Christian apologetics cannot exist without affirming a true church position because apologetics requires defending the wholeness of Christianity, which includes the church as the bride of Christ and the pillar of truth; without a specific church to point to, apologetics becomes merely propositional Christianity without historical, theological, or metaphysical foundation, making it logically impossible to defend Christianity without claiming a true church position.
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little late to the game today. Uh different family plans.
Uh but here I am everybody. Here I am.
Um so yeah, today is going to be uh actually a really good topic, really important topic that's kind of happening all through the internet. It's always been happening since the beginning. And by beginning, I mean Pentecost.
And so the question is just to get right into it. Sorry, I don't have any small talk today. Oh, how's it going? How's the weather? Let's just like let's just skip all that. Um, the question is whether or not Christian apologetics can exist in a churchless from a churchless position. And Jay has been bringing this up and you know Jay's really mean and everything like that and so people might not want to tangle with the problem and that's really what we're talking about and it it's something that you're not going to really get away from. You're not going to be able to escape this problem if you call yourself a Christian. So it's actually a really good pressing point and it's a loving pressing point. You know what I'm saying? It's a really good one.
And uh I don't think there's actually that many. I mean, everyone who's orthodox would probably hold this position and and press people who are not orthodox on this position, but I would say Jay would be the loudest and necessarily so the most aggressive on this because when he's asking these people, and I put them in the thumbnail, like we're talking about uh IP, we're talking about Avery, there's a whole network of people who who claim Christian apologetics And by the way, apologetics is a is a defense.
That's why it's specifically um a position that actually has to hold a positive. So it's it's actually illogical. It's logically impossible to do Christian apologetics without claiming a true church position.
Otherwise, what are we referring to? I call it propositional. But I thought about it given that the church is the bride of Christ and you if you're defending Christianity, you have to defend the wholeness of the Christian view which would include the bride of Christ. Well, if it's if there's no bride, if it's all just singling mingling, if it's Tinder church, if it's dating church, if it's clubbing church, it's bachelor Christianity.
Now, rhetorically, I think this is good, quite good to call it bachelor Christianity. Why? Because you're treating Christ as a bachelor.
And you don't really need to tell you the name of the girl.
You know what I mean? You don't need to I don't need to tell. I'm not disclosing the bride.
You'll never know. This doesn't work.
This is why it's a disservice not only to you, but it's a disservice to people who you're arguing against in your act activity called Christian apologetics, defense of Christianity. It's a disservice to you and the person you're who's who's debating against you to not have a bride. Cuz when we say, "Well, okay, you you you you annihilated a Muslim, you annihilated a Jehovah Witness, you annihilated a Mormon," and they go, "You know what? You're right.
My view doesn't hold." And then you ask, they ask, "Well, where should I go?
Where should I go?" And you say, "I don't know. I'm still a batch. I'm still I'm still advocating for bachelor Christianity." It doesn't work. It doesn't work actively. It doesn't work historically. It doesn't work um theologically. It doesn't work metaphysically.
There's nothing that you're advocating for if you don't have a church to point to, a body to graft yourself into. There's nothing you're arguing for that's beyond propositions and feelings. And this has done a great disservice to the west especially given that our country is founded on bachelor Christianity. The entire country and its its roots are bachelor Christianity.
It doesn't work.
Are you guys okay with Roman Catholic Church yet? What do you mean yet?
No. What are you talking about? Could you not call it partial apologetics um so long the parallel lines with the truth? Well, no. The truth is the pillar of truth would be the church.
And so part no because what's partial is still just propositions.
That's why I reject it.
Like you can you can say it's only partial in so far as saying propositions that you think are true. But that's the problem. Someone could say a proposition that's true from their Protestant position and it's true in a sense, but it's not true in the sense that it's true in an orthodox view. And an orthodox person might go, "Yeah, that's true, but let me let me refine it. Let me refine how it's true." That's why it doesn't do do much. It doesn't do much.
And it doesn't do much to for people to be lost uh in in the sea floating on a um a punctured floaty device called Islam or called this or called that. And then you go, "Look, I'm here to save you from your pun from your punctured floaty device. You're drowning here."
And then they go, "Cool. What am I grabbing?" And you go, "I don't know.
Actually, I'm not actually sure what you're grabbing.
And the reason I'm making this is I was watching John Steel um who's doing I think he finally waited for some of the dust to settle with all this and he's doing some commentary on Jay um and the whole debacle and trying to sift through like well what's unnecessary drama and what you know what's really at stake here and um I think that um the approach for Christianity honestly when it comes down to it like when you really get down to the core you can't be a churchless apologist it's impossible and I think this argument is actually crucial because it's it's the same argument against Protestantism it's the same argument against anything heterodox from an orthodox position.
It's all the same argument. It's well, who gave you the Bible? Who do you trust as the early church? Where's the true church in 400? Uh where's the true church in 200? These are all good questions, but honestly, I think rhetorically and as far as the accessibility of the the counterargument, calling people bachelor Christians and and pressing them on the missing wife, the missing bride.
That's brutal. That's a brutal attack.
And it's good for them. It's a good attack.
It's a necessary attack and I think they can grasp it. I think they can grasp it.
Any word on metaphysics Mike's going to liturgy? I don't I didn't hear anything.
He didn't say it. He would it would honestly do him well even if he had further critiques. It would do well for, you know, for him, even his audience, even his channel to go to a divine liturgy and do, you know, do the what the people do. They go, I I'm a Unitarian. Unitarian goes to divine liturgy. It's like it can't hurt.
Um, churchless apologetics are reaching their natural logical conclusion. That's right. Everything we're seeing is exactly that. And you can't get away.
You can't get away with it. And you'd have to do a lot of work to look at Jay and what he's doing. You have to do a lot of work to argue to to move away from his central point. And I'm trying to echo his central point because it's a really good point. In fact, all other points are irrelevant unless you address this point. Here's the point. Christ started a church.
The church is the bride of of Christ.
The church is the pillar of truth.
If you're arguing Christianity, you're not only historically arguing for a true church, but metaphysically and logically you're arguing for something called a true church.
Because what are you asking people to graft themselves into if you can't name the church? Are you asking them to to graft themselves into a general notion, a set of pure propositions? Is it just affirm the apostles creed? Are you going to extend that to the nyine creed? Even that is insufficient from an orthodox view. The orthodox view doesn't say, "Hey, do you agree with the nyen creed? Yeah, I kind of do. Okay, you're orthodox." No, that's not how it works either.
Jay is your guy. That's not an argument.
You see what I'm saying? You're not contending with the position. And I'm echoing what Jay is saying. J what Jay is really saying when he says churchless apologetics is he he's saying what I'm saying right now. You it's impossible to do churchless apologetics. That is the defense. You can do an attack. You can do whatever you call the attack on the other view.
You know you can go out and attack views. You can do that as an atheist though. Thank you for your short landing tax. I really appreciate you.
Um, today I'm going to try to be fairly aggressive with the goal. It's been a bit of a slow week.
Um, also I'm So I might have to I might be meeting with uh David Patrick Harry and his wife later. Hopefully they're in my area.
I'm saying Jay is your guy as a question. Jay is a guy.
What do you mean your guy?
We're not talking about whose guy is who guy. We're talking about a topic called Christianity apologetics and who is the church.
Sorry, got to go come home to Rome. No, Rome is is not an option. Not an option.
You can't even tell me that uh Muslims are really doing anything wrong from a Roman Catholic position. So you guys cooked yourself a wall. Certainly in 1965, but uh even before that doesn't work.
The in church's invisible dog. Just cuz you can't see it don't mean it don't exist. You can't see the father and you believe exists. Boom. Roasted. That's funny. It's funny.
So things are going to get more critical as time goes on. Okay? I know it's going to get uncomfortable for these people out here with their channels, whether they're big or small, whether they're influential or not. They're going to be doing these videos and the orthodox are not going away when we come in to your chats or we come into your comments or we do reviews on you and say, "Look, what is this argument from?
are you moving people to Christianity?
And they say,"Yeah, I think so." And we say, "Well, how do you know you're moving people to Christianity if you can't name the church?" Or if you think you could name the church, you're not speaking her name.
What is the what is the direction? What is the teology of apologetics? The defense of question mark Is churchless apologetics what Mer and Andrew talked for three hours about? I don't even know. I wouldn't even consider that a debate or even a proper conversation.
Like Mer and company, they are so spiritually deluded in combination with cognitively impaired that it's a complete waste of time.
They're fodder.
I think that's I mean honestly that's just Andrew just honestly bored playing with audves you know like it's like that's him filling up some kind of free time like he was like should I play video games or should I toy with these little legless puppies they say we are practicing Midwest doxy but what is their solution be random I don't know they don't have a solution They can't point to a true church. And that's the that's the crux of it. And there's no getting away. You can talk about how mean Jay Dier is. You can talk about how much Andrew cusses and smokes cigarettes. You can talk about how uh how I often dip into three glasses of rye in the evening streams.
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter. You got you got to you got to deal with this problem, guys.
It's the best problem for you to deal with, too. I know. I know it's annoying.
the Orthodox online especially, we're so arrogant.
We're so arrogant with our beards and our church fathers. And I get it. It's annoying.
I know.
But you can't get away from this. I won't let you get away from it. It's for your own good. Have you seen David Wood posted a video praising a specific AI that helps interpret the Bible against Muslims arguments? AI interprets the Bible, not the church fathers. Yeah.
Yeah. And he's he's like one of the more evasive about all of this.
And um I was listening to John, God bless John.
Even John was still not quite grasping this. The argument isn't the argument ultimately from an orthodox position is you really can't do uh Christian apologetics unless you're Orthodox.
That's actually true from the Orthodox position. But that's actually not what we're arguing in this particular uh phenomenon that's been lingering for the last 3 weeks. What we're arguing is you can't do Christian apologetics without you assuming something as affirmative as the orthodox position.
We're not saying you need you're going to have to um pretend to be orthodox.
No, it's not like that. It's not that's not what it is. It's that you have to assume a positive position to do apologetics, right? If you openly declare that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart God raised from the dead, you will be saved.
Well, no. That even that is a you need a church for that to be true. That's just a proposition. This is what I'm talking about, guys. This is bachelor apologetics.
Bachelor Christianity is a set of propositions, propositional Christianity. That's never been historically the Christian practice.
That's not even a tradition.
Propositional apologetics, a propositional Christianity. There's nothing to do. You just look, if you wake up and say a proposition out loud or in your head, by golly, you're you're good. That's never been the case.
That's never been the case in church history ever.
You can't. There's nothing to do.
Catholics engage in churchless apologetics. No, actually, no. No.
