The Older Millennial CALLS OUT Tim Pool For Being WRONG About Animal Farm, Doubles Down

Added: 2026-05-09

[00:00:00]I just saw the older millennial like double down on his um take on the movie and putting it. Yeah. Yeah. We just got it in Slack actually. They name you. He names you.

[00:00:09]>> Well, I I called him a scumbag.

[00:00:11]>> Yeah, he names you directly. So, he did respond, but he's doubling down and still saying the movie wasn't bad.

[00:00:18]Like >> crony capitalism.

[00:00:21]Crony capitalism. Lay it on me, brother.

[00:00:24]I called him a scummy.

[00:00:25]>> Tim did a review and he said it's not anti-communist anymore. Now it's anti- capitalist. And look, I I got no beef with Tim P. Love the guy. Been on his show. Wonderful person, but he's wrong. This movie is not anti- capitalist. It does not invert Orwell's thinking. Now, I will say it is not a shot forshot remake of Orwell's novel because when Orwell wrote that, the danger was communism. And the solution, >> look at this. Wait, first you said it was anti-Marxist. Then people told you it was really pro- Marxism. Now you're saying capitalism is the real problem.

[00:00:56]>> Was capitalism. But let's be real, love the guy. Been on his show, wonderful person, but he's wrong. This movie is not anti- capitalist. It does not invert Orwell's thinking. Now, I will say it is not a shot forshot remake of Orwell's novel because when Orwell wrote that, the danger was communism.

[00:01:15]And the solution was capitalism. But let's be real about this, guys. We are not in danger of falling to communism.

[00:01:21]But what we're living in, we are living in a version of crony capitalism where we are run by corporations that legitimately this country.

[00:01:33]>> Well, cuz that's here with Zoron is cuz Zoron is so explicitly capitalist. It's it's like nauseating.

[00:01:39]>> He is. He's for the people.

[00:01:40]>> Zoron cutting all these business regulations. I mean, she >> creating government grocery stores.

[00:01:45]That's so capitalist for Ken Griffin.

[00:01:48]Unbelievable. Free pen houses for the rich. I mean, >> hasn't been a republic since 1913, since we handed control of this country and its currency and everything else over to big banks. And that's what this is addressing. And here's the thing. If you're opposed to communism, I am 100% on your side. But if you're in favor of the version of capitalism we're currently, yeah, I think you're either >> he's literally now attacking capitalism or system. And I think Andy Circus did a great job of addressing that. He did a great job. did fight against communism and they did.

[00:02:20]>> Bro, these people are all for sale, bro.

[00:02:22]Okay, older millennial, I'll give you $5,000. I'll give you $5,000 to post the opposite. How's that sound?

[00:02:27]>> Yeah, I'm not going to argue with you.

[00:02:31]I'm not going to argue with you. I'll just give you five grand to make a video where you're like, you know what, Tim Pool was right about everything. Deal?

[00:02:36]>> Yeah, >> let's go.

[00:02:37]>> But then they also address the fact that we're not living under the type of capitalism that Orwell imagined. We do not have the freedom that Orb was thinking we were going to have. All of you know this and I'm sorry in literally >> guys. I think we've covered the dangers OF COMMUNISM. I THINK ANYBODY CAN LOOK AT COMMUNISM and go >> that's what also isn't going to work the version of capitalism that we're currently saddled.

[00:03:07]>> He is TWISTING HIMSELF INTO KNOTS TO JUSTIFY this movie.

[00:03:12]>> The argument is this brother. We have very few traditional stories attacking communism. Everything we have attacks fascism and in the modern era capitalism. We don't need to take one of the few stories that criticizes communism and turn it into a story about capitalism. End of story. And yes, we are at risk of communists trying to take over. You can call them neocomunists or technocomunists, but that is literally what most of us have been fighting for the past 10 years. I hope the money was worth it, brother. But I'll tell you what, I got more and I can pay you more and more consistently to promote the opposite. So, let's go, bro. Literally, right now, I'm telling you, make a video and just go, you know what, man? Tim P was right about everything. I was wrong.

[00:03:53]I apologize. I'll write you a check for five grand.

[00:03:56]>> Considering you're for sale, five grand is probably a good amount.

[00:04:00]>> Oh, it's crazy. He's taken the rare third way where Circus Circus and Rogan are like, "This is explicitly anti- capitalist." And then Angel Studios is like, "It's actually anti-communist."

[00:04:08]And he comes out of nowhere with like the fresh It's actually anti- crony capitalism and the banks are the problem. It's like, well, thank you, DSA.

[00:04:16]>> To be fair, Angel Studios first tried that. It didn't work.

[00:04:20]>> Yeah.

[00:04:20]>> They said it's it's when when people said, "Why is it about capitalism?"

[00:04:25]Angel Studios went it, well, it's anti-cronyism. It's anti-totalitarian.

[00:04:30]It's literally not anti-totitarian. The government makes not a single appearance as a conflict in this film. Not even one time. If uh Angel Studios has a a legal responsibility to to increase profits for its shareholders and it it lies in its promotion and ends up ruining the profit of the movie because it does hurts it more than it helps it is it then in violation of like does it then violate its responsibility? Like can they be sued by their shareholders for for for lying about a product?

[00:05:00]>> Probably.

[00:05:00]>> So right if this ends up causing their stock to decline and the movie bombs they can be sued by their shareholders.

[00:05:07]So, it's like they're putting money into the promotion of it, but if you put lies into the promotion, you might get sued back below.

[00:05:12]>> If you're a shareholder, you'd have the argument to say their subscription base is explicitly anti-communist, conservative, right-wing, pro capitalist. By putting out this film, it caused a loss of revenue and the movie is already doing miserably. I mean, the critic score is really bad. We're not big fans of the critic score, but when even communists are attacking it, IGN, however, gave us gave it a seven out of 10. But independent uh uh creators uh YouTube reviews with millions of subscribers are saying it's just a bad movie in general. If this movie bombs and does poorly, then yeah, they're going to say you lied about the film.

[00:05:47]You your your your advertising campaign backfired. You cost us money. And you know that could be we'll see.

[00:05:55]>> Definitely got to find out after looking up the Rotten Tomatoes.

[00:05:58]>> I I am doing that right now. We've been doing a series on PCC when it's just Brett and I where we watch the worst movies ever made and then review them.

[00:06:05]This might have to actually be on the list now if it gets that bad of an audience score.

[00:06:09]>> Might have to add it.

[00:06:10]>> 24% on Rotten Tomatoes.

[00:06:12]>> Wow.

[00:06:12]>> You know, you know what I think? Like >> according to that >> homeboy got paid to promote a movie he didn't watch. Then he saw the backlash.

[00:06:20]Wall Street Mav deleted his tweet or their tweet. I don't know if it's a man or woman. I'm assuming it's a guy. Got backlash. Uh Riley Gaines probably just ignored it and didn't even think twice, just took the money. Uh I think same thing for Emily Saves America. This guy is getting a bunch of heat for it, so he decides to double down. I wonder if they paid him extra cuz this post has Animal Farm partner in it as well.

[00:06:42]>> Yeah, man.

[00:06:44]>> I want to say this, too, because I've had people say, "Tim, it's just some dumb movie. Why are you mad?" I don't I don't care about the movie. I care about the fact that there's almost nobody of honor anywhere in politics and I've been operating under the presumption there have been some and when you find out that many of them never had honor in the first place it makes you angry so that's you know largely it not that I think I put it this way tendencies on the right generalities on the left most liberals suck some of them are okay I like Roana he's all right but I disagree with him John Federman he says one thing and votes another way but you know I I I I he's not a crazy guy in the way that many of these lefties are. Then on the conservative side, you have a lot of crony, you know, deep state kind of shills and a little bit more, maybe 10 good Republicans, right? Well, when you find out a lot of these people who are claiming to be fighting the good fight were just shills the whole time and are effectively the modern version of gay for pay, then I >> I think a lot comes from oh man, I don't want to it's hard to it's hard to describe people's intellect, but low not genius level intelligence. Look, these people are not genius level intelligence. Unfortunat I'm not saying this about everybody, but they don't see the the third or fourth uh level of what's going on. They just see maybe two or three levels of it and then so they'll they don't know like probably a lot of these people didn't understand the value of Animal Farm the book. They don't >> Yeah, it can't be understated how complex like understanding socialism and communism actually is. Like I really had to read a lot of books just to figure out like what exactly is the goal for these people? Why do they do this? And it's all about power. But like if you don't look into the history and really understand like how every time it's tried, it fails. It's tough to grasp. I feel like you're right. A lot of people don't understand what's going on in Animal Farm and like why, you know, the book was written and >> Yeah. Well, it's not a children's book, right? Like it is complex. So making it into a children's movie is actually kind of crazy because these are not concepts that children can understand. There's a reason you don't learn about it till you're high school or older. The concepts are really hard to grasp.

[00:08:57]>> I I love how older millennial all of a sudden ch his his his opinion has changed. He said before that it was anti uh let me let me go back to his post that it was anti-Marxism and now oh here's his original here.

[00:09:11]Yeah. Okay.

[00:09:11]>> Another banger. Like I'm sure most of you read this masterpiece from Orwell back when you were in high school. And I got to say when I first heard Angel Studios was doing this, I was like, "Wow, even as a cartoon, this is going to be bleak because the book is bleak as Anyone who's read it is like that's some serious material."

[00:09:30]Thankfully, Angel Studios has made it a little more fun. This is not the 1954 adaptation. This >> they didn't make the movie their own words. They acquired distribution. is a familyfriendly actually enjoyable version of a very bleak to be enjoyable.

[00:09:46]>> If you have no idea what this is, I highly recommend you read the book. I mean, I recommend you watch the movie, too. But defin it's everybody should read this book. It's up there with 1984. Like, read the damn thing.

[00:09:58]But Angel Studios made a version that I think both adults and children can enjoy while also being educated because the meaning behind it is something that has become so unbelievably clouded in our society today. The dangers of Marxism corrupting power. Not a single single instance of Marxism in the whole movie.

[00:10:19]Not a single instance. Old major in the book who represents Leninist Marxism is not in the film. Bro, you never watched it and I doubt you even read Animal Farm.

[00:10:30]>> Yeah, he didn't read Animal Farm if he doesn't know what the characters represented. Like, I read it in high school.

[00:10:34]>> But then then he's then he's coming out and being like, watching all the right lose their minds because someone dared to also criticize BS crony capitalism. I thought you just said it was about the dangers of Marxism. Yep. Which is not in the film. And if you watched the film, you'd know that. Unless you didn't know what Marxism is. So, one of two options.

[00:10:50]You did watch the movie, but you don't know what Marxism is. Or you didn't watch the movie. And either you do or don't know what Marx don't know what Marxism is either way.

[00:10:57]>> Let me let me help everybody. Marxism is oppressed versus oppressor. Critical theory by Marx talks about how there is an elite class with money that oppresses the working class who have none. From this we got the modern version of critical race theory where these writers like uh was it Derek Derek Bell? Was that his name?

[00:11:16]>> Uh one of them.

[00:11:17]>> One of Yeah, one of them. And there's >> and uh Kimberly Krenshaw was the principal writer. Correct. The argument they made was that Marx missed the oppressed versus oppressors as it applies to diverse cultures or a country like the United States where there's white oppressors and the black oppressed. That created the modern version of woke weird garbage DEI that we see today. So, we're quite literally at risk of communists and Marxist and we call it gay race communism or gay race Marxism getting involved. There is not a single issue in the film where they say something like pigs are privileged or sheep are privileged. They not there's not one instance where they make if if if if in the movie the pig started saying things like well the reason we can't give the uh boxer money is because look how big he is. He has so much strength privilege it wouldn't be fair to give him food compared to the chickens who are just so small. So because of that we're going to separate you and we're going to give you only what we think you need. And then the pigs go buy things for themselves. Then I'd be like wow that was going after Marxism right there.

[00:12:18]>> Didn't happen. Not a single time. The pigs just spend the profit, get in credit card debt, and then sell the farm. That's it. Literally, he holds up a credit card. He goes, "I didn't have to give a magic paper. This card got me everything." Then the next scene, he's in the house and he's all angry and he's stomping. He's like, "Well, they never told me I needed a magic paper EVERY MONTH BECAUSE OF THIS CARD. HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO GET SOME?" And then he falls back and he's all angry. And then Freda Pilkington calls and he's like, "Let's cut a private equity deal."

[00:12:45]So, they're all they're all scammers and grifters and liars and it's all fake and no one actually has any real opinions.

[00:12:51]They just want money.

[00:12:52]>> I think the corporate that corporate ethos of uh maximize profits is is sick and twisted also. I don't think >> it has to be.

[00:13:00]>> Well, it has been for a while.

[00:13:01]>> No, but it has to exist that way.

[00:13:03]>> Yeah. Because because that's how the system works. You It's a company is like an asset and when you buy into it that it needs to reward its shareholders.

[00:13:13]It's an engine of capitalism and it's a good engine of capitalism so long as the company is above board and doesn't lie about the nature of its products in order to sell more of them and we have laws to prevent that. So yeah, I mean I do think the system has failures but that specifically is not one of them.

[00:13:32]>> But people generally lie to promote things.

[00:13:35]>> Imagine imagine profit. They're willing to >> Yes. And many of them are held accountable in court.

[00:13:39]>> Let me break it down for you. like fizer.

[00:13:41]>> The purpose of a publicly traded company in its core essence is I have a company that needs investment so that we can grow the company make new products generally sustain the health and it produces jobs. It's good for the economy. So I want to ask the public to buy shares they will hold. They can trade for value at any point and they get dividends and then I get the cash, the capital I need right now to say build a new facility. The government says hold on there a gosh darn minute.

[00:14:06]We want to make sure you're not lying to people and defrauding them with fake claims about your company. So, you got to go through some regulations. So, the company says, "We made a million bucks last year. If we can build a new facility for $300,000, we'll make 2 million next year." And the government says, "Prove it." They submit a regulatory filing. SEC goes through it and says, "This is legitimate." The company can then go to the public and say, "This is certified. It's good.

[00:14:29]We're not lying. This is what we think will happen. Every investment has risks and we may fail, but with your help, we can try and double our revenue. The reason why you're legally obligated to make profit is that someone could come in and say, "Sell everything and bankrupt the company and then we'll get rich." Then the shareholders say, "Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa. We gave you this money to build a building. Instead, you sold off your printers, the fax machines, the phones, enriched yourself with a bonus, and the company went bankrupt, and now we have nothing." So maybe it would be smarter to increase profit or there if the goal was to make a certain amount of profit minimum but not maximize profit because that means you're willing to torch. See the problem is if you don't maximize profit what do you do?

[00:15:11]>> No no no no stop.

[00:15:12]>> What was the question?

[00:15:13]>> Maximize maximize profit. No they are not required. Stop. They are not required to do what you are saying. You are changing the argument that no one brought up.

[00:15:21]>> Maximize profits not >> maximize profit does not mean sacrifice everything to make as much money as possible. It means be responsible with the company to make sure shareholders shareholders are not losing value. Which means you can say to your shareholders we are taking a a route that may result in a net loss of 3% but preserves the health of the company over the next 5 years and is the most appropriate thing to do. That's allowed.

[00:15:41]>> But if you say we could do this thing which would make you 5% more but we're not going to. Would that be illegal?

[00:15:46]>> No. And anyone can sue over anything.

[00:15:49]You can sue a ham sandwich. The point is you as a company can't take actions to intentionally cause harm to the company.

[00:15:56]That's it.

[00:15:58]Yeah. So the the difficulty here is you have conservatives who say that it should be maximizing profit versus those on the ESG side who say it should be pushing the left's agenda through, you know, in order to help society even if the company goes under.

[00:16:15]>> Right? So the the the environmental social governance stuff, DEI stuff is it doesn't matter how much money you make, you need 14% of your board to be black.

[00:16:26]If that bankrupts the company, it ceases to exist. We don't care. That's ESG.

[00:16:30]See, we don't want that. The company needs to exist. There has to be merit involved. Now, there there are challenges in motivation and uh moral worldview. So, what happens is these these these there there's a really funny post on Reddit and it said a a divine entity grants you the the ability to invoke three laws all humans must abide by. Which laws do you choose? And a lot of people chose like selfish things like everyone must give me whatever I want whenever I want blah blah. One person posted any company contributing to climate change must immediately stop.

[00:17:05]All people must work together to protect the environment blah blah blah. I'm like, you see, that's what I would call a No, I I don't want to be mean.

[00:17:12]I understand why somebody's concerned about about this, >> but this is a first order thinker who saw a clip or a meme on the internet where they were like, "Climate change is bad." And they were like, "Why don't we just make the company stop?" Like Greta Tunberg when she said, "I don't want to wait till 2030. We must stop all oil now." Which, because she's really dumb.

[00:17:31]If you did that, 60 million people die in 3 days. No refrigeration, no heating and no cooling means people in extreme climates as well as diabetics gone overnight.

[00:17:39]>> Especially in the third world where their rates of poverty are decreasing.

[00:17:43]Right.

[00:17:44]>> The est the estimate. I mean, look at the people who live in the Sahara who require technology to sustain the population growth that they're at. And Greta Tunberg either doesn't know or doesn't care considering she has called for an end to the oil embargo on Cuba.

[00:17:55]I'm just I just think she doesn't care.

[00:17:57]So these people genuinely have no idea.

[00:18:00]If we shut down every company contributing to climate change, they'd be like, wait, where's my insulin coming from? It's like, well, you shut the company, but hold on, my milk is gone.

[00:18:10]Yes, people are starving to death now.

[00:18:11]You don't understand. Like, these people seem to think that billionaires are like sitting in a room running gas generators and and and and inhaling the the gas going, WE LOVE MAKING CLIMATE change happen. That that is the idiocy of the first order activist, the first layered thinker activist who doesn't really understand the nature of of these the of of machines of corporations. The point is this. Everybody looks at a corporation and says you're doing something wrong. The people running the corporations don't think they're doing anything wrong. The people selling cigarettes aren't going like we're so evil. They're saying people should have cigarettes if they want to have cigarettes and you should be able to stop them. Everything's bad for you.

[00:18:48]Eating too much chocolate cake is bad for you. We're going to regulate that.

[00:18:50]Now, some people justify knowing that they do things bad. Like, what's the real justification for cigarettes?

[00:18:56]People enjoy it. Yeah. Well, people enjoy things that kill them. So, maybe you're doing something wrong and they lie about it. That movie, Thank You for Smoking was pretty great, by the way.

[00:19:03]>> Yeah. Hilarious.

[00:19:04]>> But this is this is what we deal with all the time in in enterprise. Everyone assuming that everyone else is doing something wrong because their morals are different.

[00:19:11]>> Well, this is like their their ethical business strategy is you got to maximize profit. So, if you need to lie about your movie to get people to buy tickets, lie about your movie. That's like there's something wrong. I'm not saying that we should just say no more.

[00:19:24]>> You're right. They're opening themselves up to liability for this.

[00:19:26]>> Like and but they're also they feel morally they're like look we have a duty. It's like bro >> legally technically >> we're we're trying to figure out where the mind of Angel is at right now because there's this mismatch. So that's why Tim is suggesting that maybe the reason they're doubling down on this rhetoric is because they want to make they still want to make a profit and they're taking the gamble. He thinks it's a wrong gamble. He thinks that by lying about the company by saying that it's anti-communist when it's really anti- capitalist that that's actually hurting them more in the long run. But he's just theorizing what their what their thinking is about why they're still lying about it. He doesn't know and we don't know what their internal strategy actually is.

[00:20:11]>> Could they come out now and say like we made a mistake, it's actually not about this. Wouldn't that be against their board? I mean, because that would pretty much >> That's that's that's what Tim's suggesting. I think I mean, maybe I'm far too optimistic here, but I think they could legitimately come out and say, "Look, we made a mistake." And if they had the cojones to take the heat, I mean, they're going to take heat one way or the other, right? So, either they agree with Tim's analysis of the movie, which sounds sounds right to me, and they're lying, or they disagree, or they don't understand, and they are just saying they're just continuing as is, or they haven't even seen it, and they're just continuing as is because that's the only path available to them.

[00:20:58]>> They offered me five figures to say the movie was good, my opinion was wrong.

[00:21:02]They gave me a screener to watch it. I watched it and I said, "Wow, I was right the whole time. I reject this. I refuse it. These other people that are that are doing these reads, like, come on, bro.

[00:21:10]Older millennial didn't watch the movie and he didn't read the book either. I I I doubt he could tell you anything about it. Thanks for checking out this clip from Timcast IRL. Make sure to watch the show live Monday through Friday at 8:00 p.m. Subscribe to this channel and we will see you all there.