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Added: 2026-05-01

[00:00:00]Is Satoshi himself about to be rug pulled? Including Satoshi's entire stack of over 1 million coins. They've probably been running nodes for a very long time, but this is their first moment publicly saying it.

[00:00:11]>> The Ethereum network is on par with Tether. They are freezing money. Like it sounds like a movie that we would see with all your favorite actors. It's just I like I can't believe this is real.

[00:00:28]Is Satoshi himself about to be rug pulled? There's a new proposal on the table from Bitcoin developers that seek to freeze quantum vulnerable wallets, including Satoshi's entire stack of over 1 million coins. Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of Bitcoin Banter.

[00:00:43]Tony is on the road, so I have Adam and Sophie with me today. Don't forget to stick around to the end for our donkey of the week segment. Alrighty guys, let's jump into BIP 361. So, Cypherpunk Jameson Lopp and other Bitcoin developers proposed BIP 361 to freeze quantum vulnerable wallets, which could lock Satoshi Nakamoto's 1.1 million coins now worth $74 billion.

[00:01:05]Sophie, I would love for you to give your assessment of what's going on. I I I want to understand what the motivation behind this BIP might be. I think we're all probably going to be approximately in agreement. Yeah, that was actually my question as well. Um last week, you know, I'm I'm talking about this with you guys and I'm totally opposed to it because I don't think that any one person has the right to kind of make this type of unilateral decision. That's not the spirit of Bitcoin. That's not why we all got into this. But I also just want to understand the reasons why.

[00:01:40]Like is this going to really make it quantum proof or is that just a theory?

[00:01:44]It kind of seems to me that we won't really know until it happens. And if and when quantum becomes a threat, it's going to like the the solution is going to come. And don't forget that if quantum really is this threat that people are saying it is, we have much bigger problems than the Bitcoin network or these wallets getting hacked, right?

[00:02:10]Like we have national security that we have to basically completely rewire if if this is going to be a problem, right?

[00:02:19]So, I I'm still against it. I still don't think that it's the time or the place or the person to to take this decision. So, yeah, that's that's kind of my two cents about it or two cents.

[00:02:33]>> Adam, [clears throat] I've got my thoughts on what the motivation here is.

[00:02:37]And I think they're one of two, but I'm going to save that until after I hear your initial reaction to this.

[00:02:42]Well, I'd love to hear that, too, cuz I don't I don't know what your thoughts are on that. Um and I haven't quite made up my mind on where I think this is all coming from because I think ultimately this is actually pretty ridiculous in my opinion. I And I think that they have to know this.

[00:02:56]Um so I do think that there might be something else there. Um one of the interesting things that I saw somebody say, and I apologize I can't give them credit cuz I don't remember who it was, but they essentially just said, you know, if they can freeze Satoshi's coins, they can freeze your coins, you know? So, keep that in mind. Um you know, that's I think that this in my opinion is a fairly slippery slope. And I definitely don't support it. That's my own personal opinion. Um but I also think that this is just outright ridiculous. I also think this is a signal that kind of implicates some of the other things a lot of these proponents have been pushing. And I'll let, you know, the audience make up their own mind there. I don't want to make it up anybody's opinions for them.

[00:03:37]Um but I think that, you know, Jameson Lopp and crew, uh let's just put it that way. You know, they've been pushing a lot of things lately. And um I think that this is a good example of one of the the very obvious reasons why some of the stuff that they push is so ridiculous. And so, you know, I hate to like, I don't know, lump people into categories, but this is at least a red flag to say, "Hey, the stuff that, you know, Jameson Lopp and crew are pushing is kind of ridiculous. And here's a very clear example of why."

[00:04:10]Yeah. So, I I come into this with maybe a bit of an advantage because I just had Jimmy Song on the podcast yesterday, so we had a conversation about this. So, one of the reasons I think they could be pushing something like BIP 361 is because they're worried it's an economic reason. They're worried that Satoshi's coins are going to be hacked, stolen in some way, and they're going to dump a million coins on the market and the price is going to crash once quantum comes to to fruition.

