like a lot of you guys were saying before, like the Nigerians, and not to pick on them, but hike is a reoccurring theme like with Nigerians and Ganians that they have a habit of trying to like son us and little boy us and like basically say like you guys come from me or you African. And then he tried to tell me that I was colonized in my mind, saying that the white tea man has really did uh a good job basically saying that because I was so colonized in my mindset by me saying, >> "Oh, I'm not African. I'm black." And then I was even saying I was and I specifically said when he first told me that he was Nigerian, I was like, "Hey, my ancestors are Nigerian." So, it wasn't the fact that I was denying like because I know like in my Puerto Rican and Puerto Rican culture, a lot of our like from our music, the way that we speak Spanish to the way that we, you know, we love, we dance, everything, our whole culture, a lot of that is heavily West Africanbased down to like the music to the food, the plantins, the the the tambour, our drums, all of that. All of that and even down to our religion and different types of spirituality that we have. So, it's like them trying him trying to like impose and say that I have selfhate was like real weird to me.
And then I even broke it down to >> It's not enough. It's not enough. The thing is what you have to do is you have to remove the spice. That's the thing.
So, what you have to do is you have to remove the Did you say you're Puerto Rican?
>> Yes, I'm Puerto Rican.
>> Yes. You have to remove that bit like like you don't get it. You got to take that bit off. So, take like don't say that you're Puerto Rican.
Okay. like remove that part because that part is what's making it sticky and it like that's what's making it uncomfortable. So you have to say I'm [clears throat] thank you. You have to say I'm I'm just say that you're African or say you're Nigerian. Just say that.
Don't say you're Puerto Rican cuz that's when it gets a bit mad and it's like oh wait well like what you you do you think he's spicy? Do you think you're better?
You have to you can't say that. So, what you have to do going forward is just say say you're Nigerian specifically.
Um, and uh probably just try not to speak too much Spanish and you'll be fine.
>> No, high key. I understand that. And it's like but I was like like I like was trying to explain to him like after being so far removed after hundreds of years, we're a new different people just like a lot of you were saying earlier.
And I'm over here and like and I'm at work right now. So I'm like over here like trying to like Yes. Yes. I'm like trying not to get as active and get as loud.
>> Yeah.
>> But it's just like he a lot of people but it's like people want to see what they want to see. And then he tried to go into and then he also sp he spelled that same sort of type of narrative where he was basically saying like oh well I seen a lot of pan-African Caribbeans and X Y and Z. And I'm like, "Okay, well, I don't." He actually thought, and you guys were like, um, a lot of people, well, some people didn't know that a lot of Africans or certain like people from Africa or African descent didn't know that Jamaica isn't within Africa. What I tried to use as like a correlation. I was like, "Okay, outside of Africa, like the highest population of black people are in Brazil." And he was like, "Brazil isn't in Africa." I was like, "You dead ass right now, bro.
>> I swear to you. I swear to you." I'm like, "You dead ass right now." He was like, "No, I really didn't know that."
And keep in mind, only his dad is from Nigeria. Like, he was born and raised inside of Atlanta. Then he started telling me, "Oh, you got to go back." He was like, "Y'all just thinking they taught y'all to hate Africa. All y'all see is like the um the arms of the angel song playing and the little fat bellies and the flies and the poverty." I was like, "No, that's not the reason why I'm saying I'm not African, bro.
>> Like, I'm saying I'm not African because I'm not.
>> Just get the back." Like the thing, do you know how many times I've done these lives and I said I acknowledge African ancestry. Do you know how many times I've said that? Seriously, >> I acknowledge African ancestry.
>> Well, you though. AND I'M LIKE THOUGH WHAT? LIKE I'VE ACKNOWLEDGED IT.
I'm Caribbean heritage. I'm Jamaican heritage.
>> THAT'S WHAT I AM.
>> YEAH, BUT WOW. Your language is is from is FROM NIGERIA. YOUR MUSIC uh has Nigerian influences and and your culture, YOU DON'T HAVE ONE. [laughter] YOUR food is I'm like, you know, uh for for for for people that that go so hard in trying to tell me how non-existent my my ethnicity is and my culture is. It amazes me that so many love to participate in it so much.
>> Facts.
>> I can relate.
>> It's crazy to me.
>> It's something.
>> I was going to say that.
>> Yes, you can. Just a second. Let me It's your It's your fave this one cuz she was messing. It's cool. It's cool. I was going to say I think the reason again is low ethnic pride but it's also a factor of like for example Caribbeans are very viewed as like in a very well connotation like let's say that and then with black Americans also a positive connotation in the fact that they're very influential and then when you have Africans deployed in me I think it's like a lot of people have low racial self I don't have low racial self-esteem I'm proud to be who I am and I have Caribbean friends black American friends African friends so I've never once felt embarrassed but every time I noticed from African who feels embarrassed. It's usually because of the way Africa is seen globally, but even then instead of trying to like show the best parts of themselves, they it's like they're stuck in this mindset that it's like y'all are sad. Y'all are embarrassing and y'all are sad. Like there is no way that you have so much low racial self-esteem and instead of taking it to try and better yourself or show parts of your culture that you're proud of, you go ahead and you harass other people who >> It is harassment. That's a key word. I actually I'm glad you you use that word because that's a perfect depiction of >> it's harassment like >> harassment.
>> And I'm going to be for real like whenever some Okay, I understand some Africans were bullied for being African, but I'm like I never went through that.
So every time somebody talks about that I'm like [ __ ] when cuz I never did. I never did. Maybe maybe it's my I'm not [clears throat] trying to lack empathy cuz I feel bad but like at the end of the day it's like not not every single one of us had to be have been bullied.
And if you were, you shouldn't go ahead and use that to justify hate to other ethnic groups >> because at the end of the day, it's like, okay, yes, I understand there's a lot of bad media or like actually there there are barely any media of people from my country that is like global, but like I still don't feel embarrassed about who I am. I think it's like this lack of wanting people to branch out.
Like you can't tell somebody who's 500 years removed that they're this ethnic group when you're not. Like especially when with Africans it's like for example my friends are from two different two different tribes. Like I like I obviously look like them. I'm not going to tell somebody who does not look like me. Like oh you're from me, you army.
When we're not. We have two different >> thing. It's your flavor. I'm uh it's your favorite. Sorry. Um, the thing is with that, sometimes when when people are doing this weirdness, it's not even from a place of the person that they're doing it to disrespecting them or or making them feel less than. Because I when I was around, especially when I moved to London and I was exposed to people of West African backgrounds for the first time, right, like heavily, I it was interesting to me. There was never a point where I was like no it was it was interesting. There was so many different people in Birmingham. We were for the most part we were all of different West Indian backgrounds. So that was what I was used to moving to London. It was different right and it was fine. People invited me to this event and to this family event and to and to to this church and just different things of their their cultural backgrounds. Right. My thing is, yeah, even if I showed respect to it and I said, "Oh, no, this is interesting. No, I like that element of things and this and the was never enough." I had a dude say to me, I looked back on it and it it just it just genuinely freaked me out cuz he just looked at me one time now, just straight face. He looked at me and he said, "I'm going to make you Nigerian one day."
I said, "No, you're not." He said, "No, I am. I'm not going to make you Nigerian. You will be Nigerian. I said, "Listen, I'm I'm Jamaican heritage. You can't make me Nigerian. I am Caribbean.
I like what I am. You're not making me anything." "No, no, you wait. I'm going to make you Nigerian." And I was just like, "Why are you trying to make me anything? You can't make me something.
You can't. I am what I am, but you're so adamant. You want to force an identity on me. Why?
Why?
It's not natural behavior. And when you like what you are, you don't do that.
You don't force yourself on people when you like yourself. You want to protect what you are. When you like yourself, you want to you want to shield it off from people that are trying to blend in.
You don't want people to be able to do that when you like yourself.
It's cheap. It cheapens your culture to do stuff like that. It cheapens your ethnic group to do things like that to just tell everyone especially when you're in an argument with someone.
Imagine being in an argument with someone. So you're congalles, right? So as a congalles person, right? If you're in an argument with someone, would it ever occur to you if you were in a disagreement with someone who let's say you cared about them acknowledging having African ancestry, right? Would it occur to you to use your ethnic group and your identity to humble that person?
