BOMBSHELL WITNESS I LINKS Brown Mogotsi, Feroz Khan, Cat Matlala & Lebeya In Explosive Testimony 🚨👀

Added: 2026-06-10

[00:00:00]me God.

[00:00:02]>> So help me God.

[00:00:04]>> Thank you.

[00:00:08]>> Witness I I'm going to start with confirming your statement and the files that you have in front of you. So you should have two files in front of you.

[00:00:19]The first being a statement file. Can you confirm that you have that?

[00:00:25]>> Yes, I have that. And the second should be labeled stain exhibit file 2.

[00:00:33]>> Yes, I have that true >> and then witness I if you can then go into the statement file you will see that the first document is your statement.

[00:00:54]Can you confirm that this is a statement you have prepared for purposes of giving testimony before this commission?

[00:01:02]>> Yes, I confirm that.

[00:01:03]>> And please go to page 18 of your statement.

[00:01:09]>> Can you confirm that that is your signature on page 18?

[00:01:14]>> Yes, that's my signature.

[00:01:16]>> And then can you confirm that the contents of this statement are true and correct?

[00:01:23]Yes, I confirm it.

[00:01:26]>> Thank you. Witness I, uh, witness I, commissioners, for this session, witness I will go through his statement relatively uninterrupted. Um, there will be some clarity seeking questions from myself or the commissioners. Uh, and then thereafter we'll move to the second stage. Um, but for now, witness I, if we can start with your statement. Um, you can proceed with paragraph 1.

[00:02:00]>> Paragraph 102. Commissioner, >> my apologies. Um, I had indicated to witness I that we we we aren't going to go into paragraph one rather that he will start at paragraph 2.

[00:02:20]Okay, paragraph two.

[00:02:24]I have a national diploma in accounting from University of Johannesburg and did courses within SAPS introductory police training, basic crime investigative practice, serious and violent crimes, SVC, street survival legal principles.

[00:02:48]Vehicle crime investigators course, discipline management processes learning program, detective commanders learning program and presently I'm studying MBA in executive leadership with Wolf University.

[00:03:08]>> Thank you. Witness I um can you then move to deal with your service history?

[00:03:14]It's unnecessary to set out what we asked of you in the rule 106 notice. So you can move to paragraph 5.

[00:03:25]>> Okay. Paragraph 5.

[00:03:28]I began my employment in law enforcement with the directorate of special operations DSO commonly known as Scorpions in 2002 and remained there as an investigator until 2009 when DSO was disbanded.

[00:03:48]members were transferred to the directorate for priority crime investigation DPCI in 2009 and I was based at Sirrus organized crime unit.

[00:04:03]In 2021, I was team leader for South African Aquatics Enforcement Bureau, SNAP, a specialized unit within the South African Police Service primarily responsible for investigating drug related crime including trafficking and local drug manufacturing.

[00:04:27]Number six.

[00:04:29]In 2023, I accepted a transfer to technical operations management section to under the command of Brigadier Smith then, but now under command of Brigadier McQueen. Both brigadier reporting to Lieutenant General.

[00:04:51]Seven.

[00:04:52]I'm presently a subsection commander at toms and my duties include open inspect and close inquiries of members within the unit, trace and ex extradite international fugitives as requested by other units within DPCI, tracking and tracing most wanted suspect or syndicates involved in serious organized crime, corruption and serious commercial crime, execution of warrants of arrests from all units within DPCI and tracing of suspects.

[00:05:39]lead planned and unplanned operations conducted by the unit.

[00:05:45]Conducting surveillance observation and monitoring on armed robberies, cashing transit, hijacking of vehicles, escort of suspects to court. Also investigating officers and prosecutors, profiling of people of interest and monitoring them.

[00:06:09]Combating crime on serious offenses which poses threat to the community.

[00:06:17]Do search and seizure operations on suspects and also section 252A applications for operations.

[00:06:28]Conduct operational duties as directed by national head and divisional commissioner of DPCI.

[00:06:37]Attend to management meetings within the unit and also lead members in meetings with third parties and other role players.

[00:06:48]Command and control of members on all operational taskings.

[00:06:54]Witness I before you continue in 2001 when you were the team leader of CANAB what were your duties then?