[00:04:36]I think that's maybe the more generous explanation. I think the less generous explanation would be I just think some of these people are bad actors. And they don't like Bitcoin or they're being paid to do something to Bitcoin.

[00:04:47]I don't necessarily have a strong opinion. I mean, obviously I think the the economic incentive is is there to want to freeze his coins. However, Jimmy made a great point about that, and he said, you know, to assume that they're just going to dump a million coins on the market is it's a it's a big assumption, right? Like they might have a private buyer ready to scoop these up in in a, you know, Chinese central bank or something like that. You you never know. But also, I'm not really worried about quantum anyway. I think it's it could possibly come in the future, and I think any drastic measure to to protect against it today is just kind of overblown. That's that's my personal opinion. Any any comments on that? I agree. I think it sets a kind of a dangerous precedent because quantum is not that big of a deal right now. Like you said, it is overblown, and it's kind of like going a little too far. And so, you have to question the incentives of people who want this to happen and what's in it for them. Yeah, that's a good that's a good way of saying it.

[00:05:45]Adam, were you going to say something?

[00:05:47]Yeah, I'm just going to say, I mean, there are there are there's no limit to the amount of solutions we have to this problem. And we already have a lot of really good solutions that have been proposed. And we don't need to freeze Satoshi's coins to be quantum resistant, in my opinion. I mean, the Satoshi's coins may be vulnerable, um at least to certain quantum attacks.

[00:06:05]And I'll I'll be the first to admit, I'm not a quantum expert. I don't think any of these people are. I don't think, you know, it's my it's my opinion that it's it's likely that most people, even the experts, don't fully understand the implications of quantum. Um you know, obviously I'm pretty low on that list, but my point is, like Sophie said earlier, you know, there's uh you know, there's there's a lot behind the whole quantum thing that is is going to be a bigger problem than you know, Satoshi's coins being hacked. So, you know, in in that case, I think that in my, you know, uneducated mind, I would say that, you know, there are a lot of cascading implications of of a quantum hack or or quantum being able to to to perform this type of attack on these quantum resistant addresses. Um I think that before we get to that point, there's going to be a lot of other cascading problems that lead us up to that. And we'll have plenty of time uh to to more adequately plan. But like I said, my point is, I think we already have measures in place, um and they've already been presented um that are not the same proposal. So. No, I think you're right. I think one one other comment on this, I'm a big fan of private property rights. And if you had an HOA that arbitrarily froze one person from selling their home within a subdivision, you'd say that that's a violation of their property rights, the right to transact freely. And this to me is no different. And people don't necessarily have equal opportunities to sell their coins at a particular time.

[00:07:34]You could be incarcerated, unconscious, uh have lost the key but eventually find it, right? And so, like there are a dozen reasons why you might want to move your coins again in the future. And I think this is just a pathetic attempt at uh either something very bad or, you know, protecting people against from themselves, which I don't think is necessary. Hey guys, if you are enjoying the show, do me a huge favor, smash the like button, make sure you're subscribed. We'd really appreciate that.

[00:07:58]Guys, this next Not real surprising to me, but the fact that it's public is pretty pretty amazing. So, a US admiral has said that the United States is now running its own Bitcoin node. He says, "We have a node on the Bitcoin network. We're doing a number of operational tests to to secure and protect networks using the Bitcoin protocol." Adam, as a former spook yourself, I would love to hear your assessment of what this means. Is it significant? Do you care? Do you think this is like, you know, obviously they're running a node. What's your take? Yeah, kind of actually all the above. And yeah, I'm former military.

