Rachel Wilson DEBATES Brian Shapiro in Heated Feminism Debate

Ajouté : 2026-05-19

[00:00:00]Well, first of all, for somebody that wants to stay home, you're certainly out a lot debating people. So, I really don't understand that argument. Uh, number one, >> aware of Well, let me address that. This is the back and forth. Can I just Can I just finish? This is the back and forth.

[00:00:12]I know, but that was like 10 seconds, >> but you already got it wrong. So, my children are You got everything wrong.

[00:00:16]>> My children are grown. No, I got everything right.

[00:00:18]>> I know they're grown. They're grown up and out of the house. Can I just finish?

[00:00:21]>> So, I've never said that women can't leave the house when their kids have grown up and left and that they can't leave.

[00:00:27]>> Do you believe women should be allowed to vote? Do you think women are chained to the kitchen? You think >> I'm asking you a question. Do you think women should be allowed to vote?

[00:00:32]>> I think it would be better if women and many other groups didn't vote. I I would categorize women as one of the groups that should not.

[00:00:39]>> Is there any other demo that shouldn't be allowed to vote or is it just one?

[00:00:42]>> Yeah, I think there's a lot of different ways that you could limit suffrage that would make everything a lot more fair and a lot more efficient. I think that if you're taking more from the system than you get. Um, so that would be a great way to limit suffrage. You'd have to be a net zero taxpayer. You can't be taking more than you're getting. So if you're getting more in SNAP benefits and welfare, >> voting should should be based on how much you pay in taxes or if you pay tax.

[00:01:05]>> It should be based on whether you are contributing to the system or not. If you're taking more than you're contributing, no, you shouldn't be h having a voice in governance. You should also have to take a civics test proving that you have some rudimentary understanding of how our government works.

[00:01:18]>> A lot of people wouldn't voted for Donald Trump if that was the case, but anyway. Um, so okay. So you don't think that women should be allowed to vote?

[00:01:25]You don't think women should be allowed to vote? At least if they're >> Would you like me to explain why?

[00:01:29]>> No. I Do you know why the birth rate is so low?

[00:01:31]>> No, he doesn't want me to explain. I will anyway.

[00:01:34]>> I find it I find it interesting that you want to take away one of the most fundamental rights of a woman, which is being able to vote. By the way, women are, as you I I think you're aware, bringing children into this world.

[00:01:49]>> Not enough.

[00:01:50]>> Well, yeah. Why Why is that? What's the number one reason why women aren't bringing children in? Do you want to know like the actual coralate?

[00:01:56]>> No, I want to know the polls of the last two years and women have asked because I have the studies right in front of me right here. What is the number one reason, Rachel, why women aren't bringing kids into this world in the last two years? Do you know the reason for that?

[00:02:09]>> I can tell you what the actual data says. The data says that the number one correlate to declining birth rates around the world in every culture regardless of income or religion is women's access to higher education and pushing them into true. So, according to the John Hopkins School of Public Health, which uh have been pulled for the last two years, they've done it eight times. The John Hopkins School of Public Health, I'll take their word over yours. Uh they say the number one reason why women don't want to bring children into the world is something called the economy, Rachel. Now, now let's talk a little bit about the economy real quick.

[00:02:41]Hold on. Hold on. Let's let's talk a little bit about that. Let's talk a little bit about that, Rachel.

[00:02:47]>> Um >> why are people losing their medical coverage? Why are people losing their food stamps? Is it because they're just lazy and they don't want to work? You see, because >> So, we're doing another straw man argument because Yes, because everything's a straw man argument.

[00:03:02]>> I'll explain how you're wrong. I'll explain why you're wrong. The only people who do have uh replacement birth rates are the poorest people. So, if it was economics, we wouldn't see that the only people having children would be the poorest among us. And historically, everybody has had children during times of >> So, it's because of poor people. You're saying the reason why is because poor people can't bring people into the world.

[00:03:22]>> No, I'm saying listen very carefully and try to understand. I'm listening. I'm listening.

[00:03:26]>> The poor people are the ones having the babies. So the people who have the resources are opting out because they think their job is more important because they want to take vacations because they want to pay for a second vehicle.

[00:03:36]>> So the people that aren't poor are pled and they're saying that the reason why they're not having kids is because of the economy. Are they >> are prioritizing a higher material standard of living? Yes. So what has changed then in the last materialism? So atheism and materialism.

[00:03:52]>> Okay. So you think it's atheism?

[00:03:54]>> It's atheism. It's because they don't believe in God and that's the reason why they're prioritizing having stuff and having a career over having >> So what should we do about that? What do you think? Do you think taking away healthcare and and >> I think what we should do about that I'll tell you what what we should do about it is what I'm doing right now.

[00:04:10]what Andrew does all the time, which is explain why atheism is and why you shouldn't why you shouldn't hold to secular materialist worldviews that have no grounding, that have no fundamental basis for morality and lead you into deaths of despair and lead you into an anti-natalist position where you won't even you won't even reproduce yourself.

[00:04:33]>> You know what? I think you saying that makes you Uh so first of all to use that word and to call No, it's not cool for her to use that word to say that just because we don't believe in what you believe that people are because >> bro that's >> Okay, good good.

[00:04:51]So let me be very let me be very clear.

[00:04:53]Okay, everybody has the right to believe in what they believe in. Everybody has the right, you can be a Christian, you can be an atheist. To call people because they don't believe in the religion that you believe in or they don't believe in God is so beyond absurd and bigoted in nature. It's ridiculous.