[00:07:07]Uh it was leading a a team in investigating drug related matters, smuggling and dealing and trafficking of drugs within the country.

[00:07:24]>> And how many members were in your team?

[00:07:29]>> Um I think they were four four to five members.

[00:07:38]And was the team leadership territorial or or how far did it extend?

[00:07:46]>> Come again.

[00:07:47]>> Was your team leadership territorial?

[00:07:50]We've heard testimony of another team leader signup also in so just want to understand in which area did you primarily operate?

[00:08:03]is counting >> the entire thing.

[00:08:08]>> Yes.

[00:08:09]>> Okay. And then just in terms of paragraph 7.9 um what is a section 252A operation?

[00:08:22]>> It's an entrapment application entrapment.

[00:08:28]>> Thank you. witness I um you can then proceed to the next topic which is the events relating to the erritan drug bust of 9 July 2021.

[00:08:41]>> Okay. Number eight.

[00:08:45]In 2020 around August, Sergeant Masuma opened an inquiry on an individual from Zambesi Ptorian North who was alsoing narcotics.

[00:09:02]Inquiry file is opened within the unit to do preliminary investigation and gather evidence. And once the file is caught ready the inquiry is converted into a dog copy of front cover of fer as per one on 9 July 2021 at around 7 a.m. Sergeant Masuma notified me that he had received a tip of the previous night about 23 bags of drugs in route from Guazulu Natal.

[00:09:47]The set tip off was in relation to inquiry 6 of 8 2020.

[00:09:54]I asked Sergeant Masuma to obain to obtain more details regarding the this tip off such as the truck details, number of people on the track before we could act on the tip off.

[00:10:09]>> Um witness I just so that we can understand when you say the set tip off was in relation to in to the inquiry um what do you mean by that?

[00:10:21]>> What about it? Because When he showed me the message, he said the message is in relation to the inquiry is having inquiry 6 of 8 2020.

[00:10:37]>> So from the source >> was it because it was coming from a source that was involved in that inquiry or or how did you relate it to the inquiry?

[00:10:49]Yeah, it's from a source which is in KZ and in relation to this.

[00:10:57]>> Thank you, witness. I >> you can continue.

[00:11:05]>> Okay. On 9 July 2021, whilst still on official duty at my office in Critia, I received a telephone call from Sergeant Pagola of K9 unit.

[00:11:24]He he contacted me with his number. He advised that he was called to address a scene regarding a truck suspected of transporting 23 bags of drugs in the Johannesburg area. Sergeant Pula further indicated that the truck in Quen was also from De.

[00:11:49]I asked Sergeant Pakola to bring an Aquotics dog to the scene and that he sends me the location of the scene.

[00:12:01]The information about the 23 bags of suspected drugs coincided with the information Sergeant Masuma had informed me of the same morning regarding the chip off relating to Pritoria inquiry 6 of 8 2020 about drugs originating from Dean.

[00:12:23]I then called Sajin Masuma to accompany me to the scene. According to our investigation, the drugs were associated with an individuals who lives in Zambes.

[00:12:37]The source who gave info of the 23 bags from Deben al the bags to be linked or connected with the subject addressed on the inquire.

[00:12:51]Before leaving to the scene, I never reported to anyone. As a senior officer, I was scared or had a fear of information being compromised at a higher level.

[00:13:06]If the info was positive and related to our inquiry, the plan was to report after arrest to protect the info.

[00:13:17]I immediately went to Johannesburg with Sergeant Masoma from my office. Upon arriving at the location provided to me, we observed many officers including DPCI organized crime Jimmy Span and Johannesburg members.

[00:13:38]We walked in and Sergeant Pakola of K9 took us to warrant officer Pakola from national investigation unit.

[00:13:50]Warrant officer from Zonizo police station and a member of traffic later introduced to me as Mashab.

[00:14:02]I requested that warrant officer Pakola explain the scene to me and identify the individual found driving the truck so I could review all relevant information and take charge of the scene as I believed it to be connected to the inquiry being investigated by my office.

[00:14:28]I was briefed as follows.

[00:14:31]The driver of the truck transporting the drugs was identified to me while already under arrest placed on some corn.