[00:08:36]I trained at some of the same facilities as Jason Lowry, which I think is a big driver behind a lot of this. So, um you know, shout out and props to him. But, you know, credit where it's due, I should say. He's he's got his fair share of haters, though. So, I'm sure there's going to be plenty of commentary on that. But my point is, I think that this is significant to this in the sense that the government is at this point, um you know, overtly, you know, kind of driving this message. It's no longer, you know, under wraps, so to speak. I think that, you know, they've probably been running nodes for a very long time.

[00:09:12]But this is their first moment of them coming out and publicly saying it. And I think that's a big deal, right? Because they're now what they're saying is, you know, the government is now, you know, understanding this this protocol and this process. They're studying it. Um and they're letting the the public know uh that it's it's significant and important. And that's that's basically what this gentleman just said um is that, you know, it is a matter of national importance, right? So, I think that part is what is significant. But I I think it is a little bit naive to think that this is like their first dipping their toe in the water into Bitcoin. I might do think that they've been at least privy to it for a lot longer than they've let on to believe.

[00:09:54]Sophie, what What do you think? The uh government's a client of the Bitcoin way, it seems. I think Tony might have trained them up on this.

[00:10:00]>> [laughter] >> Wow, yeah. I think there's two ways to kind of see this. The first way is kind of like the ultimate bending of the knee, right? If they're running a node, then they must believe that it is worth sustaining the Bitcoin network. That if everything went wrong, at least they are part of, you know, this the the the people, the millions of people around the world who can sustain a Bitcoin network through a node. So, um there's that way of seeing it. And then there's the skeptical way of seeing it, right?

[00:10:33]And the skeptical way of seeing it is like, you know, the CIA didn't invent Bitcoin, but they wish they did. And now they want to crack it or now they want to figure out some way to control it because the Bitcoin is such a threat to the dollar. Um and I still think that maybe in their naivety they think that they might be able to do that by running a node and understanding how it works, understanding how this whole thing functions. Um and so I do have to like kind of look at it uh skeptically in that regard.

[00:11:03]Or, you know, best-case scenario, we're going to a million. And, you know, the Bitcoin the government is actually taking Bitcoin seriously and we're going to have a strategic reserve and, you know, we'll live happily ever after.

[00:11:15]But, that's usually not the way it goes.

[00:11:17]So, you got to you got to look at it both ways.

[00:11:21]Yeah, no, I I I think that's that's a fair way of looking at it. I I I don't really know I mean, on one hand I think this is like a pretty interesting thing and maybe an encouragement to people who have been sitting on the sidelines aren't Anytime people in power talk about Bitcoin, I feel like if especially when it's affirming and it's not scaring people away, I think that's, you know, great to hear. I don't really care about the government running a node other than the marketing that it provides. Folks who are maybe a little more reluctant to to engage with Bitcoin. Um I mean, the the interesting thing is they're running a node, but the What was the uh What was that case? The US Marshals lost like tons of Bitcoin because the custodian that they were holding it with It's like So, was the custodian pointing to their node or do they just have a start nine server sitting in at the Pentagon doing nothing, not not really connected to a wallet or anything? I I I don't know what they're actually doing with this node. That's what I'd like to know. Um but what I do know is that they're not in self-custody. Everyone should be. So, if you aren't If you're listening, go to the bitcoinway.com/podcast.

[00:12:22]Make sure you schedule some time with our team. We can help you run a node just like the US government, uh but we'll actually help you take self-custody of your Bitcoin, too, which is obviously much, much more important uh than very important compared to keeping it at Coinbase or any of those uh crappy places. All righty, guys. This is uh scary from Christine Lagarde. Uh unsurprising, though. She's warning of possible food rationing due to fertilizer disruptions.

[00:12:46]>> The third of the fertilizers is shipped through the Strait of Hormuz.

[00:12:58]Now, that is also at risk. Yes.

