The Trinity is a Christian doctrine explaining that God exists as one divine being (essence/nature) in three distinct persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). These three persons are not separate beings but are the same being, sharing the same divine nature. The distinction between 'person' (who God is) and 'being' (what God is) allows for three persons to be one being. This doctrine addresses how Jesus can be both fully divine and fully human, as the divine person of Jesus possesses both a divine nature and a human nature simultaneously.
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The record is false. [laughter] How would you know? How would you know if it's false or not, Habibi? [snorts] How would you even know?
Hey bear.
>> Hello.
>> Um, I was the guy in Discord, you know, that want wanted to talk with you. So, can I can I can I talk with you here?
>> Uh, yeah. Are you Christian?
>> Yeah, I'm Christian.
>> Okay. You're the guy that wanted to talk to me about what was it again?
Um it was you know why does God create us um with free will and at the end just sent ourself to hell because you know he created us just to send us to hell I don't I don't find this I don't find it logic he created man and let him sin and now we we condemning ourself what did God created us like this and not without sin.
>> Yeah, he did create us without sin, brother. Um, you're misunderstanding that. Um, but he did create us with a free will, meaning we can choose to go away from God's will. So, what you see here, everybody being born with a corrupted nature, that's not God creating us that way. That was something that we did to ourselves.
So innocent children, innocent people dying, that's our fault and not God. But I I don't understand because you know there's kid dying in the world. They didn't ask for anything.
>> Some of them didn't even sin. But they are dying for the [clears throat] sin of Adam, you know, for the sin of the first man. God is condemning us for the for the sin that Adam made. No, no, that's that's not God condemning us for the sin that Adam did. Um, no. We're just experiencing the consequence of Adam.
So, for example, if you have two parents that have a child and those two parents are criminals and let's say they rob a bank and they get arrested. Now the child does not have any parents taking care of them because they're in jail and they end up if they don't have a next of kin they end this child could end up in a foster care. Then when the child ends up in a foster care somebody can adopt them and then let's say they end up with a bad foster parent. They can end up getting abused by that foster parent.
Is that is that God punishing the child for the parents' decisions or or is is that child being punished for their parents' decisions or is the child just experiencing a consequence of the of their parents' decision? Which one is it?
>> Yeah. Just experiencing the consequence >> exactly >> of his parents.
>> It's the same thing here. Like when we experience a fallen world, that's not God punishing us. That's just a consequence of Adam and Eve's um Adam and Eve's sin.
>> Okay. And my last question is, you know, why why is God so far from us? I don't understand it. You know, >> I don't know what you mean by that. So far from us.
um when I when I feel like it's not it's not here anymore you know with all those wars all the Christian dying from you know Muslim persecution because you know I'm I'm an oral Christian I come from Egypt and my uncle who who is um who is a Coptic he got killed you know by by some Muslim and I'm asking myself why did God allow this you know why did God is not here to protect his children's to protect all the people who love him. Why does doesn't God protect him? Because my uncle loves God. He loves God.
>> You're assuming you're assuming that um you're assuming God's not here to protect it just because the outcome didn't go in your favor.
But if we're going to take if we're talking about God here, assuming that the God is the God of the Bible, we're talking about a God that was willing and didn't have to willing to incarnate as a human being and experience the same tests and battles and suffering that all of us can endure. In fact, most of for most people more so he was even though God is all powerful and was not and and does not have to do any of the things that he did. He incarnated, became a man. How like you can't get any closer than that.
And then experienced a humiliating death of torture on the cross just so that we can be is just so we can have eternal life.
So the same testing and the same unaliving that you're describing your uncle I think it was >> Jesus went through it as well who is God.
>> Okay. Okay. I understand. I understand.
Thank you so much for for your time for answering my question. I love your videos. Keep doing like that man. God bless you.
>> Thank you brother. Thank you. God bless you. If you have more questions you can ask in the Discord. Okay.
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And to be honest, that Jewish man cooked you yesterday. [snorts] Wouldn't have been able to cook you if you were practicing your own culture.
Ironically, he used the same DNA argument that I cooked you with.
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>> Hey, buddy.
>> Hello, buddy.
>> How are you doing, man?
>> I'm doing good, buddy.
>> Doing good.
Uh, let's let's make you let's make you feel a lot better.
>> Can you read Hosea 2 for me from the start?
>> What faith are you?
>> I'm a I'm a Muslim, of course, but >> Okay. You want me to read what? Hosea.
>> Yeah, Hosea 2 from the start.
All right.
>> Let me let me grab my popcorn while you while you pull it up.
Okay. What? I'm not going to read the whole thing, but um what verses?
>> Why not? Why not? Just just read the first like 10 verses. Let's read the >> because No, I'm not reading 10 verses.
Bro, what do you want to bring up? No, there's not reading time. [snorts] What are you >> The thing is, my argument is I just want to I just want to prove by by just reading the verses that it's like coming from a demonic being and not nothing divine. That's my point.
>> Okay. Well, how do you know it's coming from a debon bean?
>> Because of the content, my G. If you >> So, just because of how you feel.
>> Well, have you ever read this before, brother?
>> Yes. And just so just because of how you feel, >> it means it's demonic.
>> So, you you're not allowed to think when you're reading the Bible.
>> Nobody Nobody said that. I just want to know. And and by the way, I'm asking you, By the way, I'm asking you to think because feelings, just because you don't like what you read doesn't necessarily mean >> whatever you're feeling is true. It could mean it's true.
>> I just want to know what would be the what would be the argument that this comes from a demonic being. Can you point to the verse that would mean it comes from a demonic being?
>> Because it sounds like this whole passage, it sounds like it's a script from a horror movie. It sounds like it comes from a horror movie. Okay. How does that prove that this comes from a demonic being?
>> Just read it, brother. Why are you so afraid? Why are you kissing your >> Nobody Nobody Nobody is afraid. I just want to know what the argument is.
Because if you're going to come here >> because >> because Mr. Raymond, Mr. Raymond, if you would just let me talk and like I don't know why you guys do this. You guys get so excited >> that you just start jumping in and start talking in the middle of me talking.
It's annoying. Okay, go ahead.
>> I'm asking for something specific. I'm going to put the screen I'm going to put the verse on the screen or the chapter on the screen. You point to what in what part of the verse is going to prove it's a demonic being and why. Okay.
>> I don't cuz the reason why I don't want you to just cherryick is because you're going to say I'm not I'm not doing anything. I'm just asking >> I just want you to read the whole thing.
>> I'm not doing I'm not going to read the whole thing, dude. This is not what this live is for. This live is for people to bring arguments. So that's why I'm pulling up the verse now. U I'm pulling up the whole thing. Hold on. Let me put this ahead of it. One second. There we go.
>> You missed the You missed the star.
>> What?
>> Yeah. Okay. So >> Okay. What part is going to prove that this is from a demonic being? Go ahead.
>> Okay. So you can already see at the end of three >> Mhm.
>> it says he's going to slay her with thirst. Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Uh in three it says lest I strip her naked.
>> Mhm.
>> And her adulteries from between her breasts.
>> Okay.
>> This is your God speaking by the way.
Right.
>> About who?
>> This woman. He's going to do horrible things to her.
>> Who's the woman?
>> It's apparent. I don't know what who she is.
>> You don't even know who this is talking about and you're going to accuse this of being a demonic being. Who's this who she is? Why is your acting in this way?
It does matter.
>> Why is he talking like a matter per matter? It does matter. And and brother, I know I know you as a Muslim are not talking about perverted perverted languages, bro. Like relax.
>> I am.
>> Right. You guys have no standards when it comes to this stuff.
>> I'm not anyway. Anyways, anyways, brother, you understand? You understand?
You understand that this is talking about someone? Do you know who this is talking about?
>> Explain. Explain us.
>> I just need to know. I just need to know. I need to hear you say, "No, I don't know what who this is talking about."
>> No. No, I don't know. Slow person. No, I don't know.
>> I'm the slow person. But you're you're making you're making three times.
>> You're making an argument. So, so Chad, I'm the slow person, but this is what this slow person just did. He opened the Bible, probably Googled was googling things that he can contend against the Bible, >> and then when he opened up to Hosea 2, started reading it and started saying, "Oh my gosh, it says stripping a woman naked and it says, uh, slay her with thirst." Oh my god, this is so bad. had no had no had no mean like didn't even think to say well who is this talking about so I could present it all he did all he did was all he did was just go off of his own feelings and say oh I could present this to a Christian and this will be proof that this is from a demonic being brother this is talking about Israel as a whole >> but no so the woman the breast is is talking about the country >> he's talking the woman hey look what is Does it say right here?
>> What does breast >> What does it say right there? What does it say right there?
>> Can you explain?
>> What does it say right there?
>> We're God's unfaithful people.
>> Exactly. When the prophet spoke When the prophet spoke about judgment language, who were they talking about?
>> What was their job as a prophet to be talking about?
>> Are you not his wife? Can you be his wife?