Catholics Catholics actually make the affirmative position. Now, they can't they can't exhaustively defend it, but at least Catholics say, "No, this is the true church." Catholics say, "Come home."
Catholics get some respect for actually affirming a positive position.
Now, when you get into their doctrine, you realize that they too have a couple of um uh brothel you can pray at essentially.
So, it it does fall apart, but at least the position from a Catholic view is making the affirmative of a true church.
You're an idiot. That's not an argument.
You can't really argue against what I'm saying. Calling me an idiot. It might be even true that I'm an idiot. But guess who's not dealing with the problem.
John said the church can't be known. It can only be guessed. You're right. But that also requires that's like a performative contradiction. You know, much love to John. I like John a lot.
But no, that's the end of your apologetics right there. you you got to deal with this you know you got to deal with this you can't really say if that's the position now I don't know John specifically said that but there are people who take that approach you can't really know you're guessing and good you know you hope the Holy Spirit guides you do what you can read the Bible hope hope that for the best right well no what I'm saying is that even even the David Wood approach of reading the Bible is also affirming indirectly a true church that existed to before you. So that's the thing is like you can't even do Bible apo apologetics without assuming church authority that there's a true body of Christ, their true bride of Christ.
You're basically on a map saying, "Look, I'm here to rescue you." Right? Imagine you're lost in the woods. Imagine a guy's lost in the woods and the helicopter comes and picks up the guy in the woods, right? ties him to the the thing, pulls him up to the chopper, and once he gets to the chopper, he says, "I'm so glad you guys found me." And the pilot and the guide say, "Well, we don't really know where we are."
Wait, what? What is this rescue mission then?
Where are we going? Sorry, we don't have any maps. We don't have any keys. We don't have any legends. We can't even interpret the map even if you gave it to us. We don't even know where we're going.
That's the blind leading the blind.
Would you really feel rescued if the rescue team had no idea where to take you? They don't even know where the hospital is. Like, like, let's make it even more a onetoone analogy. They pick you up and you're injured spiritually.
You have a broken leg. Spiritually, they pick you up. Oh, glory to God. I've been picked up by the spiritual ambulance.
Ah, I'm so happy. I'm so thankful. Thank you, God.
All right, we're going to the We're going to the hospital, right? No, I have no idea.
I have no idea where we're going. I don't know where the hospital is. I don't I'm just going to guess. I'm going to drop you off. I'm going to hope that the that the place I bring you that the parking lot has a cross. Maybe it has a cross and it says the word Christian. Maybe. And hopefully that works. They'll get you all fixed up.
What? Why are you even picking me up then? I don't know. Seems like the right thing to do. Just kind of winging it. I guess I'm going to wing it. You know what I mean?
To be more precise, John said he would direct defected Muslims to Catholic orthodox. I did hear him say that, right? He he does know. Like John John knows.
Like there's no way. I've watched John for it's probably a year now. John knows that underneath it all, he's going to have to he's going to have to point to something more rigorous.
I'm not going to pressure him in his timeline, but from what he said, from what how he's answered questions, he's on his he's on his way. And that's going to be uh that might be hard actually. That might be hard to navigate. But yeah, I heard him say that.
Um, yeah, he basically took the David Wood approach, but but even John is more clear that there has to be some historical body. He knows that. David Wood doesn't. John is way more ahead uh of the curve than David Wood is. David Wood said, "I don't know. Read the Bible and then find a church that aligns with your interpretation of the Bible." John didn't say that. No. No. John knows that there's really only two two potential uh roots. There's only two potential roots.
It's Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy.
Historically, there's no way to argue otherwise. It's impossible. You have to invent like Mormons. You have to invent a bodyless mind church that somehow was um present in the Orthodox church, but not the Orthodox practice. That they were in there. They didn't even know they were in there.
Like you press people like Metaphysics Mike on this, you go, "Where's the early church in uh 300, 400?" And he says, "Yeah, I think that there are people in Christ true church that were in the Orthodox tradition and and not in the Orthodox position and in maybe even in the Aryan tradition, if you want to call it that, the Aryan heresies."
Um, so they're picked out. They're like special people among the false churches, right? Who are they? How do you know who they are? So, they're in the true church metaphysically, spiritually, but they're actualizing practice that you find idolatrous.
What is there a true bishop? Do you affirm Ignatius? Do you affirm any of the church fathers? Do you affirm the structure?
Ask any of these people in their bachelor ministries where where the true bishop is. Who is the true? Who is it? A a teacher that you trust that is a part of the chronological historical succession that can be led back to the early church.
Fair question, right? And yet it's never answered. Fair question that's never answered. Fair questions.
They should at least uh warrant a fair answer and you never get it. I would pay to see a Muslim reading the Bible and then choosing the church on his own. See what I'm saying? How crazy that is?
Knowing that what they believe is a Quran is they approach well they'll start eating the Bible. They'll find a Baptist church where they're literally eating pages of the Bible. They'll go to uh whatever Pastor Bob, the guy that Jay debated, right? Or that nut nut nut job Stephen Anderson. You know, ask any of the Bachelor apologists, why shouldn't we go to Stephen Anderson's church?
Anybody?
Any of you guys, Avery, David Wood, Mike Jones, anybody want to want to give some input on this? Rouslon, why why is uh could you say that Stephen Anderson's little cult church of retardation is actually out of the question? Cuz if you take an ambiguous bride that's, you know, it's a zombie bride, you don't know where it is.
She's elusive.
She's like a ninja. She's a ninja bride.
If you hold that position, she could very well be Stephen Anderson's church, right? I would pay to see a Muslim. Oh, yeah. I already got that. Thank you.
Um, they're like the guys who are married to the anime pillow girls, except it's a Jesus bill. Yeah, it really is like that. Like, I know that's pretty brutal, but that's that's true.
That's actually true.
The Eternal Bible Tablet. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
So my recommendation like you know because we're in this like weird interesting subculture of online apologetics defense attacks you know and it's a small percent right the rest of the world especially is orthodoxy we're talking 270 million people worldwide most of them are not doing this kind of dance online they're just you know they culturally go to church they're cradle they're converts they're they're living the life of orthodoxy which really ends up being the most important thing. But for some of us, given our gifts, given our uh you know what what we lean into as far as like how we communicate about orthodoxy.
Here we are. Okay. Here we are. We're online. We're talking heads. We're trying to find the we're trying to argue for the truth. We're trying to uh negate things that are false. And uh Ghost Bride ain't going to cut it.
Why should you trust Paul's conversion experience? Well, no. Well, that's actually a good question. Why should you trust trust the account of his conversion? You're assuming that there's an accurate account of the conversion.
This is what the Protestant world, the heterodox world, the bachelor Christianity world, this is what they never really engage with. They're just they just think magically they have a proper trustworthy account of Paul's experience.
You're just granting the experience.
Trusting Paul. Well, no. You have a bigger problem than that. You have to trust the preserved teachings and historical account of Paul and his experience, not just Paul's experience as if it exists in a vacuum.
You need to be taught about Paul's experience. You need a reference for Paul's experience. You need an account for Paul's experience. Paul's experience itself being under the microscope is distinct from how you even know about Paul's experience. And everyone's like, "What do you mean we have the Bible now?"
Yeah, that's what I'm that's my point.
are if you're in a if you're a Christian apologist and you appeal to the Bible, you're uh you're indirectly appealing to something that's not the Bible.
Unless you, you know, unless you really try to make m uh, you know, ninja mind church. Yeah. Ninja. Yeah, exactly.
Did Stephen Anderson get out of his legal troubles? I'm not sure about that.
Hey J J Bone Orthodox says we can't say for sure if a person is saved and yet say if you aren't a part of the Orthodox church you aren't saved. Can you explain that? Yeah. The the question of is there a path toward salvation that Christ gave us? We say yes. That's the Orthodox Church. So we know the path of salvation. Knowing the path of salvation is not the same of knowing someone's hological status. That's a different different thing. Um, truth revolt. It's a good question. And this, uh, question is was answered recently on a video I just saw. I forget if it was on Contemporary Compendium. I think it was Father Steven the Young. You have to get into what it means to be saved from an orthodox position. What is salvation?
It's not a stamp. It's not a one-time you got it. You got the bracelet to get into the bar. You're good. It can't be taken away from you.
So to to answer the question more thoroughly, I recommend Father Steven D.
Young or go to liturgy and ask a priest.
So they're going to get more uh into it, right? There's probably even people in the chat who could help you along with this. But from the outset, just the question itself, you have to determine what saved means from an orthodox perspective. And you have to then distinguish that a path to salvation that we were given is distinct from the claim the the status of the soul.
Two different things. The orthodox view is firm that we were given the church the church through the sacraments through baptism through participation through synergy. That's the direction we're telling. We have a map and we're saying this is true north. If you want to be saved out of the woods, this is the the direction. That's not We can't tell you that you got out of the woods.
We can't tell you for sure if you got out of the woods. We're telling you, but here's the map. Okay.
Yeah. W Father Steven.
So anyway, um I think this is going to I don't even think it's going to heat up in the sense of like you know um super combative blood sporty yell and scream and I think things are going to cool down uh but it's not going to go away and so people I you know I hope in the next couple coming months that people have and uh panels and debates where they properly examine um this view. Now, it gives me a really good idea for a debate. You know, I'd like to have a debate before Kelly Powers and Alex Saurin given these topics are so hot right now, but it's it's actually hard to find people who are willing to step up to the plate in a timely manner. But certainly, this topic of churchless apologetics is a good one.
Honestly, it could even be a twoon two given the nature of the of the prompt.
Kenny Powers. Yeah, Kenny Powers.
Giovani, I will say your name as if it's an Italian name and I don't care.
When you say Kelly here, Kenny. Yeah.
Yeah, he's pretty go he's going pretty hard lately, too. But um at least he's engaging.
At least he's actually engaging. I actually sent you guys to his stream so that I could populate his chat with uh Orthodox people, you know.
might as well.
It's properly grounded and the roots of salvation are in the Orthodox church.
Who else would you rather go to understand the path that Yeah. What you know are who are we listening to?
Like that's the that's the thing. That's the greater point here. Oh, thank you, Vagene. Just a nice lady.
>> YouTube ate my super chat. Once they affirm the right of private judgment, they have no grounds to condemn anyone's choice of church, whether it's Steve Anderson Bible cult or orthodoxy.
>> Yes, that's right. You can't condemn it.
You can't condemn eating the Bible. Um, be prepared for them to use people like Chud as a distractions against orthodoxy in debates and public discourse. Yeah, that guy. That's why I think even Orthodox people shouldn't even really be covering him or caring at all. Like I don't think anybody should have been pulled into he's one of us with that guy especially. That guy's super questionable.
