What Self-Hate Actually Looks Like. 'Black British' Is Not An Identity. Live Discussion Vol.6.2

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[00:00:00]I I think people have to be really mindful about what happens psychologically to someone who experienced certain things as a child uh when they become an adult because what it would take for someone to deny being what they ethnically are and pretending to be a completely different communities ethnic group. It would take a lot of trauma and psychological warfare to end up doing some like that because the guy that did um Jacen and Jamaican culture and upset Jamaican heritage Brits and Jamaicans in Jamaica. He did not want to apologize. He said, you know, people get offended for just dropping your hat nowadays. He said >> about the way that Jamaican culture is portrayed when people, I guess, mock Jamaican culture quite often. They dawn a dreadlock wig. I mean, Peter dons this in the film. Do you understand why Jamaicans and Caribbean people alike might be offended by this? You know what? I think we're we're in a time where a lot of people are offended by I mean you could drop your hat and people are offended. Um the Jamaican motto out of many is one people and then mentions the Jamaican motto. It says he's Charles half Jamaican. But then in another post he says, "Oh, I was the biggest Jamaican." And then it's him like he's like rapping but in Jama Jamaican PWA.

[00:01:22]God of his mercy.

[00:01:39]and and he he used to pretend to be Jamaican. And I'm like, yeah, to do that though and then make a film that upset Jamaican heritage people and Jamaican people in general, that's resentment.

[00:01:50]That's how I see it. I think it turns into something that people don't want to acknowledge. Yeah. No, black love. Um, you're right. This is the thing. Like he on one of the tricks my used was he said, "Oh, I'm I'm I'm Sudes." And then people said, "Oh, okay. He's black.

[00:02:04]They're just like, "No, you know, THEY HAVE AN ARAB. THEY HAVE ARABS IN IT."

[00:02:08]SO, HE SAY, he said he's African.

[00:02:11]>> He said he's African. So, he can rap He can rap the Africanamean way. He can rap the Africanamean way because he say African. He He literally said, "I'm an African American." That's that [ __ ] That's that [ __ ] I think the thing is like the the identifiers the the ethnic and racial identifiers in America are very unique to America in that like you know Arabs come under white in America and then like black uh seems to cover everyone including like uh what you guys call biracial people and stuff like that like in the UK it's very uh distinct. Do you know what I mean?

[00:02:48]But let me let me bring in some more people. Okay. So, uh, Robin, uh, stick around cuz someone might have wanted to meet you. I don't even know. Mrs. Mrs. Beautiful.

[00:02:57]>> Hi.

[00:02:59]>> Hi. What's your ethnic background and where are you based, >> guys? Um, tap on the screen and send me uh, roses cuz you know I love flowers, donuts. I do like donuts when I get home cuz I'm going to be sitting here for a while. I like bunny rabbits and galaxies. Those are my favorite things.

[00:03:15]Okay. Um, yeah. Go ahead, Mrs. Beautiful. So I'm second generation British.

[00:03:22]>> Yes.

[00:03:22]>> You get you understand I say second generation.

[00:03:25]>> Yeah.

[00:03:27]>> Okay. So my grandparents came over here reinwash. So I'm definitely Caribbean but I was born here so I'm British right.

[00:03:36]>> Hello. Can you hear me?

[00:03:37]>> And I totally >> I totally understand what you're saying with the whole pandemic African thing because we are totally different.

[00:03:48]Caribbean Caribbe people born in Britain raised by Caribbean parents or Caribbean grandparents just by the way how we live our values how we reason religion everything is different compared to the Africans that are migrating to the UK now.

[00:04:08]>> Yeah.

[00:04:09]So I if I fill out a form like I give you an example. I went to I'm type two diabetes and I went to the um doctors and automatically she was like oh what ethnicity are you? And I said oh I'm Caribbean and she automatically felt like all I eat is white rice and hard food.

[00:04:33]>> Do you understand what?

[00:04:35]>> Yeah. automatically felt that all I eat is rice and hard food. Whereas in if a Nigerian goes, they would automatically think all they eat is pounded yam and jol of rice.

[00:04:48]>> Yeah.

[00:04:49]>> So, and I give you an example. Yeah.

[00:04:52]Because my kids are Nigerian and that was one of the most >> Nigerian but you're are you Jamaican heritage?

[00:04:59]>> Yeah, I'm Jamaican heritage. I got Triny in me. I've got Gy. So, I'm Caribbean.

[00:05:04]>> Caribbe. Okay. got you. And then you so your kids half Caribbean, mix of Caribbean and that's fully Nigerian.

[00:05:13]>> So why do you call your child Nigerian if they're mixed with two different um well different ethnic groups altogether?

[00:05:22]>> Because I think I tend to have that feeling is the kid is what their dad is.

[00:05:27]>> Hey. Oh >> really?

[00:05:31]>> Yeah. So >> why why do you feel When I do fill forms out, when I do fill forms out for them, I do put black British African and black British Caribbean. So, they know they're both, >> right? Okay.

[00:05:45]>> But the reason the reason I'm asking, right, is because I I'm just I focus on like what the person just is, right? So, we had a few weeks ago, we had a Jamaican man who's got a child with an Angolan woman and he he's saying, "Well, his child is Jamaican." And I said, "Well, you trials Jamaican and Angolan."

[00:06:06]He was like, "Yeah, but like I'm I'm the dad and they're raising a Jamaica." And I said, "Yeah, but it doesn't change the fact that they're ethnically half of something else, right? Just like a mixed race person, if their dad is is white, like Bob Marley's got a white dad, but he's not a white man, right? He's he's mixed race. He's half and half. He's equally both things." Um, so I find it interesting when people kind of say, "No, no, no. the child is just one thing when they're a mixture of things. Like we had an a Nigerian, no he wasn't Nigerian. I can't remember if he was Nigerian or Ghanaian. He had a child with an English British Welsh woman, right? A white a white Welsh woman. And he wanted his daughters essentially to just identify with being like Welsh and not being half Garnan. I I find it fascinating. I don't know. It's like if you're if you're just both, then you're just both, you know. But anyway, go ahead.

[00:07:05]>> So, yeah. So, my we my kids identify with both.

[00:07:09]>> But, um, this is where I'm going to say where it gets diff different. So, in Nigerian culture, a child is supposed to bow down and greet their elders, right?

[00:07:19]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:07:20]>> You know, me as a Jamaican that nan that naon.

[00:07:24]>> Yeah.

[00:07:26]I'm being dis I'm being I'm I'm being disrespectful if I tell them not to do it right.

[00:07:33]>> Yeah.

[00:07:33]>> And then they have the habit of calling everybody uncle auntie. No, >> we don't call everybody uncle auntie.

[00:07:40]>> Only close people who who we know fit that role. But we do show respect and we'll say Mrs. June or Miss You get me?

[00:07:49]But they just see it as no everybody's uncle. No, I'm I'm not teaching my pity to call them everybody uncle, auntie because then they're going to put it in their head that oh um they can trust that per No, you don't you don't know that person. You don't know them. Just because you see them at church or at a random party doesn't make them your family cuz auntie and uncles are that's a name for family whereas then they don't do that. So there was conflicts all the time. But what I'm saying is I don't feel like ever since this whole new generation of Africans have Africans, say Africans have come over here, they are trying to water down Caribbean culture and make it out like us British Caribbeans don't know.

[00:08:41]>> How's that possible?

[00:08:42]>> No, they do.

[00:08:43]>> Hold on, Lucy. I'll come to you in a bit. Go ahead.

[00:08:46]>> I'm I'm from I'm from South. Yeah, I'm from South where Jamaicans used to used to run the place. We was everywhere.

[00:08:56]>> It's not like that no more. Like in schools, kids are getting teased for being Jamaican. That has never happened.

[00:09:04]>> What schools did what? How do you get teased for being Jamaican?

[00:09:09]>> Oh, you get teased for being Jamaican.

[00:09:11]And remember now there's a now there's a generation of a lot of kids as you said they're half half Jamaican half Nigerian half Nigerian half truni they get picked on a lot >> by who?

[00:09:24]>> By the by the so-called originals who know how to speak the language.

[00:09:29]>> I'm half I never got picked on.

[00:09:31]>> Yeah I'm >> just I'm just I'm just telling you what's happening now.

[00:09:37]And you will always get to make se feel separated especially if you don't understand their language.

[00:09:45]>> Mad.

[00:09:47]>> But most Africans that are born they can't even understand their language anyways.

[00:09:52]>> Exactly. So how does that even make sense?

[00:09:53]>> Like what >> you can say that because you're very much British.