>> Get the hell out of here. [laughter] Get the hell out of here. Waste of time.
has no clue what the hell he's reading, but he's going to critique it. Yeah.
Yeah. That's going to be another victory in debate here. Let's increase the record.
Boom.
We got another victory. Dude didn't even know. Dude present an argument and didn't even know the context.
Insane.
Actually, insane.
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Somebody said, "Can you clarify the Torah prompt?" If you come up, I'll clarify it.
It's the whole purpose of putting it on the prompt is to get people to come up and talk about it.
Why would I clarify it with you in the comments? Don't make no sense. Don't make no sense, gang.
You feel me?
That's the whole purpose.
>> What's up?
>> What's up, man?
>> Uh, I'm not really trying to debate. I just wanted some clarity on the whole Judaism rejects the Torah. Like my understanding at least is in Judaism.
They have like the Torah which is the written law, the Mishna which is like the oral law and then you have like rabbitic Judaism which is like the like Babylonian and like Jerusalem talud. And I believe like those are rabbitical rulings on the Torah and Mishna is my understanding at least.
>> What faith are you?
>> Uh I'm Christian.
>> Okay. Yeah. They reject the Torah because in the Torah there's prophecies that fulfill that Jesus fulfills as being the Messiah and they reject it.
>> Oh, I agree with that. But >> so then you agree the prompt.
>> Okay. Yeah. All right. So that's the angle. I thought you meant that they don't adhere to the Torah at all as like some guidance of their faith.
>> No, they reject they reject it.
>> No, fair enough. I agree. Uh, thanks for letting me on.
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Uh, I hope not.
I hope not. [clears throat] Why would it be sinful? I don't know.
I don't know why it would be. If I put something like, you know, Allah referencing the Allah, the Quran, Allah Akbar on my body, then maybe that would be a sin.
But no, it wouldn't be uh it wouldn't be a sin.
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Private jet donation. God bless Bear. I see Private Jet Friday starting out rough with no context arguments. Yeah, it it always starts off rough, man. It always does. Hey, what's up, man? Good to see you. Thank you for the super chat. A little something for the jet fuel. Let's Oh, we need Hey, people don't realize once you get the private jet, you need jet fuel and you need to pay the pilot and you need to pay for the, you know, for the space at the hanger maintenance. It's expensive, man.
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>> Yo, >> what's up?
>> Wait, are you the one who debated Kora?
>> Uh, a lot of people debated Kora, but yeah, I debated her.
>> Yo, >> are you Muslim?
>> Yo, I'm a big fan, bro. I saw you on YouTube.
>> Oh, thank you, bro. Are you Are you a Christian?
>> Yes.
>> Okay, I'll beat me. God bless. Do you have a question?
Um, yeah.
>> Yo, Cashic, thank you so much for the super chat.
>> Dono for the hot tub in the jet for baptism. That's right. We You know what?
We need a priest for that, though. But yeah, no worries, bro. We We definitely going to put a little hot tub in there.
Um Yeah, bro. Um question.
>> Um yeah, about the trinity. Yeah, I want to ask like some of the um um examples that some people give. So um some people say uh imagine me as a son and a teacher that exists simultaneously but uh you know but they're distinct but they're still one. Is this going to be an applicable analogy?
>> No.
>> Can you explain why?
>> Because of the roles.
>> Those are two beings.
Wait, wait. So I'm trying to understand.
So me, if we say that someone is is a teacher, a son, and a father at the same time.
>> Oh, you're talking about I thought you were talking about a son and a teacher.
No, that still wouldn't be applicable because that's still one person that are three different modes.
>> Look, how about we do this? Just join.
Are you in my Discord?
>> Uh, no, no, no.
>> Join my Discord and then we can we can talk about it in there. I'm trying to find some people who disagree.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> All right. Hi. God bless.
>> God bless.
[snorts] >> All right, guys. 17K likes. Appreciate it. Let's get to 25K ASAP.
>> Yo, >> what's up, >> Big Bear? Man, you got you got to add a one to that, brother. Cuz you lost something. Yeah, maybe maybe like two.
Okay. So, maybe your >> record That's still pretty good record though.
>> It's a good record. No, it's a good record, man. If you got two losses, it's still a good record. You know what I mean? But you still you lost some debates. Come on, man. You got to be honest.
>> Cora flame. Okay. How did Cora flame me?
Go ahead.
>> I don't know. I just know she did.
[laughter] >> All right, bro. You can't come in here and just say she flame me and then not >> She did. She did. Come on, man. Let's be honest, bro.
>> All right. Look, if you can explain to me how she flamed me and it's legit, I'll put I'll put one right there.
What's the second one?
>> I don't know. Somebody flame Liiano flamed you. I'm sure he did.
>> Liiano flamed me. Okay. When When did he flame me?
>> Did you debate him? Did you debate him?
>> Uh, I mean, I tried to, but then he called up for help. [laughter] He brought up a nastiness, bro. That's the problem. You see, I can give you I can give you a prop some Muslims.
>> But do you see what I'm saying? But you >> watch the video on YouTube. I was I was having a conversation with a Muslim. He came up and then when him and I started to have a conversation, he brought up Anas and Umar and then Umar came and took over.
>> So So Bear, so you're saying, "Yeah, honestly, you've never been flamed by by anybody. You are undefeated."
>> Undefeated.
[laughter] >> Okay, let's let's let's let's put our record to the test.
>> Okay. Are you >> So bear >> Yeah. Go ahead.
>> So bear so so so >> persons do things natures don't.
Correct. That's correct.
>> So is the person of Jesus divine?
>> Yes.
>> So when you say or and the person of Jesus is also a human, correct?
>> No, it's not a human person. No.
>> Oh, so the person of Jesus already possesses a divine nature.
>> No. No. The person the the hypostasis is divine, but the hypostasis assumes a human nature.
>> Okay.
>> So he's truly Not human.
>> One person, two natures.
>> Yes. One person, two natures. That's correct.
>> So, so the person the one person has a human nature. That's what I'm saying.
And you said no.
>> No, no, no. I didn't say that. You asked if he's a human person. No, he's not a human person.
>> Okay. Does the one person who is the son >> Yeah.
>> have a human nature?
>> That's correct.
And the one person who is also the son still the son sorry has a divine nature >> and yeah this the the divine person still has a divine nature even when he takes on a human nature that's correct >> so so when you say persons do things natures don't if the person is divine correct >> is that a divine person doing a thing >> yes >> so is the divine person of Jesus sleeping.
>> Yes.
>> So, and divine. By divine you mean God, correct?
>> Yes.
>> God doesn't slumber.
>> If he takes on through a human nature, he does.
>> Oh, but but but you said the person does it, not the natures.
>> Oh my god, dude. Yes. The human person does it through a nature. Do you know what a nature?
>> Oh, so there's another person now. So he's a human person. No, you just said the human person.
>> That's my mistake cuz I'm saying through a human.
>> Oh, YOU GOT TO ADD THAT to your debate record.
>> Brother, just because just because people joking. I'm joking. I'm joking.
>> A divine person does it through a human nature. Do you know what the definition of a nature is or how we would be using it?
>> Yeah. Essentially, it's what something is.
>> Yeah, that's that's oversimplified, but to be more specific, it's going to be the principle of operation. So, your actions are going to dictate what you are, right? So the principle of operation is the human human nature. So if a divine person is operating through a human nature >> then he sleeps and if the divine person is God then god sleeps.
>> So bear does the human nature do this action or is it the person who does >> the divine person? It's God sleeping.
Yes.
>> Wow. Thank you very much bear. So bear just affirmed that God slept. Correct.
Can we can we say yes?
>> Yep. In so far as is human nature.
>> Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. So God can sleep. Thank you very much. Bear in mind in so far as human nature. Okay.
>> Yeah. But you but but you just said this is a victory for you.
>> Oh. So in so No, no, no. So in so far as his human nature, right?
>> But when I ask you do natures do things, you say no. Right. So okay, can you please elaborate what do you mean by >> persons? Persons only do thing the only way persons can do things is through its nature.
Mhm. So, so essentially the nature is part of this action.
>> Yeah. See here, let me give you let me give you an oversimplified example of what I mean. So, are you you're a human being. Can you fly?
>> Yep.
>> You could open the camera right now.
>> Open the camera right now. Flying, please.
>> I'm on a plane already. I can't.
>> Oh, wait. Wait. I'm talking about I'm talking about you as a human in your nature. Can you is a human. Oh, you see, you got to you got to be more specific.
Uh, >> you're pro You're actually proving my point.
>> Oh my god.
>> You're actually proving my point.
>> Hold on. What do you consider? What can you define? You're actually Let me Let's Let's go ahead and stay right here.
You're proving my point.
>> So, when we qualify when you when you said yes, but when you qualify it, you don't mean through your human nature.
You mean when you go in a plane, then you're flying. Correct.
>> Mhm.
>> Can you can you can you define what flying is, though? Can you define what flying is? As a human being to fly, what does that mean?
