Erika Hilton, Milly Lacombe, Luciana Novaes - Ser mulher: a vida da gente de todo dia

Añadido: 2026-05-16

[00:00:00]Against a pink background, the text reads " Women Speak," a program for working-class voices.

[00:00:06]Within the word "woman," highlighted in the center of the [music] text, are black and white photos of white, black, and diverse women.

[00:00:17]Good evening, I'm Gislana Vale, speaking directly from my beloved city of Fortaleza.

[00:00:26]Goodnight. [laughter] Good evening, everyone. I am Teresa Vilela speaking directly from São Paulo Brog. Do you still remember us? This is a test to see if you know who is who.

[00:00:43][laughs] Yeah, right? A great little game. Actually, it's the opposite, as you'll see, right?

[00:00:53]But that's it. Well, we're back! After this long period from March 12th of last year until now, without us on air, we're back. We've prepared a little show for you with our guests, who don't even know who they are, right? [snoring] To chat with us in some videos that we're going to bring, and I hope you like it and participate here with us, bringing your comments in the chat, which we'll be paying close attention to. Hey Vale, how are things going over there? Who's there?

[00:01:44]Hi, everyone, whoever has it, right? Hey guys. Oh, I'm Gislana, right? I am a Black woman with light brown skin. Today I'm wearing my hair braided to the side of my face, some small silver hoop earrings, a silver ring on my finger, a red t-shirt, and my signature painted lips. And here I am right now with the very dear Teresa Vilela, this wonderful, intelligent woman, [laughs] she hired me to do her marketing. This woman, Professor Teresa Vilela, the woman who runs this program, invited me to do this collaboration with her. I'll take this opportunity to say, as Teresa said, I'm speaking from Fortaleza today, but next week I'll be back in Niterói, where I live, and I'd like to thank my colleague Portinho, who gives us this space in the workers' voice. And then Teresa will thank our other colleague, because it's thanks to him that we were able to get the program back on the air. Go, Teresa.

[00:02:58]Maninho is putting us on air today on the counter-rule, right? That's extremely important, isn't it? We have these guys who are with us and who provide that support, so we can have this partnership. And if you put it on the air, uh, with those guys who also run that channel, right? This is a program presented by two visually impaired women. This dear friend of ours, Gislana, contributes a lot to our work in the cultural field; she's someone who knows about public policy. So I think we always have a great rapport when we talk, right? We are both two absolutely impulsive women, because we are two totally different people. [laughs] We come from different places, we think differently. I think it's complementary, and you'll see everything on this show, probably even a bit of drama or two.

[00:04:22][laughs] R, I think that's very rich, isn't it? This complementarity between the people here, and the people in the chat who follow us, are also diverse, and I think that's what strengthens us, the diversity that unites us, right?

[00:04:44]So, we also wanted to say goodnight to the incarnation Melger, who's here saying goodnight to the comrades from VT and whoever else comes along with us, right? At this early stage, we already have 55 people watching us, right? And for a relaunch that we're doing, I think it's super cool and we can only be grateful.

[00:05:16]Well, ah, I didn't describe myself, did I? I 'm here at home, as always, but from a different angle you can see a bookshelf and a white wall.

[00:05:28]I'm using, uh, I have brown hair, a white woman, dark brown, starting to turn silvery already. Yeah, I have shoulder-length hair, I wear bangs, I'm wearing black hard hats, sunglasses too, diaries and black frames.

[00:05:50]Uh, I'm wearing a white shirt and a black blazer, because it's cold here, and a red necklace.

[00:06:00]And that's it, right? Well, we have some interesting things to talk about. I think we could even include a bit of our first video to introduce the conversation. What do you think, Glana?

[00:06:16]Yes, it's important, folks, when we decided to revive Fala de Mulher (Women's Voice), our idea was to bring our voice, mine and Teresa's, along with other women who are saying important things, especially because, well, we live in a time where it seems like everyone has decided to speak for us, to speak about us, to speak to us, but somehow it seems like nobody asks us what we 're thinking, what we want, and what we say about our own things, about our time, our destiny, the things that happen to us. So, the topic of our conversation today is this, and I think we can start by showing our first video of the day to make our comment.

[00:07:08]Amilbi speaking, I think it's going to be cool.

[00:07:12]And someone asks, is it a girl or is it the girl? There's a destiny that's already mapped out there, right? And it's a destiny that has nothing to do with biology; it has to do with a social construct. If you're a boy, go out into the world, go play outside, climb trees, play ball, go to a public place. If it's a girl, she stays home, helps her mother, plays house, gets a little doll, is bored of ironing clothes, puts on her little apron, and goes to the private room. So, when this division is made, we begin a social construct that will be in parallel lines, and then there's not much going back because it becomes " wear pink, wear blue, we are like this," and a series of oppressions are naturalized, and further down the line we have nothing left to do. And then we end up sweating and fighting so that we can become what we want to be, right? So I think this binary regime of sexual difference is very violent, like everyone else, okay? Because that's how sexism kills women. We die at a rate of four per day.

