This discussion highlights the uncomfortable gap between academic social theory and the performative commodification of systemic trauma. It ultimately serves as a reminder that viral media often prioritizes the spectacle of conflict over genuine structural solutions.
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Does Adam Know Black Culture? Charleston White & Adam INTENSE ArgumentAjouté :
So, I come in the era where we heard about get the man, attack the man, falling slipping the man stove, play on the man. The gangbanging [ __ ] didn't come to '89-'90. By that time we already got a foundation. So, gangbanging is not in our hearts. So, that's easy for us to quit after so long.
>> But, isn't gangbanging just a response to being in extremely dangerous conditions in which you need to group up with other people in order to do battle with other groups of people?
>> Then, why didn't the slaves gangbang?
Probably just wasn't really available to them as an option, right? They were [ __ ] slaves. Well, well, based off what you just said, don't you need other people to group up with other people to fight other people? So, once we became free in the '90s >> slave rebellions, right?
>> there were very few. Yeah, but it was because they're oppressed, they have no weapons, they have no money. So, once we got free and got weapons, why didn't we group up in gangs then?
I mean, they were probably more focused on assimilating into the culture that they had just gained their freedom from.
>> they never assimilated. They couldn't.
Well, they probably thought that it was more accessible than they ended up being. They never thought that. My grandmother's 80 years old, she never told me they thought that. She's still alive. My grand my [clears throat] my pops is almost eight, he they never thought that.
>> But, why did your grandparents not group up and do [snorts] gang war?
>> because it's never been about getting in the game. Mhm. It's about building your family. But, when we say gangs, we think about gangs fighting against each other, not like fighting against the people that are controlling them.
>> Uh should we do? When I when I think of gangs in New York, those people fought against each other, not with white people, Italians, uh Irish, uh yeah, they weren't black.
>> But, they were way and they were way more dangerous and violent than these today's gangs. Don't you think about that so much of that is because it's like we accept the structures within our societies, and most of us don't really feel as if we have the power to control the society we live in.
>> people do not accept the structures of society. That's why we go to jail for committing uh uh uh financial crimes.
That's why when we go to school, we don't pay attention in class. That's why we go to ISS. That's why we get kicked off the football team because we don't fit into the structure. We don't we we have way more power. That's why we sell dope when the white man say we can't sell dope. That's why we pimp and go across the state line when he say don't.
So, we have the power to do whatever we want to do. Mhm. They have the power, but it's like most of us don't really think about the world as if we're going to be able to just commit crimes until we change the social order.
>> Shoot Shoot Shoot Shoot Shoot Shoot Shoot Shoot Shoot Shoot Shoot Shoot Shoot Shoot Shoot Shoot Shoot Shoot Shoot Shoot We got music that teach us ball till you fall.
>> that the opposite of what we're talking about? You're talking about falling until you die.
>> well, you're trying to make sense of people who don't have sense. And I'm saying no, our people had greater sense than what you're trying to give them forward, don't you think? No, our people thought greater. They built Black Wall Street.
>> that people who don't have sense?
>> Our people built Black Wall Street.
Gangbangers don't have sense. They can't build nothing. They can't manufacture nothing. We could Black people created some of the things that that that's mostly been invented from the stoplight to cotton gin. What you mean? We didn't think to create gangs. We thought to be free under worse conditions. Mhm. So, we're So, we're So, we don't We're We're under better conditions. We're freer.
Why would we join gangs and they didn't?
Mhm.
I don't know. I mean, there are a lot of a lot of minority groups in our country that didn't really like gravitate towards the whole gang thing. But then there's a lot of non-Black groups that did. The mafia Uh well, we never had a mafia because we don't want to be gangsters. Gangsters extort themselves.
Black people never extorted one another.
Mhm. We had a community.
>> LA kind of known for extorting one another.
>> well, uh before gangs started. You got to think all the Black people that came from the South to build Watts, Watts, California. All them vibrant Black towns, all them vibrant Black places in LA before gangbanging started. Why them people didn't gangbang and it was vibrant here then? Yeah. No, that's a good question for sure.
