There is hope

Added: 2026-06-02

[00:00:00]I want to watch this Asmin Gold fan thing that Stephen Asark did where he interviewed like Asmin Gold's fans to develop a better understanding of what their appeal is, like where it's coming from.

[00:00:10]>> I've been a digital culture reporter for the past decade, studying every facet of Twitch, YouTube, and influencer culture.

[00:00:16]And I've watched Asthmold go from a fairly small World of Warcraft guide creator into the largest political creator on a lot of platforms. If I had my way, I would disenfranchise 85% of the population instantly. I would take away their right to vote.

[00:00:33]>> And I wanted to know why. When I watch Asthma Gold, I just get uncomfortable.

[00:00:38]>> Think about how close Kamala Harris came to winning the presidency and then tell me that democracy is a good idea.

[00:00:45]>> Things he says are so explicit and over the top that they really don't make sense to me.

[00:00:49]>> Isophobia is real. Actually, it's not.

[00:00:51]It's not real. Always freak out. always melt down, always overreact, and never leave your opponent any breathing room ever.

[00:01:02]>> So, I spent the past 6 months investigating asthma, figuring out why people like him. So, I went directly to his viewers, a lot of whom I spoke to on X. And >> Stephen literally like he he is a reporter. He's a real reporter. He does like culture and tech reporting for Rolling Stone and whatnot. So, like, you know, this is that's the reason why I was going to watch it.

[00:01:21]>> You even agreed to Discord calls with me. What I learned is that the average Asthma Gold viewer is a complex individual who doesn't understand why the world is the way it is, but blames DEI and women for the problems that they experience. They are full of distrust and hate. But I think there's still hope here because even in Asthma Gold's letter, >> he should have just ended it there. The average Asmin Gold doesn't understand what is going on.

[00:01:47]>> It's true.

[00:01:48]>> There are some pieces that I agree with.

[00:01:52]five or $10 million should be the amount of money that you should be looking at people that have more than that and being like, why aren't you paying more and why aren't you giving out more of your money?

[00:02:01]>> So, thanks for coming. Uh, and welcome to my channel. This is Stephen Ach Talks.

[00:02:06]>> It's a good take. I'm glad that Stephen put that in there because that is a part of the complexity argument because he does actually have uh populist sentiment on both sides at times. Uh, billionaire says the bottom half of US workers and and by the way, I do think that we have to give some credit to the socialists, to the communists. We do, and I hate to say this because they're so annoying, but I think that their rhetoric and their language has put pressures on guys like Jeff to use this language and to talk about this and to normalize things like this that will, I think, be better for most people.

[00:02:45]>> I do. But for every like good take that he has like that, right, that's very appealing to everyone, you know, that has mass appeal, I would say 80% of his commentary revolves around the other dumb and hatred. And also, it ultimately doesn't make any sense because he still eats Elon Musk's penis all the time.

[00:03:07]>> You have somebody I saw his tweet 4,000 followers journalist crashing out because Asmin goal fans don't want to talk. What's this? Let me let me pull it up. About a month or so back, I asked any Asminol fans to meet me in the real world.

[00:03:17]>> What? What?

[00:03:18]>> They have like a a perception of him like he's like some sheltered hermit like Jedi wizard that knows everything in the world despite him not actually interacting with it.

[00:03:29]>> I genuinely believe there are people here for his gaming takes, and I'm so worried that they're getting radicalized by Twitch's most powerful. It's the Roosevelt quote. The reactionary is always willing to take a progressive attitude on any issue that is dead. The moment there's a chance it'll pass, he'll flip. Beautiful.

[00:03:43]>> And least research streamer. Let's go ahead and research. Let's look this person up and see what they've said about me.

[00:03:48]>> Yeah, it would be poor research because he's not doing any research at all. He's literally just picking up a video and watching it.

[00:03:54]>> So, there's not even a single actual criticism that this person has for me.

[00:03:58]When I hear Asthma Gold saying, you know, provocative, intense things like, I don't know, certain groups of people need to be put in a mental institution or um if he doesn't express that much empathy for uh people dying, you know, things like that. Uh I'm not listening because I necessarily share that exact belief system uh as he does.

[00:04:22]>> I don't have to go for trust as and I don't write hit pieces. I try to write my stories from a place of understanding.

[00:04:27]The understanding is basically saying that I'm an edge lord and I don't know what I'm talking about. Okay.

[00:04:32]>> Okay. But that's true. So he did do his research. You're just mad. Like that's literally just true. This is not even an ideological disagreement that I have.

[00:04:43]And I think he's being fairly favorable here in this in this video as well where he, you know, says that you're a complex individual. But you have openly admitted this. You literally say you don't do research. You don't have to do research.

[00:04:56]You don't have to read. All you need is game theory or or a deep understanding of how human beings operate by self-interest.

[00:05:04]>> Sure. Yeah. Obviously, nobody's going to engage with that. Definitely.

[00:05:08]>> So, who is Zach Hoy, known as Asthmold?

[00:05:11]Born in Austin, Texas in 1990, Asthmaold grew up in relative poverty with two parents who really struggled to get by.

[00:05:19]>> Things could have been worse for me, but yeah, we were very poor. Like, she made under poverty like every year basically.

[00:05:24]I grew up in a house where my mom never really had a job and uh we grew up in poverty and my dad helped me out a bit and he made sure that the lights stayed on but that was about it.

[00:05:36]>> He was obsessed with video games from a young age. In a rare interview from 2016, he tells a story of how he was running around with his friends pretending to be Halo Spartans and that's where the name came from and it just stuck. Asma Gold never really wanted to do anything in life. He never really had any aspirations for anything grander than what he had. He des >> I think the biggest indictment here is that he looks positively British in more ways than one. He's literally just British. Maybe that's why the reform UK lads like this guy. They see a proper lad, a [ __ ] angloid down to the [ __ ] teeth. You're definitely banned from the UK now.

[00:06:15]>> Bribes his existence is just something that he did in order to get by. Video games were his main focus and he wanted to do anything so that he didn't have to get a real job.

[00:06:24]>> That was one of the reasons why I didn't have a job is I didn't want one. Like all I really wanted to do was collect government welfare and jerk off and play video games.

