Missionaries Lose Debate and Run From Daniel 9 | Yaakov

Added: 2026-05-12

[00:00:00]The what?

[00:00:01]The what? [laughter] The what? Karas doesn't mean to unalive.

[00:00:05]It can be used in the sense of someone being unalived.

[00:00:07]>> Yeah. However, fundamental >> Yeah, that's not my argument. Let me finish, please. At its primary root, it just means to cut off or to remove. This is what Benji is saying as you find, for example, regarding regarding the idols.

[00:00:20]In the book of Psalms, his hands His hands were Karas. His hands were His hands His hands were His hands were Karas. His hands were cut off. His hands weren't unalived.

[00:00:30]>> [clears throat] >> They were simply cut off. What my friend Benji What the Jew is saying What my friend Benji What the Jew is saying is quite simply that the Messiah or a Messiah will be cut off. This is This is what my friend is saying.

[00:00:42]Perfect. Yeah, so that that's not my argument.

[00:00:45]This is what Benji was saying. I'm not addressing your argument. I'm addressing your I'm addressing what what my friend said.

[00:00:51]Benji's not addressing anything because I didn't talk about cutting off.

[00:00:55]Again, you said You said Your friend said that cutting off means unaliving.

[00:00:59]I'm ex- pending that it doesn't. Yeah, it can Can it Does it Does it have that meaning? Can it have that connotation?

[00:01:04]>> I I also said it's open to multiple meanings depending on the context.

[00:01:08]>> So, it can then, right? Nobody denied that it couldn't besides your friend who denied my interpretation.

[00:01:14]>> now address my argument. Okay, now make the argument, please. Address my argument because I'm not talking about being cut off. I'm just saying it's Messianic. Just to be clear.

[00:01:22]Daniel 9 20 20 23 to 27 is a Messianic prophecy, correct?

[00:01:28]Um what do you mean by Messianic?

[00:01:31]It's It's about the Messiah. It's about a Messiah, not the king Messiah.

[00:01:35]Okay.

[00:01:37]It's a It's about a Messiah, not the Messiah?

[00:01:40]>> Yes. As you find, for example, in Psalms, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are all called Messiahs.

[00:01:46]Okay. So, >> May the Lord God you? What the freak?

[00:01:49]Yeah. Yeah. So, it's not about It's not about the Messiah. So, then what temple does this Messianic figure come to?

[00:01:55]Um he comes >> as destroyed.

[00:01:58]Yeah, so again, like there's two messiahs in this context is the one that gives the word this is okay where do you can I finish can I speak more than three seconds without being cut off thank you the first one thank you the first one is King Cyrus the second one which is cut off can either pertain to if you want to go by the secular the secular dating can can pertain to the high priest Caiaphas if you want to go by the Jewish the Jewish chronological dating Jewish history as established in the state of Israel right we can we can pertain and this the the anointed one cuts off to either Agrippa or to the high priest as well Oh so you oh wait wait you mentioned Agrippa right Yes >> Yeah So exactly you're quoting Rashi correct Yes Perfect in Rashi's interpretation does he say that the Messiah would be brutally cut off So the word Rashi uses is from the word Harag he which is going to the root of this means to be unalived by unnatural death as we find for example there's examples in the Bible where a famine occurred and the people were Harag they they they were unalived unnaturally now we know according to the New Testament and according to Josephus that Agrippa let me finish was unalived by worms eating into his stomach this is a unnatural death right as we find that the same word used by Rashi to describe Agrippa's death is used by those who who unalived of starvation The same thing is to be unalived by another so yes Agrippa was unalived by another by worms in his stomach Well I I disagree with what you're saying because when we go to Chabad right what you say Jewish source okay Do you know the do you know the word used there in Chabad Either Hebrew word or the English word The Hebrew word or the English word English word I'm not like concerned with what the English says I'm a Jew I speak Hebrew It says it says that it says will be slain.

[00:03:59]Okay, but Again, this is this is the individual who translated Rashi had this presupposition but this isn't what Rashi says. Rashi says the individual let me finish. Rashi says the individual be Harag. Harag simply means just to be unalived in an unnatural sense in an unnatural way. Okay, so you do admit that it is unalived. All right, now follow the argument because you weren't even tracking with my argument, dude. So, Rashi says this is about King Messiah, right? You see that right there on the screen?

[00:04:27]Uh he doesn't he doesn't say this is the King Messiah. Dude, this is literally his words right here.

[00:04:33]In verse 24, he's talking about King Messiah.

[00:04:37]That's the Messiah, right? He is not saying the one to be cut off is the King Messiah or the one for example, right?

[00:04:43]Which is going to give what >> So then who's the one that's cut off in verse 26? Can I finish?

[00:04:48]Again, according to Rashi, the one which is cut off pertains to King Agrippa.

[00:04:52]This is what Rashi says. But he says right here it's it's so then then Agrippa is the is the is the Messiah?

[00:04:57]>> me finish. Can you let me Can you let me finish?

[00:04:59]>> I'm not going to let you waffle, bro.

[00:05:01]Okay. Okay, well if you can't let me If you can't let me respond, then we can't have a conversation. Have a good day.

[00:05:05]Answer then I'll let you expand. Is Agrippa