– Andrea Johnson reveals why she distanced herself from Khan

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[00:01:27]So Andrea Johnson, the head of IDC is back at this Mlanga Commission. Nearly said the state capture commission. Uh but she's back at the Mazlanga Commission this morning and we're going to take you there live probably [music] from I'll see what's happening from 9:30. I'll get the producers to listen [music] and if there's something really compelling and interesting, we'll take you there live. Otherwise, after the news at 10:00, [music] I will dedicate about 25 minutes to take you there live because yesterday she refused to answer questions about the allegations allegation against her that she had sent Khan information about a complaint against him.

[00:02:14]even before the police got a statement from [music] Khan himself and Andrea Johnson apparently is the one who sent him through a third party um the the the the complainant's [music] information or information about the docket. So she refused to answer those questions because apparently the NPA is still deciding um whether there must be prosecution. Someone I think a someone [music] has made a complaint and it's a criminal complaint. So, the NPA will decide whether or not she'll be charged. I think if I'm not mistaken, let me see. Uh cuz I got [music] an information I got information this morning about that matter. Apparently, um the NPA received a docket on the 9th of July 2026 [music] and they've issued further investigation into the matter.

[00:03:04]This is into the allegations against um IDC head Andrea Johnson. So the docket apparently is [music] back with the police for further investigation. And that's precisely why Andrea Johnson didn't want to touch on matters involving this complaint or allegation against her. [music] She says, "I don't want to incriminate myself." Um, and that's why she invoked section [music] 35 of the constitution cuz she can do that. But that also tells us a lot.

[00:03:30][laughter] It does, doesn't it? Cuz whatever you tell the commission, isn't it exactly the same thing you're likely to share with the investigators? That's why yesterday advocate Meta Pascilo said it's either you have sent the information about a docket to Khan [music] or not. And she can't really do that. Say yes or no because she doesn't really know also how much evidence the commission has. Cuz remember the commission, they've got text messages probably that they're going to use of Khan. And what if in those text messages, this is something that was communicated between her uh and General Khan. So even though she declined to answer questions related to the allegation against her, the commissioners and the evidence leader, I suspect, are going to uh push through this morning with those questions. But here's what interested me yesterday.

[00:04:23]They asked her about the relationship that she has with General Khan. Do they still have a relationship? When last did they talk? This is what was her response.

[00:04:35]>> Well, what is the relevance of that matter to the change in your relationship with General Khan?

[00:04:41]>> Here I get to engage a victim who's lost his his father and his brother in in a very violent way. Yes, >> it is very difficult uh commissioners when you are sitting with a child who is now parentless and brotherless. He is raw of emotion sitting in front of you.

[00:05:02]But the it's not just the emotion. It is the complaint about the police not doing their work and he sat there hoping that we were able to help him and it was unfortunate. It is not in our mandate but it touched me in a different way in in a very humane way and it made what he was saying more real. I wasn't reading this in papers. I I wasn't hearing stories. I was hearing from a child uh well he's a young man but I was hearing this from a child. And there's no way when you have that engagement that you are able to just shut it down and okay this is what you go and do and then you just carry on. It had an impact and I think it was for for those reasons it really had a humane impact that I was unable to assist him. uh and the allegation he made uh [snorts] was very serious and so uh he was accompanied uh by a friend and I told him and the friend they would definitely have to take this up with the head of detectives >> at the time. Uh so your then I understand just to wrap up that your relationship uh with General Khan was adversely influenced by the allegations made to you as regards his alleged involvement by Mr. Mari that that's what altered the course of your relationship.

[00:06:27]>> Yes. Okay. Because he was explicit about where he felt Mr. Khan was involved and persons he was involved with. It's it's names I'm prepared to write but it's he made very pertinent referrals.

[00:06:42]>> Yes.

[00:06:43]>> Yeah. That that's crucial and I want us to try and connect the dots as we always do. So what we know now from Andrea Johnson is that she started walking away from the relationship she has with General Fol Khan after she had a meeting with a child or someone related um to the liquidators who were murdered.

[00:07:18]Cle and Thomas Mar.

[00:07:24]So stay with me. So that's why she decided I am actually going to pull off here and pull away from the relationship because there are reports that linked Fros Khan to people who are connected to the Mari murders.

[00:07:42]So Thomas and Clute Mari were father and son liquidators who were shot dead on the N1 in March 2023. And the Mari family has long raised concerns about how police neglected critical evidence and and the interviewing of crucial witnesses on the case.

