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Someone wants to identify as >> what does that mean?
>> Where >> I identify as a unicorn. So what now? Am I a unicorn or what?
>> Like um >> it's up to you, dude.
>> And I know.
>> No, it's not. This is reality. I'm a I'm a female human woman.
>> Are you? I don't know that.
>> Like >> people who lie about people that can change sex like him.
>> You can.
>> So okay, that's So >> you're you're crazy. You cannot change sex.
>> Prove it more.
>> Prove prove this.
>> Crazy.
>> I don't You should protect kids and encourage amputations >> cuz they think they're a boy.
>> So if you don't believe in cancer, then it's considered an amputation. Some people don't believe cancer is a thing.
Think you can just pray it away.
>> You're crazy.
>> Well, >> you're getting way off topic.
>> It's not crazy.
>> Okay, maybe I am.
>> Pro or against trans?
>> Uh men can't turn into women.
>> Against trans.
>> Oh, yeah. So am I. So >> yeah, good. Thanks. Yeah. Are you together? You guys are like our children are too. So >> yeah, >> like Shabbank or something. Is >> that your thing?
>> You're into the sideburns.
>> You know, not as safe maybe church as they are.
>> I don't think that he would discriminate in obvious.
>> All right, let's go. I don't think I don't think that to discriminate around that person and saying, "Yeah, you can't get the gospel because you're trans."
No.
I can't figure out where to stand.
>> Yeah.
pound.
>> Honk honk.
>> What's up, man?
>> How are you?
>> I like your shirt, dude.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> It's wonderful. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I don't know much about the sign though.
>> Uh just It's like you can't become a woman, basically. Yeah.
>> No, it's not allowed. It's illegal.
>> It's illegal.
>> Yeah. What about fetuses? Can they do it?
>> I'm pretty sure it's legal.
>> I'm just joking. I mean, like in reality, you can't turn into a female.
That's all, >> I guess.
>> Yeah.
>> What are you guys doing? Trolling or >> No, just saying the truth.
>> Just saying the truth.
>> Truth. Truth's important.
>> So, where is this? Um, >> are you guys open to talking to people?
>> Yeah, >> sure. Yeah, we're just we're just standing here. Yep.
>> So, where is this uh is this an ideological thing? Is it a science thing? What?
>> I mean, I guess it's both really. I mean, >> well, >> well, I mean, which which one more do you personally?
>> I don't think it should be ideological.
Like, I think it has been made to be so with the advent of claiming we can change sexes and whatnot. Like, it should just be accepted like, you know, this is reality. Female are females and males are males.
>> Yeah. But what about like what about like people are born lady boys.
>> How do you feel about >> Yeah, interex conditions exist, but they're still male or female. They might have uh characteristics of the sex that they aren't, but they are still going to be >> like men and women.
>> No, male and female is a biological reality, a physical material reality.
>> Yeah. We we create words to describe reality.
>> Yeah. We live in a black and white society. A binary >> what?
>> We live in a binary society. It's easy for people to understand.
That's >> I don't know that that's simple than they are true.
>> Things aren't simple.
>> Yeah, that's that's true. That is true.
>> So, like >> if you've ever thought about a woman with her clothes off, does that make you gay?
>> No.
>> What?
>> Sexuality is not binary.
>> Yep. I agree with that.
>> Sex isn't binary.
>> That's incorrect.
>> I I just like to go back to Ray Boys.
>> Huh?
>> Like some of I like to go back to Ray Boys, dude. Cuz some of them >> boys Oh, lady boys.
>> Rady boys.
>> Oh. Oh. Okay. Rady boys.
>> Pretty good, dude. You can't lie, dude.
You >> I mean, just being able to lie well doesn't mean that you aren't the thing you still are, you know?
>> It's like, >> how do I You're a woman.
>> Is that true, though?
>> You You don't You can't know. But I can tell you. And that's just reality. If I've dressed a certain way and took testosterone you go into, I can tell you.
>> No.
>> I'm a man, so I didn't tell you where to go. Is that how you think about things?
You think men get to tell women what to do?
>> People who have that idea generally.
>> No, that's totally inaccurate.
>> It is uh not inaccurate.
>> It is because we are the people with this thought. So, >> I mean, you are, but you're not >> I wouldn't say you're holding the general >> you're not part of the uh conservative movement which holds the same beliefs.
>> So, like um >> accurate. So, that's why I'm saying not all not all people who hold this belief are the same. like really what I'm I just want to you know I'd rather just talk about it.
>> Yeah.
>> Um so what what is it that you know obviously you guys are I I don't want to speak for anybody I guess I'm talking to you. Um you guys have some stock in this in this belief right if you're out here. Well, >> um, like >> I I think >> I guess um >> what do you thinking this publicly? Like what do you you think you're going to change people's minds? Like what's your intention?
>> Like what's the Yeah. What's the >> Sorry, you're asking a few questions at the same time. Which one do Sorry. Could you just ask one question, please?
>> Can I go? Would you mind?
