Catholic Phil Bro STRUGGLES To Answer How God Can Die!

Added: 2026-06-04

[00:00:05]Hello. Hello. Can you hear me?

[00:00:06]>> I can hear you.

[00:00:08]>> Hello. How are you doing, man?

[00:00:10]>> I'm good. Did your God die?

[00:00:13]>> Um in a sense of communications of idiom, sure.

[00:00:19]>> So, why did you have to clarify the communicatio idiomata?

[00:00:23]>> Oh, ball ball knowledge. Um yeah, because we wouldn't necessarily say he died qua divine nature.

[00:00:28]>> Well, you don't need to clarify that.

[00:00:30]It's already implied.

[00:00:33]>> And yeah, but we wouldn't say that God necessarily died like and his divine nature he didn't die. We would say that.

[00:00:38]>> I know, but like what what are you like trying to show off like knowledge gap or something?

[00:00:43]>> No, no, no, no, no. I I know for a fact you know that, so I was just clarifying.

[00:00:46]I know for a fact probably know more than a more more my position than I know my position. Of course, I'm not I know I know I'm not smarter than you, of course.

[00:00:54]>> Well, no, you don't have to say that.

[00:00:56]I'm just saying like >> Well, I mean, but like we all know it.

[00:00:59]>> weird why you have to clarify that. But anyways, nice to set the point.

[00:01:03]So, >> Of course.

[00:01:05]>> How would you define um death?

[00:01:08]>> Uh separation from soul from body.

[00:01:12]>> Is that all that death normatively is?

[00:01:15]>> Um yeah, I mean it is uh I mean like what what would you take it like like what else?

[00:01:21]>> Well, when someone >> knowledge.

[00:01:24]>> So, when someone normatively dies, they lose control over their bodily and life functions. That is to say, when someone dies or when their soul leaves their body, they no longer can control their body.

[00:01:35]They can't talk anymore. They can't speak. They can't open up their eyes, change positions.

[00:01:40]>> They lose control and sovereignty over their own life functions, right?

[00:01:45]>> Yes.

[00:01:45]>> Okay. Did Jesus go through that?

[00:01:48]>> Uh yeah, Jesus died like any regular person would.

[00:01:51]>> So, Jesus lost control over his body?

[00:01:54]>> Um I mean, yeah, soul separated. Soul separated from body. But of course in reference to like we would say like that to divine nature still like we would say like still was connected to Um the soul body.

[00:02:08]>> So so God lost control over his body?

[00:02:12]>> No, we would say that the the human nature um like like in reference to the human person it would just like you know just be soul from body. So of course in a sense you could say lost control.

[00:02:23]Um but again we wouldn't say it's like the fully divine.

[00:02:26]>> Okay, so >> Sorry, I'm I'm not I'm not getting a clear answer. Did Jesus die like everyone else died?

[00:02:32]>> Yes.

[00:02:33]>> Okay. And when people die they lose control over their bodily and life functions, right?

[00:02:40]>> Of course.

[00:02:41]>> So Jesus if he truly died and his death is not trivial then Jesus lost control over his bodily and life functions, right?

[00:02:49]>> Sure, is that Do you think that's problematic?

[00:02:51]>> So God can lose control over something?

[00:02:55]>> Um Well, let's let's make a clarification.

[00:02:57]We wouldn't say that like in a sense that in the human regard, right? Um we would say obviously, but then we can see that he is brought brought back to life. Like he's obviously like brought back to life. So when you we would say that.

[00:03:11]>> that's besides the point brought back to life or not.

[00:03:14]Did God lose control over something?

[00:03:18]>> Uh again, I would say no because he brought he was brought back to life.

[00:03:22]>> so he didn't actually die. He just pretended to close his eyes.

[00:03:24]>> No, of course he act Of course he actually died. I mean the soul separated from the body.

[00:03:28]>> So he actually lost control over his body then.

[00:03:31]>> I mean in the human regard absolutely.

[00:03:35]>> Okay, does that mean he did lose control?

[00:03:38]>> Again, the human human regard absolutely.

[00:03:40]>> So God lost control over his body?

[00:03:43]>> In the human regard.

[00:03:44]>> So what which means God lost control over something, right?

[00:03:48]>> Um No, again because we say we say the divine nature is still attached to the soul and body, so that's it's still in control of both of these things.

[00:03:55]>> So, he didn't lose control?