[00:10:00]Go to have you been to have you have you ever been to your homeland? I'm telling you how the Jamaica who practically lived in Nigeria, >> they're not >> everywhere. They're not friendly.

[00:10:12]>> As in they're not friendly.

[00:10:14]>> That's not true.

[00:10:15]>> The only time the only time Nigerians are friendly are when you have money.

[00:10:19]>> Well, have you never been to It's a corrupt country, babe. Of course, they're going to want money. They have money.

[00:10:22]>> No, but see, this is the thing. This is the thing with the Caribbean. You can go to the Caribbean and always >> Well, I can go to Haiti and they're going to welcome you with open arms.

[00:10:30]They don't even have a president.

[00:10:32]Like that's natural countries in the Caribbean and you always feel welcome.

[00:10:38]>> You're Jamaians are getting bullied in South. That is crazy. Like what? No, but they are >> JJ making me laugh. I was just talking.

[00:10:47]>> OKAY, HOLD ON. ALL RIGHT, hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

[00:10:49]>> Can I say one thing? Can I say one thing?

[00:10:51]>> Yeah. One second, Luchi. All right, I'm going to come to you. Let me just go IN ORDER. OKAY, KANDAKI, GO AHEAD. LET EVERYONE KNOW your ethnic background and where you're based. Oh, sorry. Kandaki, just one second. Mrs. Beautiful. Are you a Panaffrican in school or no?

[00:11:04]>> No.

[00:11:05]>> No. Okay, cool. Taki, go ahead. Let everyone know your ethnic background and where you're based.

[00:11:12]>> Yeah, I'm British Jamaican. I'm based in Handsworth, UK. Yeah, >> so that's where I'm from. I'm biased. Go ahead, Kaki.

[00:11:23]>> Yeah, I want to respond to um Oskins, but it's okay. He's gone now. So, yeah.

[00:11:27]So, I'll just wait.

[00:11:28]>> Oh. Oh, that's annoying. Ask Asins if you were still here. Ask uh request back up so that Kandaki can uh address you.

[00:11:38]Okay. If you're still here, if is still here, try and come back up. All right.

[00:11:42]Kandaki, stick around. Um Luchi, >> go ahead. Luchi, your ethnic background and where you're based.

[00:11:50]>> Okay. I'm Nigerian English. Well, Nigerian British, whatever. Essics. I'm based in Essics.

[00:11:56]>> Okay, cool. Go ahead.

[00:11:58]>> What? I'm just struggling to understand.

[00:12:00]Yeah. Is there's like a big notion that like let me sorry I got a cold.

[00:12:06]There's this big there's this big notion that like Nigerians and Africans just came here last week. Like my family, we came here like kind of like along with like the Wimrush generation during that time and there was a thing where the British people are saying, "Oh yeah, you can come like um get education, come to university, you know, there was just a thing going on like but this is not this was like after what I think my family came here like the 50s ' 60s type of timing.

[00:12:32]>> I'm like a fourth third generation, I'm not really sure, fourth, third generation Nigerian that's British." And I always hear stuff of like Caribbean saying like we're watering down their culture. How can we when we're like we're in the UK? Like I I just don't really understand that. I don't understand that point. I feel like we're in the UK together. There's even like we're black and we're British. We have that in common. I didn't really understand the idea that Africans can come and water down Caribbean culture. I I just don't get that. And I joined >> Is that a question for me?

[00:13:00]>> Yeah. And I joined here um first of all cuz of that weird man that was saying, "Oh, Africans haven't done nothing.

[00:13:06]Africans aren't this. Africans aren't that."

[00:13:09]>> Africans were very American guys.

[00:13:11]>> Yeah. Africans were very much panic pan-Africans like Africans were very much well it's just a lot of lot to do with like colonial stuff why we are the way we are today but I feel like we're just so uneducated but yeah you carry on with my question for you how are um Africans watering down Caribbean culture in the UK >> okay is it your first time being on the live or watching the live >> yep >> okay that means I have to go to day one okay cool so a few weeks ago I uh went into a live and usually I follow Caribbean heritage content, Caribbean heritage British content on Tik Tok. There's usually chats going on with Caribbean people, uh Caribbean heritage people talking about internal issues and policies and stuff like that.

[00:13:59]So I usually join them. I went on to one that had the Jamaican flag on it. When I went into it, it was about a sensitive issue pertaining to Jamaicans, right?

[00:14:09]and I was hearing people disparage Jamaican people.

[00:14:13]So I went up to respond to the disrespect. Um, and the people, it was two guys that were getting very hot and very loud and very rowdy. Uh, which you know, many are very quick to do when it's a female. H uh, but anyway, they were very loud and very rowdy and I gave it back. But then one of them says, "Listen, I'm Nigerian." Yeah, but at THE END OF THE day and I cut him and I said, "You mean to tell me you're not even Caribbean?"

[00:14:45]And he was like, "That's the context."

[00:14:47]Like what you were talking about. I'm cookies. What was it? What were they saying?

[00:14:50]>> We were talking about something to do with Jamaican people specifically. It was a Jamaican prompt with a Jamaican flag and it looked as though it was for Jamaican people.

[00:15:00]These people didn't say what they were until I got into it with them. I'm not going to go into the actual issue itself.

[00:15:08]>> What point are we what point are we rising from this? What point are we rising?

[00:15:12]>> Like, >> so did YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER YOUR question or no?

[00:15:14]>> No, I'm just trying to understand cuz genuinely like if you can't tell me what they said, then it's like >> talking about Caribbean.

[00:15:20]>> If I finish the story, then you'd hear what they said.

[00:15:22]>> Okay.

[00:15:25]>> Okay.

[00:15:27]Okay. So, as the conversation continues, the man says, "I'm Nigerian. I can say what I want cuz I've got Jamaican friends." I said, "No, you can't. I don't care if you've got Jamaican friends." And the conversation went into Jamaican women being [ __ ] and the the baby mom and baby father culture and Jamaican women can't keep their legs closed and this is why there's platonic fraud in Jamaica and and it's disgusting and this that and the third.

[00:15:53]So I said, first of all, you're not Jamaican and you're here. you're here having this conversation and this is what you've got to say. Then there was another guy that was really really loud. I didn't find out what he was until he came on my response live. But the guy said, "Listen, uh, I can say what I want because the host isn't Jamaican either and this that and the first." So I said, "Oh, so you none of you guys are Jamaican. None of you guys are Caribbean and you're here hosting a conversation about Jamaicans." Okay, I'm going to leave. I don't I don't discuss sensitive issues with people outside of my community. I don't think anyone else.

[00:16:33]>> So hold on. So then what ends up happening now is I did a response live and my life was for my community. So I said to Jamaican people, Jamaican heritage people in Britain, Caribbean heritage people in Britain, do we need to start gatekeeping? Because there are people that feel that they CAN JUST GET INVOLVED IN conversations cuz apparently our thing is just that open for all. And because we're so welcoming now it means to some people that they can just do what they want. Can say what they want.

[00:17:02]This guy said he's got Jamaican friends.

[00:17:03]He can say what he wants. He's got a friend who's half Jamaican or some [ __ ] He can say what he wants.

[00:17:08]>> Same same with the dude that made Jamaican. He's he's got a half Jamaican child. He can he can do what he wants.

[00:17:13]Even though he offended Jamaican heritage people and Jamaican people in Jamaica. Now, one of the guys from that live came on, denied the [ __ ] he was saying. He says he's got an A. And I said, "Okay, so you weren't Jamaican either." I said, "What motivated you lot to go on to something for Caribbean people, right, and start disparaging Caribbean people?" BEARING IN MIND THE PROMPT was for Caribbean people on my live, my response live. And I was talking to Jamaican heritage people. Do we need to gatekeep? The amount of West African people that came onto my life that was for Caribbean people to tell me what they think about what we should do or what we shouldn't do to say you guys don't have a culture to gatekeep anyway.

[00:17:56]You don't even have a language.

[00:17:58]>> Well, you do because I feel like I've actually got the whole I just want to say I just want to interject. I just want to interject slightly. Literally like I promise you it's going to be very respectful. It's going to make sense, you know, just lay ease in. Okay. So, what I'm hearing here, the whole situation we're just giving like rude men, which is not really that's kind of that's not something that's new. And my thing in this is saying I don't really see the correlation between them talking about Caribbean women being promiscuous, which is a horrible thing to say, and gatekeeping Caribbean culture, especially when you think of being black British in general.