[00:13:01]Um would be nice if perhaps we weren't at war is sort of my first takeaway cuz it used to be open, the strait. But uh Sophie, why don't you take this one first? Do you think this is fear-mongering? Do you think she's telegraphing what they're planning on doing anyway? What's What's the What's the play here? Well, um on the show we call Christine Lagarde uh Opti's ex-girlfriend, so, you know, she's just trying to to get back at all of us. And um yeah, it would be great if we weren't at war, but it would also be great if Christine Lagarde wasn't the person who's standing in the way of the EU adopting Bitcoin. She's been trying to push a CBDC being created in the EU since October. She said it was going to happen, it never actually did. Um but she's she's I it makes me wonder, you know, if they did have Bitcoin when they were charging a toll for $2 million a shipment, would have they been able to kind of like get over this, right? So, she's she's claiming like, "Oh, a third of the fertilizers are shipped through the Strait of Hormuz. Like, we're going to starve." And it's like, "Yeah, but you're not helping." Like, you don't have any provisions to help us get through this. You're part of the system that puts sanctions on other countries so that they have to like look for other revenues and ways to be able to have leverage on the countries that are terrorizing them. So, you know, I it kind of just goes to show that centralization doesn't always work.

[00:14:31]Having one method of currency like it doesn't work, you know? You you have to make it fair for all the countries and just having a small sect of them that are going to, you know, control everything, it puts you in this situation because when the tables turn, you're stuck in a situation like this.

[00:14:50]Yeah, absolutely. Uh Adam, what do you think about Christine Lagarde? Gen- Generally and the specific comment.

[00:14:57]You know, I think uh I'll save my general comments of Christine Lagarde for another episode. I'll take I'll take care of that in a minute. You You give your thoughts on this particular story.

[00:15:06]On this particular story, so I This is my my opinion. My general impression is that uh food rationing and fertilizer disruptions are just two uh items on a very long list of in the short term. Um and I I think that this is more or less just a distraction.

[00:15:28]And I And I know there's it's there's way more to it than that, but um if we if we look at the root cause of of all of this, it is uh you know, they're all economic um catastrophes that come back to the root cause of a broken money. And I think that, you know, the the shutdown of the Strait of Hormuz, this is really just a a um you know, a good explanation to to the world for why these things are happening that doesn't point directly back to the money. Right? Christine Lagarde isn't going to come up there and say, "Hey, you know, our our money is broken and that is why we're having all these problems." No, she's going to get up there and point to some very specific thing. And I believe it was the same thing that happened with COVID. You know, it was it was, you know, uh leading up to COVID, the writing was on the wall. You know, all these things were were coming to a close anyway, and COVID just happened to be the perfect scapegoat. And so I think more than anything, the Strait of Hormuz being shut down is a scapegoat for a lot of the economic uh woes and catastrophes that we're seeing today. Um same with a lot of uh the conflict, um not just in the Middle East, but also Russia, Ukraine, um and all over the world. Um but these things are are pointed to by our government, by our our media, to try to distract us from the real reason for why a lot of these things are happening. And so And this isn't new, either. This isn't modern, right? As as money dies, as as moneys have died, as regimes have collapsed over time in history, it there's always a major war. Look at any major war, they're always preceded by economic collapse.

[00:17:06]And so, you know, whether or not it's a, you know, the chicken or the egg, um it it one always leads to the other. And so I think that that's really what we're seeing is just an inevitable uh conclusion of the economic um struggles and the economic failures that we're seeing in the world. And the Strait of Hormuz just happens to get the headline.

[00:17:27]I I think that makes sense. It was It was the Do you guys remember the Putin's price hike when inflation took off and they forgot that they'd printed $6 trillion and that was the obvious underlying cause of of inflation and they they blamed the war in Ukraine for uh you know, 9% inflation or whatever. I mean, it's it's crazy. These people are are absolutely evil.

[00:17:47]All right, speaking of the Strait of Hormuz, guys, be careful out there.