[00:06:33]>> And as a dork/ nerd/gamer myself, it's something I entirely understand. I got started in journalism writing guides for League of Legends because I didn't want to have to actually work. So I entirely relate to Asthma Gold on that point.

[00:06:47]Asmthold had a few jobs. He worked for the IRS and a few other smaller places.

[00:06:52]But his real love was World of Warcraft.

[00:06:54]It was a game that he dedicated his whole life to. He became one of the best warriors in the entire game and decided it would be a good idea to post YouTube guides on how to be the best warrior and stuff like that. His channel >> Yeah, he did. He worked for the IRS.

[00:07:08]Yes, it's true.

[00:07:09]>> Gained some success, but not too much.

[00:07:12]He was still very niche for a while.

[00:07:14]>> I was making WoW YouTube videos and then they said, "You should stream." And then I started streaming. That's exactly it.

[00:07:20]It worked really well. It did. I like I mean my stream popped off immediately.

[00:07:24]Like I immediately started doing well.

[00:07:25]And so like I was like totally locked in on this and that's all I would do.

[00:07:29]>> But after enough time on YouTube, he was able to make enough to survive >> is that the reason why I dropped out is that I was making $1,500 a month. And I I was like, "Okay, well, I can make a living on $1,500 a month. Why would I need more than $1,500 a month?

[00:07:46]>> It wasn't until 2019 when World of Warcraft Classic came out, which took the game back to its roots of just endless grinding where you don't need to accomplish anything in your life. You just need to play World of Warcraft all day. That Asthma Gold really soared in viewership. He became the main World of Warcraft streamer and his audience ballooned in popularity.

[00:08:07]>> You have a vermin problem. Hi. A lot of people found him during this time, including >> Alan Hawkwood, >> a 43-year-old Australian who loved World of Warcraft.

[00:08:16]>> I don't necessarily watch all his videos. I kind of dip in and out. Look, I think in a in a lot of the I probably didn't watch him for the first few years. It's probably only really after he became big.

[00:08:27]>> Allan, we spoke for about 40 minutes and seemed like a very lonely man. He has people he knows from work, but all of his friends are people he knows online.

[00:08:35]I have very small friend group of true friends, friends that I've been with for 20 plus years, but that is essentially the only friends I really have. Alan says he lives like Asthma Gold. A fairly gross individual. I think, you know, he made jokes at the time about having a dead rat that would um smell when the sun came up so he knew it was time to wake up.

[00:09:01]>> The thing is, I used to use a dead rat as an alarm clock. actually uh for my stream because basically what happened was whenever the sun would come up it would start cooking the corpse of the rat >> and he had bits of blood smeared on his wall from his poor hygiene and his room was relatively disgusting.

[00:09:20]>> I'm going to be completely honest with you. I essentially live the same way.

[00:09:25]Oh >> god, this is okay. This is a little bit like confirmation bias for me, but I mean this is literally what I have suspected all along, which is that Asmin go remember I had this conversation with Felix when we were talking about the evolution of reactionary thought and the evolution of reactionary content. Uh at some point it went from like contentious politics, Ben Shapiro doing debates, intellectualism to aspirational politics with uh the likes of Andrew Tate, which was no longer about, you know, trying to engage in any sort of like pseudointellectual representation of your ideas. And the final evolution is representational politics. A lot of people like Asmin Gold regardless of the fact that Asmin Gold is a multi-millionaire, numerous business owner, right? He owns multiple businesses and makes tens of millions of dollars a year. For a lot of people, they look to Asmin Gold as a hero because they're like, "Oh my god, he made it while also being uh a schlub.

[00:10:29]Like also being kind of disgusting. Like he lives like a depressed agorophobic."

[00:10:34]And a lot of people in his fan base are depressed agorophobics who look to Asmin Gold as like this this beacon, this hero, this representation.

[00:10:44]>> I can see what five cans empty cans right now. Two coffee bottles. There's clothes on the floor. You know what's I'm a messy person. So I don't see he's I don't judge him for his hygiene.

[00:10:57]>> I don't take pride living in in in garbage or not. It it's simply something that I don't care about. He lives in squalor and hates immigration, which he says doesn't make him a bad person. It's because he's Australian.

[00:11:10]>> What's that place with the kangaroos?

[00:11:13]They that they they couldn't get rid of him. What was what's it called?

[00:11:18]Arizona, not Arizona. It's something like that. Australia. Things like the great replacement theory slashrelacing the population obviously appeals a little bit more to me because I believe it is a possibility for us unfortunately.

[00:11:35]>> But he's also pro- fascism.

[00:11:37]>> I think once again as you said the pro fascism but once again in Australia in certain regards I still believe 100% we need fascism.

[00:11:55]Now, how did we arrive at this world view from being an Asmin Gold watcher? That's crazy. Boen. Boen. [ __ ] bogan boy.

[00:12:06][ __ ] boen boy.

[00:12:09]>> And Asthmaold was just there for him. He watched him multiple hours a day while he was working. Asmthold was just part of his life. I am very different to a lot of normal people. His political takes in a sense I probably agreed with say 90% of them. In a sense he became a news source >> in a world where streamers were standing in like fancy houses and being superstars. There was Asthmold sitting in his filth talking about how he just wants to play World of Warcraft all day and hang out. The money and the fame never got to him. He's still the same disgusting gremlin that he was when he was still making just a few guides for a few thousand dollars.

[00:12:47]>> See, but he doesn't have to wear the uh the the I'm holier than the Alvin.

[00:12:52]>> It's aesthetics. See, I I clocked this.

[00:12:55]Remember I told you his fan base associates his nastiness with relatability and also uh decency. like their their brains are so rewired and and so busted in many respects that they think people fall for this grift and call him an everyday man. Yeah. Be Asmin Gold, eat beef jerky for two square meals, eat fast food for dinner, top it off with ice cream, fall asleep in your chair, watching anime. That's why he's popular. He's the modern every man.

