GLP-1 medications like Zepbound, Mounjaro, and Wegovy require individualized dosing, as each person's body responds differently to the medication. Maintenance doses vary significantly between individuals, and what works for one person may not work for another. The medication's effectiveness can fluctuate based on factors such as injection site rotation, lifestyle changes, stress levels, and overall health. Patients should work with their healthcare providers to find the optimal dose and titration schedule that balances weight loss goals with side effect management.
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GLP1 LIVE PARTY: The Downsized, Downsizing Diva Zepbound Mounjaro Reta Ozempic Wegovy FoundayoAdded:
Hey everybody, welcome to Kevin's birthday bash. I hope everybody is having a fantastic Thursday day of ths. Look, we got balloons up for Chbin.
Okay. All right. Let me bring out the man of the hour. Come here, buddy.
>> Not you, Sushi. Come here. Come here, Kevin. Here he is. Yay. Say, I'm three years old today. I'm officially I'm officially a big boy. I'm no longer I'm no longer a baby boy. You You'll always be my baby boy. Yeah, you're a good boy.
He got lots of treats today. He's been having a lot of fun.
You You're a good boy. I love you. I love you. Okay. Are you okay? Are you going to go get on the bed? Okay. Go ahead. Good boy, Sushi. You stay here.
Okay. Everybody's in the chat.
Great. Okay. I just wanted everybody to be able to see Kevin because I know this is this is the time when we keep him entertained.
So, we've got an action-packed night for you tonight.
And I've got special guest, right? I mean, it's Kevin's birthday. Of course, he's a special guest. But an even specialerist guest is Christopher and Lorraine from the Downsized. Hey guys.
>> Howdy. Howdy. Howdy.
>> Happy birthday, Kevin.
>> Y.
>> Thank you guys so much for joining. I >> was >> What? Oh, he came back for an encore.
Okay, come here, buddy.
>> Oh, come here.
>> He heard he heard me.
>> Sushi. Thank you, >> Sushi. Okay, now he changed his mind.
>> Oh, it's okay. Don't divorce him. It's all right.
He's silly. He got excited because he heard you cheering.
>> We'll cheer quietly.
>> Go, Kevin.
>> Yay. Okay. Yeah. I um I got up this morning and I looked at my calendar and it was like Kevin's birthday and I was like, what? And I'm supposed to go live today. We're just We're having an awesome day.
>> Do we know?
>> How are you guys doing?
>> We are doing great.
>> We're good. We're good. We're uh >> prepping for the cruise.
>> Yeah. Next week cruise.
>> Our down.
>> That's right. Yeah. So, tell everybody about your cruise.
>> Well, it's it's sold out, so you can't come.
>> That's not what I meant.
No, we're we're we're taking uh we're we have a I don't Christopher, you explain it.
>> Absolutely. So, we're doing the second annual downsize to sea cruise. We're sailing on rural Caribbean on the Freedom of the Seas out of Miami, Florida going to Nassau Bahamas and the perfect day at Coco K. We've got about 85 people coming with us. We leave a week from >> so we've been putting together swag bags and lanyards and t-shirts and we'll be filming some videos and doing meet and greets and going snorkeling and all kinds of fun stuff. So >> everybody should come. But the ship is sold out. So >> it's a lot bigger than 80 a ship than 85 people though. So it's not a >> it's not just us. It's it's not just us.
It's there are others.
>> Gotcha. Yeah. But you guys do you guys do this every year, right? You have a a downsized cruise.
>> This is the second year so far. Yeah.
>> Second year. So, uh >> yeah, last year we had 50 people. This year we have about 80 people, 85 people.
So, uh you know, maybe someday we'll have a whole a whole boat full of people.
>> Oh my gosh, that would be wild. Could you imagine like an entire boat full of GLP1 people?
>> Yeah. Well, then it's it'll be like the 80s rock cruise. We'll have to get you on the ship to do uh you know karaoke and uh air guitar.
>> Yes, I would love that. That's awesome.
>> Yeah, >> it's too funny. Okay. All right. Well, I've just been flipping through the comments here. Um thank you, Jaci. Yeah.
So, I was sick last week, so I was out of commission. And if I start hacking up a lung, um, just know that I'm okay, but I have like coughing fits. So, bronchitis is a is a serious deal and it will absolutely put you down. So, >> well, you know, you don't you don't want to get uh pneumonia, >> right?
>> Don't go there, >> right? That's what the doctor said. He was like, "Hey, we you know, walking pneumonia." And then he was telling me about galloping pneumonia. I was like, who is naming this stuff?
First you're walking, then you're on the horse. What's happening? I don't know.
>> Yeah, >> those are people who play uh who do the hobby horse thing, you know, the >> nice >> thing or Quidditch, maybe. Yeah.
>> Yes. Yes. I used to have one of those hobby horses. It was like a when I was a kid, it was the little unicorn one with the glittery hair.
Those were the good old days.
Okay. All right. So, let me jump into the comments here. If you guys have questions, make sure you put a QQQ or some question marks out in front. And um I don't know how long we have our our downsized friends. We're just hanging out.
>> Yeah. So, um make sure if you have questions for them that you you get them in. So, going through Linda says, "Happy birthday, Kevin."
Okay. Coupe. Hi, Ally. We love your content. Thank you. Uh, the name of the comedian that was on the tip of your tongue in a recent video was Ron White.
Yes, Tater Salad.
>> Salad.
>> Absolutely. They call me Tater Salad.
>> Wasn't he one of the voices on the on the Cars movies, too? Wasn't he?
>> Yes, I think so. Yeah, I think a couple of them were actually they did.
>> I think so. Yeah.
>> Yeah. You may remain silent. I just have that ability. That's right. That's right. Thank you. Yeah. I'm always making reference to stuff. I Coupe. I love that you remembered that from two weeks ago. You're phenomenal.
Thank you, >> Ally. She She was talking to me.
>> Yes. Yes, she was. And you are both looking beautiful as well.
>> It's the hair.
>> It is. Christopher had a full head of hair before he started the GLP1 medication. No, don't say that. That's terrible. That's my favorite joke.
>> I've been seeing I've been seeing so many people panicking in the support groups lately about hair loss and I'm like and I it just it hurts me to my core. Like I I get it. So yeah.
>> Hey Grant.
>> One of those things.
>> Yeah. I mean >> it it it does it you know when anytime you lose weight too rapidly you can start to lose hair and on any diet right so that's why people need to like really know you don't want to lose more than one to two pounds a week because things like hair falling out can happen right yeah Amelia yeah last week um I didn't have a live because I was sick If I had had a live, it would have just been you guys watching me watching Netflix with Kevin laid up in the bed.
>> Who's that guy? Oh, it's Tony from the Lvida Cruiser Loco.
>> Doesn't he have a channel where he just puts together Legos?
>> Yeah, he does.
>> He just puts >> There's a whole like sub genre of YouTube that's Lego YouTube. People just sit there.
>> We could have We could just watch you watch Netflix.
We could all watch it together. It would just I think it just counts as a watch party at that point.
>> Yeah, >> we could do Did you ever see the uh space theater science fiction theater?
>> Yes.
>> The little people at the bottom that make the commentary about the science fiction movie that's going on on the screen.
>> Yes. Yes, >> we would be good at that.
>> You and me would be awesome at that. And I first of all, I love that that entire series. And I'm pretty sure I live most of my life that way. Unless it's a new movie or a new show, then I will absolutely be quiet. But if it's something we've seen a bunch of times, oh my gosh, yes. That's that's me. I'm the little shadow.
>> I thought you were just doing that in general to the to the rest of the world.
>> Yes. Always. Just >> I'm just in the corner just making >> And your wife was going inside voice alley inside your head.
>> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Thankfully, I don't do it like, you know, if we're at a movie theater or something like that. So, I I keep it I I keep it in check for the most part. Oh my gosh, my light was just wigging out. Did you see that?
>> Saw that? Yeah. Got ghosts over there.
>> It was like a >> Maybe your light bulb burned out.
>> It was like a birthday disco moment.
I don't know what happened. Okay, no strobe lights tonight. Okay, JC says, "I take MJ from Lily and compounded Trosepide, but I notice the compounded does not suppress my hunger like the MJ does. Why is that if it's the same exact ingredient if it's the same dose?"
That's a very good question. Do you guys want to weigh in on this one?
>> Sure. So I I have taken about so I I've well let's rewind I've been on the medication two and a half years at this point right so the first year of it really 15 months was active weight loss I've been on maintenance since then and I have taken about half those weight loss shots were branded shots so started on Mangaro Zepbound didn't exist yet and then Zepbound kind of went all over the map because there was shortages and it was kind of a hot mess at that time and then have taken about the other half of it was compounded tursepide from probably I think I've taken from seven or eight different compoundingarmacies.
So they just have changed a good bit over I can tell you I've never noticed a lick of difference whatsoever.
>> Yeah. uh my personal theory on these kinds of questions and I'm not a scientist and don't have you know there's this is a researchable one right is that our bodies react differently every week to these medications and and we as human beings like to connect the dots and sometimes there's just not dots to connect. So it's more likely that your body just decided to behave that way that day than it is that there was something wrong with the medication.
It's possible there was something wrong, but probably not. If you're using a reputable pharmacy, if you're using a reputable telealth company, you know, personal theory, take it for what it's worth.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, um, a lot of times what I see is that people are looking for, um, consistency, right, across the weeks. And with peptides in general across the board, you're not going to get that, right? Especially if you're rotating injection sites, which JC I know we've talked about this before. Um, you know, when you rotate those injection sites, you can go and you can actually read the studies that they did based off of, um, insulin absorption, based off of the injection site. And a lot of people have different side effects based off of injection site. Not everybody, but some people do.
And then also there's different absorption rates. And so that may be something that you want to track.
>> Maybe, you know, you're having a specific injection site that's not giving you suppression like another one.
Um, for example, a lot of people that I've talked to, they talk about how there's less suppression when they're utilizing their thigh versus their torso, right? Or their stomach.
>> So, it's it's based on the individual, but it might be something that you want to track, right? Keep it on a spreadsheet. I used to do that when I first started out, and I was able to get so much data about what my body was doing. So that's what I would recommend.
>> So we all want to believe that we're constants and our bodies are constantly changing.
>> Yes.
>> Well, you know, to me, if I'm taking the same medication and I'm doing it in the same injection site and I'm on the same dose, what And I and I don't feel like it's the same suppression from week to week.
You know, why might that be? Um, and you know, are you exercising the same? Are you eating the same amount of food? Are you drinking the same amount of water?
Did you get the same amount of sleep? Is your stress level the same? Like, there's so many other factors that go into, you know, what makes our bodies release weight or hang on to weight or feel hungry or not feel hungry that it's just really hard to uh it's just really hard to break down. And the stuff the tracepetite in this is the same medicine as the tricepite in this. Like they're the same. Now I've only taken this. I've never taken >> Well, you've taken two of these.
>> I've taken one or two of these out of his uh what I from. I don't know where, but uh but and I don't ever think it felt any different. Now, I've only done my stomach in all of my likeund like 37 shots or I don't even know how. I think we're somewhere around there at this point. I've only gone around my stomach. Like he did arm once.
You've done >> arm a couple of times. I've done leg. I I can't tell the difference between the shot locations personally.
>> Yeah.
>> I didn't like the arm because I thought it hurt.
>> Yeah, it was not comfortable.
>> Put it into fat. I think >> I tried it a couple of times and I just didn't like it. My friend Elaine swears that she broke her stall by switching to the thigh. So, it's funny that you said you didn't get as much uh action out of the thigh. So, it just really varies from person to person. And the studies on the different injection sites are such small studies that you just really have to figure out if that's, you know, what's good for you.