[00:17:50]Don't trust, verify. An Indian tanker paid a crypto bribe to a a fake IRGC and got shot at by the real IRGC. So, he paid in Tether to a scammer. He thought he was paying to get through the Strait of Hormuz. And when he hadn't paid the actual IRGC, they started shooting at him. Fifth Army, Fifth Army, this is motor vessel Marida. YOU GIVE ME CLEARANCE to go. My name second on your list.

[00:18:18]You give me clearance to go. YOU ARE FIRING NOW. LET ME TURN BACK. Don't trust, verify is the lesson here. But uh also crazy that this is even a thing that he thought he was supposed to be paying in in some form of crypto.

[00:18:30]Uh Sophie, what do you think about this?

[00:18:32]When don't trust, verify becomes life or death, literally. Um yeah, I think I think in the future we're going to be seeing a lot of this um through scammers. But man, these scammers need to like go to jail or something. Like, they they they really need to get caught. Like, they Nothing makes me angrier than people scamming other people. I just I had a really bad experience, not myself, but a family member, and so therefore by extension me, with scammers, and it just it really sucks. And so I can't imagine the confusion of this guy, you know, saying, "Okay, we paid, we're good to go." And then all of a sudden like, Jesus Christ. I would I would have I I have no words for this. I mean, I guess that's what that's the learning curve that people are taking in this new world of paying things through crypto.

[00:19:25]Um but but, you know, we'll learn. The consequences are real and uh the consequences will be the thing that helps people learn the quickest. Yeah, I'm laughing. It's sad. I can't imagine actually being in that situation, but it all >> Yeah, like I'm laughing, but it's so bad. Like, that's so scary, actually. It But it sounds like a comedy. Like, it sounds like a movie that we would see with all your favorite actors and one of them shooting like I mean, it's just I like I can't believe this is real. Adam, any any final comments on this story? Yeah, I just say as far as I'm aware the IRGC is not taking USDT and the reason why is because it's censorable. So, if somebody if you find yourself in the Strait of Hormuz and somebody's asking you for, you know, a couple million dollars of USDT to pass through, just understand that's probably not the real deal because they want Bitcoin. And it's backed by the debt that is funding war efforts. So, it's a lot of reasons why why Iran would not accept USDT. So, I think prudent advice, listen, if if you're listening to this, take it take Adam's advice, do not do not first of all, don't find yourself in the Strait of Hormuz, but if you do, make sure you're not using USDT, carry your cold card with you, send them some Bitcoin.

[00:20:39]All righty, guys. This month alone, the month of April, crypto has lost 605 million to hacks. Scammers are everywhere. 12 exploits over 18 days.

[00:20:48]The top two alone were 578 million. And it says, "These are not smart contract bugs, just compromised keys and forged bridge messages."

[00:20:57]Man, I I'm glad I got out of crypto.

[00:21:01]Being a toxic Bitcoin maxi makes a lot of sense these days. Adam, what's your what's your take on all this? I told you offline, by the way, I look at these names like I don't even know what any of these things are. I just know what they're crypto projects and they they keep getting scammed or They're like they're like embarrassing usernames from the early 2000s. Like I feel like I'm looking at like my old AIM friends.

[00:21:23]HyperBridge.

[00:21:25]>> [laughter] >> Zarian.

[00:21:27]Adam, what do you think?

[00:21:28]Yeah, if you look at the explanation, which I'm very thankful for this poster putting the the parentheses you know, explanation there forged by a layer zero messages admin key takeover hot wallet breach fake collateral collateral so on and so forth. Um you know, all you know, things that essentially uh don't relate in any way shape or form to Bitcoin. Now, I will say there are there's like a fished one on here. So, you know, there there could be some potential risk there, but my point is these these these complicated protocols have so much surface area for attack that it leads to this, right? 650 million dollars in hacks. Um and you know, Bitcoin's simple, right? Sometimes people say Bitcoin's too simple, but there's a reason for that. It's because Bitcoin doesn't have this layer zero messages. It doesn't have you know, these admin key takeovers or you know, this cross-chain forgery. None of this exists in Bitcoin, guys.

