In high-performance engine builds, precise valve clearance measurement is critical for preventing valve-to-piston contact. Technicians use Play-Doh to simulate clearance, targeting 30-35 thousandths of an inch to allow for thermal expansion during operation. Head gasket thickness directly affects compression ratio, with thinner gaskets (0.027 inch) providing higher compression but increased detonation risk, while thicker gaskets (0.032 inch) provide a safer margin. For naturally aspirated builds, maintaining proper valve clearance and compression ratio is essential for achieving optimal power output while preventing engine damage.
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No, you weren't. You're full of it.
Anyway, Mustang Mustang on our dyno.
>> It's because the dynino tune dyno exploded.
>> Actually, it didn't. I'm full of it.
What happened to it? It broke.
>> The brakes aren't working.
>> Brakes aren't working, which sucks because then it doesn't slow down. Uh, and we don't want to use your brakes to break our dyno because that destroys them. Not really. It just it shatters them up quick.
He's going to warp him. Yeah. So, we can't use that as a dyno. They can't use that as a dyno. So, we said, "A we love you. Heart, heart, heart. Um, come use ours." Somehow, we have one like, zero viewers.
>> Anyhoo, anyhow, let's see what we got going on this one. Oh my god, the motor is back. And the baby, the baby. I love the baby. He's my favorite music guy. Not really, but that is back in. Um, the shop Mustang looking super sexy.
Matt did a great job cleaning it until it got dusty sitting here over the weekend, but we just didn't.
>> I gotta get these Brembbezies for my mother unit.
My mom needs these Bremmbos. I mean, she doesn't like she doesn't be breaking breaking, but it'll be nice to have it.
Um, this one is a dyno tune car. Uh, 4,000 miles, I want to say, on it. I believe it's a procharger setup. It keeps throwing belts off. Every time you do a pull and you let off, the belt explodes. So, kind of a bummer. Uh, dealership has it sent it into us to put on 93 and to figure out that issue. We got on the 93. Um, it's just more so the Belgini. Um, but fun fact for my my non non Ford enthusiasts is uh red line on this is past eight. Big fan of that. Big big big fan of that. Should I get a Copart GT 350 just for the revs folks?
The thinker. Dan, can you do me a favor?
Can you take a seat real quick and give me a thinker? Can you give me Damn, he's thinking. This boy's pondering. So, he's about to go on lunch. He hates working with me. Um, this is our boy Cal out of Wisconsin.
Everything finally coming together.
Since Dan has hit a stopping point on that one, he is progressing into this baby. So, Motor Trans, all that jazz is out. We got all the goodies over here.
What are we working with, Dan? You don't get to go to lunch yet. You have to talk.
>> I mean, you don't have to.
>> Big three quarter race cam.
>> Three/4er race cam. Okay.
>> High performance springs.
>> High performance >> push rods. New spark plugs. Polar spark plugs.
>> Yep.
>> 180.
>> Where's the 750 double pumper?
>> Um, >> she ain't got it yet.
>> Almost here.
>> Almost here.
>> Yep.
lower pulley% lower.
>> Looks like we got some heads here.
>> Intake. Man, she is just getting everything. And of course, because this car uh >> is only an off-road car. Doesn't go on the street.
Look at that.
Thank you, Cooks. So, if you guys have off-road only vehicles and you're looking at a set of headers, we can get you a set of off-road mid pipes.
Off-road only. Don't drive it on the road or something. So, uh why the 1A?
It's because we're increasing boost, which increases heat, so it helps with heat management and whatnot.
>> Kong ported 27. Oh, let me rip this thing apart.
Yeah.
Yeah. So, if you didn't know, you're about to, uh, Kong does offer custom powder coating. So, if you send your blower in and you want it coated like this, this is a, uh, a satin black. I'm really glad we went with this color.
This came out very, very nice. Um, but we can get that done. So, black on black on black on black. We should paint the engine black. Black on black on black on black on black. All the black. But that's how this son of a gun's going.
Yeah. Non-boosted NA, we do keep stock thermostat as we see when they're natural aspirated. Uh they just tend to like run a little bit hotter. But on an application like this where boost was introduced and boost is quite drastically increased, which increases temps, we do it as just a little bit of, you know, that added help her out a bit, make her life easier. So see what else we got. This is my project. This is my uh source of joy.
This is a beautiful TRX that has a uh a turbo that's no longer turboing.
Let me just zoom in.
Yeah. So, the turbo said, "Oh boy, I'm not happy." Um, so we're pulling the motor, pulling the trans. Everything everything is getting built. Uh, but because it's a TRX, mind the hair, I have to remove the body from the frame.
Joy of joys. Lots of bolts, lots of things to undo. Um, I'm just midway through that. So, but look at all this room once you get rid of uh once you get rid of a fan. I mean, there is just room for days here, boys. But yeah, this one this is my little my little pride and joy. Speaking of pride and joy, we have the uh the heartbeat of Kentucky is what they're calling it. The pride and uh you know of Louisville. I don't actually know where he's from and I'm not trying to dox him. Anyway, all Moto X. This is his car. What is it doing here? I don't know.
No one knows.
It could be anyone's guess what his car is doing here. If you notice, it's still stock bottom end. It's still stock bottom end. We've literally said what we're doing to this car about 623 times.
Uh but it's still stock bottom end. I did hear Yes, Jeff, you're correct. He's talking about going purple. He's thinking if he does the purple does whatever we're doing, he thinks he can do an 8second aloter mile pass. So, we will have to see. But look how light and nothingness these brakes are. Bro, these are crazy. Big fan of these. Put them on my Civic. So, of course, he's got the diff brace, drag pack, all that goodness. He doesn't have cradle lockouts. We're going to bully him and make fun of him. Uh he is he is getting quite a lot though so nothing too crazy. Headers here of course got himself a new big boy set. Got some fancymancy heads. We've already shown these off. Those are those 57 heads ported Mr. Grimes I want to say. And uh these son of guns have if I can actually show you if I can turn this camera one sec. Pardon the hand. Look at the size on these.
is using all of the real estate to make it work. And that is what we like to see.
So, that's about it, folks. Um, nothing else really too crazy. I mean, out here still missing a desk and a computer and a toolbox.
Uh, but yeah, that's kind of about it. I kind of want to go show off Matt. See what he's up to. Get an interview with him. But I kind of don't think that would be an idea. So, let's go bother AO instead. See what's up with the bro Ao as he walks away. God, these people just hate that film. And man, can I come on through your truck? Oh, I got a I got a single finger salute.
>> What up, hunk?
>> Give us some wisdom. Look at those guns out. Sun's out, guns out.
>> That's right, baby.
>> FLEX FOR THEM.
>> WOO.
POW POW POW. CALL THAT THE GUN SHOW.
All right. Where is CJ? I'm not sure.
Where is CJ? I don't think you seen him.
>> Probably on the phone.
>> Probably on the phone. Let's see. Is he actually No, he's not on the phone.
Where's that lazy lazy man?
>> CJ.
>> Oh, he went to get lunch.
>> Yeah. Ran away.
>> Typical.
>> Typical.
>> Bails out as soon as it gets tough.
>> All right. So, just say something about football. CJ will appear. Hey, look.
It's us, guys.
>> Did you wipe the screen down?
>> Yeah, that's just that's the camera.
Camera. That's the TV.
>> Got to wipe. What happened?
>> It was recording. I don't know.
Whatever.
>> Anyway, >> let's see if I can get this. What's up, everybody?
>> Panda Express told me today I have aquisit tape. Exquisite.
>> I was going to open mine on here and see.
>> Open it up. Let's see what it says.
>> Let's see how the camera sounds. Oh, little low.
>> Little low.
Say you have glasses in your future.
>> Say you have glasses in your picture.
>> One more.
>> He's so needy, guys.
>> Our snake. Our snake. Uh, >> that was not graceful.
>> That was not graceful at all.
>> Wow, >> that hurt.
Oh, that hurt. All right, I'm gonna feel that for a while.
>> Yeah, there'll be a recovery in there.
>> Yeah, our snake.
>> Our snake shed. Big updates.
>> Shelby Shelby has a home.
>> Yes. If you want the snake sucks to suck, you missed out. You were too slow.
>> Yeah.
>> Too slow for too low.
>> Uh CJ's dad.
>> Yeah, CJ's dad. Yeah, he has a snake and he has experience it for a long time.
So, keep going a good home. Yeah, keep it in the fam. So, shall we >> go to a good home?
>> We uh woke him up quite a bit. He's very active now and very social. So, I think we did our part for rehab.
>> He's a chiller. He looks way better. His skin doesn't look as taut.
So, that's good. All in one piece. So, he's a happy.
>> Got a freaking love fellas.
>> Yeah, buddy. Um Yeah. So, how was the shop update, >> man? that TRX.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> A lot has been changed because of the turbo. So, a lot of the normal procedure for a cab off is different now. So, it's just >> kind of following the normal procedures and then having to make little detours throughout it. So, it's coming. It's coming.
>> Calvin's car is in. Showed a little bit of that. What's going on with that?
That's going to be a really fun build.
It's basically um it's like an improved duplicate of what he did with his Durango.
>> Yeah. So, >> very excited for that.
>> For sure.
>> Showed off how clean your the S650 was.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Pretty car.
>> My brother washed the six pack yesterday. That's when it rained.
>> Yeah. He washed my 300 and it got wet.
>> He washed my mom's Mustang. Didn't get wet. However, I forgot that it was washed and I put my arm out the window in the drive home. Says nice mark on the side.
>> At least it's a wrap.
>> She's thrilled about >> Yeah, you just take it off. Wipe it off.
Just rewrap.
>> All right, let's jump in. Let's do our our cookie here.
>> All right, cookie review.
>> I need some good fortune.
>> Let's see.
>> Let's see. It says, "Live for today, remember yesterday, plan for tomorrow."
I think that's fitting.
>> Mine says, "You have an IRS audit company your future."
>> Be careful with that.
>> Yeah, >> you guys, >> that's fitting for what we're going through.
>> Can I see that again?
>> It's a good one.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. That's a good one.
>> So, >> they got some bangers out there. Panda Express. Speaking of, if you guys want to sponsor us, you can sponsor us. We'll shout out your fortune cook.
>> I'll take this sponsor, too.