[00:08:05]Now that's the first part. That's Andrea Johnson saying, "I pulled off." Why would Andrea Johnson pull off if she's not convinced that Fidel Khan is involved? I mean, if I find out something about a friend of mine or an associate of mine and I'm not convinced and I don't have enough evidence that they're involved in that thing or they found guilty of what they accused of, what I want to do is I want to give them a call and find out, hey, there are these reports or these allegations against you. What's going on? Right. She decides to pull off because clearly there was something that convinced her that General Khan may have been involved here. Otherwise, why are you pulling off? Why are you pulling away from the relationship?

[00:08:50]That's the first part. Now, who was responsible for the investigation? So, so this double murder probe into the shooting death of this father and son liquidators experienced inexplicable delays with critical evidence not being followed up on. There are key persons of interest that were not interviewed more than 3 years after the shooting in March in 2023. Now, you're probably wondering why were the police not moving when there was clear evidence that was linking these suspected shooters. Well, Khan was never approached to provide a statement or information even though there was information that was linking him to the murders. And the same information was actually shared with the head of organized crime investigations, Major General Richard Shabir. Remember him? The one who's now sus fired from the SAPS cuz he received monies from Kat Matala.

[00:09:52]News 24 shared with him the information that links Khan to the murders.

[00:09:58]What did Shibiri do? Not much. In fact, you know who else was also involved in overseeing this investigation? The deputy police national police commissioner Shadrach Sabya.

[00:10:12]Didn't he say that he met with the families? In fact, the family of the Mar family to explain where the process is.

[00:10:19]And remember Shahak Sabia and Major General Richard Shibiri have got a close relationship and who were they benefiting from Kad Madala.

[00:10:31]Shibiri has already confirmed I received what over 70,000 rand or so from Kad Madala. Shadra Sabia has denied but we know about those imbalas that were transported to his farm from Kat Madala facilitated by a third party.

[00:10:46]So let's connect the dots here.

[00:10:49]Khan, according to reports, is accused of being involved in the murders cuz the suspected shooter of this father and son worked for the company that Firo Khan rigged a tender for with the help of remember Fanni Malef a former Treasury official.

[00:11:09]So, you've got Andrea Johnson who says, "I'm walking away from this relationship because I see what you're being accused of, and I'm I I think that Andrea Johnson saw something there that really implicates Khan, and that's why she decided to boldly start shifting away from the relationship. But then we have to look at why has the investigation not moved anywhere despite clear evidence, despite information that was linking certain people to the murders. Well, [clears throat] look at who was doing the investigations. You will get the answer.

[00:11:47]General Shibiri is the head of organized crime investigations. Even when they shared information with him, what did he do about it? Shadrach Sabia is the deputy national police commissioner who was overseeing the investigations.

[00:12:04]Maybe it was in their own interest for there to be no progress here because then it protects General Khan. I don't know. I'm trying to connect the dots here. It doesn't make sense that even with overwhelming evidence, there's still no arrests in this double murder case.

[00:12:23]And when you look at the people who were responsible for overseeing the investigation, there are compromised people in the SAPS who may or may not have tried to protect Fros Khan.

[00:12:35]How do you connect the dots? Let me know on 011883072.

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[00:12:44]Also, the the Baptist Nazareth church leader um Shambe has invited the king, Mrs. Zulukin for tea. Did you see that?

[00:12:53]That's the latest now um since the king insulted him. Remember the king was heard on a viral video calling the Sheambe leader an idiot. And in that leaked video, the king is in a heated verbal argument directed at his third wife. So he appears to be intoxicated in the video holding a bottle of alcohol and he'sard insulting this third wife.

[00:13:18]and he even refers to Sheambe as an idiot, accusing his wife of cheating with a member of the church. So, King Mrs. Ulazulini has since issued an apology and even sent a delegation to meet with Sheambe to convey his apology and Sheambe promptly forgave the king and said that the matter was now under the bridge. And now we see that the Sheambe leader has now invited King Mrs. Zulu Aulitini for tea. And this just makes me wonder, have you ever in insulted or hurt someone and they reacted with grace?

[00:13:55]Or maybe you were hurt gossiping about someone or you sent a gossip to them about them instead of somebody else. Whatever the case is, have you ever insulted or maybe you've hurt someone and they reacted with a lot of grace? Or maybe you were the one that reacted with grace when someone hurt you or insulted you. Let me know. Share your experiences with us please on 011883072.