>> Absolutely. Yeah. And that's a really good point, Lorraine, that you brought up about, you know, are we doing the exact same thing every single day, eating the same thing, right? Like >> we're constantly changing. That's a great point, >> okay, great. Everybody's laughing about Christopher.
Yay.
>> Well, it's it's an ongoing bit where they tell Lorraine how fabulous her hair is. I feel hurt all the time. No one ever says it about my hair.
What about me?
>> Well, Lorraine does have fabulous hair.
I I you know, hold true to that.
>> Toss toss.
>> That's right.
>> All right, JC. He's been missing us.
Okay. Why is it that the first 3 days when I take Tzepide, I'm fatigued and I feel like I have the flu. Why is that?
That's a really good question. Um, so I was definitely one of those people that experienced extreme fatigue the first few days after injection. If you go watch, you know, my early videos, you can go watch the playlist of my, you know, my weekly account of what was going on. I was actually recording from the bed >> because I spent every weekend in the bed. I had not only did I have extreme fatigue, but I also had joint pain >> in the big joints. So, shoulders and hips >> and it was like no amount of ibuprofen was going to alleieve that >> really.
>> Yeah. It was just one of those things.
Um, and based off of the research that I've done, the only thing that I came across, I did come across a couple of doctors that were talking about um, the fatigue could be caused by kicking your pancreas into gear. So, I like to refer to it as activate pancreas. And I used to that's how I would like pump myself up for knowing that I was going to feel fatigue. Um, and then one doctor doctor doctor speculated that the more extreme the fatigue, the more the medication was really having to get your pancreas going. So, but I I I wasn't ever able to find any research on that. That was just his speculation.
>> Yeah.
>> But the first three days isn't a surprise. I mean, you're going to that's going to always be the time when the medicine's the strongest >> because you're looking at Tzepide with a 5day halflife. So by the fifth day, it's going to almost cut itself in half the first few and it kind of does these peaks and valleys, right, as you take your shots and and it builds over the course of 28 days. So you're naturally whatever your side effect is going to be is going to be in that early time.
>> Yeah, I had a lot of fatigue in the beginning uh also. But I I mean I would be like I went to take a shower and I'd get out of the shower and I'd be like I'm exhausted. I gotta go lay down.
>> Yes. Yes.
And there was nothing to do for it except for rest. Now I have heard a lot of talk about people saying, you know, are you drinking enough water? Add some electrolytes to your water. Everybody take a drink of water now.
>> Yes.
>> So, you know, if you're if you're dehydrated, that could that could go toward the toward the fatigue, but sometimes you just there's nothing to do but just lay down if you can.
Yeah, it's just one of those things.
Yeah. So, um, side note, since we're talking about hydration, what are you guys drinking tonight?
>> I have a diet cherry coke and water.
>> Cherry Coke. Excellent.
>> Yeah. Just >> awesome. I am drinking fruit rollup.
>> What?
>> What?
>> Yeah. So, this is in my weekly favorites. I have a review video that's going to be coming out soon. So, this is the loaded tea from the loaded tea shop.
And um you guys, I >> a little THC going on there.
>> Do what?
>> A little THC going on there.
>> No, not that kind of loaded.
>> No. So, um it's got zero calories, zero carbs, zero artificial color, and zero sugar. But what it does have is natural caffeine and some awesome flavors. Now, for anybody who's been on my channel for any length of time, you know I am horrible at meeting my water goal. It is one of the areas I have always struggled my whole life, not just in a GLP1 world.
Um, but with these, you guys, I am surpassing my water goal. These flavors are phenomenal. And I was actually that was like the main thing that I remembered when I first started to get sick because then nothing tasted right.
So I was like, okay, I have to stop. Cuz I was doing a new flavor every day.
>> And I remembered that that first day that I woke up and I was sick. I was like, I'm not going to be able to drink a loaded tea today because I can't taste it.
>> But these are phenomenal. So, like I said, today I'm doing um fruit rollup, which is a 10 out of 10. Um the last live I did, I think I was doing the flavors called frog spit.
>> Delicious.
>> Sounds lovely, >> right? Yeah, they're out of Louisiana, so I think I think we had a conversation with them.
>> So, yeah, but the flavors are phenomenal. So, I've got it linked down in the description box um with a coupon code if you guys are interested in trying it. And um like I said, I bought all the flavors. They have like 80 flavors. I bought every single flavor and I'm going to be reviewing it. So, make sure you stick around for that.
>> Well, you know, and that gives you like a reason to drink water, right? Because now you have to try all the flavors. So, that's a good little uh incentive for yourself to to drink water.
>> It's perfect. And one thing that I'm really excited about is so they come in these little individual packets for the flavors, >> but you can actually get like four drinks out of one packet because they give you so much powder.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. It's like those packets like you take a whole one and you want to die.
>> Exactly. Yes. Yes. only got a bill of salt. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, uh like this flavor is called Bob Marley.
>> They've just got like all these really fun.
>> I'm sure there's not THC in this.
>> No, there's not.
>> You need to read the back.
>> I mean, it just said loaded and then it is Bob Marley. I see I see kind of a trend there. But anyway, um I'm sure it's fine. I'm sure it's fine. Yeah.
Sure.
>> Jude said, "Look who's here for Kevin's birthday." That's right. food.
Okay, Jolie says, "I have a question for the downsize." All right, Lorraine. I'm on Zetbound 10 milligram. I cannot see how 10 milligram is a maintenance dose as I can barely eat on 10. As hard, it's hard to believe you get hungry on it at all.
Well, uh, Jolie, I think she's saying that because she probably knows that I'm on 10 milligrams of compounded currently, and she's wondering how can that be my maintenance dose if she can barely eat on it. And that therein kind of lies the point is that my maintenance dose is not going to be the same as Christopher's or Jolie's, right? You have to find the dose that works for you. So, if you're on 10 milligrams for maintenance and you can barely eat, go down in dose. Like, drop down to 7.5 or or whatever your next step down is, right? Because I want to be hungry for breakfast, for lunch, for dinner. I want to get those hunger cues so that I remember to eat. I don't want to eliminate my hunger forever, right? We always thought hunger was the bad guy back before GLP1. We didn't want to be hungry. We Yeah. I I would eat anything to avoid being hungry, right?
And now it's I don't You have to get back to a place where those hunger cues are there to tell you to eat. And I now I get a full signal that I never got before. So, but my maintenance dose may not be your maintenance dose. Everybody's going to be different on this and your maintenance dose over time may change. I was on 7.5 as a maintenance dose for about a year. And then I was like, you know what? I don't think this is hitting the same as it was. And maybe I changed, maybe, you know, it was something in me, but I did go up to 10 and I've been on 10 now for a couple months and it's better. So, you know, it's it's gonna things are going to change over time and it's okay to, you know, figure it out. You're you need to be the expert on you.
>> Exactly.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And I remember, you know, moving up through the doses, there were there were a couple of times where I was like, whoa, okay, this baby is strong.
Okay, I'm I need to stay on top of my protein. But that, you know, would would kind of subside with time and then it would kind of even out. But, um, yeah, I agree with Lorraine. If if you're finding that it's too challenging, definitely talk to your doctor.
>> Yes, we're not doctors. This is not medical advice.
>> That's right. We're not doctors and we don't play one on TV. But you know who does play one on TV?
>> Shay at Downsizing Diva.
Shay.
Hey Shay.
>> How are you all?
>> Hey, thank you so much for Kevin coming to Kevin's birthday bash. How are you?
>> Welcome. I said, whose birthday bash is it? I did not know. Okay, Kevin. Go Kevin. Go Kevin. Happy birthday. Happy birthday.
>> Birthday.
>> Oh my goodness. I am such a I am s in such good company. It's so good to see you two over there.
>> Hey, downsizing diva. How are you?
>> I am good. I'm good and tired. I'm packing up packing up my 32 years. So, I'm tired, but I had to come. But my girliring, you're retiring this year from being a school teacher.
>> Tomorrow's my last day.
>> Oh, >> see, you could have come on the cruise.
Sh, >> you could have done it to celebrate.
Bring your daughter.
>> I'm gonna go on that cruise. What? I'm gonna go on that cruise. Ally had to come on that cruise with me. I'm going on that cruise. I'm bring crew of people.
>> So, yeah. So, I mean, you never know what could happen for from here. I don't know what I'm doing. I just know I'm here right now.
>> Congratulations on 32 years of teaching.
God bless America. How what grades were you teaching for 32?
>> Well, that's a great question. I've always been the third grade teacher of record, but I taught 345. Can you believe that? It was a 345 split. That was interesting. And then they realized that wasn't the way to go. So then I taught a two three split and then they realized that wasn't the way to go. So now I'm just teaching, you know, maybe for the last 15 to 18 years I've been just teaching third graders.
>> Yeah.
>> So you were doing a three, four, five split. So you had babies and like kids with knives.
>> Exactly fifth graders that you were a little afraid of.
>> They didn't bring it. Well, third grade is so hard because third grade's the year, right, Shay? where they have to like read for information like they're they're supposed to know how to read and then sometimes they get there and maybe they it's it's a struggle, right? At least it looks like my work child.
>> Yes. And I live in Ohio and a lot of the you know the little ones were coming up unable to read. So, they passed this law and I don't know how I feel about the law, but I do um believe all kids should be reading by third grade, but actually they should be reading before they get there because the kids were coming not a lot of them not able to read. They passed this law and so we've been plugging away and a lot of the little ones are showing growth now. By the time you're in third, you know, and it's funny because they'll say like, "Oh, they have phonics now." Well, we're reading paragraphs and writing, you know, essays. What do you mean they can do phonics now? like they need to be, you know, interpreting the information.
So, you know, uh, you know, I just give a shout out to all the teachers, anybody working in a public realm, it's just like all of us on YouTube, right? It's just >> I don't It's not quite the same.
>> No, but we appreciate it. [ __ ] >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. But, I mean, it's tough, you know, when you're working with the public, you know, and you know, people love you today. I always say this, people love you today and then you say one thing and you're out of there. And that's the same with teaching. you know the parents love you one day you do something you say something and then it's like they don't love you anymore so I tell the new teachers out there just lead with your heart you cannot go wrong if you do that you know I always say I have this message on my email and it says you know you can pay someone to teach but you can't pay someone to care and I say that you know I have a nineyear-old that's going you know up through the school years and you know I want teachers in there that really care if you can find somebody that really cares about the kids, you're in business, right? Um and so yeah, so that's what I'm that's what I'm hoping that my daughter has and that's what I hope I've been all these years. So I'm excited. My parents and the staff just they just um sent me out with a bang. So I'm excited.
>> That's great. Congratulations.
>> Yes, that's awesome. Okay. All right.
Let me let me jump back into the comments here now that we got a a full crew. The this should just be labeled the awesomeness crew. Okay, so JC says, "I heard Lily is trying to make Rea a biologic. Does that mean compound will never be available?"
>> Maybe.
>> Maybe. Yeah. I mean that's the the theory is actually we did a whole news report on it and essentially if they can get what happened was the FDA said it it was not a biologic and Lilia appealed it to the court and the court said ah Lily FDA it seems like you made an arbitrary decision you're going to have to go back we're going to have to take a look at it. So the courts are taking a look at it and it's really about how many pieces are in the amino acid of it which is terribly complicated science that I don't really understand but if if it goes that way then it would not be allowed to be compounded.
>> Yeah. They want it to be a biologic because then it can't legally any possible way be compounded >> and it would it would extend the patents out about five or six years I think as well. So they'd make a whole lot more money. But you know what? People who are gonna want to get it illegally are gonna get it illegally. So I mean not that compounding is illegal. I'm talking like you know people reatride is not uh FDA approved and there's no compounding version now but people are trying it through the gray market. So, we don't really like want to talk about that, but um you know, that's kind of kind of what we see.
>> Yeah, I think it'll be interesting to see what route they take if they can't get it as a biologic.
