In criminal cases involving individuals with severe mental health conditions like borderline personality disorder, the key legal question is whether the perpetrator had the intent to cause harm or death, rather than whether they understood the consequences of their actions. The McKenzie Shirilla case demonstrates that while reckless behavior may be evident, establishing criminal intent requires examining whether the individual foresaw and intended the harmful outcome, which can be complicated by mental health conditions that impair judgment and reality testing.
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All right, everybody. Welcome or welcome back to watch the obsession true crime.
And it is Friday night. Happy Friday night. I hope you guys had a great week.
Did you all have a good week? Let us know in chat how was your week? Tell us something good that happened this week.
It's always good to be grateful, to intentionally be grateful. I really believe this. It just, you know, it sets a good frame of mind for yourself. And it also has an impact on your brain that causes you to seek out more things that you're grateful for. Like what an awesome thing, right? Like when you're addicted to something, you're going to seek out more of that addictive thing.
There's also a different biological component to that, but let's just say it's something similar. So, I'm so happy you guys are here tonight. We're going to be talking about the well now infamous McKenzie Sharilla Case McKenzie Sharilla the 17-year-old girl who caused the crash that took the lives of her boyfriend Dominic Russo and his friend that's what I call him these days Davian Flanigan and of course their families are completely devastated. In the middle of May, the Netflix documentary The Crash came out. And as you probably know, it has caused quite a stir. But before we go any further, let's just hear a little bit from McKenzie girl herself.
Change the view.
If any of you think that that party situation is my fault, you can go [ __ ] yourself and leave my story right now.
Yeah. Because we let all you underage little [ __ ] inside our beautiful home just to do illegal things. And you want to blame us? Aren't you all the ones that ran out of the house and left and shook her while we called the police and got her there? Was she Yeah. Please go [ __ ] yourself and kill yourself, [ __ ] >> Yeah. Wow. Right. So, that was Miss McKenzie herself. Um, and you know, that video that she posted to Tik Tok or Snap, I'm not sure what, is not really a unique video. her attitude or the cursing or the condescending mean tone towards other people. You know, the situation that she's referencing that makes you go, "What is she talking about? It's clearly not something good, but what the hell is this girl talking about?" So, tonight we're going to talk about a couple different things. The main question, and I posed this as a question in the community poll, so please do answer it. And oh, by the way, welcome to everybody who's here. If you could please hit like, that would be awesome. Damn, we are live in the live chat tonight. 16 people. What's going on? Where is everybody? Everybody like and share.
Um the last live stream we did last week got a ton of views. Um but that's okay.
I'm just happy you guys are here. So, welcome and I hope you all had a great week. So, we're I'm going to open up panel later. CFU is going to come up and we're going to have a discussion about the issue of of justice in this case.
The question is a big question I want to pose tonight is while most people believe that McKenzie caused a crash and needs to be held accountable legally and in every way possible was murder the appropriate charge. Now, I have been back and forth and teetering on the fence and falling one way and then the other. And I finally believe I have reached my my conclusion given, you know, my moral compass and my understanding of what has happened in this case. And we want to hear from you.
But when we're considering the question, was murder the appropriate charge in this case? Should McKenzie Sharilla have been charged and she was ultimately convicted with two charges of murder or should perhaps have been something like vehic um aggravated vehicular manslaughter or vehicular manslaughter or something along those lines that does not include intention. the murder charges she was convicted of in inherently assumes understands that she intended to kill Dominic and DaVon when she drove that car into the wall. And you know, the obvious answer, you know, first was like, well, obviously she did. She drove it into a [ __ ] brick wall going 100 miles an hour. Excuse my French. Didn't mean to say that. Um, but then when you consider a lot of things about McKenzie and her past, it becomes very nuanced and much more complex than just that.
So, when we look at the social media that McKenzie herself posted and the other information that's been available to the public as this case has just caught on fire and everybody is talking about it, here's a few things I bet that we all can agree that can be safely assumed about McKenzie. She's reckless.
She's volatile. She fails to accept accountability and [ __ ] lies. Man, does she lie. She lies a whole lot. Hey Kev, how are you doing? Are you at work?
Nice. And hey, John Mcmith, nice to see you. Truth Exposed, welcome. Nice to see you. And Julie, nice to see you as well.
Welcome. Hey, Shay girl. How's it going, my friend? Hope you're having a great day. I was thinking about you just a little while ago. Hey, incredulous me.
Welcome. McCredulous Me says, "My goodness, if you were my child, I'd be absolutely horrified." Damn, Skippy. I would too. We agree on that for sure.
Hey, our girl Honey Bun, our head moderator, has been a member for 39 months. Damn, girl. She says, "I'm thankful for self-evaluation and the choice to make better choices and the guts to see see through it." I love that, honey bun. Thank you so much for sharing that with us. For those of you who just came in, I open this up just telling everybody to share something they're grateful for that happened this week. Something good that happened this week. Um, yeah. And if I hope I didn't miss anyone. Hey, Hollister D. Oh, Hollister denim dress. I called you house your dreams earlier, but welcome. It's great to see you. I'm so glad that you guys are all here and I hope I didn't miss anyone. If I did, please do know it definitely was not intentional and I'm just stoked that you're here. All right, so as we're looking at Ken McKenzie's past behavior and considering ultimately the question, was murder the appropriate charge when the state the prosecution was charging this case? Again, we need to know some things about McKenzie's history, not just what happened that night. Since the court did find her guilty of all charges, including murder charges that included the understanding that McKenzie intentionally took the lives of David and Dominic. And by the way, God rest their souls. And I I really hope that their families find peace. Hey John Mcmith, thank you. It's a horrible thing they went through and we are team Dominic and Dave and their families all the way 100%.
So, I want to play you an excerpt of a video that I posted sometime this week, and it just shows McKenzie's video post to Tik Tok that demonstrate her driving recklessly. She herself is driving, recording herself, paying no mind to the road around her, often expressing her volatile and extreme temperament, and then just a few other things.
Let's see. Oh, Streamyard. Streamyard, you love me. Dang, this always happens.
Streamyard doesn't like Streamyard has been a little [ __ ] about me putting videos into StreamYard to play them. So, I'm just going to have to pull it from um uh YouTube. So, when I'm doing that, let's just remember what a peach McKenzie is.
If any of you think that that party situation is my fault, you can go [ __ ] yourself and leave my story right now.
Yeah. Because we let all you underage little [ __ ] inside our beautiful home just to do illegal things. And you want to blame us? Aren't you all the ones that ran out of the house and left and shook her while we called the police and got her there was she?
>> Yeah. Please go [ __ ] yourself and kill yourself, [ __ ] >> Damn. I mean, what that's I don't know.
So, for those of you who don't know, I'm a behavioral therapist and I work with young adults and mostly adolescents and I work with the most troubled, you know, um, adolescence that exhibit really troubled sort of what people perceive as messed up behavior all the time. And like the she's just an extreme in in all ways. The way she talks, the way she presents herself, the way she's just so nasty. that she is extreme even among a sample group of troubled teens who have known behavioral issues because those are the people that I work with exclusively and have for a while now.
Okay, so I'm going to bring the next thing into the stream here.
Thank you Streamyard again for being amazing.
Hey Deadline Crime, welcome. Oh, for those of you who don't know, I have my phone with me. My car's in the shop. I left it at work. Um, I owe a bunch of people text messages and whatnot. So, it's not going to happen till tomorrow or Monday. It's to be seen.
McKenzie Sharilla.
>> Yeah, this is really orange and black.
I'm like the prettiest person here.
Like, I feel bad even saying that, but like >> the driver of the car that crashed into a brick wall at 100 miles an hour that took the lives of Domin guys. Dang. This is the wrong video. Hold up.
Let's see. Let me pull it off my page here. Which Oh, Mackenzie's control.
That's it. Okay.
>> Arguments between M.
I'm not even cool. I'm just one of those girls that can do a lot of drugs and not die.
First and foremost, rest in peace, Dom Russo and Davian Flanigan, and we pray that your families find peace. In this video, we are going to be taking a look at McKenzie Sharilla's own videos that she had posted online to Insta or Snap of her reckless driving allin-one. In this video, we'll also be listening to some video excerpts of friends of McKenzie Sharilla talking about her driving habits and how they felt about getting in the car with her. All of this information is really important as we continue to carry on this conversation that was reignited with vigor after the crash on Netflix came out in miday. And although people are talking about a number of aspects surrounding this case, it seems to me that the biggest question out there is this. Did McKenzie Sharilla really intend to murder the passengers of her vehicle, Dominic Russo and Dave Flanigan, or did she just behave totally recklessly and the horrific tragedy that happened was really not intended? But I don't know if we can really call it an accident because it seems to me at least and let me know your opinion that her acceleration to that excessive speed driving down a road that was by no means ever meant for a vehicle to travel at the speed she was traveling at. There's no doubt in my mind at this point that that acceleration driving at that speed was intentional on her part. So for me, the question that still lingers is, did she have an understanding of the consequences of her actions in that moment? That's the big question. And in the state in which she was charged, being aware of the consequences of her actions in that moment amounts to murder. And this question that I still have as a question that is not fully answered in my mind at least.
Okay. So, in that video, I now talk about we're going to be discussing this issue on Friday night during a live stream, and we're here, so I'm just going to move forward a little bit.
Okay.
Well, Burling House hosted the final gathering at his home that h was just before the crash. It was the police that McKenzie, Dom, and Davien left just before the fatal accident. Listen to what he has to say about McKenzie's driving.
>> Why wouldn't you drive with her?
>> I'm sorry.
>> Why would you ever be a passenger with her? Were you in fear?
>> I've never been a passenger.
>> Yeah, but why wouldn't you have gotten in the car with her? Were you afraid?
>> Yeah. I I would just say not stupid.
Just not going to go in to a situation I wouldn't want.
>> Do you know anybody who's ever been a passenger with her who's like, "Oh gosh, no." Um, >> Paul, can you believe I was I just pitched a ride.
>> Yes, I have. Yeah, I saw death right in front.
>> Yeah, Rosie was like, "Don't go in the car with Kenzie." Like, that's not a good driver.
>> I would just like to note that somehow Rosie Graham failed to mention that in the Netflix documentary. Or I don't know, maybe she did mention it and they edited out, but uh I think if she told them that, that would have been an important thing to put in the documentary. What do you think?