>> Being able being able to fly through your nature.
>> So, no, but what is flying though? What does that mean?
>> To [clears throat] float in the air for a long period of time.
>> What's a long period of time? How How do we know what a period of time is?
>> A minute. We'll just say a minute for the sake of argument.
>> What? You just came up with that or like when Michael Jordan flew from the Hold on. Michael Jordan flew.
>> So, I'm I'm asking you. When Michael Jordan from the free throw line for a minute, was he flying? No. For a period of time, he's just jumping for a millisecond. He's just jumping.
>> But is he in the air? Is he in the air?
>> So that doesn't mean Yeah. When when people when your people when your people attacked the Twin Towers and people jumped off it, were they flying or were they falling?
>> My people. [laughter] That's how I know you're stupid. So now you're going to resort to some So So you're going to resort to some like disgusting rhetoric? Like why? Why? Why go into that? I don't understand.
>> I'm just talking about the people who jumped off the tower. Were they flying?
Oh, so when my people You said so when my people What does that mean? I don't understand.
Muslims. The Muslims that that did jihad. What? That's not true.
>> Oh, the older Muslims. Yeah. Yeah. You So you believe it's the Muslims. There's There's reputable people that come out and say that that wasn't And there's no No need to get into Am I am I is that not true? Is that not a Is that not a fact that they were Muslim?
>> Oh, so you think 911 was actually like there's no conspiracies to that? You think that that was actually done by Muslims? Like can I ask why listen why should I believe the con conspiracy? I'm just talking about like what was actually initiated and reported.
>> I don't know. Let's see why. Let's see why let's see why the Zionist Let's see why the Zionist operation which ran the Twin Towers told all the Jewish people to leave and nothing. Oh, so we can talk for hours bear and talk about how that >> I think you're just I think you're just getting emotional. So let's get let's get back let's get back to the topic. So when the when those Muslims hijacked the plane and hit the twin towers and they and the people were jumping off the tower, were they flying or were they falling?
>> Like so when when when when Bear's fat ass picks up a burger or hot dog and flings it into his mouth, is that is that hot dog flying?
>> This is a victory. This is now a victory. Now this is a victory.
>> No, no. YOU SEE HOW YOU SAID I JUST SAID Muslims hijacked.
>> No, no, no. You're being disrespectful.
>> Go sit down. Go sit down. Go sit down.
And that's another victory. Dude can't even handle an analogy. I didn't even say I said when Muslims hijacked the plane, dude got emotional. We'll add that to the We'll add that to the record.
[laughter] I said when Muslims hijacked the plane, hit the twin towers, and people were jumping off the towers. Were they flying? Yes or no?
That's another victory.
It's crazy.
Why he get upset over that? Is that not true? Were they Muslim or not?
What's up?
>> Hello. Are you Christian?
>> What are you?
>> I'm agnostic, but I studied like theology.
>> All right. Could you please explain the Trinity?
>> It's a doctrine explaining how our God exists.
>> Okay. And and do you believe in like one God? Are you orthodox or do you believe in the Trinity as in three in one? The Trinity's doctrine is the reason why it's even a doctrine is explaining why it's one God.
>> Okay. Could you please elaborate? Like, >> but you said you study theology.
>> Yes. Cuz I I'd like to understand the logic behind three beings in one. Is it three distinct gods or is it one God?
And if if they if they're separate, how can they be all gods?
>> Yeah. So, everything you just described is nothing what the Trinity describes.
So, are you do you actually study this stuff or you just >> That's why I asked you and um I'd like to >> No, but you said you study theology.
>> Yes.
>> Do you study it like formally or just on your own?
>> No, no, just on my own.
>> Okay. So, when you study it on your own, where did you get that the trinity doctrine is saying three beings?
>> I didn't get it from anyone. I'm merely asking a fellow Christian to tell me >> what you just described is not the trinity. So, I can't answer to that.
>> Okay. Could you please explain it for me? Explain what?
>> The Trinity.
>> I did already. It's a doctrine describing how our God exists.
>> Okay. How does the Trinity explain how your God exists? What is it composed of?
>> It's talking about who God is and what God is.
>> Okay. In Christianity, what is God and who is God? Is it >> is it the father?
>> God is divine, eternal, all the omnires.
And God, who God is is father, son, holy spirit.
>> Okay, that's what I'm saying. like the holy that's where I think it does it doesn't logically sit right with me is the fact that you have the father the son and the spirit and they're separate beings but they're also >> I say separate beings >> no I'm saying okay so you're saying they're not separate beings >> no >> so the father the son and the holy spirit are one >> in one in being yes >> you just said that is the father a being >> yes Is the sun a different being?
>> No.
>> Okay. So, they're the same thing.
>> Yes.
>> Right. So, how does is there a hierarchy between them >> or is God is is Jesus dependent on >> just we do believe in I do believe in a monarchial model but that wouldn't be a hierarchy per se. Just a logical order.
>> Yeah. But I'm trying to what I'm trying to ask is is there a dependency between the father and the son?
>> What kind of dependency are we talking about here? Can the father can Jesus exist without the father?
>> No.
>> There you go. So that shows you that there's a dependency. You cannot have Jesus without the father. Therefore the father.
>> Can you exist? Can you exist without your nature?
>> What does that mean? What do you mean by my nature?
>> So can you exist without your nature?
>> What do you mean by nature?
>> By the way, you your principle of operation, your body and your soul.
>> I don't understand. You're asking me if I exit. If I could exist without my body or my soul.
>> Okay, brother. So, here, let me let me This may be too much for you. So, >> no, no, it's not. I'm We're talking about I don't know why you're talking about >> I'm just going to simplify it a little bit more, okay? Or I'm just going to be just direct and explaining it just because just because >> we're getting derailed from our question.
>> We're not getting derailed because because I asked you what kind of dependency are you talking about? Okay.
when we're talking about like the only way there will be a contradiction for a dependency within God is if there's like a dependency to something external of itself. There's something called counterfactuals which are not a contradiction. So the father and the son cannot cannot the son cannot exist without the father and the father cannot exist without the son because they are the same being. They're counterfactuals.
It's not a contradiction. Even an atheist would agree with this. But when I asked you could Jesus exist without the father you said no >> right and and the same goes the other way around because they're counterfactuals to each other. They are the same being.
>> But if I was but if I was to say if I was to say the father >> you think that makes sense logically honestly.
>> Of course it does. You I think you just don't know what you're talking about.
You don't know you don't know what like you don't know basic philosophy. But what I'm but what I'm saying is claim the father could be one. They're not.
But brother, listen. Listen to what you just said.
>> Yeah.
>> You're claiming three different things to be one.
>> Yes.
Stop. Stop right there. You asked me just like a minute and a half ago if they're the same thing. I said yes.
>> So I never said they're different things. You just said that. You just put those words in my mouth.
>> That's called an attacking straw man.
So, so if it all I want you to acknowledge that you just misspoke on what I said.
>> Um, I'm trying to figure this out. I'm telling you.
>> I want you to admit that you were just Am I correct that I said earlier they're the same thing. Am I correct?
>> I don't know why you're holding on to that one. I'm trying to ask. I'm holding I'm holding on to it because I'm not I don't I'm holding on to it because I'm holding on to it because there's no point in talking to someone who is purposefully trying to misrepresent my position in order to make it appear as if you're you have an argument. We can discuss this and you're more than welcome to argue against the trinity.
But if everything I say is going to be twisted and manipulated just so it can appear as if you're attacking something that that is valid, then I'm not going to continue the conversation. Or you can just say, "Hey, that was my mistake.
You're right. You didn't say that." And then correct yourself and I'll be okay with that. So, which one do you want to do?
>> Hello.
Listen, man. I think we're getting on the wrong foot. What do you want me to say?
>> I think you need to correct yourself.
Did I not say that they're the same thing? the father and the son.
>> Yes, you did say they're the same thing.
>> Thank you.
>> But here's my question.
>> And when I say when we're talking about things, we were talking about beings. So they're the same being.
>> So So you cannot say that I said they're different beings.
>> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> I'm just trying to let me preface with by saying I'm not trying to have an argument with you. I may come across as passionate. I don't believe there's no Okay. I that's fine. But my question is if you believe it's genuinely I can understand logically. You believe that they're one being like you said, right?
>> Yep.
>> All three of them. So then why do you have the separate categories for them?
Why do you have the Jesus? Why do you have the Holy Spirit? And why do you have God?
>> Because those are we're not talking about being there. We're talking about persons. So they're distinct persons, not separate. They're distinct persons, but they're but they're the same being.
Those are two different categories.
>> Okay. So there's a difference between person and being is what you're saying.
>> Of course.
>> Okay. Could you please tell me?
>> Tell you what. How would you separate like a person from being?
>> You mean how? They're they're not the same thing. You think person and being >> what's your definition of being and what's your definition of person in this conversation? Being is what you are.
>> Yeah.