[00:08:19]Femicide. This story about the policewoman who was killed is heartbreaking, devastating.

[00:08:26]Well, a woman is raped every 6 minutes, with numbers underreported by up to nine times, right? Well, acts of domestic violence, we're speaking from the front lines, we women are speaking from the front lines, but machismo is also very violent towards men.

[00:08:45]Yeah, right? I find it very interesting what she's putting there, that it has several layers, right?

[00:08:56]Well, when we talk about this sexism, how it's structural and how much it affects women, it starts with the roles we're taught to play, right? It goes from that more radical idea of ​​being a well-behaved, demure domestic woman—" you can't sit like that, you can't"—which is subtle, but it's everyday.

[00:09:28]Even things that are more... well, even disguised as good things, right? That thing, you know, who hasn't seen it, right? On March 8th, we receive those things, like, "Oh, you're a warrior woman, you can handle this and that, you're a mother, you have a triple workload, you do a lot of things," and this is presented in a way that falsely glorifies, that actually shows us that this is the place we should occupy, right? And the type of motherhood that we are taught to practice, I even wanted you to know a little bit of your opinion, because we have some really interesting things written about motherhood. She recently wrote about it, and we didn't plan to read the text here, but I think talking about it is also interesting, about the places we occupy and which are not necessarily the roles that are expected in the expected way, right? Well, for example, motherhood as a possible kind of motherhood, not this absolutely invented one of someone perfect, you know, like a mother who never makes mistakes, who never fails, who can't fail, right? And as a woman, the person who serves everyone, who gets everything done, who goes, who takes the bus, wakes up in the middle of the night and goes, right?

[00:11:15]I find that very worrying, actually, right? Very oppressive.

[00:11:21]Yes, I think, folks, that there are some things we need to revisit and discuss, and in this conversation, as Teresa announced, we are women with disabilities. So there is a place, a location for mothers, especially mothers with disabilities. I am a mother with a disability; I always had low vision, then I became blind, and my son grew up in this environment where we live and interact with me as a blind mother. So, I'd like to begin by saying that my son is the son of a typically blind mother. I am blind in both eyes. So, I'm not an atypical mother in terms of sight because I've never been able to see. I am a typical mother, and my son is the typical son of a blind mother. Therefore, our family is a typical family of blind people, because the terms "typical" and "atypical" depend a lot on what you take as a reference point for possibility, not to mention that word we love, which is "normativity," right? Because, in truth, well, my son and I live in a house where we have references stemming from defecation. My son is sighted, he can see, but the accessibility, the spaces organized so that I could move around this house without suffering physical damage on the furniture or the little tables and chairs that we usually leave, they have been tracing a path of coexistence, because I have also seen us appropriating this business of being a mother of children with special needs, a family with special needs.

[00:13:06]Folks, we've adopted a few different terminologies.

[00:13:10]Well, first of all, we were special. " Special" was a way of disguising the fact that they have a disability, to say: "Look, this person has a disability and is so special, right? What's special to me are other things."

[00:13:22]Oh, Teresa has a dog that I love, she's a very special dog to me. And for me, she is even more special.

[00:13:28][laughs] Okay. So, I'm not special because I have a disability; I 'm a person, a woman with a disability. Then there's this thing about being a " bearer," and later they invented this idea that we "carry" our disability.

[00:13:41]No, we don't carry the disability.

[00:13:43]Disability is a place we occupy as a condition, as a category of life, among others that we also announced here today, right? white, black, student from São Paulo, from the Northeast, field of crops, these other things. And then we arrive at this place and we start taking on other labels, as if they were titles, for example, atypical, atypical mother, atypical family. I've seen so much of this and it distresses me because we get so entangled in it. In fact, I have a text that I wrote that talks about this thing of dual exceptionality. " Exceptional" was also a term we used to refer to people with Dal syndrome from the perspective of feeling inferior. So-and-so was exceptional, it was the school for exceptional people, because they were people who had a different way of understanding themselves in cognitive matters. Then I see this exceptional term being applied to us women, mostly to say that we have a disability, but that we are so great, so good, that the disability can't handle us. And that's where we become exceptional. And I think a lot about this because I come from education, and I think a lot about how IQ tests, how the specificities of intelligences are understood as differences that lead to subordination for some and to the expansion of qualifications for others. How so? How do we, as women with disabilities, deal with this? And beyond these issues that I've brought up regarding women with disabilities, we're going to have other issues. For example, given the current situation we're living in, with so much talk about violence against us women, what place do we occupy in this discussion about violence?