>> Well, um I mean, go ahead.
>> What's the end game?
>> The end game? I mean, we can't really like it's it's hard to say really. Like we just want people to know the truth and not be in a delusion that could harm them or people around them.
>> You understand that this is going to lead to people getting harmed.
>> That's because they're in a delusion.
>> Oh >> yeah. If they were in reality and accepted themselves the way that they are, then this wouldn't harm them.
>> People wouldn't hurt them.
>> No. Then they would not be harmed by this.
>> Um >> domestic violence wouldn't happen. They wouldn't be harmed because they want >> Dude, you're all over the place. I'm I'm not going to lie. It's hard to talk to you cuz you're Yeah, it is. Someone wants to identify as >> what is that?
>> Where?
>> I identify as a unicorn. So what now? Am I a unicorn or what?
>> Honestly like um >> it's up to you, dude.
>> And I know.
>> No, it's not.
>> This is reality. I'm a I'm a female human woman.
>> Are you? I don't know that.
>> I mean, we could go to the hospital and find out.
>> Come up and get violent with you and argue about you with your sex. Like >> we're not advocating for violence or anything. I don't know what you're talking about. He said it. I mean, you kind of are though because that if >> I think the point he's making is that >> that um like how old are you guys? How old are you?
>> How old do you think I am >> if you don't mind?
>> How old do you think I am?
>> Uh late 20s maybe about.
>> I'm 35.
>> Mid to late. Okay. I'm 33.
>> Oh.
>> So like >> see like you're not even worth talking to. Like really you're you're not genuine at all.
>> In my opinion, you're not worth anything so go away.
>> Honestly, go away. Honestly, he didn't even want to talk about >> Okay, well then I'm not talking to you anymore.
>> I wanted to talk to you.
>> What do you want to talk about?
>> He didn't even want to talk.
>> Okay. Well, I can tell he's very rude and abrasive.
>> Yeah, that sucks. I mean, >> hopefully he can chill out a little bit and like talk about things normally someday.
>> Yeah. So are we.
>> People get hurt.
>> Yeah, I know. We agree with that. We know.
>> No, not statistically. You don't understand.
>> All right. What about women who Sure.
Okay.
>> What about women who get hurt in in uh in their prisons because men are being put in their their prisons?
>> What are the statistics on that?
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, what are the statist How many trans people exist? So, we shouldn't care about them, right? Cuz they're such a small portion of the community, right?
>> No, I just think we shouldn't put on it issue.
>> Just be quiet.
>> Tell me to be quiet. I can do whatever I want. Okay.
>> It's a free society.
>> Yeah. Keep saying dumb stuff.
>> Hush. I can say whatever I want.
>> Go ahead. You sure can.
>> We're on a sidewalk here. Mhm. Oh, yeah.
I know. And I can ask him. I can go sh He can deny it. He can do whatever he wants.
>> All right. So So I guess you're you're 35, right?
>> Uh we grew up in the in the '9s, >> so we knew how stuff was.
>> Yep. Yeah.
>> It was a lot different.
>> I mean, and I I learned about like trans I learned about trans like transsexualism and stuff when I was really young. Like I I mean I learned about like you know getting surgeries and having these feelings of being in the wrong body. I I've known about this from a very very young age and I mean I even went through a period of you know having feelings like that when I was younger you know like thinking like oh I wish I was a boy or whatever but that's just >> so you had a gender dysphoria. was what?
your what was your personal experience in like >> um >> zero she's English she was a tomboy >> I guess your conclusion to that like you came sorry >> you came around eventually and right >> well I mean I just got older and I wasn't really I wasn't focusing on it as much and >> I guess people have been around before crop >> yeah aware I'm aware >> in Hawaii are you aware of the culture differences in Hawaii >> people have been lying for a really long time >> oh yeah >> mhm Well, >> or confused or whatever. I don't know.
>> Well, I think that propaganda you mentioned works and is exploited in both directions. Like I I think like I guess if I were to try to drive home any any point it would be that you know if if me or you hopefully I would hope if if me or you uh sat down next to a you know trans woman, trans man just or somebody uh we didn't necessarily agree with or whatever. um we could treat that person like a human being >> and of course we always do when when we talk to >> and and if we saw >> um some Yeah. We would help. Yes. I Yes.
Of course. Exactly.
>> Yeah. That's I mean >> and I think the point people some people make >> is like and I you're allowed to believe what whatever you want to believe.
>> I'm not trying to change that.
>> Oh yeah. No, we're just talking >> pretty solid in there.
>> But I would I would just hope like um >> Yeah, I would just hope uh >> we wouldn't wish violence on any people like that.
>> Absolutely not.
>> And we would look out.
>> No, I want them to be safe and healthy and, >> you know, feel good. That's that's what I want.
>> I don't want anyone hurting. I have a friend who >> because when people don't have access to care to get them mentally where they need to be and if they identify as transgender and they don't have the health care for that you understand that they kill themselves. You want them to be safe. So you don't want them to have access to the care to get them to a safe >> after they do these things to their bodies. They still themselves.