>> We'll also take that one. I mean, you're >> It's the color of our shop. You know what I mean? The black and green or your shirt you're wearing right now is the color of panda. So, we can go multiple ways.
>> We can go multiple ways. So, if anybody was wondering if you um if you attempt to purchase a CNC machine and want decide to return it after it is built, um there's a 25% restocking fee, just so you guys are aware. So, anybody that wants to buy, you know, $300,000 machine and then have an unfortunate incident that pops up out of nowhere, >> you know, you can't take it anymore, it's 25% worth of the value of the machine to return it plus some additional fees on top of it. So yeah, >> nothing against love. They're working with us on this, but it looks like that machine's gonna stay.
>> Yeah, >> let's make some uh let's make submarine parts.
>> Where do you go to buy submarine parts?
You a submarine?
>> I'm just saying. Where do you go?
>> The Navy.
>> Probably pretty sucky.
>> Anyone know? Anyone know the Navy? Put us in touch. just the Navy.
>> I'll take care of that.
>> So, uh yeah, I mean, what else happened this week? This week flew by.
>> Um yeah, it did. Lots of lots of uh lifealtering changes. Lots of non-lifealtering changes. Lots of cars leaving.
>> Lots of cars leaving.
>> Weather and parts are showing up. So, that was Thank God.
>> That was good. I think last week and this week we got the most notices of part shipping surprise notices.
>> So nice.
>> We thought it was going to take another three weeks, four weeks shipping now.
So, uh, yeah, that that was awesome.
>> Waiting on a hot second for a lot of parts.
>> And man, hopefully I can get these CNC up and running and start making more.
So, >> yeah, we're doing good. But a lot of stuff, you know, I we're behind on on the social media posting dino videos and stuff like that. I probably have over a dozen results that we haven't shared yet on cars. Um, still have a couple uh unknowns on some of them. You know what I mean? I know we kind of talked about that a couple weeks ago. Some things that are delays that aren't a little fun.
>> Y but it's just >> it's the way she goes, man. Listen, if everything was if everything was um >> peaches and roses and cherries, you know, life would be kind of boring because there wouldn't be any good to outweigh it. So, >> you know, it sucks, but that's the way it goes. So, you just you roll with it and >> you adapt. It's all part of the song.
>> Yeah.
>> Speaking of fun, uh, there was a transition there. There was a Yeah. Oh, god.
>> So, now that he's back wrenching, he's uh he's a little more tired. So, >> yeah. It's heavenly though. It's so nice.
>> It's great, >> man. and Dan. Can't forget old old dastardly >> Dan.
Dan.
>> Yeah, that's his nickname. Dune Dan and then Dowy old Dan >> or Dan or Mechanic Dan.
>> Yeah, I've been learning Chinese, guys.
I'm trying to trying to broaden my horizons again. That Panda Express sponsorship, you know.
>> We're ready for it.
>> Ready for you. So, >> born ready.
>> Born ready. Um, we do need to like figure out a way for Dodge to just give us cars, right? We just need it. I mean, think think about all the free marketing we've done for the sixack.
>> That's what I'm saying.
>> There has to be at least one person that bought their six-pack based off our experience in >> Hey, this hopefully will be one of our shorts. Shout out to Dodge, >> right?
We have the most content on the six-pack. We have the most horsepower in the six-pack. Select us for Roadkill Nights.
>> Give us Roadkill Nights. We'll make a wagon, >> whatever. Just include us. We have >> something >> a tremendous amount of experience. We support that at the end. Give it to us.
>> I'll put on a bikini then. No, I won't.
>> No, we won't. That was a joke. We will not do that. Uh but yeah, let's uh we'll see.
>> Yeah, >> give us a good enough pitch.
>> Give us a hurricane. We can put it in a fifth gen Camaro.
>> No, it' be cool. Really, really cool.
>> This would be so cool.
>> The whole point of what we're asking, >> you take all of it out. Well, what would you put it in then?
>> I'll put it in my Mustang.
>> You want to break the internet?
>> An S650, the hurricane. That would Yeah.
>> Okay. I'm kind of picking it up.
>> All right.
>> I Okay, first horrible question that no one cared about, but now I'm on this traffic. I need to know. If you were given a free hurricane, >> Yes.
>> and $100,000, what chassis are you putting that hurricane in?
>> Uh, >> seriously, there's no goals. You just have to put it in somewhere. You know, honestly, I if I So, right now, >> Fox body track.
>> No, I would really want to kind of give it something that's competitive. I'm not going to do the Fox body. I would love to put it in my Charger, >> like an old 392, you know, the one we set the record with.
>> Oh, just basically put it in there and show kind of the capabilities and the difference, you know what I mean? Um, I mean, that car weighs 3,700 lb, you know what I mean?
>> Yeah, that'd be really cool, too.
>> So, and that was, you know, that was with the the big V8 in it. Mhm.
>> So, you put the Hurricane, which is lighter, shaving even more weight. So, I'd probably be down around 3600 lb race weight. Um, and then with that, it'd be a standalone. So, I would be able to make 800, 900 plus, or even single turbo swap. I would love to push one to a,000.
So, >> I would do it in your 280Z.
>> Remember that thing? Dude, you remember that thing?
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, God.
>> I was so thirsty for it and then I sold it for you and I was mad and bought it.
We, a lot of people don't know, but we went through a phase where um, you know, before Hellcat swaps were a thing, we I bought a 280Z and >> it was a two plus two, right?
>> Two plus two.
>> Yeah. So, it had like a horrible roof.
>> Oh, it was it was it was not pretty. It wasn't bad, you know.
>> Dude, it was collapsed.
>> It only had a couple holes. Uh, we almost got it running, but what I did for the guys is it was Fridays at four o'clock. We would stop wrenching it and then work everybody work on this car and attempt to get it started. And then we were going to Hellcat swap. I had a motor sitting on the side. Uh we didn't get very far because the more we dove into it, we realized it really wasn't that good of an idea.
>> So um but yeah, that would have been fun. That would be a full one. That would definitely be a six.
>> Um Jeff's honest C6 roller Corvette.
That would be Yeah, I wouldn't do heavy.
I would want to do something on the lighter side, but I'm a sucker for a four-door. And you know my charger, my previous 392 charger was set up for it with the weight out of it. So >> IS-300 >> IS-300 sport wagon.
>> It's already a 2JZ, you know.
>> It's not.
>> You got a 2J wagon? No, it has a Dodge.
>> It's your like for like swap. You need to do something different, you know, and show the capability. So um >> yeah, I I know, man.
I want something, you know, I don't want to go like full race car, >> right? You still want to be somewhat streetable. Still be pretty quick, >> you know. I I I think it' be cool to be in like a lighter chassis like what they did. Everybody complains how heavy the new six pack is. Yeah. It's like, okay, let's see like a previous model with that in there and then see would be kind of cool. Um I mean, yeah, do the Fox body, the two, you know what I mean? The 240 SX. Oh yeah, that would be pretty.
>> That' be another one for a drift car, but I would like to keep it more of like what an actual car would be. Something more competitive with the M3, you know, since that's kind of the big holy grail now for those new M6s. So, I think trying to get something equal to the, you know, mid to high 3000s in weight >> and still have decent amenities to it.
Look at those street cars.
>> Demon Slayer has a very good point. The Crossfire >> too small, too. I want to be able to take my girls in it and go for a ride.
Booger McFarton. Classic. Classic Booger McFarton.
>> That's a good one.
>> With the drop of hurricane and a fresh ass tape.
>> That would be cool, too.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I'm a I'm a you know, I like to build something I can take my my girls for a ride in it. So, that's why I'm a sucker for the four-doors. You know what I mean? So, >> that's one of the reasons I got them because I could never have someone tell me that my car is impractical for a family. I have to sell it. It's a station wagon. What do you mean?
>> Yeah.
>> I never have to get rid of it.
>> Jeff, that's the next one. You should do I >> try slop an old Trailblazer SS.
Absolutely. But you have to do the interior, too.
>> The interiors are horrible. Except if it's a Saab 97.
>> Well, that Yeah, that's one way to do it, right?
>> Yeah, just SAB 97. Swap the interior.
That could be a good daily. No, it wouldn't.
>> Yes, it would. No, it wouldn't. Anyway, you know what people actually care about? Hurricane swapping a Chevy Cavalere.
>> That would be like the final bars of the trailer park.
>> Oh my god. Is the hurricane swat a Cavalere?
>> I've never seen a nice condition one.
>> What?
>> A Cavaliere.
>> Oh, I did growing up. Well, yeah. I mean, there are car they were all over.
Honestly, funny story.
>> So, I would say I was pre-teen at the time >> and there were some remember the guy's name, but you know, highend Fortnite was very popular back in the day. uh you know back early days of Fast and Furious with the two Gen two uh Eclipses >> uh you know stuff like that there was somebody local that had this it was pretty well done Cavalier like you know is a me for speed underground style setup so body kit wing sound system spoiler stuff >> uh that was one that got me into sound systems back in the day so little known fact the Cavalere spark sound system game for me back in the day like a period correct build like I want like everything like actual neons and [ __ ] >> That would be kind of funny.
I was 16 again.
>> You wear like a sideways hat. You're like, "No, never did." Never.
>> No, that was my brother.
>> Yeah, I can see that.
>> Mine is always forward. The only reason I go at an angle is the shape of my head.
>> Oh, >> it's the bill in the back. It's the shape of my head. So, >> the bill in the back as they're calling it.
>> So, God, I hated my Trailblazer SS says crew.
>> I almost had one. I almost had I bought a WK1 Jeep with my first one instead.
>> Could you like imagine how different like the trajectory of stuff would have been?
>> It went crazy.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I I wanted, you know, I was a GM guy, so I'm like, "Oh, well, so cool.
SUV with a Corvette engine. Coolest thing ever. Test drove a ton of them."
I'm like, "This sucks." Like it literally was a trailblazer. They just kind of lowered and that was it.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, and then you get into WK1 at the time and it was like, wow, they've really designed the whole vehicle over the performance side. Interior was better. It drove better.
>> Yeah. And that's what >> they did they did a center exit exhaust.
You couldn't >> Well, that too. I mean, you know, >> it was I remember like when they came out being a young buck myself, a wee what seveny old maybe and thinking it was the coolest [ __ ] and like begging my dad cuz we had a bravado.