[00:05:15]It's rid No, I think you are. Um, >> so what I was going to say, what I was going to say, do you have an argument?

[00:05:21]>> What I was going to say, just be quiet.

[00:05:22]Make make Andrew a sandwich and be quiet. So >> that's pretty misogynistic.

[00:05:28]>> 20 million. Andrew, do you have a cigarette? Cuz I need one right now. Um, so listen, uh, listening your butt by a housewife.

[00:05:37]>> Yeah, you're you're Yeah, you're kicking my butt, Rachel. Calling calling everybody because they don't think like you is a wonderful argument to make. So 20 million people in this country have lost their healthcare because of what is in the big and beautiful bill. Millions of people have lost their food stamps. And while people that are sitting over there think it's funny that people in this country are struggling living paycheck to paycheck, many of those people can't afford to have a child. And if they have multiple children, they have to work two jobs.

[00:06:10]They have to work three jobs. Now, what happens if a woman hasn't met the right man and she's in her 30s? What does she do there? What happens if a woman is a single woman trying to raise children?

[00:06:21]What is she supposed to do to raise those children? You know, the people who you support are against unemployment benefits. They're against maternity leave and they're basically against every government program that would help that mother raise that child. These are the people that you support. So, while you can call people for simply not agreeing with your religious beliefs, you're mocking me for making arguments and yet you want to insult everybody that disagrees with you. Let me be very clear.

[00:06:52]>> I support Wait, hold on 10 seconds. At some point, I have to be >> okay. At some point, you will finish the sandwich. So, the point that I was trying to make was I want everybody to believe in what you want to believe in.

[00:07:05]I'm not going to call you because you don't want to be Christian, because you don't want to be Jewish. By the way, I'm not an atheist. I do believe that there is a higher power. I just don't consider myself an extremely religious person. I would never call you all because you don't believe in the same religion that Rachel believes in. I don't live my life based on a book. You can. I choose not to.

[00:07:27]That doesn't make me It doesn't make you I know a lot of very intelligent people that do not believe in God. It doesn't mean they're bad people. It doesn't mean they're That is not an argument, Rachel. You're insulting millions and millions of people in this country that don't believe in what you believe in. Go ahead, Miss Go ahead.

[00:07:45]>> So, that was yet another straw man ad hom not an argument. Because, and I'll explain why. Uh, do you know how long the birth rate has been below replacement levels?

[00:07:57]>> Any idea?

[00:07:58]>> I'm sorry. You asking me a question?

[00:07:59]>> Yes.

[00:07:59]>> What was the question? How long have birth rates been below replacement?

[00:08:03]>> I'm going by the last two years according to the John Hopkins School of Public Health.

[00:08:06]>> Answer my question. How long have the birth rates been below replacement?

[00:08:10]>> I the data I have are the last two years.

[00:08:12]>> Okay. He doesn't know. So I'll tell you.

[00:08:14]It's been for about 50 years. Okay.

[00:08:17]>> So was Trump to blame for the birth rate being below replacement in the 1980s? I didn't say that. Okay. What caused it then? What time during the prosperity of the early 90s when we had a one of the best economies we've had? Why was the birth rate below replacement?

[00:08:31]>> Sure. Sure. Sure.

[00:08:33]>> So, I'll answer that, but I'll start by saying this.

[00:08:37]>> That's I I don't I don't know what's so funny. Um I have the study for the last two years. Now, I didn't bring up the study for why the birth rate was lower 50 years ago. Um and the reason why I didn't is in my opening monologue, what I told everybody is that I care about what's going on in this country.

[00:08:58]disproved your point. My point disproves your point.

[00:09:02]>> What are you talking about? It's the economy right now. You said yes. You said the reason women aren't having Yeah. You said the reason is this. I'm telling you it's been this way for 50 years. So, it can't be anything that's happened in >> I just gave you why women are not having children. Are you able to follow logic?

[00:09:17]>> Are you not able to listen to logic? I just told you logic. I just told you right now the reason why women aren't having kids now. Now, I know you care about 50 years ago. No, I'm talking about consistency over time.

[00:09:29]>> And right now, the number one reason is the economy. That's what I'm trying to explain to you. Why don't you pay attention?

[00:09:34]>> What I'm trying to explain to you is that even in the '9s when when the economy was at its best, women were still not having more than >> and times change and people change and and women have different opinions about different things.

[00:09:47]>> This disproves your theory. You can take a you can take one survey.

[00:09:52]>> What you have is one survey. How many people were asked the question in the survey?

[00:09:56]>> Uh I have it right here.

[00:09:59]18,000.

[00:10:00]>> 18,000.

[00:10:01]>> Yes. 18,000. John Hopkins.

[00:10:03]>> Right. So you don't think that it could be the case that when they say it's the economy, they're not saying we're starving. They're saying, "Look, I want to go on a cruise every year. I want that second vehicle. I want a higher standard of living and I would prefer to have a job and work."

[00:10:18]>> So the reason why women aren't having kids is because they want to go on a cruise.

[00:10:22]>> It's because they want a higher material standard of living. And so, all right.

[00:10:26]How do you know that? Well, how do you know that?

[00:10:27]>> You did this big long monologue. So, now I'm going to do one.

[00:10:30]>> Uh, if you know anything about the economics of the last 50 years and the birth rates, you would know that prior to pushing women into the workforce in huge numbers in 1970, most women with school-aged children stayed at home.