>> I'm I'm curious to see where they're going to launch it, right? Like in what what kind of insurance tier is it going to be in? Because we hear right we hear a lot of people talking about it being an escalation drug. So you know people >> I mean Dave Ricks has been very clear about it in his statements. He has said it will be their top tier drug that it will be for people with probably the BMI 40 plus with multiple coorbidities. This is he they're not going to launch it >> as a general tzepetide competitor. It's going to be >> something to go up.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It'll it'll definitely be the the top price. It'll be who knows how much it'll be, but you know, if if the list price of Zepbound came out at what did it come out at $1,200 $1,300 before insurance, I mean, you can expect that at least or more for uh Red True Tide. I would I would guess probably more. Probably a lot more.
So listening to you guys, I'm kind of nervous here because I thought I would be somebody who, you know, could benefit from reat. Now, mind you, I'm on 12 and a half milligrams. I still have 60 to 70 pounds to go. I think I'll be moving up to 15 here soon. And I thought, this 15 is going to take me out in my retirement year, retirement years. And then I thought, okay, then I started hearing like, maybe you have to have a BMI of 40 and above. Well, I won't make that cut.
Oh, I I I think the other path in will be the path that you're on though. The because you have a doctor, you have a medical history, and if you have worked through the drugs and there's an escalation, there's a re there's a reason for your doctor to say you need it.
>> I think there's a way to get into it. I don't think people on the street are going to be walk with a 27 BMI and go, >> I need me some red fruit. They're I just I don't see it happening because really the way Lily has and Rick's talked about it, I mean, you can go out and watch the videos. It's essentially they're looking at it like they're managing a car portfolio. Reputite is is the Corvette.
Not everybody can afford or needs a Corvette.
>> Is a Chevy truck.
>> They're going to sell the crap out of Chevy trucks all day long and they will get you where you need to go and they are reliable as hell.
>> Fondo is a little Chevy, you know, sedan.
>> It's okay. It'll get you there. Are you really happy with it?
>> Reliable. Reliable.
It'll still get you there though.
>> Well, you know, and people need to understand that uh you know, reatrite, like he was saying, reatrite is not for those last five pounds. There was a lady in my exercise class at the gym the other day and she came up to me. She goes, "I keep hearing about a true tide because she's on a GLP1, but she doesn't she hasn't told her family or friends or anybody. So, I'm like the only one she can like discuss things with, right?"
So, she's like I said, "Yeah, I read a True Tide." Yeah. It's it's supposed to be, you know, the very uh best at at weight loss. And she goes, you know, I I wonder if I could get it for my last five pounds. I'm like, girl, this is not for you. She goes, well, I'm 125 pounds and I'd really like to be 120. I said, this this is not the drug for you.
This is a drug for people with a hundred or more pounds to lose or, you know, as an escalation if you've reached the end of uh Zepbound at some point.
>> Yeah. I mean, Shay, you've got a documented history. I I don't now whether your insurance will cover it, that's a whole different conversation, but >> right, >> I think there would be a medical reason, not a doctor, to to argue that either that or Kagraimma or one one of the new drugs coming along might help you get where you need to go.
>> Yeah.
Yes. Well, I'm I'm hopeful and I think it will. I haven't even gotten to 15. I don't know why I'm even thinking past it. And I think all of you guys have been on 15 milligrams, right, before.
>> Um I guess not. Not you, Lorraine.
>> 12.5. But yeah.
>> Well, I always hear people say, you know, when you move up, that doesn't mean more weight loss. And I'm when I'm moving up, I'm moving up with some healthy habits. So, I'm hoping when I move up with those healthy heads, >> I continue to lose weight. It just doesn't necessarily go faster. It's just the same.
>> It goes the way it goes, right?
>> I mean, I've I've been on 15 now. Gosh, >> a year, >> a year, probably longer than a year. So, I mean, my last six months, well, more than more than a year. My last six months of weight loss were on 15 and I kept losing and now I've been on 15 in maintenance which I felt really great when the Lily research came out and said, "Hey, that's what you should do."
>> People were giving me [ __ ] every day about staying on 15.
>> Why do you think that is that people always want to titrate down at once they get on 15? And I have a lot of people in maintenance, you know, my subscribers over there saying, you know, I'm going down to 12 or I'm going down to a lot of them are >> I I think there's a couple of reasons. I think number one, cost. I mean, because there is es particularly in the branded side, the cost goes up as you go up.
>> I think there's also a weird morality about the dose that I'm somehow better if I didn't have to get to a higher dose or >> I just need a little dose. I don't really I don't really need it, but I you know I can just take a little bit. No, if you have the disease of obesity, you need the the medication and my dose again isn't going to be the same as his dose or your dose or whatever. So, it's and it doesn't matter.
>> People don't understand they don't understand that. And I came down in dose uh when I hit my goal weight um because I was losing I was losing weight and I was like I'm I'm done. I want to stop now. So I came down, I was still losing about a pound a month. I came down again, I was still losing weight. So I had to kind of find a stopping point because I had gone up so quickly, I think too quickly, you know, a month at each of the first three doses because that's what I thought you were supposed to do back in fall of 2023.
Um, so you know, I just kind of wanted to see where I could fall. Could I save some money? You know, all those all those kind of things. And now I think the fear that we have is what if it what if it stops working at some point? What if you know he's on the top dose? What if two years from now it you know we don't we don't know, right? Um so that's kind of thoughts that we have now. We don't we know people who have been on GLP1s for four years, four years plus.
Well, they've been through several different GLP ones, but yeah.
>> Yeah. So, we've been on Trespatide for two and a half years and been in maintenance for >> a year and a half.
>> Yeah.
>> Is so Yeah. There's a we there's still a long runway to go and there's new drugs coming out all the time. So, it's but it's it's almost like, >> you know, what what what does the future look like for us? I mean, I basically for really until this Lily study came out, at least once alive, somebody would give me crap about still being on on 15.
And I we, you know, we interviewed doctors almost every week. And there were a couple of doctors that I really respected, Dr. Beverly Chang, who were like, "This is the strategy that I tell people." And I'm like, "I think that strategy sounds good. I'm going to try that." Talked to my doctor and it's worked fine for me. Now, you have to add calories back in. medicine doesn't do it all by itself. You've gotta, if you stay in a calorie deficit, turns out you're gonna keep losing weight. Um, but >> yeah, >> you got a long you got a long way to go, Sh You can keep going.
>> Yeah. And by the way, side note, what other medication is there on the market that has this weird competitive thing like, "Oh, I lost all my weight on 2.5.
I lost all my weight on 15. My maintenance dose is a micro dose. Like what other medication out there do we have this?
>> I think the fear is for some of us or we're thinking and I I'll speak for myself and some of I've been getting a lot of comments about this lately too.
People have been saying, you know, when I get to 15, if I don't reach my goal on 15, then what? Like because there is nowhere else to go. And I think that's why a lot of times people love the compounds. I know there's people out there that are probably doing, you know, above what 15 would equal to on a compound because they wanted to see the, you know, the weight loss happen. So, I think that's the fear for me. It's never been about like I had, you had to lose on this dose or I had to, you know, you lost all yours on 2.5. I never forget this lady. I heard she lost like almost 200 pounds on 2.5. And I said, geez Louise, these these sales and these fat sales are like, oh no. I mean, I wouldn't lose on 2.5. I give you, you know, if you your body was not as metabolically in dysfunction as mine, you know, you could lose two, you know, on 2.5. So, I never felt that. I think you have to find your dose. And for me, that 10 and that 12 and a half, it did its job until now. It's not, you know, I'm getting to that point where now it's not. So, I guess that's that has been my fear. Um, and I'm afraid I'm not afraid.
I've lost Okay, I probably have gained a couple pounds now since I've been on retirement celebration.
It's my total loss 88 pounds and I want to lose 60 to 70 more and you know, have you guys had this? Now, Ally, we got to talk about this neck situation. Now, my neck is a little bit better because I think I'm filling out. I've been using this cream. Now, I saw this cream. I got a recommendation for this cream. Now, this is I couldn't remember what Ally and I talked about. So I like Google Schmoole get this cream and I'm like this cream is it's right at the top and it's like $17. I said I'mma order like 15 bottles. Well then I go on the actual site and it was like for like a a a P size in your hand and to get like the you know 1.7 O it was kind of expensive but I've been using that. So I would say to myself like how am I gonna look?
Because I started to feel like I had like really a thin thin face and I started and people would say to me like oh my gosh you know I could really see it in your face. I was seeing the you know the neck the you know all the crepey skin and and I thought I don't want this. You know I want the rest of the body to go but I don't want to mess with the face. I don't know. I'm a little nervous about that.
>> I don't want to have face. I saw Kim from the plus sides on Tik Tok do like you know those under eye patches that are so popular you see >> the people with them. So I have a bunch of those. Well, she had a um a neck mask that was like that kind of gel kind of stuff that she like wrapped around your ears and like >> went on your >> Look at Chris is looking like what?
>> Yeah, she showed it like before and after and it it like showed some improvement and I'm like, you know, I have some of these under eye patches.
What if I just wrapped it around my neck? So, sometimes I do that.
>> Was there also Keianti and Fava beans?
What what's happening?
>> Well, I mean, you know, you skin care, right? So, exfoliation, moisturization, the occasional mask or whatever, all those things are going to help. I don't know anything that's really gonna, you know, I'm 57. Like, unless I get some surgical intervention, like it's it's not going to really reverse or anything.
So, I mean, but I did see that on Tik Tok. It's probably on Tik Tok shop. I don't know the name of it, but um it was some kind of neck mask. If you go on Kim from the plus sides, it's like looks like plus side with a Z at the end.
>> Anyway, that's that's all >> you're just using those AI thumbnails that make you make you look like Beyonce, too. So, >> I am loving Shay's thumbnails. Loving them.
>> Those are my glamour shots. Not for nothing. I love those glamour shots.
Listen, I have to do a double take. I'm like I'm, you know, sitting in a meeting at work and I'm like scrolling through and I'm like, "Whoa, check out that hottie. Who is that? Oh my god, it's a new video." And then I click on it. So, yeah, I'm loving your thumbnails.
Fantastic.
>> That is too funny. Yes. So, you know, I um I don't really want to be about all about looks and stuff, but I think when you get to be, you know, 50, I don't really want to slow down the aging process, but I want to have as the least amount of wrinkles as I can get. So, I've been getting my sleep. I say to myself, I'm over there on my channel staying hydrated and minding my business. And that's going to keep me looking as young as I can look and feeling as good as I can feel. Look, Phil. So, you know, let me tell you, first of all, uh, Lorraine, your arms are like giving me Angela Basset vibes.
Look at those arms. What are you doing over there? And then Chris, and I forgot that you look good, too. I mean, you guys are looking good. And Ally, wait a minute. The background, the pink, the shirt, and then wait a minute. I saw your thumbnail and I said, does she have on a crop top? I mean, come on now.
Looking good.
Did you see Did you see the thumbnail for the um the booty shot video?
>> I saw that.
>> That one was funny. I was like, "Oh my gosh, I gotta put a big smiley face on this."
>> I love it. I love it. You got to get creative here on YouTube, you know? I'm figuring that out. Um and I I I love seeing the videos. A lot of the videos are kind of like has that cartoon kind of thing. I don't know if that's chat GTP or whatever it is, but yeah, some interesting thumbnails, some creativity.
I love a good creative thought with these thumbnails. I say be creative.
Chad GPT for sure. Uh yeah. No. Um you know, muscle is important. It's, you know, we talk about muscle, we talk about protein. Um, I've been trying to do some more weights in my I do classes at the gym near our house, so I do a lot of classes that incorporate, you know, hand weights into those. So, yeah, it all it all kind of adds up. I was trying to uh do a pull-up. I was trying to uh I was on a quest to be able to do one pull-up and I could only get so far and then I was like, you know what? I really have to like go in the weight room and do weight stuff if I want to get the rest of the way. And I kind of uh put it on hold for a while, but I might I might go back to it.