>> Person is who you are.
>> Being is what you are and and person is who you are.
>> Yep.
>> Right. Right. Right.
It makes no sense. I don't understand how Jesus could be God.
>> What doesn't make sense about what I just said?
>> The the hierarchal situation. You're you're basically saying 1 + 1 + 1 equals three.
>> How how am I saying?
>> You're saying equals one. You're saying it actually equals three.
>> How am I saying that?
>> Because you're saying Jesus like even in the Bible, Jesus refers to the father, does he not?
>> I don't know why we're going off topic.
How am I doing one plus one?
>> No, no. Because I'm showing you >> I want you to show me specific. I want you to show me. You made a claim. You made a claim. You said I'm trying to make a claim. You made a claim that I said 1 + 1 + 1 equals 3. I want you to >> No, no, equals 1. Sorry. 1als. I want you to show me how I did that >> because you're basically saying by definition, you're basically using the the difference between your definitions of being and person to say, oh, they're actually all one. There may be different in in persons, but they're the same being. That's your argument.
>> One plus one plus one equals one. I don't understand how I'm doing that.
>> Okay, then let me ask you this. In the Bible, God refers to >> one thing. I want you to answer my question. What? What's your question?
>> Holy bro, 1 + 1 + 1 = 1. You said that I am doing that. That that's how I'm counting. I want you Let me rephrase. I want you to show me how I'm counting that way.
>> Okay, I'll rephrase. That is how I interpret your saying it. But to you obviously believe there's a difference between beings and persons. That's why you view it as three different persons but one different being. Is that correct?
>> You do too.
>> Do I understand your position? You believe in three different person and one >> do you believe being and person are the same thing?
I'm no I don't know I don't know the definitions of persons of being. I just I I look at it more of a logical.
>> How can you argue? Then how can you argue? How can you look at this logically?
>> Allow me to explain.
>> If you how can you look at this log and I can tell you >> how can you look at this logically if you yourself don't even know the definition of the things you're talking about.
>> Bro, you you I don't think you even know. You're saying God is one being essence nature, right? Or three persons and hypnotize is rather with the father making it a real distinction. I >> have no idea what you're talking about.
Okay, then let me explain how in the Bible when Jesus says father, he calls onto the father. Is he calling on to himself?
>> No.
>> Okay. So that's what I mean by there's a there's a difference between them. Who is he calling to? He's calling to >> I already brother himself. Is himself answer true or false? Himself the word himself.
>> Is that a personal pronoun?
>> Yes. If I was talking about me, I'd say I'm talking to myself. And that is a personal personal pronoun.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. So I did say earlier that they are distinct persons, right?
>> Yes. But same beings.
>> Good.
>> Yes. Person and being person and being are not the same thing. So >> according to according to >> according to what I said if we're going to represent my position correctly. If Jesus prays to the father and they're distinct persons, then he would be using a personal pronoun that would not mean himself.
>> Right.
Right.
>> So you're saying God wait. So you're saying >> right. Yes or no?
>> Let me let me reus.
>> You're going to say you're you're on a tight leash now, bro. You're either going to say yes or no because I'm starting to get the I'm starting to get the feeling that you're purposefully trying to not answer questions when it's starting to make sense just so it can make it appear once again just like the last guy just to make it appear that you're doing something. So answer the question we're going to have a good faith conversation. If not you're going to kick rocks.
So if I believe they are distinct persons, not the same person. When the person of Jesus prays to the father, he is not going to be referencing himself because it will be a different person.
Agree or disagree? According to my worldview?
>> Oh, sorry. Disagree.
>> Okay. So, according to my worldview, what would be correct then?
>> I'm I'm not here to debate your worldview. We're here to debate.
>> You're literally debating my worldview since you came up here.
>> Literally.
>> Yes. But we're Listen. Listen. We both have our subjective experiences and thoughts and knowledge.
>> I don't care about your subjective experience. You came up here. You came up here to debate. You came up here that keeps backing you. You genuinely do not.
>> And you don't have nobody backing you.
Go sit in the chat.
It's another victory.
dude came in to debate Trinity and didn't even know the definitions. That's an easy victory. Thank you so much.
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Insane, man.
>> [snorts] >> Insane.
Look at Look at what No's no has to do spamming in the chat. Watch. Hey, no.
Here, request up one time. I'm going to ask you one question. And this one question is going to give me another victory. If you're man enough, come up and put a request in again. I'm going to ask you one question, and it's going to be in regards to three equals one.
So, I'm going to show you how three can equal one.
Just request up. If you're a man, he ain't going to request up.
He knew what he was doing the whole time. And once once people like that get called out on what they're doing, they they don't they don't like to get exposed again. They they like to leave with a with a bang and then they don't come back. Because look, when it comes to those these type of people, these little gaslighting, manipulative, possible sociopaths, they don't like to be exposed. When they find somebody that exposes them regularly, they run from them. But they don't want to make it seem like they're running. So, they'll manipulate how they run. They'll make it seem like like in this situation, he'll do things like this to rage bait and purposely misrepresent so he can get booted off, you know?
So, oh, request up. No, I got one question for you. Yeah, prove me wrong in what I just said.
Prove me wrong.
You're not going to request up.
I'm going to show you how three can equal one. That'll be the debate.
Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. No request.
No request.
Yeah, he ain't gonna request up. Anyways guys, uh let's get to 50K likes.
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What's up?
>> Hey, what's going on?
>> What's up, man? What faith are you?
>> Not a whole heck of a lot. I I actually just had one quick question.
>> What faith are you?
>> What faith are you?
>> Uh non-denominational.
>> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. Um yeah, I was I was just curious.
Do you have like the the charts that show that you're like the number one debater on TikTok? I'd like to see some stats for that.
>> It's just it's just a trust me, bro.
>> Oh, okay. So, no, you're not then.
>> Do you want to debate? I'll show you.
>> I mean, no, there's no need. There's no need. I just asked a simple question and you proved my point. So, >> what is your proof?
>> What's my proof? Is that you're I mean, it's like you already said it. It's a it's a trust me, bro. So, you're just you're just disingenuous.
>> Why is that disingenuous?
Well, it's a fabrication, is it not?
>> No, I don't think it's >> Why is it not? So, do you have proof to pro to back up this claim?
>> No, but I'm not lying either.
>> Well, then you have no proof. It's It's genuine.
>> That doesn't That doesn't mean I'm lying.
>> It does.
>> But it does.
>> Okay. How How does it How does it mean I'm lying?
>> Can you prove it?
>> I I can't show you any charts, but it doesn't mean I'm lying.
>> So, then how are you ranked number one?
That's >> How about this? How about How about this? Okay.
>> How about what?
>> How about this? Because you're saying that just because I can't show you any objective evidence that automatically means it's a lie.
>> Is that is that your argument here?
>> Not necessarily.
>> That is that's precisely what you just accused me of. So here, I don't have any I don't have anything I don't have any charts or anything to prove I'm the number one debater, but I'm not lying either. Okay. How does it how does it logically follow? How does it logic? How does it logically follow? Calm down.
Show me. Show me how it logically follows that just because I don't show you any charts, it means I'm lying. Go ahead.
>> That's a simple question. I asked you if you could prove >> I just asked a simple question. Now you're not Now you're dodging Now you're Now you're dodging the question.
>> So I'm going to ask it again. I'm going to ask it again. I am. I am. Okay.
>> It's a simple question, bro. You can't prove anything.
>> You're just mad.
>> I'm just I'm just uh I'm asking you.
>> You're just You're just begging for money on TikTok is what you Okay. Okay.
Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I am begging for money. I agree with that.
>> You are. [snorts] You're here every day, bro.
>> And you're like, >> "Look at you."
>> Okay. And And that makes you and you're up here crying about it because >> I'm the number one >> because I've never lost a debate. That's just your opinion, bro.
>> Hey, Chad.
>> By the way, by the way, I put this I put this up for people like him to get triggered. But but imagine a non-denominational Christian getting triggered by something like this.
>> Who said I was Christian? Oh, didn't you say non-denominational?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. What faith are you then?
>> I'm not.
>> Oh, you're you're an atheist?
>> Yes.
>> Okay. Do you want to debate about whether God exists or not?
>> No.
>> Okay.
>> I specifically came here to ask afraid to debate. You answered it. You >> So, you're afraid to debate.
>> Who said I wanted to debate? I >> You're You're debating as to whether I'm the number one debater.
>> No, I'm not. I asked you a question.
>> Okay. What? Ask the question again.
>> You failed to provide a response.
I didn't give you a response at all.
>> You said trust me, bro. That was a response. Is it not?
>> That is a response.
>> Okay.
So, what's your point then?
>> What's your point? I respond.
>> You just said I didn't respond and then you admitted I responded. What's your point, dude?
>> You didn't give me a valid response.
Trust me, bro.
>> Valid according to what criteria?
>> According to to what?
>> What? According to what criteria?
>> To what crit? What? What do you mean?