[00:14:42]The members were awaiting the arrival of the photographer to document the packages of drugs which had been placed inside the police bag.

[00:14:54]I questioned members there why the bags of drugs are in police bike and explanation I received was that when they open the truck the bags fell from the truck that's why they were kept on police bag while still while still being briefed I observed a general from the intelligence division later known to me as major general General Khan, who did not introduce himself to the attending members, issuing instructions that those who located the truck containing drugs should be detained.

[00:15:38]One of the suspects, the driver, who was already detained by the members, was released from custody by Major General Khan.

[00:15:49]The truck that contained the drugs was never booked at Bo's police station SAP 13, but kept at station until it was collected by own.

[00:16:03]The scene was never handed to me. As observed, General Khan just hijacked and took over the scene by directing that first people to seen namely Warren officer Moani must get inside the black bag by driver's seat and sit there and to never come out.

[00:16:28]As surprised by directive of General Khan, I learned later that it was a strategy or means to label warrant officer moan as trying to run away from sin.

[00:16:44]I then realized that said major general Ibraima was also there as well as brigadius also of DPCI.

[00:16:58]I then engaged Brigadius Hova telling her about the 2020 inquire.

[00:17:08]General generals Khan and Kada were running the scene which is questionable as the two SMS members are holding strategic post of generals.

[00:17:25]There is brigadeier canel and canel and c and captain as officers to run scenes or operations.

[00:17:37]I tried to speak to major general cadra to ask him what was happening. Major General told me that Jiman DPCI will deal with the scene.

[00:17:51]And I ask on what case number or inquiry number since there was none except the one by the Pritoria office.

[00:18:01]When I attempted to talk to Mr. General Kada about inquiry file from my office.

[00:18:08]He essentially avoided talking to me by evoking the sub's chain of command and thus instructed me to rather address instead of him directly.

[00:18:24]I also saw panel JC ML from DPCI organized crime joiners bank who advised me to leave things alone and advised that me and my member should just provide our statements explaining what led us to come to sin from Ptoria of which statements we wrote and left the scene.

[00:18:54]We left the scene after lunch and GPCI Jimen and Janisburg members were there with General Cargo.

[00:19:05]While still wandering there, warrant officer Pakula, warrant officer Muani, Chief Mashab of traffic and one black male unknown to me were placed under arrest as per instruction or directive of General Khan.

[00:19:22]While that was happening, panel JC Marle came to me and asked me and Sergeant Mosuma to make and write statements explaining how it happened that we come to scene which we did. Col JC said if we don't make such statements the generals will arrest us. They are in charge of sin.

[00:19:49]As weeks passed, I heard from Sergeant Pakula of K9 the drugs of the sex scene were not sent to Forensic Science Labor 3, but to Pritoria West training college and kept there for more than a week before being sent to the FSN.

[00:20:11]I also learned that it was no longer same quantity collected from scene. In state, the block of bricks was less by over 100 in number.

[00:20:25]As an experienced investigator, my observations of the scene indicated potential abuse of power and rank, the reason for which remain unclear.

[00:20:40]I advise all members Moran Pul and Mashaba who were placed under arrest to consider lodging a case of defeating the ends of justice against General Khan and General Cardu. I was concerned that these actions appeared to be an effort to protect both the driver of the truck found with drugs and to obscure the origin of the vehicle and its contents.

[00:21:12]The fact that General Khan took driver of truck where he was contained and moved him away from the scene so he can disappear.

[00:21:25]This was clear manipulation of members and the misuse of authority to pursue undisclosed or improper objectives is unacceptable and must be addressed within the framework of the law.

[00:21:43]On the day in question, it was evident that certain individuals functioned as if they were above the law, which was troubling to witness, particularly given that the law enforcement personnel were being subjected to such treatment by senior officers.

[00:22:04]At the scene, I immediately called office of the national head, Lieutenant General Leia, for me to come and have a meeting with him on what transpired.

[00:22:18]I went and consulted with Lieutenant General Leia the same day by late afternoon to report what happened at the scene. In that meeting, Lieutenant General Libya promised to look on the matter and give me feedback which was never done. Lieutenant General Levia took notes of our discussion.