[00:22:29]Um and so, you know, the only way that somebody can take your Bitcoin is if you give them your keys somehow, right? You if you're storing your keys properly, if you have it offline, if you follow the Bitcoin way, right? You're going to be taking care of your keys in a in the proper way and the only way somebody can ever take that Bitcoin from you is if you give them permission to do so, whether you do intentionally or not, right? You can of course, you know, fall into a fishing hack um or a trap, right?

[00:22:56]But um more than anything, you know, this stuff does not apply to Bitcoiners. This applies to you know, the crypto ecosystem and and the complexity there.

[00:23:06]Um and so, I think that's really the message here. Bitcoin only and you can avoid all of this.

[00:23:12]Yeah, absolutely. I think you hit the nail on the head. Bitcoin is very complicated technically if you are looking at the cryptography and like certain aspects of each mechanism, but when it comes together, it's a pretty simple thing. Like go read Inventing Bitcoin and you'll understand fundamentally how Bitcoin works even if you can't you can't explain elliptic curve cryptography or something like that.

[00:23:32]Um these I just I can't even get my head around what exactly they're supposed to be doing and I think that's the whole problem. Tons of points of exposure.

[00:23:39]Sophie, what do you what's your take here? Yeah, to add to Adam's point, Bitcoin only and Bitcoin in self-custody avoids all of these things. Um because even with the Zarian example, the fishing uh you can avoid a lot of that if you have your Bitcoin in cold storage and you make it kind of semi-complicated for yourself to uh withdraw that Bitcoin and send it to somebody else.

[00:24:07]Um so, yeah, like being a Bitcoin maxi, toxic Bitcoin maxi, it it's annoying. I get it, but it's like when your parents tell you to eat your vegetables. Like you do it because it's good for you. You don't do it because it tastes good or it's convenient or whatever, but you do it because you want to be stronger, you want to be in a good position, you want to be healthy. And that's kind of what Bitcoin is. All of these other coins are basically junk food. You want to get, you know, the quick high, the quick release of dopamine and you don't actually realize the consequences down the line until you get sick or you're dead. So, that's kind of like the the analogy that I would make if you don't really understand much of this, don't do shitcoins. They're bad for you.

[00:24:54]Absolutely. You sell your shitcoins, swap it into Bitcoin, go to the bitcoinway.com/podcast, schedule some time with our team. We will help you run a node just like the US government and take self-custody so you don't have to worry about any of these things including fishing attacks.

[00:25:07]You you aren't susceptible to those things because you know that your Bitcoin's in cold storage, you don't have to think about it. It's it's beautiful.

[00:25:14]All righty, guys. We have finally arrived at our donkey of the week. So, I guess the donkey here is is Vitalik because he's he's claimed that this is like a a highly decentralized L2 of Ethereum.

[00:25:28]So, the largest Ethereum layer two, which has been regularly praised by Vitalik as the most decentralized, just froze 100 million dollars worth of ETH that was hacked by criminals. We've seen this before on the base layer of Ethereum, I believe, uh years ago. And uh Twitter here says, "Are you start Are you finally starting to realize the Bitcoin maxis were right?"

[00:25:50]Sophie, I mean this is this is sort of a a perfect segue from our last story.

[00:25:54]It's just like it's all chaos over there in cryptoland. What's your what's your thought on this? Yeah, it's a perfect segue from our last story. Again, you know, when you are moving from the dollar because you're being inflated and you know, it's a centralized currency and you just move to another centralized currency which can also be inflated, you kind of got to wonder like what are you doing, you know? Um and it also ties into uh the first story. The VIP 361, it this is what like this is what you're looking at when you're able to freeze your coins. Here, you know, they're doing it with good intentions, but you also got to wonder if you're holding Ethereum, why can they freeze my coins? Have they been Have they been able to do this the entire time? And what happens when they want to do it for malicious intentions?