>> Oh, I love that. I need to get into um challenging myself to lift he heavier weights. So, because I you know, I work out to this program and I'm so used to it and I feel like I thought 10 was hard, you know, hard, but now 10 is getting easy. So, I need to lift some heavier weights. So, that's my challenge. I don't know if I'm going to get a trainer for a couple months just to kind of so I'll know what to do or not. I'm not sure. But I know I need to do something. I got to get those Lorraine Angela Basset on.
>> And I I remember seeing Angela Basset on that when she won like a like a Emmy or an Oscar, something. And I remember or maybe it was >> Viola Davis had these shoulders.
>> She's another one. Yeah. before I lost weight, like my shoulders used to go like a slope. Like they like pur my purse would fall off my my shoulder like they just were kind of just sloped. But now that I've lost weight, like you can see my collar bones and stuff and and even my girls are like, "Mom, you're so bony up there now." And I'm like, "Yeah, it's weird." And I can wear my purse on my shoulder and it doesn't fall off. And I'm like, "All right, non-scale victory, I guess."
>> Yeah. But it's I I never I I I never wore sleeveless anything until about what five five years ago, maybe something like that.
>> And then I just got to the point where I'm just like screw it. It's hot here in North Carolina. I'm wearing sleeveless.
I was always so self-conscious of my arms because my mom was also self-conscious of her arms. So, and you know what 12-year-old thinks about their triceps? And no one. So, you know, it's it's a lot to it's it's a lot I got to get over. I may never get over all of it, but it's >> seems unlikely.
>> Little by little.
>> It's worth a shot, though.
>> It's worth a shot.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay, cool. All right. Well, I wanted to uh highlight one of the comments that we had here because I feel like I feel like we've all been here. So, Jude, first and foremost, thank you so much for sharing.
Jude said, "I'm having what I call a bad eating day. I still don't come close to what I used to eat, but I've been munching all day. It just doesn't feel good, but it will pass."
>> Is tomorrow your shot day? That's what I would ask. Right. That's the first question. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Because I always eat more the day before shot day. Like the that last day of the week. Uh yeah, I definitely can. That's today.
Today is the LA. And I've kind of been munching around the house like looking through the pantry like I'm hungry for dinner. When are we going to eat dinner?
I'm want >> squirrel in the pantry earlier.
>> It was just Lorine.
>> Well, it's just Yeah. And you know, and it takes me back to my old Weight Watchers days when I used to have to count the points of everything. So, I would try to figure out what's what could I eat for the least amount of points like, and could I delay eating something like, oh, maybe I'll just fix a big cup of water with a packet of flavor in it. Maybe I'll make some tea. Maybe I'll make a small bag of popcorn. Maybe I, you know, so I have all these little delay tricks that worked somewhat in the past when that food noise was telling me to eat, eat, eat all the time. So sometimes when I hear that, it's not and it's not coming back like that. But the end of the week, I am looking for snacks I'm not looking for on day one, two, or three of my shot. So you just kind of have to be aware of that and just kind of give yourself some grace. Also, it's it's okay to eat at different calorie levels through the week, right?
And I think it's even helpful to some days have higher calorie days, especially if you're in a plateau. Like a lot of people are like, I can't lose any more weight. I said, you probably need to eat more calories for a couple days. And you know, it's my my eat a cheeseburger theory. You know, eat something high calorie for a couple days and then go back to your regular regular programming and and see if that helps.
So, you know, Jude, don't don't stress.
I mean, it's >> and Jude, these these are these medications are designed to treat the disease of obesity. They're not diets.
It's not about deprivation. It's not about you working hard to earn it. It's not about any of that. So, it's so hard to avoid that moralized language around food because we've all been taught that.
So, we're not we're not going to escape it. But talking about bad days and good days and you don't have to. It's not your fault. It's okay.
>> You're just eating more calories today.
>> What I'll tell you is, and I said this, I think last night on our live, it's >> because it's the medical treatment of the disease of obesity. As long as you're taking your shot or taking your pill, whatever you're doing, the medicine will keep working. Whe you have a good day or a bad day, whether you have a good mood or a bad mood, it doesn't matter. The medicine's in there and it's working. So, your job is to get just to get through that day and start the next day and keep moving and take your shot every week because consistenc.
I also want to add too, I'm noticing a lot of people are thinking that they're not supposed to ever be hungry while they're taking the GOP1. And that's definitely not true. You're going to be hungry. You will have like what you call the munchies. And I think when we started, I know when I started, I'll speak for myself, I didn't have that those things, right? They were just kind of gone, very quiet. The food noise, the cravings, and all those things. And as I've been on the medication for two plus years, I notice now it's like I really have to make a conscious choice, especially when I get to like day five, six, and you know, to take my next injection to, you know, make sure I'm conscious of being in that calorie deficit and making sure I don't have my daughter's goodies handy dandy, you know, that I would want to snack on. And before I just didn't want it. So, I think people get into a, you know, kind of a panic because you didn't want it ever and now when you want it again or you feel that hunger that you, you know, your appetite was suppressed for so long, I think people get in panic mode and then they start being discouraged and and feeling like they're a failure on this medication. And it that's not what it is. I mean, we know that medication wans off. And I don't know what day, you know, this is for her in her week, you know, taking the the injection, but if it's closer to that next point where you take that next injection, I wouldn't beat yourself up about that. That's pretty normal for a lot of us. And I would just say, you know, allow yourself to, you know, feel whatever you're feeling with those munchies and get some things to munch on that are high protein. I think that that helps me when I'm, you know, wanting something to snack on and I can either choose my daughter's Doritos or I could choose like that boiled egg or, you know, cut up some, you know, whatever chicken bites or something like that that I could go for a protein bar, you know, take that protein shake. I do that, you know, as well. And, um, I think you we have to go with it. We just have to set ourselves up for success.
And when you can't do it, then you just give yourself grace and you start over at the next bite, the next meal, and not on a Monday. Especially if it's Tuesday.
You don't start next Monday.
The next time you eat or you start Wednesday, right? So, I just think that we have to normalize that we're going to be hungry taking the GLP1. It might not start out that way, but eventually it will end up that way, and you have to learn how to manage it.
>> Yeah. Yep.
>> Yeah. How many times have we said we'll start that diet on Monday?
>> I could have retired on money made from saying that to myself. I was I'll just get through the weekend.
>> Do you want to order wings? Oh, yeah.
Let's get some wings. Yeah. No, trust me. That was my >> my famous last words said a million times over again.
>> So, yeah, I uh I totally agree. And um one thing that I will throw in that helps me if I'm feeling munchy but not necessarily gravitating towards the protein style snacks, which of course that's a great way to get in your protein. Um sometimes I just don't feel like it. I'm like I don't want protein.
Like Shay said a boiled egg and I like inside I flinched a little bit and I was like no egg again. So, >> I can't do a boiled egg. Sorry. No. No.
A deileled egg. I could do just a boiled egg. No.
>> One thing that I do is I I say to myself if I'm getting munchy, I'm like, "Okay, let me let me sit down and think about how I feel. Am I bored? Am I anxious?
>> What is my thought process?" And if I'm not having an emotion, right, that's triggering to eat, which is one of the challenges that I have, then I'll be like, "Okay, so I am legitimately hungry. Okay, what kind of healthy snacks do I have?" Which I always have on hand. Fruit and vegetables. I keep them pre-repped in the fridge, cut up with dip, protein dips, whatever makes me happy that week. and that keeps me on track. So, don't be afraid if you're feeling hungry to reach for something that's a low calorie, high volume option. I used to make videos when I first started out and I was like, you know what? I couldn't stop eating today.
And I was like, every time I get like this, I'm opening up a can of green beans. There was one day that I ate four cans of green beans.
>> Oh my god. because I was just I was having a moment and I was like if I am legitimately hungry I'm going to eat this can of green beans and you can cook different ways.
>> Yeah.
>> I had a Weight Watchers who used to say that all the time. If you're really hungry you will eat a can of green beans. And we all we used to be like oh well I guess I'm not really that hungry because I'm not going to eat a can of green beans. And then you ate that. You were really hungry like you your body was craving something. it was needing, you know, something. So, >> green beans, apparently.
>> Green beans, apparently.
>> I am a green bean fanatic. So, that's just the example that I use. But yeah.
>> No, that's a I mean, that's a good example. Sometimes you just have to eat, right? You can only, you know, and that's okay. We're supposed to eat.
We're, you know, it's it's hard to figure out, you know, if we've always over ate because we've always had this food noise, it's hard to figure out what what are we supposed to eat? How many calories am I supposed to eat a day?
People ask me that all the time. I don't know.
You can calculate it, you know, ask your doctor, but it's it's kind of just a trial and error kind of process.
>> Yeah. One of the questions that I've been getting a lot um in on my videos is um how many times a day do you eat?
>> So I will pose the question to you guys.
How many times a day do you eat?
>> Three.
>> Three. Okay. Three square >> unless unless it's like the day before shot day which is today. I think I ate one, two, three, four, five times. What time is it right now?
Yeah, it's it's I I I had some coffee with some uh protein shake. I went to the gym. I got something after the gym that I brought home. That shall remain nameless. Uh then, you know, a couple hours went by and I'm hungry again. So, I ate a a protein bar. you know, it's just kind of like I just couldn't kind of get on top of it. And so we got to dinner and dinner time and I'm like, you got to make this dinner right now because I'm gonna >> We filmed the dinner. So >> And he filmed himself cooking ourselves cooking it. And I mean, I ate two plates of it. I was hungry. I was like, I'm >> But I I typically eat twice a day now.
>> He only eats there.
>> There's a lot of people out there who have been playing games around fasting and all of this stuff.
I don't believe in any of that stuff. If that works for you, great. That's not at all why I do it. I just don't typically eat breakfast. I never have in my life.
I will. I don't dislike breakfast, but I I don't think there's any sort of scientific magic around around avoiding a meal. Um, so it's typically twice a day for me.
>> About for you, Ally?
>> Um, yeah. So, I am a I'm a three meals a day with the optional snack.
>> So, um if you want to count the protein shake with, you know, in the prof as breakfast, I'll do that. I'm not a big breakfast eater either. High five, Chris. Um and um I I've always just kind of been that way. But um I do try to start off the day with protein just so I can I can get to that protein goal. But um yeah, usually three meals and then optional snack. What about you, Shay?
>> Same three meals. Um, and I I know it's because I'm on a because I'm on a schedule, but on the weekends sometimes I don't eat until two or three in the in the afternoon. I just get busy and I say to myself, I'm not going to eat until like 11ish and then the next thing I know it is, you know, 2 3. One time I didn't eat till I want to say like 7 o'clock at night and I wasn't even hungry. I thought, how long can I do this? I didn't try it, but I just thought that um because you know the medication does just kind of squash your appetite a little bit, but for the most part, three times a day and then I try to get a snack in there to try to get the protein in. Um you know, and and you know, I'm a type two diabetic.
So, I try to follow that, you know, my doctor's telling me to get this then and you know, eat this way and eat that way.
And so, you know, it has been helpful.
And then here I went to see a dietician and she told me to, you know, she said that the one thing you're doing wrong is you're not eating enough because I had, you know, I took, you know, um, you know, my little app with what I've been eating. I had things printed out. I was showing her what I was eating and, you know, she was like, "You need to eat more." And I was kind of in a at a standstill. And then when I ate the 1,800 calories, I dropped two pounds. So it's like, go figure.
>> Nice. I love that. Dieticians, man, they are worth their weight and gold. If you can find a good one that's GLP1 supportive, they can really be fantastic, >> especially if you got diabetes.