And I don't usually do the he's glowing thing, you know. Oh, cuz Jimmy cracked corn.
I don't usually do that, but that whole thing's sketchy when you get these loud people who are a bit erratic and they're they're just constantly up and down, up and down, and then they dip into orthodoxy and they're like, "Guys, I'm orthodox kind of." And everyone's like, "Are you?" And then you're down and up and you're going through legal things and you're, you know, I don't, you just got to pray for those people but not use them as uh team players, you know. That's why I'm never really super excited necessarily when someone who's fairly well-known, whether they're famous or whether they're uh popular political figures and they start inching toward orthodoxy, I say glory to God, but you got to be really careful when you put them up on a pedestal as some sort of uh image of orthodoxy because they're not.
Protestantism equals western individual society. Yes. Yes. Straight up hard facts right there.
In the end, we will see the numbers.
People are leaving Rhythm Church. They are. They are. They They are leaving Rhythm Church. And it's working. By the way, whatever's happening online with orthodoxy, whether or not it feels icky to you or not and contentious and you don't like it, you don't like fighting, you don't like when when your parents fight or whatever, it has an effect. And the priests know this. That's why you get so many mixed reviews from from Orthodox priests on this matter because they'll say, "I don't really like how a lot of these people talk and operate and bully people or whatever, but they can't possibly say that people aren't reporting their entrance physically into the doors of orthodoxy aren't in part or in full due to on online sources.
You know, you can't say you can't say otherwise." So, they have like their work cut out. Good. I'm glad they do.
The Protestant pilot did take me to the hospital and fix my spiritual broken leg, but they ended up just circumcising. That's funny. Yeah.
They're like, "I have a broken spiritual leg." They're like, "Can you should go to the synagogue?"
Like, what?
What?
I'm sure he was an inquirer. Well, yeah.
Yeah, but yeah, he was actually uh rejected, I think, is what happened.
Chud was actually rejected for his antic. They were like, "You're not ready for this."
Technically, private interpretation would allow for Satanism, too. It's the same biblical universe, and that's how Satan Satan Satanists interpreted. Yeah.
Yep. Well, like I said, I I asked someone in John's chat earlier, which kind of prompted my stream today, is uh how do you if you don't have a if you don't have a true But if you don't have a true bride, if you can't point and name the bride, then how do you know unitarianism is not the bride? It has to be partially. How are you going to say otherwise? You know, it's a law of identity issue, which is like a further logical problem with churchless apologetics. It's a contradiction.
It's an actual P and not P contradiction to do churchless apologetics.
I can make the case for that cuz there's no identity that you're bringing people to. You're like, there's a tree out there probably with roots. I don't know where it is.
Just hope that you fi find it one day.
Find what? The thing that has no reference. Yeah, that's just mind church.
Yeah, I was talking about Chud the Builder. Yeah, big old 20. Thank you so much for that addition. Pastor Mike, my VIP velvet chair has an obstructed view of the baptism of the saved Mormon spacewives for the remodel of my section and your pool. Well, we will send people out to fix that for you, Pastor Mike. By the way, Pastor Mike has been working hard at promoting and producing the web exorcism.
There's he's still debating how much of it's going to be live and how much of it's going to be pre-recorded.
Mind church.
Mind church.
He's our orthop.
Where's this guy? Granadus. What's your argument? Look, I want to stick to the topic. Anyone in the chat?
So, your epistemic criteria, ethical criterion is Jay Dyer. No. No. Jay Dyer doesn't point to himself. He points to the church. That's why people who go to orthodoxy and they're asked, "How did you learn about orthodoxy?" They say, "Jay Dyer." That's Jay Dyer doing churchful apologetics.
churchful.
There is a church. That's the difference. And to be clear, what you know, Jay's attack, and I'll lump myself in there. When you say when we say they're grifting, someone's grifting.
Someone like Relon, the thing I reviewed yesterday, horrifying.
Horrifying. Relon is some of the worst of it because he's claiming Christianity is churchless.
He doesn't point anybody to any church except for like uh everything everything matters which would include orthodoxy by the way.
So the grift is this.
If you are some sort of online commentator and you're claiming a positive position on Christianity and we ask you where can I go? Where is that?
And you say there's no such thing. I don't really know. That's a type of grift because you're offering something.
You're building a type of business around your identity where it's selling the audience that you are and you do represent something called pro-Christian or defense apologetic Christian.
But when we ask where where do you go and then you go I don't know. We consider that misleading and empty. We consider that damage to people. We consider that mis misleading and guiding people away. Churchless apologetics is like convincing people to get on an airplane, skydive, and they don't have a parachute for them. It is. It is.
You can't have a business church.
That's all these guys do. Like that was so like that was so hard for me to watch yesterday and manage my rage. the baseball player guy and all these like rich douchebags who just meet up and call it a summit and literally the only thing they're really talking about is their feelings and how much money they're making.
Sick.
I'm disgusted.
Here's for Pastor Max Bentley. Well, it's my second Bentley. We can get a word from you today. Release date on the fruit scroll-ups. Yeah, you'll get a word from your sponsor. You know, I'm you know, I don't have sponsors. You guys are my sponsors. So, I needed to um I needed to merge a little bit, you know, because it was easy to get Lakewood Ministries. They didn't even check who I am. They don't even know I'm Orthodox.
They don't even know it. But Mike is so happy about expansions that he doesn't even do any due diligence. Him and Nancy, they don't care. their eyes light up like they're at an Amway convention.
I simply emailed Pastor Mike and I said, "Hey, do you mind if I talk about Lakewood Ministries and its legal status?"
He was like, "I love it. I love you.
I love it.
I can't help. I can't not I can't I can't do it.
It just turns into him.
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David Wood recently just said what he really thinks about church collecting Bible and need Godnet needed God.net a guy's channel. I wish to hear your take on it. Collecting Bible?
Wait, about the church collecting Bible?
Wait, are you talking about that digital Bible bit that need God.net? By the way, did you recently see Alex Saurin completely destroy needgod.net?
I don't know when that happened, but I really wish they would save these ex exchanges for proper moderated debate format. You know what I'm saying?
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Lakewood Ministries had those pancakes for you.
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Ephraim says, "God bless you, Ephraim. I was brought back to Christianity, quote, through a business church. And by the end of my life and my faith were in a horrible place. That's when I became Orthodoxy. Non-denom offers no healing.
There is no hospital. Yeah. There's no healing because there's no hospital.
Okay.
You don't have you don't have a hospital. You don't have healing. You don't have any you don't have priests.
You don't have doctors, surgeons.
You don't have a bishop. What are we talking about?
That's like going to Mexico and you think you're getting a surgery from an a proper doctor and it's just some dude scamming you.
He said he was a doctor.
You know what I'm saying?
The analogies are endless. They actually really are good analogies, too.
Cuz isn't that what you're saying? Even the bachelor Christianity, the the the brideless Christianity, the tindered Christianity, aren't you really saying that Christianity is going to heal you? And notice how they talk about it. They skip in between. They say Christ has no real true church. You as long as you have Christ, now you have you have you're in. And you have nothing in between. There's no body. There's no arms and legs. There's just the head.
It's a head. It's it's literally mine, church. Even even the way you would summarize it for Christ himself being the head, being the high priest, it's just it's just Christ's head floating.
It's a floating head.
So, is churchless apologetics not worse than Satanism? Satanism openly in a sense it's uh it's uh more perverse.
Yeah, I would say that. Yeah, in a sense it's more perverse because it's in the name of it's in the name of and people are grasping this. It's slow for some, it's fast for others, but it's happening, you know. So, if you ever get like blackpilled online and you know, like I go through these experience of of looping, you know, it only takes a couple days for my DMs to fill up and people going, I went I finally went to liturgy. Thank you.
Something's occurring. Okay.
People are looking for the map, right? And uh they're annoyed that Orthodox, notice how they're less annoyed with Catholics.
Now, Protestants have made their identity historically from opposition to Catholics, but now they have to deal with Orthodox people.
But they just get so like like they get so overwhelmed when someone h says they think it's arrogance. Like that's that's one of the misconceptions I see when when someone like myself or Jay or anyone else comes to the table and says we affirm one true holy apostolic church.
They think that is so presumptive. They think that. Not all of them, but the the fair amount that I've engaged with, they actually say it. Oh my gosh, I am so tired of you guys being so arrogant. You're like, were the apostles arrogant? Were the 70 that followed arrogant?
Was St. Arnaeus arrogant in his defense and his offense in regards to heresies?
Imagine Imagine using this approach in the early church. Imagine showing up and knocking on a door be like, "You know what?
Those letters that you wrote, gh I'm so tired of this that you are the you know your corrective letters.
It is the reason I'm not actually coming to church. Just so you know, I hope you're happy." It's like it's such presentist garbage. Before orthodox non-denom taught me that you can hear God speak at any time, it influenced me to use 7-Eleven slurp slurpees as communion because it's just symbolic Lord of Mercy. Yeah, that was gnarly.
That guy, that millionaire. We later learned that he's a he's a millionaire wheeler dealer, whatever his name is. Uh Taylor Welsh.
Oh, just a gods of frequency.
To flesh out the analogy, if you break all of the bones in your body, you can either go to the hospital and to the doctors that can heal you to perfect health or you can try your luck and let it heal naturally, but there is no guarantee your bones will recover as they were or that you will even survive.
Likewise with salvation, you can go to the Orthodox church and to the doctors and there's no other church, but there's the chance that anyone outside of the church can get taken in by God to his hospital when they die.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And by the way, the natural thing works in biologically, but if you look at it through the orthodox lens, um, uh, sin, death, decay, and all this would be unnatural. So, you're actually hoping that that your spirit heals unnaturally. Unnaturally.
That's crazy. What do I mean by looping?
Looping means like the same exact arguments, the same contentions, the same uh uh energy, the same energy about it. It just keeps looping and looping and looping. We're like stuck in an endless uh you know uh hamster wheel.
Try the new Pharisee Fuseberry and Apostle Apricot. That's funny. As well as Judith Juneberry. Yeah. Yeah.
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JRIP says, "Jim Bob, just sent you a post on Luther's beliefs via Instagram.
Please do a Luther Reformation stream."
Yeah, people have been calling for that.
It takes a bit of uh learning from me.
Pastor Mike makes me apologetics when my tithe gets too low. That's right. That's right.
That is right. Amen to that. Serpico 10 bucks. Thank you so much. David said church fathers chose the right books based on evidence and probability. And anyone else would come to the same conclusion. You should watch that discussion. He reveals his thoughts. Oh, I know. I know his view. We've seen his view. That's for sure.