[00:10:43]Overwhelmingly, there was only like 6% of kids who uh had a mom that worked full-time. During that time, the fund the economy fundamentally changed into a two-income economy where rather than just having the basics where a janitor who's a father of five can support all those kids on one income and they can have a house in a nice neighborhood, they can have a car, they can afford groceries, and they can even afford to retire. Imagine such a thing like the baby boomers did. When we pushed women into the economy in huge numbers, it did a couple of things. The first is it created that two-income trap where now you don't have a family wage, you have an individual wage. And on top of that, we changed from being uh more of a productive economy to what uh my friend Aaron Clary calls a she economy. And this is more of a service-based, consumerbased, debt-based economy where everybody is buying more than they can afford. They are financing everything.

[00:11:40]They are living well above their means.

[00:11:42]And it takes two incomes to keep this up. And this happened because we gave women a ton of uh free college. It wasn't really free. They had to pay it back. Women are now the majority debt holders. They have the most degrees, but they also go into life with an average of $50,000 in debt.

[00:11:59]>> Are you against debt forgiveness?

[00:12:01]>> I'm not done yet.

[00:12:02]>> So, yes, when you have a young woman who spends all of her formative years going to school, she doesn't graduate college till she's at least 22, maybe later.

[00:12:12]She's got $50,000 in debt starting out and she has to start a career. Of course, she's gonna say, "I can't have a baby. I I just started in life with debt and a career that I have to build otherwise all this college I went to is for nothing. That's why I chose not to do it because I wanted to have a family and I thought it doesn't make sense for me to do things this way." And a lot of women want to do that and feel the social pressure that they cannot make that choice because everyone around them goes, "You've got to have your own money. you you'll you can't depend on a man. That's scary. He'll abuse you and you'll have to leave and it's going to be awful. And we don't fearonger women about let's say a woman wants to be a dentist and we say, "Well, what happens if you get arthritis? What if you hurt your hand or lose your fingers in an accident? You can't rely on being a dentist. What if something happens?"

[00:12:57]>> All right, let me jump in here.

[00:12:59]>> It's not that just to summarize, it's not that women are too poor. It's not that people are too poor. We still have a much higher standard of living than we've ever had historically. It's not that we can't afford children. It's that we fundamentally transformed the economics of the country and people have different material standards that they want instead that they prioritize over family.

[00:13:19]>> Okay. So, just to repeat, she just said it's not that women can't afford children. Rachel's in a a situation where she has means and she has money.

[00:13:29]She doesn't speak for all the other women that were in this John Hopkins uh where they all said that the number one reason was the economy. There could be all sorts of different reasons. I don't believe that the majority of these women said they're not having kids because they want to be able to go on a cruise.

[00:13:45]Okay, they got to pay their >> I don't believe I'm not done yet. Okay, >> I don't believe that at all. She's making a gross assumption in assuming to to form her argument that all these women are not having kids. And it's got nothing to do with any of the policies put forth right now. It's got nothing to do with the fact that they're living the paycheck to paycheck or they're single mothers who uh can't get maternity leave. It's got nothing to do with any of that stuff, but it's, you know, forming her argument on that, which which obviously I I I completely disagree. But she said something very interesting.

[00:14:16]It's the whole form of of of why I'm here today. She said she chose she chose to do things in her life. And I would never want to take that away from you, Rachel, but you want to take that away from other people. And then you'll say that's a straw man argument. You've said in this debate thus far, what are we halfway through? that she doesn't believe that the majority of women should vote. She thinks it should be on the level >> the majority of men should vote either.

[00:14:41]>> Okay. Okay. Well, well, that's that's a great argument, Rachel. That's a great argument. Um, >> it is a great argument.

[00:14:46]>> Yeah. So, you don't believe women should vote and you don't believe a certain percentage of men should vote. But everybody should be allowed to have a gun though, right? If you're not a felon.

[00:14:54]>> Yes. Exactly.

[00:14:55]>> Right. That that makes a lot of sense.

[00:14:56]That makes a lot of sense.

[00:14:57]>> I think the founders were correct about that.

[00:15:00]>> The founders had musketss. Rachel, we have AR-15s. What does that have to do with suffering?

[00:15:04]>> Has a lot to do with with with uh >> By the way, this is a guy who's never shot a musket because if he thinks musketss I'm I'm a firearm instructor, by the way, musketss are less dangerous than some of the guns we have now. He would be wrong.

[00:15:16]>> Don't squirt out. Calm down. So, the bottom line here is >> she wants to take away the rights.

[00:15:22]>> He wants to take away your guns. He >> wants to take away your gun rights.

[00:15:25]>> No, I don't. NO, I DON'T.

[00:15:26]>> Don't you let HIM TAKE AWAY YOUR RIGHTS.

[00:15:29]>> NO, I don't. By the way, the people laughing right there, that's the Andrew Wilson circle jerk crew right over there. Um, so I don't want to take away anybody. See, she's wrong. I don't want to take away anybody's right to own a gun as long as they're not a felon. I've never said that, by the way. As far as I know.

[00:15:45]>> Why did you throw that at me? Oh, you >> I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why.

[00:15:50]Because of how ridiculous her argument is. I can't.