[00:18:38]>> Gatekeeping what >> I said, do we need to gay keep against this kind of disrespect and keep against a kind of disrespect? That's not the thing.

[00:18:48]>> I feel like you keep talking over me.

[00:18:50]No, but that's not like a thing.

[00:18:51]>> No, but you're talking over me.

[00:18:54]>> So, so this will go one of two ways.

[00:18:57]>> Okay.

[00:18:58]>> Well, we'll keep it respectful.

[00:18:59]>> I don't I just want to know what's gatekeeping like to gatekeepers like let's gatekeep our culture. Let's like keep something away from someone.

[00:19:07]>> But if I'm do you want me to respond or no?

[00:19:11]>> Okay, you can respond. Just explain like what to g I said they keep the culture.

[00:19:16]She said that's not what she means.

[00:19:17]Sorry, I'm replying to the comments. You can carry on.

[00:19:20]Okay. So, I didn't say gay keep the culture. I said again gatekeep against disrespect and keep private matters, certain internal issues, internal topics, political stuff to ourselves for ourselves to talk about if it's not affecting anybody else. That was what the prompt was about and that's what we were talking about. But that didn't matter because there was so many people that were of West African backgrounds that didn't even like the concept of us gatekeeping. We had people come through with West African accents saying they were Jamaican to say, "No, you shouldn't gatekeep." We had people come through and say, "You guys don't have anything to gatekeep." We had people come through and say, "You don't even have a language. Your language is Nigerian pigeon. You don't have a language as Jamaican people." THE AMOUNT OF DISRESPECT THAT flooded my live stream that was targeted towards my own community highlighted that there was a problem that I didn't even realize was as intense as it actually was. When I started sticking it on people, the response to that was, "No, NO, NO, WE'RE ALL WE'RE ALL BLACK BRITISH AT THE END OF THE DAY. STOP BEING ANTI-AFRICAN." I said, "Ah, SO NOW WE'RE ALL BLACK BRITISH." SO THE BLACK BRITISH WHEN I RESPOND to disrespect. But when you're being disrespectful and you're disparaging Caribbean heritage people, that's not a problem at all. That's not divisive. It's nothing of the kind.

[00:20:46]We're not black British then. Right.

[00:20:49]That then led to other conversations around what is black British as a culture? Seeing as people like saying that there's a Nigerian guy that's made a documentary about what black British culture is. And he just listed off a bunch of Caribbean heritage culture. So then I said, "There's something else going on here." There were people that said, "No, Cody, what you're saying isn't true. No one's saying the stuff that you're saying they said about your community." I said, "Cool, I'm going to start posting this shit." And I have.

[00:21:13]People don't like it. But there is constantly people There are constantly people that are of different West African backgrounds. And unfortunately, for the most part, the majority have been Nigerian that have come on to say some crazy [ __ ] about Caribbean people.

[00:21:29]Now granted there've been a minority and I mean a minority there've been two Nigerian people I can think of off the top of my head someone who's ang South African so that I mean that's different but the person who is Liverpool and the person who is Irish who are both Nigerian have been very honest about what's been going on about what they've seen about Caribbean heritage culture and the influence of Caribbean heritage culture in the UK on what people are now calling so-called black British identity, which isn't a thing, right, as a culture, and they've acknowledged that. But when I've talked about it with most people who have been from West African backgrounds, they've said, "No, THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT CARIBBEAN HERITAGE. THAT'S THAT'S JUST BLACK.

[00:22:13]THAT'S JUST BLACK UK. THAT'S JUST UK, BLACK BRITISH." I'm like, "No, it's not.

[00:22:18]You're talking to me about grime. You're talking to me about jungle."

[00:22:22]>> In all of those um things, black Africans had a big part in them as well.

[00:22:26]>> Black Africans were there, too, babe.

[00:22:28]No, >> not really. No.

[00:22:30]>> Skeptor, Stormy, J.

[00:22:33]>> Foundational to grind.

[00:22:35]>> I'm talking about the pioneers of grime are literally Nigerians and their other ethnicities.

[00:22:42]And I'm young. I weren't there. So, I can't tell you everybody. But like Africans and Nigerians are completely >> here's what's going to happen. If people keep talking over me, the whole get I feel like it's good for someone to talk and someone to talk after. The foundation of guy music is true.

[00:22:59]>> Yeah. What about the foundation of Funky House? What about the foundation of all the other stuff? You guys, >> apparently people can't hear. I' I've been very clear. You've seen how this has gone for a long time. I've been on for a couple of hours now. If you disrespect me, drop. Simple as that.

[00:23:13]This ain't your show. It's mine. So, if you come on here and talk over me, then it just gets annoying really fast and then I have to lock you off. It's very simple. I let people speak and then when I want to interject, I will. That's just how this goes. So anyway, in response to that point, this whole no but skeptical was there and this person was there. I don't care who was there. The genre is what the genre is. It was birthed by who it was birthed by and created by who it was created by. That whole grime was created by WY whose Caribbean heritage.

[00:23:45]Clash culture that comes from Jamaica.

[00:23:48]Clashing was the was the the staple of grime that comes from Jamaica. It is Caribbean heritage. German bass is Caribbean heritage in influence. That's just what that is. So people cannot say it to me now. Yeah, but this person who's West African learned it, right?

[00:24:06]And then got famous from it and so therefore they're part of the No, that's not how it works. I've seen Skeptor in his clashes and the boy keeps talking Jamaican PWA in his clashes. Now, I think if it's going to be a West African thing, then you need to make it a West African thing. But it wasn't. So, I'm not giving credit to a West African person that learned the art form. I don't care. It's just not going to happen. Moving on. Um B, WHAT'S YOUR ETHNIC background and where are you based?

[00:24:36]>> You hear me?

[00:24:37]>> Yeah.

[00:24:39]>> Okay. All right. I'm a black American from uh from the US and uh I was coming on to like tell you like me personally I didn't even know like because a lot of times you'll hear like certain things about I'll hear certain things about like how um over there how y'all have like British culture and X Y and Z but I also hear like how a lot of like British people will literally say like oh black American don't have culture over here.

[00:25:11]So, I will just come around to like talk about >> people, >> excuse me.

[00:25:16]>> What British people?

[00:25:17]>> Just like black British people. Like I don't know like when they're talking I don't know if they're Nigerian. I don't know if they're Jamaican. I I don't know.

[00:25:25]>> Yeah. So like seen I've actually seen that the people that I have the people that I have seen do that um on like podcasts specifically like people I've seen do stuff like that have been West African but I'm yet to see Caribbean heritage Brits do it. If they do do it then they're stupid. It's as simple as that.

[00:25:50]Um when I have seen it though it specifically it has been like West African people like there was a podcast it went viral cuz uh when Kendrick Lamar did that performance at the Super Bowl this Nigerian British girl uh went viral for saying oh I don't care about the politics. Why couldn't they just focus on performing? Like I don't need to see the political [ __ ] with Kendrick. And I was just like yeah um that's a black American thing. They're doing their political [ __ ] It's nothing to do with you. But again, that was a Nigerian girl, so I don't know. But anyway, go ahead. What's your question?

[00:26:23]>> No, but I was just like I was just saying like I didn't know that there was like this discourse like like um oh like there taking or you feel like or some people might feel like it's being erased or it's not being seen like how it should be. I didn't even know that was over there. So that that's what I'm coming on to say like like for example the other guy, right? He black American like a lot of what he said was true.

[00:26:45]Like so like the same thing is happening here but like on a like I would feel like even on a bigger scale cuz like for example right like Caribbean like Jamaican culture it cannot be like erased entirely because y'all do have your own island your own country of Jamaica. So even though you are um I don't know if you're first or second generation in the UK um you still have Jamaica to be like oh I'm still Jamaican. I still have a place where my culture is there. But like when people come over here and they do the same thing in America, especially a country that that like my people like for literally built built everything all these opportunities for people to even come over here. Like I'm not just saying I'm not saying you and when I say this I don't say everybody. I don't say every Caribbean, every um Jamaican, every Haitian because I have a lot of um Caribbean people in my life. Like for example, my mom is from Miami. I I don't know if you know, but like Miami is a very culturally diverse city. I'm telling you, it's so diverse. So, I I can't say anything negative or or sit up here and talk ignorant about certain people when that's them or other people.

[00:27:57]But what I am saying is that over here, it's not just necessarily an African.