I mean, he he basically he's for anyone who sees it, he's in some trouble. And good. It's okay to be in trouble, David.
It's okay. It's okay to to finally come to the conclusion that you're drowning in pluralism. It's okay. The first step is acknowledging it.
And I don't even mean that condescendingly. I know it's impossible for me to say things that don't sound condescending, but trust me.
Um, oh yeah, what I was going to say is notice that stream yesterday that I reviewed of the the the moguls, the Christian Grifter mogul meeting up at a summit talking about their ways in which they market and stuff like this with their little personalized testimonies of how God changed their life so they have a Ferrari or something like this. Notice how Relon and these other types don't isolate someone like Taylor Welsh when recently he does a stream saying God Christ is a frequency. Christ is uh is based in kinesiology. Christ is a feeling. They don't come they don't care.
That's the grift.
The silence on some of these these things show they don't care about the truth. That's fine as long as you are wheeling and dealing with another big uh company like Taylor Welsh and whatever he brings to the table. None of these guys say, "Look, dude, you said some wild, wild dude.
You told me your wife is a prophet. Your wife is the antenna and the downloader of Christ. That's what you're saying.
And I and and what what is Ruseine?
Yeah. No, dude. You do your thing, dude.
We're coming up on the summit, you know, different people. This is what I like about this. Different people come together. Taylor, you know, I've been working with Taylor for a while. You know, he reps some of my sweatshirts on his streams. I like that. And he said something like, you know, you know, Christ is based in kinesiology and he's merely a frequency and you just got to be on the right channel to download it and stuff. Said his wife leads him.
That's all good, dude. That's all good.
It's like, I'm done with these people, man.
They not only have to be called out, they have to be publicly ridiculed in epic hyperbolic fashion. They need to become LOL cows.
Bunch of lion snakes.
What's your problem, dude? We're just trying to run a company. And that's the thing. That's where I differ, you know, in in one sense um from John Steel and this came up, right? He's like looking at these guys and going, "Well, they have companies, right?" No, the distinction that needs to be made, John, is they have a company based inextricably tied into what they call like some uh uh ambiguous Christian position. Their companies are tied into their churches.
You can't separate them.
Their bride is a dead corporation.
That's their bride, a dead corporation.
a corporation, a dead entity, not a living body, a dead entity. That's the grift. That's that should be that should be so horrifying to people and it's not.
It's like what's these Orthobros problems?
What going through my going to my first divine liturgy in June? Glory to God.
You and Jay have been integral in guiding me through the spiritual quagmire after letting go of my atheism.
Nice. Thank you for all you do. God bless. God bless you. That's amazing.
Sometimes it might be easier to get an atheist to go to liturgy. Honestly, um, hold on. I I missed a chat from the one and only plumber. Hold on a second.
Uh, it's taken me almost a year to shake off the shame of my behavior in the past and finally go talk to a priest a few months ago. Julian says, "I went to St. George Antiocian Orthodox Church here in Orlando, Florida. The saints have real substance." Yeah, read a read. Try to read I can't always do it or I I don't always do it. I can do it. I don't always do it. read read one saint a day you know cuz you have to you have to understand if you're asking how do I live a life in Christ how do I live what's the life of a Christian certainly to ask the question means there was a life and here's another thing for orthodoxy when you say what's the fruits of orthodoxy what Jay Dyer and his and his shirts no thanks bro I don't even like Bitcoin No, orthodoxy. The fruits of orthodoxy, the saints are the fruits of orthodoxy.
You can tell they don't think about their position at all. They'll dismiss Mormons out of hand and then their criteria for proper church can easily sat be satisfied by Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses. Yes, that's right.
It's a little presumptuous that the Orthodox Church preserved all the scriptures that God preserved on the day of Pentecost in every language.
I can't tell if you're being facicious there actually by your name of your um by the name I assume you're not being facitious and sarcastic um to it's presumptuous to say the orthodox church orthodox just means the true church it's not presumptuous you know the church started Christ started a church Okay. To to even have knowledge of that church, you need to have some sort of successive authority structure to trust the account of the church. Like what's Pentecost? You know what I mean?
Like how do you how do you know anything about Pentecost if you're not trusting a church's account of it? Thanks, Jimmy. I find myself saying, "That's right.
That's right." underneath my breath at randomly throughout the day. I know when you have a when you're fixing someone's house, Austin, uh that's probably going to happen. I apologize.
They're going to be like, "Are you serious? This is going to be $1,500."
And and he's all That's right.
That's right. That's right.
That's right. All right. Let's look at this. Uh, I hope you guys got a good sense of the argument for a true church, for a bride, and why anything that doesn't actually point to a true church and a bride. Your church history is in question. Your account of the gospels and the teachings in the life of Christ are in question. Um, the Bible, the books of the Bible that you affirm, whatever those are, is it the 66? Is it 73? What is it? What are we talking about?
the preservation of the interpretive uh the inter the interpreted books.
What is the practice of Christianity?
That's in question. Without the true church, you're dating.
Stop dating. Christianity isn't Tinder.
You don't get to be the creepy 50-year-old guy who's dating churches.
What do I drink? Angels envy. I don't see myself moving away from it anytime soon.
Just leave us alone. We believe in Jesus. That's right.
That's right. All right. I want to um review this real quick and I'll, you know, I'll probably come back to this because it's such an important point, but I think I got a good nugget there.
I'm g start clipping this stuff so that it's concise and you don't have to watch five hours.
All right, let's showcase. Not that this guy was ever taken seriously, but he's getting a little more loud lately, and that's good. I honestly, it's better that these types get seen.
The closest thing, you know, Lord have mercy on my soul. I think neededgod.net Ryan is the closest thing I can think of to a true Gollum.
Not a fan. All right, time out. You get a timeout for that.
>> Somebody just reiterated some viewer chat rules. They said by coming on the viewer chat, you agree to get to the point quickly. Make sure you have a question or topic you want to ask about.
>> Not interrupt Ryan when he was speaking.
I'll bet you they added that one after his interaction with Val. Ryan will determine when a topic has been sufficiently covered to prevent going around in circles. If Ryan mutes the viewer, the viewer is not to unmute themselves. Salvation comes through the Jews, but I tell you, it will not matter on what mountain you worship as long as you worship the spirit and truth. Yeah, that's nebulous. That's meaningless uh poetry.
None of that means anything without church tradition. None of that means anything without uh interpretive authority. None of that means anything without practice, which is tradition.
What's practice if it's not tradition?
Okay, there's nothing you're saying.
Okay, you're just this is propositional Christianity. This is brideless Christianity. This is a bachelor talking to himself in the mirror. This is what bachelor Christianity is.
Just just just statements.
He's just grooming himself in the mirror, combing his hair, brushing his beard, trimming his eyebrows.
Gibberish.
You have to come with a humble heart ready to learn. Not a >> Yeah. What's worship? Yeah. Exactly.
Exactly. Rich, there's so many assumptions in there. What is proper worship? Guess what? As Alex says, venerating hard is that worship or combative attitude. I hope that these rules go both ways, dude. I hope that they go both ways. Uh, Spartan Speedrun sent five chat. Thank you >> for the super chat. I know it gives grace in some way, but what exactly does the Eucharist?
>> Yeah, oneliner. It's bumper stick the It's bumper sticker theology. That's all you're doing.
do in us and for and that actually works for people. Why? Because a lot of times saying things like that will draw up some emotion. It's a motive. Oh, that sounds so true. Yeah. Well, you know what also sounds like it means something? Red Hot Chili Peppers lyrics.
Does it? I don't think so. For us, how essential is it for salvation?
>> All right.
and we'll bring up Alex. Welcome, Eric.
Alex.
>> Yo, what's up?
>> YOLO. Good to have you here, bro.
>> Yeah. Um, >> us today.
>> Well, I want to be open from the get- go here. I am a a YouTuber and I post uh Orthodox content, so I'm an Orthodox Christian. And I guess I'll get straight to the point to adhere to the rules that you have here. I have a problem with your character. Can >> you turn your camera? Is that possible?
>> Uh, sure. I'm also live streaming. So, yeah, there you go.
>> Do I know John Manado, Hans of Truth?
claiming the Christians. Yeah, who cares?
>> How are you?
>> Yeah, not bad. Not bad. Yeah. So, maybe I'll ask you then. So, how sure are you out of 100, you're going to heaven?
>> Diggy diggy.
>> Well, I am saved. I am being saved and I will.
>> Can you imagine someone doing this?
Probably exists. There's a Red Hot Chili Peppers concert and their person who's doing sign language for Red Hot Chili Peppers would be so funny.
>> Be saved.
>> That's actually a funny skit.
>> Uh, I don't think. Sure. or pearl jam.
>> This is something that's guaranteed. But again, uh my problem with you is your characterization of penal substitutionary atonement. If you want to talk about assurance, that's fine.
>> 100. Like what do you think?
>> Uh I'm pretty sure uh 0 to 100. Uh I guess I can't say 100.
>> You can't say 100. Okay.
>> Oh, hold on. I have an issue.
>> Do you think Paul could say 100?
>> Uh no, I don't think he did. How long ago is this? I think this might be pretty recent, actually.
>> Really? I think it is. Let's have a look at 2 Timothy 4 verse 18. He says this, "The Lord will rescue me from every evil deed and bring me."
>> It means nothing. Jesus, what are you saying, dude? What are you drunk?
What are you, some sort of junkie?
>> To him be the glory for >> We don't know what you're saying. Why don't you chew the Why don't you chew the Bible pages fully before you talk?
>> So, Paul was sure about where he was going. He knew that the Lord will bring him safely into heavenly kingdom.
>> Yeah. I think a better way to look at that is that he has a hope that Christ will bring him into the kingdom because there are other places in Paul.
>> Oh, this is five months ago actually.
Yeah. He needs to he needs to challenge these people in a moderated This is why you know what I mean? You know what?
This can get good clips. Is this a good clip? This is why I'm like a bit hesitant to move really good apologists into this setting. Now, Alex did fine.
Of course, he got kicked at the end.
which is like a really a good demonstration of the opposition failing.
Um, not always. Sometimes it it requires a kick, but um the reason I don't like the call-in thing is the same reason um uh they could take this exchange and say, "Well, we already did it." For instance, when I called in three against one against professor, not a professor Dave on evolution, he took that like we debated.