[00:15:54]>> She wants to take away the rights of people to vote, but yet those same people that are not, as you said, contributing to society, go ahead and buy 10 guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition. I don't want to take your right away. No matter how smart you are or how stupid you might be or how much money you're paying in taxes, I don't want to take your rights away. I'm I'm pro- First Amendment. I'm Listen, I've never said that I want to take all of your guns away. And by the way, I can't think of one elected official on the left that said that either. Not that this is a gun control debate. I don't want to I don't want to I don't want to take your right away to vote either.

[00:16:32]Listen, I get frustrated sometimes and I say, "Man, I wish stupid people weren't allowed to vote. Man, I wish those people weren't allowed to vote." But would I want to put a law in place to take that right away from you? Of course not. Maybe I could agree with some sort of basic I know I had a conversation with Vive Ramaswami about this and I sort of agree with them that if you had some sort of basic civics test or something I can't say I would be against that. Maybe we agree on that. Great.

[00:16:58]>> But but the fundamental if you don't if you're not making enough money or you're unemployed or you're poor that that should be a factor in whether you should vote or not. I completely fundamentally disagree with that.

[00:17:09]>> Okay. So you think that people who take from the Treasury and raid the Treasury, take the tax money of those who are producing should be allowed to vote in huge numbers to take more. Please be specific. You talk about welfare, >> food stamps.

[00:17:22]>> I'm talking about anyone who takes I'm not saying poor people. I was poor most of my life. But >> so most of your life you shouldn't be allowed. You shouldn't have been allowed to vote.

[00:17:30]>> I wasn't taking more from the system than I was getting. So if you're on SNAP benefits, you're on tanniff, you're getting Medicaid, you're taking tens to maybe hundreds of thousands from the government in subsidies and welfare, then no, you don't get to vote to continually steal from other people.

[00:17:46]>> What about people that steal billions of dollars? Should they be allowed to vote?

[00:17:50]>> They should go to prison if you can.

[00:17:52]>> What if they get a full pardon? Should they be allowed to vote?

[00:17:54]>> Well, if you get a pardon, that's the legal system. What do you want me to do about more Trump? So, so if you're somebody that has stolen billions of dollars and you get a pardon, you should be allowed to vote. But if you're somebody that is struggling, maybe living paycheck to paycheck, maybe doesn't have a job, maybe doesn't have the opportunities that some other people have, you shouldn't be allowed to vote.

[00:18:20]Correct. I'm sorry. That is absurd.

[00:18:23]>> Let's ask another question here. So, >> I'll make a deal with you. I'll say all the women can vote.

[00:18:30]>> No, I will not have a beer with your husband.

[00:18:32]>> Nobody wants to have a beer with you, dude. Good. Okay. Thank you. So, thank you.

[00:18:36]>> All the women all the women can vote if they have to sign up for the draft when they turn 18 like the >> Let's talk about the draft. I'm happy to do that with you.

[00:18:43]>> So, here's my opinion on the draft, right? And here's my opinion on women.

[00:18:46]And I'm glad you brought that up.

[00:18:48]>> I believe that there should be a basic physical standard that both men and women need to pass. And if because well I think we all could agree in this room on average right a man is physically stronger than a woman on average that doesn't mean that there aren't women out there that are pretty strong. So my opinion is is is pretty simple on this.

[00:19:09]If you can pass that basic physical standard that a man and a woman would have to pass and they're willing to risk their life for this country.

[00:19:17]>> You're talking about voluntary service.

[00:19:19]No one is no one is barring women from the military. Dude, >> what's your opinion on that? Should women be able to go to war? Should Should women be able to be there?

[00:19:26]>> I asked you a question about the draft.

[00:19:28]Let's stick to my question right now.

[00:19:30]Switching. I think that if women want the same rights as men, they should have to. If we want equality, let's have equality. I'll believe women want equality when they demand to sign up for the selective service. when they demand to be part of the industries where 92% of the workplace deaths are compromised by men when they're doing 90% of the essential infrastructure work. That's equality. Equality is not a system where men do everything dirty, dangerous, and difficult. They die for the country.

[00:19:59]They die on the job. They die to defend the borders.

[00:20:02]>> How many women have died from child birth since the early 70s?

[00:20:04]>> Oh, I'm glad that you asked. Not nearly as many as men.

[00:20:07]>> How many?

[00:20:08]>> Let me see if I have it in my notes.

[00:20:10]It's a very small number. You think over 30,000 people is a very small number?

[00:20:15]>> I that's not what I had here.

[00:20:17]>> That's what I have. Since the early 70s over 30,000 >> Since the early 70s. Okay. How many men have died in workplace jobs since the early >> I don't have those stats in front of me.

[00:20:25]Imagine a lot of men have died in in work have died in child birth by far.

[00:20:29]>> I I don't deny that.

[00:20:30]>> If you combine wars, so we're talking about voluntary versus involuntary.

[00:20:35]Nobody is forcing women Nobody's forcing women to have children. We are forcing men to sign up for the draft. And we are forcing men to do everything that makes this these lights, this live stream, these microphones possible. Women do not build and maintain society.

[00:20:53]>> So because women aren't forced to have kids, you don't think that's a sacrifice when they do have kids, when they make that decision?

[00:21:00]>> When a man signs up for >> uh voluntary military service, yes, he is choosing to sacrifice. We three women just came home in caskets from Iran.

[00:21:10]You're >> anyone who volunteers for either child birth or military service and dies is doing a great selfless thing. That's not what we're talking about, buddy. You got to try to stick with the argument. We're talking about what men are compelled to do and what what are women compelled to do on behalf of society that might kill them? You know, I don't think women are forced per se to do anything, but what you are making the argument with us today is you're making the argument that women should be at home and be stay-at-home mothers and they shouldn't be out there in the workplace.