[00:03:58]>> Again, and and you're referencing control as um just him moving his body dead.

[00:04:04]>> So, it's either he had control over his body, meaning he could open his eyes, he could get up and walk if he wanted to, he could breathe if he wanted to, or not. Which one was it?

[00:04:15]>> Which um he didn't but wouldn't you agree that's a like that's like a not a human like function, something that's like in reference to a human nature?

[00:04:23]>> Jesus was a human, brother.

[00:04:26]>> Yeah, human like of course, but that would be in reference to his divine uh sorry, in reference to his human nature.

[00:04:30]>> Well, in ref in ref whatever it may be in reference to.

[00:04:33]Could Jesus when he was just listen, when he was on that cross hanging and he took his final breath and his oxygen stopped entering his body and his heart stopped beating and he closed his eyes.

[00:04:48]Could he have opened his eyes and just talked and say, "Hey guys, I'm still here." and waved his hand maybe?

[00:04:54]>> uh I apologize. I got So, what Let me just double check Let me just double check what you said. You say could Jesus just like like wake up and like say like, "Yo, what's good, guys?"

[00:05:03]at any point in time?

[00:05:03]>> Yeah, so was he just like just closing his eyes while actively being in control?

[00:05:08]>> was he was dead he was he was dead like any person would be, of course.

[00:05:11]>> have control over his body. He couldn't just open his eyes.

[00:05:13]>> In the human regard cuz we can't But would you agree that like in our position at least, we would still say that God had control over the the human or the supposed to be a human person?

[00:05:21]>> Well, that's well, that's what I'm saying. It's either he had control or he didn't. If he had control, then he didn't die and you fall into the heresy of um >> uh docetism, I think it is.

[00:05:32]>> Docetism, exactly, because he only appeared to die. So, then if he didn't actually lose control >> If he didn't actually lose control >> then all Jesus was doing was doing a theatrical performance. He just was up there and he pretended to close his eyes and give out, but really he he could have just just continued his bodily functions normally. He was just pretending.

[00:05:53]But if he did lose control and he did truly die in a real and non-trivial way, then he can't possibly be God and that that risks the heresy of adoptionism or Arianism. So either way >> Again, but I I would say two separate Oh, sorry. I didn't mean to I didn't mean to interrupt. I apologize.

[00:06:10]>> Go ahead.

[00:06:11]>> Um I didn't mean to interrupt. I apologize about that. Um I know I would Again, that's why I'm clarifying two uh two separate regards, right? We would say that in in reference like to the let's say the Father, right? Um like the Father still has control. Actually no, we can say divine essence. Divine essence um works here. We can say the divine essence still has control of over the human um like the person like in reference to the body. I mean the body here. Um and so we would say in reference to the human nature he's obviously dead, right? Um or soul from body. He lost the functions like you said earlier.

[00:06:39]>> you're you're you're just being very ambiguous.

[00:06:42]It's either the case It's either the case that he did have the control or he didn't.

[00:06:47]>> I Again, and I don't see how But of course we would say two separate regards. I don't see it like how it's like a like a true dichotomy in one sense or another.

[00:06:55]>> I don't know what it means to have control and not have it. So did he have it or not?

[00:06:59]>> Yeah, of course of course. In reference to the person it's Yeah, in reference to the human nature he did not have it at all.

[00:07:04]>> Okay. What does it mean in reference to the human nature he did?

[00:07:08]And in reference to the divine nature he did. What does that mean?

[00:07:11]>> Yeah, because we would still say in reference to the divine nature he was still attached to body and soul and he still had the ability to come back to life which he eventually did.

[00:07:19]>> did have control I'm not asking about coming back to life, brother.

[00:07:22]I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about >> that's that's how he had control. Okay, wait. Can I clarify? Wait, can I get a clarifier? Sure. I apologize. I just I just want to double check. And you mean control as in like like not even like coming back to like he just mean like able to control his body.

[00:07:37]>> Yes. Just bodily functions.

[00:07:39]>> Yeah, then then he did not have the >> Okay, so God lost control over something?

[00:07:45]>> Um and you would take this to be like just like just not being able to control the body.

[00:07:50]>> Yes.

[00:07:52]>> Um and this is where I'm confused on how this necessarily affects cuz again, it wouldn't be wouldn't say this is lost control cuz he's still >> Okay, it's either he lost it and he died or he didn't lose it and he didn't die.