[00:28:02]There'll be a Caribbean person that's saying the same thing about a black American culture. So, a lot of times >> they shouldn't they shouldn't they shouldn't say that. I just want to say that I think um like my thing the thing is this and it >> I'm with with my views unless someone proves me wrong I I stick to my view and if someone does prove me wrong or they they argue a case that I can accept then I'll say yeah like that's right or that's wrong or whatever. I am always going to be like pro Caribbean heritage like always. I don't I don't tolerate disrespect against my community in any shape or form. I just don't I I do not like I will get paid so fast. I promise you. I I genuinely don't. Is if you are having people in the states uh say that black Americans do not have a culture, you are being gaslit.

[00:29:02]And I and I I I can completely accept that because it's not true. It's a lie.

[00:29:08]I think the challenge is this and it um with and I saw the Oh gosh, what was the name of that podcast?

[00:29:15]Uh um the Oh [ __ ] What is it called?

[00:29:20]The up something.

[00:29:23]Uh it was it's a black American podcast.

[00:29:25]All males.

[00:29:28]from >> it had I don't know but it had they had a Nigerian guest and he was it went viral cuz he was saying that black Americans don't have a culture and for whatever flipping reason Jamaicans came up and he also said Jamaicans don't have a culture either.

[00:29:43]>> Jamaicans don't have a culture >> like I I saw that it pissed me off but my thing is um my thing is the reality is that people with cultures that are highly influential >> i.e. uh in this case right black American culture right uh and then in what I'm talking about over here like Caribbean culture and Jamaican culture heavily right when they are highly influential suddenly it becomes everyone's >> and then they don't want to acknowledge that influence like just outside of my window yesterday >> outside my window yesterday guys I'm serious right there was a whole group of Asian people outside my window. I heard them. I heard them. Hey, cuz I said [ __ ] then. Like [ __ ] Then when I was in in in London, freshly moved there. Um I was talking to my my own people. There was a small group of people that I recognized that were West Indian heritage. So obviously I cleaved to them. Right. We're talking and we're speaking PWA and this Asian dude comes up to us and he's like, "Oh, Aoli, is that you picking up the London lingo?" I said, "I'm not speaking London lingo.

[00:30:58]I'm speaking Jamaican pu. That's not London lingo. You guys have just incorporated Jamaican words and then made it slang, but I'm not speaking London lingo." When it becomes influential, then it's everyone's. And then when it becomes everyone's, then people will say, "You don't have a culture." My response to that when I see people say stuff like that with black Americans or Caribbean people is okay if if set group does not have a culture what are you copying then?

[00:31:27]>> Exactly.

[00:31:29]>> Why what are you copying? I think that um it is fair to say that uh and I'll put I'll put my community just because you're American. I will address what you said is happening in the state briefly.

[00:31:43]I think you guys are very very much so uh being gaslighted by people and I think that you're you guys have a very rich culture.

[00:31:53]>> I think you have a very rich culture that people like that people absorb that people like to um act like it's just a normal thing to do. It's just a normal black thing. But you guys have your own [ __ ] and people like it and you guys absolutely have a culture. I won't tolerate disrespect from a black American or anyone else, right? But that's just me in general. But I can acknowledge a fact and the fact is you guys have a culture and it's a beautiful one and people copy it, right? And because people copy it, I think because of how the media presents some of you and stuff like that, there are people that that like to take the piss and just act like your your culture is a free-for-all and it isn't. You've developed a very rich and beautiful culture. You've developed a culture that people like to engage in for different moods. Literally, there's this sound for this mood and this sound for that mood and this and this vibe for this vibe.

[00:32:50]And you guys are very influential. or people like you but don't want to acknowledge it. And so take it from me as a as a British her British person but a Caribbean heritage person. You guys have a culture. I acknowledge that you guys have a culture and it is a culture that's highly influential and people love it but just don't want to acknowledge it. And anyone that says that you guys do not have a culture is full of [ __ ] And all you got to do is just ask them so what are you copying then? Cuz they gaslight you to hell.

[00:33:22]Like I I I I know I know people gas like you guys, but you do. And it's a beautiful culture. It's a beautiful culture.

[00:33:30]>> Yeah. And uh to answer your question, am I a pan Africanist? Um honestly, I would I would say no. Just like how like All right. So like like in the States, yes, that is true. How our ethnicity is our also our um race. So that's why we like a lot of times a lot of people now they're not even acknowledging the African part because similar to y'all we're so disconnected from Africa that it doesn't make sense for us to be called Africans even though we have ancestry that's clear or literally everybody came from Africa but for us to literally be called Africans when we're so far removed and that's just another way that people can absorb what we've had our contributions our struggles and not really go through them but claim everything else that that we have achieved and accomplished. So like so that's why I can't really say I'm a parent African. I don't hate nobody. I wish good for everybody else. But at the end of the day, just like how you were like if anybody distracts my culture, I'm going to feel some type of way. The same thing with me. No matter who it is.

[00:34:35]Yes. Yes. Yes. We are all black people by our skin color and everything, but our culture is different. It's not I I feel like we can all get along. we can all share each other's culture. But >> um and that would be a good thing. But to sit here and just say one is mine because you came from me or we have same ancestry and you're from this continent is wrong. So that's why I cannot be a pan African. I don't have nothing against my hope success for any country anybody black because we do go through struggles everywhere. But to sit here and say that I have to be for all people when when my people are suffering and oppressed here, we have to worry about us first before we can in any way like come together and unify with other people on such a close level.

[00:35:21]>> Yeah, you guys seem to fight for everyone a lot.

[00:35:25]>> You you guys seem to fight for for everyone quite a bit still. I think um I like me and my brother had this conversation like uh a couple weeks back and we were literally like well yeah like the thing is if we went to the states like I've been I've been to Atlanta right >> I I know >> oh nice know the people there were really lovely I can't even lie they were really really sweet um my thing is like if you >> all I think is if I go if I was to move to America right I would know that any privileges and freedoms and comfort that I experience will be as a result of the history, right, of um >> people fighting for liberation over there who are black Americans. I I understand that completely. It's the zero question, right? Um, in the UK, the people that came from the West Indies, including my family, that came during the Wind Rush era between the 1940s and the 1960s, they had to fight for a lot of [ __ ] in the UK, right? So, they came, thank you, Ibrahim, they came to the UK uh because they were asked to. So, they they were asked to come from the West Indies to help rebuild the country after World War II, right? people like Eno Powell who is a a politician um who you may not have heard of who asked for people from the West Indies to come to the UK right and then after everything was said and done he told everyone that they should go back and people were saying they need to go back and he said there'll be rivers of blood right if people don't go back we had signs like no blacks no Irish no dogs right there were there were there were so many fights There was a group called the Teddy Boys. Um they were a violent farright hate group, right? Hated hated uh black people in the UK. Hated um West Indian people. Uh there was the National Front. There were they they would do things like set fire to to pe to uh places where young PEOPLE RESIDED.

[00:37:37]>> THEY'RE BURNING OUR CHILDREN.

[00:37:39]THIS IS all that remains of the three-story house where nearly 100 young West Indians were celebrating at an all night birthday party for two young friends.

[00:37:49]>> That night we were there at the party and for people outside looking in. I mean, you know, maybe they can just imagine.

[00:37:57]>> Just before 6:00 this morning, the singing and dancing gave way to panic as flames shot through the upper floors and screaming teenagers began to leap from the windows. The feeling was that it had been another racist attack.

[00:38:12]Racist attacks were happening on a daily basis in that area.

[00:38:19]>> There had been a great amount of farright activity in Depford.

[00:38:30]>> They attacked the youth clubs. They attacked the Albany center. 3 years ago, the old Albany theater was gutted by fire.

[00:38:38]>> Places of entertainment for black people. There was another firebomb at the Moonshot Youth Club. Both literally a stones throw from 439 New Cross Road.

[00:38:51]>> Children have been burned.

[00:38:53]>> Four teenagers were burned and they they were unalived.

[00:39:00]>> They were unal alived right in a Yeah.

[00:39:02]In a fire. It was done at um there was a little >> Say that again.

[00:39:06]>> We crossed fire. They firebombed while having a party inside.

[00:39:10]>> Yeah. So the girl I think was she >> 16 was her 16th birthday.

[00:39:15]>> Yeah. It was her birthday. They put a fire through the house. She she passed away on her birthday. What? Because she was black. Because she was she was a West Indian person. You know what? I actually have the clips if you guys are interested. I will find a way to to play it. kids, teenagers burned, right, and unal alived for being black West Indian people. And there were a lot of fights and a lot of activism and and West Indian people fought back heavily. And now thankfully there are privileges that I get to experience as a result of what my family's generations and so on did here, right, as West Indian people. So I don't take I don't take [ __ ] like that lightly when it comes to other communities like i.e. yours in America that fought. I mean, you guys are gas lit. That's all I'm going to say. I can't like We'll be here forever, but you guys you guys are you guys are gas really bad. Yeah, it's a fact.