[00:15:47]How do we share this space amongst ourselves, women with disabilities, you know? For many generations, because today I think we are experiencing something that I find beautiful in the world, but at the same time something we haven't yet learned to deal with; we have a deficiency.

[00:16:05]Disability is not what defines our lives. We have generations, we are adults, elderly, young, children, we are from one of a territory, right, northeastern, southeastern, southern, right, Amazonian, which is a word that I find beautiful, right, from Ceará, from São Paulo, right, from Brodosquiana, I don't know what name we have, from Rio de Janeiro, from the state of Rio de Janeiro. But like that, our territories, they are also part of our culture, of how we understand ourselves in the world, right? And there's also our culture, that which permeates us as words, as feelings, as a close-up recognition.

[00:16:54]There's a lot we need to bring to this discussion about violence, because we're discussing violence for the sake of violence. And violence for the sake of violence, I think, and I'm asking Teresa and everyone watching us for their opinion, where is this going to lead us, you know? To comment, uh, to feel sorry for us. Well, recently here in Ceará, when I arrived, a man, the brother-in-law of a woman's partner, went to her house and cut off her hands. My friends, this person wasn't even her partner, because I'm not saying that a partner can do that, I'm saying what is the justification for this violence committed in the name of anyone other than a woman against us? So, Teresa, I think we need to discuss these relationships between us in many different ways. We women occupy various spaces—the space of disability, the space of generations, the space of culture, the space of territory, the space of class, the space of gender, of being trans, of being lesbian, of being bi—because we also need to open our doors to navigate our diversities with greater depth, I think. So, Teresa, what do you think? I think it's fundamental that we take care of our relationships. When I say care, I don't mean in the sense of looking after someone, but in the sense that we strengthen each other. Well, it's very important that we take into account what we say to girls and boys. From a very young age. What kinds of things do we take for granted, and what kinds of things do we not? There's something I think is a great hypocrisy that happens, you know, many times, uh, that, for example, you have, uh, among men, you know, for violence to occur, we have this idea of ​​the good man.

[00:19:25]Who is the good man? right? How often do we witness a silence among men regarding their crucial role in this fight alongside us, and how often do we normalize this? Often, when guys are snoring, they hear a joke that isn't really a joke, right? one [clearing throat] a misogynistic joke, an absurd statement. They hear, for example, comments about teenagers, who are, in fact, uh, in that sense, minors, therefore, they shouldn't be the target of catcalls or harassment or anything else in the sense of a sexual or romantic relationship, right?

[00:20:30]So, guys, I believe that quite a few people listening here have already heard this. So, what do you men do when you hear a friend, a neighbor, a relative, you know, that poorly placed joke at Sunday lunch?

[00:20:53]You know that thing? So what do you guys do with that? Because it's also your responsibility and ours as women to signal, "Hey, that's not right," because we, I see this a lot, I think that we, whether it's due to culture, our upbringing, the education we had or didn't have, Brazilian culture itself, in that sense, and the lack of, the thing of, "Oh, I'm not going to fight, right?" We're there, why would we argue with the person? And it's actually crucial that we put ourselves in these situations, right? So, for example, everyone is against pedophilia, right?

[00:21:47]Everyone's against it, right? But what if it's that cool friend, the guy who suddenly went out with, uh, a 14-year-old girl, right?

[00:22:07]That puts things into perspective.

[00:22:12]We even had that thing with that judge who, if it weren't for the extreme social pressure, would have authorized it, as he did, he would n't have reversed that decision, you know, that invented thing, because it has no legal basis whatsoever, it was an invented interpretation of the law to say that a 14- year-old girl could be with a guy who was, uh, I don't know, I think the guy was over 40 years old and also, you know, exposed to drugs. There's no problem there, because the mother consented, I mean, without also evaluating the situation, you know, of that family, to reach that level of exploitation and such. So, there are many forms of violence. We, and I'm talking about a larger scale here, but there are many, they start with very small things, and I think they also start with us accepting, with us, from the initial thing of allowing boys not to do housework because there are things for girls, right? That's it, we get used to it and allow it, and yes, there are people who don't allow it, who are in a situation of great oppression. We can't lose sight of that, can we? But the attitudes we have in our daily lives as women, as Brazilian society, right, which is all of us, make all the difference in terms of whether we have more or less respect, which has to do with, and something important, before we, before I give you the floor, is the issue of political representation.

[00:24:21]Who is there representing us in the various bodies, in city councils, in state and federal assemblies, right?