>> No. You're cong. You're this. You're that. You're just like me. IN FACT, YOU'RE focus on me. EVERYTHING YOU ARE IS ME. WOULD IT EVEN OCCUR to you to do something like that?
>> No.
No. I find it very repulsing when people do that. I think I understand what you mean.
>> My I think it's not. It's kind of silly, but not really. It's like again I told about talked about how East Africans have this phenotype. West Africans have that. I've experienced something similar and the fact that people think that you know okay West Africans East Africans look different. Obviously, Central Africa is just there like and looking African like when people say that and like they say, "Oh, you look West African or or you look like this." When they guess what it not it doesn't grind my gears, but it's like there's more places, you know? And it's like just because Central Africa is also I guess looks more phenotypically black like what you're used to does not mean that you just call people that and then expect them to not feel away about it. I remember I told a girl like, "Hey, that's cool and all, but you you can just call me Central African." And they're like, "Well, African is African." Well, yes, but no. Like, let's not disrespect people's boundaries.
Like, if I say I want to be called or referred to from where I'm from or if I want to say that, you don't slap a label on me and then think that that's cool.
It's not cool. And it's also like really weird in a way because even west, some West Africans, they make it kind of clear like they're the giants of Africa, which okay, cool, whatever. Like, nobody cares. Like, y'all are cool. But like >> you don't have to go ahead and be like, "Oh, we're going to humble you cuz your country is not known. We're going to humble you because you guys are like some so much Africans make a point like you know the term bantto." I hate that because it's not an ethnic group. It's a linguistic group and even then it was usually used by Europeans and it's like they'll make a point to be like oh well we don't look like y'all. And I remember there was a whole entire trend where like people dragged congalles people and central Africans saying, "Oh, well, like I remember this one girl was like, "Oh, I don't look I [clears throat] don't look Nigerian. Some people say I do."
And like the whole entire comment section was disgusting. They're like, "Oh, well, of course you don't look like this. Y'all have big noses. Y'all have this. Y'all are bantto." Like, [ __ ] what the [ __ ] And then in the same And then they'll say, "This is among actual African people."
>> Well, yes. It's like we're not a Central Africa is not a known region. Y'all know South Africa like mostly for a piano.
Y'all know East Africans and then y'all have West [clears throat] Africans.
Central a Central Africa is is just >> South doesn't get noticed that much. I mean I I know and knew Congalles people.
That's why I kind of knew about it. But yeah, generally speaking, it isn't really like talked about to be fair.
Yeah, it's true.
>> Yeah. Like our phenotype is always dragged through the mud as being like this weird thing. And it's like with bigger African countries, specifically west, always acting like not everything is an attack against you. Somebody making criticism is not an attack against you. But it doesn't mean you go ahead and you [ __ ] an entire region. You try and act like, "Oh, we should be grateful that we're considered second West Africa or second other region."
It's it's so like and explaining to people like they don't understand what I mean. Like >> what do people say about the central African phenotype?
>> They say we're like okay bantto when you know when Somali say or bantto they use it to other themselves and central Africa is mostly bantto. So we have we don't it's not a it's not an ethnic group. We don't have one. Look we have a phenotype. Where did that guy come through saying he was bananu? Then okay, that's helpful to know.
>> Yeah. So anytime somebody says they're bananas saying he's I'm first he said I'm African. I was like well what does that mean? Cuz who introduces themsel that way? He says well I'm I'm from the the colonial term Uganda. I was like why are you saying colonial term? Like are you are you Ugandan? And he was like I'm banned too. And I was like okay. So I thought it was a I can't lie.
We were going around in circles to get to his ethnicity. I just thought it was an ethnic group. Someone says bantto. I didn't know it was in reference to what did you say? Like uh linguistic group.
>> A linguistic group.
>> I was thinking about the bant. You know the bantos.
>> Oh yeah, I know the bant. I for like banto means basically you have like we have this one group of people that kind of move like there's the southern southern Africa is bantto. Central Africa is bantto and only small parts of east Africa are bantto.
Look, we're not an ethnic group, but like we're a linguistic group. We share like common black languages, but it's like >> how was my northern showing yet if she just said you thought it was an ethnic group, too?
>> Well, because I my friend is vanto and she said it is an ethnic group.
>> Oh, it's not because if you talk to older people group it was a linguistic group. That's what I was confused about >> because she was I started with the hairstyle.
>> My friend said to me that because they didn't originally all stay in one place like they all went different places. So they >> yeah is a language though. It's not like a some people say like it's a tribe but it's not a tribe because if it was like there's there's not like one big gigantic tribe where every like three different regions of Africa are from.
It's just more so like some people would just say like oh I'm Benu [clears throat] and you're like oh okay you're probably central or southern African but it's not a tribe like we're not a tribe like if we were a tribe >> we we share like >> group thing. Yeah, pretty much.
>> Oh, of 400 distinct African ethnic groups such as Zulu, Shaa, and Kiku spread across Middle Eastern and southern Africa numbering 400 million people.
>> So, it's lingui it's an ethnol linguistic group. Yeah.
>> Do two people share a phenotype then or or not? Cuz it says with over 400 distinct African ethnic groups.
Is it linguistic?
>> It is ethnic linguistic but it's not like we all look like we share a look like they're different regions.
>> If it's 400 ethnic groups >> yeah exactly what I mean and people like when when if you hear somebody who's horner East African say bantto they don't mean it in a positive way. It's the same way you hear somebody say jer it is not [clears throat] in a positive way. It's because it's like to other them because of the look that they have.
Like I've been called a fat pignose >> bantto bantto. What's that then? It's not a bad thing, but it's like it's not a bad thing because it is an ethnolistic group, but it's like you don't really hear that as much. Like usually you see hear people say their country or their tribe and some people say bantto. I know some relatives I have say bantto but that's more so in in like again ethninguistic group that's reference to that.
>> Huh. Interesting.
H I've learned something new. Thank you.
Yeah. I'm going to have to look more into that. But like I said, it's like the same way that you don't want to be called African, you acknowledge you have African roots or you have similarities, you're not the one label. And as much as I am African, um, okay, first of all, [ __ ] Kadane, I don't you're not going to tell me what I have and have not been through. I'm not you're not going to tell me the derogatory things that I've been called because I am a central African. So, let's not do that because let's not act like Somali. I literally have Somali friends who tell me about things that they have said about other non other noner Africans. Um, what tribes are?
Well, my country there's a bunch of tribes. We have Baluba, we have Hikonga, we have we have a we have the Kongo like we have a bunch of tribes.
>> Congo is huge. So that's like a crazy question.
>> Yeah. And then not even that, my family, my mom's has she's part Angolan too. And then my dad has he's part Zambian too.
So it's like we're mostly congalles but my dad refuses to acknowledge anything else other than congalles cuz he does not have well with family ties.
>> Are you DRC or are you Congo?
>> I'm mostly DRC but my mom has relatives in the other Congo. I >> see. So how does that work out?
>> It's [clears throat] more so like Okay.
If you hear somebody say Congo, they're like are you talking about the big one or the little one? Because >> I always think DRC.
>> Yeah, everybody does. And then like if you see someone from the republic, they're like, "Oh, well, we're the we're Congo. We were one country at some point." So it's like, "We're both Congo.
Like we're twins. It's okay. It's okay.
You're not going to die because somebody said the big Congo."
>> So you making me laugh.
>> Okay. Ask. I don't know why you're getting pressed.
>> Hold on. Jie, just to say thank you, Judy. I've been seeing you yet for ages now in in the chat. I swear down. You keep making me laugh like heavy. I keep trying my best not to laugh with some of the stuff I keep seeing you say.
I just had to let her know you. You're mashing me up, Jie. No. Heavy though.
Like [laughter] I said, like each time I see you say something, I'm like like that.
Okay. Um, let me let me Oh. Oh, Aladdin, did you finish your point?
>> No, I had a a slew of things, but I just wanted everybody to get >> No, I I appreciate everyone, you know, chiming chiming in and like, you know, cuz we have to have these conversations.
>> Hold on. Hold on before you continue, Aladdin. Uh, guys, send me nice things.
I like nice things. I haven't asked and I forgot to, so I'm going to ask. Uh, I like roses. I like flowers. I like bunnies. I like galaxies. Um, giraffes are cute, too. I like all things pretty.