>> Oh, one >> I don't know.
>> 2006. I was young. I was young. I was young. But we had a boat. We had to, you know, have something to pull it. And my dad said, "There's exhaust in the middle. You can't put a hitch there, son." And I said, "Well, >> you can."
>> I know.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, no. The Nag One. Someone think of the Nag One.
>> You can get one for like 20 bucks on eBay.
>> Yeah. Right.
>> See, they're so cheap now. It's scary.
>> Well, no, because I was trying to sell mine and I looked up on marketplace. I was like, you know, I can get like maybe 500 bucks low. They're going for like 200 bucks.
>> They don't make parts for >> Yeah. Speaking of, if anyone has a Challenger, Charger, 300, or Magnum with a blown transmission and you want to sell it for cheap, let me know.
Need a third car.
>> Yeah, I do. Because the Magnum and the 300 can't be driven in the winter and they're too nice.
>> Can or don't want to.
>> Can't They can't be.
>> They can't be. I'm going to put I'm gonna put them on slicks.
>> I refuse to. Yeah.
>> What about I should just piss you off.
>> Anyways, >> let's get into it. I think >> well, so one thing I want to talk about, I'm sure you showed him was Chris Mitchell.
>> Yes. Right. So, updates on that for those that have followed along. Um, all motor Rex is the car we're building now to take our stock bottom end record back. So, it's going to be naturally aspirated. Um, so with our Lucifer cam specs, uh, we put a set of ported 57 heads on it with enlarge valves. Um, Don Ryan, shout out to you, man. Again, awesome on the flow charts there. So, basically, these 57 heads flow the same as what our our shop car had with ported Apache heads, >> but we have large valves in there. So, we have to measure piston to valve tolerance. So, we whipped out our Play-Doh, got our head studs put on, and we went to work on it. So, we initially had um a tolerance that we barely could measure with a micrometer. I mean, on the side, exhaust side, we had a ton of room there. So, we, you know, coming up with ideas. We were attempting to do it with 027 head gaskets, um, thickness wise. So, very thin head gasket. We were trying for all the compression.
>> This is weird. So, what >> we don't have dino runs in the back later.
>> All right, I'm going to pause there because there's about to be a really high horsepower Mustang do a dino pull.
>> It's probably going to be like a 20 second pull.
>> So, it's about 20 seconds and they might hit 400 horsepower on the So, >> yeah, >> looks like he's gearing up for it. I know what that was to shift into gear.
>> I know it's one of those. Here it goes.
Oh, take me out.
>> Oh my god.
>> I had so much fun making fun of Dan while you were gone with the Ford stuff.
>> Oh, look at all these new cars.
>> I'm still afraid to watch it.
>> Don't really watch.
>> I said the word.
>> No, >> man.
>> We are going to wait a second.
>> All right, it's uh >> Here it comes.
And you take this out again.
>> Yeah. All right, guys. For background.
For background. It's >> Can you guys hear it?
>> It's a Mustang of sorts. It's a It's a New Edge 32 valve, of course, with a blower on it.
>> With a blower on it.
>> Can you guys hear Can you hear the Mustang on the dyno in the background?
If not, I'll keep going about what I was saying. Any feedback?
We love you. Sometimes sometimes when I'm home late at night, I think about all all my >> Okay. Thank you.
>> all my loyal live stream viewers and it fills my heart with joy that you guys come in every single Friday to watch us.
Yeah.
>> We can hear you over it.
>> Okay.
>> Well, that's good.
>> He just keeps doing this and I'm so scared that you're not able to hear us.
But >> so we were testing.
We'll start here. All motor X. Mhm.
>> We are going for a stock bottomman record. We have our cam and our Lucifer cam and we have our flash has some big bounce. So we have to check this in the valve tolerance. Pulled out our Play-Doh framed it over and then >> maybe 400.
>> Maybe 400.
>> We'll find out.
>> All right. So we got our Play-Doh out.
Our first attempt at it. We We barely could have read it. It was so close on the inside. It didn't touch, but very close on the inside.
>> Pretty much a piece of paper.
>> Yeah. Fair. Uh, you know, the Play-Doh you could hold up to the light and see through it, but it didn't touch. Now, we wanted to get a 30 35 thou tolerance on it. Um, just to allow for heat expansion, you know, potential valve flow, whatever the case may be. Um, you know, any we just wanted a little margin there. So, we [ __ ] uh, the crank.
So, we got a sprocket, a Smith Innovations adjustable crank sprocket to advance [ __ ] the the timing. Uh, so we [ __ ] the timing two degrees. Uh, went back at it. We had 027 thou with uh the 27 thou head gaskets on there. So, 027 head gaskets. So, it's kind of right at the edge of what we were comfortable with again. So, you know, talking it over with all that are involved with this build, um, we decided that we're going to go with an 032 thickness head gasket. So that should give us over the 030 thou um tolerance on the piston to valve side. We didn't want to [ __ ] the timing anymore because uh we think the exhaust side would have gotten too close then. So a little bit of compromise. So our math on it. We're going to lose about 0.25 give or take uh points of compression. So a quarter point of compression which isn't horrible. uh math is showing us we should be just around 12.7 to one on the compression with uh the headband that we're going with. So I think that's pretty good still. My initial goal for this was to have a 12 and a half one compression uh head on it that would flow equal to our 392 head before which we have a head that flows in. We're going to be at hopefully about a 12.
>> Now with the high compression we're at this is going to be a strictly E85 setup. Correct. There's no way to make it 93 friendly. I I personally wouldn't, you know, driving around throttle.
>> Yeah. You know, you probably get away with that.
>> Yeah. But no one builds a car with part throttle, >> right? You know, but you know, any type of abuse and and you know, an episode of detonation and at that point with that type of compression, it's too risky, especially with the the pistons.
>> Still being stock bottom end, you still have that really small ring.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's it's a stock bottom end, meaning the pistons, rods, everything below are untouched. Um we're just swapping the heads out with our Lucifer cam on it. And we are going to start our testing with a stock intake manifold and stock throttle body. Y >> uh which may seem crazy, but I think everybody's going to be surprised. So, obviously, retarding the the uh crank timing like we did, it's going to move the power band just a little bit. Uh but I don't again, it's not going to take it too high up where it's going to really change much. Uh we're still going to shift around the same 66 6,800 RPM range. So 032 seems to be where we're going to fall and it will take us over at a minimum 12.
>> Yeah, it will. Uh yeah, it's going to be cool.
So we're excited. Those head gaskets are on order. Uh sad that we only had the 027 and the 040s in stock. So yeah, 032s are kind of a special gasket. So we're looking to see if any of our vendors have it in stock. Um but that's the next step. And then we should be able to bolt it on and get to to our D results. Yeah, to give an example, we're we're in the hotter months now. So, we do a couple cam cars this past week or so. You know, 85, 90, 95 degrees in the shop. Uh, you know, we were seeing right around 500 horsepower on pump gas to give an example. Chris is going to be on if we're testing our Satara Spice 85 gas.
We might do some C85 testing, which is noted to give an extra 3 to 4% increase um at the same fuel consumption. So, uh, that would be a little kickover for us.
Maybe a little nitro.
>> Who knows? That's up to Chris. So, uh, all motor Rex. So, yeah, that's kind of one of the things we're really excited that we're progressing on and finally got there. I'm telling you guys, this took us should it, you don't think it should, but reaching out to a handful of places. It took us probably a year and a half to get these heads and find someone, Don Grimes, to do what we were looking for. So, it's not as easy as you guys would think. We reach out easily to four or five different other um shops that do headboarding on the Gen 3 Hemi and nobody wanted to take the project on or if they did they told us they would and then kind of disappeared. So again for a third time shout out Don Grimes on those heads. We are very excited for it.
So um >> yeah we'll see how it goes. Uh hopefully we can get the head guests within a week or two and hopefully next time we do a live we have uh you know our new internet connection put up. I have everything sitting on the floor to do it.
>> Sure do.
>> But, uh, we just got to put up the, uh, the mount, everything like that. So, um, yeah. So, that's that. So, I guess now we can get to the questions. I saw we had a few earlier on and keep them coming.
>> Open questions. Could you should use? I got a couple that people asked me this past week. So, let's get to it and see how we can help people. So, some Did you mention somebody with the 180 thermostat?
>> Yeah. So, we were talking about on uh Kale's car because he's boosted going high horsepower with the high boost.
>> We had a 180 for him. The question was asked why 180 for that and not for the NA cars.
>> Yeah. Did you did you answer full? Okay, perfect.
>> Probably. I don't know if it's an answer you would have liked, but >> yeah. So, I'll reiterate, you know, the the some of the previous conversations we had about thermostats, but stock engines, naturally aspirated, um and and you know, what are good modifications for those? Yeah. So, like we said on our shop car, 392 shop car, it has a stock thermostat in it, which that motor went into Austin Jur's Challenger now, and he still has a stock thermostat in it. And he was here a couple days ago on the dyno for pump gas, and we were dynoing it, and literally every pull it was making a little bit more power as long as we kept the intake under control. So, um, on a car that's going to make 850, 900, 950 wheel horsepower plus, especially boosted with the PD blower, starts to change a little bit. So, we do put a 180 thermostat in. We still let it get up in temperature a little bit with the fan settings. Um, we just give it the ability to to cool down and and maintain the temperature we're looking for. So, high fan settings on those cars can turn on at 212 to 220 degrees. So, we do lower it a little bit because just by dropping it a little bit, oil still gets to the temperature we want. It just helps to maintain that level we're looking for. So the cylinder pressure and temperature and the combustion is much hotter on an engine like that that's making 900 horsepower compared to 500 naturally aspirated. So uh that's why it may be a little different for a boosted application.
>> Good question as always.
>> Good answer me. Thanks. Uh Jeff Robinson says NA means nitrous assisted.
>> Sure. I mean it's not Jeff was just making fun of for all motor racks.
>> Oh yeah, Jeff shared a picture from six years ago. It's one of the first times he went to the track with his setup >> and that was on the uh the old Hellraiser transmission I think it was at the time.
>> What a treat.
>> Yeah, >> that was the that was the setup that was featured on 1320, right? Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
>> Uh I don't know if that was the there's the seven the engine bay 7. I don't think he had the transmission at the time, >> right? I don't remember if that was was this was this was the time he went to the track and it was leaking. He had a brake line that was leaking at the track. So, we had to go find a place locally to make a brake line.