>> why? Because their children didn't have a struggle. The gangbanging children didn't come from gangbanging because they was impoverished conditions.
They could walk the neighborhoods and go get a apple off the tree. Mhm.
But don't you think that the gang [ __ ] is like a reaction to just feeling hopeless in your life in general, not necessarily that you're being like violently oppressed on a day-to-day basis. No, when I look at them [ __ ] in prison and they join the gangs and they fighting and what they fighting about in jail, catching fades, they don't look hopeless. When they on here talking about how they live their gangbanging life, they don't look hopeless. They seem like they're bragging about it. They got pride in it.
They got love for it.
>> I go to the hood and I see like, you know, a group of 16-year-old kids sitting around in an alley just like waiting for somebody to come through so they could shoot at their car, these are people who feel hopeless. They feel as if there's no cover college career path for them. There's no way that they're going to be able to go get a high-paying job, be able to make six figures a year.
>> had So, have you done a qualitative study to talk to them and see why? I mean, this is obviously anecdotal, but these people don't really pursue those opportunities. I'm telling you why.
>> saying obviously from some kids sitting in the you saying alleyway waiting to shoot at a car. Why they're not robbing a bank?
Uh If they're hopeless, WHY THEY'RE NOT ROBBING A BANK? PROBABLY cuz they just view that as being like a very low small chance of success.
>> guy that's selling weed? Why not be breaking into a house? They probably do do that. So, so breaking houses, that's very common. So, so, so, so, why sitting in the alley waiting to shoot at nobody?
Why not go get a job?
>> Well, if you're part of being in a gang, you got to protect your area, right?
>> No, that's I've never heard that, ever.
>> For real? I've never heard that. I mean, the mother are patrolling for that purpose.
>> No, no, no. They're they're patrolling to extort each other. Uh I would say more often than not they're patrolling to just protect the block. So, so, so, so, how about this? How about you wake up and go spend some time with those 16-year-old kids. See what condition that their home life is. See what they do when they wake up in the morning and tell me how hopeless they is if they got a phone.
>> Well, I kind of know what they do cuz >> [laughter] >> they hang out in the neighborhood. Well, well, you sound like most typical arrogant white man that try to look from [ __ ] from up there. See, you didn't grow up there out here to really know.
You're making speculations. Well, I'm I'm making observations based on my life experience like we all are.
>> well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, your life experience don't fit into the black spectrum because you're looking from afar with binoculars. It's not the same. Well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, to When When When the last time you sat at a black table and ate black food? Uh In a black household.
>> been to restaurants with black people.
>> [laughter] >> I didn't ask you a restaurant.
>> We We don't go over to people's houses out here. There There There you go. So, you don't know [ __ ] You don't know black people. You don't know Yes. Yes. Yes. If you don't go into a person's home or person's village, how can you know their culture?
>> In LA, we don't really go to people's houses.
>> LA ain't black. It's Mexican. We have a lot of Mexicans. We have a lot of blacks, too. Yeah. So, so, so, so, basically, what I'm saying here you really don't know black people just listening and talking to >> Just cuz I haven't been to their house to eat dinner?
>> No, no, no, no. So, we can't just like go to Denny's? Mhm.
Well, well, well, this is what I'm saying.
Uh you say observation, but where are you observing from?
Going to people's neighborhoods, doing vlogs and [ __ ] >> you go. So, you you you go into their neighborhood and you figure these guys is hopeless, but they got their cameras on. It's not like I think they are hopeless. I think they feel hopeless.
>> No, they don't feel hopeless. They feel good. They feel high because most guys are high. Most guys are on drugs. And when you get drunk and you get high, the hopeless that you feel goes away. I mean, if you're a 16-year-old kid smoking weed and numbing yourself all day >> hopeless. You're You're not helpless.
You're having fun. You're having fun.
You're having fun. Most Most kids are experimental.
>> Yeah, but you're having fun in the moment by doing something that's kind of separating you from the more long-term opportunities.
>> getting high, guys.
>> Right. If you start talking to the first girl you meet in high school, you're not probably on the path to becoming a lawyer, right?
>> Well, that has nothing to do with you coming on the path to becoming a lawyer.