>> Oh my god. Now you don't know what I mean. Thank you, bro. Appreciate it.
That's another victory. And this is why I'm the number one debater cuz people like you get tripped up. You can't you contradict yourself after a couple of minutes of up here. And then and then when I ask you for an argument as to how this is a lie just because I don't show you charts, you can't provide it. You can't. You just cry. You're begging for money. You're up here every day. Oh my god.
All right. All right. So, Nola's back.
Nola's back. Null, you said three cannot equal one.
>> Yo. Yo. Yo. Wait. Why'd you block me off the chat? I'm trying to engage. That was That was probably my chat. I didn't I'm my moderator, so I didn't >> Oh, it was your chat. Was it? Sure.
Sure. Sure.
>> Okay. You said three You said three cannot equal one. Correct.
>> Nah, bro. You're disingenuous.
>> You said three cannot equal one.
Correct.
>> Correct.
Nobody can hear you.
Nobody can hear you. Nobody can hear you now. Yep. Hello. You said three cannot equal one. Correct.
>> Listen.
>> Correct. Yes or no?
>> I'm not going to. No. No. Look. Do you want to have a conversation or do you want to just ask me a question?
>> I'm trying to have a conversation right here. You said three and you said in the chat three cannot equal one. Correct.
>> Can I say my claim once again? Will you allow me? Or is it just going to be is about if it's about when you said three equals one. Yes, you could do that.
>> It's literally about the >> I'm talking about three equaling one.
>> Listen, bro. Listen. Just give me >> I'm talking about three. The only reason why you're up here is to have this conversation. If you're not going to have if you don't want if you want to run from this conversation, then just say so cuz we're not going to we're not going to talk about anything else.
>> So you said three cannot equal one.
Correct.
>> I said that you believe there's a difference between person and being.
>> We got one more. One more chance.
According to that, >> you said three cannot equal one, right?
This is the last chance. Otherwise, >> can I reiterate chat? Can I just >> get out of here?
>> It's another avoided. I challenged him to the debate. He accepted the challenge and then refused to debate.
That's a easy victory. Another win.
Another win.
Another win.
craziness.
Those of you on YouTube, if you guys don't know, I have a I have a banner up that says the number one ranked debate live on TikTok, undefeated in debates, and my record is 524,786 to nothing.
So, we're over a half a million wins, no losses.
So, that's the record right now. So those of you that don't know, so because people on YouTube are probably like, "Bro, what is he? What is he talking about?"
Checkmate.
Checkmate.
[sighs] Crazy.
[clears throat] Sorry.
I mean, the pro he wanted the last idiot uh atheist guy. He wanted proof. The proof is right here, man. Just watch the live.
You'll see it.
You'll be able to trust me more.
According to you only, bro. These people. Yo, these people are really like it. It's It's hilarious how easily triggered people can get.
I put a banner up like this and they get literally upset. They get literally upset over something like this.
Like, [laughter] bro, they get a It's not true. You're not the number one debater. You did not have over half a million wins in debates.
It's not true, bro. Stop saying it's true.
People like people really like they really fall for the rage bait.
>> [laughter] >> Like, oh my god, bro. Like, these people really like they they're not mature enough to understand that it's it's lit. I'm literally doing this to make you upset [laughter] so that you can stick around and watch.
Like that last the last atheist guy probably has been sitting here watching this whole live fuming that I made this claim and he's helping my he's helping the live and the watch time.
Huda was [laughter] Huda was almost your first Lar. Yeah, he was that was a close one. That was a close one. He cooked me when I said I had a dreadlock. When he saw my curl, he said, "Look, you have dreads." Yeah, he almost cooked me on that one. I I thought I had a dread for a second.
Mm.
Bro, these people are so easy to trigger, man.
Crazy, man.
It's crazy how easily triggered these people can get, man.
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Really really appreciate that. Show her some love. Uh Mesmore, what's up?
>> Yes, sir. Uh I would like to ask you a question regarding uh a Bible. Is that okay?
>> Sure. What faith are you?
>> I'm a Christian. Uh >> you believe in the trinity?
>> Yes, sir.
>> All right. Make it quick.
>> Uh yeah. My question is uh I just want to know uh regarding John 17:3, the only why is how can we understand the only the only true God? So >> that's in reference to his nature.
>> Oh, okay. So he's referring to God the father. His nature is only true God.
>> Yeah. Because that's what he is the only true God.
>> Oh, okay. Okay. And then we can say Jesus to the same nature. He have the same nature. So he he can be the only true God, too.
>> Yep. And the same for the Holy Spirit.
>> Okay. All right. Thank you.
>> You're welcome. All right. Bye.
Okay, we can't count that as a victory, guys.
We can't. It's not a That wasn't a debate.
Of course, you're undefeated. You're stuck in confirmation bias. Show me how.
Let's debate that. Let's debate how I'm in confirmation bias.
So, request up, RZ.
Request how I'm in confirmation bias.
Let's see if we can find RZ and have Riz request up. I'll send them a request.
And I don't see RZ here. I don't see RZ in the list.
H RZ, can you request up so we can discuss that?
I am Orthodox. Alhamdulillah.
Alhamdulillah.
So, request up there. Oh, no, it's not them, but whatever. Dom requested. So, we'll we'll talk to Dom, whoever this is. Hello, Dom.
>> What up, bro?
>> What's up?
>> How you doing, bro?
>> Doing good. What faith are you?
I mean, I lean towards Christian pretty much.
>> But what are you now?
>> But um >> I would really say I'm nothing to be honest.
>> Uh nothing meaning like you don't believe in God yet or you just don't know what >> I don't believe in God.
>> Okay.
>> A specific theology.
>> I understand. Okay. What's your question?
>> Yeah. Um, I was wondering like I I know you're a Christian.
>> Mhm. And I I talked to a lot of Christians, but they it [clears throat] seems like they only want to like have conversations with like Muslims or other Abrahamic faiths, but they don't like want to talk to like people who study ancient Egyptian history because I think that would be a much a harder conversation.
>> Do you get into like the history?
>> Not really, bro. Um, but do you think like when we do these lives, do you think it would be easy for me to find someone who actually studies ancient Egyptian history for them to come up on the panel and discuss it with me?
>> I do.
>> You do? Okay.
>> Got one right here, bro.
>> Oh, beautiful. So, let's [clears throat] let's talk. What what questions do you have as far as ancient or what arguments do you have or whatever you want to bring?
>> Are you familiar with the Shashu of Yahweh?
>> Nope. No.
>> All right. Well, they were the first worship they were the first group of people who worshiped a god called Yahweh.
>> Okay.
>> Which was around like 1500 BCE >> and they were they were aggressive people and they had like wars >> over territory with the Egyptians and they eventually got kicked out.
>> Then they had uh war with the sea people over territory and trade.
>> Let me pause you right there. Let me pause you right there cuz I didn't ask for a history lesson. Uh, I'm just going to pause you right there. Um, assuming any of this is true, cuz I'm not going to fact check it right now. Assuming that this is true, why do I care?
>> I mean, because the Bible doesn't talk about this. So, it's like, >> and why do I You're still not answering.
Why do I care?
>> Because you don't So, you don't want the full story. You just want what's been told.
by like the >> story of what I'm I'm like it it seems like your questions are assuming I need to care about something here and I'm trying to get to that. What why why do I care about this topic?
>> I'm not saying you need to care but that's that's what I care about. I care about like facts like >> but how are these facts relative to the Bible?
>> Because the Bible is not the full story.
The full story of what?
>> The worship of Yahweh.
>> Oh, are are you assuming that the Yahweh that these people worshiped is the same one of the Bible?
>> I mean, is there two Yahwehes?
>> I I mean, if you're saying I mean, I can I can go ahead and name my cow Yahweh, right? Does that mean it's the same Yahweh of the Bible?
Well, it definitely is because these people existed in the southern Levant, which is like Israel.
>> Brother, can you answer my question? If if someone if I name my pet >> if I name my pet Yahweh, that means it's going I'm the pet now is the same Yahweh from the Bible.
>> No, that's not what I'm saying. You first you asked me was it the same Yahweh and I said yes, it is.
>> Okay. How can you came around?
How can you prove it?
>> What's scholars prove? What?
>> Because >> I can tell you how I can prove it.
Because simultaneously when the when the when the um Shash of Yahweh lost their war against the sea people, >> they amalgamated to with other Canaanite people in the area.
And then that's when the Israelites around 1,200 BC and and then and then they made it >> prove it's the same Yahweh, dude.
>> Because it's the same people in the same area.
>> That doesn't mean it's going to be the same Yahweh.
>> So Canaanite people had a a god named Yahweh.
>> They also had a god named Mo. They also had a god named Molech.
>> They also had a god named Mazazel and Bal. Yeah. Okay. And >> so are you saying that it's a different Yahweh that they were worshiping?
>> I'm I didn't say anything. I'm asking how can you prove it's the same Yahweh?
That's my point.