>> So, all those fun times. Track.
>> Don't you miss it, Jeff. We should hang out.
>> I think the only like good experience Jeff had at the track when we were present. No, was uh over at uh with um Mushions track day in Indiana when we went. I think that was >> really >> Oh, no.
Yeah. Yeah. That was that was actually what I was thinking to be the worst day.
>> Yeah. No, every time he goes to the track, >> Jeff, here's the problem. The tracks you're going to are straight. Okay.
>> You got to take it.
>> You got to turn.
>> Um, let's see what else we got. Uh is a goat says on the record setting stock bottom end car what was the benefit of running twin vented oil cans plus billet bail covers and when do you recommend them?
>> So uh I know all motors wrote in the comment if you guys didn't see it. So one big thing is uh you know crankcase pressures and crank case ventilation. So OEM setups on these NA cars is very lackluster. There is not a lot of it.
So, when we're, you know, increasing the shift points by four or 500 RPM, we're adding 100 horsepower plus, um, you know, we we want to make sure we evacuate those crankase pressures. And the reason why we did a dual vented setup is because we don't want to ingest oil vapors into our intake system and combustion chamber because that can lower the air fuel mixture um, octane level. So, it can lead to more detonation. Plus, oil on the intake, on your spark plugs, your O2 sensors, your exhaust, it can cake things uh in carbon buildup, and we don't want that.
>> So, um on our shop car, we actually did testing with a vacuum pump uh versus our vented catch can setup, and uh there was no difference in horsepower, meaning that our vented catch can setup evacuated enough crankase pressure uh for what we needed. So, there was no need for a vacuum pump. So, I didn't want the weight. There was no benefit.
it was loud and wire it in place. So that is why and the reason for the cat valve covers is because the factory OEM valve covers do not have any ports or anything for crankcase ventilation. So that's one of the perks of the valve covers that are over my shoulder are that I probably move my head the wrong way but anyways yep I did my head right so go this way valve covers is there's a dual port set up on there so you can get as much evacuation out of it as you need. So, we started with just dual ports, uh, one on each bank, and it was more than enough. Uh, same thing on all motor racks. He actually was having some crank case, um, issues where it was causing rear main seal leaks, oil pane gasket leaks, valve cover leaks, front uh, crank seal leaks, and that just comes from abuse and, you know, wear and tear over time. So, uh, you know, crankase pressure is not a sign necessarily of a bad engine. just part of an engine and it's there in factory form. So, we just want to make sure we don't have pressure inside the crank case that's fighting against our pistons um you know and during combustion and that's the whole reason for it. So, it is one of those for crankase if you're venting in that banner more is better than not enough. So, there's no harm in having too much ventilation. You know what I mean? So, that's why the catch cans the way they were designed uh have dual ports on it. So, our, you know, valve covers have dual ports and our vented catch cans have dual ports. So, you can run um up to two -10 lines from each valve cover to a single catch can if you need. Um, my personal charger that, you know, made 14,500 horsepower, the twin turbo green one we had. I only had a dual catch can set up with the single-10 feed from each valve cover on each bag.
And that was more than enough. It uh, you know, we only really raced it at like 1,200, 1300 give or take. So, it was more than enough. I had no crankase issues to the point where my catch cans barely filled up except for cold starts where I had condensation, but very little oil in there. Um, so bigger, larger, more is better than not enough when it comes to crank case violations.
So, >> wake up.
>> Good question though. Good question.
>> Uh, DCTA 2010 says, "Question. When dial numbers are 548 at the wheels, what is the horsepower? That would depend on type of vehicle. Lots of things. Lots of things because it depends on drivetrain loss, all that. Also, wheel tire, you know what I mean? A slick is going to look a little bit different. Horsepower numbers than, you know, a standard passenger tire.
>> Yeah. So, you know, it's it's one of those, like he said, he nailed it on the on the head. Basically, there's too many variables for me to give you an answer unless you can fill those in. So, if you can, but you know, year making, model, what type of dyno was it? The brand, was it a hub dyno, a true chassis dyno? What wheel tire setup was on it?
>> Uh, generally, if it's a car, you're going to see about a 15% drivetrain loss, at least for our dyno. So, I'm going to speak from our dyno experience.
Uh, the SUVs uh are around 18% and then like the big RH TRX setups with big mutters, pre sidewalls is closer to 20%.
>> Um, also the tire you have on, we've done testing for it. If you have a decent sidewall on your tire and during the dyno bowl, if you watch, the tire will actually wrinkle on the dyno. So, as that starts to wrinkle more, your power number will actually drop on the big end. Uh, so that's why like on our dyno with TRXs, on RHO's, you'll see the power going up and then it flat lines because that tire's wrinkling and, you know, skewing the end result of the powered number. Now, we'll say on the low end at 540, 550 to the wheels, it's, you know, if it's an NA setup in in a car chassis, you're about 630 to the crank.
>> Not bad.
>> So, uh, but you know, if you have a SUV or a truck, >> I don't I don't know. Yes. But >> Okay.
>> I don't know if they can still see it or what. It's It is storming, fellas. It's raining real good. Uh, we're gonna get the satellite up in the air. Uh, Papa Musk is gonna beam down internet internet waves to us.
>> So, >> and it's gonna fix everything >> in our life.
>> Yeah. So, there we have, like I said, we have everything for Star, but just raining, so we can't put the the satellite up. So, hopefully this is the last live that we have for this connection issue. So, we're trying.
>> We're gonna be in 4K for y'all. Go out, buy a brand new OLED TV so you can see us in a full glory.
>> Yeah. So, >> but yeah, that's uh >> the way she goes. Give us those infos.
>> Yeah, give us the info I can give you more accurate. You know, uh kind of continuing on that hub dynos will read higher than a standard chassis dyno.
>> We've seen that before.
>> A lot. I mean, it's not a small number either. So, you know, of course, all of a sudden people are using more hub dynos and and all these combos are making more and more power than they used to, right?
>> I put my car on a different dyno and I made 200 more horsepower. You know what I mean? It's Well, if you're on a 15-in slick and then you go to a hub dyno.
Yes.
>> Right.
>> Yes.
>> So, it's, you know, a lot of variables in >> I mean, even heck, even as I was showing them the Dino Tune cars on ours, their dyno broke.
>> Well, you can take a car on our dyno, take it up to Dino Tunes dyno, different numbers.
>> No, they're going to be different.
>> That's what I'm saying. It's not going to be on the money.
>> They're closed, but it will change. And part of the reason on that too is, you know, their dyno is a 48 tall dyno. So their pit is 4 feet where ours is 24.
>> So >> that pit's so deep. I didn't realize until the cover off. I looked down.
>> It's actually I think like five feet because of the bracket and stuff. But it is a 48 inch tall dyno. Um and again pit's five feet. So it has more load to get initially started. Um and then on the top end it easier to spin because of the load. So but brands Dino Jet to Dino Jet. That's why they're also very close because their calibration. If I they're both dyno jets. So, our dyno here, I actually had a car in it that did both of them uh was a um was it the ESS? It was an ESS S550.
>> Basically made the same number on both dinos. We just wanted to kind of test it out. Within I think 2% and that could have been just weather difference.
>> Yeah. So, heat, whatever.
>> But again, hub dyno because you're missing the wheel tire weight is reduced and then you lose the drivetrain loss from the tire absorbing it. There's a lot of variables. So, um, but yeah, so what's the next question?
>> Yes, sir. Uh, let me see.
How do you think my 2010 Challenger would do against your Hurricane? Uh, the one that made 540.
>> So, it was a 2010 Challenger.
>> So, a 2010 Challenger.
>> That was a better question.
>> Okay.
20. So, 2010 Challenger Stitch Auto.
Yeah. That'd be about 630 at the crank.
My six-pack makes uh on its base setting now 610 wheel horsepower with 630 footpounds of torque. It's all-wheel drive. So >> you might get us top end, but we're getting you off the line.
>> Yeah. You know, if it's a 2010, you either have a NAG one or you have a six-speed manual.
>> Yeah.
>> So, you know, my guess is at five, you know, even if you have a NAG one being at 540 bill, you're still a uh, you know, a high 11 second car. maybe mid1 where our hurricane consistently does uh 1120 11:30 on the street now is what we're getting.
>> Um I did a funny I did a 35 0 to 60 while it was raining this morning. I just wanted to test it out instead of that 35 to 60 while raining. So >> each you know a little different uh you know mind I I I did that with the 85 pound dog in the back and a car seat next to him and you know I think a chair in the trunk fold up chair in the trunk like a couple chairs in the back. Yeah, I got a couple Barbies in there, too.
>> Maybe a French fry.
>> And it was on a 275.
>> Did you have custom floor mats for this run?
>> No, this one was just a standard floor.
>> Standard floor mats. Okay.
>> Yeah, it would be it'd be a fun race.
They're they're different. But sadly, the 2010s don't have very good gearing.
They don't have very good transmissions in them. So, although at 540, you know, having that mag on unless you have a ton of weight on it would be, you know, a big difference maker seeing as this has the eight speed with better gearing, too. So 8 speed, better gearing, all-wheel drive, and more power. So you do weigh less. It may be a fun race though. Definitely be a fun race.
>> What you're telling me is I have to gut my 300.
See what else we got. All the swaps could be did that. Hurricane swap Chevy Cavalier. Uh Izzy the goat, my main man.
He says, "What is the difference between a Lucifer can and a Texas fee stage 4 NA can?" That's a great question.
>> That's an outstanding question. So obviously the specs.
>> Yeah, the name.
>> So the name a couple vowels just mess with you, man. So the difference between um the Lucifer cam and the stage 4 cam.
I'm going to tell you this. So for those that don't know our cam lineup, we have the Wraith cam which is entry level. We have the service cam which is middle of the road. Um still kind of stock converter friendly but more in the aggressive side. And then the Lucifer cam is our max effort cam for any platform.
>> You got to have a >> So you don't have to.