I love donuts for when I'm hungry, cuz we know I'm not going to eat. So, thank you. Thank you, Chelsea. I like nice things. So, make the screen look pretty and send things through cuz it's always nice to feel like what I'm doing is being reciprocated.
Thank you, Jie. Thank you. So, send me love. I appreciate love when I get it. I do. But send it through cuz I can't with a dry screen. Like, what's that? Thank you, Aladdin. I can't with a dry screen.
I need the screen to be doing things. It looks nice. Thank you, Milton.
I appreciate it. See, I love reciprocated.
Thank you. Just send me nice things.
Send me nice things. [clears throat] Send me pretty things.
Send me pretty things. Okay.
Right. Uh, Aladdin, you can continue.
>> All right. Cool. So, I haven't I mean, I haven't seen a lot of like Latino like black Latinos on here. And I've been here since that dude kept saying cattle slavery. I was like, "Oh my god, if this man say cattle slavery one more time."
[laughter] >> Yes. That was the first live I joined.
>> So I wanted to speak a little bit to that.
>> Yeah. So like similar to how like >> Jama could hear you now.
>> What about Okay, cool. But similar to how like Jamaicans are cosplayed, that is exactly how like to that a good extent how people are cosplaying Puerto Ricans in the US. I remember like growing up it will always be people they always be like oh they'll be like biracial black and white and then they'll be like oh I'm black white and Puerto Rican or I'm half Puerto Rican and it's like yeah all right and then oh and it's always like my grandmother the great-g grandandmother and I just always found it mad weird like that was one thing that was real weird to me and so then like someone like me who actually has Puerto Rican grandparents you know what I mean it's like it was just like real crazy to me and then like Then they be like, "Oh, well you don't look Puerto Rican." And it's like, "What are you talking about? My people recognize me."
Exactly. I'm like, "Am I supposed to look like JLo? Am I supposed to look like Antonio Banderas?" I was like, "But look at La Anthony."
>> People say that all the time because my mom is half Cuban. And like people I'll be like, "Yeah, my granddad is Cuban."
And they'll be like, "Well, you don't lick here." Then I'm like, "What the [ __ ] is that supposed to look like?"
>> Exactly.
>> You know, it's actually funny cuz I was watching um there's this guy that does travel content. He went to Colombia and obviously uh a lot of the people that he was running into were like literally like white Colombians or at the the very they literally were like tanned white people. I'm not exaggerating. Or like maybe some of them have a bit of indigenous, but there were there were for the most part they were European presenting, right? And [clears throat] he didn't he's he's from um Guinea. He's from a part of West Africa, right? And he's there and he he was speaking Spanish and all the rest of it. And then he'd meet someone who was like who was very brown. And then he'd be like, "Oh, you don't look like you're from here.
you look like you're from my country or you look like you're African. Like you say this weird [ __ ] to them. And then they went to a festival and at the festival they were celebrating like you know their roots and stuff and all you saw was these beautiful like AfroColian women and like AfroColian art and like Afro Colombian stuff, right? Literally everything there was just racially black. It really was. And I was like, "Yeah, it's so funny cuz it was celebrating their indigenous roots and their afro roots." And you see that they're being celebrated and you could still look at people that share that color and say, "You don't look like you're from here, >> but look at people who who have European roots and not say that to them."
>> It's literally this weird form of of supremacy is. And it's it's internalized. It's either that or it's used to humble because to be honest he did that everywhere we went. He did it in Brazil as well. So maybe there's just something to it. Brazil weird.
>> And yeah and high key and the this guy in the comments Jesus talking about Puerto Ricans back in the day now as Dominicans took over. You could have kept that cuz if we really being we all know that music is the most influential and the biggest artist in the world right now arguably is Bad Bunny a Puerto Rican. So that gets debunked. But my point is is like besides all of that, it's like also it's like the colorism like you mentioned. It's the colorism aspect because it's like and I literally said it to old dude, the half Nigerian, half black American dude. I literally said to him when I told him he was like, "Oh, it was like it's always like because of my color." Like I mean my hair is really curly, but like now I'm like shaved like low.
>> Don't mention that. Don't trust me. You don't want that.
>> I wasn't I wasn't I was using it like basically I wasn't coming from that. I'm not like a texturist or nothing like that, but I was just using I'm I'm >> so you follow me. You follow me.
>> No, it's okay. It's the Brit. It's the British [ __ ] I'm I'm actually being >> you like don't get me started like you relate to what I'm talking if you've been here from the beginning.
You would have seen the stuff that people say to me about hair. Oh, you've got a Jericho or you've got this. And I'm like, okay. So, if it's a Jericho then to you and it's so unnatural to you to see this, how then are you telling me I'm you? You're not even used to seeing it. Apparently, apparently, according to you, it's fake, which means you're not used to it. I'm used to seeing all types of different hair textures among Caribbean heritage people. It's normal.
>> Yeah, >> it's normal. Some have curly hair, some have very loosely curly hair, some have like really coily hair, some have wavy.
It's It's normal. It's not alien.
>> I mean, they're used to >> Justin Sky. They're used to seeing those.
>> Yeah, she's Jamaican. She's so beautiful.
>> She's Jamaican. Yeah, >> they're used to seeing those bad wigs, you know? They're used to seeing those horrible wigs.
>> WEARING A WIG OUT OUR HAIR IS >> You know how they wear those bad wigs? I noticed they always wear those bad wigs and then they're like trying to like look at our hair >> and they just throw them on top of their head.
>> I pointed out the color.
>> It shouldn't be a conver this. My point is this. It shouldn't even be a conversation if everyone everyone at least you shouldn't be a conversation.
Shouldn't be weird to see. It shouldn't be alien.
>> We close a question.
>> Should be a talking point. It should just be normal.
>> We can close a question quickly.
>> Uh just a sec. Let me let um Aladdin finish cuz he's I keep cutting in.
Sorry, Aladdin. You keep saying things.
>> That's just my screen name. But yeah.
But no, like the thing is like I use like I pointed out and I get this a lot.
I feel like a I know it for a fact because I spoke to when many people like within my community, not just bodas but people of the diaspora.
We're always getting the sort of type of litness test when one way or another they found out that we're Latino.
automatically, oh, you're half or which or is your mom the one that's you know Latin or it's the whole like the litness test like oh and I always point out so would you like oh I speak Spanish but it was like why you asking me if I speak Spanish but I'll be like yeah or they be asking I'll be like oh do you really speak Spanish? Would you be asking me that if I look if I look like a stereotypical Mexican? Would you ask me those questions or keep grilling me after I told you >> what does mean do you do you really speak Spanish?
Exactly. Exactly.
Like like that's what I'm saying because like that's that's the crazy part. It's the anti-blackness and it's the colorism aspect of it >> as hell. And then and then like but they was like oh well I get what you were trying to saying. Other people was talking. Oh no I wasn't just saying that. No yes you are. Because you wouldn't go to someone who looks as you would readily identify look stereotypical Mexican or who has an more of an indigenous phenotype. You wouldn't go up to them and after they tell you or come across them and you and they find out one way or another that they're Latino, >> they go to a white they wouldn't a white Caribbean person and say anything. They don't say anything to white white Caribbean people either. I've seen it.
They don't. So someone who presents literally just looks European.
Like literally they won't say anything.
Don't say anything to them. It's actually weird. Won't say anything to them. It's crazy. But it really shows their lack of education on the Caribbean because they would be shocked to find out some of us speak Dutch.
>> That we're the most racially diverse platically diverse place in the world. Just facts.
The Caribbean talking about >> it's not true. Maybe you should do your research, bro.
>> Do your research on Africa. Bro, have you not seen that diversity?
>> Research on Africa.
>> Look at West Africa. Central Africa.
>> Outside of Africa.
>> You said the most diverse in a continent. Do not say that.
Okay. I missed that. Are you proud? You would you like a cookie? I just I just Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I want to go and order. Hold on. Aladdin, did you finish your >> You should do your >> I'mma serve it a fufu, y'all.
>> Matter of fact, I'm going to do I'm I'mma finish for right now. Is that okay? And then come back to it cuz I'm You want some a goosey?
>> You said that >> a goosey.