[00:08:03]>> Yeah, I guess he lost control but we could still say that God had a connection to it through SE.

[00:08:07]>> Okay.

[00:08:08]If he lost control >> I'm saying, though?

[00:08:10]>> No, I don't. If he lost >> Okay, if he lost control he truly died then, but then he can't be God cuz God can't lose control over anything.

[00:08:21]>> Yeah, again and I I still wouldn't grant that all control is lost because again, even if we grant like obviously I grant that, of course.

[00:08:27]>> You wouldn't grant all control is lost?

[00:08:29]So some control is lost?

[00:08:30]>> Yeah, I and that and that's how I was clarifying. I I was clarifying cuz I was speaking too fast. Um of course I would grant like death as in separation of soul and body. But when we say control like we wouldn't say like the soul just disappears, so therefore we would say God supplies SE, right? So still applies like life to soul and body, right?

[00:08:48]Otherwise it would just like disappear, so there would still be control through the divine essence.

[00:08:51]>> So did he control did he still have control over his body or not?

[00:08:55]>> He Yeah, God still had dominion over the body, yeah. But like of course it was dead like any human person.

[00:09:00]>> So so he didn't die.

[00:09:01]>> That's what No, I That's not what I said.

[00:09:04]>> only pretended to close his eyes.

[00:09:06]>> That's not what I said. I I I know I apologize.

[00:09:09]>> So did he have the control or did he not?

[00:09:12]>> No, in reference like in when we talk about like bodily life he was like dead.

[00:09:16]Like >> Okay, I didn't ask So I just want to clarify.

[00:09:19]When he died, that means he lost control of his body, right?

[00:09:23]>> Yes, in reference to like >> Okay.

[00:09:25]>> No, not but yeah.

[00:09:26]>> So so God lost control.

[00:09:29]>> Again, we would be talking about personhood and like in reference to human nature. That's what I'm trying to explain.

[00:09:34]>> Brother, you you throwing you you throwing out personhood and stuff doesn't doesn't actually it's not informative.

[00:09:41]Did he lose the control over his body or not?

[00:09:44]>> Obviously in reference to his human nature. And I'm confused on what you mean by a god in this sense, right?

[00:09:49]>> if he lost control, then he then he isn't God, dude, cuz God can't lose control of anything.

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[00:10:39]>> Well, again, and that's and that's Of course. And I'm And I'm understanding that this is what I mean by like when we say when we say lost control, we would say that God still has dominion over the soul and body, right?

[00:10:50]>> say he lost control, what you mean is he didn't lose control.

[00:10:53]>> I I know I'm referencing the human nature.

[00:10:55]>> [clears throat] >> Cuz again, again, if my if you know you you know you knew my position instantly.

[00:11:01]Yeah, I mean you knew my position instantly.

[00:11:04]>> So, let let's let's try this again.

[00:11:07]Did the person lose control over his body or could the person control his body when he died?

[00:11:15]>> The person cannot control his body because he was dead like a regular person.

[00:11:19]>> So, the person lost control.

[00:11:23]Yes?

[00:11:25]>> Uh yes.

[00:11:26]>> So, God lost control over his body.

[00:11:31]>> And Oh my gosh, I've already explained this. We would say, "Sure." But we would say I mean I understand what you're saying. But we would say like dominion.

[00:11:39]We would say dominion. He still has dominion over body and soul.

[00:11:42]>> If he has dominion, then he didn't lose anything, dude. You're just con- No, of course. No, I'm saying he still has the he has power over. Like for example, um when I when I die, would you would you not grant that God has dominion over my soul?

[00:11:54]>> God, that's why God didn't die when you died. You died.

[00:11:59]Meaning look, when I >> Yeah, and again and you've already we've already explained that in reference to his human nature he died.

[00:12:04]>> Just look, Nathan. Right now, I have power over my body.

[00:12:08]I could put my hand up, down. I could speak. I could stop speaking. I could open my eyes wide. But when I die, I can't do any of these things anymore.

[00:12:19]>> do that. Yep.

[00:12:20]>> I don't have control. I don't have any more agency in my body.

[00:12:23]>> Yes.

[00:12:24]I I I understand that part. Yes.

[00:12:25]>> Okay, did Jesus go through that?

[00:12:28]>> Yes.

[00:12:29]>> So, he's not God.

[00:12:30]Because God can never lose agency and control over his body.