>> You don't have to. It's recommended because in parking lot conditions, things like that, it it can be a little lopey. Um, you do get improved drivability with a a converter. It's ideal with like a 34 to 3600 stall converter. So, ideal, not needed. We still get them to work in stock converter form. Um, but just to give an example, our race cam is more aggressive than a stage four Texas speed cam. So, I will just tell you that much in regards to what you can expect from the output of our cam. So, um, it goes Texas stage one, two, three, four, race cam, service cam, lucifer cam. So, it's it's a it's definitely designed more for, you know, performance orientation over comfort.
Um, definitely a little higher RPM than the stage four cam. So, uh, but yeah, our brace cam is more aggressive than their stage.
>> Yeah. So, either way, any way you go, whichever cam you get from us, you're going to be in good hands. So, it's because we love you guys. We just got word that we're pretty confident we're waiting for the results that Remy towards AT.
>> Oh well, I mean that would make sense because >> always happens too. If you guys know haven't hit big dogs and tear the AC out my life, they tear one and they always tear the >> because they start favoring it so much that it just leads to it being torn. So >> yeah.
>> Yeah. just wants to be like me.
>> It's the same leg.
>> It is >> leg surgery coming up. All right.
>> Yep. Speaking of >> Yeah, >> we got room for can packages. Who want it?
>> Support us. Help pay bill by supporting our product.
>> We can call it the Remy kit.
>> Take We We take donations. You get a free can when you donate money and then we price >> and we'll put it in. Yeah. We We have different donation tiers.
>> Yeah. Exactly.
>> Wait, how would we do that so someone could write it off in their taxes? Maybe we should discuss this in the >> live, you know, as long as they do it legally, I don't care.
>> Yeah, you know, figure it out, guys.
Have like a business car or something, then just write off all the work that we do.
>> We're not trying to get tax. We're not professionals.
>> No, do not. Yes. Yes. Do not trust my tax advice. Uh Anna Diaz says, "My husband is getting a ProCharge Jeep SRT through you. I have a stage 2 X3M with downpipes in a tune. Wish will be quicker from a roll in dig. That's kind of a a challenging one to ask because I don't know what year the Jeep is. Also, stage two can mean anything.
>> Stage two.
Okay.
>> Stage two is usually intake and downpipe.
>> I thought it was intake downpipe.
>> Well, yeah.
You know what I mean?
>> I'm just trying to think.
>> So, that also depends on the field type.
it's like E60 or anything like that. Um, so I can say that this Jeep that we're going to build based on how the specs are, it's going to be a bottom 10 second truck possibly.
>> Um, so I I know the X3s aren't really running that. So, uh, >> hook yourself up to a draggy, see what you do. If you're not bottom 10, >> I know they're not bottom.
>> I know they're they're solid 10 runners with that. So, it' be a good race. The X3M has the weight advantage. So, from a roll, it has a better chance versus WK2, but from a ditch shift gearing and the amount of torque that it's going to make. It's going to pull out pretty good. So, it be a good race. But, uh, all things considered, uh, we should be building a a sub 1050 WK2 motor, procharger, fuel system, E5, the whole shebang. So, um, it's going to be, you know, might be one in one depending on how the type of race is. So, >> we will see, gang.
See what else we got. Oh. Oh.
>> Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Where'd it go?
>> Here it is.
So, the new head, etc. It's strictly E85, correct?
>> Yeah.
>> Sort of scarce around here. How about some RNR? R&D uh for 93 octane rest and relaxation for that 93.
>> That's all it's going to be doing because we're not running it.
>> So, but this goes back to what we said with this 57 program that we're doing where we are doing uh it's 12 12.7 to one compression.
>> So, this is this is the thing uh octane fill that you have is basically designed to battle detonation. So, when you're limited to 93, you have you know you have to be careful to not exceed that.
So as you raise compression, you're more prone to detonation. And the way to combat that is increasing your octane.
So if your octane stays and then you're you're going to increase your chances by increasing compression, your window is so fine. So it's not a matter of R&D on it. It's just a matter of decades and decades of, you know, experience with where the limiting factors are. And one of the big issues we have on the 392 platform is how thin the ringland is and how tight that top ring gap is. Which is why on boost they can be prone to pinching that ring. You can do that on NA applications with detonation because when something detonates, not only is it extremely violent, but it does create an immense amount of heat at the same time.
So, the combination of that can destroy an engine very quickly, especially as you increase that, right? So, you know, we just had a um 300 on the dyno. It made 495 horsepower on pump gas with our our level four setup in 90 plus degree heat. Yeah.
>> Um so, you know, in cooler air, it's going to make over 500 window horsepower, but I would not safely say that you can really kind of increase compression. Maybe maybe it can get up to like 11 and a half to one. Um, but to give you an example, the the uh, you know, the original Gen 2 Coyotes, you know, they bump compression up because they had dual overhead cam so they can play with the cam timing. But the only reason like the LT1, GM, LT2, the Gen 3, Gen 4 Coyotes have such high compression is because they have direct injection.
So cool things out.
>> So >> because it directly sprays on top of the piston, it cools it down. It keeps everything happier.
>> Yeah. port injection, we don't have that benefit.
>> So, you know, one thing you could do is probably spray a little water meth injection. Yeah.
>> You know, that's another alternate fuel that increases octane and it burns cooler. So, uh that is definitely something that you can do. Um but it's it's a lot more tricky and a lot more risky.
>> Oh, you got to go hit the thumb and then >> No, it's okay.
>> Don't worry.
>> So, yeah. Um, >> is there a cost on these heads yet or is that kind of still up in the air of what the final cost is going to be?
>> Yeah. Uh, so I have a rough ballpark.
I'm going to say, you know, depending if you have your own core heads to send in, um, I would say budget around the $4,000 price range. I don't have an exact time, but I do know it's in that area. Yeah.
Um, so that will, you know, again, depending if you have a core to send in or not, but a lot of machine work, upgraded valves, upgraded springs.
You're going to need, you know, plan for the push rods as well.
>> Don't plan on it being like a two-day process. The man has to take his time on these puppies because he knows what he's doing.
>> Give him that time that he needs.
>> Don't expect it, oh, I got to race next week and I need them now. Now, now you're not getting them, brother.
>> Yeah. So we are we are really trying to put in uh you know we want to try to make this a solution for people and say that it's going to be repeatable. Uh Don is amazing at what he does. Uh he has an individual that does it himself via handing one guy.
>> It's not CNC. He does a lot of measuring flow testing as he does the ports and equalizing it and everything. So >> he puts this into it.
>> Yeah. So um I do have an alternate solution for if we do a complete long block as mentioned before. So under well under 15 grand I can get a complete long block 426 stroked that is 13 to1 compression. So that's one of those that like really serious about it. I would strongly kind of recommend like I get it. It's you know definitely more than just the head. But all things considered um I think it's a a good option if the NA journey is really what you want to do long term. you know, uh, just because it's so precise, so calculated what we have to do to get and really kind of push this. We're doing it because not many other people do. We like to get test results and things like that. So, I will be able to do this for other people. It's just not going to be kind of an overnight build. So, keep that in mind.
>> Um, but that's probably not what I think the cost is going to run around. And do you expect a several month wait from the time you pay for it?
>> It is worth it though. Good things come to those who wait. Yeah, absolutely. So, >> let's see what else we've got. Uh, Booger McFaren says, "Do you guys stock underdrive balancers for the 392? Been debating on having you add one of the cars up there."
>> We, uh, if we don't have, we usually have one or two. If we run out, we can usually get them within a day or two.
So, that's not a problem either way. So, uh, definitely an option. And we are noticing more and more people doing that.
>> Look at all our NA boys in here all talking and being fun. It's so cute.
It's like when you watch an Eric Vin farm and they're all like playing together.
>> Yeah.
>> Never really seen ants play with each other. So, >> no.
>> No. No. I'm just saying.
>> I had a rock and robot.
>> Uh, let's see what Ellis has. Um, they're just talking. It's so cute. He's the ghost. I'm planning on picking up my car this Saturday. Currently has Canon colder intake. Cooks long tube headers.
Cooks cast pipes ATI 50% car made 6 563.
You just got to get you that Lucifer in there, my man.
>> 463.
>> 463. I can't speak. I can't read. But we need to get you get you a Lucifer in that thing. Get you a nice torque converter. Yeah. Put her on E.
That's what she needs, man. You're you're going to be at that 500 real quick to a quick light. So, she's already making really good numbers for where she's at. So, give her that next little push and you're set.
>> Yeah. Loose River cam, like you say, with a proper setup is is another 30 40 horsepower, which pump gas aligns you right with what we would expect out of it. And then you throw the corn at it and there's the additional. So, yeah, >> you're you're right there. You're you're in line with what what we expect and see all the time with with that combination.
So, >> she's only getting better.
>> See, >> manual transmission.
>> I would recommend the colder.
>> He was on a hard dyno.
>> Yeah, >> manual trans Challenger dyno. Yeah, I would recommend to um change the >> intake.
>> Yeah, >> it might hold you back.
>> The the JLT's >> JLT version three.
>> Yeah, it's a big one.
>> It's a big mother. It flows great. It it it's an open element one, but it has a great seal to most of it. So, if you're doing aftermarket, that would be the one I recommend.
>> You can also take out your headlight.
>> Yeah. For great. So, strongly recommend that one.
>> Yeah. 2010. Yeah. high dyno. Then yeah, your hot 630 630 out of a manual with at that are absolutely >> See what else we got. Uh A10 like the Warthogs like an airplane.
>> They kind of do.
>> Says, "I have a 2013 Charger 57. I installed a 90 95 mil throttle body and ported uh with a ported manifold, I'm guessing. Um, but the throttle position sensor was at 4% at idle for a while. Recently, it dropped to 2%. Is that normal?
>> So, uh, idle settings, it uses your, um, TPS and timing to achieve the desired RPM.
>> So, I don't take it the wrong way.
You're kind of looking at something very minimal because it, you know, is is going to adjust accordingly based on temperatures and and try to find whatever makes it the smoothest. So, it has idle, torque, spark, and throttle settings to allow it to use both of them to adjust where they want to go. Um, and uh the obvious objective is to try to keep positive timing. So, it wants to use less throttle body um compared to timing. So, it's going to increase timing and reduce the throttle to achieve what you want it to to do at idle. Um, now on the flip side of it, not to be the bearer of bad news, but that modification is beyond useless for your setup. Unless you're like a crazy built bottom end, you know, >> high, you know, high RAM, super aggressive cam and and massively ported heads like we were talking about, >> you might have just killed your air velocity.