[00:40:14]>> You guys you guys have a history that you should be very proud of and I don't think people give you guys enough credit. Um, this isn't a glaze first.

[00:40:22]Uh, I've gotten into it with people you should know who claimed to be FBA previously. There are some that are lovely that come here frequently and are very supportive of what I talk about, but there have been a few that I've I've gotten into it with. I don't I don't hype up other people over in my own community, but I I acknowledge the truth. And um one thing I can say is that uh you you guys you guys have uh you you've dealt with a lot. You've dealt with a lot. And I think as as much as you've dealt with, it's amazing that you've developed something that's so influential across the planet. People like your [ __ ] They like it. They just don't want to say that it's it's your [ __ ] because if it's that influential, then it's everybody's and that's just it's bad. But um I acknowledge that you guys have a very beautiful culture and I like your culture. So >> yeah, I don't have [ __ ] >> I appreciate that. But like with them FBA you talking about it's like like honestly the phrase itself is a true phrase. So like like for me like my whole family is from here like like when people be like oh where you from? Where you from? Where you from? It's like I'm from here. I'm from America. No, where you really from? I'm from America. Oh no. Where your grandpa? I'm from America. Just like how you probably have like your whole heritage from Jamaica.

[00:41:44]>> That's what that your Jamaica is my America. So I don't get what that's so that's why that's why they say like FBA and because like I said a lot of people from other culture they come here they'll be like even like a second generation like similar to that conversation you had with them >> and you're not going to get credit to somebody who just of who just like came after the culture was formed. The same thing here. Same thing here.

[00:42:09]>> If someone was to ask me about uh black American culture, like you got your mottown, you got your jazz, you got blues.

[00:42:17]I mean, flipping out. Even rock was you guys, >> rock, country, even that. But even those genres, people are saying they took those too. I heard African said they took that they started blues. I heard a South African said they started soul music. I heard all that.

[00:42:33]>> They started blues.

[00:42:34]>> Oh, >> Africans. Crazy Africans. Real talk.

[00:42:38]>> That's my point. That's my point. You have you have African ancestry. They want to claim everything you do from that ancestry.

[00:42:46]>> Afric is crazy. I didn't >> That's That's never heard that.

[00:42:52]>> Exactly. Bro, you're lying. No one has ever said that, bro.

[00:42:56]>> [ __ ] what are you talking about? You going >> in America to tell him he's a liar, so I'm not going to call him.

[00:43:00]>> Exactly. What are you talking about?

[00:43:02]>> Well, I wanted to respond to something that was said earlier cuz it was like proper Hey, let them know what your ethnic background is first and where you're based. I know, but let them know.

[00:43:11]>> I'm East African, so Kenya, Uganda, and Tanzania. I'm from all three countries.

[00:43:15]>> Also, I wanted to respond to something I was said earlier about especially where I >> And you're based in Britain.

[00:43:20]>> I am I'm a British East African.

[00:43:22]>> Go ahead, JW. You can finish up.

[00:43:24]>> I wanted to respond because a lady earlier said that south of the river that Caribbean kids are getting bullied.

[00:43:30]I'm like, that's not true. For example, so we're splitting like >> Yeah, she dropped but she still said that and it's like it's a it's a bad rumor cuz not true. For example, we're splitting like southeast and southwest.

[00:43:43]Southwest is like all Caribbean people like Caribbean cultural hubs. Like for example, Marcus Garvey lived in Brixton.

[00:43:50]Like Southwest London is like little Caribbean and Southeast used to be filled with like Caribbean people is now filled up with African people. No one gets bullied for being Caribbean.

[00:44:01]like at all. Like it's it's just not a thing. It doesn't even sound right like you're from Jamaican. I mean you're Jamaican. It doesn't sound right being bullied. It was just propaganda. I think like probably her child's getting bullied but not for being a Jamaican.

[00:44:16]>> Probably beautiful cuz I've just added up Mrs. Beautiful. He was here before.

[00:44:20]I'm trying to remember if that was >> Yeah, that was her. She literally added her up.

[00:44:24]>> She said that >> beautiful. Was that I just need to chat just in case it was the other girl that I dropped. Mrs. Beautiful, was that you talking about your show? Yeah. Okay. Go ahead. Yeah. You can respond to >> I want you to explain what you said because Southwest London is Jamaican.

[00:44:38]It's Trinidadians. It is fully Caribbean people. There's like barely any African.

[00:44:43]You You might never see an African in your whole life. It would never be Southwest London. So I'm like, >> what are you talking about?

[00:44:49]>> You said south of the river Caribbean heritage kids are getting bullied. I've re I left school 2 years ago. I'm I'm not that far off that side of that life.

[00:44:58]I'm not [ __ ] I'm I'm a man now but I'm 20 that's the first time I've heard >> when you was going school did they do culture day?

[00:45:07]>> Yes.

[00:45:08]>> Okay.

[00:45:10]What happens on culture day?

[00:45:11]>> Caribbean kids bring their flags in.

[00:45:13]They we bring our flags in. We bring we bring in our foods or >> and >> and we have a ball. I'm like what?

[00:45:24]>> Okay. So what happened like you're you're East Afric East African you say?

[00:45:29]Yeah.

[00:45:30]>> Yeah. I'm East African heritage person.

[00:45:32]>> You don't see the whole Jolof battle from Ghanaian to Nigerian.

[00:45:38]>> Yeah. They argue about who has the best jalof. That's not >> And then you you don't you don't hear them disrespect um car Caribbean children. Oh, shut up. You don't even know your dad. You don't you don't hear the disrespect.

[00:45:49]>> I mean but that's we don't know where your dad is from. using everyday doesn't have to do with ethnic someone being bullied for being Caribbean for example like for example >> wait let me finish it does because they hear their parents they don't they don't even know these children or what their life is that like at home they're stereotyping thinking because they're Jamaican they must have a bunch of siblings or because they're Caribbean they don't know that who their dad is or their mom must be a single person That that does happen.

[00:46:26]>> We get stereotyped a lot being Caribbean by Africans, especially Nigerians.

[00:46:33]>> You get >> I've seen it with adults. I've seen it I've seen it with adults and I'm going to be posting that [ __ ] but um I didn't know it was happening in schools though.

[00:46:41]It's happening. Like I'm sorry. Like I I especially being Caribbean heritage in Birmingo where all of us were Caribbean heritage for the most part. Like bullied by who? Like you're Caribbean. Like that's a flex. Like we're not getting bullied out here. You get me? But like if if there's been a shift in some part of London.

[00:46:58]>> Okay. I give you an example. I give you an example. They tease them now because they're autistic.

[00:47:04]>> They tease them. They tease them if they're ADHD. They tell them go kill yourself. Go. Yeah. This is happening in schools, babe.

[00:47:10]>> Yeah, but that's not for being Caribbean. That's for being >> Talk about being a Caribbean person that you can't say because he's Jamaican. Please >> if somebody if somebody called you if somebody if somebody called you >> he's spreading bad propaganda.

[00:47:29]>> Everyone does that man. Police are bullies to eight people man. It's normal.

[00:47:32]>> They they they call Indians curry m curry muncher. Is that not a this?

[00:47:36]>> Yeah but everyone gets dissed. You're in secondary school like people used to make fun of me because my head was thick. I'm East African.

[00:47:43]>> What do you consider we used to get called African Buddhist scratcher? What do you what what do you consider being bullied >> in the UK? Who says that?

[00:47:52]>> For example, like >> African batty my dad has real shoes. He only rolls around in sandals.

[00:48:01]>> Like everyone gets bullied in secondary school. It's like everyone says something bad about another person. I'm like we're kids. Like I They used to say my pops only can afford sandals and he had no food cuz he's African.

[00:48:14]>> YOU DON'T HAVE TO. I need a moment.

[00:48:17]>> I'm so confused. What about I'm talking about being bullied for being a Caribbean person. Like there's not a bunch of Africans just sitting on people for being Jamaican.

[00:48:24]>> No, but the >> kids clash. They have back and forths.

[00:48:29]>> Listen, >> it's called Someone in the comments said it in America. They call it roasting.

[00:48:34]>> Kids call it roasting, whatever. But you see when it has an effect on your child and then you find your child selfharming and all these things because of name calling outside it it's a problem cuz in this day and age in this day and age all those stuff shouldn't still be happening >> again kids are going to be children I'm afraid people are going to say bad things to your kid people said bad things to me I said but I said worst thing back I'm not going to repeat what now it's like kid no No one being bullied for being a Caribbean person.