>> I just would always I always knew she would get in fights like her neighbor or she got in her fight with her neighbor about zooming past the stop sign. Um one time at the carnival she was going to drive me home, but I was like, "No, >> sorry. It's okay."
>> I just said, "No, I'm good."
>> So Paul says, "Well, I I just always knew she would get in fights." Now, that's very important because according to the judge's findings in this case, part of her decision in determining Mackenzie Sharilla was in fact guilty on both murder charges was her belief, the judge's belief that the tragedy that occurred in those early morning hours of July 31st, 2022 was prompted by an argument between Dominic and McKenzie.
The following excerpt of Judge Russo's decision is in is in reference to the arguments between McKenzie and Dominic and also specifically an incident happened two weeks before the crash during which a witness heard McKenzie saying to Dominic, "Dominic, I swear I'm going to crash this [ __ ] car. I swear I'm going to do it. I'm going to crash this [ __ ] car." are. And by the way, I'm doing a video that's going to be a deep dive into that incident because there is a lot to unpack there. So, be looking for that later this week. The state stated that this evidence was not being offered to show Charilla's bad character, but rather to prove Sherilla's motive, intent, knowledge, absence of mistake or accident, and to provide context with respect to Sherilla's relationship with Russo.
Specifically, the state argued as follows. Sharilla's past threats and aggression towards Russo provide an important perspective of how Sherilla responds in situations where she is displeased or in disagreement with others. Further, the evidence shows that Sherilla was aware of her ability to cause harm to the victims, especially by means of her own vehicle, and how she could use the power of threats and control to ultimately reach the outcome she desired. And really guys, this excerpt of the judge's decision, in my opinion, is the most controversial part of the decision, and she highlights a key element we need to consider when we are debating whether or not murder were the appropriate charges for McKenzie Sharilla. The judge here says that she is aware of how she could use the power of threats and control to ultimately reach the outcome she desired. But the question I'm posing is perhaps it was control itself that was the outcome she desired. And we're going to talk more about this issue during the live stream.
This Okay, so here we are at that live stream that I was referencing. And you know what I mean by that? What I just said in the video is this. So during the last live stream we talked about the characteristics of borderline personality. You need to have five of three strongly checked off on this list to be diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. According to the D I was going to say DMV DSM dietic statistical manual that psychologists and counselors you know live by. Now, during the last live stream, I wasn't aware that a lot of other people in the field of psychology and behavioral sciences are coming to this very same conclusion, which I'm really happy about because to me, it's almost just like a given fact. Nobody is diagnosing McKenzie. Nobody can do that. No matter if you are, you know, have a GED or a master's degree or a doctoral degree because we have not met her in person.
We have not done the appropriate evaluations. So, that would be completely improper. But as you read down this list, I venture to say if you know anything about Mackenzie Shrill, even if you just watched The Crash, some of these things are like, "Oh yeah, it's a match." Intense fear, intense fear of abandonment, even from minor separation.
Unstable relationships that swing between love and hate. Rapid mood changes that can shift within hours. A fragile sense of identity, not knowing who you are. Impulsive or risky behaviors, spending, sex, food, substances. chronic feelings of emptiness or loneliness, explosive anger or difficulty controlling it, selfharming behaviors, or the word that YouTube simply won't allow people to say, thoughts.
So, keeping all of that in mind coming Friday evening, so please join us.
McKenzie's ex-boyfriend was also interviewed by the authorities and he was asked some questions about her driving as well. It seems from his response, he likely would very much agree with what the judge is saying here in this excerpt from her decision.
>> And you know what? I'm sorry. I never completed my thought when I was just showing the checklist for borderline personality disorder. The judge says that McKenzie uses power, threat, and control in order to get the, you know, to to another mean to get to another means. But I believe due in part to this borderline personality disorder, which really dictates everything that she does, a borderline personality disorder, it's like these qualities, these maladaptive qualities I just showed, take over a person's personality. I think in all of these horrible things she does, perhaps even including the crash, gaining control was the end goal itself. And we will discuss that more.
And I I think this is a really important point here when understanding why the crash happened.
>> He crashed like and I think that she didn't have no regard for Dave in the back seat and she was in an argument with Tom. So it was a win-win for her.
How's he know she was in an argument with his son?
>> I don't know that. That's just what I think because the life 360 said they were going I mean to go down that road 120 like I feel like you got to be just like mad or something because like what are you doing like >> so let's go on let me ask you about this her driving >> you know for sure my my girlfriend would drive with her she's like in general so like that obviously is a part of it but to be going down a progress 100 is also not just recording like it's got to be something It's just it's not just a fun factor like cuz DaVon and Don aren't that stupid. You know what I'm saying? Like they would have said something. I feel like >> when you rode with her, did you ever see her get in a road rage incidents? Did you ever >> Yeah, she's definitely just a not like a continuous roadways, but it's like come on like you're going like, you know, >> just screaming at people.
>> So, how often did you dated? Were you ever in the car with her? I was only in the car with her a couple times really in uh her driving the shooter point.
>> Oh, how was that?
>> Yeah, that that was the time where she was just like aggravated and stuff like like just from like on the way home for example, she's obviously agitated from the argument with her and John and stuff like that and it's just kind of like she like just drive like is she a is she just a fast driver or is she like not a good driver? Why is she a good driver?
>> Not a good driver.
>> I like she's careless in general with every >> So, what we learned from these interviews with her friends or her friends and her ex-boyfriend is that she would easily anger that she was a careless driver. She seemed to be reckless in her driving. People knew not to get in the car with her because it was that bad. And then we have what we're going to take a look at next, which is a number of videos that McKenzie Sharilla herself posted to her social media that memorialized her reckless driving behavior.
Now, with most of these videos that Mackenzie had posted, I cannot repost them to YouTube with the audio due to the music that she was playing having very strict copyright restrictions. So, I'll be playing something else. So, there's only really three short video excerpts where I can play the audio that went along with the video. So, we'll take a look at those first. And I have a feeling people are really not going to like the first one.
So goddamn close to me. What the [ __ ] Letting this [ __ ] off the bus like this [ __ ] like two seconds away from me. Like what the [ __ ] this [ __ ] What the [ __ ] >> What the [ __ ] is wrong with this bus?
Like, are they [ __ ] >> Do you want to just go do that?
>> That's what I'm saying. Like I'm about for like saying [ __ ] Back the [ __ ] up, you piece of [ __ ] I dare. He mad as [ __ ] >> Kenzie, >> it's on the Today Show.
>> What?
>> Girl, I'm telling you, they're about to get ready for the biggest [ __ ] plot twist of the century, >> right?
>> What? What did they say about me?
>> No, no, no. It's not on the TV. It's just online and they're just reposting a story. But that's okay. That's okay, right?
That's all right.
>> Now, I just want you to notice here how her mom is like, "Ken's, oh my god, guess what?" You know, it's on the Today's Show all excited to tell her this. You know, she's in jail and her her she just killed some people and her mom's all excited about this. She's like, "Oh, what did they say about me?"
And she's like, "Well, they didn't say anything about you." It wasn't like, you know, a segment is what she's meaning.
It was just a mentioning of it. And then McKenzie doesn't say anything. So, her mom goes, "But it's all right. It's all right. But it's all right, though."
Right. It's all right because she's like, "Oh [ __ ] this is what I believe.
Oh [ __ ] you know, Mackenzie's gonna be upset because I said she's on the Today's Show and she's gonna think it was a featured segment and now I'm telling her it's not. I don't want the [ __ ] to blow because she knows what her daughter's like." So, she goes to excessive measures to try to, you know, put put the top on that, you know, pot of water that's about to boil over. It's okay. But it's okay. It's all right, though. It's all right. Here, come here, Phto. Come here, Phto. You know, it's really quite absurd.
>> Plot twist, [ __ ] Right.
That's okay.
Write your book. Start writing your book. You hear what I'm saying?
>> I need my baby book to write my book, though.
>> I know. Well, maybe I can.
>> I'll try it, though.
>> You start writing your book.
>> So, okay. I'm going to write these names down from these randos. That's so nice though that they're doing that. had diamond left cuz that's like man I wouldn't be telling her about this man >> Stephen. Okay, that was nice.
>> Good. I was going to call the warden today and ask her about uh >> Oh my god, I got no sleep last night.
Tell me why. Like she was just fake throwing up all night. Like it was so irritating. Like >> what?
>> Yes. It's like making herself throw up all night. I just had to listen to it all night. Yes. Like it was disgusting.
E, that noise just makes me want to.
>> Yes, I just had to let her hear it all night.
>> What the hell? Why was she Did >> she move off the p?
>> Why is she locked up?
>> What the [ __ ] >> What?
>> Well, the one of the girls that we like I talked to and here's my lock up.
>> Uhoh. Why? What happened?
Oh, okay. I'm so glad I remembered to tell you this. Please, for sentencing, bring I want you to bring me my diamond girl shirt. I want to wear that while I'm being sentenced.
>> Oh, >> and I want to wear my black Juicy tracksuit >> with my dime girl shirt.
>> Okay.
>> I mean, what does it even matter? I mean, she already had her opinion on me the whole time, so I'm wearing my Dom shirt.
Black juice seed and Oh, okay. That's what you got arrested in actually, right? Yeah. Okay. Because that's in the bag. I'm like, I I know where that is.
That's all in that bag.
Okay. I can't believe I said that freaking sentence.
People are so gross. Like, um the judge that's doing Trump's case, >> she um she's getting threatening letters from people that if Trump's not elected in 2024, they're going to come to our house and kill her. Like people are so gross. Social media just I hope this >> I wonder what Dom would think about this >> with you or Trump.
>> Trump, >> you know, he would totally be on Trump's side.
>> I know.
>> He's businessman.
>> He's a good businessman. What can I say?
>> What the heck?
>> He would totally be >> Oh my god, this is so annoying.
Oh, hold on. I'm going to go to I have one at 1:35, 7:00, 7:30, and 8.
>> Oh, maybe I do have Did I take all the nighttime on lunch?
>> I don't care. I like when I do it because then it helps us stay out longer.
>> I think I did because I wasn't sure if the terminal was going to work and that way if it wasn't working, then a call would be on another one. You know what I mean?