That was actually a mistake. It was a fun opportunity for me to get him to say his brain has no purpose in thinking, but ultimately I would I it it actually made it impossible or unlikely that we'll ever actually have a formal debate. Same thing with uh these other dweebs, these other EVO dweebs. So, I don't know. That's my take. I think the the call in the Tik Tok thing actually is used as an excuse to not formally debate. And formal debates, it's like being trapped in a cage. It's like being in the shark uh cage underwater. You can't go anywhere.
That's what we need. We need we need a place in a setting they cannot go anywhere.
Tick tock, it's not that.
>> He very clearly struggles uh with his salvation. You can't just like pick one verse.
>> He's not thinking, look, I'm not sure if God's going to let me end. This is an absolute certainty. In fact, the Bible says we can know. I brought this up earlier on. The Bible says, >> "I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life."
And so if you're like, "Well, I'm not sure. I I could sin tomorrow. I could end up in hell." And you don't know you have eternal life.
>> Uh well, poor Alex too here. Like this is the hard part about talking to someone like need Ryan Godnet or whatever his name is or anybody in the chat here today is that all of their suppositions on salvation, stereology, esquetology, it's all it's all lumped into their statements. So he just said something that has so many assumptions like going to hell.
Like even that as if that's established going to hell, heaven and hell. What does that mean from his view? Are they places right? What is divine justice? What is judgment? What are we talking about here? No, you know, hell is like a burning place and has like has like red walls and it's like torment and agony.
So now Alex has to navigate this statement without getting into the red herring. would be seen as a red herring.
What do we even mean by this?
>> If you look at 1 Corinthians 9, because I'll I wasn't prepared to discuss this topic. I did want to talk to you about PSA cuz that was the topic that you were talking about right before I came on uh came on here. But he talks about like disciplining his body and bringing it into subjection so that he will not be disqualified after preaching. Uh there are a bunch of things and when he talks to Titus >> qualified from salvation here but disqualified from ministry. If you have a look at this entire context here, he's saying like to the weak I became the weak that I might win the weak and become all things to all people that by all means possible I might save some.
And so he's talking about in his ministry he's making sure that his body he's not going astray to sin lequalified because >> snake >> if you do give over to sin then it can disqualify the effectiveness of your ministry quite a lot. So I just don't see anything in what Paul's saying where he's like I'm not sure where I'm going to go when I die.
>> So fine I'll I'll concede that point.
certainty of salvation.
>> I'll concede that that point is about his office. What do you have to say about in Titus where he talks about people were disqualified from salvation by their uh actions >> in Titus one >> in Titus one? What are you talking about?
>> Yeah, I don't have the it's Titus chapter 1. I don't have the exact verse citation off the top of my head, but here, let me pull it up.
>> They profess to know God, but they deny him by his works. Yeah.
>> Yeah. 16. Yeah. So, yeah. So, they they profess to know God. They profess to be a >> but Jim Bob the apostles were Calvinists. That's hilarious.
>> Or know God in some sense. But their actions deny him.
>> Yeah. So their actions disqualify them from knowing God.
>> Well, no. No. It's saying they profess professing to know God is different to actually truly knowing God.
>> That verse doesn't support your case either.
>> Well, okay. What is he supposed to say?
That they know God, but then they don't know God because of their works. Cuz in Hebrews 10, St. Paul does explicitly say that. It's saying here they profess to know God as people that profess to know God. Mormons profess to know God, right?
But that doesn't mean they actually truly know God. If they >> Oh, that's a dude that's a weak spot.
That's like such a If you can get needgod.net and company to say that Mormons make a claim. Yeah.
Coincidentally, uh your propositional brideless Christianity, your bachelor Christianity propositionally would include Mormons, right? because now you're making a claim of what it means to know God. That's a claim uh to the history of of Christianity, the church. How do you participate in God?
And and so forth. And you know, he doesn't have this. To know God is to literally just read the Bible. Well, then Joseph Smith knew God.
>> Deny the Trinity. They don't really know God, but they're professing to know him.
>> So, you don't think that uh your works disqualify you from salvation?
>> No. because I know that in Romans 8:1 it tells us that there is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus if Christ paid their sin.
>> So how do you uh uh bring that together with Hebrews I think it's I think it's chapter 10 again I don't have the citation off the top of my head because I'm doing this a bit off the cuff here that says that there are those that have tasted of the Holy Spirit and they have fallen away and that if you continue to sin uh intentionally or willfully that there is no sacrifice left for you.
>> Yeah. In Hebrews 10:26, what you're referring to there is referring to the sin of rejecting Jesus. Right? Because the he's making the contrast here between the animal sacrifice. You look at verse four of the chapter. It is impossible for the blood of bulls and ghosts to take away sins.
>> This is so stupid, too, because ultimately, you know, Alex is way more learned than me. So, he can get into like scriptural analysis and go back and forth and do this game. Um but for me like the the the starting position is so broken because um teaching someone about Christianity as a father, you know, I don't know if Ryan needed God.net has children or he gets enough interaction with children on Omegle.
Brutal. Um is it a work to teach people? Is it a work to be on your YouTube, right, and your Twitter and your what everything else you're doing, Ryan? Is that a work?
Are you correcting people? Is that a work? Do you need to do that or no? Is that you're not called to do that? Can you just stay home? Can you sit this one out? Can you raise your kids not Christian from your view? Not Christian children, right? I mean, it's such a there's such a fundamental underlying broken starting point.
The entire thing is a performative contradiction.
>> And look at verse 11 when he says, "Every priest stands daily at his service offering repeatedly the same sacrifices which can never take away sins. But when Christ had >> going to mount Mount Aos tomorrow, that's awesome. Uh, can you tell me your Christian name?" St. James. Uh maybe your families Nona James Nona St. James the Lesser. Um hold on a second. Uh Tamara and Holy crap. Shame on me.
Sorry, I went to bed at 3:30 last night.
Mike Bob, are you listening?
Um hold on, hold on.
Where's Zyla? Hold on a second.
Esther. Esther.
Esther.
I mean, it would have been cute if I had to ask my daughter, but Esther offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins. He sat down at the right hand of God.
>> I've started reading apostolic tradition by Hippolitis uh uh and against heresies by Aronyaeus. I'm a prot that has started to look at orthodoxy and there are more works to suggest that anyone knows of. Uh yeah, you should um this is a bit of a more dense read.
um uh volume one to start the emergence of the Christian the Catholic tradition.
It breaks it up into the ages. Um and a way easier read is Father Steven D.
Young, the religion of the apostles. This is this this is a real um this is like this type of read is like you can sit in like the the lazy river of church history and just kind of soak it in by reading it. Whereas some of the other things, I'm not saying you don't it doesn't require further uh reference investigation, but the first one I showed you by Pelican, um you you're going to stop like every couple of paragraphs and you're going to have to go to another um definitional source. You're going to have to do further like you it's like it's a pretty massive undertaking.
That's all. You know what I'm saying?
So he's the Hebrews are feeling tempted to go back to Judaism and reject Christ.
And he's saying, "Look, if you deliberately go ahead and do that, it's a sin, right? To go and deliberately reject Christ."
>> Also, >> first and foremost, that right, thank you for the the Zachary, thank you for the super chat.
100% above and beyond all other prescriptives of what you should do is this definitely >> and I get repetitive with with this but it's important to repeat the reason we say go to liturgy is because if you're learning about orthodoxy you're learning about the the lurggical life the life not just divine liturgy as like an isolated event, the life is liturggical.
So, anything you're learning about orthodoxy is going to be ultimately sifted through the lens of of liturgy, you know, and why wouldn't you, right?
If you really wanted to know about orthodoxy, you'd actually learn about orthodoxy through orthodoxy, not through non-orththodoxy.
Trying to close uh trying the closest 100 miles 20 miles away. Uh, I don't know if you have a family, Zachary. If you don't, you know, God willing, you will. If you do, that's awesome. I'm going to just say, I'm going to rip the band-aid off. Move.
Some people do do a different approach.
They're like, well, you know, maybe just talk to a priest. Maybe they come through. Maybe there's a mission. Maybe they can establish a mission. Maybe uh you can learn more on online. Maybe you can tune into a divine liturgy on YouTube. Move.
move.
Seriously, liturgy is worth moving.
That's how that's being a part of orthodoxy is it's not even close. It's worth moving.
>> There's no sacrifice left because >> Jay used to drive two hours each day.
Yeah. I have a couple of people in my parish who drive an hour and a half every time. Hour and a half. One way.
I've already he's made clear that the animal sacrifice cannot save you. And if you reject the once for all sacrifice of Christ, you got no hope. You got hell to come.
>> The problem unlike most Christians is I've read the Bible. Well, um reading the Bible doesn't make you Christian.
There's pe tons of people who read the Bible who aren't Christian. The question still stands is what is it to mean to be Christian? Reading the Bible doesn't make you Christian. So this says if we sin it willfully after we have received the knowledge of >> uh no sorry I said I isa is my daughter's name. Uh St. James the greater the greater St. James the lesser St. Nona St. Esther St. tomorrow.
>> The truth there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins. You're telling me that this doesn't mean if you sin willfully this means if you reject Jesus.
>> Which sin are we talking about? The sin of rejecting Jesus. That's a sin correct to reject Jesus.
>> Yes. But this is not specific language.
This is just if you sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of truth.
>> Read things in context. Have you read the entire chapter of Hebrews 10?
>> Of course. I've read it multiple times.
But >> I don't think that you can.
>> Have you ever done a sin willfully?
>> Uh yes, of course.
>> Right. So after coming to the knowledge of the truth, you've done a sin willfully.
>> Yes.
>> Taking your interpretation. Then man, there's no sacrifice for you. That means you must be going to hell.
>> Well, that's what we have the sacraments for for confession. And we have tangible means of remedying these.
>> There's no sacrifice. It's only for the lit sacrifice for you. If the sacrifice of Christ is null and void for you because you've sinned willfully after coming to Christ, then man, how you're interpreting this means that you've >> Yeah, exactly. Nitty Niti knows the Bible better than me. He's an atheist.
He knows the Bible from memory better than me.
>> Got no hope. You must be going to hell based on your interpretation of this verse.
>> Well, because you can't take one verse at a time. You know, Paul also teaches us that >> things in context.
>> Yes, of course. So if you can't take a verse from earlier in the chapter, you can't take a verse from earlier in the chapter to obfuscate a general term later in >> what a weak bunch of piss ass Christians. They won't even accept what their don't. Dude, stop. Can you just let them I want to see this.
Won't even accept their own Bible says word for word.
How do you sleep at night? Your God is watching. Yeah, that's not an argument though. Imagine, imagine you held that position and God's viewing your statement like that's not that's not logical.
Clearly, if you thought it was from God, it'd be it'd be logical. That's not even logical.