>> With with type two, can you be in remission or if you so if your A1C is at, you know, your a normal level? I know there's no cure, but is do we call it being in remission?
>> Yeah, that's what it is.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Yeah. The medical community, the consensus right now is once a diabetic, always a diabetic.
>> Um there's a lot of people that, you know, that that want to push that and say, right, that they can maintain with diet alone. Um, and some people can, which is fantastic, but I'm not 100% sure if if that counts the way they think it does, right? So that you'll see people, especially in support groups that are like, oh, you know, I got off the Marjaro and the Ompic and I'm doing good and I'm just doing the diet and I'm I'm okay and my sugars are good, which is great and more power to them. Um, but you know, it's just one of those things where each person is an individual. So I I am one of those people where I'm like, yeah, you know, it's in it's in remission, but it it didn't cure anything. It's it's still there.
>> Yeah, >> that's we're not type two diabetics, but diabetics, but that's how I feel about the disease of obesity, right? Once you have the disease of obesity, you always have it. And a lot of people have started saying, we've heard people saying, you know, my obesity is in remission, which sounds kind of weird, right? But it's it's a similar thing because I don't have the overweight or, you know, the the pounds anymore, but it's still it's still there.
>> It's it's still there. you take away my medicine and it's gonna come roaring back just like it has for the last, you know, all of my life. So, I don't want to, you know, get away from it. And I think a lot of times it's it's a, you know, people want to come off the medication because they think it's better or they're superior or they can do it on their own. Um, you know, if and if I could have done it on my own, I would have two half marathons ago and I wouldn't be sitting here right now, right? So, it's it's I know I can't do it on my own. And I've always had the healthy lifestyle. I've always been on Weight Watchers and it I just couldn't control my brain that told me to eat all the time. So, anyway, similar disease of obesity maybe to type two diabetes in the fact that I don't it's never it never goes away. It's not cured.
Yeah, I I like with the the disease of obesity part. I like when people say it's controlled >> just like when the diabetics say my blood sugars are controlled.
>> So it's not necessarily remission. It's just under control, >> right?
>> I love the illusion of thinking that I am in control. I love that. That's fantastic.
>> The illusion of find me up.
>> Yes.
As long as I have my medication, I can be in control of my eating. Like really, that's >> that's what it comes down to. You take this away and I I am my brain is now in control of my eating.
>> So, yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> All right. Okay. Um, so Barbara says, "What is the next step if you're on 15 milligrams and have more weight to lose?"
rule today. The next step is take your shot.
>> You can continue to you can continue to lose weight on 15 milligrams for a long time >> if if at some point you hit a theoretical limit.
There's things you can add. So, I would find a real obesity specialist and and there are people who have had success with metformin. There are people who hate it. There's there's other things you can do. There's lifestyle things you can do and there's new medications that are on on the horizon. So, Kagrama will be out for sure this year. Ratatruide will be out the following year and there's another actually I've got a video I'm working on. There's another 15 drugs that that will in all likelihood be out in the next six or seven years.
So, different pathways, amalins, glucagons, all kinds of stuff going.
We really have to manage to today and do the best we can right now and not panic about what happens if >> Yeah.
>> because there will be more options tomorrow. There will be cheaper medications. There will be smarter doctors because they'll actually have training. There'll be all kinds of stuff coming.
>> Well, and that's kind of like I mean this is not our channel so I can talk about maybe our children a little bit but our youngest daughter uh She's downstairs.
>> Our youngest daughter is not here.
>> Oh, no. The other one is here.
>> She's actually in trouble now.
>> Yeah. No, she's she's >> Look about your friend, but we know it's your daughter.
>> Um, yeah. So, she lost a substantial amount of weight on Zetbound and now she's kind of leveled off. So, for the last maybe eight months, she has not lost any more weight. And she probably to get to a not overweight range, probably to a a healthier BMI, she would need to lose probably another 30ish pounds.
>> So, she's and she's very happy where she is and she's still taking her shot every week. She would like, of course, to, you know, to finally get to that uh, you know, healthy weight range, but it's it's just kind of not happening. And I guess she's been on the medication now for a year and a half.
>> Yep.
>> And so, >> but she says, "Dad, I lost 140 pounds."
And every day I lost 140 pounds is a good day, >> right? So >> he's still doing exactly all the things because this is what another thing I wonder about you know what causes somebody to have a plateau for that many months and not saying that she's not but I just wonder um because the same thing has happened to me at points and I think people just assume like you're not doing all the things you're not doing you know you might be doing seven out of the eight you might be doing five out of the six but a lot of times you are doing you know nothing has changed and it just stops I think I think the phrase all the things is is an illusion.
So, can we help ourselves? Absolutely, we can help ourselves. We should be trying to help ourselves.
>> But I I think for a >> most if not all people, it's the medication that is enabling this to happen. And the all the things >> makes you feel >> is just an illusion of control.
>> I I like I like exercising.
>> Yeah. If you're eating 16 cupcakes, you're not doing all the things. But >> yeah, I mean, >> yeah, I mean, you know, if you really got into the nitty-gritty of it, uh, but I don't think she was doing all the things at any point through the whole thing, right? So, >> okay.
>> Yeah, I think I think it was just maybe she's gone as far as she can just taken the shot.
people to get to the very end, you have to maybe >> do a little extra. I don't know. Or maybe she just needs the next medication that comes out >> or the next available higher dose, right? We're we're also limited by the dosing options that we have currently.
That could also be it. Just like, you know, it doesn't matter if you're at 2.5 and you lose all your weight or if you get up to 15 and you don't meet your goal. It just means that maybe you haven't reached that sweet spot to be able to, you know, get to that next step.
>> And um one thing that I will say is, you know, when we started out with GLP1s, >> we had one little guy >> and that's all we had. And then we had an even bigger guy who came over and like put little guy out of the way, right? And then this is for all the third graders. We had the even bigger guy that came along and pushed the other guy. Right. So there's always something bigger and better coming along. And yes, this is a functional hair clip.
>> I was gonna say, where did you get that?
>> I got it off Tik Tok shop. There's somebody who 3D prints them and I absolutely had to have it. So anyway, >> there's always going to be something bigger and better. And then once we have more options that are hitting more pathways, >> then it's going to be the game of what do we combine together?
>> And we see this already in, you know, the research grade and the um, you know, gray market. People are already trying to put stuff together. And I think that will be the ultimate future >> of where we end up. It's going to be customized medication, customized dosing, and customized combinations to get you to your goal. So just remember that even if you reach the highest dose of whatever medication you're on and you don't reach your goal, just remember as long as you are not gaining, if you are maintaining, you are winning, >> right?
>> Yes.
>> Absolutely.
>> So just want to throw that out there and thank you for providing me an excuse to work in my giant hair clip. I've been dying for that this whole time. So thank you for that. I love I love those. I love those so much. Like it Wait, hold all three of them up again. Let's see.
Can you hold all >> Yeah. You want them all in one shot here. Hang on.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean, that's such I mean, red tide is the big >> thinking.
>> You got the You got the OG oimpic, you got the trespide in the green, and then you got the red tide that's gonna >> kick everybody's ass.
That's amazing. I love that so much.
>> That is an awesome a great visual.
>> Yeah, I'm a very visual person. So, I'm a visual learner.
>> I also like things that are, you know, giant and miniature. So, of course, when I saw that, I had to get it. I didn't have a choice. I was like, "Please don't be astronomically expensive because I have to have it."
So, okay. Um Oh, I was going to answer Jude's question. Hang on. Hang on. How old is Kevin? Yeah, so Kevin turned three years old today. He's a big boy.
>> He is no longer a baby boy.
And Ally, you need to do a video with all of your dogs. Yes. I actually think that Do I have one on my other channel? You know what, Jude? I'm going to put that on my to-do list for this weekend. And what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna do a video of all of the dogs and I'm gonna go through all of their ridiculous nicknames that we call them because it is so much fun.
>> I'm so sorry.
>> Oh, >> okay. All right. Let me scroll through.
Okay. JC says, "Is Foundo worth it for maintenance?" Who wants to take this one?
>> Worth it.
>> Well, I can tell you what the research says.
>> Well, the research says if you were on oimpic simaglutide >> and you switch over, yes, it's basically the same thing. So, you're going to maintain just fine. You don't really lose or gain anything. So if your insurance covers it or it's a good price for you, absolutely. If you're switching from tzepide to foundo, you may have some weight gain. And basically what people saw, and they haven't released the full trials yet, but basically it was about a pound a month was possible. It doesn't mean you had to. There were plenty of people in the trials that they did not. So they did not I think it was attain maintain was the name of that trial. Um, >> yes, >> but I unfortunately we always default with these medications back to cost and it's a lot cheaper. So I tell people all the time that if you can't afford what you're doing with tzepide, foundo is a good option to try and if it doesn't work for you that's okay. you can go back to tzepide but you and if it does great I mean I can tell you like uh our friend Mimi who's in Australia who was in the rearride trials uh went from reatride to simaglutide to to ozimpic wiggoi and she has maintained without any problem whatsoever. Now if you had asked me if that was possible from reatride to that I would have said no way. Well guess what it works just fine for her.
>> Worked for her. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I I mean I guess I would evaluate what are your cost options.
Uh you know and then you have the convenience of foundo too because once a day anytime with or without food no refrigeration no shot can travel with it. I can you know throw it in my bag. I don't have to think about it. Uh I just have to remember to take it every day.
So some people say well I don't want something that I have to take every day.
I'd rather just do the one shot a week.
But then how much of am I paying? what's my cheapest option? What's my, you know, what does my insurance cover? It's it's it's all things you have to figure out.
But to me, if I'm going to go to foundo and gain weight, like I I'll I'll I'm just fine with my with my weekly shot at your Thank you very much.
So, yeah, that's my thought on that.
Yeah. Um, one of the things that I'm noticing, so sorry, one of the things that I'm noticing um, in the Foundo support group is that there are a lot of people that are switching um, because of cost and, um, they're switching and they're finding that they're losing some of that um, inflammation reduction benefit, right, that they previously had with tracepide.
And so um many of them are disappointed in that aspect and then they're going back to you know zbound trapite.
>> It's a GLP1. It's a single agonist drug.
>> What the foundo >> foundo is it's basically simaglutide in in a different format. It yeah so you lose the GI piece of it. So if that's what you're getting benefit from it's not there. Now there is a a dual agonist in development that Viking has >> um that I think is pretty exciting and actually that oral duel >> DK2735 or something.
>> I think that's what it is. The oral tzepatide in development Viking. We'll see if they can get it out. They're a small company. I think they probably get acquired before they get it out. But the numbers were actually looking better than the injectable for the oral >> for the oral >> for the oral dualist.
>> Yeah. I mean you could try foundo for maintenance. If it doesn't work, you could always go back to Tzepide or WGO, whichever one, you know, or some glutai.
>> But I mean, I'll tell you, if the other side of is not the maintenance conversation, if three years ago my doctor had said, hey, >> here's a pill.
>> Here's a pill for 149 bucks.
>> Lose 12% of your body.
>> Lose 12%. I would have said, >> sign me up.
>> Sign me up. I wouldn't have you YouTubed it. I wouldn't have researched it. I would have just filled the damn thing and taken the medication.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And then we have to think about those numbers are averages, right?
So that means somebody's losing lower and somebody's way up in the higher, you know, uh, category with those weight losses. So that average of 12% told me somebody probably doubled that, you know, so you have the potential to do well on it.
>> I mean, I lost 38% on Tzepide. They only say you can do 18 to 20. So >> yes, >> your mileage may vary.
>> I like that. That's cute.
Okay, we got another question here. What is your opinion on using 15 mgram dose quick pen but split dosing 2.5 each time for finances? How long is the pen sterile for multiple doses?
>> Quick pen.
>> Well, there's a bunch embedded in there, JC.