>> No, all my calls are on this terminal.
>> Okay, that might all be me at the end.
>> Oh my god, Stephen. That is so [ __ ] funny. like that. So weird, >> a little bit weird. So yeah, keep your guard up.
>> I'm 43. I know you're 19 cuz it said it on the news. But I'm 43, so what's up?
>> Oh my god, these people are paying money to talk to you >> as they should.
>> Wild.
Oh, um, Paige text me.
>> Oh, the Chevy one.
>> So did you catch that? Her mom says, "Oh my god, these people are paying money to talk to you and Mackenzie reply responds as they should. As they should.
Wow. Right. You know, just wow. Yeah.
So, um let's see. Incredulous me um says, well, was talking about a video that just came out because Plunder does a really great job with foyas. We're going to take a look at that for sure. I just want to answer a couple of the questions from chat here. Um before moving on a little bit.
No.
Okay. All right. So, let's see. Okay. So, um let's see. Oh, I didn't start. Well, I know Deadline Crime asked like what was the deal with the warm milk with a dad? If you haven't heard, there were a number of different texts to the father asking him, "Dad, can you bring me some warm milk, you know, at all hours of the morning?" Like for example, one was at like like around 3:00 a.m. and he responds the next day at like 10:00 at all hours of the day and night. Her asking for warm milk. And incredulous me says she had ongoing sleep and anxiety problems and the milk at night was a longstanding thing apparently and perhaps it is true, but I know this because you know I I used to do things. Um apparently warm milk is supposed to help you come down from being too high. Like if you smoke too much marijuana, but specifically if you take too many psychedelic mushrooms and you're having a bad trip, warm milk is one of the things that is supposed to help bring you down so you're no longer bad tripping. So I do believe that was about and I fully believe that the father knew that she was taking mushrooms and that she was tripping because, you know, she's like, "Can you bring me warm milk at like 3:00 a.m."
and stuff. He's not like, "What? What do you need warm milk for?" I mean, it's just completely not a typical response from a father. like not typical whatsoever. Right. So, um I do believe that's what it's about. I I I I mean, in my mind, that's what that's about.
Believe what you want, but I can add that piece of information to the puzzle.
So, yeah. Um yeah, let's see.
Um okay. All right. So, now I want to bring this into the stream. This just came out today from Plunder. Plunder is amazing.
Always plug Plunder. She does such a great job. She uncovered this 911 call from McKenzie that was not in any of the discovery. She did a separate foyer. And I'm just going to start the video and I think she's going to tell you a little bit more about that. I'm certainly not going to play the whole thing, but um I think this is an important piece in the discussion that we're having tonight.
Whoops. No.
No.
Sorry. There we go. Stop and add.
And again, thank you to Paula from Plunder True Crime. I will link in the description. She's terrific.
>> He's following me. So, >> all righty. Let's listen to some neverbeforeheard 911 audio calls.
>> What kind of car are you in? I'm in a Toyota Camry with a pink fluffy steering wheel.
>> I'm still on the line with you. Okay.
>> Okay.
>> I'm like I'm only 17 and this is like a >> Thank the sovereign Lord. While my microphone is working, I just had a time to get it to work. This never before heard 911 call. It's from April 4th, 2022. Again, thank Jesus they still had the call. This isn't even part of the discovery. I've never heard it before.
It's from the McKenzie Sharerilla case.
Of course, it's 119 days before the crash and a very frightened, terrified McKenzie Sharilla is calling the cops.
You're about to hear that frantic 911 call.
>> I'm on 111 and he's following me home.
>> It's a WMA file, so you know it doesn't want to play nicely with MacBooks. I'll play it for you. You'll hear snippets directly from the player. I'm going to chop it up and talk about it. If you want the raw audio file, WMA file, you can get it from my Patreon link below.
This is something I'm grateful they still had. They didn't delete it, and it's separate. I believe it wasn't even covered in her court case, but it's from Monday, April 4th, 2022. McKenzie ran into some problems. Of course, they had to do with driving with her, and of course, she documented part of it, but we've never heard the audio before until now. I had to do separate public records request for this one. At first, I was told they didn't have it by a different entity, but thank God I got it today.
And it's a little over 8 minutes long.
>> Okay, I'm just really scared.
>> Monday, April 4th, 2022 started off at 10:55 a.m., of course, with McKenzie Sherilla making Snapchat videos. She's driving in her car. She's, of course, you know, singing to some song. and she's on her way to this Polaris Career Center. Polaris Career Center.
>> Okay, I'm going to paraphrase this because in Paula's videos, I love her videos. She does a great job, but she plays a little bit of an excerpt of Mackenzie's 911 call and then she says exactly what Mackenzie said. So, it's it's a little laborious to put into my video. Her videos are perfect, don't get me wrong, but to put in here, it's going to get a little much. So, what happens is on she said, what did she say? July 4th, 200 when she said 191 days before the crash, whatever that date is. April 4th, Mackenzie calls 911 and she's freaking out. You can tell she's really scared. And her voice there is definitely fear and she's like, "Oh my god, this guy is following me. This guy is following me." And you know, I don't want to go home because he's following. Probably she's fearful in that in that sense that she's he's going to follow her to her house. He's angry.
He's for some reason he's acting creepy.
But listen, we're gonna find out. And I bet you're not going to be surprised by this. There was a reason he was following her and there was a reason he was angry. But she's acting to the 911 dispatch like he's following me just randomly for no reason and I'm really scared and we were at an intersection and he got out of his car and, you know, was being really scary and came up to my window. She's like, I'm just a 17-year-old girl. And the 911 operator advises her to drive to the nearest police station, which was really wise, really smart. the 911 operator. This was, in my opinion, a first class A+ 911 dispatch call. I think the operator did an awesome job. So, she's like, "Okay, okay." You know, I'm going to the police station. And then by the time the police she gets to the police station, he he's not there. At least he doesn't follow her in in person. And she got his license plate. So that allowed the police then to be able to talk to this gentleman that McKenzie was saying was following her. She's just following me like he just started following her for no apparent reason. Just out of the clear blue sky and she's a little damsel in distress in fear for her life. But we later find out, let's see, I think it's around 29 minutes. Yep.
Yep. Yep. Yep.
Time. And then I kind of like flipped them off. And then guess who? Slowly.
Yeah, they honked. Some people are just totally impa with the incident that occurred. He said he was traveling southbound.
>> Okay, so this is the account of the guy that was following McKenzie according to her story for no reason. It was just scaring this poor 7 little girl just for no reason.
found on Prospect Road approaching Mama Julianne's at this Prospect Road location. I guess it's a restaurant or something.
He stated the other vehicle McKenzie's was behind him. As he turned into the private drive of Mama Julian's, he said the occupant of the vehicle threw something at his car and then flipped him off. Sounds just like a McKenzie move. That's why I believe him. I'm not saying it gave him the right to go follow her. He did exit the lot and follow the vehicle and he confirmed all the other details provided by McKenzie, which was corroborated by her videos.
The reason I believe this is true is because impatient people do this. I watch it all the time. Sometimes on the street right here because it's kind of busy. You know how you're driving and you have to drive and you have to slow down, you're going into your driveway.
Okay, so the real story was the real story was the person that was following McKenzie that prompted her to make that 911 call about six months before the crash was following her because McKenzie threw something at his vehicle and flipped him off. So now let's just go forward a little bit and hear how Natalie Sharilla responds.
See, is this in writing? I think it is.
pardon me.
Okay. Well, oh, here's what Okay, let's see >> with him. Then they talk about a March 30th, 2022 road rage event. This be dumb as f.
>> What she's referring to is the prosecution's case against Mackenzie Sharilla. They made a PowerPoint and they are pointing out all of these previous um incidents while Mackenzie was driving with her duck lips.
Obviously, >> if you know, she puts on top of, you know, the banner on top of the video, they're like, "Did she type that out?"
And, you know, then there's April 1st, 2022. She calls someone a dumbass, you know? She's like taking a picture of someone else. March 24th, 2022. She's cursing, name calling someone. She's at the Polaris career.
Okay, so the long and the short of it is when the authorities talked to Natalie Sharilla. They had to because Mackenzie's car was in Natalie's name, Mackenzie's mother. She wants to press charges against this person who Mackenzie betrayed is just bowing this little damsel in distress for no reason.
Mackenzie's totally innocent. Whereas the real story is McKenzie threw something at his car for seemingly no reason and then flipped him off. She liked to give the middle finger like virtually like as much as possible.
Now before we kind of move on here, I just want to talk about um you know, let's a discussion of Mackenzie Sharilla wouldn't be complete without saying hello to McKenzie's father. He he was interviewed by Chris Quuomo just somewhat recently. Chris Cuomo used to be like my favorite man. I was always like, I have the biggest crush on Chris Cuomo. I used to be a total news addict.
Um, but and then I was like, yeah, I'm not so into him anymore, but I think I have a crush on him again. So, let's hear what Chris has to say to McKenzie's dad. And bravo, husband Cuomo. You did a great job with this interview. Great job. Great job. That's why he's my man.
See, I couldn't find his original interview just before this, so I pulled this off of Brian Enton because I knew Brian's everywhere. Let's face it, >> hit the wall. Listen, >> she's got a big heart and and as her father, there is no way that my daughter crashed that car on purpose to hurt Dominic or Devon. There it is absolute story narrated by the prosecution. It's It's not It's not true. It never has.
And there's no evidence, zero evidence to support any of that.
>> So that's what Steve told Chris. Um he believes that there is still no evidence, but remember again, a judge found McKenzie guilty. Uh and by the way, it was a judge. Uh I know this part's a little confusing, but it was a bench trial, so there was no jury. And I'm going to get to that a little bit later. I'm going to talk to Chris about that a little more later.
>> What do you make >> here? This This is the part that I'm trying to get to here.
think of that and then we'll pick it apart.
>> Well, let's let's talk about people.
First of all, if you don't know me and you're not in my life and how how do you say anything about me, how are you judging me without knowing me? Um, >> was I leaning on some things? Yes. Was I harder on some things? Yes. Uh, I was I was raising my kid how I felt best at the time that I made decisions. I I I'm not a bad parent. I I I made I make I picked fights that I that I would that I felt would help her and I picked fights that I didn't want to fight with her and I let her go and I made her own make make her make her own decisions and you know >> the allegation was okay you did it your way 17year-old living outside the house with a 20-year-old unusual 20 uh 17year-old uh gets in trouble at school known as a bully uh you don't seem to care those are The suggestions about her, they sicken you. Why?
>> Because it's not true. She She wasn't a bully. She's a She She wasn't a bully.
She stuck up for herself. She stuck up for her friends.
>> Mr. Sharilla, I do believe it is past due time to [ __ ] face reality, dude.
This is incredible.
>> Period. That's it.
He says she >> moving forward.
Here's my man's rockstar moment.
>> Problem with the marijuana use. I just I'm sorry. I just don't. It was It's a battle that I would never win. How am I stopping her? Was I going to lock her in her room and never let her out of the room? Was I supposed to go with her everywhere she goes? Could I took the car away? Could I There's just so many factors that have nothing to do with it.
I just I I >> Again, I'm not I'm judge, Steve. I'm not judging you or your wife. Just I don't know how much of the audience are parents, but you and I both know, as does your wife.
>> The answer to every suggestion you just made is yes, that's what we do. I told you not to drink with your friends. You drank, now you're not going out. Oh, you did it again. Now you can't drive. Oh, you did it again. Now you're not going anywhere for a week.
>> And we have and we have grounded her.
And >> that's why parenting can suck. That's why we're not their friends.
>> I agree. Agree. Totally agree.
>> I've taken her door off her room. I taken all the I taken her phone, all her electronics. I mean, I p this kid is not unpunished. Okay.
>> Again, >> but um she really is like in his own words, >> this was not a volatile relationship.
Has he read the same text messages um that we've read? Here's what Christine says about the same topic.
>> Uh when they moved in together, it started going downhill. Um and then with That's a lie. That's a lie. I cut you off. Sorry.
>> Um, what he said here maybe shocked me the most out of the whole interview that Chris did. He claims that McKenzie and Dominic had a happy relationship.
>> Uh, the narrative of the why comes into the relationship between Dom and your daughter and perceived threats, etc. And there were other text. That's a lie. I'm going to cut you off. Sorry. I got to cut you off. That's a lie. That is a lie. Vol. How am I >> volatile is not the right word. That is that is harsh. These these kids fought and they broke up and they got back together. That was their mo. They weren't fighting. This wasn't a volatile relationship. They were never ever going to break up. They were talking about getting married.
>> So he says they weren't fighting.
>> Holy [ __ ] Talk about disconnected from reality. Unplugged from the real world.
Clueless. [ __ ] up in the head. No clue who your daughter is. Delusional. Take your pick. All of those would certainly describe Mr. Sharilla in that clip. Does anyone disagree with me? I'm gonna bet no. I'm just going to bet no. Now, I just want to listen to what the judge's sentencing of Mackenzie Sharilla. And I'm sure many of you have heard it before, but this is really critical to the question here when we're asking was murder the right charge given everything we know.
have to state your honor.
>> No, your honor.
>> Today is the sentencing of the defendant for the purposeful and intentional murders of Davon Flanigan and Dominic Rouso. And in a way, it's a second time their families are gathered again to grieve.
It's also a day when McKenzie's family will grieve for the future of their daughter.
All three of these families and the friends of these families are suffering and all of their lives have been irrevocably changed because of the actions of the defendant.
The unintended collateral consequences of a selfish, intentional, and cruel decision by McKenzie will ripple forever in time.
It's literally changed history because it's ended two lives.
Two young men are dead. Their deaths were horrible, terrifying, and tragic.
I will say again, if any reasonable person reviews exhibit 802, there can be no doubt in your mind what happened this night.
There can be no doubt of the absolute terror of the two people in that car.
The defendant controlled all the events.
She chose the day. Specifically, she chose a date just before her 18th birthday. She chose to drive the car, the time to drive the car. She chose an obscure, previously scouted route through an industrial parkway. She chose the target to hit and the victims. She chose the means and the method to follow through. and she planned and purposefully executed the events of July 31st, 2022.
The review of the evidence supports the factual findings. the forensic testimony, the testimony of the first responders, the testimony of the emergency room doctors who treated the defendant, the testimony of the coroner's medical examiner, the testimony of those who knew the victims and the defendant, and the testimony of the BMV official who provided evidence that not only did the defendant deny any medical condition when applying for her license, which her mother co-signed and attested to, but also that just after the accident, McKenzie renewed her driver's license and again denied any medical condition.
In fact, the defendant was so concerned about driving that, as the state mentioned during the investigation, she asked if they could just suspend her license for 10 years. It is hard to fathom how a person could be concerned about their driving privileges, having just been responsible for the deaths of two people.
There was no medical condition that caused this as an accident. There was no mechanical failure of the car. The record is clear on the facts in the evidence. Her mother's uncorroborated statements without any medical testimony or records is not persuasive.
It is also important to remember that even if McKenzie intended to also die in this crash, that is irrelevant.
A failed suicide attempt is not a defense to murder. And even in a murder suicide attempt, when the perpetrator executing the plan survives, the other death or deaths are still murder.
There's only one person who's responsible for the pain of everyone in this room. That person is you, McKenzie.
Nobody else is responsible.
This isn't the fault of Dominic's family or DaVon's family or your family.
And I know that each of you have asked your questions to yourselves, what if?
What if I had done this or that? The truth of it is none of us can control the intentions of another. And when there is a purposeful intent to harm or kill someone, it is the perpetrator alone who bears the responsibility for the choice and the consequences and the harm that follows.
The difficulty for sentencing today, honestly, is whether or not I believe you should get consecutive sentences.
I'm troubled that should I give you a concurrent sentence that people will believe that somehow I'm being disrespectful to one of the victims.
And on the other hand, I have to weigh the punishment.
There's a very good likelihood, Mackenzie, that you will spend the rest of your life in prison. That won't be up to me. That will be up to the pearl board and that will be up to you to a great extent.
I understand that the pain in this room wants me to impose the harshest sentence, but I don't believe that would be the appropriate sentence.
Okay. So, we then all know then that um the judge sentences McKenzie Sharilla to 15 life in prison with the possibility of parole in 15 years. Um, and you know, people have feelings about that, but most of all, Mackenzie Sharilla has feelings about that because she was certain she was going to get off and her family certainly was. That is no surprise because they are completely [ __ ] delusional as we have well gone over. But the question here is I have two. The big question is, I think, was murder the appropriate charge? And please do let us know your opinion in the poll. I can't wait to see what you guys think. And also did McKenzie Sharerilla's defense fail her? Because as we have well many people have gone over in covering this case and I certainly believe as we have talked about last liveream I talked about all my videos. I do believe as a behavioral therapist that McKenzie Sharilla is an extreme case of borderline personality disorder. Now, I do want to make the point that all people with personality dis by I'm sorry, borderline personality disorder did not show up the same. They do not present the same and they are not the same. McKenzie, in my opinion, after working with so many mostly female young people who show indicators, you can't be diagnosed with this till you're in your 20s when the brain is fully matured, but show very strong indicators of borderline personality disorder. McKenzie is like at the top of the list. She is leading the pack. She is just she is hands down the most extreme case most people in the mental health profession have seen. Now I'm going to bring cuff you up on stage and we can discuss this issue of you know you turn down your background whatever.
>> Yeah. Can I have it turned down? Oh hang on one second.
>> Is someone talking? Okay.
>> No.
>> Okay. Yeah. turn that baby off. So, we're going to disc, you know, start the discussion of the issue um, you know, was murder the correct charge and was McKenzie Sharilla properly defended? And one piece of the puzzle that we need to discuss that we're going to be discussing is this issue of pot that McKenzie Sharilla's mother brought up when she was on the stand testifying.
But the defense never brought up one single witness testifying to the fact that Mackenzie Sharilla did in fact have POTS, which apparently is a disorder that causes somebody to possibly pass out due to blood pressure change when they change orientation like from laying down to standing up or from what I understand sitting down to standing up.
Cuff you was a nurse, so I thought that maybe she could contribute to this part of the conversation.
But, you know, other than Mackenzie Troll's mom stating that she had this and everybody says she only brought this up after the fact after it looked like McKenzie was like, you know, like she was she was circling the bowl like wasn't going to go good for her. It was like they were like, "Oh, pots, pots, pots, pots. What about that? Pots." But one thing I want to look at with Cuffu are some text messages between McKenzie and Dominic that I found from a long time ago that indicate something was going on. So Cuff you, welcome. How are you doing?
>> Good. How are you?
>> Good, good, good, good. Welcome, welcome. Thank you for coming up. Um, do you mind if we go over these um text messages between Dom and McKenzie about the pots? I really want to see what you think about this. No, I would like for you to go over them because those were actually the if the ones I'm thinking about, they are the ones that were right around the time the same >> some of them were. Yes.
>> As the rest. Yes. Yes.
>> Yep. And some of them were further back.
Some of them were the same month. So, I'm going to bring in a video, but before we get to those messages, I just want everybody to remember exactly who we're dealing with. So, we're going to hear a little bit again from Mackenzie herself.
If any of you think that that party situation is my fault, you can go [ __ ] yourself and leave my story right now.
Yeah. Because we let all you underage little [ __ ] inside our beautiful home just to do illegal things. And you want to blame us? Aren't you all the ones that ran out of the house and left and shook her while we called the police and got her there? what she Yeah. Please go [ __ ] yourself and kill yourself, [ __ ] Yikes. Woohoo. All right, let's get to those emails. Damn. I mean, what do you think about that, Cuffu? That little video there.
>> I think I think she's a brat. I think she's a [ __ ] and a brat. I mean, but that doesn't make her a murderer. So, that's my thing.
>> Absolutely. No, I agree with that. All right. So, here, let me >> Yeah, I don't Let me I don't like her.
Let me just make that clear to everybody in chat. I do not like McKenzie Charilla.
>> Let me just say that.
>> Ditto. Ditto.
>> I am all about justice. So, >> ditto. Yeah. No, I agree. All right. So, this is from McKenzie to Dominic. Um, what I'm saying Oh, no. I'm sorry. This is from Dominic to McKenzie.
>> Um, oops. I got to go back one. And I'm missing one here. Sorry. Let's see.
>> I'm so glad you have these.
>> Yeah, me too. I'm just getting a little back noise from you. Just just a little bit for whatever reason. So, when you're not talking, would you mind muting? I don't know what it is, but we're never going to figure it out because I suck at doing that anyway.
All right. So, I'm going to start reading these. Whoopee. Where is first one?
>> Okay. So, she said something first. I'm sorry I cut it off. She was complaining about, you know, this one, you know, being the worst so far. It was really intense. She was talking about pain.
Then Dominic says, and oh, I'm sorry.
The date here is very important. This is um July 2nd, 2022. And the crash was July 31st, 2022. Dominic says to her, "What I'm saying is your blood vessels aren't working right to get enough blood to your brain. That's why you black out." Oh, yeah. She was saying that she blacked out. All right, let me just move this along. It's kind of like a slideshow, but I have to move it. Oh, okay. So she says, "So are you saying I am vitamin deficient or something? I don't even know." And again, this is also July 2nd.
And then she says, "Again, oh, now this is um on February 8th, 2020." So now we're going back in time, a couple years. I had a really bad blackout today for real.
And then Dominic says, "What happened?"
And then McKenzie says, "Um, Ida, I don't know what that means. I straight I don't know. I straight passed out." I think there's an extra e in there. And then Dominic says to her, "Oh, now this I'm sorry. Now we're on June 25th, 2021." Dominic says, "When did you start feeling like blank? Is it because you have an eight?"
It probably says [ __ ] I don't know why it's redacted.
And now we are on April 29th, 2021. So you see these emails span basically the entire time of their relationship. She says, "Do you know how many times I've taken a test for it to tell me it's nothing?"
And then we go to February Whoops, I made this too sensitive. I'm sorry.
February 9th, 2021. It's hard to do anything when your stomach is in constant pain. So now she's talking about her stomach being in constant pain.
Whereas before it was she was blacking out. And then she says, "No one cares about my pain." Because this is McKenzie Sharilla's mantra. It's her banging on the drums. Nobody cares about me and all of my whatever. Um and then she said, that's an important one. I don't even think anyone believes it.
Well, you're a pathological liar. And then on February 18th, 2021, she says, "If you told me you were in pain no matter what the hell it was, I would be with you right by your side, ready to lay with you and do whatever you need. I guess you can't match that though. P.S.
and not too long from now, I'm going to kill you, right?" And then the next one says, "Let me just let it play so I don't miss anything."
Oh, come on, [ __ ] And then she says, um, March 18th, 2021.
Sorry, babe. I had you just fall asleep.
I literally couldn't even walk around.
My back was in so much pain. So now she's talking about these things. Her stomach, her back, as far as I know.
Maybe Cuffy will help us out here in a minute. These are not things that are indicators of POTS, but they're just I'll tell you what I think about in a minute. And then Dominic says, "Oh." And then she says to Dominic, "February, no doctor is going to be able to help." And then Dominic, she says, "Then it got really bad." And literally nothing was making the pain go away. And then all of a sudden, I just threw up. So this is June 25th, 2021. So again, this is not a POTS thing as far as I know, but it's it's a something she's complaining about. And then she says, "A doctor is telling me that weed is bad for me." So cafu, what do you think about those texts?
>> I think that she was diagnosed with POTS. I don't know how there's different there's varying degrees of it. So you >> but they didn't present that in trial.
They got her medical record and they said there was no there there was no there was no record of her having POTS.
>> So then my question would be when was she diagnosed and by whom?
>> Yeah. I >> or is that just something her mother said?
>> I don't know the answer to that question. I just know that she had no defense and if it was out there, they could have found it. Who said there was no medical records, the prosecution or the defense?
>> The prosecution obtained all of her medical records going 10 years back >> and they said that there and they they said that there was no diagnosis of POTS. And there was another thing that they referred to. I um I can't remember what that was, but so I guess they could be lying. I don't think they would be. I think they I think if they did find that there was evidence that she was diagnosed with POTS, rather than lying to the judge and, you know, committing something that would get them a professional sanction, I think they would just fail to not make that statement. But like you and I talked about, since you know, mom did bring up on the stand and the defense attorney certainly did know that mom was going to bring this up. It's pretty wild that they did not bring one single medical expert on the stand to testify the fact that yes, McKenzie has POTS and POTS could cause XYZ because even if she wasn't diagnosed, even if she didn't have it, you could find some crackass medical expert who would testify to that because we know how that goes.
>> Yeah. She had no defense basically. And I mean I, you know, I'm not going to get into the whole medical record part of it or whatever. I mean, I don't believe I don't I don't know. I I I'm real lucky to say what I really believe, but it's like, you know, >> just say it.
>> No, I'm gonna I'm gonna be reserved tonight because this is the beginning.
So, um, you know, yeah, like I said, it's just she had no defense. That's that's my my best my first biggest problem. Look at this picture right here. This is what I want to look at right here. You see that Dom and McKenzie were both involved in doing drugs and selling drugs. So, I'm so tired of it all being thrown on McKenzie. I think Don was a fabulous person. I do. And Dave, but this is proof right here of what I am saying.
And both sets of parents are responsible for letting these two people live in a house together when she was 17. and he was 20 and he did not >> said it there.
>> She was 17. See, I I personally and I and I said this in chat. I don't think that Dominic's parents are I mean I I I I honestly don't think they did anything wrong. And if they did, it was in raising him before he turned 18.
Something that I didn't have witness to.
I think he was 20, she was 17. Her parents allowed it. He was 20. He was an adult. He legally could do what he want.
He had his own money. It didn't matter what his parents said.
>> Okay.
Okay.
>> In my opinion. I mean, of course, because of your family and stuff. Yes.
But they they could not stop him from allowing McKenzie to move in or whatever. It was his home. He paid the bills. He had his own money. McKen whereas McKenzie was 17. She was a minor. I'm sorry. I think if you're under 18, your parents control your life because if you didn't have them and their purse strings to pull at and untie, you'd have nothing because you're not an adult yet, you know. See, so in my opinion, like that's the difference.
>> Yeah. I you know, I guess we can agree or disagree because like I said, her parent his parents knew a 17-year-old was living with their son and that was very risky. And you know, I'm not I'm not >> Why was it risky though?
She's 17. It's rape.
>> There's No, that's not There's the stat the statue in >> Ohio. She'd have to be under 15.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> I'm sorry. 15 years old or under. If if 15 is what she is until she turns 16, that's the stat that's for statutory rape. That's the the law in Ohio.
>> Okay. All right. Well, anyway, >> I respect your opinion. No, we can have a discussion about it. I'm just I'm just saying like what what my opinion is on that. I mean, I've heard other people say that, but I I just personally don't agree with that aspect of it. But it's okay that you do.
>> Yeah. Um, yeah, I agree with what Shay said. This whole situation's so messed up and you know, it's just I I don't know. There's so much evidence like but I I don't even want to say it because >> No, go ahead. Say it. That's why I wanted you to come up.
>> I I know. But it's like I I just feel like um >> I agree I agree with everything we've discussed like at the end of the day that like she I don't think she should have been charged. Well, I'll just say this. I don't think she should have been charged for murder for all of the reasons that we discussed and I didn't put everything all the material I have in this video to substantiate that because I'm making a separate video that's not in the live stream and I don't want to repeat all my material. Plus, it is so much. This girl clearly demonstrated severe symptoms of borderline personality disorder. She was extremely unstable. There was an incident there was an incident a few years ago where the police showed up to her house because the police report very clearly says it's because McKenzie was threatening suicide. And what her mother says is no. Oh [ __ ] YouTube is gonna [ __ ] me up now. I'm gonna have to bleep that out somehow. can't say that we're on YouTube. Sorry YouTube, we're all adults here. No Mack Mackenzie Cheryl's in the house. Get over it.
>> So, um, so um, and then her mom says, >> "No, that's not what it was about. I know the police report said it's because, you know, we called and we were afraid she was going to commit the big badass word." I mean, it is a horrible word, but we should be able to say it.
Um what was going on was that you know um she she was you know she didn't get her way and she was throwing [ __ ] around having a temper tantrum and she says we called the police because we were afraid she was going to break something because she was having a temper tantrum. So mom even admits to that. Also, there is history um a a confirmed history of McKenzie doing, you know, a trial and error of several different psychiatric medications, including Zolaf and another separate anxiety medication that she went on and off didn't make her feel good. The parents knew that she had a problem for since a long long time ago.
Even in the interviews that Mrs. Sharilla does she talks about well you know maybe we thought it was anxiety but everybody has anxiety and then we thought maybe it was HD ADHD so we were we didn't get to finish having that tested though you know because this happened but then you know you turn the other cheek and she's acting like oh Mackenzie's perfect there's nothing wrong we never knew there was a problem a perfect little angel so they knew that all of this was going on all along so as much as I can't stand Mackenzie Sharillaa and she's behaved in ways that are repulsive and reprehensible and she is fully responsible for Dominic and Dave being dead right now which should never happen is a horrible horrible [ __ ] up heartbreaking thing for them what they lost out in life what their families lost out on the heartache they're going to suffer forever I do believe I think McKenzie has a personality constitution that's a little messed up and I think the parents saw that from very early on in her life I think these indicators that we see very clearly clearly in her of having borderline personality disorder are things that could have been tempered with good parenting. But instead of parenting, well, what they did was they fed every worst possible part of McKenzie's personality and they placated her and they encouraged this horrible, inexcusable, reprehensible behavior that I believe ultimately culminated in her not getting her way when she was driving down that road. And you know, there's evidence, we've seen that Dominic wanted to break up with her despite what her dad said to my husband, Chris Cuomo. Their relationship was very rocky. It was increasingly so. And I think McKenzie was going to do something that she always did. Use, you know, threatening behavior to regain control of a person and a situation. And that's all she thought she was going to do there. I think in her borderline personality disorder rage that was fueled with fear of losing dominance.
Remember people with borderline personality have a huge void in their heart, spirit, soul and mind. It infuses like every part of the self and losing whatever they are currently stuffing that void to to feel whole with the prospect of losing that is the most devastating horrific thing they could ever imagine happening. in the moment.
And I think McKenzie was feeling that very real fear and she just wanted to do what she always did and you know and and use threats to get Dominic back in line back under her control and that's all that she could foresee happening. I don't think that she ever crossed her mind in any way, shape or form that her behavior on that night, as reckless as it was, was going to cause loss of life.
I agree with that for 100%. And the the video that you referenced, I think it was the last live that Ellie Mac, I went back and listen to the whole >> Oh, yeah. That's good, isn't it? Yeah.
>> Yeah. And she points out a lot of the points that I make and um I was like, "Okay, yeah, I'm on board with that."
It's like, you know, just the wreck itself. Let's just go to that because the the one thing that in her video that the police officer says himself when he's calling for more help is that Progress Drive it the wreck occur where Progress Drive meets Alamita. Okay, there's this whole thing about this practice run she did and that there was no outlet. There is an outlet. You turn from Pearl onto Progressive. There is a key right there and then you turn left and go right and you hit Alamita right there. So there is an outlet. It is a cut through. I do not believe it was a practice run. Rosie used it too. So that's my first thing >> either. Right.
>> Yeah. That's that's all Kaka in my opinion. But you know and the fact that was she pissed that night? I'm sure she was. You know, there's so many rumors floating around there about what happened that night as far as like she woke up and Dawn was up beside her and blah blah blah blah. We don't have any proof of any of that. So, you know, um is she a brat? Did she turn the corner and maybe hit the gas? Yes, I feel sure she did. Did I do I for one second think that she intended to risk killing herself as self-centered as she is? I do not. So, I think that well, there's proof in the EDR. I've read the whole black box. I've read every report there is on it to the point where my eyeballs are bloodshot. The airbag deployed when that curb was hit.
So, that right there caused mass confusion in that car. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Powder flying everywhere. Nobody could see anything.
you know, she hits the sign and then in that last five seconds, it is literally spelled out moment by moment by moment.
However, the EDR does not account for malfunctions in the car. It only reads what actually happened. So, there's no cockpit conversation. You don't know what happened. So, in that with that being said, I own a 2017 Toyota that had all those recalls on it. And do I think that is exactly what happened? But is it a possibility?
Yes, it is. So, I had a recall on my gas pedal. I had a recall on my brakes. I had There was another What was the other one? The airbags. The airbags would deploy randomly. You know what I'm saying? And so it's like there's that reasonable doubt that was in her defense did a [ __ ] job. They did nothing.
>> They did a horrible job.
>> They did nothing. She had no defense.
So, you know, I wonder I'm not sure about this and you may know this. Did her appeal did her defense that she had file that appeal late? Was it the same?
>> No, no, no, no, no, no. It was a different defense team. You know, so that that is, you know, that is really something I have a problem with where, you know, as much as I sort of hate to say it because McKenzie is not a likable person. She had a horrible personality.
She is so not likable. But I have to say given what I can see of her personality constitution and what she was like at home and the way we see her parents and failing to parent her, I think she would have been a and do a lot of people have shitty ass parents and they turn out to be awesome people. [ __ ] yeah. But I think she would have turned out to be a different person. And her the qualities in her that are so disgusting wouldn't have been nearly as disgusting if she were parented even kind of somewhat properly. And it was a different attorney who filed her appeal one day late. And shame on you, attorney, because those deadlines are drop dead steadfast.
If it says 365 days, I don't give a [ __ ] if it was a leap year because that was excuse. It was a leap year. No, it's 365 days, dumbass. Did you really go to law school? Did you pass the bar? And so, in my opinion, so for those of you who don't know, McKenzie Shilla lost all of her appeals because her appellet attorney filed her appeal that had legitimacy to it one day late.
>> Yep. And that's >> literally >> and I just want to let you know that this person here and welcome Vic Vic Noid once agrees with you says neither Dom or McKenzie had a job or went to school. Both sets of parents didn't do well at parenting. So there you go.
Somebody agrees with that.
>> Yeah, I do. I mean, you know, and I'm not it's not even parent back. I'm okay.
Let me just re back up on that one. Her mother is inseparable. I could not agree more with you. She is batshit crazy in my opinion. My opinion.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah, she sure is.
>> And I mean, you know, um, like I said, there are a lot of other things that, you know, we can go over there on another as far as like the the data and things like that because it's really important. It's really revealing and her defense attorney could have done a lot with it. I mean, you know what I'm saying? It's like, >> absolutely.
>> So, I'm like, why? Why? you know, and and honestly, a bench trial, oh my god, she so screwed herself, man. She really did. I mean, she >> she But something I learned, I don't know. Um I don't know. I I haven't I haven't heard this a lot, but I heard it from three different extremely reliable sources. The reason she chose a Brent trial, and I I believe this because not Mackenzie's only 17. She know the [ __ ] she was doing in any way she >> Right. Right.
>> her parents. The reason she chose a bench trial was on council's advisement.
>> Yep. Exactly. Which again, in my opinion, is jacked up because she's like, "Okay, you're my attorney. I'm going to do you want me to do. I'm 17."
You know what I mean? So, it's like, if she'd have had a jury trial, I could tell you right now, I would have hung the [ __ ] out of the jury. I 1,000% would have hung it for murder. I would have not agreed to that. So, manslaughter manslaughter. Yes. My whole thing is intent. That is my only issue is intent.
So >> me too.
>> Yeah. It's it's my only issue. So you know, even if we forget everything else in the in the minutia, you know what I'm saying? That is my biggest problem with it. Was she reckless? Absolutely. I mean, you know, aggravated manslaughter or um what was the other one that could have been charged? I can't even remember the second one. It was um unintentional homicide or something.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So both of those don't have intent. So she still would have gone to jail and I think she should should have gone to jail 1000%. I don't think she should have walked at all. So let me make that clear, you know.
>> Yeah.
>> Um >> yeah, she 15 >> I don't agree with that. I don't agree with 15 to life. I don't I don't >> Wait, let me just clarify this really quick because Julie says um that the the lawyer advised bench trial too. Oh, the Oh, you're Yeah, the lawyer ad Okay.
Yeah, you're right. I I for some reason I thought you were saying the appellet lawyer and the trial lawyer were the same and I was like, "Nope, here I have their names, but never mind." Yeah, you're right. Yes, 100%. And yeah, she says, "Rip Dominic and Davon." Yes, absolutely.
Um, and and OBCD2242 says, "The black box didn't show any pressure applied to the brake pedal."
And I agree with you, OBCD. I think that the point that Cuffy was making is because of all the recalls and whatever there there was reasonable doubt. I mean, they did they did have, you know, an extremely respected um, you know, forensic mechanical expert testify in the trial who said he examined that car up down. you know, he had this amazing CV. His resume was just like insane, outstanding. He said that he could find absolutely no evidence of mechanical failure. And uh and regarding that, you know, um Crime Circus bringing up that the brake lights illuminated two times.
I talked to two different mechanical experts about that. And they said when a car like a Honda Civic, which is not intended to really travel at that speed, yes, you can get it up there. The speed, you know, this odometer will go to that speed. It can happen. but they're not intended for that kind of speed. So going at that velocity down that kind of road, all kinds of electrical related things in the car are going to start to go a little haywire. It's not that they're not working in a way where it's going to cause a crash, but they're not going to know how to respond to that.
And a brake light is a very likely suspect for that. They both were like, she didn't put on the brakes. If you know the the black box says this, there is no evidence of the car jerking or slowing down. If she put on the brakes, they said going that speed down that road, the car would have flipped. There ain't no doubt about it. You can't go from that kind of acceleration to like breaking. So, I don't believe that she break at all. But, um, I think what you're saying is there is just reasonable doubt there.
>> Yeah. Well, okay. So, that whole thing with the braking when the airbags deployed, it would have actually generated um the brake light to engage. So, it's like this is on red. This is from the airport. So, you know, and like I said, at that point when they deployed and the other thing is her slipper I'm gonna give I'm gonna, you know, I'm not sure on this, but I looked at it. I have another video that I sent you via text, but I'm going to send it to you via email because I didn't realize you left your phone at work. So, I'm going to send it to you so you can look at this.
Um, but anyway, the the picture is of the slipper that is ground in the the the petal still depressed. So, it's like, you know, it's like I don't know if it got stuck with the slippery. If it's a possibility, we can't rule it out. You know what I'm saying? So, and like I said, if there was that powder and stuff lying around in that car, even if she'd have wanted to stop or they don't want to stop or anybody jerked on the wheel or whatever, I mean, it would have been total chaos and blindness. It you'd have been blind, right?
>> You know what I'm saying? So, anyway, you know, all that being said to say that I do not think it was intentional.
Um, and as far as like somebody said that the car was um, showed no signs of mechanical malfunction. Um, things looked normal. And I'm like, okay, the car was obliterated.
How can you make the statement that none of the mechanical aspects of the car appeared visibly to be defective? That's impossible.
>> Yeah. Well, I asked a guy that I work with who's our our auto tech guy who he actually used to work. It's are to he used to work he used to we worked at Toyota for a long time. Are Camry's Toyotas? Yeah, he I think they are, aren't they? Are they?
>> Yeah, they are. That's what I have.
>> So, he he I asked him that question too because I thought the same thing at first, especially regarding the slipper because the accident the report also said something about the slipper that they concluded that the slipper, you know, being stuck there was simply um a result of the accident, which is certainly plausible. I mean, that's what I would think it was, but um and the more important thing about what he just said that he told me is even when a car is mangled like that, there are still ways to be able to determine if there was malfunction or not. And again, that's not my wheelhouse, so I'm definitely not going to debate, >> right? The black box is the only way that's and that >> No, that's not what he said, though. And he's like, that's what I'm saying. He's a car expert. And he said there's absolutely ways that you can tell that there's other mechanisms. And I wish I thought he was going to come on this past week, but his wife just had a medical emergency, so he actually hasn't even been in work. So, I wish I took detailed notes when I was speaking with him, but I thought he was going to come on, so I didn't. So, >> yeah. Anyway, I guess, you know, basically there's, like I said, I want I'm going to send you that video via email when we get off here and I want you to and yes, crime circus cult, which I don't like him either. Whatever. I don't care what his background. I don't care what he did. I don't care who he beat. I don't care nothing about that.
I'm sorry. I don't I'm just concerned with what he's putting out. And this girl is a brand new channel, but she is covering some really cool stuff. And so she really did this in a very nonbiased way.
>> Are you talking about Ellie Mac?
>> No, no, this is another thing.
>> Yeah, it's a it's like she literally has like 130 subs and I was like shocked to see the quality of this video. So >> yeah. And the evidence. Yeah. So anyway, I'll send that to you. But I mean, I don't know if somebody else wants to jump up on um on here or not, but that's, you know, that's where I'm at right now with it. I'd like to have another like follow-up conversation later on it when I can, you know, >> sure, >> be more organized because I was I was organized the other night, but I was like I I missed whenever you called me up. So, >> yeah.
>> You know, it's like And but the LA Mac thing, that's where I literally took a whole page of notes. So that's like I said a lot of the stuff that she hit really >> proved to me again >> the possibility of the intent being wrong and that's like I said the biggest part of it for me. So you know >> so I I just want to read this comment because OBCD2242 says isn't that intent though not attempting to break intent can be formed in a minute or days. That's right. And you know that is how I was thinking about it at first and because intent can be formed according to the law intent can be formed in a split second. So and and I I and I 100% I mean that is a law.
It it just is what it is. What what the why the reason I feel that I do not I'm not I I'm not so sure. In fact, I don't think I would not if I were on the jury, I don't believe with my especially with my background in mental health, I would not have convicted her of murder because I believe due to her mental health problems and her lack of getting support for them. Even though, you know, it's on you to get support, but well, actually, when you're a minor, it's on your parents to get you support. Yeah.
>> And I don't think she got that support.
And I think the nature of her mental depravity is such where she Yes, you're right. She didn't break.
That's right. Absolutely. I do not think she hit the brakes. If it were, you know, somebody that I I knew to be a little more sane, I would say, yeah, clearly they intended it. because of her mental health issues. I don't think that she foresaw the con possible consequence of loss of life as being a possibility because her borderline personality disorder controls everything she does and the fear of losing Dominic and not having that control over him rocks and rules her life. And the only goal she had, the only intention she had was to regain control of Dominic to be her little pet boyfriend. So I I do not think in McKenzie Sherilla's undeveloped sick mind that she saw death as being a foreseeable consequence. I really don't.
And and but the thing is that needed to be tried in the case. They needed Oh, that's another way. Oh gosh, I can't believe I forgot to say this. That's another huge area. Perhaps the biggest area where I feel the defense trial attorney failed is that they needed to give her a full psychiatric evaluation.
>> Yes.
>> Findings. As much as she had distaste for them, as much as her mom and dad grimmac and said, "No, no, no. Baby's a baby mushroom milky." That's what they needed to do. Because I do believe were a jury trial or even maybe for this judge and they did a proper complete psychiatric evaluation. and they presented the results for what they were and they had, you know, a a a reliable, respectable mental health um per um expert on the stand, I believe that they would have been able to clearly make a case that McKenzie Sharilla is incapable of foreseeing realistic consequences of her action when she's in that white rage state of borderline personality induced fear of losing control of that which you fills the great void within her with something so she doesn't feel all that pain. And they comp they didn't even bring it up.
>> Shame on them.
>> Right. And let me just I do want to say this because my airbags did deploy in my Toyota. Okay, so let me tell you. I bought a brand new Toyota and I had it for three months and I was driving home from getting my dogs groomed and I this woman pulled right across in front of me and I slammed on the brakes. When I did, my airbags deployed and I hit my gas and I slammed even harder into the woman. That's what I'm saying. So, it was powder. There was stuff everywhere.
like I couldn't I had no idea what was even happening.
>> You know what I'm saying? So it's like until cars until the car stopped I had no idea what was happening. So um and it was her fault. Thank God cuz but I mean I literally I was three months old so I got a brand new car. I thought okay you know it did really well as far as the front end. Of course I didn't slam into a broke building you know as far as the protection and stuff. So I got the same car again. So but then after I got it I found out there was all these recalls on it. So, you know, I mean, and I'm not saying that's what it is, but is it reasonable doubt? Yes, it is. It's reasonable doubt.
>> It could be.
>> Yeah. So, you know, anyway, yeah, I think I'd love to have somebody else come up on panel with you and talk about it because I'm interested to see what other people have to say as well. But, like I said, my main thing is I could not have convicted her of murder. I definitely think she needs to do time in jail. She's not making a good reputation or a good look for herself while she's in there because she is has the mind mentality of a 12-year-old. I mean, she's just like [ __ ] I'm sorry. A bad word. Bad word. I'm sorry.
Yeah. But, you know, she's just like delayed. Let me just say that, you know.
So, um she's not she's doing >> I think I don't know if she's delayed. I think she's severely mentally ill. And more than that, a personality disorder is really more than that. And and I agree with you, OBC. I don't think that mental illness can be a blanket defense for everything. Absolutely, by no means.
But I do think in this case, given the evidence that does exist, the nature of McKenzie, the nature of her relationship with Dominic, her age, and then, you know, her failure to be properly parented, I I I I don't think it's a defense, but I do think it's a factor that when Wade in deliberation, were this a jury or judge trial, if it were actually put into the trial as evidence, needed to be strongly considered. I'll say that.
>> Yeah. And I mean, Kelly, you know, and I have no problem sharing. My son has schizophrenia. He's 37. He has schizophrenia. And it is, you know, when people say you can't blame mental illness for everything. I can tell you right now, everything in my lives, my son's life is centered around his mental illness. And it is causing him not to be able to be a normal functioning man. So, I totally agree with you. Mental illness is real. It's huge. And we can't just excuse it. People, you know what I'm saying? It's like it is it's a major aspect of what happened in this case in my opinion.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> I mean, you know, I said she had no mental im mental maturity. She was not given any help. Nobody recommended her to get help. You know, she wasn't analyzed for the trial. Nothing. I mean, it's crazy.
>> Yeah. No, it is. And then, you know, OBCD says she knew that going 100 miles an hour into the wall, no one would survive. The rage shouldn't excuse jail time. And, you know, and part of me totally agrees with that, but I I think that rage shouldn't exc it's it's a really tough one. I mean, all I guess all I'm going to say to that is it's a good point.
>> It is a good point. It's this is a tough This is a really And I think that the way that justice panned out in this case is one of the reasons that it's caught on like, you know, wildfire with people Everybody knows there's something.
Everybody know I feel this is my opinion. I think most people sense that there is a lot wrong here.
>> Whatever it may be and and we may not all see all the same things at the same time, but I think we all agree that there something is wrong in Strongville.
>> Julie, I agree with you. She says she was failed and Mackenzie was failed at every turn in her life growing up. She was she was failed. Not an excuse, but she was failed. So, like when I first started coming to that realization, it like hurt me to say that and I couldn't I couldn't imagine saying it actually on my channel because I was like this is not in line with like what I but I'm trying to explain the best I can why she both >> she both she both absolutely deserves to pay for what she did. She is responsible for taking their lives. She I mean >> I I I like I okay I think she is a horrible person but do I think at her age >> her being a horrible I think a lot of the composition of her horrible personness >> was like her parents failing her okay so her parents fail her a lot of parents failed her if she had a chance from recover from that would she have I don't think she would have honestly because her borderline personality disorder is so extreme at her age They did fail her. And the fact is with the defense not bringing up all of these this legitimate evidence that is a good basis for reasonable doubt, she was failed. And do I hate that? I do hate that. But in my mind, that's how it is.
>> I I agree. I agree with that. And you know, like I said, it's just that's my main beef is just the intent. She deserves jail time. She deserves to be in trouble. She, you know, I would, honest to God, if it was a straight flat 15 years, I'd be like, "Yeah, I'm down with that." You know what I'm saying?
But as far as like 15 to life, I have a problem with the 15 to life. I do. Um, she definitely needed to go to jail. I I there's no I have no problem with that at all. She did, you know, but like I said, the sentence that was handed down, I I hope that there's some way for her to actually get an appeal. I'm sure some loophole they'll be able to do it and I hope she has a jury trial and a defense attorney that knows how to do his job.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I totally agree. And Anna Flexis, she was charged with everything or she was convicted with everything she was charged of, including two counts of murder. Murder with intent. And I mean, and this is a good point. Um, >> where' it go?
Where' it go? Hold it. Hold it. Holdley.
Hold it. Got to save.
>> Yeah. No driving, Julie. I agree. Julie says no driving. [ __ ] no. thousand% agree with that.
>> Yeah, seriously. Get that [ __ ] off the road for the love of God.
>> Um, where is the one I really want to read? Who? Wait, just one second. I really want to read this one comment because it was a good point um about borderline.
>> Who said that borderline is complex?
It's a spectrum. I can't find it now.
But that's a really good point and you are totally correct and I hate I'm you know in talking about this I I hate to kind of like brush by it like it's not a complex thing because borderline personality disorder is extremely complex and yes I agree with you. Um I'm trying to find your comment and I'm just missing it that it's a complex it's a complex disorder and she had a lot more she had a lot going on. You know, when I say that she was extreme case, in my opinion, she checked off all the boxes for borderline and she had more than that going on. And as far as my >> experience as a behavioral therapist working for adolescence, I just I I think and again I I've never met her.
never personally evaluated. I've never personally spoken to her. But my impression at this point with all the thousands of young people I've worked with and then you know looking at what we know about her I have to come to the conclusion that I believe she would be diagnosed with borderline personality if she was actually properly evaluated at the right age. I believe that she presents extreme and I also believe that there's a shitload more than that going on too. And yes, point out the fact that it is it is very complex and it's you know hard >> to talk about this sometimes because you don't want to simplify it and give people the wrong impression that like you know oh any mental health you know problem is a blanket excuse to do horrible things because by no means I do not believe oh it's I have it dude I have it highlight the whole time it's very hard to understand borderline Valerie said this it's a spectrum and she is complex with more than one issue in my opinion I 100% agree. Very insightful.
>> Okay, so I have a question because I did not know that borderline does have a spectrum. Like >> borderline Oh, yes. Borderline is a spectrum. I did not know that.
>> Spectrum disorder. Yes. Yes. I should I think I don't know. I think I explained that last time. I'm not sure. Maybe I took it from Yeah. It's a spectrum disorder. Absolutely. So some people have it to uh you know, some people have it to you varying degrees and each symptom to varying degrees make it very nuanced and complex. And that's when I say she presents extreme. I see her in each of the categories. Just what I know about her. I can think of examples as compared to all of the young people I've worked with. She presents extreme in every single category.
Maybe not in the extreme of substance use only because as far as I know she smoked pot and did mushrooms whereas I know some people are doing much harder drugs but with a frequency Yeah. she presents extreme you know. So >> yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean I think you know basically we have some different areas of agreement disagreement but we both are in the same page. I think as far as like the intent part of it is questionable. So that's the main thing you know and I'm I'm still like I said I really really really want you to watch that video. I'm going to email you. It's about >> because I'm I'm dying to know your thoughts on it after you see it. I really am. And I'm gonna go back and watch Ellie Max again. I really I 1,000%. She is such >> such a great She does.
>> She really is. She's gonna be She's gonna get really big. I think she's gonna do really well.
>> I think so, too. And I'll provide you guys that link also in the description.
It's a video that I um referenced a lot in last week's live stream. And I just think she did such an amazing job.
>> Yeah, she really did. So, all right.
Well, I'm gonna jump off. Thanks for having me, Kelly.
>> Yeah, thanks for coming up. I really appreciate it. Thanks for everything.
>> Alrighty. Bye. Bye.
>> All right. Bye. All right, guys. Well, if no one else is coming up, I think I might be going soon. Um, quick stream total.
Let's see. My Phil former in-law. What does that mean?
Phil, former ill. Is that what it means?
Somebody in aniflax's life. He was diagnosed and quite extreme. Total um pain in the ass to live with. Yeah. I mean, people with, you know, on the extreme. Yeah. Yeah, I could see that.
I'm not gonna say anything more about it. I don't need to. You said it all.
Um, and Valerie says that she made fun of mental health people with mental health issues. Um, and she called them very unkind names. Absolutely. We see that in her videos. Really mean. Really, really mean. Yeah. Really degrading. And Yeah.
truth over verdicts that she's going 135. She was on a mission to take them all out. See, you know, and and I, you know, I and I and it's not that I I don't think that given everything we've learned about the case. That was certainly my first impression. I'm not saying, "Oh, now I'm more involved than you. Please don't take it that way." But just when I because listen, this case, so many things about it have really bothered me.
All my moderators know that. I've had private discussions with all of them.
You know, I was really upset that I just couldn't stand this girl. I thought she was [ __ ] horrible. And I usually do not form that opinion, especially of young people cuz I know that their brains are not developed. I know they have potential to change. It's like my job to believe in them and to see the good in them and to bring that out. So, I was really bothered by the fact that I just thought she was a horrible person.
And I think Anna Flaxa said to me in a comment like, "It's okay. You know, you can feel that way. you don't have to like be upset about it sometimes like that you know there's people like that out there it's okay you know like it I it was just I really struggled with it but as you know I learned so I learned as much about her as I could from a mental health perspective and everything else that history that she's documented herself what everybody knew about her I just really felt like my own sentiment of her was really troubling me I needed to get a full picture of her to understand why I was developing this opinion um and in doing so truth over verdict the you know kind of where I landed after doing all that and really considering it because it bothered me personally so much or I bothered me personally so much. I would say she was going 100 and a 35. She was on a mission to gain control using tactics that she always did of trying to scare, you know, people, strongarm them, bully them, you know, to extremes in ways, you know, that that, you know, cause them to just get right back in line where she wanted them. I I really do think that that was her mission at that point. I I I I right right now at this point, I don't believe she wanted to kill either of them. And I don't believe she wanted to kill herself. Um, I think that she just wanted everything to be the way she wanted it to be because the little brat thinks that's how things should be. And how dare they be otherwise.
And then there's also this issue of, you know, she so desperately wanted to be a full-time resident in Don's home and for him to put a ring on it. Put put a ring on that bratty little bugeyed skank's finger. And he wasn't doing it. He wasn't having it. he wouldn't allow her to move in full-time because he knew what she was like. He knew how crazy she was and that she was making him miserable at times and she wouldn't let go. And as she wouldn't let go, her behaviors were becoming more extreme and more frightening to him to the point where I truly believe and he very pretty much says so himself. He was afraid of her. He was afraid she was going to hurt him. He was afraid for his life. He needed to leave her. He needed to let her go. She was a liability. She was a danger. He couldn't let her move in with him because he didn't want that in the long term. I think he thought he did and then he realized he didn't. And also, if he allowed her to move in, he would have lost any little tiny bit of breathing space that still existed for him when she suffocated him every time. He didn't provide overbearing for most other people amounts of love, affection, and attention.
So, um I think at first, I didn't know this.
I think a lot of people didn't know this at first. It seems I think it's the the evidence I've seen of this. I I think it's pretty it's pretty damn certain Damian was living with Dom or staying with him at least in at least let's just say at the very least the days surrounding the crash. So now they're leaving a party. McKenzie wants desperately for Dom to put a ring on it.
She wants all of his love and attention and affection to a degree that is overbearing for most. She needs it. In fact, if she doesn't have it, she does crazy things to get him back in line to control him and to make sure she gets what she wants because that's what McKenzie Sharilla is used to and she expects nothing out of life and she will accept nothing more. In addition to that, her condition brattiness, she also has borderline personality disorder in my opinion to an extreme and almost all of the of the um diagnostic categories.
So that just contributes to, you know, her obsessive compulsive need that causes her to go to extremes to have Dominic in her life the way she wants him. And now Damian, he was going to be spending the night at Paul's house. But now he decides he's going to go home because he wants to take a shower and get some sleep. Well, guess where he's going? Dominic's. Because now at this moment, home for him is Dominic's house. So he gets in the car with him. Maybe she didn't expect that.
Maybe she thought he was going to stay at Paul's because he was going to be fixing a friend's car the next morning and that was the original plan. Well, now that's not happening. I think that was enough to set her off in a huge way.
And then imagine just what happened once they got into that car. Um I don't know. I could just go on and on and on about this. So with that, I do have another video coming out about the family dynamics. Um, I was going to talk about that tonight, but I that's just so much I'm gonna There's so much to talk about. I'm just reserving most of that for content for the video.
Ah, that's true. Truth over Verdict.
Domister Christine has a good YouTube channel. I think it's amazing. Check it out. It's called um Big Sister Unhinged.
She's wonderful. I support her a million thousand%. I emailed back and forth with her just once. Um, she just seems like a great person. I've watched a ton of her interviews. Cuff you. Oh, thank you so much, Cuffy, for the super chat. I appreciate everything you do and thanks for your super chat and support. Thanks for having me up, Kelly. Appreciate the opportunity. The intent is sticking point. Seems like we agree on that point. Yeah, I do think the intent is a sticking point. And, you know, with what I presented as, you know, my theory at this point about the intent and what I think her intention was or was not when she was in the car. That's just where I'm at at this moment. But I think, you know, the the important thing that needs to be said is if she was defended with a defense attorney that gave a [ __ ] put in any kind of effort, some kind of evidence of everything we discussed tonight would have been admitted in that trial and it would have been then then become evidence um for deliberation.
and it just wasn't and it's really unbelievable to me and and I know obviously a lot of other people as well.
Um, do I think she should have had a better defense because I think she should get off and [ __ ] no. But I do think that I think you and myself and everyone else in this chat right now should be guaranteed without a doubt the right to a proper trial with a vigorous defense.
You know, that does your right, that puts forth your best case in every possible way, leaving no stone unturned.
And if I want that, if I want that for you and everybody else in this chat, then I have to want it for Mackenzie Sharilla, too. As much as it's hard, it's hard because she's she sucks, but she didn't get it. It's just it's it's a hard one, man.
Valerie says, "Borderline acts on their feelings in the moment, which can shift rapidly. Feelings equals reality." Thank you. That's such a great point. And that's, you know, very should be included when I'm describing why I don't think she had the intention of ending lives in that moment because she wasn't connected to reality as everybody else knows it. Her reality in that moment were her extreme, over-the-top, outofcontrol, inflamed feelings. Yes.
Exactly.
Yeah. And please do check out um Dominic's sister Christine. Her um she wants to have this passed through as legislation. It's called Dom and Davon's law. Um and it's, you know, kind of an extension of the Son of Sam law that does not, you know, that is different from state to state given the state jurisdiction. And there's different variations of this law that you know um people who are convicted of these violent crimes are not allowed to profit off their crime by like writing a book or whatever the case may be in this modern day. Christine's like wait a minute but we need to extend that to like social influencers and make sure that they're not making money in these social influencer ways like Mackenzie Charilla has the prospect of doing now that she's behind bars. you know, even like getting a big modeling gig that she always wanted, but I don't think she'd ever get because she's a little bugeyed troll.
So, I don't like to pick on people's looks, but she's just I you got to got to hang on to something with her. But, um, you know, like, you know, something like that would even be not allowed because if you could make a case that she landed that gig because of committing this crime and taking these lives. So, I think it's a really worth wild law. I think it's a smart law and um, I definitely signed it. I would suggest you to check it out and see if you're interested as well. She'd appreciate the support.
Um, let's see.
Yeah, I wonder what was really going to the party. Valerie says, "I think they were fighting at the party and no one will talk." Yeah, they're like, "Oh, yeah. It was just peaches and rainbows."
Peaches and rainbows and chubby little goldfish swimming around. Nothing was happening. He was just rubbing our hair.
We were We were going to do shrooms, but we didn't because it was getting late.
We all want to be responsible adults.
And [ __ ] that, dude. They never got together like that. The that group never socialized that. So, what really happened? Good point, Valerie. I want to know what happened, too.
So, all right, guys. Well, I am going to get going, but thank you so much for being here. I appreciate all of you.
Thank you for sharing your opinions. I know that, you know, there's really varying opinions across the board when it comes to this case. Um, and I respect all of them and I I appreciate you guys sharing your opinion. So, um, I hope you guys have a great weekend. I might do another live tomorrow or Sunday. Um, but I hope you have a great weekend and remember, do something good for yourself, my friend, because you deserve it. And I think it is only appropriate um to give our girl McKenzie the last word.
Just a PSA.
If any of you think that that party situation is my fault, you can go [ __ ] yourself and leave my story right now.
Yeah. Because we let all you underage little [ __ ] inside our beautiful home just to do illegal things. And you want to blame us? Aren't you all the ones that ran out of the house and left and shook her while we called the police and got her there? Was she Yeah. Please go [ __ ] yourself and kill yourself, [ __ ]
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