[00:13:24]Yeah, they associate his horrifying hygiene habits with authenticity. When in fact, maybe it is authentically himself. Maybe he's just a nasty little pervert, right? Whatever. Okay, who knows? To each their own. But he is unbelievably out of touch. And if you see yourself in this authentically degenerate person, then you probably are unbelievably out of touch as well. This is the problem. But they think, "Oh, he's just like me. He lives just like me. He doesn't care to to generate more value. He He's not greedy. He's a He's a regular guy. He's just like me. It's like, [ __ ] you're not a regular guy.

[00:14:06]How do you not understand this? You're not a regular guy. If you live like Asminold, you're not regular. Okay?

[00:14:13]You're irregular. It's not a normal way to live. You need to snap out of it.

[00:14:18]Like, this is depending on the level of depression and anxiety you're probably experiencing on a daily basis, you might need medical intervention. You know what I mean? It's not normal.

[00:14:33]But on the internet it is because who spends the most amount of time on the internet? Who is more likely to create an account that says Christian father, husband, and [ __ ] poster in that order?

[00:14:45]Daka daka, like a white nationalist anime account, a guy who is like Asminold, an irregular person because regular people are not doing this. And that's precisely the reason why the internet is inundated with irregular folks. And what is irregular in the real world becomes very regular on the internet. And that actually has a damaging cycle that it creates as well where because everyone is increasingly more online. This might actually end up reproducing more people like this and maybe at a certain point turn this irregularity into a regularity. Does that make sense?

[00:15:27]>> Because of obviously he lives in Squala doesn't turn around and say you know I'm better than you.

[00:15:32]>> After his 2019 explosion, Asthma Gold started to diversify into different spaces. He co-founded OTK with a few of his friends and Mythic Talent, a talent agency he started.

[00:15:42]>> Wait, um, that sort of executive dysfunction is not the sort of thing you snap out of. If we had Universal Services, we would have help. We would have had help and been totally different person. No, I know. But I'm saying that these guys don't even see anything uh at odds with that. They think this is a healthy and normal way to live. And Asmin Gold does have the capacity.

[00:16:01]You're talking about a guy who makes like $10 million a year. Again, owns five businesses. Like, he's not like his fan base. His fan base might not recognize that there's an issue there.

[00:16:14]Asminold has all of the capacity to fix everything and he just chooses not to.

[00:16:20]>> A podcast and really started to expand outside of just his niche and really exploded in 2022.

[00:16:26]>> I lived like that for 5 years, undiagnosed and untreated neurody divergence and task paralysis. It was years of you saying exercising could build my confidence back up. That's right. That's why I try to to, you know, be a better example for the people that are watching. He literally does say he's better than you if you're brown. Also, Asmin did have state help. He was on Snap. He's just insane. He's received state help and talked about how his family needed it to survive. Yeah, I know. And now he just, you know, makes money, tens of millions of dollars every year, denying it to others. during the Amber Heard trial when all of these commentary streamers were reacting every single day to what was going on with Amber Herd because they desperately needed content and they didn't want to have to think for themselves.

[00:17:04]>> Here we go. Let's do it.

[00:17:07]>> Oh my god. I caught the most strays out of this even though I had the most balanced take where I was just like I don't like either party involved here and everybody still yells at me >> and Wonderland.

[00:17:19]>> Stop both siding this. There is, dude, if you can't both sides this, I don't know what to tell you. You're such a radical centrist on this. And everybody still yells at me when virtually every content creator in the entire internet was primarily on Johnny Depp's side. And once again, the one motherucker that was like, I don't like either of these people. I think they're both weird.

[00:17:39]Every person was like, you're the reason. And they will now they'll latch on to it and they'll yell at me uh even further. It's crazy. See, people still do it. No, you were wrong on that one.

[00:17:50]Sorry. Okay. Amber Herd is the is the victim here. Yes. I Johnny Depp is is bad. I I don't even like Johnny Depp. I I hate Johnny Depp. I don't care. I have no dog in this fight.

[00:17:59]>> Zenbane found Asthma Gold through these Amber Herd clips.

[00:18:03]>> I wasn't even watching the trial. I thought the whole concept was stupid myself when I had heard that it was, you know, people were watching it. Uh but I just happened to click on it. I think it was cuz the thumbnail or something just kind of caught my attention. You know, the uh it was good. Um clickbait, I suppose. I don't know. He he his reactions were funny. Uh watching Johnny Depp, the way they clipped him was funny.

[00:18:22]>> Zenbain said his great great great grandmother was a school teacher in Mexico and she came here properly. So she's a good immigrant. But all these bad immigrants, they're the problem.

[00:18:33]They're the ones causing our world to get worse.

[00:18:36]>> She didn't come here uh jobless um and try to live here, you know, illegally.

[00:18:42]There is no illegal immigration in in my family. Uh, and this is might even be controversial to say, but um, any disparity we're going to feel throughout life that it's going to come more so from our own people than from someone outside of our culture. So, but essentially, if if we define the what happens when we say that was racist, right? Someone says a bad slur, someone beats you up or or just someone prevents you from advancing in life at a job, like any of those things you're going to experience. uh we're gonna as Hispanics, we're going to most likely experience those more from other Hispanics than from someone who's black or white.

[00:19:20]>> He described Asthma Gold as a street preacher.

[00:19:23]>> You know, I'm going to use Asana as example who he's more like trying to come across like the Pope. Everyone should listen to me. Uh whereas um Asma Gold is the wacky homeless guy on the side of the road, you know, holding the mic holding the Bible and and and just screaming his interpretation of the Bible. I think after >> I like this guy going, you know who I like even in his worldview. I know he's trying to use that as a negative like he's saying I'm the negative force here.

[00:19:52]But yeah, I think the pope would be more knowledgeable on Catholicism than the random street preacher who's by your own words, in your own estimation, the crazy one. But that's that's wild. Like he just dropped that as like Hassan is annoying cuz he is the pope in this equation. A position of authority he has and I hate that [ __ ] I choose voluntarily to listen to the guy who is not knowledgeable and genuinely insane.

[00:20:23]He said between the pope and the hobo, I'm getting my Christianity from the hobo. Look, maybe I'm weird and I recognize that, but I believe that we have a finite amount of time on God's green earth. So, if I'm putting information into my brain, there are moments where I'm looking for entertainment certainly, right? I watch anime, I watch movies, I listen to comedy podcasts every now and then, but if I'm listening to something to to develop a better understanding of it, I'm definitely not going to a guy that I'm going to self-describe as a crazy person, I don't see any utility in that at all. I don't I don't have time to just sit there and listen to what Asminold has to say because I know he doesn't know anything and I genuinely can't comprehend why people do that.