[00:49:07]Like >> it it happens >> like no one is saying on your child like see they see the green and black flag like oh you have Jamaican let's get him like no it's not happening.

[00:49:16]>> SO HOLD ON LET'S GO LET'S GO back let's go back to the topic that >> like for example there's a stereotype that African dads we don't wear shoes we only have sandals. So he's like, "Your dad probably doesn't have an issue." I'm like, I'm like, >> they also used to say like my forehead I could fit all of Mars in there. I'm like, >> but I was 10. No one I didn't think I didn't think no one was getting on to me cuz I'm East African. I'm like, we're kids. I >> I'm not going I'm not going into uni thinking these Caribbean kids, they hate me cuz I'm African. No, we was kids any trouble in the playground.

[00:49:58]>> You know what's interesting though, JW?

[00:50:00]There's been like there's been a um my argument cuz I feel like you've been you've been here from the very start, right? I started doing this >> and like one of the things I said initially was uh anyone who feels resentment >> or anyone that had the whole I wasn't proud to be West African or Nigerian or proud to be African or whatever in in when I was a kid or whatever like what Burner Boy said like that type of [ __ ] I say I don't believe that people that feel that way or felt that way, right?

[00:50:36]Uh don't hold resentment, which is how we end up with movies like JFK and stuff like that, right? Um and I still stand by that because I think I this is one of the things that I'm seeing now. I believe it's as a result of resentment.

[00:50:53]And we had this conversation last week though you weren't here. Um but the guy was he was Ghanaian, not Nigerian. Um and he was saying, you know, but like you can't expect uh people that were bullied for being uh West African in school to get over stuff like that. And I said, "Yeah, like at the end of the day, if there's resentment from childhood, um, yeah, like I don't expect kids to get over trauma and stuff like that from school, but at the same time, my argument is I I acknowledge the fact that it can turn into resentment. That's my point. So, I acknowledge that it can turn into resentment and I'm mindful of it, which is why I'm very particular about um what I allow people to say and what I'm seeing." And I'm looking at it and I'm like, "Yeah, you lot think that the person didn't mean anything by that when this like there's a lady that's made a video." Oh, I'm just just asking the question, why is it um so normal for uh Jamaicans and Caribbean people uh to have like multiple baby mothers and multiple baby fathers? And there are some that might think that she was just asking that question innocently, but I'm looking and I'm like, she's not she's taking the piss. Like, you can't see she's taking the piss. And a lot of the time it will come back to oh well this thing happened when I was a child. So I I think people have to be really mindful about what happens psychologically to someone who experienced certain things as a child uh when they become an adult because what it would take for someone to deny being what they ethnically are and pretending to be a completely different communities ethnic group. It would take a lot of trauma and psychological warfare to end up doing some [ __ ] like that because the guy that did um Jamaican and Jamaican culture and upset Jamaican heritage, Brits and Jamaicans in Jamaica, he didn't want to apologize for he said, you know, people get offended for just dropping your hat nowadays. He said >> about the way that Jamaican culture is portrayed. When people, I guess, mock Jamaican culture quite often, they dawn a dreadlock wig. I mean, Peter dons this in the film. Do you understand why Jamaicans and Caribbean people are like might be offended by this?

[00:53:06]>> You know what? I think we're we're in a time where a lot of people are offended by I mean you could drop your hat and people are offended. Um the Jamaican motto out of many is one people >> and then mentions the Jamaican motto. It says he's Charles half Jamaican. But then in another post he says, "Oh, I was the biggest Jamaican." And then it's him like he's like rapping but in Jama Jamaican pa Mama m never matter.

[00:54:01]And he he used to pretend to be Jamaican. And I'm like, yeah, to do that though and then make a film that upset Jamaican heritage people and Jamaican people in general, that's resentment.

[00:54:12]That's how I see it. I think it turns into something that people don't want to acknowledge. And there's another video.

[00:54:17]And guys, for those of you that are saying it's not true, it's not true. I'm going to I'm going to post this [ __ ] Don't worry. And remember, I warned you cuz I said you're not going to like it.

[00:54:24]You didn't like the last one, right?

[00:54:26]There's one dude, his um he's Nigerian.

[00:54:29]He said, "Oh, who cares about Jamaica?

[00:54:31]It's Africa time. It's Africa time.

[00:54:33]>> Stupid. You Jamaican. Don't you don't run nothing. You don't want nothing no more. You didn't finish.

[00:54:39]You had 15 minutes. It's African now.

[00:54:43]>> [ __ ] Then is is is there some internalized resentment where you feel like, oh, our time has come like what's that about? But it will always come back to oh well in school.

[00:54:56]Do you see what I'm saying? So I think it's something to be taken seriously.

[00:55:00]But anyway, that was just my two cents.

[00:55:02]Um, uh, Mrs. Beautiful, did you finish responding to JW?

[00:55:06]>> Um, yeah. Was I going to say about the whole topic where you said you started the conversation because of what those men were saying about us women and all these things? Why do they never say when they try to foul for their wives and do DNA tests that they find out the kids are never theirs?

[00:55:25]>> Yeah. Why is it now that they're trying to talk about it? Because they hear Caribbean people having a discussion with Caribbean people about certain things. They now want to mention >> here Here's what's messed up, Mrs. Beautiful. They Here's what's messed up.

[00:55:39]They didn't say that they weren't Caribbean. I went in cuz it was like branded as Caribbean and it was it was West African people saying the disparaging [ __ ] So I Yeah, I don't I don't know. I think um when it comes to when it comes to Caribbean people in Britain and then Jamaican heritage people heavily in Britain, it becomes everyone's business. That's just how I It's just like it's for everyone. It's for everyone. And then the internalized resentments come to surface, which is what I saw. That's what I saw. I mean just last week we had someone come on saying oh he he initially presented as a pan-Africanist initially and then it went from that to you guys will be be nothing without Africa you you Jamaicans are nothing without us so [ __ ] how did we get there now unfortunately there was a Caribbean heritage panafricanist woman who was trying to stop him and say no no no he's drunk and he wasn't drunk he's just saying how he really feels and I think the problem is that people like we make too many excuses for people in the name of pan-Africanism and we don't want to acknowledge what's in our face like I I'm not blind to this [ __ ] I see it right my my stepdad was a very well-known pan-Africanist Trinidadian I was raised in pan-Africanism right going to 104 Heath road in Birmingham these are panafricanist organizations yeah cool they're cool for certain things and certain times and certain issues But like when you just get to like the basics of the at the social level and you start talking to people and you see how people really feel, they feel how they feel and then they use the people I'm talking about use pan-Africanism or this whole all the same [ __ ] to defend their [ __ ] I don't like that. Like we even had um people last week saying that uh the slave trade when we talked about the slave trade because of the what Ghana did, right? what they put to the UN um last week, a week and a half ago. Uh literally one of the arguments was well when us West Africans were um selling people, we didn't know like what type of slavery we were selling them into. Like we just didn't know. And I'm like, what does that even mean? Like these excuses, it's always an excuse. or no co if anyone said the stuff that they were saying about Caribbean people it's cuz it was provoked I'm saying it's not provoked like I can show you it's not provoked like it's just random [ __ ] no but someone had to provoke that and I say yeah the way you keep defending this behavior and only a minority that I can count on one hand who are from your background have said no this is wrong and people shouldn't be saying this [ __ ] the fact that I can only count on one hand people that have just acknowledged it and said nah it's not right as West African people. That just confirms to me that this is a is a deep rooted issue.

[00:58:42]It's deep rooted. And I'm not I'm not going to like lean on pan-Africanism or worship West Africanness, right? And say, "No, no, no. We we can't ever talk about the [ __ ] that we're seeing um them doing when they come on here or run the lives or any content that they're doing, this disparity [ __ ] We can't we can't acknowledge that cuz we're all black."

[00:59:05]No, I'm not I'm not going to get violated and my community is not getting violated in the process just because we have brown skin. That's stupid. I'm not doing that. I can acknowledge wrongs. I can acknowledge racism. I can acknowledge all these different issues in society whilst standing up for my community. Like it's not going to come at the expense of my my community's identity over here, which is not it's not going to happen.

[00:59:32]>> Anyway, go ahead. Hi.

[00:59:35]>> Yeah. Did you Did you finish with JW or go ahead?

[00:59:37]>> Yeah, I'm finished with JW.

[00:59:40]>> Yeah. Should I Oh, no. Then >> I'm >> Should I answer the prompt?