[00:21:38]>> Did I say that?

[00:21:39]>> Oh, so tell me that then if it tell me your opinion on women in the workplace.

[00:21:43]Do you believe that women should have the same opportunities as men in the workplace?

[00:21:48]>> Yes, and they do. But what I will say, yes, they do.

[00:21:52]>> What's the average pay for a woman and a man? The wage gap reduces to about 3% when you take into account the the fact that women choose easier, lower paying jobs, easier, lower paying degrees than men on average, and take much more time off and much more time away.

[00:22:07]>> See, this is the problem with this argument.

[00:22:09]>> You're you're you're skipping ahead and you didn't let me finish the point here.

[00:22:12]We're talking about how men are forced and compelled to possibly go to war and die. And we have no such responsibility for women. No one's forcing women to do anything to defend the country. No one's forcing women to go work a job that could kill them.

[00:22:28]>> We don't have a civil We don't have civilization without women uh bearing children. We don't have men. I understand that they're not understand.

[00:22:38]>> Why do men have to sign up for selective service at age 18? Or do you know what happens to them if they don't? They get in big trouble, don't they? And they lose rights, don't they?

[00:22:47]>> Here's why. As I said earlier, women as a as a whole >> are not as physically enabled as men on average. Right. On average, that is why I said, and I'll repeat it again, I wouldn't have a problem with that. If they both pass the same physical test, >> you're not addressing my question.

[00:23:07]>> I'm completely addressing your question.

[00:23:08]I never said that women have to sign up.

[00:23:11]I never said that.

[00:23:11]>> Pass a physical test to sign up for the draft. I never I never made that claim.

[00:23:16]I'm talking about the draft. stick to the >> I understand what we are talking about.

[00:23:19]>> You're talking about when people go sign up for military service and go to boot camp. I'm not talking about that.

[00:23:25]>> Well, I that's the argument that I'm making. I'm making because you're >> That doesn't address the question.

[00:23:30]>> I never made the claim.

[00:23:31]>> If men and women, if men and women are equal, why is there standard for men that there is not for women?

[00:23:37]>> Men and women are equal. As I've said before, there are attributes that women have that are stronger than men. There are attributes that men have that are struggling. I never said as a whole with every job men and women are equal. I'm not making that argument. The argument of this entire debate here is the point that I'm trying to make is that I don't want to interfere in other people's lives.

[00:24:00]>> That's really cute. That's so virtuous of you. It has nothing to do with anything.

[00:24:03]>> Well, I think it has >> I don't want to tell anyone what to do.

[00:24:06]>> She doesn't want women to vote. She thinks women should be secondass citizens. Tell me you haven't said that.

[00:24:11]>> I have not said that women should be second class. I've never said that in any debate on the record.

[00:24:15]>> You think I've said women should be second class citizens.

[00:24:18]>> You've never said that?

[00:24:19]>> No, maybe as a joke.

[00:24:20]>> Oh, maybe as a joke. Okay.

[00:24:21]>> I say a lot of stuff.

[00:24:22]>> It was just a joke. It was locker room.

[00:24:24]>> Tell me when I said that.

[00:24:25]>> I heard you in a debate say that you you said women should be second. Now, are you saying you were joking?

[00:24:31]>> I don't ever remember saying women should be secondass citizens.

[00:24:35]>> You don't remember? Okay.

[00:24:36]>> What debate was it?

[00:24:37]>> I think that's interesting.

[00:24:38]>> I think you're lying. What debate was it?

[00:24:40]>> I think you're lying.

[00:24:40]>> What debate was it?

[00:24:41]>> Was it a joke? Who was I debating?

[00:24:43]>> I'll look it up. Was that a joke?

[00:24:44]>> You're lying. I didn't say that.

[00:24:46]>> As when I was doing debate prep, >> you have proof or not?

[00:24:48]>> When I was doing debate prep.

[00:24:50]>> You have proof or not?

[00:24:50]>> I will provide you the proof.

[00:24:52]>> So, you're saying you never said that?

[00:24:53]>> No, I never said that.

[00:24:54]>> Okay. Okay.

[00:24:55]>> Okay. Okay. I'll look it up.

[00:24:56]>> So, back to the draft. Why is it that men have to sign up for the selective service or risk losing their voting rights and even their freedom, but women don't? Why?

[00:25:07]>> Well, I just gave you the answer. as a whole in general.

[00:25:10]>> So men and women are different.

[00:25:12]>> When did I say that they were exactly the same? That would be the most ridiculous thing. I never said that.

[00:25:17]>> Why should women have the exact same political power as men when as the anti-suffrage women brilliantly argued, they said, "Look, the purpose of government is to protect persons and property. That's the function." So the argument is because women do that. When we're born, as on on on average, as I've said, men might be on average stronger than women because of that premise and they have to sign up. Women shouldn't be allowed to vote. I completely disagree with that premise. And it goes, why >> argument? I haven't heard an argument.

[00:25:50]I've just heard you go, I can't believe what she said. Can you hear believe what she's saying? She called people a word.

[00:25:56]She said women should be secondass citizens. SHE WANTS TO TAKE AWAY.

[00:25:59]>> I think I think if you're not a Christian, you're That's my impersonation.

[00:26:02]>> I think you should give me an argument.

[00:26:04]>> Okay. Well, bad impersonation. Okay. Bad impersonation.

