How Orlando Pirates & Mamelodi Sundowns Built Championship Dynasties | Bafana Bafana squad

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[00:00:00]Disky ringers. Disk is our thing.

[00:00:02]Ringers is what we do. These two gentlemen had the honor, the pleasure of commentating in the continental showpiece. But before we get to continental showpiece, I said here and I predicted that will not win the title, the Bway premiership. There's many titles. We must be very specific.

[00:00:23]>> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

[00:00:27]I shall have a pie.

[00:00:31]>> You can talk about >> I see you're wearing tell us what does it feel like to win the league after 14 years.

[00:00:39]>> Let me have my pie in peace.

[00:00:45]>> Yo, uh the last weekend >> uh it was like a movie.

[00:00:52]>> Yeah, you can say that again. Especially Especially when you look at relegation.

[00:00:57]>> Yeah.

[00:01:03]>> Uh are they playing today or they played yesterday? They played today.

[00:01:07]>> Captain City.

[00:01:08]>> They play Tuesday.

[00:01:08]>> Saturday.

[00:01:10]>> No, I mean the playoffs >> or they played >> Saturday.

[00:01:13]>> Milford played Cape Town City.

[00:01:15]>> Yeah, but it's played on Saturday.

[00:01:17]>> Yes.

[00:01:17]>> Against Cape Town City.

[00:01:18]>> So Cape Town City can't lose two in a row.

[00:01:22]>> Yeah. So, but uh congratulations to the >> congratulations to the >> No, we still on those who so yes it another humble.

[00:02:00]So yeah, what a season. Yeah, >> but please I said it the last time.

[00:02:10]I use that word.

[00:02:18]Mhm. And then when we fight nice one, >> the one thing that's very clear to win the championship is not easy. Mhm.

[00:02:37]>> Orlando Pirates through the show Bucks Camp.

[00:02:39]>> When you see things that are happening there, it was not always nice. It was not always pretty.

[00:02:45]>> You see Wadu fighting and everything.

[00:02:47]Championships are not uh nice to be able to be in there.

[00:02:52]>> You mentioned fighting maybe in the change room. Um some people maybe say, you know, and the fact is City had a send off for Pep Guardiola, right?

[00:03:01]>> They played videos >> of Pep and one of those videos was Pep going off. Mhm.

[00:03:06]>> in the change room.

[00:03:08]>> He even apologized for it after they played it. But the point I'm trying to make is whether it's whether it's Kosu, whether it's pizza or rulani, all your favorite coach, Kaz, um any coach you can think of at that level, >> there comes a day, there comes a moment, there comes a time when you need to have a goal.

[00:03:27]>> And coaches will have a goal. The best coaches have a goal and get the best out of those players. And while the important thing is he players, congratulations to Orlando Pirates. Like say it was a movie in the way it ended.

[00:03:43]>> It was a bit of a movie. A bit dramatic.

[00:03:46]>> Um but yeah, congratulations to Pirates.

[00:03:48]>> Look, I I I think one of the things going back to the issue, it's never I mean when you watch the last dance of Michael Jordan, >> he says if you want the championship, I'm not going to be nice.

[00:03:58]>> Yeah. Because this is not >> and what championships takes. We go to Formula 1. Nico Rosbach after winning the championship after beating Lewis Hamilton >> in his team >> said this took everything out of me to win this championship >> emotionally. Everything he took it is draining and that's why he retired.

[00:04:19]>> Brato the way that Orlando Pirates went about their business they were very intentional. Very very navig ation.

[00:04:40]Okay. The first stop Premier Premier League, the second stop Champions League. Unfortunately, but you can tell this is a team and they took everything. They took everything. I mean the only trophy that's the only cuz we're there.

[00:05:10]>> Yes.

[00:05:13]So the hopefully fight because I believe the squad I hear you >> but they're going to need to reinforce because it's very rare that the same squad goes back. Yes. The majority have to be there season. M >> whereby the majority has to be there but pirates have to reinforce to give them depth again.

[00:05:47]>> Firstly um I can't imagine pirates not going into the group stages of the Champions League.

[00:05:53]>> Already you're thinking reinforcements.

[00:05:55]Uh some players there this season >> won't be there next season. Mbas I don't think will be part of the Paris squad next season. They need reinforcements in the striking department is the point I'm going at. Zamini Müs, a few others. Um, question marks just due to game time.

[00:06:14]>> Um, and defensively as well.

[00:06:16]>> There might be a few needs for reinforcements as well. I don't know if Ki will be part of the squad next season.

[00:06:23]>> Um, so you need to reinforce.

[00:06:25]>> They lost mid-season.

[00:06:27]>> So yeah, they'll need to reinforce defensively as well. Um, so yeah, going into next season, they definitely need to reinforce. The big question for me where Orlando Pirates is concerned is um will they need to reinforce in the coaching department as well. The nice thing with Orlando Pirates um is this season success >> is years in the making.

[00:06:46]>> Yes.

[00:06:46]>> Three years in the making. It's been coming for three years and they've knocked it out the park right to a point where Wadu who has his own technical team >> came here without a technical team found a technical team found the system running. Yes.

[00:06:58]>> They just he was he was just feeling a cog really. He didn't come with his own new philosophy and he just kept things moving along.

[00:07:06]>> So if he does leave, I do believe if they get the right man, should he leave?

[00:07:10]I don't know if he's going to leave as yet, but should he leave? It looks like he might. They just need the right man to come in like he did, carry on the work the others have done, including Wu.

[00:07:20]Um, interesting when you now find out sometime at the start of the season after the two losses, >> he wanted to leave.

[00:07:26]>> He said he wanted to leave. They actually had to talk and we believe in you stick it out. Yeah.

[00:07:31]>> No, he said it. He wanted to leave. He wanted to resign.

[00:07:33]>> He wasn't hearay. He said it himself. He said it out after that.

[00:07:38]>> Yeah. Early season. So they had to talk him to stay in saying we believe in you.

[00:07:43]It'll turn and it did turn. It's not easy this job. Um lots of pressure.

[00:07:50]>> One day is a job. You must be a kid manager. That's what evidence >> um if if if Guadu stays great for Paris.

[00:08:01]Continuities for meant especially after success >> and you're trying to build on success.

[00:08:06]But if he leaves it'll be very interesting seeing going forward what the scenario is. What I do find interesting in the league race and I'm talking just the league race now. I'm not going beyond that.