[00:59:45]>> Yeah.

[00:59:46]>> Is black be used to erase criminal death? I I didn't even know. But the thing I didn't know I was a black British person until recently cuz it's not something like until like I didn't hear that word until like 2024.

[01:00:00]Bro, it's not a thing we call ourel on like a dayto-day basis. It's like you sign a form, you go to uni, it's like you're black person, >> that's how you do your form, you go school.

[01:00:10]>> Mhm.

[01:00:11]>> But on an inter >> black African or black British Caribbean.

[01:00:14]>> Exactly. I just pick one. That's how you go. Yeah. So then I think it erases it if you don't mention the person's like ethnic. You just say someone's black like black from where? Like is this >> exactly? That's not a thing here.

[01:00:31]>> Exactly.

[01:00:33]>> For example, if if you had like autobiography co and they just said you're black. They didn't mention like kohi or jamaican lady Caribbean heritage or from brown. It's like you've erased like all of her identity. You just ki a black woman.

[01:00:46]>> That's not a thing in the UK. That's what irritates me. Like when I'm seeing people trying to do that [ __ ] I'm like it's always got some weird sinister motive behind it. It's either to erase something, to try and claim something that's not yours, or it's because you don't like what you are, so you need everyone to be one thing. Those are usually the the the the the ways in which I'm seeing it being used within this context, right? Um the context of us having these conversations, but it's it's stupid like we used this example previously, JW, right? I said, "Okay, if I if I met you for the first time, it would be normal for me to say to you, what's what's your ethnic background?"

[01:01:28]It'd be normal for you to ask me that question. That's just normal here. That is normal here. Even with whites, that's normal. I give the example of the dude at the pub who owns the pub, mine and my brother's local pub, right? He's a white English man. The first thing he asked us when we were talking was, "Oh, so what's your ethnic background?" And then we talked about that Jamaican d. Oh, really? Yeah. No, I remember the wind was just under the third and he loved Jamaican course and then we asked him.

[01:01:54]It's not alien to ask a white person that >> people don't know white Brit isn't a thing either. You're either English, Irish, Scottish.

[01:02:03]>> It's normal. That's normal. It's It's normal. So, when I see this other thing, I'm like, what's that about? Why you doing that? You know, it's not a thing here. So, that means you're up to something weird and I don't like it.

[01:02:15]Right.

[01:02:15]>> Wait, can I can I ask you a question real quick?

[01:02:18]>> Uh, yeah. Go ahead.

[01:02:20]>> So, so like say for example you go to Australia, right? So y'all would So what do y'all and maybe like where you from?

[01:02:28]Do y'all say like I'm from Great Britain but I'm a Jamaican British person or do you just say British first and if they like dig deeper then that's when you say I'm Jamaican. What? Like >> I'll give you an example. So when me and my brother went to Turkey recently, they asked us what our background was. So we said, "Oh yeah, yeah, like we we're from Britain, but we're Jamaican heritage."

[01:02:49]That was just a normal conversation. Oh, Jamaica. Yeah, that's that's just how we'd introduce ourselves.

[01:02:56]>> London race, they know that we're racially black, right? They hear a British accent, but then it's like, "Oh, but what though?" And then we just say, >> I believe in erases. And I feel like it erases it if you don't include Caribbean. Like if you don't say Caribbean, >> it does erase it. It does. It does.

[01:03:14]Absolutely.

[01:03:15]>> There are there again um pan-Africanism I think has been quite heavy in Caribbean communities. Uh and when people have talked about just like blackness, it's usually been within the context of pan-Africanism.

[01:03:31]But the context I'm seeing it being used in here is not in the context of genuine pan-Africanism. It's been weaponized and it's been weaponized by people for the most part who have been West African.

[01:03:44]That's just what I've seen over the past few weeks and you've been here so you've seen it too. It's just what it is and it's irritating as hell. I can't stand it. I can't I can't stand it because like >> we had someone here last week who is Panafricanist and he's Jamaican heritage and he's British, right? And he's just sincere with it. He's like the classic how I know it to be in in British Caribbean heritage communities. Yeah.

[01:04:10]Like I recognize it, right? But then there was a Nigerian guy on here that said um he said, "Oh, uh Jama Jamaicans are a different and he basically said Jamaicans didn't go through much historically with the slave trade." Me paraphrasing, right?

[01:04:30]>> That's crazy.

[01:04:30]>> I don't remember how he worded it. What he said was just mad. He was Ghanaian.

[01:04:35]>> Was he Ghanaian?

[01:04:37]My bad. Did I say he was Nigerian or did I just I don't know what I said, but yeah, he was West African. He was Was he Ghanaian?

[01:04:44]>> Yeah, he was Ghanaian.

[01:04:48]>> Was he?

[01:04:49]>> Yeah.

[01:04:49]>> Oh, wait. I'm thinking of the other dude that was >> talking about the um slave plantation is mucking um plantation farms like slave breeding farms.

[01:04:57]>> Yeah. And he said black Americans were like farmed. Yeah. He he just says some crazy [ __ ] and then the the Caribbean heritage Brit the Panaffricanist dude obviously lost it. Understood, right? Um because of the fact that it was essentially a massacre, right, on the islands. Uh and then because the Jamaican heritage dude who's British lost it, then we get the other [ __ ] You guys are nothing without us. Like Jamaica's nothing without Africans. That and then and then the truth came out.

[01:05:28]And this is my point. I'm saying you have to pay attention to the genuine sentiment that people have when they're saying certain things cuz pan-Africanism I'm I'm fine with it when people are respectful. I really am. There are some people that are genuinely sincere like the gentleman that I just referenced, right? But generally speaking, there are other people that see that as a weakness, man, and they use it cuz how how did my man come through? Yeah. uh the West African dude come through with like a a a panafricanist uh way of speaking and seemingly having panafricanist sentiments and go from that to you guys are nothing without Africa. Jamaica's nothing. How did you go from there to there? All I had to do was let him speak. That's all I had to do. Like when we're talking about this [ __ ] we're not making it up. It's just what it is. Do you know what I mean?

[01:06:25]But um stick around JW answer the second pro.

[01:06:29]>> Oh go ahead JW. Yeah go ahead.

[01:06:31]>> I am a panic. I do believe in the ideology but I don't believe in like disrespecting someone from a different culture. Like I like learning about people from different cultures. Like I love experiencing it but I don't believe in like the disrespect part. No. Yeah.

[01:06:47]>> Is that's the point? It's not meant to be part of it anyway. Like disrespect isn't meant to be part of pan-Africanism. My problem is that there are people that aren't sincere pan-Africanists that use it as like a cover to be disrespectful. That's the point.

[01:07:00]>> Yeah.

[01:07:00]>> And then it turns into this form of like um like West African elitism where like you saw the dude, >> how many weeks back was this now?

[01:07:11]>> Like the Duke of Yardi person. There was that guy.

[01:07:14]>> Oh my god.

[01:07:14]>> He was he had like he was he had like a he was he had like he was pretending to be a Yardi all the way from like Nigeria. And then there was the other French guy. There was a guy in there.

[01:07:24]There was a French person pretending to be a Jamaican from like Martin. I was I don't know what was going on that day.

[01:07:31]>> I saw a video just the other day with this guy who's gone in in the music industry in Ghana. and he was explaining how uh Jamaican pwa you could buy like books and as children they'd have these books to learn pwa and stuff and so people use it in their music cuz the dance hall scene is very big in in Ghana and stuff like that and so it like I already know that but what's fascinating to me is when there are people that would say no you're not you're not what you are you get everything that you are from us and then those same people are literally immersing themselves in the very thing that they're claiming is from them as opposed to just immersing themselves in what they are. Because my thing is, if Jamaicans are you, then you should just be you and it as opposed to participating in in everything Jamaican and learning the way to speak and all this other [ __ ] right?

[01:08:28]>> The language like it does. None of it makes sense. I think that's crazy.

[01:08:33]That's crazy.

[01:08:33]>> I don't I don't buy it. I just bait.

[01:08:36]>> Yeah, because prior to joining the live, >> let everyone know what your ethnic background is and where you're based and let's get this to 50K, guys, by the time >> Hi, guys. Um, >> I'm I'm Nerian, but I live in Poland.

[01:08:50]Um, >> how Okay. What's that like before you continue?

[01:08:54]>> It's It's pretty chill. It's It's nice to be fair.

[01:08:58]>> Really?

[01:08:59]>> Yeah.