[00:21:10]Like I'll watch value attainment, right?

[00:21:12]I watch bad [ __ ] but oftentimes I watch it to to derive some satisfaction out of it, just to like make fun of it or to make content for you guys to consume or to sometimes directly uh tackle the ideas that they're representing to develop a deeper understanding of what the oppositional figures are saying and thinking. There's a there's a utility for it, right? But in my own spare time, I'm never going to sit around and listen to like Asmin Gold cuz I know he doesn't know what the he's talking about. So, I cannot comprehend why other people do this. Then why the [ __ ] are you watching a video about him right now? Lauo, this bozo. See, this is what I mean. This is the mindset of the average Asmin Gold fan. I just described why I'm watching oppositional figures. Like, in the process of me describing to you why I would be watching a video like this one, which is not Asmin Gold, mind you. I'm watching a actual tech reporter who's a fairly smart guy do a deep dive and analysis into why Asold's fandom is uh is is invested in Asminold.

[00:22:12]>> In 2024, he was banned from Twitch for a brief period for describing Palestinians as terrible people. These people are not your allies. They are not the same as us. They come from an inferior culture that is horrible. It kills people for their identity and it is directly antithetical to everything Western values stand for and it is an inferior culture in all ways.

[00:22:36]>> From there he did apologize somewhat saying >> I I said something about it that was disgusting. I think that I've been slowly devolving into the most mean spirit. I like that he had like a second and a half of introspection and then quintupled down in ways that one could have previously never foreseen. Like he literally had one week of being like, "Yeah, I think I think this politics stuff is just making me really like a bad person." And then he was like, "Actually, I really enjoy the amount of uh the amount of love and admiration I receive from people who live in identical conditions to me all around the world."

[00:23:20]>> His lines on what is fair and what isn't are really confusing. Weirdly enough, he does believe that a universal basic income is a good thing and that you should help the poor. I think it's okay if they want to buy cookies with food stamps because in my opinion, it's just cookies, man. Let a person have a little bit of dignity.

[00:23:42]>> He doesn't like immigrants. He doesn't like people. He doesn't care for anyone that is outside of his own bubble.

[00:23:47]>> The West has a huge problem that we have an infection and we refuse to admit that there's a problem. There is clearly a problem. There is clearly an affliction and there is also clearly a solution, but they don't want to talk about that because it might make them feel bad.

[00:24:06]That has to stop.

[00:24:06]>> And when you're watching someone 8 hours a day, that sort of diet tribe really infects who you are as a person. So I decided I needed to figure out who watches Asthma Gold. So in December of 2025, I put out a tweet saying, "If you live in New York City, I would love to talk to you." And I got hundreds of responses, all of which said absolutely not. Some of them said I was trying to make a trap, that I was going to record them, even though I said it was going to be an off- thereord talk. I just wanted to figure out who they were, and they all hated the idea so much. I also got a lot of valuable answers. People seemed to love Asthmold because they love to spend time with someone who is genuine.

[00:24:46]The fact that he is someone real, that he is someone you could hang out with, that he doesn't seem like he's faking it. And I don't necessarily believe that's a >> look, he's a standard caricature of a gamer, not some LA yacht streamer.

[00:24:56]Whenever he starts talking politics though, I tune it out. This YouTuber got a mentioned he felt inferior by sucking at Elder Ring, which made him into a white supremacist. No, I think he was kind of there. Uh, and then he got a little taste of the clout with the Amber Heard saga and then he just kept going.

[00:25:12]>> A good thing for a content creator because those people may not have your best interest.

[00:25:16]>> While I'm not in New York City, obviously I'll tell you why people might feel that way whether they agree or not.

[00:25:19]He doesn't sugar cart how he feels. He's blunt and totally honest. I'll be honest myself. I hate a lot of what he says, but he still managed to get me to watch regardless >> at heart. I don't think Asmma Gold has >> I'm willing to bet every single person that wrote this under that comment has deep tremendous disdain for me. For a lot of these guys, like their understanding of politics ends and begins with content creators on the internet. There is no worldview beyond it. There is no politics beyond it. It's just it's just like I hate Hassan. I love Asmin Gold. I love Asmin Gold. I hate Hassan. That type of [ __ ] >> Anyone's best interest at heart other than himself. He just >> like us. Buddy, my community despises when I cover as gold for more than three and a half minutes. This is the first time uh I've I've watched a a long extensive Asmin Gold video. This community doesn't give a about Asmin Gold. Are you insane? At most, at most sometimes when he says some heinous [ __ ] we cover it. But more often than not, throughout the entire day, we're just talking about the news. Like, I just interviewed a candidate running for Senate for an hour and a half.

[00:26:32]What are you talking about? And when you say us, I suspect you're not even a fan.

[00:26:37]You're just in here laring as a fan. I understand the space that I occupy.

[00:26:42]Okay? I understand what my I have a very clear-cut purpose, a very clear-cut goal, an agenda. I have a worldview. I'm not shy about explaining what my worldview is. And I bake it into all the news coverage that I do throughout the day. I see my role, my job, my responsibility as someone who is going to navigate the world of news every single day for whoever wants to come in here and learn what the going on. That's it. That's my job. There are, of course, instances where I'll dive into silly, meme around, make jokes, maybe even play a video game every now and then, every eight months or so. But through thick and thin, through the highs and the lows, whether people are uh watching or whether people are not paying attention, I'm always in here covering the day news every single day. That's what I'm doing.

[00:27:34]>> Wants to be able to like live how he wants to live. The money he makes means nothing to him. I got a 1099 and it was like millions of dollars. I don't even know where it came from.

[00:27:43]>> You probably have 6 to8 6 to8 million left after taxes.

[00:27:49]>> More than that, probably a lot more than that. Really?