>> I mean I I just So I'll go off what the scholars what they say.
>> Good. What do the scholars say? How do the do scholars demonstrate that this is the same Yahweh?
>> Because it was the same group of people in the same area.
>> How does that prove it's the same Yahweh?
>> Because it's the same people in the same area.
>> Okay. Here, let me give you an example first. Do you believe that Muslims and Christians worship the same God?
They worship Yahweh, but it's >> No, Muslims will say they don't worship Yahweh.
>> Well, it's the the the God of the prophets, and it's the same prophets.
>> Do you believe they worship the same God? Yes or no?
>> No. But like I said, >> thank you very much. Now, that's all I needed to know. That's all I needed to know. Do we agree? Okay. Now, we go to Egypt.
Egyptians which are the same people, same lineage.
>> The there within the Egyptians you have Christians and Muslims according to your own logic because they're in the same land and the same people they have to worship the same God now.
>> No.
>> Does that logically follow?
>> That's not what I He's saying Christians and Muslims in modern Egypt right now worship the same God.
>> Oh my god, dude. You're not even tracking what I'm saying. You're saying I asked you, how do you know it's the same Yahweh? You said it's because it's the same people in the same area. So now I'm talking about a people in an area in Egypt that you agree don't believe in the same God. But because they're the same people in the same area according to your logic that you said the scholar said they have to believe in the same God.
>> Well, that's different. I mean because they call their God.
>> What's different now? What's You said that's different. Give me the qualifier as to what would that make the difference.
>> They call their god Allah and you guys call your God Yahweh.
>> Okay, good.
>> What does Allah mean?
>> That means God.
>> Okay. And do Christians call Yahweh God?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. So, according to you now, because it's the same word, it must be the same God, right?
But do Christians have a name for their God?
>> Oh my god. Can you can you respond to what I just said? According to you, >> just because according to you, according to you, because they're both calling him God, that would now mean they're the same God, right?
>> God is a generic term that is dramatic.
That just means >> See you later, brother. See you later.
Thanks for the easy dub. This is why I don't debate Egyptian whatever it is that you said they are because it's it's kind of too easy of a debate. I rather I rather talk to a Muslim. Ra talk to a Muslim. So, we're going to go ahead and increase that um that record.
You know what I'm saying?
So, that's that. What's up?
Hey, what's up?
Uh, okay. You're saying Islam is not logic, but Islam is talking about the same thing all the prophets previous talked about, which is worshiping one divine power, which is God, and everybody is created by him. And so that's what Islam is all about worshiping one God and follow their the the way of the prophets.
What's the problem with that? What's not logic with that?
>> Um can we can you show me how I can verify where where the previous prophets were saying the same thing?
Uh the prophet Muhammad is one of the chain of the prophecy that was sent before. So where you want this information from the books or document?
We have documentation.
>> I just want to know how I can verify this. Yeah.
>> By the documentations and history >> where >> what do you mean where you want you want me to read you some things? Yeah. What do you want? How can I verify this without documentation and history to >> I'm okay I'm okay with your response of documentation but I'm asking where what documentation >> uh all the books that came previous even in the Bible even in the Bible before the Quran even in the Quran today and other books that >> I'm want to verify Quran I'm not I'm not going to use the Quran to verify the Quran >> all right so that's why I'm I'm asking you what else I can bring Hello.
>> Hello. I didn't You're asking me this.
You're the one that said you made this claim that we can see what the previous prophets taught is consistent with Islam. Okay, fine. I'll accept your claim. But now I want you to prove it.
I want you to prove that this is true.
And my question is specific. I'm not done. My question is specific. How do I verify that your claim is true? that the previous prophets are consistent with the theology of Islam.
>> Okay. Uh first of all to answer your question, I have to understand what do you believe in? What religion?
>> Why does that matter?
>> That matters so I know how to answer you and bring up something you believe in to prove it to me.
>> No, I want something that would have evidence to verify that this is what the previous prophets taught. Where would you go for that?
Yeah.
>> What would you consider being evidence?
>> How would I know what to bring you? What documentation if I don't know what you want to bring something from your side, >> brother? Listen, >> your books, >> Abu Bakr, this is not this is not a sale. This is not like a a sale. Okay?
>> What you need to do is prove that Islam is objectively true, right? That your claim is objectively true. Meaning, it's not dependent on anybody else's belief as to whether this is true or not. Okay.
>> Okay. Good.
>> And I gave you an allergic answer which is >> So if that's true saying the same thing, if that is true, how can we objectively prove that Islam is in line with the previous prophets? What documentation can we see in order to prove that?
>> Okay, since you're not telling me what do you believe, so I bring it from your books. But now I'm going to give you >> there's no there's no way you you can see me on the screen, right?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. You're asking me what I believe, but there's something behind me. Do you see it?
>> Uh, I see it now. Yeah. Okay.
>> Okay. So, there's there's no there's no way >> that like to do you understand like me answering this question, >> it it's it's stupid for me to answer it to begin with when it's obvious.
>> You should have just answered the question and we skipped all that stuff.
Now, what I want you, but here's the problem, Abu Bakr. If you're going to base your response to my question based on what I believe, >> then it's going to present problems. I can already see it. But go ahead. Give me give me what you would say. Now that you know what I believe, give me what you would say. Go ahead.
>> All right. You believe in baby Jesus. I got you. So now, did all the prophets >> Don't you believe Don't you believe Jesus was a baby?
>> Huh? Don't you believe Don't you believe Jesus was a baby?
>> Yeah.
>> So why did you say you believe in baby Jesus? Like what?
>> You do too.
>> I'm just saying it just it sounded good.
What is it?
>> No, you just messed up on the joke.
Anyways, go ahead.
>> Uhhuh. Okay. So now, by the way, if you call him God, how was he and didn't know?
>> So don't change the topic. Don't change the topic. Eat and talk. Okay.
>> Don't change the topic. You need to you need to now prove because you're not going to run away.
>> No, I got you. I got you. I got you. I'm gonna just concentrate on >> Be a man. Be a man and do the thing you say you were going to do. Go ahead.
>> Right. That Jesus prostate and pray for God. He put his head on the ground and prayed for God.
>> So you're still not going to do that. So now you're not going to answer the question.
>> No, I'm going to answer your question.
This is the question. You're not That's not You're asking a question, Abu Bak.
>> I'm doing you what's comparing Jesus to Muhammad.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So once again guys, another victory because I ask, how can you prove that the previous prophets are consistent with Islam and he can't do it. So we're going to add another victory here. He can't do it. So what he has to do, the reason why he was asking what belief you are, well, first of all, he really didn't know what belief I was, even though it's very obvious. He didn't know because the critical thinking in in this person's brain is not very high as you can see.
Okay. And then when he finally knows >> I got three that he used that as an opportunity to change because he knows that if he goes to the only documentation that he can provide to answer my question. He knows he's going to run into some issues because if he believes this book is corrupted, how can you actually verify what the previous prophets taught as far as being consistent with Islam? He can't do that.
He doesn't want to go that direction.
That's why he's trying to change the topic. [snorts] >> Um, we'll give you one more chance, Abu Bakr. How can I verify that the previous prophets are consistent with the with the Islamic theology? Go ahead.
Because Muhammad uh the prophet of the Islamis he spoke of the same thing Jesus spoke.
>> How can I verify that?
>> If we go to your Bible and says >> is my Bible a reliable source [snorts] >> against you? Yeah.
>> No, I'm talking about is as far as truth at all. Can I believe everything that's in the Bible?
>> No. 5% is fine.
>> Okay. 5%. Okay. How do you know? How do you know what parts are true, what parts are not?
>> I'm going to tell you.
Jesus said to the woman after he was resurrected after three days, that's in your book, of course, don't touch me. I have not descended to my father and your father, which is he's telling her to go tell his disciples and my God and your God. Well, when I go to the Quran, I see almost similar verses that I am God is going to resurrect resurrect me or God is going to uh descent me to heaven. Uh let me read I'm trying to translate it in English. Wait a second.
>> 50k likes, guys, please. Uh 50k likes.
Appreciate it. No, actually, let's get to 60. 60K likes on TikTok.
Uh brother um how do you know those verses are not corrupted?
[clears throat] >> Why? Because it's a similar in the Quran. Jesus said that God is my God and your God. The >> Quran is the Quran the criteria here that we're using to decide which parts are true and which parts are not.
>> No, I'm using your books to compare it to what's in our Quran to tell you that >> but you said Muhammad came with the same thing with the same thing as you said.
You said that my book is 5% true and I asked you how do you know what parts are true, what parts are not and then you proceeded to bring a verse and I'm asking you how do you know this verse is not corrupted.
>> So you brought up John 2017. How do you know that verse is not corrupted?
>> Because he's saying that he's going to his God and your God.
>> And how do you know that verse is not corrupted?
Because it's obvious that he's saying that he has a god. Obvious to who? So, and the Quran is saying that how do you know the god of Jesus?