[00:22:50]Um, uh, witness, I before you move on to the next topic, I just want to ask you a few questions for clarity. If you can go back to paragraph 11.

[00:23:06]Um, there you indicate that Sergeant Pakula of the K9 unit called you.

[00:23:14]Why did he call you?

[00:23:19]Oh, commissioners, maybe I should indicate.

[00:23:24]Uh, I I have contacts with several units of SAPS like K9, flying squad, national intervention unit, several units of SAPS.

[00:23:42]members were informed that I'm team leader of SNAP and if they hear or have a a scenario where drugs related things are there they should inform me and that's I believe that's the reason why Sergeant Pula phone me because he's one of the members I informed that I'm team leader of SAP if there's any sin or matter related to drugs, they need to contact me.

[00:24:16]>> And this contact is just to alert you of the scene or is it also asking some sort of permission?

[00:24:27]No, it's also asking engagement since drugs related matters is DPCI which is dealing with it and some of the times the members from various units they do call me for advice on other issues.

[00:24:49]>> Okay. Um and in this instance he was already activated or called to the scene. Is there a reason then why you had to tell him to bring the dog to the scene?

[00:25:02]>> Yeah, of course. If they say they are drugs, we need to confirm for sure if they are really drugs. And since I know he works at K9, but I don't know his dog, if it's a notic's dog or it's which dog, that's why I requested a notic dog.

[00:25:21]>> All right. And then if we can go to >> Before you do that, would he not ordinarily know if he's been called and told that it's an aquatics um operation that he's being called or he's been to use your language that he's being activated for? Would he not know as a given that he has to bring an aquotics dog?

[00:25:49]It is commissioner but for certainty that's why I requested him.

[00:25:57]>> Okay.

[00:26:03]Um now if we can go to paragraph 12 of your statement.

[00:26:12]>> Yes commissioner. Um just to get a a better sense, you indicated early in your statement that broadly an inquiry is used as a preliminary stage in investigations.

[00:26:27]Um when one an officer opens an inquiry, what steps do you take?

[00:26:36]>> You come again.

[00:26:37]>> Generally, you get that.

[00:26:38]>> Generally, you've explained in your statement what the purpose of an inquiry is. My question to you is generally what steps do you take when opening an inquiry?

[00:26:52]>> No. Uh the inquiry is opened on the case system and a file is opened with the alerts criminality being indicated either as a statement or as info note.

[00:27:12]and it's given to a member to run and start conducting preliminary investigations on the inquiry to get evidential material.

[00:27:27]>> And is this process monitored by your commanders?

[00:27:34]>> Yes.

[00:27:39]>> Thank you. And ordinarily does it include things like the target that you're investigating?

[00:27:47]>> Yeah, as the investigation proceeds, it will include the targets you're investigating and network of those targets and everything about them.

[00:28:01]>> Thank you, witness I. Now at paragraph 13 you indicate that you didn't report to senior a senior officer or out of fear of information being compromised. What do you mean by that at a higher level you say?

[00:28:21]>> Yes. Uh it's a it to me it just was a general knowledge to me even to other members that there's a conflict of interest with SMS members when it comes to narcotics within SPS and if information is made out or knowledgeable it happens that the mission it won't be accomplished as the target will be tipped off or it will come to their knowledge >> when you say conflict of interest with um senior members.

[00:29:10]What does what do you mean by conflict of interest?

[00:29:17]not conflict per se or maybe let me just put it as uh the matter or the case could be compromised.

[00:29:31]>> Okay. It it could be compromised. Are you simply saying that some of your senior managers may be working with people who have interest in drugs? Is that what you're saying?

[00:29:42]>> Yes.

[00:29:44]And then you say this is common knowledge.

[00:29:49]>> Yeah. Even though members won't publicly speak about it, but within corridors and on the street they speak of it off record.

[00:30:04]>> All right. Thank you. And then >> can I can I just ask about paragraph 13?

[00:30:09]If you had had to report, if you had had to inform um someone uh to where you are going, who would it have been if you were doing things openly without uh keeping this information to yourself for the reason that you are stating? Who would you be reporting it to?

[00:30:32]>> So the unit commander commission >> and the unit commander being who at the time?

[00:30:39]Who was the unit commander?

[00:30:42]>> It was Colonel Bo.