[00:27:51]>> He doesn't want to grow off of it. He just wants to like exist and again not have to work. And the people who watch him I think feel similarly. They just want to be able to watch and not think and just hang out. So about a month after I do that tweet, I put out another tweet which is basically my thoughts on Asthma Gold. I will I will let Asmigold read my tweet so I don't have to.

[00:28:11]>> About a month or so back, I asked any Asminold fans to meet me in the real world. What? What? But none of them took me up on the offer. Instead, I got hundreds of replies and messages saying that I didn't understand them, how I should just watch his streams and not the clips. So, I did uh I did and I learned that Zach doesn't care. He'll put out a video that he doesn't understand the full context of and rant about it with extreme right-wing bias.

[00:28:33]Uh it's vitrial for 6 hours straight.

[00:28:37]Um, a handpicked selection of clips designed to invoke anger without critical thinking. I genuinely believe there are people here for his gaming takes, and I'm so worried that they're getting radicalized by Twitch's most powerful and least researched streamer.

[00:28:49]>> He read it on stream and was quite pissed.

[00:28:51]>> This guy is like, he's randomly trying, oh, meet me in real life. Yeah, obviously random people don't want to meet some dumbass in real life. Let's see what this guy's saying about me.

[00:29:01]>> And then his fans came after me hard.

[00:29:03]They were ready to, you know, call me all sort of names. But out of that tweet, I managed to get a conversations going with a few actual Asthma Gold fans, people who agreed that, hey, maybe it's a good time to kind of leave the echo chamber because believes that you should stay within the echo chamber.

[00:29:20]>> So, the problem that I have is that whenever I want to interact with somebody or somebody wants to interact with me, usually that's like a non-starter because I don't want to talk to anybody.

[00:29:30]>> What's a good time for you? Never.

[00:29:33]Never. That's the answer. Never.

[00:29:36]>> Whenever Destiny or Hassan want to debate him these days, he turns it down because the idea of having your views questioned is completely unacceptable to ask. I have no obligation to do any.

[00:29:47]>> And it's really funny cuz like Destiny fans will say this about me as well. And it's like, no, I just don't want to be around Destiny.

[00:29:53]>> I'm I talk to people that I disagree all the time. I do debates in public. I go outside. I I do debates that I set up ahead of time with people like Sean Hannity and then they escape me. Um, you know, I'm setting one up with Van Jones.

[00:30:09]I just don't want to [ __ ] be anywhere near that weirdo. But I'll debate anybody else pretty much.

[00:30:14]>> Anything. And there are some people.

[00:30:15]>> He doesn't want to debate anybody. He doesn't want anyone to question him at all.

[00:30:20]>> People that think that.

[00:30:21]>> Yeah. Charlie Kirk dodged me too. So does Sean Hannity. It's up >> because I disagree with you so much. you have some kind of like obligation to one v one me or something. Um, >> I do think if you do political commentary, you I think there should be this would be one of the laws I would enforce. You should have an obligation to have some kind of confrontational discourse. It can't just be that everybody can go run off into their own corners and construct their own realities. That's just crazy to me. I don't think it's acceptable.

[00:30:47]>> Yeah.

[00:30:48]>> No, >> he wants to exist in this world and he wants to be that sort of guy that doesn't have his stuff question. He wants to exist in the filth. Throughout all these conversations and all these tweets, what I learned is that the average Asthma Gold fan just wants to live in their own echo chamber. They just want to relate to a guy who they feel is like them. I don't want to make fun of these people, but the first openly said how much he loves fascism.

[00:31:15]The second one was a fourth generation Mexican immigrant who believes that immigration is a bad thing. And the third made me a whole PowerPoint about Hassan's armpits.

[00:31:24]>> Who am I? None of your business.

[00:31:27]>> Black drew it. He reached out to me with extreme animosity and really was like, I'm going to own this guy. He gave me a list of five rules.

[00:31:37]>> Oh my god, brother. What? This is I told you. I told you. It's like there are entire circles on the internet where they just sit around and have psychosexual pathological obsessions with what they perceive I'm doing on a daily basis. It is such a strange way to live. These are the great names you click by the way.

[00:32:00]No, I know.

[00:32:01]>> Before we even spoke, including I could not asking his name or any personal information, which is pretty hard for an interview because that's kind of the whole point. But once we got talking, it got even stranger.

[00:32:14]>> Ardan girl isn't uh right-winger. He's been as far as Overwatch. Going back all the way to the Dark Soul days, he's always been leftwing. Um, if you want, I'm just going to just send a quick photo to you so you can just take a look.

[00:32:31]>> Oh my god, another European.

[00:32:35]Wait, what the Bro, you're just mentally ill. You're like a mentally ill euroid chud. You need to stop, bro. You have socialized medicine. Okay, I can hear it in your accent. Go to the hospital. Check in to the hospital, big dog. What the are you doing? You're not even taking advantage of it. Again, if you want to argue on whether or not Asmin Gold is leftwing, just argue on the the the policies that he advances, that he advocates for, why do you have to compare him to me? Like, this is this is betraying the entire project. Like, you basically give the game away. Your entire understanding of the world revolves around Twitch streamers, man. [ __ ] had created an entire PowerPoint where he showed why Hassan is worse than Asmagult because Hassan had a horse growing up and Asan was the goated Chad who lived in squalor. These were benefits to him.

[00:33:38]Black Drew giggled when I used the term PC.

[00:33:40]>> Get that there are like PC's in in media.

[00:33:43]>> Sorry, can you say that again?

[00:33:44]>> There are PC's in media.

[00:33:46]>> PC's heart.

[00:33:50]>> That's a that's a person of color. Um I don't I'm not sure if you know but um I'm a brown myself so uh I'm not really sure what you were expecting but uh let's move on >> and believes that DEI is what is killing video games and went on a long rant about >> I know for a fact that if very rare to appeal to um like this woke ideology they also lose a rot of money like you can look at the video game for example, Dragon Age. I would actually assume that a lot of men have felt attacked by journalists that though we were basically their whole space of the gaming sphere because they've catered it on a culture to the woke crowd, those lost billions. We can just talk about conquered if the bro he thinks he's cooking. He thinks he's literally cooking right now. He's like, "Well, let me tell you, uh, the DI has a destroyed video gaming."