>> Obviously true. How do you know it's obviously true?
>> Because it's because it's obvious because it's because that's why. It's because that's why.
It's because that's why. That's why.
>> What's up?
>> Hello. Um, I just had a question. So, when someone not of the faith asks you to kind of to prove that Christianity is true, like what do you direct them to?
Because I have a hard time because I know the Bible is true. I know Jesus was real, but I I'm relatively new to the faith. And before I was I became a Christian, like I didn't even know that Jesus was a real person. Like I thought he was just like a fairy tale. Like but how do I like I someone asked me to prove that Christianity is true. I directed them to the Shroud of Turin and then they said, "Oh, 2009 they proved that it's fake. Scientists recreated it." And I'm like, like I don't think that happened. I didn't research it cuz this just happened. But like what? Like I don't I'm not really sure how to direct people to it because I've had it explained to me and I believe like I I know it's true but I don't like remember the explanation. I don't remember how I got here. You know maybe that makes me a little stern but I don't like I don't remember faith. You probably shouldn't have conversations. That's number one.
Okay. Uh, you can keep it simple, but if you're going to go in depth with somebody who is who is adamantly against the faith, >> you probably >> No, I am of the faith.
>> No, I'm talking about the person you're talking about.
>> Oh, right. Right. No. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, you probably shouldn't be having these in-depth conversations. You probably should direct them to other people who actually study this stuff.
You're asking how do I direct them? You understand this took this is years of studying that I am responding now to people's answers. So it would require the same thing for you, right? So you brought up the Shroud of Turin and in 2009 they said it was fake or whatever the case is. I don't think it was then.
I think it was earlier than that. But um but you would need to know what they're talking about and how to respond to it because there is a response. But that would require for you to do some studying, >> right? No, I'm just wondering like what should I study?
>> Stumped. If you get stumped on this, then what you should say is say, you know what, I don't know the answer to that. I'm going to go do my research.
And then what you do is you go do your research. Go study it. Go study what they were saying and find the answer and then go back and give them the response.
>> Yeah. No, I'm just wondering like what other cuz the shroud of turn isn't the only thing that can direct someone to Jesus.
>> Just look at the whole history of the of of the church and look at the whole history of Jesus on the cross. Like just start there and study it.
That's that's what I would say. I mean like there's M [clears throat] >> you know there's no easy answer like you you just have to do your studying.
>> Okay.
>> Have a good day. Bye.
>> Yeah, guys. It's not like [snorts] I I don't know. Was I mean, but it's it sounded like she was just kind of like bothered by that. Like if you're a Christian and you want answers to these questions, you should be looking at it yourself. like like this this idea, spoon feed me these responses, please.
What good is that for you? Like you got to you got to go you got to go strengthen your own faith.
You know, so just got to know these responses. Best way to do it is if you get stumped to go study. I mean, I used to do that. I used to be like, "Dang, I don't know the answer to that." and I'll go study it and then I'll learn something new.
>> What's up?
>> Hi. So, I just want to say thank you for what you're doing, spreading the awareness of the truth. Um, >> thank you.
>> But what didn't make sense to me, the guy that was on there before is that how are you going to use the the Quran as a reference when Jesus existed 600 years before the Quran?
>> Yeah.
>> Before Islam was even a thing. So, if you're using the Bible as a reference, >> I appreciate you. God bless you. Yeah, you're right. Absolutely right. Um, anyways, um, appreciate it, guys.
Request if you disagree, guys. Please.
Thank you so much. Request if you disagree. If you want help on specific questions, join my Discord. Discord link in the in the bio, okay? For both Tik Tok and YouTube, over,200 folks, we did a Q&A last night, a random Q&A in there.
That would have been a great place to ask these questions if you have questions. Okay. Uh if you want to go talk to Muslims that you hear talk on this panel here, um you can open up your own life and do that, you know.
[clears throat] That's all I would say. Um yeah, a lot of people have comments like try to turn stuff. I mean try to turn I think is a very powerful historical piece of evidence honestly. But you just need to know the the details of it because if you don't know like why it's significant, right? Then people can then stump you because they could bring an argument and you know, you'll be like, "Dang, I didn't know I don't know what to say to that." You know, got to do some studying. Got to go got to know what why this is true. What better way to strengthen your faith than go have people challenge you of your faith and go find the answers. That's a great way if you want to be challenged.
If you really want to get to the truth, put yourself to the challenge. You know, somebody's questioning your faith and you got to go find answers now.
So, you know, I like the shot, but it's not my number one argument. It's not mine either. It's not mine either. But it's not because I don't think it's a good argument. It's just I I'm just not a I'm not a scientist. I'm not, you know, Oakdale Curtis on Tik Tok.
Follow him. He'll he'll give you all the details. He's got like fi He's got like a file on his computer that's like, you know, a terabyte and it'll give you everything, you know? No, he won't give you everything, but you know what I mean. Like it's it's a it's a lot of research.
It's a lot of it's a lot of research, man. Like, so you got to know all this stuff, you know.
So, you know, do I run the tag argument?
Yeah, I run my I run a little tag a little tag argument.
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>> Uh you cannot have a Latino a Latina wife and be undefeated in debate. Breaks the laws of logic. That is true. That is true. Um, so but I'm talking about debates on TikTok, you know, not debates in real life. I've lost debates in real life, you know, especially to the wife, you know. What's tag? Tag argument. Tag argument is the transcendental argument for God. So it's arguing transcendentals to prove that there is a God.
You know, peace be cooking on her lives.
Yeah, she do. She do be cooking.
should do. Um, what's the best way to explain the trinity? Um, I mean, you know, three, like we're explaining who God is, what God is. Three who's, one.
That's super simplified. It gets to the point, you know?
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>> Yeah. What's up, bro?
>> Yeah. Are you By the way, are you Orthodox?
>> Yeah. What are you?
>> I'm Catholic.
>> Okay. You have a question?
>> Oh, no. I'm not I'm not even here to debate. I was just curious since you're uh it seems like you're debating uh the Judaism. Did you know that? So you see we obviously we both know that Jesus predicts the full of the temple the second temple >> right but actually in the Torah it records that 40 years before the fall of the second temple so right around when Jesus dies >> their sacrifices in the temple stopped being accepted by God.
>> Mhm.
>> Did you know that? So the way that they actually the way they actually record this is they say that every time they would offer a sacrifice to God a miracle would happen. multiple miracles would happen. One of the miracles was like they would have a a white a red cloth and it would literally turn white.
>> Mhm.
>> They said they would see this happen >> and it didn't turn white during those time period.
>> It completely stopped turning white. And they said that when it turned white, it was a signal. This was this is from the Torah, Jewish sources. They said that when it turned white, it was a signal that God was pleased with their sacrifice and it was like a sign that he he was forgiving their sins. And then it would that those miracles and there were other things that like strange things that happened in the temple right around 40 years before the temple was destroyed all recorded from Jewish sources.
>> Yep. Yeah. Um and just to clarify, brother, um yeah, there was the day of atonement that they would do that and it is true. There is some uh speculation from one specific rabbi, not all of them agree in the Talmud that would say that there were times to where it did not turn white, but it wasn't every single time. Um, but there were some times that this rabbi claims in the Talmud that it did not turn white. Um, so that would be that would support us in saying that these sacrifices are no longer accepted, but it wouldn't be a best place to argue from because it's only one rabbi that says that. So, um, but yeah, thank you, brother. God bless. I appreciate you.
Fair enough.
>> Thank you.
>> Um, [sighs and gasps] yeah. No, it's a good point. Uh for us it's it's a kind of like a fun thing for us as far as like um you know a Christian to look in their sources and see how we can find validation of what we believe within their own sources. Uh would I use that as an argument against a Jew? No.
Because it's even though there is an attestation to this, it's not going to be the strongest attestation against somebody who um doesn't believe in Christianity. It wouldn't be very strong. you would need something stronger, but for us as Christians, that's pretty strong for us, right?
Um, you know, that's what I would say.
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Inshallah, next summer, you're taking that private jet instead. Exactly, man.
That way, I don't have to worry about shipping this PC, [sighs] guys. So, I'm we're we're going for the summer and uh I got to ship over this PC. And guys, it is not easy to do something like that. It's not as easy as it sounds.
So, um, you know, I didn't anticipate the cost being like this. So, the option is uh and and this is how much I love you guys. Okay, the option is leave the PC for 2 months and just go back to the laptop and stream from there.
But then that would mean that the content that I've been working on to start releasing new type of content is going to be put on hold for two months.
I didn't want to do that for you guys. I didn't want to do that. I want to make sure that this thing we I keep working towards it so summertime we're releasing new type of content. Okay. So, I'm finding a way to bring it, but it is is it's going to put a dent in my pocket. It's going to put a dent in my pocket. But just know, okay, just know that I'm doing it for you guys because we you guys helped me get the PC and it would be to me um it would be completely I I would feel like I I did you guys a disservice that you guys helped us raise this money for this PC and then I had to put it on hold for two months. you know.