[00:26:47]You know, who who's to know when someone's morality or their mind changes? Um so, it it it's all full circle and again, you know, you want to stay away from these shitcoins. You want to have your Bitcoin in self-custody and then you're not going to have any problems. Then you don't have to understand terms like L2 and uh DeFi and so on and so forth. You could just, you know, live your happy life and go out in the sun and touch grass.

[00:27:15]Sophie, you made a great point. Um and that is that uh we see two examples of people I think what what what looks like people trying to accomplish a very similar objective. You've got this Ethereum layer two which basically is freezing or seizing people's funds, right?

[00:27:36]And the difference the key difference different differentiator here is that this is unilateral, right? Somebody somebody at the at the at the center of the circle is making that decision. With VIP 361, with Bitcoin specifically, they have to convince the entire ecosystem and the entire network to adopt it, right? It is up to us, right? We don't have to run VIP 361. We can if we want to, but they have to convince all of us to steal somebody or freeze somebody's coins.

[00:28:06]With, you know, Ethereum, as we saw with Ethereum the Ethereum classic fork, um they did it unilaterally. Right here, we have a layer two, which I understand is a little bit different, um but with Ethereum, they can do this unilaterally.

[00:28:19]With Bitcoin, you can't. Everybody has to agree to these types of changes on Bitcoin. I think that's that's pretty cool. Yeah, I think that was a very important distinction. I just saw something really funny on Twitter. I just sent it to you, Michael. WatchGuru tweeted saying, "Tether freezes 344 million dollars in USDT following request by US law enforcement."

[00:28:42]>> [snorts] >> "Stablecoins are the best form of money." Brian Armstrong, less than 24 hours ago. You literally can't make this up. The Ethereum network is on par with Tether and they're freezing money. Like you can't do this on a Bitcoin network.

[00:29:00]That's what people need to understand.

[00:29:02]And Bitcoin, no matter what other projects or ICOs or whatever like they tell you, they're going to sell you the stars and the moon and tell you that it's better than Bitcoin in every single way, but guess what? It all boils down to this.

[00:29:16]This is the one thing that Bitcoin cannot do. You can't freeze someone's money unless you you can't freeze money unless you command it to or you program it to and from your own wallet. You know, you could time delay it or whatever, but you can't freeze it. You can't do what these other coins are doing. So, I just think that this is fascinating.

[00:29:37]Um there there's definitely a trend here and I think that if people pay attention, they're going to start to realize that, you know, Bitcoin is king and this is why. They're going to run into more scenarios that show you why.

[00:29:52]That is a great place to wrap up. Thank you guys for this fantastic conversation. Adam, why don't you tell people where they can find you first and then we'll we'll round it out. Yeah, I'm usually on X at Adam Semeka. Thank you so much for having Michael. Sophie, it's great to chat with you, too.

[00:30:08]Hey, tell them about Mana.

[00:30:09]>> Same here. Yeah, so Mana is a self-custodial layer two wallet and payment platform for Bitcoin only. If you're interested in making payments, sending or receiving Bitcoin, Mana is a cool option to check out.

[00:30:22]Perfect. Sophie, tell them where they can find you. You guys can find me on Simply Bitcoin's YouTube channel. You can also find me on Rumble doing an exclusive show for Satoshi once a week and you can follow me on Twitter at Internet Sophie. Noe at the end. And for all of our listeners, thanks for tuning in. If you've made it this far and you have not smashed the like button, how dare you? Let's make sure you smash the like button, subscribe to the channel, anything you can do to feed the algorithm, we would really really appreciate it. We'll be back next time.

[00:30:52]I think Sophie's going to be back next week, maybe. I think Tony's done traveling, but Adam, thank you so much for joining, man. We'll have you back on again soon. Thanks again. Cheers, guys.