[00:08:15]>> Number one, two and three >> may all have new coaches coming season depending on what's now with Koso. if he stays because we don't know. Um >> Chiefs have already haveve already pulled the trigger. I know Chiefs it's out there.

[00:08:27]>> It makes the continuity of the season rather interesting, doesn't it?

[00:08:31]>> Congratulations. You are starting. But here here's the one thing that's very important. There's a statement that >> when Dr. Patrice Mipe bought Melody Sundowns and he took full ownership of it.

[00:08:43]>> He said I want Sundowns to dominate the local football >> to conquer local football and dominate in terms of Bafana Bafan that's intention from ownership. I remember when they launched the sponsorship of Amstar to Amsterdam he said we want this thing there's no beating about he was speaking to Brahma and Chloe and he said we want this thing we are very clear we're not going to be like politician and beat about what does it say about how important is leadership in terms of ownership saying this is the target let's not let's not say well if we are there we are there chief before you arrive.

[00:09:25]>> This is the mission.

[00:09:26]>> And and and and I think if if I was someone who's owning a company, first thing first, whatever.

[00:09:43]Yeah. Whatever the target is. Yes.

[00:09:49]Especially in football. In football.

[00:09:53]Uh, we've been trying to win Bedway Premiership.

[00:09:59]Here's the budget. How many players you need?

[00:10:03]Respond. Okay. Here's the budget. Go get at the end Premier League Champions League.

[00:10:14]I think you are clear and straight.

[00:10:24]Afric the big fish.

[00:10:36]>> The big fish. Yes. The big fish.

[00:10:38]>> I know people say now I know people now say the league is the big fish, but Peter was very clear. The big fish is the continental one.

[00:10:45]>> The big fish is the continental one. So I think I think I think the the way the approach I think it was clear what we want is this one more players team >> and let's dominate >> and pirates followed suit because the other thing to add on to what Braate is saying and then once you've said this is the mandate that I want >> you need to create things like one the budget >> have a proper scout out in teams of getting the right players >> which is pirates by by by perfect >> which pirates this season this past season >> came out with flying colors.

[00:11:25]>> We we heard Dr. in that speech um say five year plan >> end of the five-year plan now is what TDC >> and PS >> that's a work in progress that's why I get a it's this is something that's been years in the making and they've been getting closer and closer to it >> it's it's it's a plan where um we saw pirates up their game marketing wise >> oh up their game social media up their game in the way they look I mean pirates up their game to a point where we want to see them walk out and do the pitch inspection.

[00:12:00]>> G, >> I mean, if I want to see you do a pitch inspection, >> you've upped your game, bro. Um, they up their game in getting supporters to the stadium. It wasn't a this season thing.

[00:12:10]Yes, this season they broke records in that regard, but like I've been saying for the last three seasons, it's been building this thing. even in the stands the atmosphere and the cherry on top obviously is I'm still coming on board and the stadium be called the arena but you understand it's many different avenues then the final thing was getting on the field so have up the game over the last 5 years in so many different avenues that you have to you have to give it up to them which I mean check all those teams how many players from that league.

[00:13:04]So premiership >> there's there's a few things we have to take into account. TDC is one of them.

[00:13:12]Vast football is another >> football.

[00:13:15]>> Um uh when you look at the first vast football class and them how many from that class went on to play PSU many. Ghana.

[00:13:26]>> So South African football and its structure over the last 10 15 years has improved in such a way that there's we supplementing the game. First we said no in um the first division you have to have a certain number of under 23s. That was a long-term vision from long ago but it's serving its purpose cuz I've got a good young player and um actually I spoke to a a player from Super Sport United. I forget his name now. Jesse um that's retired now. Yes. Um spoke to him a couple of weeks ago and he spoke of how important the time um Apollos went on loan in the NFD was cuz he wanted to leave football. He didn't believe he was going to make it anymore. So when he went to the NFD he got his love for the game back >> cuz also he was an under 23 player then so he was getting his game time there.

[00:14:13]>> Yes. So he was getting his game time there. So do you understand how all those changes that have been made over the years or the improvements them such as DDC such as vast football they all now culminating to a point where the standard of the PSL has been raised and we see that how do we know the PSL has been raised we see it in the CF confederations cup we see it in the CF Champions League >> ma I hear you I I hear the countrywide chief I'm not going to be in this generous mood all the time >> have made football decisions cuz even I I remember going to the derby and you know that lift that you you use for the players >> you keep mentioning yeah I know that that lift chief it's small things like that cuz remember Kaiser Chiefs uses the same stadium >> detail >> the marketing team of Orlando Pirates was clear to the detailb >> cuz they said as you arrived there was a sticker that said the only team that has won the two trophies that count >> inside the lift >> inside the lift.

[00:15:11]>> How so? And then the bench yaka was saying home team and the chiefs one was saying the away team >> and then to top it off you had melody who was the stadium announcer >> every time a substitution would made he say the away team.

[00:15:27]>> Yes mental >> mental >> and and and when you look at and I remember speaking to a couple of people saying Orlando Pirates Orlando was the place to be. There was a vibe had that stadium You just had that feeling that there's something happening at Pirates that says this thing is taken very serious. Even now, I mean, they are they're in the US.

[00:15:51]There's a team that's in the US playing.

[00:15:53]>> It's a serious matter. Take yourself serious.

[00:15:57]>> Don't be emotional. Relax. This is Premiership.

[00:16:03]>> So, it's it's those things when you look at it, you then say this is what pirates did. And >> for me it was and the good thing that I like about what happened was that it's not that Sundowns dropped standards.

[00:16:16]>> It was that Pirates lifted their standards.

[00:16:19]>> Yeah.

[00:16:20]>> Yeah.

[00:16:21]>> Because they've gone they've goten the standards to the standards.

[00:16:24]>> Yes. They may not have reached 70 points but to be at 68.

[00:16:28]>> Yeah.

[00:16:29]>> 68 69 playing around those points you are now saying.

[00:16:32]>> How many clean sheets?

[00:16:34]>> I mean China is going to the World Cup.

[00:16:36]I mean it's it's it's they they lift the standards all through the game.

[00:16:40]>> All through all through all through it seems like the business-wise of Orlando Pirates. You look at Bucks Camp on TV.

[00:16:46]You look at Giant.

[00:16:48]That's the point I'm making. Everything everything.