[00:34:57]Listen, I'm a brown euroid. I bet you are confused that a brown man could be a racist.

[00:35:07]Well, be confused no longer.

[00:35:11]That's right.

[00:35:21]Oh, that's right. A checkmate.

[00:35:23]Libertard.

[00:35:25]>> I bet you're scared I said such an edgy voice, edgy word. Libertard.

[00:35:34]>> This video has pushed me to my absolute limit. My YouTube recommended feed has been absolutely destroyed. It is just full of asthma gold videos now. And now I see his hair and teeth whenever I close my eyes or go to sleep. Dei and woke just fill my every moment. But it hasn't all been bad. There have been a few bright spots in this production.

[00:35:58]Allan recently beat cancer and said that his opinions on Asthma have shifted mainly because of Asmin's takes on the Iran war.

[00:36:06]>> So when you first talked to me and talking about Asmin, I'm not 100% sure where that was in general because that was a couple of months ago. But with this latest Iran stuff, he is just following the narrative, which is America good and we're we're the best type thing. And I'm like, >> wait, remember Allan literally said he's a fascist, so there's a high likelihood that he no longer with Asmin Gold as much because he just only watches Nick Fuentes.

[00:36:35]Yes, Allan the Australian. I don't think he's salvaged himself. Maybe he has.

[00:36:41]We'll hear what he has to say. Or he could have just moved on to someone who is uh at least a little bit more knowledgeable about what's going on.

[00:36:49]Although they are still uh a fascist, right? Almost jail time, buddy. Yeah, bro. Even whether I go to jail or not, you're still a loser. Okay.

[00:37:01]>> Yeah. No, >> but the reality is that you have to also look at why are people oppressed? And in some cases, there's a good reason why they're oppressed and you should probably oppress them even more. They deserve it. And I think that Iran's a good example. Same with criminals, stuff like that, shoplifterss.

[00:37:16]>> I feel it's more about keeping the audience that he wants.

[00:37:21]>> And I think that the moment that American bombs start dropping, the moment that American soldiers get involved, now the it's no longer the Iranian revolution, it's the uh regime change that was basically >> Dude, he was so That's the other thing that also annoys me. Like I understand why a lot of people were very mad at me and they never let it go when I was wrong about Russia will never invade Ukraine even though my analysis I still stand by it was sound and I was literally uh you know getting my notes from Ukrainian resources on the ground who also didn't think that it was uh it was uh you know convincing enough that it was something Vladimir Putin is crazy enough to commit to. I was wrong. Okay, I apologize. We moved on. But these guys are so consistently wrong all the time.

[00:38:08]fix your own country marrying 13year-olds 9year-olds and then maybe we can talk about the Epstein files after that. Are you aware that it's legal to marry children in many states in the USA? No, I'm not aware of that. Would you like to educate me? Why don't Why don't you educate me on this topic? Ask Rock. Is child marriage legal in the USA?

[00:38:30]Yes. One part is still under 18. Well, how many of them have happened? How many child marriages And yet no one actually goes, "Dude, what the you are you are genuinely leading me astray." They're perfectly happy being wrong. They're perfectly happy living in the wrong universe. And whenever the truth contradicts what they assume is happening or what they assume is going to happen, they don't just go, "Where am I getting this bad information from?" They just move along. I don't know how you can live like that. I don't know how you can actually consistently feed yourself bad information. Remember the amazing Amazon t amazing asthma take that people would get bored with his Israel stuff? Yeah, he was wrong on that too. Or even like sex pestiny. Epstein is a big like uh wrong bet kind of guy too. He just was consistently wrong on the Israel issue and he's just never let it go. He just constantly uh he's found himself deeper and deeper in a hole on this Israel stuff and on numerous other occasions as well like you know Joe Biden shouldn't drop out.

[00:39:43]>> Destiny, what do you have?

[00:39:45]I think that there are two competing outlooks that we should keep in mind or not competing but concurrent outlooks that we should keep in mind when we're thinking about who we want to be uh the Democratic nominee. Um for the first part I think that it's important that we pick our strongest candidate. Uh I hope I I'm not sure but I hope that everybody here agrees with that that we should put forth the strongest candidate who can mobilize the most votes for the Democratic party. And right now, for reasons we'll get into, I think that for better or for worse is still Joe Biden >> or uh you know, Kla Harris is going to win and we can actually cast aside this lefty nonsense and like we should actually purge the left from the party, from the ranks of the party, all this stuff like and and there are there is a legion of like cult followers basically that are just they they live in this stuper that live in this environment where they're just wrong all the [ __ ] time and they're unbelievably loud.

[00:40:38]while they're wrong all the time. I don't understand it. I don't get it. If I was going to a single resource for all of my information, yeah, Mum Donnie won't win all this. But if I was going to a single resource for all my information and that single resource was consistently wrong in their analysis, in their prediction, all this I would probably Yeah. I mean, there's another great example, another one of his orbiters. Kamla aggressively courting moderates the rhetoric in a speech at the ellipse. You absolutely love to see it. I feel extremely confident that the strategy will ultimately prove itself to be a right move come election day when we see margins of indies in ours.

[00:41:15]Victory needs to come first and this current elector is definitely not asking for a Bernie Sanders approach to government. Do what needs to be done in order to win. We have zero options without victory. Like I think there's a difference uh in like David Pacman's audience for example. David Pacman's audience is like more adult and actually going to David Pacman to get information. So David Pacman lost a lot of subscribers in the aftermath of the election because people were like angry at him. They they felt like he had actually led them astray because David Pacman regardless of our ideological differences, regardless of our our, you know, world views has an audience that is there to like learn about the world.

[00:41:53]has an audience that isn't there just to like lean into internet drama or or whatever kind of idiotic thing that uh Asmin Gold or Destiny covers in general.

[00:42:02]That's the case. And that's why I think his adult audience was like, "This sucks."

[00:42:07]>> He moved away from his like most lovable hobby, which was like World of Warcraft, but now he's just like pretty much miserable with like Twitter now.

[00:42:16]>> Though Charlay has stopped watching Asthma Gold, he's found it difficult to get rid of all of his mannerisms entirely. Asthma Gold was a major figure to Charlay, someone he's still struggling to move past.