[00:24:35]How many women are there, and how many are truly thinking about well-being, safety, equality, and equity between men and women? In fact, we know that we are very underrepresented and we also vote for men a lot, right?

[00:24:54]And we need to vote for women in these spaces. But it's not just any woman, is it? It's not a matter of "oh, just bring back any one of them and everything will be fine," is it? Well, before I hand the floor over to you, Gi, I just wanted to say goodnight to Patrícia Maneta, who came here to say, made a comment, and Sabalbino said that the discussion is very good, right? Patricia said, "Good evening, it's good to hear from you." I always say that I am the mother of a deaf adult man. Renan, uh, Renan, uh, atypical mother, okay? Yeah, and Denis Cruz is also saying good evening. Good evening, comrades.

[00:26:02]And that's it, Gi. What are you saying, folks? When Teresa brings up this situation, we're talking about change.

[00:26:11]I think we really need to keep this in mind, because sometimes, and this is one of the reasons why Teresa and I have some disagreements, I have a lot of difficulty with justification.

[00:26:23]I think you can't make an omelet without breaking the eggs. You can't put a whole egg in a frying pan and expect it to come out as an omelet. So I think that change starts with us. Change begins with us thinking about two things that, for me, are fundamental.

[00:26:39]It's about preserving the childhood of our children, it's about guaranteeing the right of our teenagers, the adolescent life, our children and our teenagers to live this period of their lives. It won't be like it was at other times in the lives of other people who have another generation, but it will be, in their own way, a guarantee of permanence. Why am I saying this, and why does this discussion distress me so much?

[00:27:08]I have seen, for example, a presidential candidate saying that we have to take our 14-year-old children and put them to work. I keep thinking, uh, I told you that I am a Black woman and I follow my master's thesis closely, which talks about Afro-Brazilian and African diversity. And the other day I saw a comment on one of those major radio stations, you know, saying that someone was being interviewed and saying: "Ah, now we're going to open up the job market for black people." Then I start wondering, black people arrived in Brazil working, how are we going to open up the market? So, the job market only means having a formal employment contract and clocking in somewhere?

[00:27:53]Because, I think, we need to rethink what work is. Work. And I come from a job at the Department of Education in Fortaleza, where I worked with the school that protects children, and we had, for example, a video that was emblematic to me of a child from the outskirts of the city killing a chicken in a machine. I'll never forget that scene, the child putting the chicken's neck in the machine and then hanging the chicken to bleed to death. I keep thinking, this is the kind of work we're talking about, this is the kind of work we're talking about. Yes, it's the job of being exposed to being sexually exploited, to being exploited by adults, to losing the opportunity to be in school building a place of knowledge.

[00:28:38]Because, back then, we used to say that school would give us a secure financial future.

[00:28:45]We discovered that at some point this isn't true, but school gives us something very important: knowledge, so we can have discernment and better choose who represents us. So I feel very compelled to ask for the arrest of someone who, in my opinion, disrespects the law, the statute for children and adolescents, when it says that children and adolescents should be working. Because, if we say, uh, talk about Nazism, we're not breaking the law; the law says we can't. For me, a person who proposes that we take children and teenagers and put them to work to generate profit for certain families—we know who exploits these children, for example, a woman who at age 9 was placed in a house, taken to another state, and who remains enslaved to this day, whose name is Sônia. This woman, for me, is a representation of the impossible situation our country occupies, where, despite all our struggle and discussion, we cannot achieve justice to free Sônia Maria de Jesus. To me, Sônia is a typical representation of that kind of person, of a candidate who asks us to put children to work to be exploited.

[00:30:06]When we realize that the logic behind what we have is that jobs are being automated. So, if we have people with specific training, women, children studying to get specific training, we will have qualified jobs. But what does a businesswoman want? She wants to pay little, she wants to exploit in the sugarcane industry, she wants to take a worker to the middle of nowhere to harvest the grains and have them sleep in impossible shelters, without food, without a bathroom, without water. That's what we're talking about, we can't delude ourselves into thinking that taking children and teenagers out of school and forcing them to work to make a fortune and turn slavery back into Brazil, we are accepting change. Children and adolescents, wherever they are, should be in school and have their rights guaranteed, regardless of their social class. I think it's fundamental that we think about this place for us women, for our children, for our sense of belonging, for our country, for the place where we live. I can't conceive of someone not being arrested when they say, "We're going to take the children and put them to work." He will expand the law to put our children to work as soon as he can. I am outraged and I keep thinking about how the major news networks have given space to this kind of discourse. That is to say, it means that they at least agree, they feel justified in making that statement. For me, this brings the place where it breaks the law, where anyone can say anything they want. Teresa says no. Well, they say that and don't even offer a counterpoint, do they? Like, uh, he spoke as if it were just any old, random conversation, right? Oh, one more comment, the person has the right to speak.