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[00:14:31]>> DSTV channel 856 >> 92.7 >> and 106 FM. [music] >> 22 23 minutes now after 9:00. I'm coming to your calls in a moment on 0118830702 your WhatsApps as well. I want to bring in Kyle Cohen first who is an investigative journalist at News24 joining us on the line cuz I'm still trying to connect the dots from what we heard from Andrea Johnson yesterday and why she walked away from you know the relationship that she had with Fi Khan.

[00:15:01]The reason being this double murder of uh the father and son, these liquidators, the Mar liquidators and I'm trying to connect it to the people who were overseeing the investigation because News24 has consistently been reporting about how there were evidence has been there, information was there that was linking the certain shooters to even Fio Khan. So Kyle Cohen is joining us now on the line. Kyle, thank you so much for coming through. Good morning.

[00:15:31]Good morning Clement. Thank you for having me.

[00:15:33]>> So um Andrea Johnson yesterday says I started to walk away from the relationship after I sat down with a relative a family member of you know Clut and Thomas Mar and I realized that these are serious allegations. I'm going to move off. Right. What I'm trying to determine now is cuz I remember reading a number of the articles that you have written and investigation pieces you've written where you indicated that evidence has always been clear like there were inexplicable delays. There was critical evidence that was not followed up. There were key persons of interest that were not interviewed for more than 3 years after the shooting.

[00:16:12]And when I checked who was overseeing the investigations, then you see the names of General Richard Shibiri. You see Shadracha saying, "Hey, I met with the family." Were they overseeing investigations and could that tell us perhaps give us a sense of why we haven't seen progress in this case? So [snorts] Clement, yeah, in my investigations for News2 24, you know, shortly after the murder of Clinton Thomas Murray on the 18th of March, 2023, my attention shifted very quickly from the apparent perpetrators to the police actually investigating the case and why they were not following up certain leads, why certain work was not being done. And uh that case was initially driven by an investigation team under Brigadier Pulani Hopane who is the head of Fate organized crime. And uh to say that their performance in that investigation was questionable and I I think suspect is is an understatement.

[00:17:03]And in those efforts, you know, and in feedback to the family and uh trying to understand what exactly was going on, we started to build a picture, you know, um you know, I started to to to understand that there were very senior police officials who were potentially linked to some of the suspects in this in these cases. And that could explain why there were these delays and why critical evidence wasn't being followed up. So, we consistently try to, you know, bring that attention, you know, that to the attention of the public. And behind the scenes, the family were trying to put this case before as many senior police officials as they possibly could in order to try and exact some accountability from the system to try and push the case forward. Um, you know, and I think it's actually quite gling and and I think we have to remember these are this is a family who, you know, in in in James Murray's case, he lost his father and his brother, Renata Murray, lost her husband and her youngest son. And here they were trying to push the case a little bit forward, trying to get the police to do their jobs. And that's where we see names like General Richard Subiri, General Shadra Sabia being involved. They were approached to try and light a fire under the investigation team. Needless to say, Clement, here we are. It's almost August 2026. It's more than 3 years later. None of those efforts have prevailed. None of none of that has worked. And the case is still, you know, sort of where right where it was 2 or 3 years ago.

[00:18:22]>> Yeah. It's it's really just shocking. So what do we understand about the link though to Fros Khan and and the suspected shooter?

[00:18:30]>> So this is something that came up very early in my investigation that you know the senior figure crime intelligence general Fros Khan was potentially friends and known associates with several of the people that we were investigating as persons of interest alongside the police investigation. And um you know in my work for News24 Clement I was able to to drill down into these connections and understand this network behind the scenes. So when James Murray met with Andrea Johnson it was again part of those efforts to try and get the case moving trying to push it forward. And these issues about Faras Khan were known back then already as late you know as early as late 2023 middle 2024. But because of an active investigation ongoing, you know, we as News24 have to try and strike a balance between what information can we put in the public domain without damaging the case while trying to extract some accountability. That doesn't of course mean that behind the scenes there wasn't a lot going on.

[00:19:26]>> And Khan's link here, you know, we're talking about supercar rallies, events that are being attended with these people, but you know, there is no direct evidence, and I must be very, very clear on this. There's no direct evidence linking for Ros Khan to the commission of of the murders of Clut and Thomas Murray. So what my hypothesis has always been that I've been working on is that the reason why the case is languishing, the reason why we are seeing this delay in this investigation is because maybe someone senior in the police is pulling strings and all roads led back to Major General Faras Khan being the most influential person that is connected to almost every single one of the persons of interest. No. And which company did the suspected shooter work for?