[00:30:44]>> Bo.

[00:30:47]>> So he was your immediate superior?

[00:30:50]>> Yes.

[00:30:51]>> Okay. And that's the only person that you would have had to inform. I'm going out on on this tip off.

[00:31:00]>> Not only him. Then there were three full canals. There's there were other two full can >> but but your immediate superior was Kel Bach.

[00:31:16]>> Yes.

[00:31:17]>> Okay. Thank you.

[00:31:21]>> Um witness I when you then in the same paragraph you say if the information was positive and related to our inquiry.

[00:31:33]What do you mean by info being positive?

[00:31:38]Uh remember I received a call that there's a truck suspected to be having drugs and my intention and reason I went there with Masuma was to verify the info I received and check if he's true and correct commissioner >> um whi which info were you trying to confirm the one from your informant or the one from Sergeant Pakula.

[00:32:10]>> The one from Sergeant Pakula together with the one from the source received by my man.

[00:32:19]>> All right. Um and then in paragraph 15, you explained that you wanted a briefing in order for you to take over the scene.

[00:32:34]How how did you in in what instances do you take over the scene and how's that decision made when there are multiple officers at the scene?

[00:32:46]I needed to assess all the information they had to brief me about about that scene and then from then I'll assess it if it is connected or related to our office inquire and if it is it will is common knowledge that I should we should be taking over the scene as it will have been related to what we have been investigating.

[00:33:19]>> All right. Thank you, witness. Um, and then just in paragraph 16 where you talk about Major General Khan issuing instructions, to whom was he insuing instructions?

[00:33:36]Uh when I first saw him, he was near DPCI, Jim Stan and Joc members and he was approaching where I was standing by the bike being briefed by Warren officer Pul.

[00:33:58]Um now you are describing where he was going but my question is you say he was issuing instructions to members including to release the detained truck driver. Who was he telling these instructions? Who who was to execute this? Oh, the instruction I heard him saying was that warrant officer Morani must get in inside the driver's seat of the black bike and that he must never come out and he moved I think I believe uh Chief Mashaba was somewhere near his vehicle or he was not where I was being briefed. I don't know what did he say to him cuz it was far of a distance and he came back to the scene where the bike was and I believe he went to at the back of the bike. I think he was speaking with the people from the who were receiving the the goods from the bag.

[00:35:06]>> All right. So he was issuing instructions to the DPCI members, you say, and then also issued instructions to the officers that were on the scene, the the first three.

[00:35:18]>> Yes. Yes.

[00:35:19]>> All right. Thank you. And then at paragraph 19, you say that generals Khan and Kadra were running the scene. You've explained in detail what General Khan was doing, but you don't say what General Kadra was doing when you say he was running the scene.

[00:35:35]uh General Kador when he came to the scene he stood also near the Johannesburg Jim members where they were and uh I saw General Khan with him. I think he stood with him for a long time which I suspect maybe he was briefing him and after briefing him general card spoke with some of the members from Jim Stan office that's what I'm saying both they were issuing they were running the scene >> okay so general Kadwell's role was that he he got a briefing from General Khan and then spoke to his members.

[00:36:24]>> Yes.

[00:36:25]>> All right. And then at paragraph 22, you say that you learned that after the the drugs were stored at Pritoria West College, you say you learned that the number was no longer the same. You learned that from who?

[00:36:42]>> From Papola of K9.

[00:36:46]And did you know what the initial number was and what the number that was submitted is?

[00:36:53]>> No. No, I didn't. But from evidence that is when now I I learn of the of the numbers.

[00:37:05]I'm asking at the time when you say Sergeant Pakula told you about the change in the quantity and you say um it was no longer the same quantity collected at the scene. Instead the block of bricks was less by over 100 in number.

[00:37:27]>> Yes.

[00:37:28]>> So did you know what the number was before?

[00:37:32]No, I didn't know the exact number.

[00:37:34]Which one was it?

[00:37:36]>> All right. So, you just took um Sergeant Papula's what he was telling you about what happened with the drugs.

[00:37:44]>> Yes.

[00:37:45]>> All right. Thank you.

[00:37:47]Um, and then at paragraph 24, you say that General Khan took the driver of the truck where he was contained and moved him away um from the scene so he can disappear.