[00:32:23]Freedom of speech. In a little while we 'll have Erica Hilton talking a bit about this whole freedom of expression thing. Freedom of speech, but not to say absurd things, right?

[00:32:33]Illegal things, because that's what it is. So, picking up on what you said about work, about the exploitation of child labor, right?

[00:32:43]Yeah, that candidate, he uses the newspaper delivery thing. I think he doesn't live in this world, because even [laughs] newspapers hardly sell anymore. And what's more, there aren't even any printed newspapers anymore. Almost, folks. It's very rare to find.

[00:32:58]So, you know, this thing about linking work to honesty, that studying won't teach you anything, that having a certain kind of "no, it's not studying that gives you that."

[00:33:11]I think it's not that there are very nice people who were exploited in childhood, but that's not what made them good people. And that certainly took away a lot of opportunities, because while school alone doesn't guarantee a certain income or wealth, on the other hand, we have research showing that yes, education makes a big difference in people's lives in terms of income and knowledge.

[00:33:56]So as not to fall for that kind of absurd discourse, right? Why are the children of whom are going to work? We know, there's ethnicity, there's social class, right? It has color, and we know who's going to work, because it's the same presidential candidate who said that, who has a record in his work permit at age 14, right? Well, he said that he worked at such and such a time, he was in university and at the same time he was registered as working in another city.

[00:34:33]Yeah. He understands? So, having the registration, folks, doesn't mean the person is actually occupying the job position. And if I were in a company that already belonged to my father, or my grandfather, I certainly wouldn't be carrying heavy loads, killing chickens, cutting sugarcane, harvesting cashew nuts and cracking them open, hurting my fingertips, or working in charcoal kilns, which is the reality we have, right? That's what we have when we talk about child labor exploitation or domestic work, with the person still running the risk of being beaten as if they were an enslaved person from the 1800s, right?

[00:35:27]Absurd. I mean, one thing is a longing for the past, an absurd desire for destruction, right? That 's completely absurd.

[00:35:37]Yes, especially in a country that has good employment rates right now, that has a good governance that considers the indebtedness of people and families, that's what we're talking about, because when we start thinking about what kind of future we want, we begin to unravel these issues. What do these statements tell us?

[00:35:59]I think it's crucial that we, especially women, who are the majority of Brazilian voters, think about this. So, I think we need to consider what kind of future we want for our children, for our women, for our country, for our lives. What kind of dignity do we think we can achieve in this future that is approaching so quickly? That's it, right? Without a doubt. And that's it, right? Denis Cruz, Denis Cruz, Denis Cruz is saying, it's very convenient for the wealthy class to defend child labor, knowing that it's the poor man's child who goes to work. That's it, that's exactly right.

[00:36:49]And we have, uh, we talk about the possibility of learning a profession; that possibility already exists. After age 16, a person can [play the role], there's absolutely no problem with that. With regulation, of course, it won't be a dangerous job, because there isn't one, right? That's why I think it's very important for us to state what we need. We need full-time schools that are functioning, folks, because that's what will ensure that people know how to use technology, that they can face challenges, and that life can keep going. And that. There's no need to kill yourself, to work and age much earlier than is right because of working, because that's what happens to people, right?

[00:37:45]Uh, I think we can go to Erica's video.

[00:37:50]Yes.

[00:37:54]If you present a bill and move forward with it, there may be politicians who believe that presenting and moving forward with a bill that criminalizes misogyny is attacking freedom of expression, pitting men against women, and preventing men from saying what they want. So we ask, what do these men mean? That these women are trash, that they are [ __ ], that they shouldn't, that they have no dignity? Because if that's the case, it's simply not possible to authorize it. We cannot normalize crime under the guise and mask of freedom of expression, because otherwise everything becomes freedom of expression.

[00:38:28]I can see a black person on the street and call them a monkey and it's all right, because that's freedom of speech, it 's not a crime. I can call a trans person, a drag queen, or a person of any other color, because it's freedom of expression, it's not a crime. I can dehumanize the other person for who they are and still guarantee, oh, my freedom of speech. But wait, freedom of expression has a constitutional limit. Freedom of expression cannot be freedom to commit crimes, freedom to offend, freedom to dehumanize others, or freedom to push another person to their death. So, we need to remember that there's a bill in the Chamber of Deputies to criminalize misogyny that I think should go straight to the plenary session, but there's resistance from party leaders in the Chamber.

[00:39:05]Why, man, the resistance?

[00:39:06]They rightly claim freedom of expression.

[00:39:09]Exactly. Exactly. But now we're seeing a huge segment of people who think the Red Pill discourse is cool, who think it's natural.