>> I'm not from Africa. Where you think I'm from? That's the >> goosey. They eat that. You know, >> I don't my my my country, we don't eat that.
>> Hold on. [laughter] Let me go in order. Wait. Okay, stick around. I might want to [ __ ] I'm coming up.
>> Hold on, K. I'll come to you in a bit. I need to go in order. Skate the sniper.
Your ethnic background and where you're based, please.
>> Um, Jamaican. I live in America.
Houston, Texas to be exact.
>> Okay, go ahead.
Well, as you know, I can't answer that first question cuz I'm not British.
Thought you before.
>> Would I say I'm Panaffricanist? Um, I would say yes in the original definition, not this new definition where you erase your entire identity. I don't know what that is. But >> what I would say is >> I can see that.
>> I did hear the GY guy and I was going to say if anyone actually does go to Guyana, he wasn't lying. People in Guyana do tell you exactly what they are, especially the Indians.
>> So that was my main >> Oh, >> they'll tell you the G, but they're going to sit there and say like, "Yeah, I'm full Indian." Like, they'll be half Indian. Like, yeah, I'm full Indian.
Like, it's a thing they do in Guyana.
>> Are they referring to the the like race?
Like, what is it? I >> I don't know. It's like it's been a thing in Guyana for years. Like if you want to talk about caraccom politics, they're going to tell you Indian from Guyana is coming. And the reason why is cuz they will tell you they're Indian.
Like it's a thing.
>> Interesting.
Interesting. I need to We need Vincent to come through at some point. His guy needs Wait, no, he's not. Oh, sorry. I got the conscious mixed up. My bad.
Okay. I think in Surinam it is similar cuz they have a lot of Indian people in Surinam as well.
>> Mhm.
>> But as far as I know in Bana they really do hold on to their their Indian um identity like even their weddings are very much Indian.
>> Exactly.
>> Interesting. [clears throat] Interesting. Okay. Uh skate stick around. Uh let me Oh, hold on. Wait. Did you finish your point? Cuz you said you weren't you said you are pan-Africanist but not in the way it is now, not in the current sense.
So what did you mean by that? You you mentioned a race of identity.
>> Yeah. So to me when I hear panafricanist I learned it as black people working together for a common goal. There was never a sense of we all have to be I don't know Guadalupin Nigerian whatever we are going to pick next week next year that this is the strongest black community XYZ. I've never experienced that. Even when I hear people say that I feel like I live in a cocoon cuz I don't experience this dayto-day.
There's a lot of people telling me and I'm sitting there like well I don't know if it's the black people I'm around just seem to get along but I don't have these experiences.
>> Mhm.
Mhm.
Interesting.
Okay, stick around. I feel like I'm going to have a question for you at some point. It's just not with me yet. Please stick around for a bit. Um, okay. Almost viral. Your ethnic background and where you're based, please.
>> Um, I'm from Yeah, my ethnic background is Ghanaian and I'm in London.
>> Okay, cool. Go ahead.
>> Yeah. So, um, yeah, I've been listening to this chat for a while and, um, do you know what it is?
I feel like there's a bit of a misunderstanding like in terms of communication. Like, >> for instance, like if someone tells you that you you look like me, I feel like my my response is to that is like they're trying to build a connection with you. Not not trying to die not trying to dye down who you are or where you're from. Clearly like if if you're like if you're lighter in complexion and I'm dark skin and I and I'm saying to you you look like me. Obviously I'm not I'm not telling you about I'm not like in terms of complexion. I'm not trying to say that we're the same or something, but I'm just trying to build a connection with you that we have a common whatever a common ancestor, what whatever it is, but I don't know why it's taking like it seems like you're taking as as if someone's trying to dye down who you are or where you're from.
>> Why do you feel you need to do that?
>> I have a hold on hold on one sec. Almost viral, I have a question for you. If if um if someone says for example, ah you know you know you look just like white people. You know you look just like you look just Nigerian. You look Gunning. You look you look you look African. Haha. Crying face emoji. Cry face emoji. Cry face emoji. You're delusional. What does that mean?
Like what? How? How is that?
>> Okay. What? What? What's that in response to? So, are you saying what people do on your live?
>> Oh, yeah. I've had people do that.
>> Yeah, but you but you're here I've seen your lives. You're here dissing. So, they're they're probably >> Let's talk about that.
>> Yeah, but yeah, but that's a Yeah, but come on. That's reactional. That's reactional.
>> Listen, tell me who I've dissed, how I dissed them.
>> Not this, but you know, [ __ ] You know what I mean? You know, I don't know.
>> You know what I mean? I don't play about language. You know what I'm saying about language?
>> But it's very it's very reaction.
>> Tell me who I dissed.
>> Is so what? You haven't you haven't dissed like like Africans.
>> Tell me. Just tell me >> like when it's like like >> so like like I don't know what what her name is. What's What's her name?
Champagne Kissex. She was just talking.
>> She was just talking about Hold on.
Champagne. It's okay. Chill.
>> Exactly. Yeah.
>> You said you you're talking about me.
Tell me what I did and what I said.
>> I can't remember. But I I >> You can't remember.
>> I can't remember. But I know it's very It's going to be reactional. It's going to be reactional. You know, it's reactional to something that you said.
>> Of course. THIS IS THE ARGUMENT I always hear, Cody. Anything they say, it's because because someone did something. I had an older Ghanaian dude say this something similar. Yeah, of course. It's it's going to be reactional. THE POST THAT I'M posting with people saying why why why did Jamaican people and Caribbean people uh why is it normal to have like multiple baby fathers and multiple baby mothers. Yeah, that was reactional to um you guys you all you're speaking is pigeon BRO. I TALK ABOUT Jamaican just pigeon pigeon. THAT WAS REACTIONAL TOO. YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE A CULTURE. WHAT CULTURE? That was reactional too. I suppose >> who said >> you guys don't have a lang it's >> gaslighting I suppose >> Caribbean men are unhygienic that's that's just reactional to I suppose >> who says Caribbean men are >> who so now it's who said it >> let me say let me say >> gaslighting I want to do >> why is everyone why is everyone getting involved >> I want to tell me when I can speak though >> okay no one second >> I can repeat what I said hold on what you've concern is you've come through and you've accused me of dissing Africans. That's what you said. You said I'm dissing them. I've said how you can't tell me. What you wanted to do was talk about what champagne on the panel said. I said what did I say? You said I can't say.
>> Listen listen >> cuz you can't remember. Look >> if I You should remember what I did to Dick.
>> Listen. I got better things. I got better things to do, man.
>> Oh, bro. Shut up, man.
>> Just watch that, man.
>> Man, just mute yourself, bro. Exactly.
You always talking, >> bro. Mute yourself.
>> How you doing? How you going to mute yourself?
>> I'm right here. What's up?
>> What's up? I'm right here.
>> Yeah, but you know, you already know what they're going to do.
>> I'm right here. Talk to me. Talk to me.
>> Yeah, just watch that, man.
>> I know what they're going to do. But the thing the thing is nonsense when they do cuz they prove my point. This is >> They won't to me though. They won't talk to me. I'm right here.
>> It's all right AT CHAMPAGNE. DON'T WORRY. I'M GOING TO LET HIM speak to you in a second.
>> So, where's Champagne? Well, >> because he gives [laughter] me a dissing. I want to know what I said to this. Tell me what I did. Who did I diss?
>> Look, what I'm trying to say is I've been on your >> Bro, you're a grown man. Just >> Bro, are you going to mute? Are you going to mute? Are you going to mute him?
>> Answer the question, bro. You're wasting everyone. Are you going to mute him? Are you going to mute?
>> Hurry up. Hurry up, bro.
Say who I dissed. I'm waiting for an example of who I dissed and when I did it.
>> Who did I dissed?
>> Hurry up, bro.
>> Come on.
>> Shut your mouth.
[laughter] >> Hey, this is this guy. But anyway, listen. Listen. Okay.
>> No. Um, if you can't give me an example, I don't I don't tolerate people lying on me. No, but the thing is dry. You could have just said what I did and you can't cuz you're lying.
>> Why can't I speak?
>> You're lying. Oh my gosh. Go ahead, Naris. Real quick before I bring in the next person.