[00:16:56]>> No, imagine imagine six seven eight nine year olds.

[00:17:00]You get to follow the Land of Pirates story season by season in season out.

[00:17:05]You you get to see what's happening.

[00:17:08]>> Um mobile how they fill the whole stadium just pirate supporters.

[00:17:11]>> Wait, >> you know how many new young supporters are joining Paris now.

[00:17:16]>> Wait. So >> you know what I mean? The way they've marketed it, the way they they're pushing it, social media, everything, >> the care >> and then but when you get to the stadium, it's still the vibe.

[00:17:25]>> That's I'm saying everything everything combined the the way they're doing it now. Um what I'm saying where Paris are going to benefit. already second maybe most supported team in the country.

[00:17:36]>> They are winning so many new young supporters right now as we speak that in 5 10 years time it's going to be scary.

[00:17:44]They continue in this vein. It's going to be scary because it's a Tuesday.

[00:17:59]I just want to be on the stage like you can tell.

[00:18:05]>> Yeah. So, Orlando Pirates as a team >> as as an organization >> as an organization >> institution >> and their fans >> and they've launched a new jersey coming up.

[00:18:15]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:18:15]>> These guys before I wait for the World Cup to come and go looking. This is fire. It's dope. It's dope. It's dope.

[00:18:22]So, yeah. pick up too.

[00:18:29]>> Next year is 2020.

[00:18:33]>> Maybe.

[00:18:35]>> No, no, no. But Orlando Pirates, we take off the red cap for you. You've done things that others we can normally wish for.

[00:18:44]>> You're moving in. They're moving.

[00:18:46]They're moving in all the right ways from in every aspect of the game. You guys are moving in the right direction.

[00:18:53]>> It's It's They're setting the bar right now.

[00:18:56]>> They really are setting the bar right now.

[00:18:58]>> Now that I've had my humble out of Now that I've had my humble pie, well done, pirates.

[00:19:02]>> Hallelujah.

[00:19:13]Hala h in the words of the minister of uh electricity declarations to make at immigration.

[00:19:28]>> I I had both these gentlemen.

[00:19:32]They commentated when broke the the Moroccan heart. What a game though.

[00:19:39]>> You know to win the Champions League.

[00:19:44]>> I don't think it's easy. Rani wanted four more years >> when he asked for four more years to win it. Four. And that's not a Mickey Mouse coach saying it.

[00:19:54]>> That's a top top top top quality coach.

[00:19:57]One of the best I've ever seen. top >> top in the style of play he had.

[00:20:01]Beautiful. Beautiful.

[00:20:03]>> Um when he says to you, "This thing is difficult. I need four more years."

[00:20:06]>> Listen.

[00:20:08]>> Um for him to leave and somehow to do it within two with a new coach.

[00:20:14]>> One. And now look at how they did it.

[00:20:18]The two goals they scored, both of them world class, bro.

[00:20:22]First leg >> and it needed something special.

[00:20:24]>> Yeah.

[00:20:25]um in a second league and it needed something special. Um special man quality like the best goals for the best league for the best stage on where the world is watching >> and Ronza to save that penalty.

[00:20:41]>> Oh, and then another moment that's crazy for me. You know, you need a players to step up. Mina is definitely one of them.

[00:20:47]Ronza is definitely one of them. I thought maybe the third player um that I would have wanted to step up.

[00:20:53]>> No, no. Yeah, obviously the combination.

[00:20:56]Uh, no, no, no. I'm talking spying, not not everybody.

[00:21:01]Let me just make this point. But Ronan definitely one of them. Roman in making the mistake character is how you respond to that mistake.

[00:21:09]>> He made the mistake. He gave away the penalty. Yeah, we all think some may have thought World Cup. Some may have thought it. But then he comes up with a play that's insane. The save is insane. the timing, when it's made, how it could have swayed the match vitro. Now, then run does something else towards the end of the game >> where he starts shouting at the bench saying, "Listen, I want to take off this arm, man. Bring t on >> and he's shouting. He's fighting. Hey, 6 minutes to go."

[00:21:38]>> 4 minutes to go with 8 minutes added on.

[00:21:41]>> Introduce the man. They he fought the first time then they missed the goal.

[00:21:45]The clear chance they had again instead of seeing the goal kick. Yeah, instead of fetching the ball and he's fighting I don't want to lift the trophy and respectfully not that he doesn't want to lift the trophy respecting respecting what has done for me that's a big thing from Ron he's done it again remember's first game from it that's yo man say what you want about Williams um form comes and goes >> quality is there forever and also the man inside >> and Roman Roman is a top quality man it shows on that day again shows on that day when you need him. Muda you need him in the first leg shows and remember Muda has had his problems injuries or red cards. It's not all been smooth sailing including a tip of form in the early season before the FCON and um playing under pain under it. There's one point where >> you can tell us is bandaging here my man this chest you can see this guy's leaving from here he's going to get to South Africa he's going under the knife but um so you step up in a big moment like that to play through playing through those two games you need a guys to come through and show character to give away the penalty early >> and play the rest of the game as well as he played show character after a difficult moment and yeah if you want to be champion of Africa >> yeah guys like that >> now I hope I did are strong because pum had carried a man the captain of ASR he was hanging on for dear life on >> no you saw whatever that's 99 he wasn't carrying the man he was carrying sandals now the nickname now we call Tamble it's not a football player is then when you call you tabs and rumble in as a football player.

[00:23:54]So go into this match ping the internet and everything come across this if kadoso how we need this c champions league on the night you will be the first coach >> three terms final >> so M the guy the guy the guy >> went four times >> win three one. So look now I'll say the following.

[00:25:00]>> I was not a kadoso fan and I'm not a kadoso fan but it still remains.

[00:25:10]No no no let me let me let me finish.

[00:25:12]Hey this guy's deep.

[00:25:15]So for me is that because sometimes you know you know as people when suddenly things go well it's almost they forget that there was a time where sundowns we were like >> what sundowns is this that we playing >> around December we were like what sundowns is this before I've gone break but I believe he was a necessary antidote that sundowns needed because we were all about nice football shoe shine and beyond he was a necessary man for the I'll give you an example with the Real Madrid coach. I used to be a big fan of Spain coach. I used to be a huge fan of Vincent Bask.

[00:25:53]>> Oh >> yeah.