[00:12:34]>> Awesome. But again, that's why we always clarify in reference to his uh human nature. And you uh you agree when I say like and clarify >> You making it in reference to his human nature doesn't change anything.

[00:12:45]>> How?

[00:12:46]>> Because you you're still predicating of the person that he lost control.

[00:12:51]Whether it's in reference to his human nature or his divine nature or his watermelon nature, all of that is just excess gibberish. It doesn't actually change the fact that God underwent a process by which his cognitive abilities were suspended.

[00:13:08]>> Again, again, I I don't I don't I don't >> I don't affirm that position. I don't Again, I I don't think any change happened to the divine nature. I I've already explained this in reference to the person hurt through >> I didn't say any change happened to the divine >> Bro, what are you even talking about?

[00:13:21]>> did. You said it You said the divine nature went under went a process.

[00:13:24]>> I said the person underwent. Natures don't undergo anything. Keep You need to track, dude. So let's So let's try this again. Did the person of Jesus lose control after having control?

[00:13:39]>> Sorry, you got to repeat that. That That came out weird.

[00:13:42]>> So did the person of Jesus Christ, the second person in the Trinity, lose control over his body after once having control over his body?

[00:13:52]>> Yes, in reference to the human nature.

[00:13:54]How many times do I have to say that?

[00:13:56]>> So if he lost control over his body, then he's no longer divine and he can be divine because God can't lose control over anything.

[00:14:06]>> Again, did I say have I said once that the divine nature lost control? I've never said that.

[00:14:12]>> Natures don't Sir, sir, natures don't lose control or gain control because natures are not agents. Persons are agents.

[00:14:22]>> Okay, awesome. And then again, we would say that it's just a picture of like agents.

[00:14:26]>> I'm asking if the person lost >> could say the person overall, but again, we have to understand in regard or respect to what nature.

[00:14:33]>> fine. In respect to whatever nature you want, did he lose control?

[00:14:36]>> Awesome.

[00:14:37]Yes, in respect to a human nature.

[00:14:39]>> God lose control over anything?

[00:14:42]>> God still had dominion over both body and soul. I've already clarified that.

[00:14:46]>> lose control.

[00:14:47]>> In respect to the divine nature, he did not lose control.

[00:14:50]>> In respect to the divine nature, he didn't lose control. Okay, so he did control his body.

[00:14:54]>> Yes.

[00:14:55]In respect to the divine nature, sure.

[00:14:57]Again, we've already clarified communication of idioms.

[00:14:59]>> So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then So then >> In respect to his human nature, yes.

[00:15:08]This is not an issue.

[00:15:10]>> so Nathan Nathan, pay attention.

[00:15:13]It's either >> I'm paying attention, sir.

[00:15:14]>> It's either the divine agent underwent death by which he lost control or the divine agent did not undergo death and he kept the control. Which one is it?

[00:15:24]>> That's Okay, again, this is not a strict dichotomy. I've already explained this cuz >> It's literally a strict dichotomy.

[00:15:30]>> a strict dichotomy if if cuz there's two distinct respects. There's not one respect. So, it's not a It's not a strict dichotomy.

[00:15:35]>> saying it's two distinct respects doesn't actually make it two distinct respects. All you're saying >> Well, again, it's my You're taking my position. You cannot You have >> Can you stop cutting me off, man? Thank you, brother.

[00:15:47]So, you're saying it's two different respects doesn't actually solve the problem.

[00:15:52]Okay? You're saying Jesus lost control in his humanity that is just to say Jesus lost control in some respect. Yes?

[00:16:04]>> And he lost control in respect to his human nature, obviously. I agree with you.

[00:16:08]>> So, Jesus lost control over something.

[00:16:12]Right?

[00:16:12]>> to his human nature, of course.

[00:16:13]>> Can God Can God lose control over anything?

[00:16:17]>> In respect to his divine nature, absolutely not.

[00:16:19]>> I didn't ask I didn't ask in respect to his divine nature. Can the person >> Well, I was clarifying it.

[00:16:25]>> lose control over anything?

[00:16:28]>> Can the person God in reference to?

[00:16:32]>> Can he lose control over anything? Just anything.

[00:16:35]>> In respect to his divine nature, no.

[00:16:37]>> Can God Can God not be sovereign over something?

[00:16:41]>> In respect to his divine nature, he's always sovereign over everything.

[00:16:44]>> Okay, he's always sovereign. Okay, good.