That's just incredul. That's just scoffing. That's just pearl clutching.
You think Christianity is pearl clutching? In the chapter, it very clearly says if you sin willfully, you can't restrict the term to what you want it to be. Earlier in the chapter, it's talking about sacrifices and uh If you sin willfully sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, then therefore what's going to come for you? What it means? There's no longer a sacrifice for your sins.
>> Yeah. And it's by virtue of your actions.
>> And a fury of fire that's going to consume the adversaries. That's what's coming your way based on how you're interpreting this verse.
>> By virtue of your actions. Yeah. That's what it says.
>> Yeah. Well, man, you're lost. And if you got if you've got no longer Jesus, he can't he's not going to help.
>> That's right. There's no sacrifice.
>> That's right. only the meanest um honestly from their paradigm it's about the meanest thing you can do is invite someone to to a divine liturgy >> might help you >> that's what the sacraments are for so we have a concrete means of remedying these >> sins that if the sacrifice of Jesus is null and void >> well because you keep interrupting me you're not letting me talk about the greater context cuz in >> yeah Satan could quote scripture too yeah exactly >> Romans Paul says that if we confess our sins then God is good and he forgives us >> now you're not going to take the context of Hebrews you're going to go to a different book >> of course you have to take the apostolic deposit as a I understand, but you notice you actually you said this was a general >> Yeah, that's a really good point. I don't think people understand the weight of what he just said to take the apostolic deposit as a whole is to take its tradition as Paul would refer to. It would it would take the wholeness and the whole participation and activity of the church itself, the entire thing. It's not the Bible. the these people really do believe and so you're less and less um surprised.
I know that's challenging to be less and less surprised with these types, but they really think the deposit is the Bible.
See what I'm saying? Exactly. They think the deposit is the Bible.
And you're like, did Christ give us the bride? Did he give us the church? Or did he give us the complete Bible? Which did he give us? Which did he give us? Did people convert to the Bible? Don King, did they? You guys skipped the entire step >> principle here, but now you're not actually taking it as a general principle and saying, well, actually, if you go to a sacrament, now you do have a sacrifice of sense.
>> That's a key thing actually. That's why the theology and the tradition is important because obviously if you thought Christianity existed from the time of Christ the apostles, the 70 disciples and everyone who followed throughout the ages including throughout the councils which you you guys all have to affirm to some extent.
Um the compilation of the New Testament and everything that follows afterwards, you actually you you would necessarily say, "Yeah, worship exist." And then you say, "Well, did did proper worship exist?" proper.
Is there a proper way to worship? Of course, you'd say, "Yeah, because there's improper ways of worship all throughout Christianity. Old Testament, New Testament, improper ways of worship."
Well, that necessitates an affirmative normative authority on church tradition and practice, not just the Bible. The Bible itself is not a practice.
You know how the gamatriotards think numbers are events. They look at they'll see an 11. They'll experience the 11 as an event.
Similarly, these Bible alone people, they experience the Bible itself as a practice itself that they're in practice. When they open a Bible to a random page when Taylor Welsh that dude yesterday opens a Bible does shake weight Bible random page. Oh, it got gave me the right answer. They think that's practice. That's the practice of Christianity. It's never been the practice of Christianity >> because you have to take the apostolic deposit as a whole >> so where does it does the Bible ever say that if you've lost the sacrifice of Jesus if you do a sacrament you then regain the sacrifice of Jesus? Yes.
>> See more more pearl clutching. No arguments. Just offense. I'm offended.
I'm offended. Bad mouthing people. Oh, it speaks volumes. That's This is Are you a woman? Are you a woman by chance?
I have this weird feeling that you're female.
You also can't deal with what's in your Bible. Does the Bible need interpretation? Because guess what?
Gnostics, Aryans, Unitarians, Mormons, they also think they know what's in the Bible, right?
You dumb dumb.
>> Paul says that if you can, you thumb head.
>> Jim Bob, use some street solar garam masala. Then you will experience a physical spiritual cleansing.
>> Oh, I know. I know all about it. every time I eat your your filthy food. I don't know why I keep doing it, Vene.
I got to say I'm I have a soft spot for curry.
And you know what I'm saying? I have a soft spot for curry.
I prefer the Himalayan tradition though to be more geographically precise than just general filthy poop fil India.
People like, "Oh, you like Indian food?"
Well, let's get more specific. If I see someone sticking a needle into his arm, of course, I'm going to be mean to save him. The Ortho bros uh do the same thing when pre-lass manifesting. Yeah, they don't understand. We're we're being loving actually.
Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Everybody, >> imagine every time you went to a sandwich shop that happened.
Now, coincidentally, that's what I just did is basically what Protestant churches do.
>> That's literally worship for Protestants. What I just did Seriously, I'm not even being hyperbolic. That's actually what it looks like. Bible alone quote has 10 letter letters in it. Oh, here comes Jamatria.
And in Jamatria, 10 represents perfection, divine order, and completeness. It signifies the transition from singledigit beginnings to multi-digit.
You've been you've been watching Marty misleads.
You've been watching Marty Mis Mislead's sermons in the yurts.
You've been watching Marty Le's yurt squirts. He is good to forgive you.
>> Paul doesn't say that.
>> Of course he does.
>> No. you first John 19. I'm not sure how much of the Bible you know, sir, but my encouragement is to ask yourself, does the Bible say that salvation >> Okay, so I got the citation wrong, but the Bible say >> Yeah, it's John. It's not Paul.
>> Yeah. Here, let's get to where it gets a little feisty here doctrine.
>> No, Jim Bob won't eat the tikka masala I made with my feet.
>> Face emoji.
>> Why would he? Why would he?
>> I reject that we are justified by faith alone. We are justified by faith.
Oh, this is where he gets sneaky. This is where he gets sneaky. I hear what you guys are saying, JB, but I'll uh all I'm thinking is about my work sponsored drag queen bingo in two weeks. Anyone want to go?
Poor Chaw. Prayers to Chaw and his work.
>> By what means are we justified then?
>> Uh sanctification. We're justified by faith. According to St. Peter, we're justified. We're saved by baptism.
>> We're justified by faith. And what does being justified?
>> Not alone. Not faith alone.
>> Look, you're trying to run from my arguments here. 1 Thessalonians 4 says that if you abandon sanctification, you abandon God. How How does that not uh How does that justify your easy belieism? Yes, it does. We can pull it up. Pull it up, Ryan.
>> Easy belieism is what really got him here. That's what got him here.
>> Holy cow.
>> That's what got him. Oh, that's what got him, guys. Easy belieism. That is the truth right there. We have had so many converts to orthodoxy in the past couple years due to influences like you and others. Praise God. Yes. Praise God. I also see that there are folks who live really far from an Orthodox church. I pray that among these converts, we also get more priests. Yeah, we need we definitely need more priests.
Definitely.
And for the time being, for anyone who's like, well, I just can't make it work.
You gota you gotta move.
You gotta move. It's like moving, you know, like did you move to be a part of the true church? Is that a good enough reason? You know what I mean? Yeah, it is. It's actually good enough reason.
Pull it up. Now, it's easier for me to say because you know, my first church was literally 3 minutes away from me.
Like like not even joking. Like like a one like a maybe a one minute drive.
Ryan, it says that >> you're not actually complying. You notice how you said I'm going to comply with the view rules here, but you're not really doing that.
>> Neither are you because you interrupted me as well, Ryan.
>> Yeah, Alex, looks like you're not actually complying with the rules. I would encourage you, man, to read through Romans. This is what helped me, Alex, come to know the truth.
>> This is what held me back.
>> I really want you to come to knowledge of the truth.
>> Oh, are you working right now, Ryan? Are you doing a work by teaching quote teaching Alex? He muted me, guys.
>> You realize good deed you could do.
>> That's a work could ever make you right before God. Doesn't matter how many times you pray, get baptized, do to others, muted, it's not going to make you peace, have peace with God. Once you see, I should be in hell for my sins, but Christ died for me while I was still sinning. Christ died for me. Once you put your trust in him, you'll see this is you'll have peace with God. Cease fire which you think you may have, Alex, until you do your next sin. But actually, true peace, shalom with God.
Don't you want to have peace with God, Alex?
>> Of course I do. But easy. Don't you want peace with God? Oh, this guy's the worst, dude.
Guy's the worst.
Don't you want peace with God, Alex? I'm going to mute you. Don't you want peace with God?
>> Leaveism is >> I guess you don't want peace with God then. I guess you hate black people.
>> It's not the way, which is what you are teaching. Why are you interrupting me?
>> Justified by faith.
>> He muted me again. He muted me again.
>> Actually, instead of dealing with the text, you basically >> Yeah, faith isn't work. Unless you unless you held it was like accidental.
Like you just didn't have any like by the way faith faith is meaningless without an action. Think about in every possible way you look at the word faith.
What what could you possibly point to when you when you say I abide by faith?
What are you pointing to other than the actions that follow that are indicative of the thing you're putting faith into?
Crossing a bridge.
faith alone. Do you cross the bridge with faith alone?
Does Ryan need God d uh before he goes on a bridge? Does he literally just go across the bridge in his head?
Did you cross the bridge physically? Did you act in the world through matter?
>> No, we don't need that. I just did it in my head.
>> Easy belief by faith. Sorry. I hope um Alex, >> you don't want puppies to live, Alex. I want I really want you to be close with God and save the puppies. He muted me again. This >> guy's the worst man.
>> I mean, if you were Look, if you were Australian, Melo, how do you dude? How the faith alone crowd required the non-salvific works of the apostles to have salvation? Yeah, they needed the the work of of the the compilation of the New Testament to even refer and know about Christ.
That's what that's what how how prideful they truly are. It's it's so sad actually. It's sad.
It's sad.
They're churchless.
>> They have no body. says, "Since therefore we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by and from the wrath of God." So if this is true, being justified by his blood, this is even more true, right?
It's definitely going to happen. He said, "So under your view, you could be justified, but then oh, you do a sin, you die in that state of sin, hell, >> that undermines what the passage is saying here." So Alex, I do pray that God does bring you to to himself. But >> is prayer a work? Oh, you pray to God.
Why would you need to do that? Is that is what is that? What is prayer? What are we talking about? What is worship?
What is any of this stuff, dude? It's crazy.
>> The other day when you reviewed Relan's response to Young Dawn, I wasn't paying as much attention to that renter wigger as may have been called for. I listened again and now I'm livid. This guy open mouth laughed at the material and spiritual destruction of a man's life because he thought it was an own against Jay and the other bros.
>> Bruce has outed himself as a despicable picnic and he should be ashamed.