[00:42:27]>> He's still been kind of my disease. All that grind mentality as of recently became deeply diminished. It begins to like pry open your like mental state.

[00:42:38]There's just like nowhere to go except the hole you kind of dug for yourself.

[00:42:42]>> I get the Asmin Gold appeal. It's like watching something a little bit upsetting like a blackhead popping video. I I guess I don't understand it.

[00:42:48]I I I have nothing in my life that I can compare this to. Maybe I have the the weird kind of autism where I'm I'm literally obsessed with like maximizing.

[00:42:58]I'm obsessed with minmaxing. Okay, I'll use a gaming term for all you gamers in the chat. Okay, where everything I do, I try to minmax. I'm trying to brain max.

[00:43:07]Racist Coco Melon. This is true. Um, I I'm, you know, when I'm when I'm offline, I'm trying to friend max or I'm trying to brain max, trying to learn.

[00:43:23]There's a lot of information out there.

[00:43:25]There's so much that I don't know. So, I'm trying to fill my brain with as much information as possible so I can be a more competent commentator. I'm working out, body maxing, right?

[00:43:38]And it's strange to me that that with the limited amount of time that people have in their lives, they choose to spend it watching Asthma Gold. I don't know >> when it comes to Charlie, he makes me feel hopeful about the future of of Asthma Gold viewers because when we kind of look at what these people are going through, a a lot of them >> I sympathize with this guy feeling like a streamer was leading him on. It's like how you lead us on pretending you're going to game. I literally do not even lie to you anymore. I don't even dignify you with a lie. I tell you openly that it's not happening. So, at this point, you're just on maximum copium for thinking that it's happening.

[00:44:20]>> Asthma Gold isn't turning these people antisocial. They already are, but he's giving them an outlet, a place where they can feel like they don't need to grow. They don't need to change. They don't need to live outside their echo chamber. they can just continue being who they are and that's where the problem lies.

[00:44:37]>> He he did an hour video yesterday of one of these woke games. It was called Relooted. I watched the video. It definitely just came across as low quality content.

[00:44:50]>> Listen guys, it's a hard game. There's a lot of lot of graphics going on here.

[00:44:55]>> I I definitely have noticed I soured on his content and that's whether it was the way he was acting where he's just playing it up. I think because of the way he was playing it up, it felt like the mask had dropped and that was his reality. And I'm like, maybe.

[00:45:11]>> See, one day people will also look back at his like fake laughter and go gross cuz he can't play games. Yeah. He's really bad at gaming and he gets really mad, which is I guess the the closest the the most similar I feel to him.

[00:45:25]>> He's an idiot.

[00:45:27]>> Asthma Gold doesn't want you to improve.

[00:45:30]He doesn't want you to become less lonely and become a better person because if you do, you might stop watching him. I don't really think he thinks about this stuff. I think he knows at his heart of hearts that if these people start to get better and don't think that all of these like immigrants, women, DEI are the enemy, then they might try to leave. They might see Asthma Gold as the enemy.

[00:45:53]>> I just It's crack, bro. It's It's copium. That's what it is. Everything sucks in your life. If you're at your lowest point in your life and you look at a guy who, you know, visually looks like he's always at the lowest point in his life and he tells you that the reason why you're in the lowest point in your life is not because of capitalism, not because of the way the system is designed, not because of your starting point, your shitty spawn point or whatever. And it actually has everything to do with the fact that there are brown people out there, scary brown people, that there are trans people out there.

[00:46:22]And that's what society cares about.

[00:46:23]They don't care about you. A white man who has been [ __ ] over over and over again. A white man who never achieved what you were destined to achieve. What you were told you were supposed to achieve in a society that's supposed to be designed around your domination. And it hits likeing crack. Yeah. And women.

[00:46:39]Of course, women. Oh, yuck. Women the biggest enemy of all. You know, you're being replaced. The the elites in society don't care about you, which they don't. There is truth to that. And they're trying to replace you with a third world migrants and and women don't want to you and it's because of feminism because they think they're better than you because they want to someone hotter than you. It's not crack. It is heroin.

[00:47:03]Exactly. And it dulls your senses and you sit there and you wallow in your filth without ever assuming that you have the capacity or the power to self-improve. And and that hope every day that hope of of a better future is robbed from you and you wallow in your self-pity and you fall into this deep dark space where the only thing that gives you hope in your life, not hope, but like the only thing that gives you joy in your life is reveling in the pain of others. That's how this works.

[00:47:32]Everything sucks for me and it sucks for me because of systematic factors, but not the correct systematic factors.

[00:47:38]systematic systematic factors such as you know brown uh brown people that were importing into society. The sense of community that you arrive at in places like Asminold's community in places like Sex Pestiny's community are entirely designed around enemies and they're not usually even ideological enemies.

[00:47:57]Sometimes it's ideological enemies but often times it's a stand it's it's a figurehead that is a standin for the ideological enemy. It can be a Twitch streamer that your favorite content creator has deep envy and resentment for. Attack him. You're attacking him to do politics. And I see this see this all the time with again Epstein's fan base, right? They're not normal. They spend every single waking moment like spamming clips to be like, "Let's go." There is actually a little bit of motion around like uh you know, Assad is in trouble.

[00:48:30]Federal government's coming after him.

[00:48:32]Let's go. Let's slam as many clips as possible on the timeline. Let's let's take a little bit. Let's chip away at his uh you know high horse this guy, right? You didn't do anything. You didn't do anything. You didn't accomplish anything. Your life didn't get better. You just felt a sense of satisfaction because you're trying to drag others down to where you're at and it's not going to evening work. With Asmin Gold, it's also me, but also beyond me. It's, you know, random video game journalists, right? Random transgender content creators on the internet. There's tremendous satisfaction from kicking them down, you know, kicking them down a peg while they're already on the ground, you know?