[00:16:46]That means >> his divine nature, yeah.

[00:16:47]>> Okay, good. That means when he was crucified he stayed sovereign and in control over his body.

[00:16:54]Right?

[00:16:55]>> Uh yes, I've already clarified by dominion.

[00:16:57]>> he didn't die.

[00:16:58]>> I've already clarified dominion.

[00:16:59]>> So, So, he was just pretending to close his eyes.

[00:17:02]>> I didn't I didn't say that.

[00:17:03]>> Okay, so he wasn't >> dominion.

[00:17:05]>> So, he wasn't pretending to close his eyes?

[00:17:07]>> No, I've already clarified in respect to his human nature, he's actually granted that. I granted that.

[00:17:12]>> Okay, so then Jesus, the divine person, wasn't pretending to close his eyes, he actually couldn't open them.

[00:17:20]Right?

[00:17:21]>> Yeah, in reference to his human nature, obviously, yes.

[00:17:23]>> God couldn't do something.

[00:17:27]>> No, [snorts] because it's in reference to his human nature.

[00:17:29]>> he was So, he So, he could So, he could open them. So, he was just pretending.

[00:17:34]>> No, cuz I didn't say that either.

[00:17:37]>> God has dominion over all things. Let me know I I understand but you're not like tracking here.

[00:17:42]>> No, no, you're not tracking. Everybody could see it.

[00:17:44]>> I know I have my three You've given a false dichotomy false three times now.

[00:17:48]>> It's not a false dichotomy, bro. It's very >> Yes, I've already clarified it's two distinct respects.

[00:17:52]>> There's one. It's You You saying it's two distinct respects doesn't magically make it so.

[00:17:58]>> Wait, are Are you doing an internal critique or external critique? I just want to clarify that.

[00:18:01]>> internal critique, of course. Why >> Awesome, so you have to hold to my position. You can't just say my position's false.

[00:18:06]>> That is the very position I'm critiquing, that it's in two different respects.

[00:18:10]>> Yeah, awesome. So, you keep saying my You can't I can't just say it's two different respects and then Oh, it's the problem is that you >> That's the very thing I'm critiquing.

[00:18:16]>> You keep going around one respect. I say two respects.

[00:18:18]>> That's the very thing I'm critiquing.

[00:18:20]Are you slow?

[00:18:21]>> Yeah, okay. No, I'm not. But again, again, you keep saying one respect. I hold to two respects.

[00:18:27]>> So, I know you >> to two respects.

[00:18:28]>> Okay, so you And I And I And I hold that you worship And I hold that you worship a man-god.

[00:18:34]>> Awesome. Awesome. That's wonderful.

[00:18:38]Are you going to continue >> All right, so you need to You need to calm down, buddy. Are we going to talk or you going to keep talking over me cuz I'm just going to send you.

[00:18:45]Oh.

[00:18:45]>> Uh but will you Will you critique my actual position?

[00:18:48]>> I've I've been critiquing and >> How many respects do I hold to?

[00:18:52]>> Yeah, sure.

[00:18:53]>> How many respects do I hold to?

[00:18:55]>> Dude, can you stop talking over me, bro?

[00:18:57]I swear, bro, I'm going to turn you into a stir-fry in a second, brother.

[00:19:01]>> Already, sir. Um but again, can you just clarify my position?

[00:19:04]>> So, can you stop when I'm talking?

[00:19:07]Thank you. So, Nathan, pay attention here.

[00:19:10]There is one subject of predication.

[00:19:14]This one subject of predication underwent something called death.

[00:19:19]Death is the cessation of bodily and life functions. That is to say, when the subject dies, it no longer can control its bodily and life functions.

[00:19:30]Nathan, do you affirm that the second person of the Trinity no longer could control his body during those three days?

[00:19:40]>> You know what I'm going to say, right?

[00:19:41]>> Sir, did can Jesus could Jesus have opened up his eyes >> You don't have to call me sir, by the way. You don't have to call me sir.

[00:19:48]>> I'm going to ask one more time. Could Jesus have opened up his eyes during those three days?

[00:19:53]>> Um yeah, I don't I don't think that's impossible for you.

[00:19:56]>> what Okay, beautiful. So he didn't lose control over his body then, right?

[00:19:59]>> No, that's not what I said. That's not what I >> Okay, so then he couldn't So then he couldn't So then he So then he couldn't open up his So then he So he couldn't open his eyes?