>> Yeah. Well, that pending with the throttle behind it. If the manifold bumps, then the thrott body really is a very minor, no restriction at all. So, right, >> um, you know, it's, you know, one of those kind of keep in mind the whole combination matters. So, um, Just be careful with that that you know depending on what you're looking for all things considered it might not be a beneficial modification right now. Um >> oh god [ __ ] Slade says tuning in get it tuning you tune from Brooklyn New York great show guys.
How is Brooklyn? What goes on there?
They have a bridge I heard. Oh, you're so special.
>> Yeah.
>> Is the goat says loose for cam for the win then, bro. You need that cam in your life. I'm telling you. I'm telling you.
First fire up of that Cam V8, it changes your life. You become a new man. So, whenever you're ready, we're here for you, man. Just let us know. I mean, obviously, she just got finished up now.
Enjoy it for a bit, but when you're ready, it'll get you that power you're after.
See what else we got. Uh, what are the benefits? U McFart said, "My chocolate lab had that ACL surgery four years ago and it was 4K, but it was worth it."
>> Yeah.
>> Your family, man.
>> Yeah. I had a English bulldog and I spent a total of 20 grand worth of surgeries on her.
>> So, uh yeah, I had a uh Bernie Mountain dog that tore both ACL's. Um yeah, so I I've been through it several times. So, yeah, I worth it. Absolutely. They're like they're just >> You got it.
>> Doesn't matter if it's my kid or my dog.
I'm gonna pick my dog first. So, totally kidding. It was a joke.
>> Doesn't matter.
>> Pretty close to a but yeah, we're going to take care of Remy.
>> Um, okay. So, they said they struggled to get the X-ray, so they gave him meds and rest.
>> So, now it's too stiff and having not having an X-ray here. They have to get the dog super faded so he doesn't freak out so they can x-ray him. So he off like 60 perks.
Shout out prime Aaron Rogers playing off all those perks. That was a great childhood growing up watching that where I had a you know >> a legacy quarterback taking my team to a Super Bowl as a young child getting >> No, I'M NOT. NO, I'M NOT. ANYWAY, GOD, you're getting under my skin. Is the goat says, "What are the benefits of a trans tune? Will it open or allow more horsepower?"
So, the transmission tune from the factory obviously is set up for factory power longevity and everything like that. So, as we change power output, especially by a cam, we shift where the power band happens. So, you know, generally, obviously, we want to stretch out the shift a little bit to maximize the power curve. And we also can reduce the shift times and make a little more aggressive because comfort is one of the things that transmission tunes from the factory are designed for. So, we can get a little more aggressive. Now, aggressive transshifting when done right does not necessarily shorten the life of it. No, >> it's just they go to the side of comfort over that aggressive feel just to reduce complaints of people having a trans tune that's a little stiffer.
>> So the combination of reducing shift times, increasing line pressures, um working on the um you know clutch adjustments and the shift schedule allow to optimize the power band and curve completely. So especially with the cam Sorry, I'm updates for my dog, but that answers that question about the trans.
>> How is the cold air intake development for the six-pack coming? Where are we at on that?
>> Yeah. So, we we 3D print these intakes.
I have one on my car. Um the issue we've been having is being able to get a consistent print out of it because it is massive.
>> Yes.
>> So, >> how long does it take? What was it? 30 hours CJ >> for the six pack. The box was 30 hours last time, wasn't it? 27 >> a lot.
>> Yeah. So, it's a we're in the the 27 to 30 hour range and due to the pure size of it, we are running into a an inconsistent print issue as the print goes on. So, it's that that's the tricky part. So before I offer it to the public and sell it, I want to make sure that we can consistently print and duplicate the same quality airbox time and time again.
So as an example, one on my car has imperfections on it because I'm testing it and I don't really care how it fully looks. But um I mean I can get one here.
>> Go get one.
>> Now that I'm here, it's just me. It's just you. Jeremy has the microphone so you guys might not be able to hear what I'm saying but it kind of looks like you can maybe a little bit but I love you guys and sometimes late at night I'm just kidding weird just standing talking I'm over in the background and everything >> you just hear rattling >> rattling and crashing nobody died so that's good so these are examples of us trying to print um and we'll see if you can see it >> the feeling when this happens 22 hours into the 27 hour print.
>> So, it's things like this that we're seeing with see quality of camera. There we go. You can see the quality of it. Um, that type of stuff is is kind of what we're running into. So, um, you can see the boxes beautiful. The print quality is awesome, but it's there's certain areas where it's having a a consistency problem. And, uh, the issue we also have is how big of a printer we need to make this happen.
>> Yeah. um, you know, very expensive printer, but sadly one of the things when printing with ABS is you really want to regulate the temperature. So, we are working to try to do that because there's not really many printers out there that are big enough.
>> Yeah. So, I think part of that is temperature based um because it's kind of one of those we leave for the night, temperatures go down, come back, leave for the night and temperatures go down.
So, we're working on trying to to get it consistent so that way I can guarantee a product. So, um I mean it's almost there. I mean it's it's right there. Uh the tube is easy. The tube I can print time and time again. The problem is I can tell you driving with just the tube and not having the box um greatly increases heat soak and the IT that you will see um you know by the box that have made a drastic and huge difference. So, >> did you just break it?
>> No, it was already broken.
>> So, CJ norally crushes them, but I told him to keep them just in case, you know, just a couple of them. So, >> that's where we're at on it. Trust me, we are trying, but like Jul said, we we start the print on one and it takes 22 hours to find a failure and then we have to reset, start over, and go again.
Plus, because of how big it is, um it takes a lot of plastic, too. So, we've gone through a ton of rolls trying to reproduce and and get it consistent. So, until I can do that, I I'm not going to sell it. Um, you know, yeah, I know people are, you know, asking. Trust me, we are trying. It's just it literally takes 12 over 24 hours in an attempt to make one. So, we only get a hand.
>> Yeah. We only get a handful a week in an attempt to try it. So, um, you know, if we're lucky, we can catch it early. But, you can see this is where the base happens. So the problem doesn't happen until later on in the print. So we we lose a ton of time. Um when it comes to a failure, one of the downsides of 3D printing is if anything happens at any point, you start over. There's no way to salvage it.
>> Yeah, >> kind of a bummer.
>> Yeah, kind of a bummer. So uh we are trying, you know, it's one of those that, you know, maybe soon I'll just make it out of it. Who knows?
>> But uh 3D uh metal 3D printer, >> let's just make out of fiberglass. Use those molds. Yeah, if I had the time and stuff to just have people sit there >> fiberglass, I can do it on the weekends.
>> I do.
>> But what am I gonna do with my boat?
>> So, but yeah, that's where we're at. We are still trying. Um, and like I said, until I can print two of them back to back and make sure I can do it again, it's going to be on hold for the time being.
>> Here's a topical one that follows up any development on 18inch wheels for a six-pack. Do 17s clear?
>> So, we threw a set of 17s on it.
Finally, we got them in our hands. Uh, it did not clear the factory brakes. So, um, it is pretty close and for me, I wouldn't mind, but I probably could have shaved down the caliber in a couple spots and got the wheel to fit. Um, but for, you know, majority of the people that have this vehicle and the consumers, um, I don't think that's going to be kind of the direction to go in. So, we have, um, I I'm working to pick and choose the set of 18s that I want to attempt to throw on it. Um, 18s will clear no problem. I can tell you that front and rear. So, good news for us. Now, I just have to choose. And I wanted to verify before I ordered seven wheels to see if I could have done 187 >> 77.
>> So, um 76, bro.
>> 77.
>> 77 because if you reverse the numbers in 76, it becomes the funny one. So, you got to go 77.
>> So, good news is I'm pretty confident saying that I have a set of wheels that will fit in 18 with radios all around.
So, I'm going to be doing a probably an 18 four 18 is a four corner with 270 five wide heels on it. So, I should lose probably 100 pounds give or take of rotating mass.
>> Dude, imagine the launch we're getting off this side of the gun.
>> I think it's probably going to be my ticket to a 10sec quarter mile. Crazy.
>> So, my my six-pack is still running the same times for people in 80 90 degree weather that I was running when it was 40 50 degrees. Um, like I said, then because of the factory uh boost control settings and what it's targeting for torque, all that happened now in the heat is it's targeting more boost from the factory. So, I'm actually running a lower max setting because the factory is requesting more boost to achieve the same desired torque. So, now I've just been able to turn my boost setting down and produce the same same type of results. So, doesn't matter if it's 30° or 90°. I'm producing the same 0 to 60s and the same ETS in the quarter. Um, it just requires a little bit of adjustability on the blue settings.
>> This is a beautiful bracket car.
>> It is. Oh, absolutely.
>> Yeah.
>> Absolutely.
>> We got to give it We got to give it to Bill.
>> Absolutely.
>> Stop taking the stinger and just do some brackets with this thing.
>> Great car.
>> Yeah.
>> And it's usable. It's so usable. I love that car, guys.
>> Pretty much anytime I have to go anywhere, my car happens to be blocked in. And so I have to take the sixack >> always.
>> I I very rarely drive my own car >> anymore. I drive that thing.
>> Yeah, I saw that. You're almost at 2,000. Dude, that's crazy. If you guys like know how low miles Jeremy's cars are when they're sold. This thing has been around the block.
>> I mean, you've sold one at 39 miles before.
>> 37.
>> 37.
>> 37 miles.
>> I got it for I got it that one. My my second red eye, my Charger red eye. I got it in January. Put a wrap on it. All the miles I had was me driving from the dealer to my shop. My brother put a wrap on it and then my TRX showed up. So then I drove it back to the dealer. So the miles literally I didn't bring it home.
>> Yeah. No, you didn't.
>> Home. It was in my shop and I drove it there was salt and everything. So I left it in the shop.
>> Um that was the lowest mile. But it's the downside to R&D on cars. I mean, you know, a lot of people look at like, oh, it's fun. I understand. I got into this because I like modding cars and enjoying them that, you know, so it's pretty I really do enjoy this car. I know I say it a lot. People will hate on it.
>> We're not paid to do this. We didn't get some crazy discount from Dodge to get this car. Jeremy actually had to buy this car.
>> I bought two of them.
>> You bought two of them plus all the wagon and the car shows. But >> I really do enjoy the car. So >> yeah, I just think >> I'm not trying to sell you guys on it.