>> He should beast.
>> That's right. I saw that. It's disgusting. The more you view it, the more disgusting it gets. That's for sure.
>> Abandon trust in what your church is telling you and put trust in what Christ says in his word and what the scriptures say, the apostolic deposit, which is the word of God. Thanks for coming up, man.
God bless you.
>> Unbelievable.
>> Let's pray for him. Heavenly Father, >> can I get and let's pray for him.
Another activ. Dude, these people are such scoundrels.
You know what? They He ends it all like he's doing some pious work. Ironically, he's doing a work. Oh, let's pray for him. Let's mute him. Kick him out of here. Out of here. I can't feel his questions. Oh, let's pray for him now.
>> Dude, he kicked me.
is my face.
>> He kicked me, >> dude. Let me pull up First Thessalonians 4.
>> Terrible. Terrible. It Yeah, it's so condescending. Oh, we'll pray for him now.
>> He kicked me.
He didn't even let me get the last word.
He accused me of breaking his rules and then he broke his own rules.
He kicked me.
Yeah, exactly. Let's do a work for them.
Yeah. I It's just so insane. Now, these people aren't serious, but at the same time, they're out here doing work.
Coincidentally, they're out here. They show up. They, you know, Ryan goes after young kids, tries to influence them with his rhetoric. He does act action. And this is the thing. Um this is often often a critique against orthodoxy is that you know the image you have in your head of evangelism right from an orthodox position. The image you have in your head of evangelism is loud megaphones approaching people on on on the street you know whatever it is you're doing. We have an image in our head of that and that doesn't exist. That's not a thing in orthodoxy. It's never been part of the tradition. People think that's a weakness. No, that's actually a strength because the holy tradition of orthodoxy isn't a modern uh technology. It's not a it's, you know, the application of it has always been lurggical that you're speaking on deaf ears if you do it that way anyway. Why? Because Christianity, orthodoxy is a life. It's a life. That's why people say um you know that the ultimately people are going to look at your life like we look at the saints and uh from a Christian position we're called to be saints.
That's our task to be saints. That's our that's our ultimate goal.
So, it's going to be the life like St. Sarah said, uh, you know, uh, uh, being in a spirit of peace, I'm mangling it a little bit, will convert, uh, thousands. There's truth to that, but it it's not a weakness against orthodoxy, the fact that we don't have megaphone preachers and people standing on barrels screaming at people about fire and brimstone. It's not a negative against orthodoxy that we don't have orthodox style Starbucks events.
You know what I mean? We don't have concerts in the park.
That's not a that's not a weakness. We don't convert we don't convert Christianity to the world. We convert the world to Christianity.
That's not a weak position.
It's a stronger position. And it means that the teachings throughout the ages, it's irrelevant what's going on in the world. You don't you don't pattern orthodoxy uh and and twist it and turn it and make it elastic to form itself inside the the ingot slot of modernity. It's the opposite. That's why we baptize cultures. That's why we baptize physical spaces. That's why we consecrate. We don't change to it. It changes to orthodoxy.
Everything else heterodoxy has to do the opposite. It has to do the complete inverse.
So, you know, when you hear this criticism, you can point to that. You go, "Yeah, that's a good thing. That's a good thing we don't conform to the world.
I have traveled a and have a crazy schedule. So, enrolled on St. George Orthodox online uh forward work and my lo local uh father Pete at St. Basil's don't let distance or time stop you.
Yeah, a testament to distance and time.
You just got to do what you can do and be unreasonable. That's my recommendation. Be unreasonable in your pursuit of orthodoxy. Why? You have no idea when you're going to die.
That's why what is church? Question. Ecclesia is a massive difference between what Jesus actually said and what what's the Greeks say the props go off of the English. Uh well no here's the thing. I'm going to I don't let I don't grant any of someone who's not orthodox. I don't grant them what Jesus said.
You don't have the you don't have the privileged position in even affirming knowledge or any uh reasonable faith and confidence in what Jesus or the apostles said or anything that was said.
That's affirming the thing that you deny which is the church.
You don't just get that for free. You don't get to download that under the free information act or something. The theological uh freedom of information act. People I talk to about orthodoxy are relieved when I tell them we think street corner evangelism is insane. Oh, it is insane.
It'll move people to atheism or it'll move people closer to emotive Christianity, which is not Christianity.
Where do I get that feeling again?
Is being mean a work? Is it relevant for you to believe in a worldview alone?
What do you mean being mean? I don't The question being mean, I don't know what you mean by being mean.
Um, is it a work? Every action we do is is a work. Whether that action that action is aligned with um a Christian practice is a different question.
So yeah, any action is a is a is a type of work. But I don't understand what your question is really about. Vene, >> holy cow.
>> Thank you Vene.
>> There's rich people in India that's for sure. I don't know what Vene's up to.
She probably owns a a match a matchstick manufacturing plant.
The harassment thing they do is exactly it was never meant to be screamed out loud in the streets like Crazy Man Worship said quietly. Um yeah, well it's just never a thing. like you you couldn't go to um you wouldn't be in the year 300 and uh there's a type of a individual ley street preacher even to preach required authority which came up in that pseudo really not really a debate with Andrew and that meatthead guy insufferable insufferable um the difference between like authority and permission and um whether or not anyone has the authority to teach Christianity, that's been a structure in place since Christ started his church.
Otherwise, you'd have to take an approach almost like an extended approach like the the the men who the men were was irrelevant.
God adopted r seemingly random people like it wouldn't matter, right? you know, oh, the apostles, we'll just call them that. Has nothing to do with them as people or anything like that. They're just bodies that I'm going to be using as a mechanism like like Christ has tentacles and he's doing like you know he's on the stage doing the plate spinning and he's utilizing apostles and men but it has nothing to do with them and their will and who they are and how uh and their faith and their and their work and their walk has nothing to do with that he's just kind of he's just plucking some NPCs out of thin air. It's all good.
Don't worry about it.
>> We are rich here because we scam. I mean, extend your car's warranty. Do not redeem that gift card.
>> Do not redeem.
Do not redeem.
I don't deny the church. Uh, from memory, DJ deliverance, I thought you were not Orthodox and you were still holding to some sort of like bachelor Christianity. Maybe I got that wrong from memory.
Pastor Mike needs to debate. That's right. That's right. I should probably start doing some callins.
And the music is still there. The call-in music is still there. And everyone's like, "What is what is that music, Pastor Mike?" Like, I don't know what music you're talking about.
I don't know what you're saying.
I left a comment on one of Andrew Wilson's lives and mentioned R in RC I mentioned in RC Roman Catholicism and mentioned in oh that you're in Roman Catholicism trying to learn orthodoxy was mocked by a person. Don't worry about that. You're not going to learn orthodoxy from Andrew Wilson's chat uh from from my chat for that matter. You might sift some things, but ultimately, Southern Bell, go to divine liturgy.
Go right to the church. Write to the church.
That's the best thing you can do. And you'll thank me. You'll be like, "Oh, this is so much better than a a chat room with a bunch of people.
Just go to go go go to go to church.
Go experience a divine liturgy. Stay, you know, uh witness fellowship. Talk to the talk to your pri talk to the priest. It's the best thing you can do. You'll get you'll you'll get so much more from the experience than trying to like sift out propositions from a chat room or from any of us, you know.
And check out Dyer the mean pants himself. Yeah.
Yeah. Go right to the source of the mean pants. Right on the meer. Right on the meer. You're welcome. Just don't go to uh Ethiopian Oriental.
It's the best. It's the best.
It's the best ever.
Everything else is meaningless. That's what's so crazy. That's why this topic of a bachelor church, bachelor apologetics, is so crucial. They know.
These people know it's a weakness. They know. That's why they're all That's why everyone's like getting all, you know, when you step on the ground and the ants spread and they go crazy. They're like, "What's happening?" That's what's happening now with online Protestant.
Let's just face it, everything heterodox.
Everything heterodox. They're the ants.
Orthodoxy stomps down and they all they all scatter and and they lose it.
It's good. That's a good thing. It's a good thing to shake them out of their comfort zone.
Alchemist. The proud black woman is back.
Lakewood Ministries. That's the other place you can go. You know, that's right.
That's right. Southern Bell. Look. Look.
Let me just tell you something here.
Let me just tell you something here.
Southern bell, I I take it you're a woman and I hope you're a biological woman because I don't know what these people are doing out here.
I couldn't imagine you try to meet up with someone in your church, maybe go for a date, and they look all pretty on the outside, and you realize they actually have a penis.
That is the deception of the devil.
Have I been fooled in the past? Maybe a little bit.
But I was given the discernment right there on the spot to leave that table with that person.
And thank God I didn't go through with it.
That's right.
That's right.
Anyway, there are people out there asking, "Where do I go to church? Where do I go to church, Nancy?
Pastor Mike Fagart, where do I go to church?"
And I said, "Well, first and foremost, calm down. Church is not a geographic location. It is not a building, okay?
It is a place. It is a mindset.
It is the location is spiritual in your heart, right, Nancy? Just like being thin.
It's not an actual thing.
So, Southern Bell, I just hope that God gives you the guidance to be led to his one and only mind church inside your head.
In many ways, you already arrived.
You're always there. You never left.
You're just remembering that you're in and you always were in his charge. Right, Nancy?
Get that donut out of your mouth.
That's right.
That's right. Take my money. That is right.
For $29.99, we can assure you a reminder system. This is what me and Nancy came up with this last weekend.
It's a new app funded wholly by the congregation, the parishioners here at Lakewood Ministries and some peripheral churches that we're not really officially a part of. And we funded something and it's called a salvific reminder.
Once an hour, once every 30 minutes, once a day if you want it customized, you get a notification that you're saved.
I mean, it is sad that any of you out there need a reminder that your salvation cannot be taken from you.
There is not an action, a thought, or a deed that can act as a gypsy at a farmers market and pickpocket your wallet. A wallet full of salvation.
Your wallet's always filled, and so is mine.
Hallelujah, Nancy.
That's right.
That's right, Nancy. I learned that from Nancy.
When Nancy talks in tongues, I tell you what. I tell you what, it gets me going.
I know that's disgusting.
I knew it. That's right.
Galigity.
Galigity.
So if you want to support this here ministry, you want to support these lights turning different colors eventually, you want to support the the music managerial system that we have here.
Top of the line. Top of the line. We got a drummer coming in next week.
Soloing for Christ.
That's right.
Kung Fu Joe says, "For $5, look, anything helps. I grew up Methodist.
Please create the guitar preacher for your boy." And that we will do.
We will do.
Don't be listening to that Jay Dyer leading you astray.