[00:20:08]>> Um yeah, because God didn't will it yet.

[00:20:11]>> He could open his eyes or he couldn't?

[00:20:13]>> Uh he couldn't because God didn't will it.

[00:20:15]>> couldn't. So God could not do something.

[00:20:18]>> That's not what I said.

[00:20:20]>> Oh my god.

[00:20:21]>> Okay, let's let's try this again.

[00:20:23]>> Could God have opened up his eyes if he wanted to?

[00:20:27]>> Um yeah, if God chose to, yeah.

[00:20:29]>> Okay, God could control his body then.

[00:20:33]>> Um I mean God had control over all things. I don't doubt that.

[00:20:35]>> he didn't lose control over his body.

[00:20:38]>> Yeah, God didn't lose control over anything. He didn't lose control of No, that's not what I said, either.

[00:20:43]>> Okay, and dying is to lose control of your body, right?

[00:20:46]>> Yes, it was. But would you agree that God can >> What are we doing here, bro? Come on.

[00:20:51]Sir, >> You >> did >> Again, I've clarified instantly it's the communication of idioms that when we say God died.

[00:20:56]>> Hey, listen, bro. Communication >> clarified that.

[00:20:58]>> Communication of idioms or parables, doesn't matter, brother. Pay attention.

[00:21:02]>> Not parables. That's completely different.

[00:21:03]>> Pay Pay attention, brother. Pay attention.

[00:21:05]Death is the cessation of bodily life functions such that an agent no longer has control over his body.

[00:21:14]Did Jesus over the 3 days have control over his body?

[00:21:21]>> In respect to his human nature, no. I've already said that.

[00:21:24]>> Okay. So, God could not open up his eyes if he wanted to.

[00:21:28]>> Oh my gosh, this is bad. Again, I've already said in respect to his human nature, no.

[00:21:33]>> wait. So, wait. So, So, Nathan, could God have opened up his eyes if he wanted to?

[00:21:38]>> If he really wanted to, yes, because he's God.

[00:21:41]>> So, he didn't lose the control.

[00:21:44]>> Did I Wait, can you just repeat repeat what I've been saying? Cuz this is very bad for you.

[00:21:48]>> So, So, this is this this is this is what So, this is what you So, this is what this is what you've been saying.

[00:21:55]Yes, he lost control. No, he didn't lose control. Yes, he could open up his eyes.

[00:21:59]>> you say verbatimly what I said?

[00:22:00]>> eyes. All you keep doing is contradicting yourself.

[00:22:04]>> need to say verbatimly what I said. Can you say verbatimly what I >> I don't agree that the contradiction is in the same respect. Would you agree that the contradiction is in the same respect? It is It is in the same respect.

[00:22:11]>> Awesome. So, I said two different respects respects, correct?

[00:22:14]>> No, you didn't say two different respects.

[00:22:17]>> I did it?

[00:22:17]>> You didn't. You saying You saying in humanity and in divinity >> So, you saying it's two different respects doesn't magically make it two different respects. You saying oh, he did have control in his humanity, but he didn't have control in his divinity.

[00:22:35]This is gibberish.

[00:22:37]It doesn't actually mean anything.

[00:22:39]Because either the agent has the control or doesn't.

[00:22:45]Do you understand?

[00:22:46]So, that's what I'm asking you.

[00:22:48]Does the agent Jesus have the control to open up his eyes during the 3 days?

[00:22:54]>> In respect to his human nature, no.

[00:22:56]There's two distinct respects. It's an internal critique. I don't know why you're not holding my To my my position.

[00:23:01]>> okay, So, Jesus, God could not open up his eyes if he wanted to, right?

[00:23:08]>> Again, I just said in respect to his human nature.

[00:23:10]>> Okay, which means that he can't open up his eyes if he wanted to, right?

[00:23:14]>> In respect to his human nature, obviously.

[00:23:16]>> Okay, so what watch watch how ridiculous this sounds, guys. I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to clarify it and give you an an analogy here where he's just going to himself. I'm going to show him how two different respects doesn't solve anything.

[00:23:30]Nathan, why can't I have a a shape that's a circle and a square in two different respects?

[00:23:37]>> Cuz that's an illogical contradiction.

[00:23:39]>> It's in two different respects.

[00:23:42]>> No, you just said square and circle in one respect.

[00:23:44]>> No, no, it's one shape. It has a fully square nature, fully circle nature. It's two respects.