I'm not trying to get you. This is my opinion. I really do enjoy the car. Uh >> it's amazing. It does everything you need it to be. I mean, when I when I was going um to the drive shaft's place with it, I hit up that roundabout again >> and I was like, "Well, let's just, you know, cuz I was in the passenger seat before. Now I'm in the driver's seat."
Dude, it handles so good >> from Big B.
>> It's stupid how good this thing is to drive.
>> Honest to God, >> go drive.
>> It's not perfect. It's not. I like And that's part of what like irks me on it is like I know as soon as I can adjust the transmission, I can make it even better. Um, you know, and it is kind of, you know, interesting that, you know, >> there's some little quirks that >> Yeah, it's not No car's perfect.
Everyone is a little different, but >> drag wheel getting removed if you take it to the dealer.
>> Yeah. Did you see the the taser go?
>> No.
>> So, they got one got one. Yeah. And they they're not ready for sale yet, but they were able to unlock drag motor and track mode again. So, they actually were they showed a video they were able to set it up where if they push and hold the up arrow on the steering wheel, it would go to drag mode. So there's no combination where you push and hold the down mode and it goes to track.
>> Okay.
>> And also they have I think it was like remember mode. So when you turn it off, turn it back on, it remembers what mode you were in. Uh auto start stop. It has that. Um so some new very cool things, you know, for for conveniences and those that lost drag and track mode. When the automotive finalizes this, you will be able to get it back >> because it does make a huge difference in the shifting mode. That's That's what I had I had hoped for the trans to shift like when they first came out. That's why I anticipated it.
>> And that auto mode just lets you down.
>> Yeah. So, and for those that haven't driven one too, the drag mode is pretty cool because like the track mode, it holds the gears like crazy.
>> So, you know, it's it's designed for road course, so it's going to really hold RPM high. And honestly, you know, these inline sixes don't sound the best when you're like maintaining 4,000 RPM with no boost. Um whereas the drag mode, it shifts almost like the auto mode, but it's ready to go at any moment. So the shifts are more aggressive, more firm, more crisp, and the downshifts are ready. So I I talk about it as I'm driving. So I come into the roundabot, I'll shift track mode, hit the roundabout, do my turns, and then I shift back to drag mode and then it drops the gear and holds it. Uh for highway driving and stuff, but it's so ready for the downshifts. It's much more sensitive for the downshifts. Um but it's cool. So, for those I know we've talked about it before, in the near future, there is going to be the way to get Dragon Track back if you lost it with your update. Just keep an eye out for Z Automotive. Um, I don't know what they're going to call it, but you know, it's kind of like the taser what they've had for previous stock vehicles, but um it's cool to see more people getting into the aftermarket scene. Yeah. You know, I know 797 performance >> he's doing a whole bunch.
>> He threw the uh the 20inch welds on it.
You saw those which is cool. So, um, you know, that's it's it's one of those where, you know, it's nice to see we're not the only ones anymore. So, um, >> more and more to come.
>> Yeah, we will have 18s on it hopefully to be the first to 10 second quarter mile on it. Um, >> I just need >> Yeah, that's literally all we need and then we're golden. So, at some point in time, but anyway, back into it. Rocky the Lion says, "Whatever happened to that 300 in the shop was doing a similar build to the shop car?" It was that white one that we were talking about making the horsepower that made like 49.
>> Oh, is that the white one?
>> Yeah, they made 495 oil on pump gas.
>> So 93 93 pump gas 495 495 basically on the torque uh results. We said earlier on we have a ton of dino results that we haven't posted just from being so busy and me on vacation trying to play catchup. So yeah, I made 495 4.95 on a 90 plus degree day is what the dino cart said. So right where it's supposed to be. Um and then yeah, you know, once we get corn on it and turn it up or come back on a cooler day, you know, that that's going to make the same power that we made on ours.
>> Absolutely. Um I guess kind of on the NA NA world, uh can we talk about coated headers, not coating headers and wrapped headers?
>> Oh, so like cerak coating or ceramic coating headers.
>> Yeah, I would assume.
>> Yeah. So um you know one of the things of putting long tubes on that people say is it increases engine bay temps which is absolutely possible. Um so options are you can get you know ceramic coating on the headers or wrapping the headers.
So the the concept for both versions is to keep the heat inside the header. So the ceramic coating is nice uh because wrapping long tube headers is a pain in the butt.
>> Yeah. Oh my god. And if you've ever wrapped anything with those wraps, they are very uh you got to it's best to do it when it's wet, but you're supposed to make it taut. So, the only way on some of these long tube headers to do it is you have to wrap it around, you know, the the four runners combined. So, the problem with that is it's not truly keeping it within each runner >> and you have an air gap in between it now, >> right? And on top of it, it's going to slide down and and loosen up eventually.
So um the downside to the ceramic coating is that with several heat cycles over time metal does expand and contract um it is a coating. It doesn't embed like anodization does or you know in the same form as powder coating. So when it happens that coating can fall off over time. So >> you'll see it start flaking around where you know the flange matches >> matches the first runner because that's a huge difference in >> size.
So, for me, like when speaking like from a turbo standpoint, I prefer wrapping down pipes, up pipes, and things like that. Um, just because I do feel it can last a little bit longer in what it does protection wise.
>> It's also like easier to make sure you get a proper wrap because it's just one big pipe.
>> You know, the ceramic coating is is very good and it will help reduce temperatures. It doesn't last forever.
So, um, >> yeah, there's that one. Uh, scab hatch sink. I said the kpa will reveal a vacuum le correct question mark.
>> So kpa is a measurement of vacuum. Um, just like PSI, it's just another form of it. Uh, no. A a a, you know, a MAP sensor may not necessarily show you a vacuum leak. If you have a massive massive vacuum leak, um, where it can't produce vacuum, then yes, in a given situation, you might be able to see that. So, I had somebody that um uh accidentally broke their MAP sensor when they were bolting it into an aftermarket intake manifold and it created a gap.
And on the data log, I saw that the MAP sensor was basically showing that there was no vacuum at all. So, in an extreme condition where you're have such a big vacuum leak, it's going to, you know, not create vacuum. Yes. Um, but if it's a minor like hose that's not attached or an intake gasket leak, you don't always see it on the bath sensor.
>> More commonly, what you'll see from a vacuum leak is going to be what we call a false lean condition because that is air that's making it into the combustion chamber post throttle body. Um, so the throttle body regulates the air flow. So that will go in the combustion chamber.
And you know, with all things considered, at a given throttle position with a certain MAP sensor reading, you're expecting a certain amount of air flow. And that's how injectors will choose the fueling. Well, when that air that's now making in a combustion chamber um is there and it goes past the O2 sensors, it will show a lean condition. So, another common sign of a vacuum leak because of that, >> invested smoke machine.
>> Well, smoke machines are amazing. A pressurized smoke machine get the cheap ones that don't have pressure. They're almost useless. Make sure it's It has a air compressor built in or hooks up to shop air.
>> Yeah.
>> But because if you think about how an engine works, if there's extra air making it into the combustion chamber and then the O2 sensor start to add fuel because it sees the lean mixture, RPM will generally go up. So another symptom of a vacuum leak is high idle or a car struggling to get down to the idle that we're trying to achieve. And the way it will do that is really closing the throttle body and or going to negative timing. So, I see it on daily logs all the time where I kind of have a lean condition and the timing is pegged at the minimum spark and the idle's still not achieving desired idle. It's usually a good sign that you have a vacuum leak.
So, um, one of the really common things that seems to be a little bit more prevalent now for those vacuum leaks is injector O-rings as these cars age and that rubber component that's out in the elements for the most part. You know what I mean? It's not going to have a perfect seal around it. Just a little tiny crack and it all it needs. Rubber cracks. Man, I can't tell you how many O-rings I've seen leak in the past two years. I mean, before then it really wasn't that bad. It was every now and then, but it really seems to be seeing a lot more.
>> Yeah.
>> But, you know, a lot more people are now, you know, like you said, age.
>> Yeah. Like said, we bring it up all the time. The last year a Dodge vehicle was produced 2022. So, that's four, five years old. They were 23 models, but they were producing 22.
>> Oh, my car is a thousand miles. It's still four years old. Yeah. I mean, that's for a new car. So, even if you go back to like a 2020, right? That's probably built in 2019, 2020. So, that's six, seven years.
>> Oh my god. He did it to himself. I didn't even have to >> anyway. Six, seven, eight, nine years old, right? All these rubber parts start to deteriorate. And we say all the time that what's worse than a super high mileage car not taken care of is a car that's not driven because those rubber parts start to dry, rot, and tear. So, then all of a sudden, now people are switching injectors or whatever the case may be. uh you know, putting cams in and removing it.
>> Hell, the 300's a great example of that.
I've had a shanky ton of leaks on a 23,000 mile car just because it wasn't really driven, >> right?
>> Yeah. So, you know, the Subaru we have here is the same thing. It was down for five like about five years because it had a rod knock to the previous owner.
Someone bought it and started, you know, we're starting to do maintenance and stuff on it. And, you know, every time we fix something, something else comes up and it's >> you fix one thing, now there's a power steering leak. Now there's, you know, timing cover XYZ, XYZ, whatever, whatever you want to say. But >> yeah, leaks are crazy from the smallest little things usually. So, >> all right, what's next?
>> See, they talk about that. Um, how much do we charge on a tune for a Challenger or just a cam, not including unlock and credits?
>> Message us so we can know what all you need.
>> Well, if it if it's just a stock car with a cam, it's a,000 for the PCM and 350 for the TCM. Um, so that's just the standard for that. We probably consider modified vehicle and that's where that falls. That's the top tier for our tuning cost based on modifications.
>> Um, >> if you got everything, just make sure that your wband's logable. If it's not logable, if you have a wideband, amazing. But if it's not loggable, so like you either don't have like um the data wires going into a Prolink or an actual OBD2 bypass, we can't do anything with it. We've had people send in videos of them doing a poll in their wideband and saying, "Here's my wideband reading."
>> Yeah.
>> So, >> I remember when I first had my Sonic and I was told to get a wideband by someone that, you know, they didn't specify to get a logable one.
>> It might not been loable, but they've only been out for >> Okay. I was gonna say, >> what's the next question?