>> It is.
>> So, there's a couple of considerations.
So if you're doing the 15 milligram dose quick pan, if you're getting it through Lily direct and you do not repeat buy every 45 days, your price will go up and it goes up several hundred. So you have to be careful of that.
>> Yeah. Right.
>> I think there are some people now getting it through their insurance, so that may not be be an issue. You're able to get it the other way. But if you're using Lily Direct, be careful. Uh if you read the instructions for the quick pen, it specifically says do not do that.
Now, that probably is a function of they just want to sell you more meds, but it does specifically say do not do that.
>> I mean, I guess a 15 milligram quick pen, if you're only taking 2.5, >> that's a long time.
>> That's like 20 weeks worth. Is that Did I calculate that right? Like, >> uh, and and then is 2.5 going to be enough of a dose for you to maintain? I >> know. Well, they're split dosing, so they must be doing five a week or maybe.
I don't know.
>> 2.5 milligrams each time. I can see where you would say, "Oh, I well, I'll buy this if it's $499, $449 for the 15 mil meg mg dose if I can stretch it out over three or four months. Um, and then is it good? Is it is it good for that long?"
So, the challenge is the way that pen work and actually I I filmed a video of doing one. Um, the way this pen works is there's this is basically a vial on the end >> and there's a needle that screws onto the top of it and the needle actually punctures a hole into the end of it. So, you when you take this pen, you take your wipe and you clean it off just like you do your valve. You screw your needle on the end. I have a video on the website and it punctures it. So, I don't know that I would honestly feel comfortable with puncturing 20 times or I mean really >> it's not really >> there. We're not doctors and there's some limit to it. But >> yeah, >> that seems like a lot and it's a little tiny thing. I I don't know. I >> I mean, once you puncture a vial, you're supposed to use it within 28 days. So, if you're going with that for 20 weeks, like can bacteria grow in there as you're as you're puncturing the I don't know. I don't I don't know how that works.
>> I don't I I probably wouldn't be comfortable with it for that long.
Honestly, >> I know some scientists I could ask, but that seems like pushing it a long way. I mean, maybe if you were doing a >> 5 milligram, 10 milligrams, you were splitting it, but those are small doses out of a big pen.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I would say it would probably be safer and more coste effective if you're at a 2.5 dose and you're trying to stretch it out to instead of doing a 15 mgram to do a lower dose, right? And then do your weekly dose if if that's something that your doctor approves, right? You can definitely talk to them about that. But I think that when when we start getting into the conversation of stretching it out so far, right, to save a buck, you you're really it's, you know, kind of playing with fire there.
>> Well, because if you don't use up the vial within 20 28 days, uh it it can just lose effectiveness. Like it's punctured so many times, it it loses effectiveness, right? So you it's not going to >> I mean theoretically >> necessarily hurt you but it might not be as effective as if you just took this by itself every you know what I mean like and that's when people talk about well this didn't work as good as this well did you really follow all the best practices of keeping it in the refrigerator and puncturing it four times and using it by the bud date. I mean, we had somebody who was like, "My meds aren't working." And the bud date was a year past.
>> She Yeah. Well, she had stocked up.
>> I'm going to stock up.
>> Multiple multiple places and put it in her refrigerator and she lived in Florida and she had a power outage when she wasn't home and >> Yeah. So this the chain of events with this medication, you know, [ __ ] happened, right? Like it wasn't at temperature. It was way past the bud date. And she's taking it and taking it and taking it and nothing's happening. You know, my food noise is back. My appetite's back. Everything's And so her doctor tells her, "Oh, >> you need to you're being way too specific."
>> We digress. But yeah, you know, you you have to you have to, >> you know, I probably would not do a 2.5 dose out of a 15. That just seems too long. I not a doctor, not a scientist.
You can think we're full of it. That's fine. But I probably wouldn't do that.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I wouldn't either. I you know if you want to stretch it out you know talk to your doctor about doing a lower dose and then as you move up in dose right then you could look at doing a 15.
I get it that everybody wants to save money but >> you know there are different ways to do it. As a side note, talking about saving money, um, tryhed.com is currently running a special and I have the coupon code down in the description box for $75 off your first three months. So, that's $75 off each month. It is phenomenal. If you're looking for a GLP1, if you want to talk to a doctor and see if it's a good fit for you, if you haven't, you know, considered it, then definitely use that coupon code and and check it out.
Um because that's the biggest discount I've seen them do yet. So, I was like I was like, "What? I couldn't even get you guys to do something like that for just my people. I tried to get you to do it.
You wouldn't do it." So, anyway, I'm super excited that they're running that.
So, it's in the description box.
Excuse me. Okay. Stormmy says, "Christopher, >> don't single him out. He's my buddy."
>> Storm, didn't I release the whole video today?
>> It's way too complicated for me to remember. Storm, but there's there's basically three tiers.
One is the a BMI based tier. I won't get I'll I'm not going to say the numbers because I will fail them and somebody will tell me I'm stupid. But if you go or if you go search CMSGP1 FAQ, they're they're listed on there. The first tier is a BMI based tier is a pretty high BM BMI of I don't remember 37 40 something like that. The second tier is a BMI plus coorbidities.
The third tier is a high is a lower BMI but bad really bad. you had a stroke, you had a heart attack, coorbidity. So, they they get much more complicated. I released a video today though that's a 20 minute video that walks you through step by step everything on the bridge program and what we know today and how to do it, which is basically there's not a dang thing you you can do right now until July 1st other than make sure your doctor is ready to go, >> ready to write. If you've used multiple doctors, if you've used teleaalth, make sure you have your record so that one doctor can attest to your starting BMI when you begin this medication. And that's going to be the challenge for some people who have been using Tellahalth that have never actually talked to a doctor out there.
>> So, >> yeah, >> go ahead and make an appointment at a doctor somewhere and begin to get that.
Some doctors I' I've talked to are actually um able to do starting BMI if you've been using a digital scale and they'll pull the they'll have you pull your digital scale records and go back and say on January 1 you were 350 pounds, you're 5 foot 10 and and they do the math. But it's really when you started the drug, your BMI is is that most important number.
>> Yeah. Um, we get so many questions on the bridge program, like so many emails, so many comments. Uh, and Christopher's done what, five videos on it at this point. So, if you have questions on the bridge program, that video just went up today, right? There's a video that just went up today on the downsides. Not to I'm sorry, Ally, but this it's the it's an overwhelming amount of people that are asking the same questions about the bridge program and uh just please go watch the video because we simply can't answer everyone's >> and what I would tell you is if it's not in there, we don't know yet, >> right? He's getting it straight off the CMS website. So he that's that's all the information that there is and so he's put it in a very easy to understand uh format. God bless because I I can't I can't >> Me too. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for doing that, Christopher. Because I'm like people ask me and I'm just like let me go see what Christopher said about hey did you do a video yet? Yeah. Okay.
All right. Yeah. go watch his video because yeah, there's so much to it.
>> Yeah. And even and even if you go to the video, people people won't watch the video, but they'll comment under the video. If we're like, if you watch it, you'll answer the you'll get your questions answered. So, please watch the video.
>> Please, please.
>> Well, I mean, you guys know it's people just comment on the on the name of the video. You can obviously you're like, "You didn't watch that, did you?" We We know you didn't watch that.
>> I said it. Lorraine didn't wipe off the top of the vial when she did her shot.
Yes, I did. I clearly did. Like, did you watch the video? No, you didn't. Anyway, yeah, >> that's too funny.
>> People gota love peeps. All right.
Goop says, "Has anyone experimented with splitting the dose and or taking the shot every four to five days instead of every seven?"
>> Well, you split dose for a while, didn't you, Ellie?
>> Oh, yeah.
>> I'm a I'm a cool mama over here. Yes, absolutely. I love split dosing. Um I have a couple of videos on it. So, yeah.
Yeah, I've done split dosing. Um, I've done, you know, every every few days I've done the four to five days.
I've done taking your shot early, taking your shot late, >> any learnings? Any learnings? Are you still split dosing or?
>> So, um, currently I'm not split dosing.
Um, just because I I'm I'm not really having any side effects at this point.
>> You're just trying to Yeah. So, um, one of the reasons why split dosing is really fantastic is for people that are suffering with side effects, it gives you more of a kind of an even keel. Kind of like we were talking about earlier where you know the halflife of the drug, right? And then by it's time for shot day and you're, you know, ravenously hungry. It it gives you more of an even instead of a, oh my gosh, I can't eat anything. Oh my gosh, now I'm eating everything. So, it's a very even keeled kind of experience. So, >> it's definitely something that I tell people to talk to their doctor about because >> it it does have its advantages.
>> Yeah. Uh I interviewed uh one lady who took half of her dose on Sunday and half of her dose on Wednesday and it obviously a compounded you know because I don't want to get into how to split this apart.
>> I gota be on that too. So don't worry.
>> I don't know nothing about no splitting no zip bound pens. Uh but yeah she it really helped with you know her side effects and stuff. So, uh, I I do see people doing it. Um, I don't know about every four or five days. I would think >> well, there's there's there's a theory there that if you're if you can't go up further in dose, >> particularly at 15, people will take it at the fifth day and basically after 28 days, what you're really doing is increasing your dose.
>> Yeah.
>> But eventually, it just tops above 15.
>> Yeah. And there's dose calculators I think you're you're at one point in the month getting up to almost 17 milligrams because I mean I'll tell you I took so through mochi we had 166.
>> Yeah.
>> I think the 166 was what got me to my goal weight. I mean it was like just a little >> a little extra bump >> and there's extra in the in the vials usually so you know.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I talked to somebody the other day. He was like, "I didn't realize I was only supposed to draw out the whatever the units were from the lily directed vials. I just drew everything out and took the shot."
>> Yeah. And the lily direct.
>> He's like, and I've always done that.
I'm like, "Well, then you titrated. It's fine. It kind of is what it is. Long as you didn't have side effects, you know, >> get your money's worth. Okay.
>> I paid for this. I'm gonna get it all out of there." You know, >> he just didn't know. It wasn't any I guarantee you when that person was in school and they had that test that one day where it says now make sure you read the directions and the directions says go to question number 10 and write E and put your name on the paper and you automatically get an A. I guarantee you that guy >> Oh yeah, >> he didn't. He did. He filled out that whole test.
>> He did. He filled out the whole test.
>> Yeah. What about you, Shay? Have you done any split dosing or talk to your doctor about it?
>> No, >> I've only been on the pin. So, you know, it'll be interesting when I get to this 15 if I feel the need to, you know, tweak some things. But right now, I'm just kind of like following, you know, along, doing what I do, taking my again, minding my business and drinking my water. That's what I'm doing.
>> So, we will see. It'll be interesting when I get to 15. I you know it'll be interesting to see like what happens and I can see how you would get clever especially with the finances of it all.
>> Um and if you're on compound you have so many more options that in my opinion because again I don't know I saw the video I saw I've seen several videos on splitting that pen and I still don't really get it and I'm pretty with it. So I think it's something you would have to experience to do and and get good at but I I don't know. I don't know if I would do that.
>> The quick pen's pretty easy and it's just when you pull it out and this one's been used so you can't do it anymore, but it just has Well, actually, I can can turn it. You can feel little clicks in it and it'll click and you can count the clicks. And so instead of 30 clicks, it's 15 clicks or what have you.
>> And there's and there's medicine left over >> charts on it at at the end of the four doses. There's medicine left in there and there's ways people have do it to get out right in the end and draw it >> out.
>> And Lily says not to do that in their in their instructions. So do that at your own risk.
>> Yeah. So we just had a whole bunch of people join us. So thank you guys so much for coming to hang out. Um if you have a question, make sure you put a QQQ or some question marks in front of it for me. It helps me out.
I'm just coughing my brains out over here. I'm so sorry. So, we've got Christopher and Lorraine from The Downsized. And then, of course, we've got Shay from Downsizing Diva.