It's terrifying. Taint nothing says that any moment Pastor Mike could take a hold of Jim Bob. That's right. He's like the Hulk to Jim Bob's Bruce Banner. Ain't that the truth? Ain't that the truth?
Thank you, Holy Bible, for the propositional statements of Pastor Mike at Lakewood Ministry. He is mighty. He is mighty.
The five solos. Yeah, that's right.
That's right. That's That's right.
Gravity blast for God.
That's right, Alchemist.
Ramen. That's right, Ramen.
That's right. I don't know how he knew it. I don't know how this man knew it. I don't know how he reached into my mind and realized that third quarter product development for ramen noodles are apostrophe. Amen.
Noodles will be on shelves in Lakewood Ministry locations.
Still 50 cents. You can't beat Top Ramen. That's right. I don't know how he knew it.
Ramen. That's right. Ramen, Daddy.
And that Why did we Why did Nancy think it was a good idea to release our apostrophe? Amen. To to you guys. Well, look at it. What is ramen? It's it's hardened noodle like our hardened hearts.
And the living water is the boiling pot that softens our hearts the way ramen noodles are softened. Can I get a ramen?
Pratt ramen. That's right.
That's right. I don't know if you guys know this, but we recently hired a marketing genius who goes by Tony.
Give a shout out to Tony right here in the chat, showcasing his glorious mind.
That's right. So, we ask you, we ask you to guide people in their purchases of massive cases of pro ramen.
And we ask you that their water works and that their stove works and that you God heat up their water and boil their hardened noodle hearts and soften them.
Even if it's alante, even if it's alante.
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That's right. I'm touching the That's right. That's right.
All of you listening from all the different nations that you exist in, I'm reaching out and touching you right now. Me and Hello listeners fingertips are touching right now. That's right.
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Heal my girds.
That's right.
That's right. Okay. Okay. Okay.
I have to turn down my Bluetooth soundbar when Lakewood Ministry comes on. My neighbors getting secondhand foot fruit by the foot scrollups. That's right.
We have 93 flavor. We have seven. We have 66 flavors.
We got 66 books. We got 66 flavors.
Fruit scrollups.
No, get me started on how many flavors of prop ramen we got. That's right.
No galigity. That's right. I like to bag it up. Shakabikiuku. That's right. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.
That's right.
Special education for $5. who is a long li long longtime member of Lakewood Ministries right here says, "Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life." Jesus said this to the crowd before last supper. That's right.
That's right.
That's correct. So, we're wondering why are you why are you not orthodox then, my friend?
Shout out to Likio.
Oh, I got a note.
David, Patrick, Harry will be here in one hour.
>> So, we need to sort out. Looks like I'm not going to reach my goal today. That's okay.
That's okay.
That's right.
Shout out to Leikyoku. So, I gota Let me Let me do a last uh run here. I know we're probably not going to meet it unless someone comes in with a hot wallet right now, but I got to close my stream out.
Started late. Got to end early. Going to meet up with David Patrick Harry and all his muscles. That's right.
I like to be around muscles.
So, uh, without further ado, let me just take, you know, five minutes or less to get an aggressive funding wave of funding toward, uh, Lakewood Ministries adjacent to Dortlandia.
That's right. That's right. He's coming over.
That's right. That's okay.
It's all muscles.
He used to be. He used to be. There we go. There we go. Let's get Let's get a wave of ministry uh ministry waves of streams. Solo feed day reminds me of those union carpenters yelling at me to take a break before I ruin it for everyone else. They don't want to do any work. Yeah. No work. Exactly. They're government workers.
Ramen apostrophe. A man, thank you so much. Fiverr's coming in for the sake of handling fun. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. That's right. Things just got weird. That's right.
I did debate RZ. Yeah. Ridiculous.
Ridiculous.
Wesoff. Wesoff doesn't actually really debate actually. And I'm not up to par to debate. Wesoff.
How do you manage to get Neil Patrick Harris on? Pastor Mike has some of that business church money. That's right.
Neil Patrick Harris, who is a active homosexual, plays a huge part in our ministry, by the way. So, do not judge him like you don't have a stick in your own eye. He just has a different kind in his eye.
Rob Zombie also. Yeah, that's right. Rob Zombie also an extended minister of our church.
Look, we have all shapes and sizes here.
Okay. My elbow hurts, pastor. Please pray. That's I will. I will.
That's funny you should say that. We actually sell a cooler of ice Lakewood Ministry for people who are sore after worship.
You got worship elbow. Some people have tennis elbow pe some people have worship elbow. Takes a lot. Pastor, I need to be delivered from a demon of baldness. I seen that cleave to in antiquity. I've seen you suffering through it. And honestly, the demon of baldness is a demon of pride.
But we are working here at Lakewood Ministries, an extended service in conjunction with a small biotech company that does pills, set of pills and a set of injections that will actually boost the strength of your hair follicles. Cleave.
So don't lose hope.
Don't lose hope.
Pastor Mike, how many of your children are solos scriptor? They are Unitarian Bible loan believers. Uh, three out of the three out of the 11 that we have.
Good question. But you know what?
They're in line. They're on the road.
They're on a different road, but they're facing the same mountain. I rebuke you, MALE PATTERN BALDNESS. YOU BALD DEMONIC DEMON.
for my pre-order of meatball sub scroll-ups. That's right. Spaghetti and meatball scrub scroll-ups. That's right.
That's right.
Wait until you see our our shrimp scampy.
Do the people in the crowd have eternal life? That's right.
That's right.
Pastor Mike cured my poison ivy. Praise Jibus ramen.
Soften your noodles.
Look, soften your noodle hearts.
That's right.
We're doing pretty good. I don't know if we're going to meet the goal in another five minutes, but I hope we could get close cuz I got to meet up with the muscle man himself.
And we got to make our home presentable to him.
That's right.
That's right.
Holy cow.
>> Serbs hate Americans in general due to 1999 bombing campaign and occupation of Kosovo and Mitohijijah. But God is now converting you to orthodoxy. And we couldn't imagine a better revenge on you. Glory to God.
>> I know. Joy seeing you take baby steps in orthodoxy. You're not even in priests drive expensive cars face. Smile. God bless you, brothers and sisters. Thank you. I know that's I could affirm that.
Um someone who is partially uh you know blamed for my conversion orthodoxy is a Serbian, the posh redneck. And he still holds a type of disdain for America.
This month is almost finished. If you haven't paid your j tax, your jordage.
Your jortage. Yeah, that's funny. You need to pay up. That's right. We'll deport you. Pastor Mike, is it okay to use tongue when kissing? Well, that's right. That's actually funny. You should say that our ministry is going to be uh sponsoring 33 lucky participants to go to the wall for the kissy kiss. That's right. That's right.
We even sell a coffee cup when you're done drinking your coffee. At the bottom there's a giant blue star of Refam. I mean a star of David.
Tell DPH I said we will. We will. That's right.
That's right.
Slowly climbing.
Let's see if we can reach out into those deep pockets.
Deep pock deep pocket chopra.
I don't know if we'll reach the goal, but we're going to try.
We're going to try.
For all of you big red donors out there who support Israel and also support Lakewood Ministries, now would be the time to hit your digital donation.
That's right.
Add a giant arcade cloth for tithing.
That's funny.
That's funny.
It's funny you should say that. For our more obese people in our location in Georgia, we actually have a a Christ the we call it the Christian claw. It's a type of crane that lifts up the fatties and drops them into the water and peels them right back out so that everybody, no matter your body, shape or form, you too can be baptized into the water.
That's right. Get yourself an Artza box.
That's right.
Okay.
Okay.
All right. Any last donations? Make them now. We got to close up the service today.
We got to help I got to help get this house in order turbo style before uh we're completely uh embarrassed and that our guests are completely horrified cuz we know that if you have three kids there's all sorts of things on the walls. Can I get a ramen?
Lock those church doors right now. We need 10,000 for Jesus. That's right.
That's right.
We want you to lose your monetary inhibitions right now.
That's okay. That's okay. We do what we can. How's my schismatic sister, Carol?
We are praying for her. Carol, she is on her way. She's on a way. Let's say she is in a certain way.
You ran out of fruit scrolls. Can I get more? That's right.
>> I pay my curry poop emoji.
>> You're disgusting.
All right, I got to wrap it up now.
Well, with that said, everybody, I really appreciate it. I hope you got some value today. If you listen to this afterwards, uh, didn't catch a live stream, but you want a way to donate to the channel, use Bob Chats, use memberships, use super stickers in the chat, go to the website madebyjimbob.com, get yourself some savage memes books, if you will. Um, you can grab those at at the website. Um, I don't know. Uh, I'll stream tomorrow for sure. Um, still planning the uh webc webcisms webcisms with pastor uh Mike Fagart and uh we will we'll keep this going tomorrow. But as for now, I got to leave now. I got a guest coming over and uh I got to uh get ready and sort everything out. That's right. That's good. That's That's correct. So, let me get you moving over to some place right now real quick. That's right. You can donate right directly to the uh the channel that way.
All right, let's see who's live here.
J.
Easy peasy.
Um, I think that's it. You also, yeah, you can also get a custom avatar.
There's many ways you could support this channel, especially if you're watching afterwards. You know, sometimes you don't get to uh support in the way that you you could because you watch it after. So, appreciate that. I think that's it.
Um, I'll go have a fun time. Make sure to get some uh pictures of me next to uh David Patrick Harry mogging my shoulders and arms.
And um YouTube does Yeah. Yeah. Use Bob chats cuz uh YouTube takes 30%.
So with that said, I think that's it for me uh and you uh God bless you all. I will uh see you next time. Okay, God bless.
Adios.
Jimmy and I don't really care no more what he got to say. It's irrelevant.
Once upon a time could have been a part of a line. Now he's getting checks from the government. I don't care where your idol stands. I kick his hands from culture with the oven.
I know what you nothing for the fun of me. I don't care what you saying on some new I don't care if you thinking what I'm doing. I don't care what you think about my music. I don't care.
You're not the reason I do this. Always up. Always up. Always going. I don't care if I die without you knowing. tried to catch your eye for a stint until I realized what that meant. Uh I don't really care what you got to say. It's irrelevant.
Once upon a time now he's getting checks from the government. I don't care where your idol stands protecting his hands from children with the other. It's another thing you got. I know what you thought.
Nothing here was done for the fun. I don't care what you some new I don't care if you're digging what I'm doing. I don't care what you think about my music. I don't care. You're not the reason I do this. Always up, always up, always going. I don't care if I go without you knowing. Tried to catch your eye for a stint until I realized what that meant. Uh-uh.
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