>> Definitely here. Uh, what tires do you recommend on stock wheels? Keep in mind, this is my daily.
Uh, the Arturo AZ850s. They're affordable. They're cheap. They have good traction. They're pretty good in the wet. Obviously, in the snow, it's not going to be amazing. So, if it is a snow vehicle, >> get get a dedicated set. Honest to God, we live in Illinois. We have rear wheel drive boats. If you are going to daily drive it through the winter, get a dedicated set of snow tires and your life is going to be so much simpler >> and safer. Toyo G3 Ice is they were amazing. They were cheap.
>> Uh had them on my Civic, had them on the 300. It was amazing. But I would say those are Turos.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I think for a a you know, best bang for your buck, I would agree with that. Um I'm a fan if you want to go to like a proper radial uh somebody recommended to the Nitto triple nickel R2s. Yes. um or the Mickey Thompson uh PT Street SS's are decent. Um I will say probably out of those two that I just said, the triple nickel R2s are better in wet conditions. So if you get caught in the rain, you have better chance of not dying.
>> So keep that in mind.
>> Um now this next question somebody recommended, you know, asking about the the width and the size. So >> it's going to be a wide body. uh you know the three. So here's the thing on like a 392 and it depends on what your goal is. I understand how cool a wide tire looks and you get it. But don't take this the wrong way. You're probably not going to make more torque than what for example a 305 wide tire is going to produce. So by going lighter, all you are doing is creating more.
>> Yeah. More weight, more rolling resistance, worse fuel economy, worse acceleration. Well, it's it's also right because of the weight it's going to battle and prop, you know, make traction more difficult. People forget that the heavier it is, the harder it is to accelerate. So, our shopper has 275 wide tires.
>> All motor Rex.
>> Yes, it's a 15 drag pack, but it's still a 275. That's what I have.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> You have the same exact >> I forgot. I forgot.
>> So, yeah, we cut high 1360 foots with the 275 wide tire. Yes, we weigh a little bit less, but it just goes to show you that, you know, more concerned about is is, you know, the sidewall and what you're going to get for the overall dimension for this. So, um, >> he's just going a lot, man. That's fine.
Um, so yeah, you know, I'm, you know, if you're more so like R1 traction panel look, fine, go with a 315 wide, especially on a wide body. But, um, you know, the reality is on a 392 given application, even with, you know, our level four package, I probably get away with a like a 275 radial um and have better traction sometimes with it and everything. It's the compound itself in the sidewall. So, >> um do keep that in mind.
>> Now, the other one that I'm kind of I've kind of really been digging on recently um is the Kenda KR28, >> the 200 treadware. So, the price has gone up uh 275420.
I checked this morning. I want to say it was 220 a tire. Yeah. Um, but it is a 200 tread wear, so it is a lot grippier than those Arturos. And it's been pretty good on my 300. Even even on the Magnum was pretty good. I've just been using it as a rear tire. I am probably going to get them and try them out as a steer tire.
>> We'll see. Um, but they're pretty good.
So, you got a lot of decent options, you know, from affordable to a little bit crazy, >> but just really figure out, you know, if this is a winter car, I would do a summer set. I would do a winter set.
>> Yeah. Because all season you're going to be sacrificing everywhere.
>> Yeah.
>> Especially in all rear wheel drive. The six-pack completely different. It's a heavier car. It's all-wheel drive. You know what I mean? You can kind of claw through it. He's showing me his chest.
Um not Jeremy CJ.
>> You don't. It's not good. Um but for a rear wheel drive car like this, I'm telling you, once you get like a proper winner set, >> I know you're passionate about it, but we got to get going soon.
>> So, >> I think that's about it. Somebody said we should get a discount for all the cars that we buy since we do. You know, I would appreciate if Dodge had the same mindset you did.
>> Yeah. Give you a free GLH.
>> No. Why would you give me that one?
>> Cool.
>> Take the GH.
>> Oh, the Copperhead. Oh, it's the only changer.
>> You know, I I do wish that they saw what I do and try to do for this platform.
Absolutely. Um, you know what I mean? I I own 20 I seem to be counted 20 in the past since I've opened my own doors.
It's well over 20 new vehicles I bought for R&D.
>> I mean, I'll keep going. I mean, it's what I'm here for. So, >> you should give us a free FIF. Yes.
Sold. Done.
>> No.
>> No. Stop.
>> Or the Gucci edition.
>> No. Stop. Anyways, I agree. Um, question. What is the fastest 57 block car you guys have tuned? And what is the fastest simple HP70 that we have tuned?
I'll be honest, I don't know. Um, >> mine. I mean, if you're talking like just a bare block, I mean, we have over a thousand wheel horsepower made out of just the blocks themselves. Um, >> you know what I mean? So, I that, you know, that's a high eight second car.
Um, HP70, I don't keep track of, you know, stock versus not. I can tell you both stock HB70s I have into the high to mid 9s and then you know simple um allows the HP70 to get down to about 950 maybe a th00and wheel horsepower torque range um obviously can't make the same as like an HP90 but that type of horsepower is about 9 8 second car depending the weight so that doing that so um >> I forgot about that white Daytona that was HP90 swaps >> right yeah I had a ton I mean I bought that Um, yeah. So, yeah, I mean that's kind of a a tough one for me to like track. I don't have those type of specs on it, but I have, you know, Eagle 57 block cars making over a,000 wheel and then HB70 cars making over 950 wheels.
So, that translates into high. So, >> see what else?
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>> My kisses, >> yeah, right there. Do you think it would be possible for a 57 base 392 stroker 30 Whipple built HP70 full weight Challenger to hit an 8sec quarter mile pass?
>> No >> full weight brother. Uh so what so the only way you're going to do that is if you have the 10 uh 10 conversion on your um your engine and the reason for that is with the six red setup that the whipple the three whipples are very limited on the horsepower and a full weight Challenger even on a 15inch conversion um you're not going to make enough power to you you'll get close you'll be bottom nines but you're going to really battle the belt slip so for a full weight Challenger minus the wheel tire combo to make enough horsepower to achieve an 8second pass. You're going to need the 10 rig conversion. So, um generally 9950 is where these whipples will start to experience slip. Um and you know, if you take some weight out of it, that's enough to run eight. I will say that if you take some weight out of it, um a a maxed out Whimple on that type of application will be able to to make the power. But full weight with a six rib, you're going to need a glory glory day of 200 minus 200 da or something like that.
>> All the stars are going to have to line up.
>> So if you really want to stick full weight, then I recommend to do the 10 rep conversion to be able to spin the blower a little bit faster and that will help you get there or out of it and do it. It's kind of set up.
>> That would be my recommendation. Uh >> John asked if we got the six-pack to the track yet. Every time we go, it gets closed.
Today was going to be a day. They had sticky Friday where they were opening in the morning. It closed because of rain.
We have been I think we had it scheduled like five or six times to go and >> we got snowed out one time.
>> Yeah, it's been closed when we have the availability to go. Sadly, all I have still to date is my draggy time.
>> It was open and clearer than But Jesus while you were on vacation. But >> yeah, >> you should have taken the car on vacation.
>> Well, no, it's not work. It's joy.
>> That's true. A couple more and then we got to head out. So we gota get back to >> lift by J 62 based 42670 stroker CNC ported head T85 ported Kong 130 throttle body 1700 cc's ARP studs boost pumps.
What wheel should I be looking at?
>> That's a big throttle body could actually um that's up to you. I mean you know depends on your setup. If you're really going for max performance like that's what you want. you want to do a 15-inch conversion all the way around on that car and get the lightest 15 inch you can like we did on our our 392 shop car. If you're a street car that just wants to be able to have better traction, you know, go with the 17 in regards to the wheel. Depends on narrow body, wide body. Uh but, you know, that it's it really comes down to the the design and the look that you're going for. So, uh you know, 305 wide on a narrow body is the the furthest you can go before you start to dig into your fender. So, if you wanted a 315, you got to hammer it in and clean it up a little bit there.
Yeah. Um, so yeah, that's that's kind of there's a lot of variables there. He is the wheel tire guy, so if you want like specifics or recommendations, hit us up afterwards and we can kind of go over some options once we get more details on the actual building with it.
>> Aelia Assassins.
>> Yeah. Well, as an example, too, you don't want to put a 15 inch on it if you're going to be doing a roll racing if that's what you're building it for.
you want to keep more a thinner sidewall then we can talk about that next week but um yeah so that that that is a lot of variables and a lot of um opinions on that you know what I mean so uh but we can talk off air and then what's the as well as bulls you guys would put on a 30 whimple with an 18% uh overdrive damper on the six roof setup uh 30 because really underneath that you're really going to start at the three uh 3inch upper you really start to battle belts up there anything underneath it. It just, you know, on a diner you might get a pull, but when the belt stretches and it gets hot, you're going to struggle.
>> And this is even on a 10 rep set.
>> It's even on a 10 rep setup. Yep. Um the 325 upper 18 lower is kind of the street setup we generally run on it. Uh we have guys that push it on three, but very little consistent success if you go any smaller than the 3 upper. So, um, >> yeah, I mean, you you might get like a crazy peak power number, but it might be something where you only are able to repeat it one in every 10 passes because the other nine are in belt slip, right?
>> Which at that point, you know, you're slipping below, you're making less boost, you might make a more consistent power being that 3 0.
>> Well, he said with a 10 rib, so if you're doing a 10 rib, they don't have an 18% over, it's a 10% because you put the Hellcat lower on it. Same thing like he said, 3 0 is kind of the limit just from surface area and the routing. going below that also on that car or a Whipple 3 0 when you go below that 325 upper like to the 3 0 and the 275 that the gains are so minimal because of the heat it starts to produce. So >> all you're really doing is just beating up on the blower more from not that much.
>> Yeah. And then like we say on the dyno sometimes it's easy to make that but when you're racing and there's actually a shift involved and that belt slips on the shift it's just gone after and all it takes is one time to use your belt.
So, um, hey Justin, sorry you just woke up. We're we're about to head off. So, hope everything's good over there. So, thank you guys for checking in. This was a fun one. Uh, hopefully next week we'll have our new internet and it'll be clear and you'll see more details on Jula's face. So, hour and a half live stream.
We love you guys. You make it possible.
Thank you. Bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.
Battery. Uh-oh. We almost lost
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