[00:20:08]>> Uh he was a at that time he was a director of a of a a car company called the 357 in Kayami.

[00:20:15]>> It's a performance car company.

[00:20:17]>> Isn't that the same company that Khan you know had rigged a tender for with the help of that funny male a treasury official.

[00:20:26]>> Correct. So Mr. Ismile Valley is one of the other directors of the 357 along with Mr. Sanjay Jia and Mr. Brian Barwell, who we understand the police have been investigating as the driver of the vehicle used in the murders on the day, was a partner in this business. And this information has been known to the police since, you know, April of 2023.

[00:20:46]Um, Mr. Barwell has not been interviewed. Mr. Valley has not been interviewed. Mr. Jodia has not been interviewed. Mr. Khn was not interviewed. Um, so I think that it's very clear to me, Clement, that there's a nexus around the 357, this performance car shop. And uh you know, we all know that General Khan does love his fast cars and had a fleet of his own vehicles and some of which the 357 also worked on.

[00:21:09]>> Yeah. Kyle Cohen, thank you so much for chatting to us and thanks for your great work um in trying to get to the bottom of this and getting the police to go further with their investigations. It's 28 after 9.

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[00:21:43]I brought in KL Cohen because I wanted you to just get a sense of what we are probably looking at here. I love connecting the dots. I I I enjoy sitting and looking at what the evidence that's being presented says, what someone says on the witness stand, and I go back to the information I've read about, and I say, "Oh, hold on. Um, maybe it makes sense why the uh Clutter and Thomas Mara cases never went case ever went anywhere. It's because the people who were overseeing these investigations were very compromised cops as we now know and at the time we didn't know but since the Mazanga commission we now know Shibiri and Shadrach Sabia Richard Shabiri and Shadrach Sabia these were the two people who were asked to escalate matters and to look into this double murder of these liquidators this father and son liquidator but the matter didn't go anywhere. I'm interested now in the relationship that Shadrach sabia has with Firos Khan. But here's another dot you may want to connect.

[00:22:52]Firos Khan was close to who? Julius Malma from the WhatsApp messages we've seen in some way right you know closeness is also quite subjective. Um but we know that they were communicating via sed. So these are people who had a relationship. And what were we told at the mad commission about Julius Malma and Shadrach Sabia? Wasn't there a witness who claimed that they close?

[00:23:18]There's a witness who came out and said they have a relationship Shadrach Sabia and Julius Malima. Where was Julius Malimma when Shadrach sib appeared at the ad hoc committee?

[00:23:29]He wasn't there.

[00:23:32]I'm just trying to connect the dots and I'm not saying this is what the picture is. I'm trying to show that Khan is close to certain people. Khan is likely close to Richard Shibiri and maybe even Shadak Sabia. Who knows? I don't know.

[00:23:48]Maybe they are because their affections here. General Tanlam Kunazi held a press briefing and said, "Why are you trying to arrest the head of crime intelligence? There are people here that have actually have have been proven to be compromised who are in the SAPS and then you've got Shadak Siba who comes out and says well that's crazy there's nothing like that then you've got Fio Khan I mean Konazi who says Firos Khan is very close to politicians you guys need to look into this man and then now we've got more information about Firos Khan and it's possible that he probably was assisted by the other people that he is in affection with in the SAPS maybe Shadak Shiba and Shibiri who used their own subordinates and officers to make sure that this case doesn't move anywhere because at some point it may lead back to Khan because again the suspected shooter of this father and son worked for a company according to reports for a company that Khan rigged a tender for with the help of that Treasury official Malifani.

[00:25:04]Someone on the WhatsApp on on Twitter sends a message and says, "Hi, Clement.

[00:25:08]This is Selby Mo says Clement. This Mari murder matter will end Andrea Johnson's credibility because she's claiming that she had a referral made to her by the victims and she didn't act on alleged criminality. IDC has powers to investigate section 28 referrals. your dots are connecting. Well, Selby Mo, I think you're making a good point, but remember, um, Andrea Johnson said, "I met with this Mar family member and and a friend." I'm not sure if this family member that met with Andrea Johnson made the section 27 referral or maybe they were just sharing information with Johnson informally. I'm not too too sure there. But what Andrea Johnson said was, "Oh, I met with this family member and after that I realized that something is fishy here regarding Khan and the allegation that he was involved in the murders and then I decided to walk away." But to your point, you have a point. If really, Andrea Johnson, there was a referral made for IDK to get involved here and investigate and they didn't, then yeah, I wonder what could be. And also I mean remember you have to ask them the question of does is does that fall within the mandate of IDK to investigate.