[00:39:16]I saw a teenager saying that he went out with a girl, he said something like, "I went out with this young girl, and she paid for her Uber, but she did n't want to give me any, I already wanted to punch her in the face." I said, "What's that?"

[00:39:26]No, Uber won't give it to me. And that. We have to stop, people. I'll explain why. Because we have the issue of copyright, right? And then we need to react to the video after a certain amount of time. Well, I think, first of all, it's important to point out that these are images from the Podpá podcast, right? I think, uh, that interview was great. It's worth watching if you can later, when you're not watching VT's programs, the complete program, because it's truly unmissable. I think we need people who are truly allies, right? Erica, she's on the committee, she chairs the women's committee in the Chamber of Deputies, and a whole debate arose about why it's so funny, right? She's the congresswoman who has presented the most bills about women, right? And this one about misery is one that I think needs to be voted on, because nowadays, many people, under this flimsy pretext of freedom of expression, think they can do anything, that they can go around offending women, that they can suggest violence, that they can say whatever they want and it's all okay. Well, right? And it's very interesting to notice who's voting against us, because there are even women voting against us, because they also defend their right to be misogynistic. That's it, right? Misogyny is this thing about hating women, right? It's more than just sexism; it's a matter of masculinism itself. Guys, does this mean anything?

[00:41:35]I think about it a lot, and this is a question for whoever is watching us. Where do you find this treatment, this place where misogyny frequently appears? I think we also need to realize how a word can carry a concept. And since it carries a concept, how do I live with that concept? Because sometimes I get really upset when I see situations that make me feel very embarrassed.

[00:42:09]Well, one day I ran into someone at a place with a group of friends, and I saw a guy treating his partner in a completely disrespectful way in front of everyone. And I was thinking, " This is misogyny."

[00:42:29]Because, if you can have a private conversation with someone about something you disagree with, about something in your relationship with that person, and you don't do it, and you broadcast it openly at a bar for everyone to hear, I think that's a form of practicing misogyny. Because this thing about being mistreated and not understanding it in the situation where it happens, I think it works in a very impossible way. Well, about two years ago, I went on a trip to Acre and landed at the Acre airport, which is a simple airport, and I really needed to use the bathroom. And I asked the airline employee, whose name I don't remember at the moment, to accompany me to the bathroom. He said, "No, I can't take myself to the bathroom, because I can't go into the bathroom." I said, "Sir, you're not coming in with me. You're going to take me to the bathroom door and just wait there while... No, I can't. Wait here, I'll find someone." And the person left me waiting there for a long time for a follow-up that never came. And he turned back and said, "No, the person is coming." Young man, at the time, I remember there had been a situation with a dog that had died during transport by an airline. I said, "Sir, you're going to have the great pleasure of seeing me peeing here in the airport lobby, and I'm going to say that this simply happened because you refused to take me to the bathroom, because you're not going to go into the bathroom with me, you're just going to accompany me to the door. What's the problem? Because, you know, these are small things, folks. It's not a big deal, it's not like, oh, it's just a 'no.' For me, I, a woman with a disability, who arrives in a city and needs to use the bathroom, not having an employee from that airline accompany me because he thinks he needs to go in—which I just explained to him, 'you're not going in, you're going to take me to the door.' And he doesn't... where do we put this? What kind of respect is that for our space, you know? And so, there are many small things that we let pass, and they grow, they become gigantic, because we think everything is... isn't that right? It's that, you know? It's the person who, on public transport, takes someone else's place." What happens to an elderly person? It's someone who, on the subway, lunges at someone to take an object and thinks that's okay, you know? It's a worker, for example, at the beginning of last year, when Viradouro won the carnival, I went with a friend to see the Viradouro parade in Niterói. And we didn't have the slightest support from the Niterói police, from the Niterói guards, to get to the place where we watched the parade. We asked, and the person said, "I don't know, no, there isn't one," nobody told me at the time, "I don't know where that place is." Then I think, it 's not just the person hitting you, it's not just the individual, it's these mistreatments that build up, that we let pass, and it's not just an individual issue, but an institutional one, you know? I think that a ruler, a mayor, a president, a governor, the president of the Chamber of Deputies, the president of the Senate, they need to look out for us. They don't represent themselves; they represent themselves because we elect these people. Because I think, I saw a speech this week by the Speaker of the House, talking as if he were the master of his own destiny. Our, uh, dear representatives, or so-called representatives, whom most of us didn't want anything to do with them, they were elected, these dear ones, they were elected. They are there because we elected them, not because they represent themselves, not because they go through the airport with a closed suitcase. I am a woman with a disability, I go through the airport, my cane goes on the conveyor belt, my bag goes on the conveyor belt, I have to take my computer out of my backpack. The person takes off my sandals, searches me, touches my whole body. I am a tax-paying citizen. Then the scoundrel goes through a search, passes a closed suitcase, someone authorizes it. What kind of representative is that? What dignity does this person have to represent us and to demand things from us? Uh, that we......and support... impossible things that concern our legislation, that concern our citizenship.