>> Yeah. No, Coley. You know what I'm going to say, man. Stop these. Look, they're not serious, man. Yeah. They'll waste the amount of time that they'll waste.
Yeah. To find some BS. Yeah. Cuz what it is is they they know that if you if they actually give you an example, a quote, and whatnot. Yeah. that realistically if you actually analyze and dissect it, it's not going to be the way that they try and pay it out to be. That's all it is. It's just, oh well, you said this some and it'll be something and you ask them what it is, they can't tell you.
Yeah, it's just a narrative. You're just trying to run a narrative.
>> It's trying to run a narrative in it.
That's all it is. It's just it's just you're saying something. Wait, wait, hold on.
>> Wait, wait, hold on. My my name is >> Wait, hold on, man. My Caribbean man is calling me.
>> My Caribbean man is calling me. Good night.
>> Good night. Cool. So So Coley, all it is is realistically they don't actually have anything to actually go against what you're saying in it. So the the only thing that they can do is do it do a do a do a hit piece. I'm trying to say which is to give like vague accusations of anti-Africanness and whatnot. and oh well you sound like you're disting Africans or whatnot. You know, when you ask them for examples, as you as you've seen, they play they play these little games. Remember, a lot of these, they're very ed remember, they're very intelligent. They're very educated.
Yeah. So, when you ask them for a basic example, don't don't listen. And they can't give it to you. That means Yeah.
that they're intentionally taking a piss. Yeah. They know what they're doing. Yeah. They play these little games and what? Yeah. It's boring. Like, I I can't I I don't have patience for anymore. I'll be real. Like, it's consistent thing. Obviously, I've been in your life for time. They always do it. You can even see, you can tell just finishing up and they come up that they start doing all this BS. I beg you, especially the men, if she asks you a direct question, answer it. Like, it's weird. Like, got grown men and they're struggling to answer like little girls.
Like, it's weird, bro. Just answer basic question.
>> Yeah. Go on.
>> All right. So, so when when that thing can your ethnic background and where you're based? I'm from Sagal.
I'm Sagal. That's that's where I am. So when that what's her name?
>> Where are you based?
>> London.
>> Okay, cool. Go ahead.
>> So when that what's her name? That champagne girl said go eat goosey. Like you find okay like what you trying to say? Like you just sitting there smirking. Yeah. Sitting there smirking.
>> Are you all right? I said when that champagne go. Are you all right? Listen.
What does that have to do with though? I don't understand. So just Okay, cool.
>> Yeah. Okay. So, here's the thing. Here's the thing.
>> People come on here all the time and diss the hell out of each other all the time, right? I let people diss and I let people respond. I always make sure there's someone up here to respond if they feel disrespected. The end.
>> All right. That's fine. Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. Um, so my question is here. My question is here. So >> if someone let's say an African comes up to you and asks and say, "Oh, you look quite African." Would you take that as an offense?
>> What?
>> It wouldn't make any sense cuz what the hell does an African look like when it's a big >> What do you mean? They could say Exactly. That's the point. They could say you look African and if you ask them to specify, they'll be able to tell you that. So how is that an issue?
>> No, they can't really. They >> Yes, they can. If an African an African is able to specify, how you telling me?
They don't [clears throat] specify what you >> they don't spe they just say you look African and then we ask them where in Africa what not and then more time they'll just they'll th they'll throw out Nigeria cuz that's like it's like a one size catch all thing like it's like they it's just a one size catch all thing like >> you're making it seem like you're making it seem like you met every single African in the world.
>> No bro let's play that game. Let's play that game. So look look no let's play that game. So look at looking at Coley where in Africa if you think she's African where in Africa do you think would you say that she's from?
>> Did I say what are you saying?
>> Answer the question bro.
>> Why would I why? Listen >> stop playing games. Answer the question bro.
>> She looks Jamaican. That's how that's how I >> forget all of that. You forget all of that. That's my opinion.
>> No African brothers and sisters. They constantly come up and tell and say Cody lots.
>> African brothers and sisters. This Listen, I'm from Sagel. Amaz. I'm originally North African. Let's Let's make it clear. I feel like you're just putting Africa in one box. You know what I'm saying? There's different tribes.
There's different weather. You know what I'm saying? So, stop putting Africa in a in a small box and look at it as as you know what I'm saying? Different ethnic groups. You know what I'm saying?
>> Stop dodging the question.
>> What is your question?
>> Hold on. Hold on. K. I'll give you an example. When when these when these lifestyle >> I just said she looks Jamaican.
>> Hold on. Hold on. Don't worry. I'M GOING TO LET YOU RESPOND. I'm going to give you an example.
>> That wasn't a question, brother.
>> When I first It's all right, Nis. I'm going to let you speak in a bit. When I started these lives, there were a lot of um East African people in my chat because of the initial live that I came off of. Right. And there were many that made a point of saying, "You look you look Australian. You look East African.
You look like this. You look like that."
I even had people under my videos on a different platform say this is just an East African cosplaying a Jamaican to exploit Jamaican culture. When I made a point of addressing the East African comments and I said yeah okay I understand phenotypes. I understand no shapes and all of that. Yeah, cool. I understand all of that but I am Jamaican heritage. I'm not cosplaying a Jamaican.
I'm not East African. I'm Jamaican. Do you know how many people that were Nigerians and of different West African backgrounds that started kicking out?
YOU DON'T LOOK EAST AFRICAN. WELL, I KNOW YOU FEEL GOOD WHEN THEY SAY THAT TO YOU, BUT YOU DON'T. YOU DON'T. YOU LOOK JUST LIKE ME. YOU LOOK JUST LIKE MY COUSIN.
>> SEE, when you say Nigerians, like listen, you know, majority of the time, >> wait, wait a second, hold on. Here's my point. There has never been a time in real life right ever when I've met any West African in my entire life where they have ever thought that I was West African. It's never happened in my life when having these conversations right that comment comes up and it will be followed by a laughing face or a crying face or a haha like a gotcha which means right that it's being used as an insult.
People would take it with Hold on.
People would literally with their selfhating ass use their own identity to try and humble. That's what I'm seeing.
I know what I'm seeing when I'm seeing it. It's just what it is.
>> Okay. I I got a question. You know, there's been some Caribbean people that tell Africans, some Africans that they look Caribbean themselves. Have you not heard of that? You've never seen that in real life?
>> Well, there there's been a situation happen like that. And obviously in their behalf, they don't take it as an offense. They take as a compliment.
>> Why would they? Why would they?
>> When has it ever When has it ever Let's be realistic. If we're going to be real, we we we should.
>> Yeah. Let's be real. Yeah. Cool. Go on.
>> Okay. When has it ever been a diss Caribbean?
>> So, why is it this to look African?
>> No.
>> Why is it this to look?
>> You're not listening. You're not listening. I said to you, >> Yeah. Go on. that when I command these lives initially, there were a bag of people that thought I looked East African, but there were people that didn't like when that was said. So, no, you look YOU LOOK WEST AFRICAN. HAHA.
What's the haha for? They themselves don't even like this [ __ ] That's the insult. What are you talking about?
That's the insult. You don't get it.
>> No, I do get it. But still, we're like, come on. Like, this is depends depends on how you take it. Let's be real. Like you you can take it in a week. No, not a month.
>> If it depends on how I take it, it also depends on how you take it. If you've said if someone says you look African, what's the problem? Who said it was a problem? Did I say it was a problem?
>> I mean, you But well, if someone tells you that you look African, you would find that as an issue. You would find that as an issue.
>> When did I say that?
>> What do you mean?
>> When did I say that?
>> You say, listen, listen. You So, you just said a Nigerian said, "No, you look West African." Haha. Take as how you want to take it. You could take as a compliment. Can you not?
>> If someone's laughing in her face, why could take that as a compliment?
>> Why not?
>> So, wait. No, pause. Hold on. Because now I feel like No, no, no. Listen. So, get my point. She can literally say you Wait, hold on. Hold on. Can I finish?
>> No. Can I Can I finish? You could be like, "Yes, I know. I do look Nigerian."
You could say that.
>> Why would SHE SAY NO? FOR ONE, IN ADDITION TO THAT just being false.
>> It's just too sensitive. No, it's not because it's some we really spoke about this. This is the thing. You know what it is? I feel like co you say something and then somehow somewhere down the line it's like Chinese whisper. It just keeps changing and changing and changing.