[00:26:28]It's so scary how infiltrated the justice system is. It really is. It's 20 minutes now before 10:00.

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[00:26:42]>> Walk the talk with Clementella >> on 702. [music] >> Morning Clement. I'll remain unnuous for this one. So, uh, I had to extend grace.

[00:26:53]Um, I literally just had to pretend as if I did not receive that message, even though I I did. Um, so it was from one of my ex-in-laws. Um, the message was not meant for me, but it was about me.

[00:27:08]Some pretty cringew worthy stuff said there. And yeah, I just had to be the bigger person. But yeah, there was a bit of awkwardness um for a couple of months and but yeah, we just got over it and I hope they they're fine. It wasn't discussed there. There was no forgiveness or anything like that, but yeah, I just pretended as if there isn't such a message that I received.

[00:27:38][laughter] >> Yeah.

[00:27:41]>> Sorry for the long voice note.

[00:27:42]>> No, no worries. It can really get awkward. Okay. Um, but that's so great.

[00:27:46]I mean, you've clearly extended grace here to someone who was gossiping about you and sent you a message that wasn't intended for you. Those things get awkward. I've I've been in that situation before where I was and for me it was worse because many years ago this is probably in 2013 2014 I sent a message to my colleague about my manager and it it's it's a message that the manager shouldn't have received. And guess what?

[00:28:18]the the message went straight to the manager instead of this colleague of mine who's also a friend. So yeah, things got a little awkward but I had a good relationship with this manager and it wasn't anything too bad. You know, you know, this manager of mine used to have someone who used to pick them up at work and this person was a famous person. So, we were trying to establish, oh, oh, are they in a relationship? And and that message went straight to the manager.

[00:28:48]And you know what I did? I called in sick the next day cuz I just couldn't I couldn't look at him. I was too scared.

[00:28:55]I called in sick the next day. Doctor booked me up for two days and I only got to see the the manager the following week who was very gracious about it and laughed it off. So, there are people who can do that like the Shambbe leader. I mean, did you hear the things that the Amazulu king said about the Shamba leader? He's accepted his apology and has went further to say, "Hey, if you've got time for some tea, my brother, let's have some tea." Hence, I'm asking you this morning, have you ever insulted or hurt someone and they reacted with grace? Or vice versa, maybe you are the one that reacted with grace after you were hurt or insulted by someone. H let me know. 07272172.

[00:29:39]>> Good morning Clement and 702 Landers. I think that Advocate Johnson should fall by the sword and protect her dignity, whatever is left of it because she has brought serious disrepute to IDAC. We do not trust Ida anymore and I think that she should rather leave. This is a from Nigel.

[00:30:02]>> Yeah. I I mean obviously you also don't want to make it that easy for a head of such an important institution that fights corruption to just easily be removed right you don't want that cuz otherwise with the political system we have that can easily be abused even by the president right if the head of IDC or the head of whatever corruption institution starts investigating let's say the president or people close to the president could decide let me just remove that person in this case you have to be quite cautious you must build in a framework that ensures yes there can still be accountability on the head of IDC but that's not going to be easily um abused so the president would have to institute a commission of inquiry into have fitness to hold office and then make a decision thereof or maybe they can have discussions behind the scenes and say just resign walk away um because otherwise if we institute a commission of inquiry Then you're going to be forced to resign. It's 15 minutes before 10.

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[00:31:14]>> 12 minutes before 10:00. I've been trying to connect the dots this morning.

[00:31:20]Uh Andrea Johnson no longer um has a relationship with Fio Khan because she seems to be concerned about the allegations uh against him in as far as the assassinations of Clutter and Thomas Mar are concerned and we know there are two people that have indicated that they looked into these matters. Um, in fact, News24 has had meetings with Major General Richard Shabiri or I think the family of the Mari family and they shared information with Richard Shibiri who was the head of organized crime investigations at the time but that didn't go anywhere right and there were just so many delays even though there was critical evidence and that critical evidence wasn't even followed up and the key persons of interest were never interviewed and major general Richard Shibiri who was the national head of organized crime investigations at the time didn't do much about that information.

[00:32:19]Um Shadrach Sabia who's the who was who's the deputy national police commissioner also didn't do much about all this clear evidence. I think he did say he met with the Mar family. Now that you know what you know about Shadrach Shiba, now that you know what you know about Major General Richard Shibiri, [clears throat] are you surprised that this investigation went nowhere and it somehow allegedly somehow links back to the deputy head of crime intelligence, Vio Khan, because the suspected shooter, remember the suspected shooter of this father and son liquidators worked for a company that Khan allegedly rigged a tender for with the help of a Treasury official.

[00:33:08]So if that is the case, then it makes sense then why these top police officers didn't move anywhere with the investigation because that would have ultimately probably led and pointed back to Fidos Khan.

[00:33:25]How are we going to root out crime if we have officers in the service who would rather protect each other instead of doing everything possible to get to the bottom of a crime that's affected a family to get to the bottom of the murders that have affected people who are just doing their work who are liquidators but clearly they touched something and started investigating something that clearly they shouldn't have. But where do we run to if we can't even trust the very police who are supposed to protect us?

[00:33:57]>> Hi Clement. Um I'm just wondering why the SIU and SARS have not moved in on Khan because clearly the guy was living way beyond his means.

[00:34:09]And if someone can declare what 30 cars in one year, where did he get such money on his salary?

[00:34:18]or maybe there are moves a foot by the SIU and S that we don't know about just wondering in gist morning for me it's just how evasive she was I mean at some point she remember when um the evidence leader wanted to ascertain from her if she as head of IDC has the power to overturn decisions or overrule decisions made by investigators uh She refused. She was just being evasive and saying that she doesn't have um she hasn't exercised such powers. But she was asked do you have such a power you know um I saw um advocate um being quite um you know irritated and and just because I I they keep ducking and diving you know. Prince Johannesburg >> voice [music] >> your station >> your open line. Walk the talk with Clemens when Taylor >> on 7:02.

[00:35:18]>> It's going up to 5 minutes now before 10:00. So Andrea Johnson has now taken the hot seat at the Madanga Commission.

[00:35:27]So yesterday refusing to answer some of the questions related to the allegation she faces that she had tipped off Fio Khan um a few years ago when she was a senior investigator um at the NPA and sent him through a third party information about a complainant against Khan. I mean you don't make this stuff up. And then Pariachi, Brian Piachi, a senior investigator at IDC just last week was telling us that while he was sitting across Fio Khan, he somehow shared with him the statement of Mule doesn't make sense. And yet Firos Khan is actually a witness in the case.

[00:36:12]If that's the case, then why would you allow Fio Khan to have sight of Moule's statement? Then Parayashi tried to claim that well it was in front of me at the time and it's not that I gave it to him.

[00:36:24]No, if he had sight of it, he read it.

[00:36:27]There's only one way. In fact, as an investigator, you must be cautious. You can't be opening statements of, you know, about someone and you're sitting with a witness and you're not hiding that. That's actually quite irresponsible because then you are sitting across someone who is going to be a witness. You don't want them to sort of have information about the person who is being investigated to sort of favor them and what story they're going to tell the state when the matter goes to trial.

[00:36:59]Some of your messages that are coming through. Sapo says, "Hi, Clement. The concept of police uh prosecuting each other is a common thing. It happens even at police station level. That's a or protecting." So the concept of uh police protecting each other uh is is a common thing. It even happens at police station level. That's a message from TPO. Yeah, clearly. And then another one says, "Hi, Clement. Um, another dot to connect the alleged shooter for the Mars Bernett who was also who has also been linked in a hail of who was also is it killed?" It's a bit Okay, let's try that again. Hi, Clement. Another dot to connect the alleged shooter of the Maris Bernett who has also been killed in a hail of bullets outside Mil Park Hospital was also a very close friend of the Canelix directors. The there are photos of them in front of a fleet of luxury vehicles. Oh, you see there's another dot now dot that's now collecting. So the alleged shooter of the Mars was killed in a hail of bullets right outside Mel Park Hospital. He had a close friend, had a close relationship with the Kelix directors.

[00:38:23]And you know the relationship that Khan had, right, with some of the directors at Kelix and their photos cuz they used to take pictures in front of these luxury vehicles.

[00:38:36]The dots are beginning to connect now.

[00:38:39]But to what end and to what point if the police themselves are not interested in these dots because they're going to link to someone who is probably close to them or to someone that they're trying to protect.

[00:38:54]That's the set state of affairs.