>> So, I wanted to make sure that I uh reintroduced everybody since we had a whole influx of people just flood in here. By the way, did you guys hit the like button? How are we doing for likes?
Make sure you hit the like button because that tells the algorithm that we're having a good time and it pushes it out there so that we can all That's right. We all have a good time.
We're always having a good time.
Okay. All right. Let me see if we've got another question here. Hey, Southern Soulfire became a member.
>> Thank you.
>> Excuse me. Okay, let's see. Questions.
Questions.
The dogs are just walking around back there. They're just like, "Hey."
>> Yeah. Yeah. There's They were taking a potty break here for a minute. So, okay.
All right.
DDS says, "Hey everyone." Well, hey there. On week 10 of Zepbound. Down 25 pounds so far. Excellent.
Best decision I ever made. I love that.
My insurance covers minus 25 bucks. I feel like I hit the lottery. Absolutely.
You >> definitely hit the lottery. you did.
>> Success to everyone.
>> Love that.
>> Thank you.
>> Yeah. Uh sounds like doing doing great, right? Yeah.
>> And if you can get Zepbound for $25, you better fill that script every 21 to 28 days without fail.
>> Yeah, you fill that script.
>> I miss I missed the days of it being covered by insurance. That was the good times. Well, I'd never known it to be covered by insurance. So, >> I know.
>> Yeah. But, you know, it's it's amazing.
I hope that someday in the future insurance will cover it uh for everyone.
That's why it's so important with the bridge program coming with the Treat and Reduce Obesity Act that the Obesity Action Coalition is trying to get pushed through Congress because once Medicare covers it, then hopefully it trickles down to private insurance companies and then we all can get ZBound for $25.
>> And that's what I pay. I pay $25, but come June 1st, my insurance changes. So, I'm interested. Now, I looked into it and they say they cover it, but you know, we'll we will see. June 1st.
>> Yeah. I guess with you retiring, is it does that is that why it's changing?
Yeah, >> it's a different insurance.
>> So, we we will see.
>> I'm kind of nervous, but we'll see.
>> Keep us posted.
>> I will. I'll be hitting you up.
>> Oh, no. Going up in price. I got you. I got you.
Okay.
>> Yes. Yeah. Um Okay. LKW says, "What dose do you feel the anti-inflammatory effect? My first blood tests after starting Zepbound showed high CRP, lower GFR, I'm so sorry, and other weird results in red and white blood cells."
So, yeah. So >> Carol, you are divving deep into a blood report there.
>> Well, I mean, I did a video on inflammation and the thing about the the anti-inflammatory effect or the inflammation that that bound helps take out of your body that works from the very that's that goes on from the very first shot. Like you don't have to lose weight before you get that anti-inflammation effect. It starts right away and it takes inflammation out of your brain, out of your joints, out of your everywhere all at once. So if you're having weird different >> readings on blood tests, that's a doctor.
>> But just like weight loss, it's going to depend on you. So right, >> do you have other coorbidities? Do you have diabetes? Do you I mean, we talked to people who have Shoggrren's disease, have all these other things going on, lupus and things.
>> Yeah. that it's going to be all of that is going to factor through. The medicine is going to help for sure, but what else is in your profile that that's going to impact it?
>> Yeah.
>> And I would talk to the doctor and and have them clarify and explain what all that means because I've seen that too with some of my blood work. I'm like, why are my red blood cells this way and they were that way before and what happened to my white blood cells? And she broke it all down and explained it.
Um, and it turns out I was just fine.
But I started to feel those effects before I got on the scale to weigh in for the first week. I just thought, geez Louise, I woke up and my knees were feeling good. I felt I ran, you know, ran down the stairs instead of, you know, and ran up the stairs instead of taking my sweet old time. So, I felt it right away.
>> Yeah.
>> And you can throw your blood test results into chat, GPT or Claude or one of those, and they do a pretty reasonable job. It's not a doctor.
>> I always Google mine. It'll give you a good idea of at least questions to ask your doctor.
>> The challenge of all these tests that we do is very often the shifts in them unless you're actually trained to read them are are terrifying to look at and meaningless. So, >> right, all at the same time.
>> Yeah. Just a doctor question.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And um one thing that I will throw out about blood work um as somebody who had blood work done every three months without fail for the first year and a half that I was on a GLP1.
>> You are going to see a lot of fluctuation >> and it's just really important to have a really um you know detailed conversation with your doctor about it.
I mean, Ally, what was your story about eating too much shrimp before one of your blood work?
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Um the um my when I was younger, my >> Deep Tracks Alley, sorry, Deep Tracks Alley.
>> That's awesome. Um yeah, when I was younger, I was having a physical for sports and um my grandmother had just taught me how to make poached eggs.
And so for a week straight, I was just eating poached eggs for like every meal that I possibly could because I was so excited that she had taught me how to do this. Um, I was young. So anyway, I went and had that physical and the doctor was like, "Your cholesterol is through the roof.
What's going on?" And my dad was like, "What is happening?" And so then he had to, you know, anyway, we figured it out.
And my doctor was like, "Don't do that."
And who eats that many eggs? Like what?
And I'm like, "Um, I'm sorry. I have ADD and I hyperfixate on things. I It was a lot of fun and it was delicious." So yeah, even your diet can play a huge role um when it comes into your labs. So >> yeah.
That's too funny.
Okay. All right. Let me see what we got here. I'm just trying to make sure we don't miss anybody's questions.
I'll be so glad when I'm not sick anymore.
Okay, here we go. Lexi is talking about nailed it on the emotional munchies. I wasn't feeling the best the other day and realized the hunger was due to emotions and not true hunger.
>> Yeah, that emotional that emotional eating can still get you even when you're on a GLP1 because maybe you're sad and you want a donut or you're happy and you want a donut or you're bored and you also want a donut.
>> Have you been watching me today? How did you know that I ate a donut?
Oh, really? Donuts are my favorite thing. I always use donuts as my example of uh >> Yeah, for the first time in a long time, I actually ordered donuts. So, that's funny that you mentioned donuts.
>> Oh, yeah. No, I'm there's Yeah, that's my That's my favorite thing.
>> That's too funny.
Donuts. Everybody loves donuts.
Time to make the donuts.
>> Yes. Oh, Mitchie, she brings up a good point. Shed offers dieticians and health coaches. Yes, they do. Um, they're also um doing skin care and I got a text message about something that they're doing. It's some kind of one- on-one treatment thing. I got to get more info on that. you know, if you if you're somebody who needs additional support. And I was like, "Oh, I love that." You know, because so many people, they have challenges, right, when it comes to finding a support system, like maybe their family is not supportive or their friends or whomever, >> you know, we still got a lot of stigma, unfortunately.
>> Yeah.
So, okay.
Let me see if we can catch up to the questions.
Lady Jane Gray says, "Ally, make no mistake, you are out of control."
>> Correct. Yes.
>> Every day. Every day.
Okay.
Everybody's so excited about the live.
>> We're so excited and we just can't hide it.
>> That's right. We are losing control and >> we think we like it.
>> That's right. Storm is right on point.
Make sure you guys like and subscribe.
If you're not already subscribed to the downsized or downsizing diva, you got to do it. Stormy. Stormmy lives in North Carolina. I'm pretty sure >> you know uh Brady Bunch when they were in the little squares and they're looking these squares do remind me of the Brady Bunch.
>> Yeah, >> it's too funny.
Okay, here's the story of Girl Named Ally.
That's right.
Great scale lady in LA. Woo. Where is Jojo? And why isn't she here? Where is Jojo?
>> Uh, she's in the house. I don't know where she is.
>> Jojo is somewhere in the house.
>> Jojo does what Jojo wants to do. Well, it's hard to say.
>> Jojo, you know, Olivia's downstairs. I bet she Olivia.
>> Olivia likes to carry her around like a baby.
>> It's too funny.
>> Jojo loves, >> right? Pep with Pam says, "Can you take all the medicine and put it in a sterile vial?" So, um, I'm gonna grab this one.
So, Pam, um, I actually have a video on on how to do this. So, I always recommend that you talk to your doctor if you're if you're going to be transferring to a sterile vial, but I do have a video on how to do it. So, go check it out.
Yeah, I would I would proceed with that extremely cautiously because you don't want to introduce any bacteria into it that could possibly >> hurt you, >> multiply and hurt you.
>> Justact.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Always talk to your doctor first.
>> Yeah.
>> Yep. Okay. Miji says, "FY FYI, the guidelines for disposal after 28 days are based on clinics. doctor's office, hospitals, multi-punctures, times 28 days. Better living did a short that explains this. Oh, interesting.
Okay.
>> You know, that's that's what when when I get my medication from my compounding pharmacy, it's that's that's what it's I mean, I I don't I don't that that could very well be true, and people have have have mentioned that to us before. Um, I just, you know, I want to air on the side of caution and follow all the directions that come with the medication, do all the best practices because I would hate to tell somebody, "Oh, yeah, you could use it way past and then, you know, god forbid something happened, right?" So, as far as we know, because we're not doctors, we're just regular people. And yeah, we do a lot of news reporting and stuff, but um I think it's really important to follow the directions on your medication. And if you want to get the [ __ ] scared out of you, go search compounding deaths because about 15 years ago, which is the reason there are compounding laws, there were there were sterility problems at compounding pharmacies and people died and went to jail.
And the challenge of all the gray market and the putting stuff in vials and all that stuff is the way a a good compounding pharmacy is set up is they have so much filtration and sterilization built into their facilities that it's going to prevent stuff from floating around in the air and getting on your vial. It's going to prevent theoretically fur. or it's going to pres prevent all these things that your kitchen table just is going to have.
Sorry, you we don't have sterile houses and you don't want to inject crap into your body because you could die and that's a bad thing. So, are you right, Miji? I'm I'm sure you probably are. Is it worth risking your life is the question.
>> That's the key point. Um, I would also like to second that uh my house is not sterile. Well, you have 17 dogs.
>> Love them. But >> well, I mean, there's cat hair all over our desk right here. I mean, it's, you know, it's just >> Yeah.
>> I mean, I I woke up this morning with Kevin's foot in my face, right? And it was like smelling like Fritos. Like, I know that I got germs going on everywhere here. It's >> Well, it's And it's one thing, you know, to take a I don't know, a Tylenol or something that got a cat hair on. It's a completely other thing to inject it in your body.
>> Yeah, that's the big difference >> directly into your bloodstream. If there's any it's it's just >> not for nothing. I don't want to take expired Tylenol either.
>> No, I wouldn't either.
>> Yeah. Yeah. There are a lot of doctors that talk about how injectables, you know, you're surpassing your um I'm sorry, circumventing your main defenses, which is your digestive system, >> right?
>> Right. That's defense. Not your first line of defense. That would be your skin, but it's the line of defense of, you know, stuff going in. So, >> yeah.
>> All right. Southern Soulfire says 2.5, no sugar cravings, five and 7.5, none at the very beginning, then they came back.
Same suppression on all. Do the higher doses get rid of it?
>> Sugar cravings.
>> I'm gonna let you guys take this one.
Listen, I'm I'm reaching my water goal, okay? I'm already out.
>> I'm gonna get my water because I need to reach my goal, too. I mean, I think if you sugar cravings are something different than food noise and being hungry, right? So, when you eat sugar, your body craves sugar. It's like a vicious cycle. The longer you're off sugar, the better. I mean, theoretically, so are you eating are you eating sugar?
>> Are you craving M&M's? are you craving?
I mean, because the the challenge of sometimes as well as when you eat too low a carb diet, you you might need some carbs in there. Your body might need some energy and it that craving might be your body saying, "I need something."