[00:25:56]>> Yeah. Um wins the Champions League with Madrid. Bra, it makes sense to me. You know what I mean? Like they got rid of him. um not because um he didn't give them success but maybe they maybe his way of doing things and the club's way of running things done didn't g >> so they were part of ways gentlemen thank you very much you've done your your job >> and thank you very much this this partways Hallelujah.

[00:26:36]>> Hallelujah. And and I'm saying that to say this, maybe if if ways at the end of the season, to me, it'll be one of those type of situations.

[00:26:54]Good luck.

[00:26:58]You know, >> well, I luckily can do with a coach that can get them qualified. So many so many we so many so many want to come back to where these guys are. So, it's happened in football before.

[00:27:08]>> It won't be a surprise to me if it happens again. Sundowns cuz the big thing we've all been asking about the Chiefs, I mean, for Chiefs to finish third, not finishing in the top eight last season to to qualify again for Confederate Cup, >> they're still saying, let's part ways.

[00:27:29]>> Yeah, >> there's no waiting for things to get ugly to part ways. So it happens in football and if it happens in Sundays I'm not saying Kos but I'm saying if it happens um I believe it's one of those scenarios.

[00:27:39]>> Okay.

[00:27:40]>> Hallelujah.

[00:27:42]>> No no no no. You see the thing is I can't act like I've been a supporter based on what I saw. I saw ugly things in November in January >> because you were saying hey and I think it took a turn when Sundowns was to play >> MCL J. That was the big turning point.

[00:28:01]>> Before then, >> the second rulani game >> before then it was not pretty things but we are grateful that he's delivered. We are continental champions. We have things to declare unlike is just on the road.

[00:28:15]>> Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that.

[00:28:28]But the one thing that has then come is that Kaiser Chiefs has had a better season.

[00:28:34]>> Much >> Kaza and his stats, they were not lying those stats.

[00:28:38]>> No.

[00:28:38]>> But the other thing was that again now what's my nickname next season?

[00:28:43]>> We must find you a nickname Mr. stats because one of the things that is very important is the fact that one when you look at it you've done better than what other teams have been doing in the past decade >> other Chiefs teams.

[00:28:57]>> Yes.

[00:28:57]>> Except for the million.

[00:28:59]>> Yes.

[00:28:59]>> Yes.

[00:29:00]>> So you've done better but this is Kaiser Chiefs.

[00:29:04]>> Mhm.

[00:29:05]>> They are called at lema boys for a reason >> which is why mills with him because he got them so close but they still weren't playing the Chiefs way.

[00:29:13]>> Yes. Many people believe that they play the Chiefs. So it happens.

[00:29:17]>> So Chief's way.

[00:29:20]Come on.

[00:29:26]Boys.

[00:29:26]>> Yeah.

[00:29:27]>> So, let me put it this way.

[00:29:30]>> No. No. I'm going to give you how.

[00:29:33]>> No. I'll give you how I saw Chiefs.

[00:29:36]>> No. I'll give you how ISO chiefs play >> and you can say you can.

[00:29:43]No always say Chiefs always had a player that was the creative one can go anywhere.

[00:29:51]>> Creative ones.

[00:29:53]>> No, just in a in a particular team at a particular I know over the seasons. I'm just >> No, there's a time when they were all there at the same time sometimes.

[00:30:02]>> So hear me out.

[00:30:04]>> So back in the day when you was >> you had ace as a as a similar date who was the connector. So those two always went in that way of playing that way.

[00:30:16]The wing play was always important because that's what made the squeamu.

[00:30:23]So the wing has always been important. A lethal striker a goani those would dominate you.

[00:30:41]So when you look at it, the midfield play is very important to Kaiser Chiefs.

[00:30:45]>> Now when you look at the current Kaiser Chiefs are you saying who are the midfielders that you say can hold the ball, dictate terms in a flare way in this current team uh thing is it just it hasn't come together as yet. Guys look at where Chiefs is from. I'm not saying they don't have those players. No no no no no. This current team this current team um that's two three four five years. Um, right now you've gone from players that are scared maybe to make a mistake because of the pressure chiefs and the way things are going to players that are now gaining confidence and wanting to play.

[00:31:14]>> Players that are saying whether it's Paris or Zahu, if if it's war, it's war.

[00:31:19]>> If people must fall, they must fall. Now the confidence is growing. Now they want to play. Um, Chiefs will be scary next season when D's confidence is even further up. When Vagaz is confidence, now I'm talking creative players now.

[00:31:31]Um might leave but was another one where I believe if was there at a time when Chiefs was flying he was going to add to that creatively but he was there when the chiefs were coming out of the dark >> you know into the light. So um they've got the players they've got them they've got them um they can add to what they've got. Yes. But um Chiefs is now moving from we are scared. We are under pressure as players maybe individuals.

[00:32:03]>> Um to yeah no no no we can take them.

[00:32:06]>> Let's play.

[00:32:06]>> Yeah let's play. If you want to play we play. If you want to fight we can fight.

[00:32:10]>> You know what I mean? We've already seen that as if you want to fight we can fight. And it's worked for them against Pirates and Sundowns. Um Wadu talked about kicks. Uh Kadoso talked about kicks and sometimes you need to make it accurate.

[00:32:21]>> Cubido's shoulder still talking about >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Even pirates in the past. I mean, Mori Mori was out for a couple of weeks because >> yeah, so look, nothing Chiefs is moving in the right direction. Um, they don't have too much to tweak the squad. It's already moving in the right direction, >> but they do have players of that.

[00:32:42]They must just grow in confidence. I think they just need to find >> a playing pattern, a coach that can say >> and let's stick to this style >> and bring out the best >> cuz there was never a time I felt that they had that together.

[00:32:55]>> Yeah.

[00:32:56]>> You know, it's like every week they were trying new things. It's like uh telling him to do pictures.

[00:33:01]>> She's playing five at the back.

[00:33:02]>> Do pictures.

[00:33:03]>> She's playing five at the back.

[00:33:05]>> So though, but having said all that, Bafana Bafana was selected.

[00:33:11]The team is out. There are some shocking surprises. H for me talking of Chiefs >> cross >> Bradley was a shock for me.

[00:33:19]>> Biggest biggest biggest surprise.

[00:33:21]>> He cross >> biggest biggest surprise for me. Um I didn't see it coming.

[00:33:25]>> I really didn't see it coming.