[00:38:02]>> What do you mean that he can disappear?

[00:38:06]That's the suspicion I had because I was in the driver was detained but General Khan took him out of the scene.

[00:38:18]>> Okay.

[00:38:18]>> That's suspect wanted him to disappear from the scene.

[00:38:25]>> All right.

[00:38:27]And when you say there that on the day in question it was evident that certain officials individuals functioned as if they were above the law. When you say certain official individuals who do you mean?

[00:38:42]>> I mean General Kh >> um and you say it in the in the plural.

[00:38:50]Who else do you mean?

[00:38:55]uh both General Khan and K.

[00:38:59]>> Okay. Thank you, witness I. Um you can then proceed with the next uh topic which is the investigations by iPad into the Eritan drug bust. That's at paragraph 26 of your statement.

[00:39:15]>> Okay.

[00:39:16]The in the independent police investigative directorate IP investigated the events that occurred on 9 July 2021 as part of their recommendations.

[00:39:31]IP specifically called for disciplinary action to be taken against Major General Khan for his conduct at the scene. I don't know from IPD what was recommended about all DPCI members and seniors.

[00:39:52]I was interviewed and gave me account of what transpired at the scene providing a detailed description of the events as I witnessed them. I made sure to emphasize the actions of all involved parties, my concerns about the handling of the scene and the sequence of instruction issued by the senior officers present.

[00:40:22]My statement was recorded as part of the ongoing investigation.

[00:40:30]Uh number 28 commissioner I think I might be mistaken. I wrote during 2023.

[00:40:38]I believe it should be during 2024.

[00:40:44]During 2024, I also became aware of a departmental investigation by major general Bumalanga DPCI provincial head who was tasked to investigate Major General Karda and other DPCI members as well as what transpired at the scene.

[00:41:10]I was told that Major General Hera concluded that General generals K and Kad were doing their job.

[00:41:21]General Herba interviewed me at DPCI head office in Silverton.

[00:41:29]I did not find this comforting.

[00:41:32]From information from various sources, allegations are that Major General Khan is known to oversee drug coming from KZN or beam party to transactions in relation to them. All these allegations are just hearsay rumors said by various people and I never investigated them or made follow up on them.

[00:42:04]Thank you witness. You can proceed with the next topic events in and around the meeting of 29 January 2025.

[00:42:13]Sorry. Before that, let me ask a question on this last part. Do you have any any idea whether General Leia ever became aware of these rumors that there was such talk and you say it's hearsay and and I'm not placing it higher than that. I just want to know whether this which was referred to as corridor talk by another witness whether you ever became aware or have a reason or had a reason ever to think and believe that General Lea had has had these rumors as well.

[00:42:56]>> I'm not sure about that committee.

[00:42:58]>> Okay. Thank you.

[00:43:06]Witness, you can go to paragraph 30 of your statement.

[00:43:13]Thanks. Uh, prior to dealing with the meeting of 29 January 2025, it is important for me to explain who Bra Modi is and my involvement with him.

[00:43:27]I first met Mr. during 2020 around Rustinburg as a source who gave information about illegal conduct and practices around Northwest.

[00:43:42]Witness I just one moment. Um commissioners there is a name in this section. I've already spoken to the witness to refer to that name as a colonel in crime intelligence.

[00:43:59]Um, witness I, you can continue to paragraph 32 >> before you January.

[00:44:06]>> Witness I, before you do that, in that paragraph 31 where you say you know Mr. Makodesy as a source who gave information about illegal conduct and practices around Northwest as a source to you as >> No, no, not to me.

[00:44:24]>> Yes. Can you just >> You are said to be You are said to be a businessman who knows a lot of things and frequently reports irregularities within the Northwest Province.

[00:44:40]>> Okay. So, you were told that by somebody that that's what he does.

[00:44:44]>> Yes.

[00:44:45]>> Okay. All right.

[00:44:46]>> Yes.

[00:44:47]And and do you have an did you ever get information of what kind of uh information illegal conduct he reports on to Northwest?

[00:44:59]>> No, they said just malpractice within the Northwest province.