>> No, wait. Wait. Listen. She already said we already discussed. Yeah. If someone came up to you and said, "Oh, you look African." You just be like, "All right, cool. Go about your day." But if someone comes up to you and goes, "You look You look like me. You look African. Haha."
Getting in your face about it. Then it's not a compliment.
I mean, yeah, that's true. Yeah, fine.
Yeah, >> exactly. That's the point. Simple.
>> Yeah, but >> No, but the thing is, yeah, I hear what you're saying, but I'm just saying just take it how you want to take it. You know what I'm saying? That's all.
>> What's that mean? Okay, I took it how I wanted to take it as an insult, which is how it was meant. Now, what >> Yeah, but the thing is, you know, it's true that you have Well, you have a West African phenotype as well.
>> Explain it to me.
>> Explain it to you. So >> obviously you let's let's be real in your DNA you are predominately West Afric no no no don't talk about my DNA I'm just saying but I'm just saying >> no talk about my phenotype cuz that's what you reference Okay cool so you let's mix West African phenotype with European phenotype as well no mix anything don't mix anything cuz if you mix anything that's no longer okay cool okay >> focus on me and phenotype cuz that's what you referenced and tell me about my West African phenotype. Explain.
>> So, so you Okay, cool. Let's talk. Let's say your cheeks, >> your your face how a bit more rounded.
Yeah, that is a another way of saying you look West African.
>> Are you taking the [laughter] >> It's facts.
>> SO, WHAT THE HELL IS A CHINESE PERSON'S round face?
>> What you mean?
>> Is that what >> Why are you comparing your face to a Chinese person's face?
>> I didn't. Oh my gosh. You're playing with me. I'm not playing with you. I'm just keep >> journeys.
>> Listen, see me. People say people say I look Indian.
>> Draw me out. I actually just let you draw me out.
>> No. People say I look Indian. I don't take that as offense, bro. You just take Africans as an offense.
>> How did you let someone draw you out?
You don't normally let people draw you out and you just did. Cody, fix up, bro.
>> So, you're telling me? No. What?
>> The poor Chinese in this conversation.
>> Wait, wait. I want to say something. So for the let's say the the Asians in the Caribbeans. Yeah.
>> Guys, DO YOU REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I posted this [ __ ] and they said um they said my neck >> my neck is is African. I said it's my African neck and cheek.
>> The thing is though, you just don't believe in phenotypes.
>> Yeah. Hold on. Now all of a sudden no one knows what uh what nose nose shapes are and and different phenotypes that cause features and no one knows what that is. Now, uh, next quantum, your ethnic background or where you based, you know, we're not going to get a serious conversation out of my mind. Go ahead. Your ethnic background or where you based, please. Have you fallen asleep?
Uh, guys, half of the live to send me pretty things. I like pretty things.
East and pretty things.
>> So, not trolling. He's trolling. Go ahead.
>> So, East Africans aren't proud of how they look in um, England.
is Africans. There isn't a single African person that I know that runs around saying I look African like themselves. Cuz what would that even mean? There isn't a singular African face. Thank you. An African does not look like a West African. An Ethiopian person doesn't look like a Sudanese person. A Sudanese person doesn't look like a Nigerian person. An aratrayan person doesn't look like a Ghanaian.
Like it's disingenuous. No one runs around saying I I I just you know what I'm African and I look African. It's not a thing. Only with these.
>> No, I'm saying is that not a thing in England? Because it is a thing here.
>> What do you mean?
>> Like here in the US they they love to say that look East African.
>> That's different. East African is very specific because there is a phenotype that we associate with East Africa for sure. Like like we know what that look is. It's it's very distinct.
But if they like if ask them ask that person now that that you're referring to the East African person if you if they feel that they look uh West African and see what they say.
>> No they they don't like that but I'm they love to say they look East African.
>> Quant Quantum's not speaking. Quantum I'll give you five more seconds for No. Okay. Okay.
Uh, why do people gaslight so heavy, bro?
>> Why?
>> Because gas is expensive.
[laughter] >> The thing is, yeah, it's a disingenuous conversation. It's like the fact is this. Usually when people do this and say this, it's from a place of of selfhate, right? And then if you clock the selfhate and say, "Listen, I don't want to be associated with your selfhate." Then they'll say, "No, you're selfhating cuz you don't want to be a part of me and my selfhate." That's what it is. That's what it is.
>> But here's the thing. This is going to sound this is going to sound insensitive. I don't want to be a part of you guys. And I'm okay with that.
>> I'm okay with that. I love where I'm from. I love my heritage. I love my African um ancestry. I love my Indian ancestry. I love my I don't know if I love the European ones.
>> Don't say that one. You can't. You're not allowed.
>> I mean, I don't know if I love the European one, but I'm just saying indigenous. I I >> don't mention European. Don't mention any of it.
>> Oh, yeah. Like last time when I told everyone that my my great-grandmother was Tyino. Everyone got down my throat and I was just like, it's not my fault.
She was just born that way. Um >> yeah, >> it's actually been a joke. Imagine what did my man say? He said, "For real, Alex," he literally said, "What did he say?" He said, "Um," he said, "Oh, no, but you look West African." I said, "Explain to me what about me looks West African." And then he says, "Well, okay, if you if you mix West African with European, >> mate, at the end of the day, do you remember last time? Do you remember last time?
>> Don't tell me about mix. I don't want to know what I know what my phenotype is.
That's the point. to tell me just the the West Africa for you want to be talking about cheeks. Lord, that's a first. Cheeks. Oh my gosh, that's new. I have to tell my brother about that.
>> Cheeks, you know, >> every single time I'm just like, everybody just live within your borders, expand, develop your countries, and leave each other alone. Sounds great.
>> Uh Barry Hugh is 21.
Don't make me embarrass you. How about that? I'm going to let you stay, but don't make me embarrass you. Cody like to speak too much, but you're here and it on my live with my name on it. You [ __ ] I speak as much as I flipping want on my own life.
Don't make me embarrass you.
>> Been trolling for a minute.
>> Getting into my petty mood. I'm slowly getting there.
>> I don't care.
>> He probably got his bed lotion. People speak that's fake and it that's how this works.
>> So, okay. But when did this start as far as Africans wanting everyone to be African? Because I remember when it was everyone wanted to be Jamaican.
>> Like I think that's the thing. I think it's still Thank you.
So, so this is the thing. They don't actually want us to be African per se.
>> It's just it's just a way of like And um just earlier you saw it, right? So realistically no one uses say oh um no one says to anyone that oh being car Caribbean or Caribbean um as a this like you don't people don't say oh you look Caribbean is like a way to like humble anyone or whatn not. If any if anything if anything it's more of a compliment. You know what I'm trying to say?
>> Yeah every time. But you know, you'll get you get you get people um certain people that will come on the live and then they'll tell Cody that she looks African and then when asked now where in Africa and whatnot. You know what I'm saying? Lots of shuffling, dancing and whatnot. Yeah. Remember that Ghanaian guy that that Ghanaian guy? He came on and he put and he told and then you told him to put on his camera and he put on his camera and then I [laughter] [gasps] he said you he said [laughter] that >> I show my face and you show your face right if you don't say that you are from Caribbean and if I don't say I'm from Africa right they will see us as the same people standing there >> go ahead turn on your camera please mind games No, it's not a mind game. [laughter] This is my face.
>> This is a mind game. Listen, I can't tell you.
>> Yeah. So, if you look at me, [laughter] No, listen. If you look at me now, what will you say about me? Which category will you put?
>> Um, [laughter] [gasps] >> if me and you have similar features that I bullied, man, you know, all I did was TO TURN ON YOUR CAMERA. Did I say anything after that? I said nothing. I [laughter] said no words. I just said turn on his camera.
And then what did I do when he turned on his camera? I I actually ended up like leaving to go toilet or something and I left him on the screen. I said nothing.
Nothing. You want to be complaining like I said something bad. I said nothing. I just let HIM BE ON CAMERA. THAT'S IT.
[laughter] >> You ask for the compound camera and go to the bathroom.
>> That was funny, bro.