[00:33:27]>> I really and I'm not saying he's not a dope player. I like the dude. Um I've liked seeing him struggle and seeing him come out of the struggles. Like I said about play, there was a game at Super Sport United >> um >> where he had a shock at the 4-1 Kevin Super Sport United. Shocker came back strong.

[00:33:47]>> Um there was a game when was just coming with that neck and he was like let's go.

[00:33:54]Let's go. Let's go. It reminded me of Gobessa and Phil Phil Evans. Remember that time when goes reminded me of that day you know reminded me of that day. I I had flashbacks to that day. Um, and he came back strong, this kid, that's the thing.

[00:34:07]He came back strong. He responded well to his. And the thing is, remember, he's not a left back naturally. He's a center back. Is that he's nice on the ball >> and we've seen, you know, >> Yeah. No, development wise, we can tell he's gone overseas. He's nice on the ball. So, um, I'm shocked he made the team, but not shocked cuz he's working.

[00:34:30]He made the team. I just didn't see it coming cuz there was never a time when we considered him in the team.

[00:34:35]>> But it's also the fact that Madala believes in people that he's worked with before and he's very loyal to those who have been with him.

[00:34:45]No position has got flyers.

[00:34:55]Let's be fair. I think I think the one thing that happened was the fact that those that are in Modi's positions are in Mo's position. Sorry, not Mo. No, in Mo's position. No, no, no, no. Cuz you're looking at >> you're starting with Koulisu.

[00:35:08]>> No, I didn't mention him. I come up to that naughty.

[00:35:12]>> You're being don't mention Koulis.

[00:35:14]Mention the guys that are fighting with Mo's possessions. Guys behind Koulis.

[00:35:17]Don't mention Kiso. Kiss there's no replacing him that if he's if he's fit, he's playing.

[00:35:22]>> Yeah.

[00:35:22]>> So, mention the other guys. And the one thing for me and when when you look at it you then have we will please when speak please take his advice. He gave Raina's advice. He said when you get to the national team you must hug from the security at the gate. You must hug the bus driver. You must you must hug everybody.

[00:35:53]I was like, "And where are you?"

[00:35:55]>> No. Um, some people took that the wrong way. It was said in chest, the whole thing. No.

[00:36:01]>> I was I was making fun of the fact that what more does this guy have to do >> to make the squad? Second top goal scorer last season to the Brazilian who left this season. Um, same. Um, what more shame? What more? What more? Um, so I guess the only thing left to do is vibes, bro. Like hug everyone, kiss everyone jokingly, you know? But it really it worked.

[00:36:25]>> But but for me it it is it is those things that you then say cuz he's worked with >> Hugo >> and come to Kafa as well. Yes.

[00:36:35]>> Come to Kosafa into the national team.

[00:36:37]>> The one thing that is a surprise/ not a surprise.

[00:36:41]>> Timberwani go back. Timberw gets injured where on national duty >> on bafana >> in the world cup qualifiers for Nigeria >> has a horrid season because of injuries.

[00:36:55]He's in and out. He's in and out and it's a recurring injuries.

[00:36:59]>> Now I feel like this is a full circle for to now be going to the World Cup. I mean Williams when they said was >> your thoughts on inclusion of one because by default it means that we now talking about the exclusion of I mean the bench because I believe So you start the game, you start the game with coaching, if you want to dance, give the ball, >> you don't know what to do, give the ball, looking at Timber's one, the the the player that he is, the amount of respect that the team has for him, how important do you think that is? cuz you hear Ronwin speak about it, you see players sing about it.

[00:38:04]>> When we spoke of the Champions League, we made one mistake. We forgot to congratulate Timber and um >> cuz this is their second >> second Champions League gold medals >> with Pito and now with and that that starts to give praise to Timber as well.

[00:38:20]is Moreno was there >> but he wasn't he wasn't in the Champions League squad >> so he was doing the local work but he was there and again >> for that's one player that I feel for >> for myself >> um and and and and you know um some people are criticizing including some people very high up uh the coach when he says for football to advance Kadoso um look at the way you run things cuz some players suffered because of the way things were run for Sundowns this year.

[00:38:51]Um, and there's two players and he mentioned them. He's like, "Two players might going to miss the World Cup because of Sundown's schedule. One of them, the other is Batus Abas. Abas Albas was in all the qualifiers, bro. FCON um World Cup, >> was part of the squad playing >> um and so when you look at uh ina where it's based on >> that's what the coach is the coach the coaching that's what that's what is implying yes so um >> not that we agree but we are not there >> look he knows better than I do so I'll take his word for it um he doesn't have to say don't ask him >> can can I tell you why I said this is why I don't agree with him >> if was to get an injury you were to say the amount of game time that he's played it warrants that M >> Obas did not play as many games as we thought he would. Yes, he played a lot of key important games.

[00:39:58]>> You understand it.

[00:39:59]>> Okay, fair point. But still um the point I'm trying to make here is squad.

[00:40:07]>> Yes, >> I mean cheapest bro. Um you just won the Champions League. You see, the guys want you in the squad, the World Cup squad, the reaction to to um his name being called up. They want you there, your teammates. Um that means you're a positive influence.

[00:40:26]>> Your presence means something.

[00:40:29]>> And these these people believe when you're there, >> we're better.

[00:40:33]>> The people you're playing with believe when you're there, we're better. You saw the reaction yesterday. Who else did anyone stand up for when the names are called?

[00:40:40]>> No, it was just claps.

[00:40:42]>> Thomas is something special, bro.

[00:40:49]Okay, everyone is saying do set this and I want to do two sets. We're telling do how many defenders?

[00:40:54]>> 11. We've taken I want to say this a whole team of >> No, no, no, no, no, no. All you guys, all you guys saying is okay. Sh. Nice one. Two. Uh, Germany is taking 11 is taking 10 defenders.

[00:41:04]>> Um, Brazil accounted, they're taking nine defenders. England accounted, they're taking nine defenders. I just didn't go through the rest of the team in the World Cup, but I thought Germany, England, Brazil is a nice example cuz those are teams, attack minded teams that are going to look there, look to play attacking football, yet they're taking one one less player than us defensively. Let's leave that alone.

[00:41:24]>> But we can also add Makoba to the defensive structures.

[00:41:26]>> Oh, I'm being serious here.

[00:41:29]>> But you came out.

[00:41:31]>> So, let's put that one to rest them too.

[00:41:34]12 defenders.

[00:41:36]Germany is taking 11 done. Those guys are going there to go score. They scored seven against Brazil in Brazil at a World Cup.

[00:41:41]>> They're going there to win, >> homie. They're going there to try and win this thing.

[00:41:45]>> No. What's my point, please?

[00:41:52]Experience.

[00:41:52]>> Big up uh pick up pick up I hear your point. Pick up >> firstly. Um I've I've had one man and I have to give him Mark Hkins for the last two years been telling me this kid this kid. kid. And for me, another big surprise was making the squad. Pleasant surprise >> when it was against Orlando Pirates goal.

[00:42:18]>> But on that day, >> Mhm.

[00:42:23]>> Um but one of the one of the biggest shocks for me outside of the way to >> Oh yes. I still defense though. We'll get to >> Okay.

[00:42:34]>> Yeah. So you're talking experience and that's a very good question he's asking now. Um only two and I mentioned him >> because it answers your question. Um slightly inexperienced cross inexperienced >> um inexperienced um somewhat inexperienced at this level.

[00:42:53]Let's be honest. Not inexperienced.

[00:42:56]Yes, but inexperienced. Dam is still way behind the years. inexperienced my bugazi >> inexperienced but quality but inexperienced so my biggest concern now with this team I'd love to get you guys on the same subject is central defensive pairing whether it's >> um busy that is it might we might have a very inexperienced central defensive pairing that's yeah so on your defensive side the inexperience is the character concerned experienced playing or not playing.

[00:43:41]>> For me, one of one of the things that I found myself asking myself is the fact if you look at form, who's carrying form into this World Cup?

[00:43:51]>> You look at Bogazi, >> what he's doing at Chicago, second to none.

[00:43:55]>> Maybe Hugo Bruce, man. Maybe Hugo Bruce can say I see you're doing well cuz he was very he was very vocal in saying he's going but he's doing well in the US.

[00:44:05]>> Yeah, >> you've got Dam that's just won a Champions League. Yes, he had a couple of mistakes but he's coming into this carrying good.

[00:44:11]>> I mean he was he's played those are the biggest games of his career. Those Champions League games >> from not no Champions League >> from no Champions League experience at all >> to finals. Come on.

[00:44:21]>> Right.

[00:44:23]Is it a sin to have two left footed?

[00:44:26]Yes.

[00:44:26]>> Central pairing >> when you don't have to.

[00:44:28]>> I'm asking is it >> I know we always like to but we've seen right ones play >> when you talk about I remember six world cup I was listening to the late for the first time I see a team defending with four left footers.

[00:44:47]So go and check the defender >> and they won the world cup that You wish some of them were ambidextrous because it would have been very helpful because if for me the form says instead of swapping them for each other they would be able to start.

[00:45:14]>> You need a bit more experience there.

[00:45:15]No, no, no. I get the experience, but form is something that you think >> and also I think I know still looks up to as a mentor and they had a good working relationship at Pirates. I mean when you ask him who do you look up to say I remember so so I think I I think too much and you agree with the defense.

[00:46:25]the first match especially that central >> just fellow picking I I won't be surprised to see >> and it can and it can lead to all the matches >> because of the way he hugged or them after after the Panama It was like after I've been looking for this >> while you're talking about hugs and every other thing. I saw a clip that was played yesterday >> and I heard go say we will fight for you coach. Is that what led to go being in the >> hugs?

[00:47:16]Because for me the goalkeeper situation is very interesting. And I'll tell you why I say it's very interesting.

[00:47:24]>> In the PSL, hands down, CO China has walked away with everything because he's got the most clean sheet.

[00:47:30]>> Mhm.

[00:47:31]>> In the same token, and I don't say this to take down what has done.

[00:47:35]>> Mhm.

[00:47:35]>> He has not had to make the most saves in the league.

[00:47:39]>> Very well protected.

[00:47:41]>> Because he's got a solid team in front of him.

[00:47:42]>> Very well protected.

[00:47:43]>> And I'm not saying this to demean what he has done.

[00:47:45]>> Yeah. But it's also to say when you look at Goss Goss every game he defends 10 shots, he defends 15 shots.

[00:47:54]>> So it is that to say is Brandon unfortunate in this situation. Okay.

[00:48:05]Yeah.

[00:48:10]certain Williams no doubt if I'm guessing but I'm sure about Adams um I think it's interesting Apollus uh Mori So you said >> oh >> I said Adams Adams and Dav.

[00:48:45]>> Yeah. Then further forward it's Apollos >> left to right. Left to right. Um >> Mhm.

[00:48:54]>> And um >> Ali >> no >> L.

[00:48:59]>> Okay.

[00:49:00]>> Off site. Off sight. Off sight are coming.

[00:49:03]>> Nice one. In the words of MDU, he's seen him fight the co he's seen as says he's seen fight the ref.

[00:49:16]>> The only one he hasn't fought. Just don't show him the VR.

[00:49:23]>> Look, I I think the back four the only one that we are not sure about is who partners.

[00:49:29]>> Yeah, I guessed. I'm guessing >> at this moment I think Okon is going to get the not >> because Yugos got this thing for overseas players >> and the height suits him.

[00:49:39]>> So I think I agree with you on that. And then the one that I think you going to go to the tried and test that.

[00:49:48]>> Yeah. Especially Yes.

[00:49:50]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:49:50]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:49:51]>> Over Adams.

[00:49:51]>> No, no, no, no.

[00:49:53]>> No, no, no. I hear you for the way that they >> Okay, I hear okay. I hear you. I hear you. If you go go back to first AFCON.

[00:50:00]>> No, I hear you.

[00:50:01]>> That that I hear you. Yeah, it was that was >> in the last AFCON he went back to the very same combination.

[00:50:08]>> Yeah. And had an issue between those two FOs. Not it's not quite the same. But if you were to go and say I'm looking for the harmony in the team and Adams have got an understanding from club level >> go there >> because for me for me at this moment the number one is that one that drags you by the shirt and everything else. I just hope Adidas have made must ask Puma for the formula for the strong shirt because hey you've got my question is who does he partner because >> for me it's the you can't is are we making peace with is an impact player because that's how Yugo has used him.

[00:50:52]Yeah, >> but they're so solid that that midfield four of Mcgu Adams and for me is dope.

[00:51:03]>> It's they pick themselves. They pick themselves. So, it's up to the coach who he plays really.

[00:51:08]>> Okay.

[00:51:09]>> Except for Devil's in it's about it's about who for me is the first name of the list. I I think I think from now onwards Hugo must not even train >> Williams the names are on the team sheet when you print the team sheet there you just fill out the rest >> no and then you put kiso there and yeah >> no ma is drops him a couple of times >> yes >> so I >> yes >> I know >> that's why that's why name foster cuz I believe Fost's name is on the >> because whenever whenever you bring Mudiba we must know that you are prepared to be able to take a lot because he gives you those so many options in terms of going forward but Madala has we've seen sometimes he likes to defend first >> so that's why Kabin will always be there ahead of M so that's going to be interesting to watch in terms of how how he plays that >> the I I think that the one thing we must we must be grateful >> all these teams that have had a good season FIFA will thank them financially and they will be well looked after >> because each player that represent the the national team, your team will get financial injections.

[00:52:28]>> The question is who gets the money for MO because MCO is on loan from Sands because he's on loan from S. the mother team >> sometimes I'm guessing >> success brings such because when you look at the way pirates have been successful these are the rewards of that >> it's rewarding the success that pirates have had that sundowns have had and saying >> you've brought the players and therefore you are being rewarded >> money goes to money >> money attract money is playing on Friday is it a chance for you to show as the fringe players or is he going to go with the tried and tested?

[00:53:10]>> Ah, >> it's not about showing us.

[00:53:12]>> We mustn't make this about us.

[00:53:13]>> No, no, no. Let me answer this and it's a fair question. It's a fair question.

[00:53:18]>> It's not about us.

[00:53:20]>> It's about getting ready.

[00:53:21]>> Yeah.

[00:53:21]>> It's a chance for you to get ready. And we don't know what he feels he needs to do to get ready.

[00:53:26]>> So, let's let's not try to dictate.

[00:53:28]Let's just wait and see.

[00:53:29]>> Okay.

[00:53:32]>> Very interesting.

[00:53:36]Do you think he's going to try some things or try and test it?

[00:53:52]Can he rest some players?

[00:53:53]>> Yeah, I believe especially players players need to rest.

[00:54:00]Need to rest. Need rest.

[00:54:02]>> Funny enough, I was saying this and I was talking to somebody and saying if you look at you look at you look at >> you look at Koulis or you look at Ronin if now just manage them until the last week >> rather than play them >> because I think I think you know >> I think >> it's a friendly. Yeah, I think it's something about about >> going there's nothing you don't know about. Look, there's a there's a difference between saying it's a friendly um in the middle of >> after this we have another one.

[00:54:32]>> Not that I know of.

[00:54:33]>> They might have one or two practice matches but it hasn't been arranged yet.

[00:54:36]But there's a difference between saying it's a friendly in the middle of a season and there's no World Cup.

[00:54:40]>> Mhm.

[00:54:41]>> Then we say it's a friendly. This is not a friendly. It's a preparation >> world cup preparation match. Yes, it's it's built as a friendly, but the intent is to prepare for a tournament in a few weeks time.

[00:54:52]>> Yeah.

[00:54:53]>> So, what what means what that means is we're not just going through the motions here.

[00:54:57]>> We are now trying to work on the formations, the change of tactics during the game and and and and also getting the squad to gel.

[00:55:04]>> It's not just playing and going through the motions. No, no, no, no. You are preparing for something that's happening now. It's not just a normal friend.

[00:55:11]>> But maybe you may want to see what it's like to start with and yay. M >> yes you may >> but it's up to him what he does.

[00:55:19]>> We will wait and see.

[00:55:20]>> We will.

[00:55:21]>> Ladies and gentlemen, we wish Bafana Bafana everything of the best. Whether you support Kaiser Chiefs, Orlando Pirates, Mommy Lo, pack it in your bag.

[00:55:32]Put it in the back pocket. We are South Africans.

[00:55:36]>> We support everybody.

[00:55:39]That's that that that's my plea to South Africans. Don't tell us. No, this one.

[00:55:44]When Mufuku King does well, he does this. When he doesn't do well, yeah, he supports pirates. When doesn't do well, yes, he plays for We are South Africans.

[00:56:03]Now it's time for support.

[00:56:10]So yeah, >> we wish you the best of luck to the celebrating champions.

[00:56:29]>> Congratulations.

[00:56:30]>> Congratulations and well done to the marketing team. If there was an award, >> a would walk away with it.

[00:56:36]>> Hallelujah. to vibes.

[00:56:40]>> Talking of vibes, you go to Melody, Melody Mia, Orlando Pirates, the MC.

[00:56:47]>> Vibes, >> the vibe at >> No, no, >> at the arena.

[00:56:51]>> At at the arena throughout the season.

[00:56:53]>> Oh, yes.

[00:56:54]>> Job well done.

[00:56:55]>> Hallelujah.

[00:56:55]>> Job well done.

[00:56:57]>> Job well done South African fans. What a season, man. All of you.

[00:56:59]>> Awesome season.

[00:57:01]Those who had to declared immigration season. Job well done. standards were very high through that shot.

[00:57:09]>> Thank you for watching discuss. Let us know what you think. Give us your your best 11. Give us who you think should have been in the Please don't say lo because you has made it clear. It's never happening.

[00:57:20]>> Makeups to breakups.

[00:57:22]>> Do still wants lo.

[00:57:23]>> Hallelujah.

[00:57:30]>> Are you recording there? We're still live. I think we're still live. Kevin's gonna come here and throw a spell in the works. Check this [ __ ] out.

[00:57:38]>> Just gonna stay like that.

[00:57:39]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:57:40]>> Yeah. Mute the mics.

[00:57:41]>> Are we muting the mics? No. Why we muting the mics?

[00:57:45]>> Oh, >> skip what you're saying now.

[00:57:49]>> Tell us nothing. I >> genuinely think Brandon Peterson should have been part of the squad.

[00:57:56]>> I don't I don't see it, bro. Um I'm glad I'm glad I was worried um about the instability with China getting off the squad before the Panama thing. I thought maybe Chenner might not make the squad or I feared maybe Chenner might not make the squad. Good thing he broke the records he did. Maybe that first issue if there was any doubt. But when you've gone three tournaments, two tournaments with the same three goalkeepers, >> there's a qualifiers. Yeah, there's there's there and all of them are quality.

[00:58:22]>> True.

[00:58:23]>> There's no reason to change it. And yes, Peter said, "Dude, we love what you've done this season, but there's no it's hard to change it now at the last gasp."

[00:58:30]Yes. And and maybe he played in the Panama game. M >> unfortunately he was injured and and and Hugo said he would have liked to have a look at him and build maybe a working relationship before the World Cup but then again you did select a cross >> out of nowhere so maybe you could have selected Peterson but who do you drop and how do you justify it when you got guys like >> was it Germany no it's not Germany >> somebody I had I had the host yesterday whether it was Adilu We were but they said there's a country that has left with four goalkeepers.

[00:59:06]>> I just haven't checked which which team it is. I can't say can't say >> but for me and why is not a surprise versus cross is because MO has worked with Hugo Bruce before >> before >> it was just a game time that he was not cross >> but you know you know you know what is one one of the funniest thing that one watches and as supporters we are very fickle right? Mhm.

[00:59:33]>> And we see certain things.

[00:59:35]>> Did you notice that there was a 20-year-old that played in the Champions League final?

[00:59:39]>> Yes, man. Come on, man. How could you not? But how could I not? How could we not be commentators? So, It's all about >> the things you finish all that water.

[01:00:12]>> Of course, you're going to have a problem. G m I'm hearing there's already Moan has left St. Yes, bro.

[01:00:25]>> Kaiser Chiefs. Kaiser Chiefs are saying >> I heard I heard >> welcome back. Welcome back. So there's quite a lot of development players that used to play for Chiefs that are now coming back >> cuz now back cuz I heard that they've offered him an extension >> now that defense of Kaiser is starting to look solid because if you take >> Mulani and who's that guy from Galaxy was number 25 at Chiefs. Uh >> I know he had a bad run when he joined Kaiser Chiefs and he didn't have but he was a quality player when he joined.

[01:01:06]>> He joined Chiefs when Chiefs wasn't playing well. He won't play well with the team and could make quite a killer combination.

[01:01:14]>> Yeah, bro. Yeah, killer combination. Um, >> do they sign my role for just for laughs? Do >> just uh just for comedy purposes?

[01:01:26]>> For comedy purposes.

[01:01:28]>> What up? What up, Kev?

[01:01:29]>> All right, Kev.

[01:01:30]>> Sorry to come join here.

[01:01:33]>> Sure. Sure. Sure. Join in.

[01:01:35]>> Have you heard about um Have you heard about this uh super fan?

[01:01:44]>> I saw it on net ball.

[01:01:47]You sort of where net tournament.

[01:01:52]>> What's supering? Just let me me.

[01:01:54]>> Hold on. I need to find the email.

[01:01:55]Sorry. How's it?

[01:01:56]>> Let's give you Let's give you a microphone.

[01:01:58]>> How's it everybody? Um, so there's 100 grand up for prizes. Literally 100,000 rand to be the buffana super fan for the World Cup.

[01:02:05]>> Oh, you seen this?

[01:02:06]>> Isn't that what the minister was announcing yesterday?

[01:02:08]>> No, no, no, no. Something else.

[01:02:10]>> Yeah.

[01:02:10]>> So, I I just want to find the right thing. Um, I don't want to make it up.

[01:02:14]So, you've got to I'm looking in the wrong place. Forgive me here, people.

[01:02:19]Um, they caught me off guard. I was doing something else. But if you want to try and be the super fan for the World Cup, >> Yeah.

[01:02:27]>> check this.

[01:02:29]>> I got to find it now.

[01:02:31]>> Um, oh my god, there's too much. I feel like Russ, >> there it is. Right.

[01:02:39]>> They're on the hunt for South Africa Super Fan. It's one of the the World Cup sponsors.

[01:02:43]>> Yeah. Which one do you think it is?

[01:02:44]>> It can only be a beer.

[01:02:48]There's only one. There's only one.

[01:02:50]There's only one. So, listen to this.

[01:02:52]So, to enter, >> you've got to uh do the following.

[01:02:58]You've got to uh follow a castle log essay and then you've got to show us why with a 30 secondond video uh you are South Africa's biggest super fan and then tag them. So, THIS IS YOUR CHANCE.

[01:03:16]EXCEPT FOR MARMANI uh Tampa and Cu Mena are going to enter now into the super fan competition. I want you to explain to the camera why you think you should be South Africa's super fan for the World Cup and win 100,000 rand.

[01:03:35]>> Let me step out.

[01:03:36]>> You know you're going you're going to get us into trouble with Mama Joy.

[01:03:41]Unless you know things about >> Is this castle by the way? Is this castle?

[01:03:46]>> Okay. Yes.

[01:03:50]>> I want to know which one of you is the biggest. I'm going to enter your video.

[01:04:09]Let's imagine you sitting down and you coach on the front line whoever you why you so when I get my and my what's your singing song what's your See, next we're going in order here.

[01:05:10]>> The host is last chief.

[01:05:11]>> You're going in order here.

[01:05:13]You're not hosting.

[01:05:14]>> All right. Look from the dusty streets of Tabong.

[01:05:20]Welcome in the free state, the mining city. Um, somebody who loves this country like there's no other. Uh, my relations go as far as cocktail on the edge of Quesadin, Eastern Cape, including Mumalang as well. So I represent different parts of this country. Um I bleed green and gold originally and on top of that I give you what we surely will be hearing plenty of during the World Cup when Mua does his thing.

[01:05:47]>> Click click bang.

[01:05:49]>> Hallelujah.

[01:05:52]>> From the dusty streets of park >> telling you once again number one fan.

[01:05:57]This is my fan. Click click crowd song.

[01:06:02]>> Social laws. already said it.

[01:06:04]>> Said it. That's the one. That's the one.

[01:06:08]See, people can't sing this thing. They always talk about these things.

[01:06:17]You must sing this thing. Come and sing with us with the castle in hand. You can't go wrong. The green and gold is finally back in the World Cup, back in the world stage to be able to fight with the big boys. Mexico owes us a thing or two since the last time we were playing nice. We were nice host. This time we go to their home and we're going to beat them in their home and show them we are bafana bafana. We are agile. We got movement. We've got we've got my 2,000 are represented by king one. Get a castle. Get a get going.

[01:06:53]Let's go watch. That's why I should be your winner.

[01:06:57]>> I think we got our winner. We got our winner.

[01:07:05]I will show again.