So, it is this is unfortunately another one of those things that it's specific to you.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't know that I ever had specific sugar cravings. I have potato chip cravings. Sometimes I have donut cravings and it's got nothing to do with hunger or you know whatever. I just like >> I like sweets. Like I'm a sweets person.
So if somebody you know even though I'm on a maintenance whatever whatever you put a plate of desserts in front of me I'm going to eat some desserts, right?
Because >> but yeah and then the challenge is there's no list of things that happen.
This happens at 2. It's not like, you know, your baby walks at three months and there's no list at 2.5 and at five and at seven that is universally true.
There's just not.
>> Yeah.
>> Because we each experience obesity in a different way ourselves. We all got here a different way, >> right? Our life history is different.
What we eat, how we behave is different.
So there there's no universal answer to this, which is is a incredibly unsatisfying answer. Well, I mean, hopefully it's your food noise is being turned down or turned off at all of at all of these doses, right? Um, so if if cravings are coming back, why why is that? Is your body adjusting to the dose and maybe you need to go up in dose again? I It's hard to >> Are you getting honestly, are you eating real food, too? I tell people this all the time, but we get I don't eat protein added fake things. I just don't I never have. If if that works for you, that's great. But the challenge of all those things is they're hyperrocessed and your body processes protein powders and all that things super fast, which means there's nothing to digest and digestion creates natural >> protein bars are kind digestion creates natural GLP1s and your body needs to be able to do things, right? So, if you're getting every everything in that's all liquids and powders and put eat a chicken breast, do some real things.
>> But I want a donut.
>> Yeah. Well, we all want a donut.
>> Yeah. It's It's Sometimes you're always going to want those things just because you like them. And it I don't know that you know you kind of have to >> figure out a way to live in the world with with >> and honestly for me sugar became pretty quickly after taking became too sweet for me. to the vast majority of sweet things. Although I can still eat sweet things, >> I can have one or two bites and then it's like cloyingly, mouthpuckeringly sweet and I can't even >> creamer. Now I'm good with one doughut or less. It's all it's all related to donuts in my world. We walked through we walked we were in we were in New York City and walked through the M&M store which when you walk into the M&M store it had it is overwhelmingly chocolatey M&M smelling like you walked out smelling like an M&M. I almost threw up and I love M&M's. My favorite candy.
>> I don't think I even noticed that. And I do have super smell now that I've been on a GLP1. I do I do have super smell. I have a super sense of smell but I did not notice that in the Eminem store. So maybe I don't.
Yeah, >> he does love M&M's though.
>> Peanut M&M's. My favorite.
>> That's his That's his nemesis. Peanut M&M's.
>> What about you, Jay?
>> I I like I just love sweets. I'm, you know, saying these donuts reminds me, you know, that's what I would buy for my students for the month or we had a birthday lunch club and I would brought bring them donuts from Dunkin Donuts. So today I took my daughter because she went to school with me on the last day and we we had donuts, but I didn't even get a chance to eat them because I was just so busy. So we have donuts down there and so all the talk about donuts, you know, reminded me of that. But I like a good like cakes, like something moist, like a good moist pound cake or a cake without the icing. And now that I've been taking this GOP one, I've had cake, you know, since then. And the icing is so super sweet. But I was a sweet girl, so for sure the protein bars, >> for some reason, my taste buds are changing with those. I like barbells. I know you do too, Lorraine. And those um I used to think that those were like a hidden kind of Snickers bar or something. Now they don't taste so great and I don't know why, >> which is a good thing because I needed to lay off of them. But yeah, I don't even want them. I had I bought like GNC had a special buy one get one 50% off.
So I bought three boxes and they they're still here. So >> protein bars. But yeah, I love sweet stuff.
Yeah, I um I found now I've never really been one to like crave sweets, but um I did notice that on some doses, right, the cravings were better suppressed than on other doses. And I've talked about this before. Um for me specifically, 7.5 was my nemesis.
I don't know why. I don't I can't explain it. It happens to a lot of people. Um, but I, you know, I felt like 7.5 was injecting water and I stayed on it as long as I could stand it. Um, and it's just one of those things. But I did find that with situations like that, um, it did help to go to a higher dose, right? So, I just want to provide you with just a little bit of hope that it it may get better as you go up in dose.
But definitely take a look at, you know, what you're eating, how much you're eating. A lot of times when we get cravings, right, we could be undereating. So, our body is kicking it into high gear and it's like, "Hey, you really need that donut." But really, what you need is energy.
>> Yeah. So yeah, but but yes, um and with 7.5, I felt better on 10 and then 12.5 ended up being my my magic dose. So, and I felt great. Um I also did have craving suppressions on 15 and 17. So, just throwing that out there anecdotally, of course.
>> Right.
What were your uh your favorite doses?
like what are the most effective dose I would say for Chris and Lorraine because I would say 12.5 is mine too although it's coming to all good things must come to an end but I so far I would say that and 10 uh before that >> they were all I mean I don't really have one they were all good for me and it's funny that 7.5 you didn't think worked for you all because I was on 7.5 for literally almost a year uh and it and it worked fine until it didn't and now I have gone up to 10. So, uh, you know, everybody's just different. I I mean, I kept, you know, my my spreadsheet, my details. I have I can tell you what I lost by month and by week, and there's no really pattern to it. Um, so yeah, I mean, it's >> I just I lost from the get-go and just lost. And it slowed down and I lost really quick to begin with and it slowed down as I got closer to gold. But I I I never stalled either. It just kind of I just kind of kept rolling.
>> Yeah.
>> My my titration was weird though because it was a function of the time and not any actual medical decision. It was I was on branded medication went from Mangaro and it was out of stock. I couldn't find anywhere. So at one point they had called in like five prescriptions everywhere in in Charlotte.
>> I was driving all over town.
>> We were you got 7.5. You got 10. You got whatever we could get. we were taking.
So, my titration kind of did weird things.
>> And people are like, "Well, what?" I'm like, "You can't use me as an example because hopefully you never have to experience that."
>> Okay.
>> All right. Let me let me grab Susan's question here.
We did hit the twoour mark. Yay. So, if you guys have any last minute questions, make sure you get them in because we're going to be wrapping up for the evening.
Otherwise, I just may cough myself into oblivion and then down another another 40 ounces.
I can't I can't believe I finished that off so fast. I'm telling you, >> you're getting good at that water drinking, Ally.
>> That's right. And I'm so excited about it. It's the little things in life. It really is.
Okay, so Susan says, "Ally, how did you lose coverage? I've been paying out of pocket and I just found out today that I could be covered by my insurance and I don't have diabetes. I just have high BMI and high blood pressure." Yeah. So, what happened with me is not necessarily that I lost coverage. I lost affordable coverage. So, my employer changed insurance at the beginning of this year >> and then of course I went to get my refill and it was like, "Hey there, just so you know, Sam's Club is awesome.
>> Are you aware of the price of this medication?"
>> Right? They called me and they were like, "Hey, >> so you have been used to paying $25, >> but now it's $500 and I just wanted you to know before you came and pick this up." And I was like, "You are so sweet.
Thank you so much for calling me. I'm going to go cry now. Um, just go ahead and hold the medication until I can figure something out." And then I was doing the coupon and I was trying to, you know, work all the angles. So yeah.
So, it it's not that I quote unquote lost coverage. I just lost affordable coverage because they changed the tier >> that Marjaro was in.
>> Yeah. Probably went to tier four bastards.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. That's that's unfortunate.
>> But now I get my medication through shed. So, I'm like, "Hey, screw you guys.
I'm not I'm not paying your $500 a month."
>> Yeah. I mean, thank goodness for compounding because who, you know, if you don't have coverage, we don't have coverage. There's no other way, you know, we could have afforded it and it's still it's still expensive. So, I don't know.
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Okay. I'm just going to fly through here and make sure we don't miss any questions. Uh oh, we got a weird question. Lis, hey, Lis.
Okay, weird question. How do you dispose of vials? I don't feel good about throwing meds in the trash. I have a sharps container, but I've been saving vials in a bag. Okay.
>> Well, I I don't ever leave any liquid in the vial. I get it all I get every >> drop out. Uh we do throw ours in the trash. If if you feel better throwing it in your sharps container, I mean >> that's and it's not coming out.
Many municipal many municipalities if you look on their county website or their city website have a way to dispose of things like we actually have a dump you could drive to and take your batteries and your sharps and paint and and all kinds of things like that there.
And there may be something in your town that you'd have to look for it. I don't know where you live or what you do but it's local.
>> I mean there's so little left in it. I don't >> I I can tell you that part of that budget >> degrees it's water anyway.
>> After it hits temperature and after it hits so much age, it's really just water. There's not much left to it.
>> Um so for me, um I looked up in my county cuz I live out in the middle of nowhere. Um and so what they recommend is any kind of thick plastic container.
So, think like a laundry detergent container.
>> Um, I get the big big >> uh like 64 ounce giant jug of milk.
>> So, you can use that. Um, it just think like that thick thick plastic, not the thin flimsy plastic. And they they recommend that you put it in there. Um, and then you can write on the outside of it glass or something like that so that you know if it is being sorted somebody doesn't you know obviously open it up and it's got glass in it. So yeah, but definitely look up you know what's what's recommended for um your area.
It's like it's like the sharps disposal varies from uh place to place. But I have a a Tides Pod uh container and we write sharps and a Sharpie all over it.
And then per our local guidelines, I can wrap that in packing tape or or duct tape and just throw it in the regular trash. Now, make sure you know before you do that, you check with your local disposal uh methods and, you know, see see what's approved in your area because not every area you can do that.
Absolutely.
>> We will send someone to your house and Sold by Storm knows where you live because he's a realer >> and he can look your house up on MLS.
>> I just wanted that when I was going through the comments here. I thought that was a good one.
>> That's funny.
>> Okay. All right. So, we have reached the end of our birthday party tonight. Thank you guys so much.
a >> huge thank you to Christopher and Lorraine from the Downsized and Shay from Downsizing Diva.
>> Thank you for inviting me.
>> I'm so glad that everybody got to come and hang out. We had an awesome time.
Um, if I missed your questions, I'm so sorry. I know I like to try to get everybody's questions, but we just had a full house tonight and I was really doing the best I could to just try to get as many questions in as I could. Um, if you're watching on the replay, please make sure you put replay in the comments because I love my replay crew. If you haven't subscribed to the Downsized or Downsizing Diva, go do that now.
Right. Right now.
Well, wait. Go ahead. Just just go do it now because if you think you're going to do it later, you're not going to. Okay?
You're gonna forget.
>> Just go do it now.
>> Okay. All right. Parting thoughts. Does anybody want to leave anybody with any any parting thoughts today? Deep thoughts with GLP >> craziness.
>> Deep thoughts with Jack Candy. Uh >> my parting thoughts I'll say my parting thought thoughts are stay patient and stay consistent. That's the message I've been giving to my subscribers and anybody watching my channel and that's the you know the message that I've been giving myself as well. I'm taking my own advice. Stay patient. Stay consistent.
>> I'm with you diva. I mean it's you know mine is just take the shot. And I tell people that all the time. They're like it's not that simple. I'm like but it's not that hard either. It's it's the consistency that wins. Tell me that 52 weeks from now when you've taken 52 shots.
>> All right.
>> He gets he gets a little intense sometimes. This this guy over here, right? Uh you know, it's it doesn't you don't have to you don't have to do all the things all the time, right? Give yourself a little grace. It's a lifetime journey. I'm going to be on this medication for the rest of my life and I have plenty of time to figure out all the things in time, right? Uh so, you know what? Do the best you can. Take your shot every week, but do the best you can. You don't have to be perfect on this. You don't have to do everything perfectly.
>> That's all I got.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. And my parting thoughts as always are be kind, rewind, >> rewind.
>> That's what she says.
>> We'll see you guys next time.
>> Bye >> bye. Thanks. Thanks, Diva. Bye.
>> Bye.
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