[00:49:09]Yeah. A reminder that no matter how bad things get for you, it's always going to be worse for that person in that immediate moment when you're cyberstalking them, when you're a logging them, when you're actually trying to ruin their lives. And that's it. Like I I legitimately want them to do better. I want these people to do better. I want everyone to do better. So when I talk about this stuff, it's not to like disparage these people and be like, "Oh, you, you know, eat [ __ ] and die." It's to genuinely be like, I hope you can snap out of it. I hope this is a moment where you think you're tapping the glass, but the glass is tapping back at you and you get scared and then hopefully you look at the reflection and you see what you've become and you make the necessary changes in your life to get better. Like as one of the biggest streamer versus communities while vilest will just say this about a trans woman with 10 uh 10 concurrent viewers and nobody cares. I don't see these people as people and compares her to a dog.

[00:50:02]Remember when this was against Yeah.

[00:50:05]>> I bet she's saying so strong these people are demons. Well, I mean guys >> like look someone compiled tweets from this random trans Twitter user just so they can get together as a community and rip into them, right?

[00:50:22]lay into this person, right? Make their day awful. And then they take it the next level. They go to the account and they're in the replies and they're like, "Fuck you. You're trans. You're going to kill yourself." Blah blah blah blah blah. All this [ __ ] When you're doing that, you're not in a healthy mindset, man. You're literally one step removed from unironically engaging in suicide by cop or a school shooting. The only thing holding you back in that situation from committing a heinous act of violence is basically the fact that you're too afraid to go outside and encounter another human being. Thankfully, it's crazy. A lot of these shadows aren't fully rooted in this hopelessness and they just think they found community.

[00:51:01]They can easily be pulled out by showing them there's another way. Yeah, I think so. Oh, I mean there's definitely a lot of people uh there's definitely a lot of people in even this community that that probably found themselves in their lowest point in their lives at a certain point, maybe a couple years ago, maybe as recently as last year, right? And and they were engaging in this kind of behavior, but something shifted. Maybe they heard Asmin Gold explain a concept that they were more knowledgeable of and that caused them to snap out of it, right? Cuz that happens a lot.

[00:51:32]>> I'm going to just be kind of blunt.

[00:51:33]Comments like this don't bring her back and kill her again. It's just a stupid comment made by an idiot on the internet. Like whenever I say that I don't care what people's opinions are, it's because I don't care about the people. Like why would I? Like for example, like if a dog is barking at me, I don't ask myself and think, "Oh my god, I'm so sad this dog was mean." I I don't even think about it's an animal to me. I I don't I don't even like I might sound bad. I don't even see these people as people. I don't I don't treat them like people. I don't see them as people.

[00:52:03]All I do is I just see what they say and I respond to it.

[00:52:07]>> What do you help me pull me out of one of my lowest points in my life a few years back? I mean, I try I try to do that. I That's That's the goal, you know? Hey, he's talking about me. I used to watch Asmin Gold. My sis told me to start watching you. As Gold started to talk about women all weird, and I was like, this guy, you are so much better and actually make sense. I learned so much, discovered myself as non-binary, panexual. Thank you. I've become a better person. And thank you, sis. Hell yeah, chatter. I feel like nowadays nobody wants to critically think about anything. Nobody wants to have their own opinion about anything. Like I've noticed this a lot >> because in the real world that's what people would tell them if they had community. A lot of these men are isolated. They lack a support system that sort of keeps them from going down rabbit holes. I think after co a lot of people became even more isolated and unaware of what was going to happen to them and they went down deep dark rabbit holes blaming all of these other issues for their problems rather than what was actually causing them which was their isolation loneliness and lack of human communication. We as people need other people in order to feel whole. Human society was born out of a need to congregate. And when that community is taken away and completely disregarded, we sort of lose our sense of identity.

[00:53:20]We lose who we are. And when someone offers that sort of sense of community becomes even more important. Influencers give online individuals a community. And Asthmaold is offering them a different sort of community, one that isn't more politically correct. Remember a time when you could be on Xbox and say a whole bunch of slurs? Asthma Gold offers you that space and there's a Discord where you can hang out and talk your [ __ ] >> The Discord is basically a [ __ ] post. It doesn't really have like anything to do with the general like Asmin Gold stuff.

[00:53:51]It's just like a little hangout place.

[00:53:53]>> You can be exactly who you want to be.

[00:53:55]Even if that person is, you know, kind of gross, you don't need to improve. You don't need to get better. You don't need to be a happier person because you can be an Asthma Gold viewer. You can be part of the club. And now for something that I hope doesn't make too many Asthma Gold viewers uncomfortable. And I'm gonna go touch some grass.

[00:54:13]>> A good video.

[00:54:17]I don't think anyone has ever done a psychoanalysis uh on Asmin Gold fans in general. I Which creators fan should I look into next? Like I feel like if he did something like this in my community, I suspect that the outcome would be very different. And I know that because journalists have profiled my fans. So, what's interesting about this is journalists have have reached out to my fans like NPR and other numerous outlets have reached out to my fans at times um when they're doing a profile on me and uh they've they've had them uh featured in the reporting and it's a very different vibe. What do I hear all the time when I go outside, when I go to protest, when I go to uh you know, when I go canvas or do campaign events and things like that, people come up to me and they say, "Man, you changed my life." I wouldn't be out here doing activism if it wasn't for you. Um I wouldn't be door knockocking if it wasn't for you. I wouldn't be at this protest if it wasn't for you. Things of that nature. And that's exactly the the change that I want to see in the world.

[00:55:19]That's exactly what I want my output to look like. I don't want to lead you down a pit of despair to be sad, lonely, and angry all the time. I want you to to to be angry at the right things and use that anger and resentment for uh designing a more productive future for yourself and others. That's why I always urge you to touch grass, urge you to be normal, urge you to go out and organize in your communities, organize labor unions in your workplace, join the DSA, go out and door knock for candidates, right? Phone bank. That's it. I want you to to be the best possible version of yourselves. Whereas I feel like a lot of people are trafficking in despair.

[00:56:00]They're merchants of despair. And a lot of content creators on the internet especially, they they feed into this sadness and loneliness and they know maybe that's just who they are. Maybe that's what they're most comfortable being. But it works for them. It works that their output is constant negativity. And I know that they say that about me as well, but it's projection. And on that note, ladies and gentlemen, I will bid you adue and I will go hang out with friends and family. Uh, but I'll be back tomorrow.

[00:56:33]Okay. I love you all. I love this community. I'm very proud of you. We do great work no matter what the haters