>> That's not true.
>> Okay. So how much does it get better?
>> Oh, you're saying posttop?
>> It's not.
>> What are the statistics on that?
>> You don't even know.
>> I do know. Oh, I know black and white.
>> How much does it get better?
>> That's not how the world works. The world world doesn't work in black and white. If >> it gets better, but we don't know how much.
>> Is that like a chicken or egg thing though?
>> What do you mean?
>> Okay.
>> Um like do you think the side rate might be better if uh if people if you know you could look at it one of two ways. I see it as more like uh something genuine people experience that they that you know like I I think you know a trans you know we disagree fundamentally I think a trans woman is a woman I think whatever and that's fine but do you think that rate would go down if there was more compassion towards towards >> in general? Yes. Yeah. Yes.
>> You think so?
>> Yeah. So, so if you think it would go down as a result of an increased amount of compassion uh towards that that group of people, right?
Do you think it would go up as a result of things like this? Do you think this is helping or harming >> really at the end of the day?
you know, >> your opinion.
>> So again, again, it's it's >> a little it's a little complicated because they again, they wouldn't feel harmed by this if they didn't believe the these things which I believe are they are not congruent with reality.
Like >> do you believe it's God-given that >> I don't believe in God.
>> Okay. So I'm I'm trying to understand where where this where why your con construct is correct >> that it's just men and women >> just because that's how the >> what's the what's the third sex?
>> Yes.
>> Is there a third sex?
>> Unisex.
>> That's not a thing.
>> Absolutely.
>> It is not a thing.
>> Yes, it is absolutely.
>> What is unisex?
>> Never heard.
>> Apparently you're not. You don't have access to the internet. You don't have access.
>> See how rude you are? This is why I am not talking to you. Like are you serious?
>> Are you triggered?
No, you're just >> No, I'm having a conversation.
>> No, you're not.
>> Yes, I absolutely am.
>> No, you really aren't.
>> Yeah.
>> No, it's unisex. Do you know anything more about it?
>> You have access to the internet. You both have cameras. Why don't you look it up? Why don't you guys go read >> Make your argument. Make your argument.
Come on. Argue back and rhyme with you.
>> Just explain a word. Unisex. What's unisex?
>> It's outside of the binary of male or female.
>> Are you talking about interex? And that's not outside the binary. There are only two. Yeah, there are only two sexes though, male and female.
>> What's the other sex that exists?
>> Are you operating on the that there's an X and Y chromosome? Because there is more than one.
>> I'm aware there are other configurations, but again, regardless of those configurations, it still comes down to a large gameamt or small gamet production, meaning male or female.
What's the third sex that is not male or female? What's the other game? Like, what are you talking about?
>> I'm not person. Oh, okay.
Interesting.
>> I just want to know like cuz this is people that have access to information be able to tell you everything.
>> No, I asked you to explain one word. One word >> one word that you >> I explained to you.
>> That's not a real thing.
>> Yes, it is.
>> That's not real.
>> I don't get >> That's what he gets because why are you >> I know they shouldn't be doing that.
There's people walking everywhere.
>> His car almost went on a sidewalk like what? So, this has been a thing for a really long time now. You know, >> you guys having a good day?
>> We're having a great day. Thank you.
>> You smell good.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> When I saw this, I just said, "Hallelujah."
>> I hope one of your kids don't grow up confused.
>> They're not. They're in Christ.
>> Yeah. Well, that's not how God works, unfortunately.
>> It's not how God works.
>> I mean, >> what how does God work?
>> Just because you worship God doesn't mean your son's not going to come out.
>> They're not.
>> Okay. Well, I want the real question is when did it change? Like when >> it has never changed the problem, >> but we grew up like even when we were in middle school, we were taught boy >> if you're going to be gay, be gay. But don't lie and deceive others. Think >> they put that trans people around.
>> They can for a very long time.
>> Well, that's cool. But since the beginning, you know, when God create originally created men and women, >> that's if you move the Bible.
>> I can identify I can read Bible and say that I don't. But that doesn't mean that >> but the truth is the truth. And at the end of the day, without a woman, >> that's not true.
>> No, there's a material reality that's true for everyone. No, this this is my thing. I can talk if I want.
>> Generations ago, >> they would have said the truth is white disc and they would say you can't drink out of this water.
>> That's not everybody.
>> You guys agree on that? That's not true.
But there's a there's there's an ultimate truth from whatever created all things that can say if I so if I own a building and I make the rules and you come into my building and you say well I can do this and I can do that and I can say no get out because this is my building I created and I'm the owner these are the rules. You can't come in here and start making the rules.
>> No I'm just saying like if I was the owner of an establishment and you came in saying yeah I'm you know I'm a dog.
>> What if the establishment is your own body?
>> Your own body. her own physical body.
>> So, him going into her body. What are you saying? You're >> talking about No, she's she's saying that.
>> So, >> I got to explain.