[00:23:50]>> Sorry, I'm confused why you're using shapes to define God.

[00:23:53]>> No, no, it's two respects.

[00:23:55]So, it's fully >> Okay, so then we could So, So, we could say that we I apologize.

[00:23:59]>> It's fully square in respect to its square nature.

[00:24:04]It's fully circle in respect to its circle nature. Two distinct respects.

[00:24:08]>> Yeah, so it's it that's basically just like saying I draw a circle then I draw a square.

[00:24:12]>> No, no, no, it's one shape, two natures.

[00:24:14]>> Oh, yeah. Yeah, but we draw the shapes together. So, it's one shape.

[00:24:17]>> No, no, it's one shape, two natures.

[00:24:19]>> Yeah, I know, but we draw it so it looks like two shapes and it's one shape.

[00:24:21]>> No, no, it's not it's not >> That's what I'm saying is this is this is a false analogy.

[00:24:24]>> One shape. This is a false analogy. One shape. It's It's not a false analogy.

[00:24:27]One >> It's a false analogy.

[00:24:29]>> So, show me the symmetry breaker then.

[00:24:31]>> Yeah, I'm I'm explaining to you that this is already proven as a logical contradiction.

[00:24:36]>> breaker. It's two respects. Remember, a contradiction Remember, Nathan, a contradiction is in the same respect.

[00:24:43]Can you Can you stop talking when I'm talking? Thank you.

[00:24:46]So, remember, a contradiction is in the same respect, but I'm saying two respects, so not a contradiction.

[00:24:53]>> Okay, then not a contradiction.

[00:24:55]>> It's not a con- So, square circle not a contradiction?

[00:24:59]>> Uh you said two respects. It's like drawing it twice. I don't I don't see how this works. I don't even grant that this is a false >> one shape >> I've already clarified this is a false analogy. I don't know why I'm granting.

[00:25:08]I'm not granting this is a real analogy.

[00:25:10]>> Hold [laughter] on. Hold on. Hold on.

[00:25:11]Hold on a second.

[00:25:11]>> I'm not >> So So I I need you I need you Wait.

[00:25:14]Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Just pay attention. I need you to show me the symmetry breaker.

[00:25:18]I have one shape. It has two natures.

[00:25:22]Fully square nature >> Do shapes have natures? This is so bad.

[00:25:24]Do shapes have natures?

[00:25:25]>> Yes.

[00:25:26]Yes.

[00:25:27]>> They don't.

[00:25:27]>> And they A nature is just a set of essential properties. A shape has essential properties.

[00:25:31]>> That's an essence. I That's an essence to this example.

[00:25:34]>> you talking about, dude? Like >> Wait, this is internal critique. You have to grant to my position.

[00:25:39]>> You are you are larping right now. You don't even Brother, there's >> Larping?

[00:25:42]>> There's there's Okay.

[00:25:44]There's there's Brother. Brother. You're This is way above your pay grade. Okay, look. You have You have one shape. It's fully circle fully square in two respects. What's the problem?

[00:25:56]>> Uh again, it's a false analogy. I've already granted I already explained that.

[00:25:59]>> it a false analogy?

[00:26:01]>> Because God is not shapes.

[00:26:03]>> I didn't say God is shapes.

[00:26:05]What?

[00:26:06]>> Awesome. Then stop using >> I just I just told you there is one shape that has a square nature and a circle nature. And it's fully square in one respect, fully circle in another.

[00:26:14]Why can't I say that?

[00:26:17]>> I mean, you would just draw the shape. I I guess that's fine to say. I guess that's that's fine to say. I don't necessarily see an issue, but again, I don't see how it >> a square circle.

[00:26:25]>> I don't I don't I don't see Again, but we would say this is a logical contradiction if it's in one respect.

[00:26:30]>> Wait. No, but I said I said two different respects.

[00:26:33]>> Yeah, then sure, because we have to grant that the law of non-contradiction applies to one respect. You know that.

[00:26:38]>> Okay, beautiful. So So then So then So then what I said, Nathan, is possible. One shape fully square fully circle >> Sure, because it doesn't break the law of non-contradiction. It doesn't break the law of non-contradiction.

[00:26:48]>> Thank you for coming. You guys heard it here first, guys.

[00:26:52]One shape, fully [snorts] square, fully circle, does not break the law of contradiction.

[00:26:59]Wow, how does it feel to lose?