[00:47:34]Someone who goes to a country and attacks democracy, and we liberate, we say to whomever and to everyone that this can be done again and again and again. So, it is from this place that our indignation needs to appear. We vote for these people. So, when Teresa drew our attention today, we had to think about what kind of candidate this is? What does he defend?

[00:47:59]And it's not just defending in speeches, it's how his life is, you know? Because, for example, recently I also saw one of our leaders, federal representatives, he, for example, separated from his wife, took the children to avoid paying alimony and... the greatest possible disrespect to this woman in court.

[00:48:21]How is this guy going to vote for a law in our favor? How is this person going to vote for a law against... misogyny, against disrespecting women? Because the discourse is, no, I love women, women have to be... So, when you—and many also say in their speeches that it's not right to read it like that—and in practice, they take the children, they don't want to pay child support.

[00:48:44]Because in Brazil there are some things that I find wonderful. For example, the child only receives child support from the father until a certain point, when they receive it.

[00:48:53]So, the child is ours forever. We women need to understand this.

[00:48:57]What kind of law is this that says that our child is ours forever and the child only belongs to the father until a certain age? Because then he is no longer responsible, he no longer helps that person to live, to eat, to study, or to achieve a dignified life. How so?

[00:49:16]This is the legislation of patriarchy. This, to me, is the legislation of misogyny that is swept under the rug and that we don't notice. Isn't that right, Teresa?

[00:49:28]You know that Denis agrees with you when you say that our congress is full of self-serving representatives who finance their own privileges, right? The one-handed woman corrected the previous comment she made. I was saying that she's not an atypical mother. Uh, I had written it wrong. Uh, Denis is also saying that it's absurd, right? A politician defending work. Uh, ah, that's already been said. And Macaco Tic is saying here for free destination and Denis Cruz and Denis Cruz are saying that Érica Hilton's eloquence is admirable.

[00:50:13]Uh, and Mariana is saying excellent speech. Uh, I think it's worth listening to the final seconds of Érica's speech, which I think corroborates what we're saying.

[00:50:31]In this sense, I think we really need people who are really there working for us. Érica is one of those people, for sure.

[00:50:44]Using the privileges, which are many, that we don't have. But at least in our favor, right? At least in our favors, working as she should, right?

[00:50:57]Yes. Play the rest.

[00:50:59]Nice speech, Redpill, who thinks it's natural.

[00:51:02]I saw a teenager saying that he went out with He said something like, "Go out with the young girl." Then she, after I paid for her Uber, refused to give me any, she was already wanting to punch me in the face. I said, "What's this all about?" " I paid for an Uber, you don't want to give me [the money], I'll kill you."

[00:51:14]Yeah, that's the kind of thing.

[00:51:15]What is that? You know? Like, it's kind of like, I provided this for you, so of course you have to give it to me, I'm providing it. That 's a really crazy and sick thing, man.

[00:51:23]That TikTok trend where men were hitting, simulating aggression against women, in case she said no. And that was available on social media for who knows how long, motivating, stimulating, uh, fueling these issues. Exactly. Punching, grabbing knives, giving flying kicks. Just kidding, trend, one, no, no, but these women are dying. But there's another issue, the law isn't enough, because, for example, we have the criminalization of LGBTphobia equated to the crime of racism and that didn't guarantee that people are being executed.

[00:51:57]I think that for our last sentence, it's not ending. It may take seconds for LGBT people to stop being violated.

[00:52:07]Exactly. But We need an educational process. Yes, we need to educate. We need to talk to men, we need to educate boys, we need to talk to people and say: "Look, femininity is not something to be horrified by, it's not something to be the opposite of." You need to learn how to relate to women in society.

[00:52:24]And we discuss this a lot. Why not do this in schools? An education, and then they'll say: "No." That's it, right, folks? That's what we were talking about before. I think we don't even need to comment on that.