[00:26:08]>> I never >> I don't have a stupid hat.

[00:26:10]>> Bad imperson.

[00:26:11]>> Okay. All right.

[00:26:13]>> Now, give me the argument, please.

[00:26:16]>> Do Do you really want to go there?

[00:26:17]>> I want you to go.

[00:26:18]>> You want to go to personal physical attributes?

[00:26:20]>> I want you to give me an argument.

[00:26:22]>> Is that what you're going to do?

[00:26:23]>> I mean, do you want to have a modeling contest, Brian? I don't think you're going to win.

[00:26:26]>> Okay. I don't think you're going to win either.

[00:26:28]>> Fair enough. Now, give me an argument.

[00:26:30]Tell me why. Tell me how we're supposed to have equality between the sexes when one is expected to die.

[00:26:38]Okay. Tell >> and I've tried to explain this to you.

[00:26:40]>> Okay.

[00:26:42]>> Women have certain things that they are better than men at. Women have certain responsibilities like bearing children if they decide to have children. The argument that you're making is well it's a choice for a woman to have a child.

[00:26:55]Okay. Yes, it is a choice. I understand that. But still, my point being is that just because women don't have to sign up for the draft shouldn't be a reasoning why women should not be allowed to vote.

[00:27:09]Let me ask you, >> you just restated the position. You did not give me an argument.

[00:27:13]>> So, let me ask you a question.

[00:27:14]>> Why? What would be?

[00:27:15]>> Because women don't have to sign up for the draft.

[00:27:18]>> I know. Look here. Look at your husband for >> He's so handsome. I can't help it.

[00:27:22]>> I know. By the way, this is I I want to >> It's rough looking this way. I want to take a break and look this way.

[00:27:29]I will say this. Since she wants to get since she wants to get personal with me because she's been doing that.

[00:27:34]>> He doesn't want to have to actually give an argument. He all he just did by the position. You're insulting my physical appearance. You've called people for not agreeing with you. And and you're talking to me about forming an argument. You've called millions of people that don't agree with you. And now you're talking to us about how handsome your husband is. You couldn't be more insecure.

[00:27:54]>> He's so handsome. I will say this though, the other day when we had our little uh kind of funny, we had our little uh Twitter spat, she spent all day trying to uh convince strangers how hot her HUSBAND WAS. LITTLE STRANGE.

[00:28:06]LITTLE STRANGE.

[00:28:08]>> Little strange. Listen, I think if you're in a a healthy relationship, you should think your husband is hot. If you're married to a woman, you should think your wife is hot. I just think it's a little weird trying to explain to thousands of complete strangers trying to convince them that your husband is hot. I know it's a little weird. Now rather than it's a little strange that's all weird you restating your position of I just don't think so tell me why women should No you just restated the position I've told you you're not Rachel you're not listening they shouldn't >> Rachel you're not listening >> I'm not listening you're not thinking >> you're right no I'm thinking you're not listening okay >> simply restating the position is not an argument >> Rachel I'm not stating the position over I'm giving you my opinion on what we are discussing I've already tried not paying attention so I'll say it again Okay, there is no question that there are sacrifices that men have to make that women don't have to make, like being in the draft. I agree with you. Okay, however, there are sacrifices that women have to make that like bearing children and being pregnant and having kids. I never said I never said they had to do it.

[00:29:14]>> That's a category error.

[00:29:15]>> I never said they had to do it.

[00:29:16]>> Let me help this man with another logical fallacy. It's called a category error. We are talking about a an involuntary thing which people are compelled by the government to do versus a completely voluntary thing. We're going to agree to disagree. Nobody even dare.

[00:29:30]>> We're going to agree to disagree on that. Do you think women are bad in the government? Do you think they're bad representing in the in government?

[00:29:34]Because you said that in your book, right? Do you think women are bad?

[00:29:36]>> I don't think women should be in politics. No. But you still haven't given me an argument for I mean we can beat a dead horse, but I'd like to move on to another topic. Do you think I'm sure you would think women are bad? No.

[00:29:47]Because we only How much time do you have left in this debate? There's a lot of other things that we should be discussing. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. 10 minutes more. You think women are bad in government, right? You don't think they should be in government. You don't think they should be politicians, right?

[00:29:59]Correct.

[00:29:59]>> Why is that? Why do you think that way?

[00:30:00]>> Because the purpose of government is for the protection of people and property.

[00:30:05]And women are not able to accomplish that. Women, there's a reason, by the way, that historically women couldn't own property. It's because they can't defend it. So, as a woman, if I owned like a 100 acres of land in 1845, how am I going to protect it from bandits, from marauders, from people who want to come?

[00:30:22]I would need, you asked me a question, so I'm answering. I would need men to do that on my behalf. I think the reason that we shouldn't have women in government is because men are the only people who can defend the borders, who can enforce the law. We've seen what happens when you try to put female law enforcement officers on the streets and on the border. It doesn't work out very well. We need men and we rely on them to protect persons and property. Therefore, that's the that's the task of >> let's talk about protecting. Let's talk about CO for a moment. Female female leaders.

[00:30:56]>> Yeah, let's co. Okay. Sure. Tell tell me how >> Why are you laughing at CO? Millions of people died of >> it. It had better tie back to feminism.

[00:31:04]>> Why are you laughing?

[00:31:04]>> Because we're debating feminism and you're think >> I think it has nothing to do with feminism.

[00:31:09]>> Okay. Why don't you shut up and let me finish and make your make him a sandwich again and let me finish. No, you're just you're disrespect I'm trying to make a point. I let you talk. Be quiet. Let me talk. There's a reason why I'm bringing this up. You said women you said women shouldn't be in government positions.

[00:31:24]Correct. I am telling you during CO, female leaders were far more successful than men in dealing with CO. Globally, women only held 7% of leadership positions. four of the top 10 countries uh that were uh run by women. Uh and in this study, the death rates 13 countries led by men, eight led by women. The male per capita, 214 deaths per million that were led by men, led by women, 36 people per million. Look, you could look up that stat. Now why? You could say maybe it was ego. You could say maybe it was bad policy. You could say maybe it wasn't listening to experts. Whatever the case may be, the women that were in power in these countries led to 36 people dying per million. By the men, 214 deaths per million. So if your premise is that men should be in power in these positions and women shouldn't, then what is your explanation there?

[00:32:23]Because if women weren't in power, more people would have died.

[00:32:27]>> Do you believe in freedom and liberty?

[00:32:30]>> I think I've made that pretty clear.

[00:32:32]Okay. Well, the reason for those statistics is that women were notoriously tyrannical. Like the prime minister of New Zealand locked down New Zealand tighter than a prison camp. And the fastest way to get rid of liberty and freedom is to put women in charge of the government because they overwhelmingly bring in tyrannical welfare.

[00:32:51]>> I just gave you the stats of how they save lives.

[00:32:53]>> Yes. By locking down their countries. By not letting people go to work. By shutting down businesses. By forcing people to take vaccines. So, first of all, first of all, >> you think forced vaccination?

[00:33:04]>> First of all, I find it repugnant that people in this crowd are laughing at the fact that less people died because maybe you couldn't go to the mall. Okay. I find that despicable. Number one, you were people chasing people around with masks.

[00:33:18]>> No, actually, I was one No, I was one of those people that almost died of CO. I was in the ICU. Hold on a second. I was in the ICU for two weeks. I saw people die around me. And the last breaths and the last No, it is sad. And the last breaths and the last breaths that some of those people made, >> they didn't think that CO was real. The reason why this is a personal topic to me is because I almost died from it. And I would imagine, sadly, I wish this wasn't the case. I would imagine a lot of people in this room know people that died of CO. It was horrible. I don't want innocent people to die. Of course, I want people to have their freedoms. Of course, I want people to go out and be able to live their lives. The only point the only point that I was trying to make was that women that were in these positions during that time during co saved lives and they did a better job than men. Now if you think they're woke and they shouldn't have closed every and everything should have been opened, you're entitled to that opinion. I disagree with you.

[00:34:07]>> How do you feel about forcing people to take experience?

[00:34:10]>> I've always said I've always said I've always said that I never felt like the vaccines should have been forced on anybody. I disagree with people that said that.

[00:34:18]>> That's what women did when they were in charge.

[00:34:20]>> But these women that were in charge of these countries, and by the way, that's not entirely factually accurate. So, let me ask you a question.

[00:34:27]>> Do you want us to look like a third world country? Is that what you want?

[00:34:32]>> No.

[00:34:33]>> You don't want that? Okay.

[00:34:34]>> Explain.

[00:34:35]>> Well, let me ask you this.

[00:34:36]>> Are we still talking about feminism, by the way?

[00:34:39]>> Yes, we are.

[00:34:39]>> Okay. Yes, we are. Because when you take an entire society and you say that women shouldn't vote, women shouldn't uh be doing these specific things. I don't want to look like >> what specific things.

[00:34:51]>> I don't want to look like Afghanistan.

[00:34:53]You are pushing I didn't say that.

[00:34:54]>> You are pushing a narrative.

[00:34:56]>> So it's either progressive liberal enlightenment or it's Sharia law in Afghanistan. I didn't say that. What do you think Western culture looked like for all of its history? Women can have plenty of liberty not run the country.

[00:35:10]>> Okay, about five minutes. Uh putting some limits on women.

[00:35:15]We only have 5 minutes, so time constraints.

[00:35:16]>> You spent all the time talking about Trump and COVID and all kinds of >> Well, yeah, because I gave you examples of women in government that I thought did a good job.

[00:35:24]>> A single compelling argument.

[00:35:25]>> Actually, I did. They saved lives. And obviously, you don't care about that.

[00:35:28]Did you say in your book that Miley Cyrus, Cardi B, Katy Perry, Beyonce, because they stick their tongue out, they're invoking some Hindu goddess and they hate men. Is that why they stick their tongue out?

[00:35:38]>> They literally say in their songs they hate men. Yeah. No, no, no. You talked about sticking No, in your book you said because they stick their tongue out.

[00:35:46]>> You think? Okay. Can you please explain that to because according to your theory, Jean Simmons must want to kill men too. When women stick their tongue out, could it just be possible that maybe they're just doing it because they enjoy it or it's something they do?

[00:35:59]>> I said in the book whether they know it or not, this could be invoking forms of ancient goddess worship and they do in their own songs talk about it. That's not really >> So, hold on. So because Miley Cyrus sticks out her tongue, >> that must mean that they hate and they want to kill men.

[00:36:14]>> I didn't say that.

[00:36:15]>> In your book, you were talking about invoking the Hindu goddess because they stick their tongue out.

[00:36:19]>> Did you read the book?

[00:36:20]>> That must mean I want to kill men, too.

[00:36:22]I don't.

[00:36:22]>> Did you read the book? Cuz you said you weren't.

[00:36:23]>> I read excerpts of the book. Sure.

[00:36:25]>> Yeah. Chat GPT cuz that's not what I said.

[00:36:28]>> Oh, so what did you say? So what? So talk to me about women sticking their tongue.

[00:36:31]>> Well, just briefly because it's not actually relative to whether feminism is good for women and children. You're attacking women for sticking their tongue out.

[00:36:38]>> I'm not attack I'm attacking women.

[00:36:39]>> You're right. They're Hindu goddesses and and they want men.

[00:36:41]>> That's not what I said. Anyone who's read the book would know. By the way, go buy it. It's on Amazon. Oult feminism, The Secret History of Women's Liberation. It will explain though. If I had it during the 70s, uh there was a big goddess worship revival in the West that coincided with feminism and that they do still now. If you go to Tik Tok, look up the hashtag witchtalk and you will see feminists showing you how to perform ritual abortions, how to worship ancient goddesses like Lilith and Anana, and they take it very seriously. You really are nuts. You know that I'm not nuts.

[00:37:12]>> You're absolutely crazy. That hurts.

[00:37:14]>> Here's I'm not crazy. Witchcraft sticking your tongue out.

[00:37:17]>> Witchcraft is the number one fastest growing religion among young women in the West. Did you know that?

[00:37:24]>> I did. Yeah.

[00:37:24]>> Yeah. You know why?

[00:37:25]>> So that's not me. That's them telling you that. They're telling you they believe it.

[00:37:30]>> I am I am very uh very >> whether you believe witchcraft is real or not doesn't matter. They're saying they believe it.

[00:37:36]>> You know why I feel that way? Because I think most people that are into that think that it's inclusive. It's not oppressive maybe like Christianity.

[00:37:44]Correct. They feel like they feel like maybe that it's empowering. So you love witchcraft. Um I'm going by I I think you can >> witchcraft is cool you guys. It's very inclusive. It's very you believe in the Bible, right? And uh God killed 2.4 4 million people in the Bible. Is that oppressive? I don't know.

[00:38:00]>> I I believe in Orthodox Christianity and I'm not going to get into a Bible debate with you because it's beyond the scope of this.

[00:38:06]>> So here, so we only got a couple minutes left.

[00:38:09]>> Tell me where. So do you have an argument? Tell me how feminism has improved the lives of women and children when I just opened with all these statistics proving that >> I'll use your argument because I want to move on to one other thing, but I'll just use the argument that you used 20 minutes ago. It's >> Um, so that's There's a lot of problems. There's a lot of Okay, hold on. There's a lot of problems in this country. I think we all I think we all know. Okay, there's a lot.

[00:38:34]Hold on. We have three minutes left here.

[00:38:36]>> We have a lot of problems in this country. We've talked a little bit about it, right? Education, healthcare, jobs, debt.

[00:38:45]This is why Republicans, women, female Republicans are not entering.

[00:38:52]The reason why is because this is what Rachel is focused on. She's not focused on those other topics that I just brought up. I think a lot of people are.

[00:38:59]It's an uninspiring ideology that you have.

[00:39:02]>> Talking about >> I'm talking about your ideology. I'm talking about >> I'm talking about your ideology and the reason why I think you've made it very clear to everybody what your ideology is. I think it's very clear what you think women should be doing. Um so I listen >> as I've said >> having families with good men who protect them and take care of them. Yes, I think that's great. And what if a woman and what? Absolutely not. What would you say to a woman that hasn't found the right man? She's in her mid-30s. What should she do?

[00:39:33]>> Go to church.

[00:39:34]>> Go to church. Yeah, that's So, you think church will help her find?

[00:39:37]>> I think she could find a good man in church.

[00:39:38]>> But there are women out there, 30s, 40s that haven't found the right man.

[00:39:43]>> Well, is it that they haven't found the right man or is it that they've been through about 50 men and haven't >> You shouldn't talk about yourself like that, Rachel. Uh, I've been with a handful, like less than five. So, uh, no, I'm talking >> without feminism, you would not have been allowed to to to break up with those men, right? Would you agree with that? I didn't.

[00:40:01]>> You weren't married to any other men.

[00:40:02]>> I was, but I didn't initiate.

[00:40:04]>> 100 years ago, you wouldn't have been able to to divorce them, right?

[00:40:06]>> I didn't divorce them. I was abandoned by an abusive person.

[00:40:11]>> Okay. So, 100 years ago, you wouldn't have been able to.

[00:40:13]>> Yes, you would have. I just told you that in the year 1900, 55,700 divorces were granted to women who were in abusive marriages. So yes, I would have.

[00:40:22]And by the way, one more thing. I would be able to be here without feminism.

[00:40:26]This is a very stupid, silly rebuttal.

[00:40:28]Yes, Mary Wolf. Yes, the anti-suffragists were having public debates against suffragists in 1848. You dumbass. I understand that.

[00:40:36]>> So women were allowed to speak publicly.

[00:40:39]Women have always been allowed to speak.

[00:40:41]They've been allowed to write books. And they have been allowed to be part of the public discourse even far before they could vote. He is ignorant and doesn't know his history. I hate to do this but we really do have to transition. I hate to do it but we do have to as we are limited on time as we've already gone >> call me a dumbass but okay go ahead >> for the cross section. I guess I can't respond to that.

[00:40:59]>> And just well, someone has to have the last word during the open dialogue.