>> You're trying to confuse it just to make it initial.
>> Okay. So, if if I had an establishment and I said that no dogs were allowed, >> if I had an establishment and I said no dogs were allowed and a human being that identifies as a dog, but I know that they're a human being, they come they come into my establishment barking like a dog, >> yours that you own.
>> Yeah. That I own that I created. have the right to >> and I tell them to leave. But then all of a sudden now it's like, oh, you can't tell me to leave and they're speaking like a human, but they're claiming to be a dog when dogs don't work.
>> I see what you're talking about.
>> It doesn't make sense. You know, it's like you can't just make things up and it's not your analogy.
>> You you can't be you can't be a um you can't be a girl if you're a boy and you can't be a boy if you're a girl because we have um functions, right? We have functions, right? So if you have um a >> No, I understand.
>> Okay. Right. So you can't function as a woman if you're a man. And and if you have to do things to make yourself function like a woman when you never will really be a woman, you you're not a woman.
>> But are they not allowed?
>> Hell yeah. All right.
>> You're just fake.
>> You're a fake.
>> All right.
>> Yeah. You You can be fake all you want.
No one can stop you. But it's like it's still fake. But you're >> It's still fake. Don't teach it to the children and don't teach it to the world and don't try to force it.
>> Be proud and say I am the girl. Oh yeah.
>> Can they be proud and say I'm a woman?
>> Like for example they can lie that to yourself. But when you get when you when you go before the creator you're going to be a man.
>> Well in your in your >> in your belief system.
>> Oh no. It doesn't matter. everything and everything.
>> Do you think that Jesus Christ is the Lord?
>> So, so do you think St. God?
>> Do you think Jesus would have >> um would have hung with people who were trans or or or different or >> I guess I guess I guess in in some way >> like not normal. You know what I mean? I think what >> would he hang with?
>> No, he said trans aren't normal.
>> I don't think that he would discriminate in >> Yeah, they're obviously >> Look at this weirdo.
>> Whatever. We're all public.
>> All right, let's go.
>> I don't think that Jesus would I don't think that Jesus would discriminate being around that person and saying, "Yeah, you can't get the gospel because you're trans." No, the gospel is freely given to those to everyone.
>> It's like a take it or leave it.
>> But take it or leave it. But the truth is the truth. And and you won't come to Jesus and say, "Yeah, if you created men to be to be men, then I'm telling you that no, men are women." Jesus is going to let you know the truth because in the Bible most times he rebuked people and the word of God is sharpened up as a sword. Whether you like it or not, the truth is going to be preached.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I >> you know, but yeah, he wouldn't he wouldn't not love them, >> right?
>> Love the sin or hate the sin. Yeah. The Bible says, >> "Do you think that trans people are held at a different gravity in the in the circumstances like how the Bible?"
>> No.
>> No. Then >> God is no respector. Every person is held accountable for the things that they do.
>> The reason why the reason why you see like the church going like after it is because they're trying they're infiltrating the church with it. So if you see they try to infiltrate the church not just with that, but >> I'm sorry.
>> You think it's an Israeli science of water? Um, >> I know, right?
>> Yeah. You know, you're wrong. I think you're making some assumptions.
>> So many children.
>> You're making assumptions.
>> You're making assumptions.
>> You're making the ones that were getting touched.
>> And then they to be treated because they were touched by the >> That's possible. It is possible. I mean, anything happened. someone touched them or something happened in their bloodline and they saw it or we wrestle not against flesh and blood. So some sometimes certain things happen through the bloodline. Some people are gay because you know certain demonic spirits come after what's on the bloodline. If your if your parent was gay then you might be gay when you grow up because that's what you saw. That's what you were taught was okay. But as for me or >> you might just be gay >> or you might just have that that perverted spirit on you. It's a spirit of perversion. I don't I don't know what it is.
>> I don't know what it is.
>> Is the opposite of what God intended.
>> So if God intended men and women to procreate and have babies, >> that's just think about it. Animals have sex, male and female, and they have >> animals are also gay though.
>> They're not. And guess what? Even if they are, guess what happened?
>> Yeah.
>> When we said in the beginning, the the whole entire world >> like things in nature.
>> Even the animals, they were cursed as well. So guess what? They might cuz you know in the Bible it says that we will be around the animals and they won't do anything to us.
>> Yeah. But even the frogs are now water.
>> The earth is cursed as you can see.
We're living in the last days. You never know. You might see a lion humping on another lion. But hey, >> they be I don't want to talk.
>> But I don't think I don't think God created animals to be gay. I don't think that. I think that's that's a we're the only species.
>> They just be doing it and >> I don't know. But I think we're the only species and we're the most valuable species known to the Lord to just >> I don't think we're that >> take our mind and just put imagination.
>> If you if you look at all this stuff as God >> what they say >> I think we're parasitic to it.
>> You don't think we're valuable to God?