So, yeah, put the PC on the private jet.
I wish. I wish. Uh, shipping cost is going to be like around 300 bucks. So, um, to send it over. So, and then I got to bring it back, but that'll be in two months. We'll figure it out then. But, um, but yeah, no, it's going to be expensive, but, um, I got to make it happen. Even if it puts a if it puts a dent in my pocket, it is what it is. you guys help me get this thing and I'm going to use it to provide what we're talk what we're what we're going to do in the future and it's going to be such a blessing, man. Like I I seriously I'm so excited. I already have like a good foundation of the of the next video laid out and um it's going to be very professional. It's going to be very uh it's going to be edited really well. I mean, I'm just I'm learning I'm learning new style of editing right now and everything so that I can provide something more professional, you know, so I'm becoming an editor, okay? But I'm I'm doing it with this PC cuz we can do it now and we can make this thing happen. So, you know, um really appreciate it. We now need a mini PC fund when you travel. Yeah, I know.
It's It's crazy. I don't want to keep doing those those funds, though, man.
like you guys did enough bringing the PC. I'll I'll try to I'll take a hit out of my own pocket with the with it. But the other thing is it's not even just about the hit either financially. It's about making sure the PC gets there safe without breaking. That's the stressful part.
and making sure you're not overpaying because the reason why it costs this much is like the packaging, making sure it's safe and everything, you know, that's the biggest thing.
Be careful with the monitors and shipping. Yeah, I'm not even bringing the monitor. I'm leaving the monitor.
I'm bringing the PC and then um I have an alternative for a monitor when I get there. So, that's the cool thing. It's not going to be the best uh or the most ideal, but I'll deal with the monitor.
It's not about the monitor. It's about being able to do what I need to do with the editing. That's that's the main thing. So, I'll deal with that. Kora can humble you. What? Yo, it's so funny.
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Appreciate it, guy. Man, you guys are amazing.
You guys are amazing. But yeah, guys, uh this is the last stream here in Florida and then we'll be back in New York. I'll be in New York for like two months. So, um New Jersey specifically. Um so, we'll be streaming in another area.
Let's um let's make sure that let's make sure you guys are praying for us, okay? That this transition happens smoothly. Cuz when you're moving this much stuff, it can it can definitely be uh stressful and things can like one little thing goes wrong and it goes bad. You know what I'm saying?
So, we'll see how it goes and pray that the PC makes it okay.
peace. Please make it okay that they don't just toss this box around, you know.
So, uh, yeah, the PayPal should be in the description, I think, um, of the video, brother. I think I'm almost positive it's there.
So, you can go in there. You can do that. Thank you. And I appreciate that.
I'm praying that the Nick fans don't destroy the city. Yeah. Hey, we got a shot. We got a shot at winning at winning the uh the championship. Oh, it doesn't work. Okay. Um, can you say are you on Discord? Why does it not work?
Hold on. That should definitely work.
Let me see. Let me see. Let me see what's going on.
Oh, yeah. You're right. The link is not working anymore. I don't know why that is.
All right, I'm going to I'll fix it. Um, but if you have a Discord, uh, yeah, same. Uh, DM me on Discord. Bear the image and, um, I'll create a I'll create a specific link for that.
Or if you have like, uh, Zel or something, I'll send you to Zel.
So, anyways, um, yeah, thank you, Brian.
Appreciate that to go towards the shipping. That helps. Um, because I'm doing it today after this live. Um, all I'm all I'm doing right now is is figuring out how to take this I got to take like a piece apart from the PC that I can't trust to to travel with and pack it on my own and bring it with me and then the rest of it is going to get shipped over. So, we'll see. We'll see.
Um, I got about another 10 minutes or so and then I got to wrap it up.
And oh, we got a troll here.
What's up, dude?
>> What's up?
>> What in the hell is that number, bro?
That number is so fake. I at least beat you that many times, but no problem. How are you doing, bro?
>> Doing good. What's up?
>> Why are you a Christian?
>> It's the most logical religion.
>> According to who? And if it's most logical, does that mean that you should follow it?
>> Well, [snorts] uh, no, not necessarily.
But when I look at, um, the other religions, it it would only be true if there's a god, that it would be one god.
And out of the religions that all preach monotheism, it's the most logical one.
>> Okay. So >> the other ones are just one more thing.
Just one more thing. The other ones are they would present contradictions within their belief.
>> Sure. So just one more time so that I got clear. The reason that you are Christian is because it's the most logical monotheistic religion. Correct or incorrect?
Um no what I'm what I'm saying. Yeah, it's the most logical and because the a religion needs to be monotheistic.
If there's one that's logically sound and the other ones are not, then that's going to be the one that's true.
>> Okay. Um, what about not having religion at all? Did that did that get taken out of the list?
>> That's not logical either.
>> Okay, sure. No problem. I'll grant that given the fact that we are both Well, at least I'm a monotheist. You at that point, you're a polytheist. So, let's talk about Jesus.
>> No, no, no. Let's let's stay on this topic. I'll show I can show you how your your God is illogical.
>> Yeah. I was asking you why you were Christian. You responded because Christian Oh, my bad was getting cold. Okay, >> you responded because Christianity is the most logical. So, let's put that to the test. No problem.
>> No, I want to I want to show you how your god is illogical.
[laughter] >> You're so you're so used to presenting arguments. I don't think you're used to defending your faith.
>> Always go ahead, bro. Even though it's a clear Dutch, I'm going to give it to you.
>> How's this dodge? This is precisely the topic you brought up. You know damn well what's gonna happen if we if me and you get into metaphysics.
>> Okay, bro.
>> Don't worry. Go ahead.
>> All right.
>> Ask a question.
>> I'll just I'll just act like I'll just act like that was a valid statement to make you feel better. Um Okay. So your God is a uni personal a uni personal God. And you believe that your God is the most loving. Correct.
>> I believe that Allah is the most loving.
>> Okay. So question, who was he loving prior to creation?
>> Yeah. So no problem given the fact that love is an essential attribute and it's relational that therefore means that he doesn't need except to uh exceptep to ending to to exercise that love aka for example given the fact that I have the attributes that I can do 100 push-ups I could still do 100 push-ups that's going to be no problem even though I don't do it so not exerting the love is not going to be an argument as to not having such attribute >> yeah it it would be it would be present a lot of problems and here's why because the attributes are subsistent within his nature correct >> I agree >> okay >> with nature you're referring to essence correct >> mhm yeah >> yeah I know what I agree >> yeah and his essence is eternal correct >> his essence is eternal Allah is eternal we don't take the essence as a part to >> so the essence is not eternal >> no so when we're talking about the essence of Allah We don't divide it up as making statements per the essence that we don't make per the attributes when they're general. So for example, when we say Allah is eternal, that means Allah entirely is eternal. Allah is not composed out of parts that you could take out his essence and say, "Oh yeah, the essence is eternal."
>> I just need to know is Allah's essence eternal or not.
>> Yeah. I'm just responding to you. Allah has >> You're giving me all this stuff. We don't say this. We don't say. I just want to know is Allah's essence eternal >> teaching you basic metaphysics though.
>> I just want to know is Allah's essence eternal or not.
>> Yeah. So no problem. As I just responded to you I'll take that as another dodge.
It's like three dodges in a row. It's just you can say yes or no and expound.
I don't know if you knew that.
>> Go ahead. Go ahead. Is it yes or no? Is this essence eternal?
>> As I was say as I was saying. No problem. This is like basically me saying oh yeah how many gods do you have? This already assumes that you have more. answering the question.
>> Is he answering Is he answering the question? I'm I'm just curious. Put a one in the chat if he's answering the question. Put a two if he's not.
>> Tell me if you're tell me if you're done. I'll wait until you're done.
>> You want to see if I'm crazy.
>> No, he's not answering the question.
Yeah. Okay, good. All right. Um I'm going to ask the question again. Maybe you didn't hear it. Um is Allah's essence eternal? Yes or no?
So as [snorts] I was just saying when we're going to be responding to these questions we don't pick out the essence as a whole. So if you want to say Allah is eternal that means by logical definition. Yeah that means as a definition or as per logical definition the essence is also going to be eternal.
However we don't specify that we don't specify that individually.
>> So the the essence is eternal.
Beautiful. So if the attributes if the attributes subsist within the essence then the attributes would need to be eternal as well. Correct?
>> I agree that yes that the attributes are eternal.
>> Beautiful. What's your definition of eternal?
>> Definition of eternal.
>> Mhm. [clears throat] >> Without the beginning nor end.
>> Thank you. So and those terms right there are temporal terms.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. So that means something that's eternal cannot be measured by time.
Correct?
>> No, it can't.
Something eternal can be measured by time.
>> Yep.
>> Wow. Okay. So, give me an example of Allah being measured in time, please.
>> Yeah. So, no problem. So, Allah has not for example, you would agree that Allah doesn't love the kufur. He doesn't love the disbelievers. