Mojab's Conscious Edits Argument Got CRUSHED - He's Panicking!

Añadido: 2026-05-09

[00:00:00]He created the heavens and the earth and no weariness touched him, yeah? This is what I'm saying. correction of the Genesis and Did you see this part?

[00:00:12]Yep.

[00:00:13]Exodus >> terrible. or not? Yes or no? Is it correct in the hands of the Bible or not? Is it correct or not?

[00:00:19]>> I'm going to answer you in full. The answer is no. It is not a correction. It is not a correction. The Bible doesn't even teach It doesn't even teach that tiredness touched God. In fact, it talks about him ceasing working on the seventh day, not that he was actually tired. So, the Quran says what Allow me to finish. No, no, no, no, no.

[00:00:44]Allow me to answer in full.

[00:00:46]YOU MUST BE SCARED, BOY.

[00:00:48]YOU MUST BE [laughter] SCARED, BOY.

[00:00:51]Let me finish. I forgot about that.

[00:00:54]The Hadith that you are referring to where it said, "Don't believe what they say nor disbelieve what they say."

[00:01:01]I just want to touch upon not in this instance, but I just want to point out quickly um the the the reasoning that Muhammad Hijab is employing here. I think I watched this clip before, but uh what he's basically saying is that um the Quran cannot be affirming the Bible because the Quran actually corrects the Bible by making a an assertion that is in contradiction with what the Bible says.

[00:01:27]Which is the other part of the Islamic dilemma.

[00:01:29]>> [laughter] >> Which is ridiculously absolutely stupid.

[00:01:32]>> Insanely stupid. And I can't believe that this guy who considers himself a very very highly educated and logical and uh you know, a genius would make such a ridiculously stupid point.

[00:01:45]Yeah. That is an incredibly stupid point. It's really stupid. It's scraping the barrel.

[00:01:51]If the Quran contradict If the Quran says something that contradicts the the Bible we don't have to therefore conclude that the Quran intentionally corrects the Bible. We could, for example, also assert and then look at the evidence for that that the Quran attempts to be in line with the Bible but expresses something that is completely contradictory to what the Bible teaches.

[00:02:18]What are you saying that intentionally contradicts the Quran that the Bible.

[00:02:21]You're saying that maybe Muhammad or whoever the author of the Quran was was wrong.

[00:02:26]I I I I I'm afraid I am saying that. Oh, no, heaven forbid. That can't possibly be right. That doesn't fit with my Islamic worldview.

[00:02:37]How can that possibly be true? I think it's evidently clear that whenever someone appears to have made a mistake, they must be intentionally making mistakes. Of course.

[00:02:46]>> This This resolves the whole problem, guys. Look, the Quran author confirms things over and over and over again. And he doesn't do it in parts, he does it in a whole, and he does this 18 plus times, and then he contradicts intentionally so that you know he's of two minds.

[00:03:02]He's confirming and contradicting at the same time. How is this not simple?

[00:03:06]So, if the Quran actually said at some point, uh "And your scripture teaches this, however, that is false because the reality is this." Then you could make the point that it's actually intentionally correcting it. But it doesn't say any such thing. On the contrary, it it repeatedly affirms the truth, the validity, the authority the divine origin of the previous scriptures.

[00:03:31]Meaning the Torah and the Injil, the Gospel.

[00:03:36]While contradicting it, which is why it is stupid and incoherent.

[00:03:41]Yeah, exactly that. The author of the Quran is incoherent ultimately. So, he can't be from God. Muhammad therefore is not a prophet and therefore Islam is wrong.

[00:03:50]Islam makes the most intelligent Why would you say something like this?

[00:03:56]When it's so true.

[00:03:57]This is what you respond to this.

[00:03:59]We believe Let me finish.

[00:04:01]>> you changing the subject? No, you're the one who changed the subject. You brought THIS HADITH UP.

[00:04:05]HOLD ON. HOLD ON. You brought this Hadith up, and now you're getting schooled. Now you're getting cooked, bro.

[00:04:10]Why are you running? He said, "Say, believe in what Hold on. Hold on.

[00:04:16]Avery, what was revealed to you? Avery, Avery, listen. So, hold on. Are you supposed to believe in what was revealed to me?

[00:04:21]No, are you going to listen? I didn't listen to you.

[00:04:24]Are you So, answer the question. Are you supposed to believe in what was revealed to me? Let me tell you what I'm saying, and then you can say what you want to say. Again, you said that Let me speak, man. Just give me 20 seconds. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[00:04:36]No, I didn't watch the whole thing through until here, but I can already assume that what actually happened is that Muhammad Hijab repeatedly wanted to be the one who speaks and would always and would interrupt God Logic.

[00:04:46]And now also once again wants to be the one who speaks, but also complains at the same time that God Logic won't let him speak. You must be a prophet.

[00:04:55]An apostate prophet.

[00:04:57]>> [laughter] >> Even with Hijab's anti Avery just like cooked him for those first 32 minutes that I saw. Massacre. Um so, Avery brought up Avery brought up 1094. Uh Hijab didn't understand it. Didn't understand logic. Didn't know what he was talking about. Gave a terrible response. Then Hijab started bringing up responses. And every single thing Hijab would bring up, Avery knew 10 times as much about.

[00:05:26]Yeah. And then Hijab would start calling him a liar. And those of us who like know what he know what Avery's talking about, it's like Hijab Hijab just has no clue. He has no clue what's in the sources. He has no clue what the what the scholars say.

[00:05:37]Um it was bad, man.

[00:05:39]Bad. Bad.

[00:05:40]>> man. A bad man.

[00:05:42]If you It's not a dialogue if if we can't speak to each other. You're the only one speaking.

[00:05:47]>> [laughter] >> This is Muhammad You're the only one speaking right now. No, Muhammad Hijab.

[00:05:51]If you let me speak for 20 seconds, then you can respond for 20 seconds.

[00:05:55]Otherwise, you're trying to You You got it.

[00:05:58]Okay, so what I'm trying to say is that In the book of Genesis, it's mentioned, yeah, that God rested. However, in the book of Exodus chapter number 31 verse number 17, okay, in that verse, the word is that he not only he refreshed. And the Hebrew word is nafash. So, here clearly in the Old Testament corpus, you have this idea of God actually literally resting. If you find If you look at all of the the the the the rabbinical commentary about that, it's an actual rest. So, the point is this. You're saying when the Quran says in chapter number 50 in Surat Qaf, that it's not correcting this? So, what is it correcting then? Why is it mentioning that?

[00:06:40]>> Oh my gosh. All right.

[00:06:42]So, again um the author of the Quran is actually unfamiliar with what is in the Bible.

[00:06:49]Look at that.

[00:06:50]The agreement was Listen to me for 20 seconds, and then you can respond for 20 seconds. That was the agreement.

[00:06:55]>> [clears throat] >> Wow. Avery He only goes by word of God.

[00:07:02]As long as you said that I can speak You notice how you said I can speak? I let you speak. I didn't interrupt you. Hey, pause real quick. I already Let me Let me just make sure everyone understands what they're talking about right now. Um so, um as far as what the Quran says over and over again, Muhammad Hijab would try to show that the Quran is claiming in verses that it corrects the previous scriptures and is a criterion over them.

[00:07:23]Total nonsense. Avery just crushed him every single time.

[00:07:27]Um so, now Hijab is as we already pointed out, he's trying to say that the Quran, even though it doesn't say it's correcting them, is obviously correcting the previous scriptures. And it's wherever the Quran says something different from what the Bible says, therefore the Quran is consciously aware of what the Bible says, and it's deliberately trying to correct it. Now, the issue is, one, again, the Quran never once says that it's correcting the previous scriptures. What the Quran actually says is it's responding to what Jews and Christians say because according to the Quran Jews and Christians misrepresent and distort their scriptures. So, if the Quran never says that it's correcting the scriptures, but says over and over again that it's responding to what Jews and Christians say, then when the Quran says something different from what the Bible says, why would you think it's actually somehow consciously correcting the Bible and not just responding to what Jews and Christians say? You can believe that it's correcting the text, but it Allah never says it. He only says he's correcting what people say. And so, what God Logic is saying is the Quran you have no basis in the Quran for thinking that the Quran is consciously correcting the text. What the Quran claims to be doing is correcting people's misrepresentations and distortions of the text. And there's there's there's nowhere in the Quran you can point to where Allah is saying he's correcting the text. And so Yep. Avery And once again, Avery's correct, Hijab is wrong. Oh, yeah. Well, that's that's the whole debate summed up in in a few words there. Uh I I just want to add a little bit as well. So, when they say conscious edits it's a bit It's a bit It's like that the terms that Muslims use and they come up with the bid'ah. You know, general confirmation, conscious edits it it's really misleading if you just think of it using their words. Um when they say conscious edits, what they really mean is that the Quran author is re-revealing the original revelation. So, when they look at Genesis and Genesis supposedly says one thing and the Quran says something different their view is that the the Quran author has just re-revealed the revelation that was given to Moses again in the Quran. So, the Quran has the correct version basically that can be that you can find all the way going back to Moses. The issue is is that there are plenty of parts in the Quran where we see that the author has not done this.

[00:09:46]He's not actually even given a possible uh account of like a story like a prophet story like Joseph or Moses that can be found uh in the Hebrew that goes back to the before common era period. There are plenty of examples where the Quran author is engaging with like Syriac Christian homilies.

[00:10:06]So, they're not even potential candidates for the original revelation, which means that the Quran author isn't actually re-revealing anything. He's just He's basically just engaging with what Christians at his time believed, and that's a a homily or something that um for example, Jacob of Serugh, someone who's actually writing these liturgical uh devices that are meant to be helpful in explaining these stories to layman.

[00:10:30]They're not meant to actually be scripture.

[00:10:33]But, that's what the Quran engages with.

[00:10:35]So, the Quran can't be re-revealing the original revelation. Well, let me just uh let me just make it uh bring it closer for you know, to make it very easy to understand. I like to deconceptualize and you know, uh laid out in a relatable way. So, here for example, >> [laughter] >> I let's say for example that uh I claim that I was sent by God or I was you know, I speak completely on behalf of God, and people believe that David also speaks on behalf of God all the time.

[00:11:07]I come and I say and I claim that I was sent by the same God with the very same message that David David was sent by.

[00:11:14]Now, David at some point says Mike Winger is the greatest nerd.

[00:11:19]I come along at some other time and I generally say everything David has said is true.

[00:11:28]But then I also at some point say, "Also, Mike Jones is the greatest nerd."

[00:11:34]Now, what I said is directly in contradiction with what David said.

[00:11:39]But, I don't ever say that I'm correcting David.

[00:11:43]I'm actually saying that everything David has said is true, but then I'm making a statement that is indirect contradiction with what David said.

[00:11:51]In this case, I am not consciously correcting David.

[00:11:55]I am making a mistake and refuting my own argument, my own point that I am actually in full agreement with David because I claim that I come from the same source that I take my message and my inspiration from the very same source, but then I say something that completely contradicts his statement.

[00:12:17]Yeah, uh leave that up there for a sec.

[00:12:19]>> I have been refuted and exposed as false just as the Quran has been refuted and exposed as false.

[00:12:26]Yeah, so guys, this is a for any of you Muslims, we know that you guys have trouble understanding the Islamic dilemma. This is basically the situation. So, David in this context uh represents the Bible.

[00:12:40]Yeah, because I'm good. AP because he's Turkish represents the Quran. Yeah.

[00:12:47]Um and so, David comes along and says completely true statements, Mike Winger is the greatest nerd ever, right? Or you could say worst, but you'd understand what what I meant, right?

[00:12:59]And then AP comes along and says, "Yes, David is correct. Everything David has ever said is completely true."

[00:13:05]But then he contradicts me and says, "Mike Jones is the greatest nerd." Now, guess what?

[00:13:13]You end up with a dilemma. You end up with a dilemma here because there are two possibilities. Either I'm right when I say Mike Winger is the greatest nerd or I'm wrong when I say Mike Winger is the greatest nerd.

[00:13:25]If I'm right when I say Mike Winger is the greatest nerd, then AP is wrong when he says Mike Jones is the greatest nerd.

[00:13:33]Um or alternatively, if I'm wrong when I say Mike Winger is the greatest nerd, then AP would be wrong when he says everything David has said is true.

[00:13:43]Either way, no matter what I no matter whether I what I say is correct or incorrect, AP has to be wrong because he has simultaneously affirmed what I everything I've said and contradicted what I've said. That's the situation with the Bible and the Quran or if you want to get specific, the the Torah and the Gospel and their relation to the Quran.

[00:14:09]The Quran does nothing but affirm the inspiration, preservation, and authority of the Torah and the Gospel, and yet it contradicts them. So, two possibilities.

[00:14:17]Either we have the inspired preserved authoritative word of God or we don't or we don't. If we have it, Islam is false because it contradicts what we have.

[00:14:24]Um if we don't have the inspired preserved authoritative word of God, Islam is false because it affirms the inspiration, preservation, authority of our scriptures. Either way, Islam has to be false. In other It's so simple, guys.

[00:14:34]Your Quran Your Quran affirms texts that contradict the Quran on basic doctrines.

[00:14:43]So, if you want to remain a Muslim in spite of this, you either have to say that the Quran doesn't contradict the previous scriptures, so this you'd have to try and harmonize them and say, "Oh, okay. Well, we just have to reinterpret what the Quran is saying here and that brings it in line with the Bible." So, you either show that the Quran doesn't contradict the previous scriptures or you have to say or you have to say the Quran isn't affirming them.

[00:15:06]The problem there is you've got dozens of verses in the Quran where Allah is affirming our scriptures. So, if you say it's not, you have to reinterpret all of those verses and say they mean something else. And you have to go to verses that aren't saying our scriptures been corrupted and twist them into saying it.

[00:15:21]And what you're doing there, you're you're you're you're doing everything the Quran accuses Jews and Christians of doing. In other words, if you want to try to escape the dilemma, you have to misrepresent your scriptures. You have to. You have to twist and distort them, and Allah says you better not do that.

[00:15:34]You better not twist and distort the Quran, but you have to in order to try to avoid the Islamic dilemma. So, point is you're just stuck, and the only way out of it is to leave Islam.

[00:15:47]I must say this is the best explanation of the Islamic dilemma. Yeah. Someone needs to screenshot this and send it to Mike Winger just unexplained. Just >> [laughter] >> Just just an email of just this.

[00:15:59]Don't say anything.

[00:16:00]Mike Winger will be like, "Wow, they're talking about me. Ooh, I'll share this at the at the Star Trek convention with my Spock ears."

[00:16:07]I think this is the best uh explanation of the Islamic dilemma. In fact, I'm thinking of writing a book just with this here.

[00:16:13]So, if I wrote a book about the Islamic dilemma, this is what it would look basically look like.

[00:16:17]However, if you want an actual book of what the of if you want an actual book about the Islamic dilemma, go into the description right now at the bottom, click the link, and get Chris's book Islamic dilemma, which you can see right here on screen. Move it over a little bit. Move it over there.

[00:16:34]Right here. Right here. You can get this right here in the description. Get it right now.

[00:16:41]Love that little advert there. Thank you, AP.

[00:16:44]>> [laughter] >> You're very welcome.

[00:16:47]That's what we do.

[00:16:48]He answered you. No, it is not a correction. Muhammad is ignorant of what is in the previous scriptures and only going by word of mouth. Here's an example. The example is what you brought up in the Hadith that you had no idea about. The Hadith says that you're the referring to, it says that the Jews used to recite the Torah in Hebrew and then explain it in Arabic. Okay.

[00:17:10]>> So, where do you get the Hadith from?

[00:17:12]Let me finish, bro.

[00:17:13]Let me finish. Let me finish. Okay. You have 20 seconds. Go on speak.

[00:17:18]>> I appreciate it. So, according to the Hadith that you brought up, it destroys you because it shows that they're hearing by word of mouth. They're having the Torah explained to them in Arabic by some of the Jews. Then in response, Muhammad says, "Don't believe what they say, nor disbelieve what they say, but in response say, We believe in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to you." So, they can't trust the Jews on if they're lying or not of what their scripture say because they don't know it. They don't know the scriptures themselves. They're only going by word of mouth. So, Muhammad's not correcting nothing. He's ignorant of the scriptures. Okay. So, I've let you speak. You did. It's my turn to Thank you. I appreciate it. Finally.

[00:17:54]Yeah. Fine. By the way, don't forget that Muhammad point.

[00:17:57]Because I want I'm going to show you that Mujahid is the one who said Give me a second. Let me speak.

[00:18:03]Let This is very very funny. It was Muhammad Hijab's own piece of um It was It was Muhammad Hijab himself who argued from the Hadith that um that it says um that you know, we neither believe nor disbelieve the Jews and Christians, but his point was actually that that it that this is what it says about the scripture.

[00:18:24]About the scripture, about the Torah and the Injil, about the the the previous scriptures, about the Bible. And Scott Logical correctly points out that this is not what the Hadith actually says.

[00:18:36]It says that um Muslims should neither believe nor disbelieve the Christians and the Jews, Right.

[00:18:43]Right. Because that's that's what the Quran actually says. So, it's interesting because all these passages about Jews and Christians distorting the scriptures, it's not talking about us altering the text. It's just talking about us misrepresenting, misunderstanding, even lying about our scriptures. And so, if a Jew or a Christian is talking to a Muslim and says, "Hey, here's what our book says.

[00:19:06]Don't say you believe it or don't say you you don't believe it because you you don't know if this person selling you don't have the text in front of you. You don't know if the person is telling the truth or not. And so, what do you say?

[00:19:17]You say, "I believe in what was revealed to you. I believe in your scripture.

[00:19:20]That's what I believe in. I don't I don't I don't I I don't accept or reject what you're saying because I don't know, but I do know I believe in your book." Let me point out something very very important here. So, this is the Hadith in question. Uh The people of the book used to read the Torah in Hebrew and then explain it in Arabic to the Muslims. Allah's messenger said to the Muslims, "Do not believe the people of the book, nor disbelieve them.

[00:19:51]But say, "We believe in Allah and whatever is revealed to us and whatever is revealed to you." So, Mohammed Hijab and other Muslims like him want to bring this Hadith to argue that Mohammed actually told them not to believe or disbelieve in the scriptures.

[00:20:11]That's not what the Hadith says. It says, "Do not believe the people of the book." So, do not believe the Jews in this case or the Christians.

[00:20:19]But, say, "We believe in Allah and whatever is revealed to us." So, the Quran, "and whatever is revealed to you." There is something very, very important here. So, whatever is revealed to you is the scriptures, the Torah and the Gospel as the Quran identifies them.

[00:20:35]But, whatever is revealed to you, the people in Mohammed's presence are the Jews of the time and the Christians of the time.

[00:20:45]What was revealed to them specifically, to those people, is what Muslims are supposed to believe in besides the Quran. Yeah.

[00:20:54]>> What was revealed to those people who are in the presence of uh of Mohammed, to those Jews and the Christians? What was in their presence? It is exactly the Bible, the biblical text we have today.

[00:21:08]I don't know, Sam. Mohammed himself told Muslims that they are to believe in the scripture, the Bible, that we have today.

[00:21:22]Yeah. And also, wouldn't it be really weird if Mohammed just kept going around calling the corrupted scripture the Torah? Like, wouldn't that be Like, imagine if I thought the Quran was like corrupted and definitely not what Allah orig- like gave Mohammed. And then I'm like, "Hey, Muslims, you need to believe in the Quran." And [laughter] then it turns out actually I don't mean the Quran you have. I just never clarified. I I should keep the corrupted version you have and the original I keep referring to by the exact same name.

[00:21:53]Isn't that like the most deceptive thing you could think of? Wouldn't you think I'd clarify and I'd say, "The book you have, which is not actually the Torah." And now I'm just going to keep calling it the Torah.

[00:22:04]Yeah, let's confuse everyone.

[00:22:06]I would call it the fake [music] Torah.

[00:22:07]Exac- Exactly. It's as simple as that, but he never does. Never does.

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