>> Uh no to God's creation. If this if we are >> this is completely away from the subject. If you look at like statistics, I think my issue that I take with stuff like this is that people come out and stand on science about this issue and say that kids are being harmed. We don't talk about how Catholicism and rape and abuse is happening in the church.
>> We can talk about all of it.
>> It's happening on a significant it's happening at such a greater scale than a 01% of society. Like a very small we're arguing about people in the Olympics.
It's already Statistically, your kid is >> following that logic, we shouldn't care about trans people. Seriously, >> hypothetically.
>> Yeah. No, that's just your logic. That's all.
>> You should care about getting a real job.
>> You can be Listen, we're not offended.
We're Christian. So, somebody's >> We know who we are.
>> I think you're probably our children are too. So, >> like Shabbank or something. Is >> that your thing?
>> You're into the sideburns. you know, not as safe maybe as church as they are around.
>> It's pretty unusual.
>> I would never leave my kid around here.
>> Okay. I didn't even say anything. I didn't even say anything in general. I don't agree with you. I trust you. Okay, that's fine.
>> The only thing that I would say is this is that you guys you guys are saying ice cream.
>> There's so many chug. That's what that stands for, right? This is all I have to say. Response to what you were saying about >> you have the internet. You saw me on something.
>> I was using your same words back on you.
>> I know. I'm sorry.
>> This is all I have to say. It's about like, you know, the comment about the Olympics and things that's going around um going on around the world. I mean, we can talk about it all, right?
>> Hey, dude. I love you. Can I get a picture for my coworkers?
>> At the end of the day, >> it's like >> the problem is like race.
>> I seen you guys uh on Route 30. They got brought dirt there by the um Target.
>> I think it was here last year. I think it was right before winter.
>> I seen uh who was it in Yorkville and that lady tried chasing you around >> the with the Cinderella shirt or or Snow White, whatever she was.
>> Oh, really?
>> Yeah. We went to the police and they're they're dealing with her.
>> It just takes some time, you know.
>> Yeah.
>> Mhm.
>> Hey, you guys be safe though.
>> I had to get a picture cuz my coworker, he lives over here in Neapville. He's like, "Oh, man. It's going to be great."
You guys be safe.
>> All right. Have a good night, you guys.
I'm like confused what the sign is trying to say.
>> Oh, it just said it just means uh men can't turn into women and women can't turn into men. You know, like a man is a man and a woman is a woman. Yeah, that's awful.
>> Yeah, these are men who claim to be women, >> but they're still men.
>> Men are male.
>> I know it's not that exciting. Just saying. It's like >> I know. It's like, oh, the sky is blue.
What an exciting sign.
Black shirt guy doesn't like it.
>> He's upset.
>> No, he's upset.
>> I don't think he's going to talk to us.
>> What made you guys like come out and like >> Well, yourselves.
>> Well, because I don't know. A lot of people get hurt because of the the trans stuff like they harm their their bodies and their there are a lot of issues with, you know, like males being put in female prisons and just >> that to me is >> that's really not good. and statistics get skewed because when a man commits a crime, they'll say it's a woman because he's claiming to be a woman. There there are just endless endless problems with ignoring reality and pretending >> that this fundamental truth isn't >> true. That's >> I feel like you can definitely see some of those like the issues with men being in sports.
>> But if we had that to me is like a little >> that's unfair. It's extremely unfair.
like unless you really like anything.
>> It's not it's it's not that's kind of why we're doing the thing.
>> That means that >> we want people to >> realize the truth and say, but >> thanks for asking.
>> Yeah. Appreciate your your courtesy.
Have a good night.
to say, "Okay, we need to we need to conform to the things that are >> you guys bored."
>> Are you guys Christian?
>> Uh, I would say I don't live exactly by >> Are you saying like your lukewarm?
>> Yeah.
>> Well, I would say this.
>> What's that frog on your shirt?
>> Tunkler.
just means things are funny, you know.
>> Hong Kong.
>> Yeah, you like the signs.
>> We can't have that. We can't do whatever they want.
>> I mean, a lot of nice people to push an evil rule and say, "Well, let's kill all >> a little bit. Not too much to >> Sometimes it gets bad."
>> Well, thank you. Appreciate it.
>> Are you guys on social media?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Look up Midwest Audit.
>> Midwest Audit.
>> Mhm. Now, what is a >> Instagram, YouTube?
>> How long have you been doing this for >> like three three or four years?
>> Really?
>> Yeah. Going on there.
>> Do you guys travel or just coming to Neighborville?
>> Just all around the suburbs. You know, >> that's the right thing to do.
>> Neighborville. I like that.
>> Yeah. There's a lot of foot traffic here and a lot of cars going by really slowly. So, it's it's a good spot to hang out.
>> Geneva would be good for you, too, then like this.
>> Okay. Noted.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, were you not there recently? No, not not for a while.
>> Thing about it's a good way to get there, you know. You can't just take an expressway. It takes blue water, but it's just as nice as this.
>> It's the same type of uh style of neighborhood, you know.
>> All right. I like that.