[01:09:00]>> First of all, I heard Poland's a bit mad, you know, with >> Yeah. kind of the I mean it's it's I I would I don't want to be that guy to say oh it's just it's just how you carry yourself but basically it's it's typically how you carry yourself to be honest like you you move rowdy and because Polish people are quite reserved people so if you make like if you're being all historical around them then then they can get pretty wild with you but but my experience so far I'm just talking about my experience. My experience has been pretty chill. Yeah, it has been chill. So, >> have you been there long?

[01:09:40]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've been here for since I was like a teenager. So, so >> Gosh. Okay.

[01:09:47]>> That's that's good to know.

[01:09:48]>> Yeah. So, um prior to me joining your live. Yeah. I actually saw a video of of you um talking about a girl >> um saying PWA sounds pigeon. It sounds like pigeon. And >> she said it is pigeon. That's what she said. Yeah.

[01:10:04]>> Well, well, if it is is pigeon, then okay, she's definitely wrong. But um when I heard the video, I was like, why were you upset? Because I was like, >> why was I upset?

[01:10:15]>> Yeah. Yeah. Because because to me it's like um like someone that doesn't understand Slavic languages, right, can I can speak Polish to them and they'll say, "Oh, it sounds Russian."

[01:10:27]But a Polish person can get annoyed and be like, "Yo, this is not Russian. This is Polish." So, uh, >> wait, hold on a second. So, the example you gave, right, >> is one ethnic group >> thinking that >> a different ethnic group.

[01:10:44]>> Yeah.

[01:10:44]>> Sounds like a different ethnic group.

[01:10:47]>> Yeah.

[01:10:47]>> But in this case, it's one ethnic group, right? if we're using that analogy right that is saying that another ethnic group >> is speaking what her ethnic group speaks as opposed to oh it just sounds like that sounds like that culture no no she's saying no no no it just sounds like us right then to answer your question before you continue right >> she's she's in Britain she's a British Nigerian girl >> and for any for anyone Anyone for anyone that's in Britain, you guys know about microaggressions and how people get off what they want to get off and they want to be funny and say rude [ __ ] The girl was being rude as hell. She was being disrespectful and it was obvious in how she said what she said. When I listen to Jamaicans speak, I'm not talking about the English the British Jamaicans cuz talking about the ones from back home. When I hear them speak their accent, their normal tone, all I hear is pigeon English, bro.

[01:11:53]That's literally pigeon.

[01:11:55]>> I don't like when people try and gaslight me. I I genuinely don't I don't like it. I don't like it. The energy for one, just for one, in addition to the fact that she was chatting [ __ ] the energy itself was from a disrespectful space immediately.

[01:12:13]Oh, I'm not talking about the Jamaican the the British English turning up her face and [ __ ] I'm talking about the ones from back home like Jamaica's home.

[01:12:22]Okay. And then she says, "When they speak, all I hear is Nigerian pigeon, bro. Like even just the belittling of what she's supposedly hearing, right?

[01:12:36]She was being disrespectful.

[01:12:39]And I'm used to people like her trying to say things one way when they feel a particular way and then say, "No, no, no. All I'm saying is this." You saw it on the initial lives that I had. JW, DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN THE GUYS CAME THROUGH ONTO my live in response to um that initial live that I was reacting to?

[01:12:58]>> Yeah. So now, all I was saying was this.

[01:13:02]>> All I was saying was this. Even though you were shouting and you were aggressive, but no, I all I was saying I I listen to tone very carefully and my thing is this and it like if it was from a place of oh it sounds it sounds very similar to me like it's even though it's [ __ ] I swear down I'll be irritated regardless to be honest with you but it like oh it sounds similar like I recognize certain things da da da da da that's one thing this whole all I'm hearing is Nigerian pitch and turning up your face. It's cuz you're trying to be rank.

[01:13:37]>> Yeah, that's true. Like >> you're trying to be rude.

[01:13:40]>> And if you're trying to be rude, then that's that's a different conversation.

[01:13:45]Like I'm match it.

[01:13:47]>> Yeah.

[01:13:47]>> I'm enough.

[01:13:49]>> Makes sense because um I'm glad you you explained it that way because initially I was like, why were you mad? Cuz but but you saying it like this, I could kind of see the microaggression and maybe Yeah, and maybe this has been boiling down. I mean, maybe this has been going on for so long. I don't know how long, but I was just off based on just that one clip I saw of you responding to the video and I was like, what's going on?

[01:14:15]But you explaining right now makes total sense. So, I I understand.

[01:14:20]>> Thank you for explaining.

[01:14:23]>> No problem.

[01:14:25]>> Was there anything else you wanted to add?

[01:14:28]>> Uh, yeah. I was just well what I wanted to say is because you know there's always an exception to the rule when it comes to stuff like this like um it's it kind of hurts when people speak like when when people speak generalizing everything cuz I'm Nigerian so sometimes it hurts when you go out and people try to bring this whole scammer talk into the conversation or oh Nigerian prince it's it's it hurts it's it's pretty much annoying but I always try to uh be logical with everything and always know that they are always exception to the rule. There are many Africans that don't believe in what other Africans say.

[01:15:08]There are many Africans that are against everything that happened with the whole slavery with the whole you know everything like so it's not like everyone's mindset that's that. So I I I wish everyone can just understand that not everyone from Africa, West Africa, Norththeast have that mindset. Some people are upset with it. Some people um I don't but yeah that's that's just all I want to say.

[01:15:37]Like I just hope everyone understands there are exceptions to the rule. We can't just go around saying Jamaicans said this, Nigerians said this, you know, like it's it's actually at the end of the day, it's just going to be a never ending argument cuz um at the end of the day, everyone is trying to protect theirs just like you know, you're trying to protect the Caribbean, you know, culture, identity. Um you know, which is good. I understand you.

[01:16:01]So, um I'm not going to be so mad when I see you going all guns blazing trying to defend yourself or your people. Just like how we Africans also, we want to defend our home. You want to defend what we know. So, there's always going to be that defense up when it's coming. But >> yeah, that's just all I have to say.

[01:16:23]>> I mean, it's Jewel I Oh, before I continue, guys, again, this needs to be at 50K likes, okay? by the time it's Jules's finished, right? Otherwise, we'll have to pause and wait and it's a myth. Um, so yeah, it's sure. What I'd say is I agree with you. There's always an exception to the rule, right? Thank you, Axen. Axen's mind. Am I saying that right? Axian's mind. Thank you. Um, there's always an exception to the rule.

[01:16:48]And I totally agree. I think the challenge that I've had with these lives right is unfortunately the exceptions have been very very very small and the majority have been uh what they've been right so if I see a trend I have to address the trend right and unfortunately it's been a trend if the majority of people that were coming through here weren't on stupidness then there'd be nothing to talk about and then I'd have to say, "Oh, this just like one person that's just being stupid." I mean, that happens, right?

[01:17:26]But if I'm seeing a trend or I keep seeing videos or I keep getting tagged and [ __ ] I'm seeing something now. I'm seeing this. I'm seeing this left, right, and center. Random. Just random.

[01:17:35]I mean, even with that video, it's She was in bed. She was in bed in the bonnet lying there. That's just what she had on her mind. It's like if I keep if I keep seeing weird [ __ ] like that, I have to say, h what's uh what's causing this? There have been many people that have attempted to either come to the defense of these people or just say outright it's not happening even though it's happening.

[01:18:04]And then I said, okay, I'll post it, but when I do, you won't like it. And people didn't like it when I started posting it, right? But the facts are there is a trend that I am noticing and it's a trend that I don't like and if I'm seeing that at the same time as so if I'm seeing people disparage um Caribbean heritage people in general. So there's another video of a woman asking why um she's also in her bonnie. She's in her bedroom. It's really random. She's asking why uh is it why is it that uh it's normal according to her for Caribbean women to have multiple baby fathers and Caribbean men to have multiple baby mothers. But then she'll say, "Oh, no. It's just a question. It's just a question." And it's that [ __ ] that I don't like cuz it's not just a question. You're trying to violate me and mine. So if you're trying to violate, I promise you I will match your energy.

[01:19:07]I'm not into this whole be the bigger person. I don't align with it. I used to, but that's why people are so comfortable now talking how they're talking so publicly and vocally and so loud. And because of that, it means something's not working. Like it's not balanced if I'm being the bigger person.

[01:19:25]So now I have to be the petty person and that's what I'll do. Um, but generally speaking, you represent a minority unfortunately and that is my challenge.

[01:19:34]So until the minority become the majority, I have to keep addressing it because there are people that are doing this and they think no one's going to say anything about it. And I will.