[00:52:40]Because that's what we were talking about, right? It's this naturalization and how much we need to move towards this work, almost an education, not only in schools, but in the spaces where we are now. We really wanted to honor a very dear and important person in the disability rights movement, who recently passed away in April, the Rio de Janeiro city councilwoman, Luciana Novais. Luciana was a woman with a disability. Physics. Here's the photo. Uh, in the photo is Luciana. Then I wanted Gi to speak. Uh, Luciana is in the center, right, she's using an oxygen tube in her trachea, right? She 's wearing denim shorts, a pink t-shirt, and she's next to Gislana, who's on the right, and another friend, Olga Tavares, who was Luciana's advisor for a long time, right? And about Luciana, it's important to highlight that in her first term she had 51 bills aimed not only at people with disabilities, but also at people experiencing homelessness, different groups, and accessibility issues in different spaces and resources within Rio's municipal schools for people with disabilities, right? In that sense, she was the councilwoman in Rio with the most approved bills in her first term, and good bills at that, because there are people who only approve things that are useless, and that wasn't the case here. And Gi prepared This is a tribute, and before she reads what she prepared, I just wanted to say that I saw a phrase that reminded me a lot of things I've seen from Luciana Novais, which is that there can be no love for a person that is unaccompanied by a profound love for humanity. I think that Luciana Novais made, of all the political acts of her life, an act of love for humanity. I think that's what she went through and what she achieved. And so I wanted you to get to know her better, today you could say something and read what you prepared, right, everyone? Uh, I wanted to read my poem because it's a... I'm a woman poet, right? I'm a blind woman, therefore I read with shadow reading. How is that?

[00:55:56]My computer reads it to me, I repeat it, which is a way I discovered to reread, you know, the things I write. I think my poem about Luciana says a lot, I wrote it at the moment I learned that Luciana was in a coma, right? I knew Luciana and followed her career. I'm in Rio de Janeiro because I live there. And I wanted to read this poem to you, as I think it's important for us to get to know a little about this woman.

[00:56:26]My text is titled "About Luciana."

[00:56:31]I met Luciana on a festive day.

[00:56:34]Invited by a friend, I went to her house.

[00:56:38]The talk was about access and accessibility as a right. That's right, there she was, simply beautiful. I remember her low, soft, and firm voice well. In her chair, a leader of ours and of all people, disabled people, disabled community, disabled bodies, disabled struggles, a worthy representative, an unwavering will.

[00:57:07]So much certainty. I met Luciana on a festive day, many causes to embrace: disabilities, people experiencing homelessness, children, mothers. A great deal of seeking to recognize women in their work, to bring everyone together, to think, to propose things, to vote on laws, projects, to support causes, people, changes, to find partnerships.

[00:57:38]Justice, belief, loyalty.

[00:57:41]I met Luciana on a festive day. I experienced her hospitality. During that time, I met her family, friends, and allies. Now she has become a star. She dwells in the firmament, in our hearts, in our memory. In the voice of the original people, she became enchanted.

[00:58:02]In the voice of her equals, she became an ancestor, living forever, a mover of those to come. People with disabilities, people with disabilities, women with disabilities that we are. Those who knew her, those who elected her, those who worked with her, we call to this circle, at this instant, this moment now, in each one, in each one, in all of us. Luciana Novais.

[00:58:32]In a single voice, we respond: present.

[00:58:36]Luciana was that sensitive woman, a mover of the rights of people with disabilities. I get very emotional when I talk about her because she was an extremely active, strong representative in a place, in a state where our representation is difficult to exercise. Because Rio de Janeiro is a place of many conflicts, of many different confluences, but so, respectfully, I ask that today when we go to sleep, when we lie in our beds, we think of Luciana, you know? I thank her for having been in our company, for having lived with us, for having dedicated her time to the causes that are Ours, the people with disabilities, but also all the people in this country who strive for the dignity of the people and the dignity of the representative struggle, such as elections and rights. I think that if we take this thought about Luciana to guide us, I think that this year we will do a good job in our electoral campaign at the end of the year, okay? So, I really wanted us to say goodbye to this moment with this reflection.

[00:59:56]Let's call Luciana present in our lives, in our understanding of the people, of the people we are. And that's it, just thanking you for listening and for your time with us. That's it, Luciana Novais is present and we thank you very much. We ask that those who watched and liked it like, share, and if interested, become a channel member, which is 1.99 a month. That's it, share, give a thumbs up because it strengthens, right? Activate notifications to receive them, because next week we'll be back with another " Women's Talk" for you and you'll be back. With us. That's what we hope for, right? [clearing throat] That's it. I hope so, right? Me too. That's it, folks. Good night. A kiss for everyone. Good night to those who are having a good night. Good morning to those who are having a good morning. Good afternoon to those who are thanking my companion Portinho and Maninho, these two wonderful creatures, right? Two dear people who have been helping a lot, folks. That's it.

[01:01:12]Big kiss.

[01:01:14]Kisses to you all.

[01:01:19]On Fundo Rosa, the text "Fala de Mulher" (Women's Voice), a program of the working voice.

[01:01:26]Inside the word "woman" highlighted in the center are black and white photos [music] of white, black, and diverse women.