>> Go to Chicago. I mean, they got the worst beer in the country.
>> Oh god. We're We're like kind of freaked out to go there.
>> No, not really. Like, usually they're on our side. Like usually they come over and they're just like, you know, someone called. You're not doing anything. You know, >> never had a bad >> no years.
>> Usually positive >> all the time.
>> It's common sense, right? Common sense.
>> Yeah.
>> Women don't have penises.
>> Have a good one.
>> You don't have penises, guys. You're going to do your first. You guys are going to go home now.
>> Unless they're ready boys. Dude, I will say ready boys have penises. And it's okay, dude. It's all right. No, I just You know what? I'm I'm curious about most of you is like what I was what I was asking earlier is like there's obviously emphasis on on this issue to you guys and I'm just curious about where that comes from personally.
>> Caring about people >> caring about people in general.
>> No, you don't care about people >> here. Let's hold on.
>> Stop projecting, dude.
>> I just don't have a sign saying my >> Okay, whatever.
So like caring about >> and I'm not I'm not challenging that. I believe you. You know, I'm taking you at your word. Maybe you do.
>> I don't think >> Wait, maybe maybe I do. What? Sorry. I It was hard to hear.
>> You're claiming to hear.
>> So I'm believing you.
>> Maybe I am.
>> And hard thinking.
>> Okay. Maybe I am.
>> Pro or against trans?
>> Uh men can't turn into women.
>> Against trans.
>> Oh yeah. So am I. So >> yeah, good. Thanks.
>> Good. Truth matters.
>> Believe in God.
>> All that matters.
>> Yep. Sure.
kids.
>> All right. We're not getting it.
>> This guy's >> Yep. Doing bad things to kid is bad no matter who you are.
>> Exactly.
>> Yeah, I know.
>> Everybody has >> done that.
>> Yep. And that's why we should be against it as a whole.
>> Everybody of each different demographic all different.
>> You're right.
>> And that's why we should just care about that as a whole, not >> oh, this particular group is doing it. I agree with it.
>> So like where where is it? Uh >> yeah, you care about people.
>> So >> no.
>> So how do you think this is how do you think like >> can you expand on that? Like caring about >> this this being an issue.
>> Teenage girls are getting their breasts amputated.
>> No, they're not for >> You have the internet. Use it. There are 13year-olds >> to get your tubes tied. That's not the same thing. They treat that completely differently. You need to actually read some stuff and actually care about women and females >> happening under the age of 14.
>> It is it is there there are 13y olds.
You you need to do some research >> and and maybe it depends on the state but that is not generally >> but it's happening. It's happening now.
It's >> it never happens but sometimes it happens.
>> It happens.
>> It happens. The end.
>> Sure.
>> It's you have the right to tell somebody what they can do with their >> I didn't say that. I'm just trying to change people's minds. Well, >> I'm not saying anything like that.
>> So, like, uh, >> so, >> okay, >> kids should not be able to do that, >> right? Even if they have cancer, >> I that's different.
>> It's different because >> Okay.
>> Because a doctor makes that distinction.
So, it's different when a doctor makes that distinction versus a >> Yes. Doctors are always right and always to be trusted, >> right?
>> Yeah. I don't think they are.
>> Yeah. I don't I don't either. That was sarcasm, man.
>> You should listen to when they say so. I know like >> and the parent gets to make that determination if their daughter gets misc not always parents don't always get to decide what happens to their children that's why we have laws about what parents can do with their children >> cancer now >> I just okay so >> every time thinking you're a boy does not mean you have cancer it's not the same at all >> but a doctor >> all right the physician there is a >> this doesn't even make sense >> I'm just I'm just trying to let me just talk >> it's like you're just wrong about No.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean, that's your opinion. You have a lot of opinions.
>> That's fine. It's my opinion.
>> Yeah, it's okay, too.
>> I'm just trying to talk.
>> I know. I know.
>> Waste of time.
>> Yeah, >> it is a waste of time.
>> It's all right, man.
>> I don't You should protect kids. I encourage amputations >> cuz they think they're a boy.
>> So, if you don't believe in cancer, then it's considered an amputation. Some people don't believe cancer is a thing.
Think you can just pray it away.
>> You're You're crazy, man.
>> Well, >> you're getting way off topic. He's not crazy.
>> I don't think he's crazy. He's just >> passionate about the issue.
>> Uh if and like if you know people personally who've been harmed as like a result of >> people are like anti-trans >> amputating healthy breasts is harm.
>> It is you know what that's reversible and suicide isn't >> especially when kids do it.
>> So to some extent suicide isn't though.
>> So I'm Hold on.
>> So you just keep drooping all over the place.
>> I'm not trying to >> No, >> hold on. Suicide isn't reversible.
Yeah. And removing your breasts isn't either. It is not. How do you put your breasts back on? Dude, >> have you never seen a woman get >> Oh, how >> what about the nerve damage? What about the stretched skin? What about the trauma of having altered your natural body and regretting it?
>> How do men get breast?