>> Genie, it never said no. He didn't say that he looked Caribbean. He said that him and I, he was Ghanaian. He said him and I looked exactly the same. And his words specifically was uh there were no one would be able to tell the difference. His words said, "Am I lying?"
>> No, you're not lying. I couldn't believe what he said.
>> I couldn't believe it when he turned the camera now. I just I just I start bust Yeah. I start busting out and said, "I can't believe this man."
>> He's like, "You're not super."
>> Yeah. Like, do you know how delusional you have to be? And I'm like, I'm like, and then this is what I'm saying. They play these little >> YOU REMEMBER THE COMMENTS THOUGH when that happened?
Do you remember the comment section with [laughter] with THE PE THE SAME PEOPLE?
THE same the same people. Yeah. That kept [laughter] saying [ __ ] LIKE, "NO, YOU LOOK JUST LIKE US. THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE." THE SAME PEOPLE. As soon as he turned on the camera, I watched the comments afterwards.
>> Did they gaslight? They act like they never said that.
>> Some of them SOME OF THEM JUST BACKTRACKED. WELL, >> LIKE THEY NEVER SAID IT. PEOPLE IN IN MY COUNTRY WITH CURLY hair too. And um we have we have we have light skinned people as well.
>> What what's happened? All he did was turn on his camera. Why are you now making up all these things about what different things you might have for you?
>> THEY'RE NOT JOBS, BRO. I'M SORRY. THAT'S A MENTAL ILLNESS.
>> And further of all, as a man, WHY DO YOU WANT TO LOOK LIKE A WOMAN? I'm [laughter] confused.
No, obviously you don't want you don't want to but is he wanted to and I think a lot of them Yeah. What? Again, they it's it's a it's a thing of wanting to be accepted, right? So, they want to be accepted. So, and it's a way of like humbling Caribbean people cuz often more times, you know, when unironically.
Yeah.
>> They use African as a disc towards us.
Like they actually >> It's mind games, is it? You know what I'm saying?
>> It's mind games, isn't it? Like, and it's like it's when it when it's a when it's a woman that's attractive, that's African. And and and they'll never say, "Oh, that woman, they'll never say, "Oh, yeah, that woman, you know, she could be Caribbean." They'll say, "Oh, yeah."
They they'll claim her as African and whatnot. If if you if you even dared saying, "Oh, no, she could be Caribbean." Watch them now. No, that's not true. Ah, there's so many that it's from you can tell that she's from our country within a specific tribe and whatnot in the futures and whatnot. from my tribe.
>> Let let it be. Let it let it be.
>> And then when it's the girl who you tell me about, >> let it be the undesirabs and that. Oh yeah, she looks Caribbean. Yeah. Mind games. Yeah. And then and and then furthermore And then furthermore, watch this one. Watch this one. So when um even recently I was in a room, right, and they were like, "Oh yeah, like um Miss R5." They was like, "Oh, Miss R5 could look African or whatnot." And then I was like, "Hm, interesting." So the unattractive Caribbean women, you also feel [laughter] the you also say they could look African. You see the mind games there.
>> And then and then and then when we and then when we say and then and then when we say [laughter] >> we just prove our point all the time.
>> WAIT, HOW COME THERE WERE people here saying that Beyonce looks Nigerian?
>> Mine games.
It's just a way of claiming people that you want to claim. THAT'S ALL.
>> YEAH. WAIT. OKAY.
>> It's mind games. YEAH. SHE COME ON THE line with Thomas said, "Nah, no one said that." And I lost.
[laughter] >> OH, WHICH WHICH TRIBE in Nigerian does does Beyonce look like she comes [laughter] right?
>> Yeah, they're just trolling, man. They >> are.
>> It's It's just a way again. It's a it's a way of claiming and also like humbling like and know like so when they're saying you're African um or it's a way of claiming so they if you're know attractive woman or whatnot and you happen to be you know of um you know Caribbean or black American or um um South American descent they'll say oh yeah you know you're African as a way of claiming you. Yeah. No one said that.
Just chatting.
Do you not do you not think anyone said that case? By the way, guys, this is the same person uh that said that my cheeks are West African. By the way, so uh no one said that case. You've just decided that. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. This is gaslighting again.
Like, oh yeah, they they act like they never heard these things before. Or even and and the thing is some of them >> no one ever said this [ __ ] Oh >> yeah. The funny the funny thing is I've seen that a in this forotype is I GAVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY to explain K and you started stuttering.
>> No they can't say they never can speak English.
>> You were speaking perfectly fluent English before I asked you that question. Then you started stuttering and it >> they play these little games. You know I'm trying to say it. It's >> gaslighting. Ever heard this argument of you know you you look Nigerian or you look like that. The first time was on here.
>> Yeah.
>> The these conversations was the first time I ever encountered that [ __ ] >> Yeah. True.
>> This is new.
>> They're all of us. We don't even know what that means. We're just going to make [ __ ] up about cheeks and necks. Necks and cheeks.
>> I'm really intrigued to see what an African neck looks like. [laughter] >> I wish you were here.
>> I really want to know.
God, [laughter] I wish the dude said that to me.
>> This was uh this was like ago said that to me. He said my my neck my neck and uh cheekbones.
Oh, look. EYEBALL. [laughter] EYEBALL.
[laughter] >> JACOBE. He said he said my neck.
>> No, they're my neck.
>> They're actually trolls.
>> They be trolling.
>> Wait, [laughter] rise banned to you cuz he said you look Ghanaian. Rise.
>> OH, THAT GUY THAT SAID THAT I look just like him was also Ghanaian.
>> Yeah, rise up. Rise up.
>> You [laughter] can try and come up. He hasn't sent a request.
>> I have a lot of Ghanaian friends. You don't look Ghanaian at all.
>> I've known many Ghanaian Ghanaian that thought I was Ghanaian either. It's fine. is they do this for these conversations.
>> Yeah, it's just trolling like trolling in real time.
>> Is this about cuz you were here from the beginning nonsense. How come when there were East Africans that thought I looked East African or specifically Eratra or whatever. How come the people we talk about now got so angry? You That's gaslighting. Why would you get upset?
Yeah, cuz again cuz cuz they see that you're a pretty attractive, you know, young black woman or whatnot. So they want to claim you as African even though they know that realistically.
>> Sage, you're trolling. You literally guys, look out for Sage. I'll let him stay cuz he's the comments you've been >> is the whole said West Africa. Now he's saying South Africa.
>> They just like to they just like to South, Central, East, West, anything in between like Again, [laughter] it's a way it's a way of it's a way of humbling you. It's a way of humbling people. That's all it is. I'm trying to say because >> they because they've internalized they've internalized, you know, I'm trying to say certain things themselves or whatnot. cuz they actually see, you know, no certain women >> not a conversation that they ever seem to have within themselves cuz I feel like I feel like when we have it beating that dead horse >> cuz then they'd have to admit that they have self-esteem issues and whatnot and all these things or whatnot. You know what I'm trying to say? But so but remember it's a lot of pride and a lot of ego. So they can't actually admit even now even now >> a lot of them you what you think you think they can even admit that there was that there was fake claiming to be Caribbean when they was younger. I mean, you have to really you have to really drag it out of them. You know what I'm trying to say?
>> If you do mention that, if you mention that, it's either as you've seen in over here, it's either denial or they'll say, "Yeah, cuz we're bullied." And it's okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> It's always bullying. It's always Caribbeans started it. It's always Caribbeans bullied them and were mean.
It's always Caribbean Caribbeans.
Caribbeans, Caribbeans, Caribbeans. And then all these videos I'm seeing now, before when I was mentioning the stuff I kept seeing, people said, "You're lying, Coley. It's not a thing. Where's the proof? Where's the proof? So, okay. Then I provided the proof. Silence. Then it was, "Well, um, they're they're just one silly person." Okay. Provide another video. Well, um, listen, you're just obsessed with us. I'VE BEEN ACCUSED of being [laughter] down. I promise you, guys, I'm not joking. I've been accused of being obsessed with with African people, the whole continent. I've been accused of being obsessed with African people.
I've been accused of being obsessed with West Africans.
>> And you're responding. Imagine like funny enough this none of this would ever happen. This is the thing. I'm going to say this to them all the time.
You do realize that when you're saying that we're obsessed with you, but we're not. We don't speak. The only time we have actually speak about you is when you actually speak about us. That's it.