You're not hopeless if you're getting high every day. For one, you got money to get high. So, how can you be hopeless and you got money to get high?
>> There's a lot of ways to get high that are pretty inexpensive.
>> Well, if you can get high, you're not hopeless. You're doing what you want to do. I would say getting high makes you leaves you just as hopeless as you would be otherwise.
>> When you're hopeless, suicide is on the option, not getting high. Mhm. When you're hopeless, suicide is on the option, not getting high. Getting high is for recreational >> of drugs are kind of like suicide, right?
If you start doing fentanyl every day, isn't the end result you dying?
>> some [ __ ] going to get high every day with fentanyl. They want the fentanyl just going to make them die and come back to life like Michael Jackson was doing every night. Right.
>> Michael Jackson was loving doing that purple pole going and coming back. If some [ __ ] want the heroin and go almost called overdose. Why? That's where they going to go buy it from. They want the deadly dope. And it ain't cuz you're depressed and hopeless. You want to feel good. This what you like to do.
You enjoy the feeling. Come on, man.
It's called choices and decisions. Your conditions don't determine your choices.
>> But but a rational father is not going to sit around and do Percocets all day because he feels like he has an opportunity and he has important things to do. Those are the things that stop people from just sitting around doing drugs all day.
>> some guys get high every day and get up and go to work. I know some white boys shoot dope, do percs, smoke crack, do cocaine, and they're the best goddamn lawyers you can find. So I do know some fathers get high every day. I know some mothers come home from teaching school, feed the kids, cool, get high and drunk every day, and she's a loving mother.
>> But isn't the kid or the career a reason to not get that high? It's hard to be a good dad if you get [ __ ] up every day.
>> get up loaded. We watched a real-life movie of a airplane where Denzel Washington was a pilot getting high every day. Turned the plane upside down, land the [ __ ] perfect, then got high to go to THE COURTROOM.
>> FLIGHT. REAL-LIFE [ __ ] Snakes on a Plane. No no no no no. THIS IS A REAL-LIFE STORY.
>> FLIGHT. IT'S A REAL-LIFE STORY OF A REAL PILOT WHO WENT to jail, served time, GOT HIGH, GOT high again to get normal.
It's some people have to operate in their normalcy getting high, and they are functional with this.
Functional. I've I've I've been smoking weed but we we're not talking about you, though. We're not talking about I didn't spend most of my life smoking weed.
>> you've been smoking a lot of weed since you've been successful, right? I've been smoking weed, yeah, since I've been successful. And you've been able to manage it. However, I somehow think that if you started snorting fentanyl every day that you'd probably have a harder time managing it.
>> I know people that snort fit, no. I know people that get high. And and those are the probably the people who are able to do it to some sort of level that isn't going to destroy their life.
>> such thing that you learn if you understand alcoholism and drug addiction. There There's such thing as functional addicts. Most people are functional addicts.
>> So, uh yeah. Even functional fentanyl?
Yeah. Yeah. You could do a reasonable amount. And a lot of people don't know I I I think I would have a hard time doing this job if I was doing fentanyl every day, but I could probably work at Amazon.
>> most fentanyl addicts die in a short period of time. Yeah. Uh Kodak Black name ain't dead yet. He said he [ __ ] with the fake percs. It's fentanyl and everything.
It's fentanyl and everything. So, any hard drugs you doing, [ __ ] I know [ __ ] been doing hard drugs 40, 50 years. Mhm. Yeah, that's why you never see a crackhead ever die.
I ain't seen I ain't seen a fentanyl [ __ ] die yet.
>> they die, nobody really cares that much, right?
>> I ain't I ain't found a [ __ ] die of fentanyl yet. I don't know one person that I can personally say, "Yeah, they had a overdose of fentanyl." And I know [ __ ] pop pills like crazy.
>> plenty of them. I know plenty of >> any. All them [ __ ] my homies.
>> rappers on this podcast. Little P died from taking fake xans. Yeah, yeah. I call [ __ ] On [ __ ] Yeah, yeah.
I said he died of diabetes.
>> [laughter] >> I call [ __ ]
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