>> They get >> Why? Why do I even talk to him?
>> Fake.
>> And that matters.
>> It's not the same. It matters.
>> Yeah. It matters to the person who has them, >> right? The person. Yeah. And they would probably prefer to have their real breasts back, not implants.
>> For you it's in the interest of kids, right? Like >> there's a whole bunch of it.
>> Okay. So all humans, humans of all ages.
>> So what mainly do you think is like uh >> like >> people who lie about that can change sex like him?
>> You can.
>> So okay, that's fine. So >> you're you're crazy. You cannot change sex.
>> Prove prove this. You're >> crazy, man.
>> Show evidence of this. Is it more that you disagree with another person on this one issue?
>> Yeah, go for it.
>> That's not caught us off guard.
>> Have a good night.
>> So, like uh dude, I just want to know where you guys are coming like what's your what's your general >> reality is important and when people are like believing delusions they it it's really harmful, you know. Sure.
>> Like like we need to be able to collectively agree on what material reality is.
>> Absolutely. Yeah.
>> I think I think >> important because otherwise how do we how do we >> reason, right?
>> Yeah. Exactly. I do think that that is a material reality, a biological and material reality is that there are only male and female sexes and they can't >> you can't change between them.
>> Yeah. If you I mean if you if that's your >> there are interex conditions but you can't be anything. No, they they are real. I said they are real. I just said there are but within within what do they fall into?
>> No. What I'm saying is within those conditions those people are still male or female just they they just have a a difference in the way that they've developed.
>> Do they do they get to choose?
>> Does that make sense? I I hope I make sense. Like I'm >> it's going to swing more in one direction than what what is it?
>> They are either male or female. It depends on which game they produce. It it it depends on which gameamt they produce, which is a material reality, which yes, a doctor would have to test for that.
>> Yeah, I understand. But that's why you'd have to check what gameamt they're producing, which yes, a doctor could do and you could determine their sex.
>> You can believe the doctor.
>> Well, that's because it's a material reality. It's not because the doctor says it. It's because it's reality.
>> All right. It was really nice talking.
>> Yeah, it was it was cool talking to you.
Yeah, I understood what you were saying.
>> Well, no, dude. I I really would just rather get where you guys are coming from. I don't >> Look, man. I don't want any harm on on people who are >> Yeah. Me either. No, not at all.
>> Yeah. Or >> No.
>> Or you or you see you see people, you know, uh like that guy earlier who came, you can just smell it on him. He's hateful. He's >> the So like >> I'm sorry.
>> There there is a dem there. You understand there?
>> Yeah. There's a >> a lot of people just hate people who are >> Yeah.
>> I know. I do not.
>> I don't think you do.
>> I really I promise I promise as much as your friend there wants to say otherwise. I I promise you I have thought about this stuff so much like >> Sure.
>> It it's really important I think.
>> Yeah. Yeah, I don't think uh >> it's dead.
>> I I just see, you know, I grew up I I knew a kid like that growing up, you know, and I saw I saw that person run into a lot of problems in their life that they didn't deserve, >> you know, and they weren't hurting anyone.
>> Yeah, >> they really weren't. They weren't going around hurting anyone.
>> And I saw a lot of a lot of harm come upon this person.
>> Yeah. I don't think that's right at all.
>> Who was who was kind to other people around them.
>> I I don't think that should happen at all. I think that person should be cared for and could should be helped maybe to like love themselves and not >> so >> well I think there are a lot of >> kind of weird I I think in I think like >> that was my mic.
>> Yeah. Here let me >> it's okay.
>> Yep. So I think in like you know just like you were saying I think uh trans people are are painted as this boogeyman you know that uh that people love to hate.
>> Yeah. Certainly can be for sure. for sure. Like, >> and everybody's got their pet thing, you know what I mean? Like, for some people it's Republicans, for some people it's >> it's this or that. It can change depending on who you're talking to.
>> Uh, and I just hope it's not an issue like that. And I I hope if if if you know I hope that if you guys are interacting with you know that if somebody's coming up to you guys like like uh you know talking in a hateful way or whatever that like like an object you know an undeniably hateful way uh beyond plausible deniability. You know >> like you mean if they're coming up and talking trash about these kinds of people >> saying slurs talking talking >> Yeah. Luckily we don't get a lot of that. We really don't get a lot of that.
It's usually just like people being they're like, "Oh, yeah. I don't want >> I just saw it." Just people coming up.
>> Yeah, that's usually how it is. Or saying, you know, "Oh, I don't, you know, there's a a a boy in my on my daughter's sports team and blah blah blah." You know, they they'll tell us about stuff that's going on and, you know, just reasons why they care about it, too. Not they don't come up and just start saying slurs and being nasty. And >> that's more of what what I was asking you guys is why do you you know, why do you care? Why do you personally I I really think it's a a huge issue that's just affecting a lot of people and causing a lot of people a lot of harm right now. I I really I hope people can >> all all humans because this idea >> everyone's aware of it, right? Like everyone most people know about like what transgenderism is and things like that. Correct. So I think >> just being aware of it and thinking that it can be true is harmful to people.