[00:45:05]>> You say in 31 that you met him. So you did have a >> phrase it in another way. I saw him in 2020. It's like first time seeing him, it was that day, but I never communicated with him.

[00:45:27]>> Okay. And and when you saw him in 2020, what was the context? In what context did you get to see him or to be in the same space with him in 2020?

[00:45:41]No, he was someone who was speaking aloud. I think we were at KFC. He's someone who was speaking aloud. And uh who was it? I think it was my question.

[00:45:55]I said, "Who's this guy? He speaks aloud." They said, "No, or it's Brown.

[00:46:01]He's a businessman around here and he knows a lot of things which are happening here which are irregular or wrong.

[00:46:12]>> Okay. All right. Thank you.

[00:46:17]>> Um and witness I have you ever run any operations with him?

[00:46:23]>> No.

[00:46:24]>> Thank you.

[00:46:28]Um um witness you can proceed with paragraph 32.

[00:46:36]Okay. Uh on 29th January 2025 I met Mr. Muodi and CI member the meeting was facilitated by Mr. Mala through warrant officer Fen Zu now captain Captain Zu called me and said there are people who want to consult with you in respect of a matter I'm a witness to involving General Khan. I ask who the people are which he did not disclose and where can I find them?

[00:47:16]Captain Zungu said they are at U10 hotel in Sant as we speak and I can find them there.

[00:47:25]>> Witness I witness I this Captain Zongu is he a member of the DPCI >> then he was a member of DPCI but now he moved.

[00:47:40]>> Okay. Thank you >> witness. Before you step off that paragraph, um, you say that Captain Zungu gave you the call. What facilitative role did Mr. Madala play?

[00:47:56]>> I don't know. He just informed me. He was found by his source that there are people who wants to see me.

[00:48:05]>> Oh, so Captain Zungu was telling you that he heard from Mr. Madala that people want to see you.

[00:48:12]Yes.

[00:48:13]>> All right. Thank you.

[00:48:19]>> You can continue.

[00:48:22]I went to the meeting venue with warrant officer Matava who works under me at Toms and taking warrant officer Matama with me was in respect of assistant with state vehicle as I was not in position of any state vehicle and he was but warrant officer Matlava stayed in the car when we got to the hotel at the meeting in the hotel. I was directed to go by the couches next to the reception of hotel. I was surprised to find it was Mr. Brown Modi and CI member.

[00:49:07]I also know the CI member as we worked together at the DSO Scorpion before it was disbanded.

[00:49:19]I immediately suspected something s to come out of this meeting.

[00:49:27]I learned later that the meeting was recorded.

[00:49:32]I decided to play along.

[00:49:35]The CI member said they needed to fix things, meaning me making a statement clearing Major General Khan at the disciplinary hearing in respect of the drug bust at a return.

[00:49:53]I refused and told him I could change my statement as that will amount to peri and I could be charged on that.

[00:50:04]I asked why I should do that and for what purpose.

[00:50:09]The CI guys said that I will get a bag and they will facilitate for me to get a promotion at work if I help major general Khan.

[00:50:23]I explained that I will fight for my promotion as I already did by lodging a grievance for promotional post for which I had already been interviewed. I then informed them that they should bring the bag as suggested as a means of encraining them.

[00:50:48]My intention in suggesting that they bring them back was to see if they will go ahead with the bribery then I will arrest them.

[00:50:59]As I departed I explained everything to war in the car and said I will await the next contact for a meeting. Then we'll use Tom's office for bust on bra.

[00:51:15]The above was never reported as it will get to ears of the targeted people and reporting will have been done after arrest to evade blocking or obstruction from seniors.

[00:51:31]They never brought the bag and never had any further discussion about the bag.

[00:51:38]I have never gone to KZ regarding the general Khan's matter. I have also never met Major General Khan as I never liked him since they are attending.

[00:51:59]>> Um, thank you witness. I can continue.

[00:52:04]During January 2025, I was formed by Mor.

[00:52:09]>> So, please read the headings as well.

[00:52:13]>> Oh, sorry, Commissioner.

[00:52:16]Uh, Major General Khan disciplinary hearing during January 2025. I was found by Major General Kumalo, district commissioner of KZ informing the informing me that I will be receiving a subpoena to come lead evidence.