Like they actually think that they actually think that we're sat they actually think that we're all sat down and we're looking at Africans. We're like, "Oh yeah, that person. They look Caribbean like you know." And you could look some you could look like you're from you're from Jamaica somewhere you know and you know got these little words for them and whatnot and saying actually you know the in their culture the specific thing that they have >> they play these games >> you did the video I sent to you >> yeah and and and and watch this one watch this one as well the the whole thing of like you know cuz I ask him all the time like and I ask Caribbean people has there ever been a time where you felt that you need that you had to know say that you was African like ever have have you did did you did you ever feel the need to ever speak African language to like you know what I'm trying to say fit fit in and be cool >> no the I mean I've always been aware of pigeon but I never had the desire to speak pigeon respectfully you know what I'm trying to say like it's never been >> no but n you don't get it you're already speaking pigeon [laughter] >> your language Jamaica pa IS PIGEON DIDN'T YOU KNOW that you're already speaking Yeah, I know that.
>> I hear Nigerians say bumble cloud all the time.
>> Oh, they love it.
>> They love it. They love it.
>> And and and let's >> Hey, listen. Wait. If you saw if you saw Ber Boy talking Yeah. he said he said he didn't like being what he is and he said it wasn't um it wasn't cool and it to be African. These were HIS WORDS. HOW COME my man ended it with Yeah. Like it wasn't calling them things there >> cuz [laughter] they cuz they can't they can't listen again they can't look >> in in their in their minds cuz realistically they understand that like a lot a lot of them [laughter] a lot of the a lot of the cultures that I come from um you know those of us that you know um descend from you know um slavery and whatnot. Yeah. They understand that a lot of that thing, a lot of those cultures, you know, they're very influential, very rich, very vibrant, known around the world and whatnot. You know what I'm trying to say? So, they they they realize that when you put it side by side next to their thing, their thing is not looking.
So, what they do is because we have like some nonsense. Wait, what's Sage is having a mental breakdown? I knew it would come. You're throwing everything at me and this is your final response.
Fake FBA.
>> Not even the FBA.
>> WAIT, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. HE'S BEEN SAYING A BUNCH OF [ __ ] FOR TY.
>> YEAH, he's just throwing He's just throwing words.
>> Yeah, it's shaming tactics. But to get to get to my point, >> okay, I'M GOING TO KEEP YOU AROUND.
HOPEFULLY, YOU'LL RECOVER.
>> YEAH, >> I feel like you just need like >> you just need >> therapy >> to wipe yourself. Once you've done that, you will feel better. But therapy is very good.
>> Stick around. I can't block you. Yeah.
>> I feel like you need to feel loved.
>> Yeah. Co. And not in fact the um there's another thing. Yeah. So my whole thing is if if Patcha is quote unquote pigeon or it sounds like a pigeon. Then why not just speak pigeon then? You know what I'm trying to say? Why not speak the authentic? Cuz let's say that ours is, you know, the notated by, you know, the YT man or whatnot, YT supremacy or whatever. Why not speak the authentic original, you know, African, you know what I'm saying? Why not? Why not go with their thing? Like, why is it all the time?
>> Even with the food, if they're the original, >> how come when when the girl, the Nigerian girl that came on a good few weeks back now got upset with everyone on the panel? How come she started attempting to cuss everyone out in Jamaica? PWA >> mind games.
[laughter] >> I remember that. You think I was there for that?
I said I said no. Thought like you thought like you. And then when I said that, how come her and flipping uh gang members Yeah. were like, "Oh, well uh it's it comes from pigeon anyway. It's Nigerian pigeon, so it's our language, SO WE CAN SPEAK LIKE THAT IF WE WANT." I SAID, "OKAY." [laughter] >> YEAH. It's my game. It's >> then I feel like if it's the same No, she couldn't speak it good at all. It was really bad. JJ, you must have was there. It was bad. My thing is >> you'll never see us.
>> If you own it, you should have spoke to me in pigeon and I should have understood it. You should have cussed me out in pigeon and I should have understood.
>> I should and I watch I watch films. Some of them are funny. You get me?
>> No, they are funny. No, no, the thing is we we I actually I actually like watching like I know a lot of Caribbean people, we love watching their media.
It's hilarious. You know what I'm trying to say? However, How however what you won't catch us doing, yeah, is is trying is attempting to speak pigeon in our dayto-day in conversations and whatnot.
That's never going to happen. You know what I'm trying to say? And again, it's it's a low it's just self low self-esteem. Like they they don't they don't they don't they don't rate their own they don't rate their own thing. If they rated their own thing, then they would just speak how they speak in it.
But instead, they want to speak how we speak and then say that when they're speaking how we speak, it's actually them speaking how they speak. It's just mind games. Is is the is the it's cognitive dissonance on a different level. Like the matter of mental gymnastics, [laughter] no matter the thing IS IF YOU CALL IT OUT CUZ WATCH THIS NOW. YEAH. If you call it out, here's the thing. Here's the thing. You see HOW I WAS ACCUSED earlier of what did he say? I was diss I was dissing Africas cuz cuz you're like clever when you do that [ __ ] and you try to group yourselves in. I haven't had any issues with East Africans like in in in my existence doing this.
No. In fact, a lot of them actually support this content. So anyway, but my point is this. You you group yourself in and then I say, "No, I haven't dissed anyone. Who did I diss?" And then you can't say, right? But you feel dissed because someone whose Caribbean heritage says, "I'm not African. and I have African ancestry, but I'm not African.
I'm Caribbean. And you took that and feel dissed by that. So then I have to say, hm, [clears throat] that sounds like you don't like what you are because you shouldn't feel dissed, but you're feeling something that that that you've created within yourself.
It's internalized. It's nothing to do with everyone else on the outside that you're trying to force an identity on.
Again, I acknowledge having African ancestry. I've never denied that. I've never denied that. I'm proud of it because of the history. I know what my people who are in my DNA that were sold.
Emphasis on sold.
Yeah. Sold. They weren't kidnapped or stolen. They were sold. Right. Okay. to a people that then brought them to the islands that then led to the history and the kind of ancestry I have right now that's all over the place. Right. I'm proud of what they did under those circumstances. I'm so proud that they've developed something that you want to copy now. I'm just so proud of it.
>> Sorry guys, quick question. What's I was talking to Alex Tlex or whatever and he was like, "Oh, like they got they got um Fufu or whatever." Whatever. I feel like that's he was being shady. But do you know what it is? I just want to say I >> Who has food?
>> I don't know. Africans. Like who's fufu?
They eat Ghanaian. I mean Ghanaians, right? I said they eat Ghanaian. My bad.
I meant Ghanaians. Fufu. They eat fufu.
Right.
>> I'm just saying >> in Oh, Nigerian.
>> Yeah. Bunch of them doing South Africa.
Like what's that one tune? They act like they ain't never had nothing. What's that one tune that's like?
Yay.
>> That tune went platinum. Are you dumb?
Like why are you down there? I have nothing.
>> How' that go? How' that go again? Um I know what song you're on about.
>> But it was everywhere. Like everyone's acting like you Oh, there it is. See you. You know I won. Everybody was it Premier Girl or something like [laughter] that. You guys are acting like you you don't have you don't have hype claims to like boast about and do you get it?
>> Yeah. Like you have your own you have your own stuff like claim that like you know what I'm saying?
>> That's the truth.
>> No, but the thing is you know no cuz if you do that Yeah. Here's the problem. If you do that then it [laughter] it confirms the distinction. That's the point cuz I like there was certain tough I just can't flipping remember like I don't remember how it goes but I remember >> the guy put it in. You see the afro beats? Yeah. Like generally speaking, I'm more Amiano, but with Afro beats, I tend to like the ones that are like um like the French the French African Afro beats artist. Like they're tough. Like there's quite a few of them that >> I'm going to be so real. I only listen to Caribbean music low key.
>> Yeah, I know. But some SOME OF THEM LIKE >> every now and again I might listen to there might be one little tune on that.
>> But I don't I don't know. I don't know what he's saying, but you know what I'm trying to say. Bro, Palazo by know I'm saying I might do a little sh that you know what I'm saying is a big tune. Yayo by Remma. Get me.
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