It's kind of like like to me I don't I don't like religion and stuff. Okay.
Like I I think it's harmful because you're believing things that aren't true.
>> I understand >> and you know and and that it spirals out. It spreads out in into other things and like Yeah. No, I would >> I don't know. I just want them to >> be healthy and like feel good. Not I don't want them I don't want them to have these issues that make them want to >> go and like be the other sex. You know what I I would hope that we could figure out a way to resolve that so that they don't cuz really there are a lot of complications and stuff with all the surgeries and stuff. Even if I did agree with it, it's still it's like you a lot of harm can come to your body. I've I've you know I hang out in a lot of trans communities online. I read stuff from people. I see people talking about the complications they have, the incontinents, the nerve damage from things and just all all kinds of just honestly really horrible things like necrotic tissue. their their things are falling off and think just it's really not good. If you can avoid it, I think that's good. Like try to do what you can with your healthy body as it is without altering it to your best ability before you start doing this stuff because it's it's permanent and it it can be very harmful, you know? I just don't want people hurting themselves.
>> All right, I kind of walked up to Troll in the first place. My buddy got really worked up. He's I promise you he's a sweetheart, dude. If you if you knew him and you sat down with him in any other context, uh he probably probably wouldn't have been >> Yeah.
>> this way. People get passionate about this issue and and uh >> I mean obviously we are too, but >> why why can he not control himself?
>> No hard feelings and >> Oh, absolutely not.
>> On my end.
>> No, no, you were perfectly kind and friendly. It was nice to talk to someone.
>> Yeah. I just don't I don't I don't want anybody who who's different in any way to to me any undo harm whether it's you know >> no people who aren't hurting anyone should just >> yeah and I I think >> I think maybe from your perspective some of that looks self-inflicted and I >> I mean no and I I no I understand completely that there are a lot of factors that incur that >> no no I'm saying I'm saying concerning the physical process people go through like some of >> I don't always because sometimes people are kind of ushered through the system.
And like I' I've read again more horror stories of, you know, they gave me hormones immediately and then I was I was getting my I was getting this surgery a couple months later and it it all happened so fast and then they're regretting it, you know, and it I think that's really dangerous.
>> Do do you think it's a a do you think some of that is is some of the ushering through and the emphasis on this issue? Cuz I remember when I was a kid, one of my classmates was trans and it wasn't a big deal.
>> Mhm.
>> That person was trans. We didn't care.
We embraced, you know, like we we treat them like anybody else. And it wasn't a big deal. Nobody made a huge deal out of it, whatever. Kids would try to, you know, bully them here or there. And it and it was like we just handled it, you know.
>> Yeah. Um, >> so I I think uh I think governments and maybe intelligence agencies are exploiting this issue >> pretty >> for for money. Yes, they are. And I mean >> for money or political all kinds of wacky I mean it's in files, dude, that they were trying to trans people for like weird fetish.
>> Yeah. A lot of >> it's >> Yeah.
>> Like if you Yeah. Oh my god. You know what? I had a friend, her her cousin is a surgeon. She switched her practice because she could make so much more money doing trans surgeries. She switched to doing trans surgeries and because apparently they pay really well.
So I think that there is a definitely a monetary component and I it it freaks me out because I don't feel people are getting adequate care when they go to to go get care for this stuff. I think they're just being ushered right through instead of thinking, okay, maybe there's this other thing going on. Maybe maybe there's a reason why you're feeling like this that we could address.
>> It's like a car salesman aspect to it to where they're not given all the information.
>> Exactly. It's not informed consent like they say it is. It's not truly informed and they're they're not told about like a lot of the the complications and the issues that can happen afterward. I read all the time people talking, they didn't tell me this would happen. You didn't tell me when I took testosterone my my vagina would atrophy and blah blah blah all this all this stuff that is just so >> not okay for people to be just being pushed through and people are getting all this money and and then >> they don't get help when they're when they're all messed up. They'll help you.
They'll give you the transaff affirming care. But then when you want to be trans >> there's pretty much. Yeah, >> it it totally is.
>> All right. Thank you guys for talking to school.
>> Yep. You have a good night.
>> All right.
Be safe, man.
>> 911. What's your location?
>> Trans women are men.
>> Trans women are men. Trans women are men. Trans women are men. Trans women are men. Trans women are men. Trans women are men.
>> Trans women are uh men.
>> Um, >> trans women are men.
>> Trans women are men.
>> Uh, trans women are men.
>> Trans women are men.
>> Trans women are men.
>> Trans women are men. Trans women are men.
>> Trans women are men.
>> Trans women are men.
>> Trans women are men.
>> Yeah. Trans women are men or whatever.
Okay.
>> Trans women are men or something like that.
>> Transphobic women are men or trans women or men or something like that. I don't know.
>> Women are trans women or something about trans something or another.
>> Trans women men or whatever.
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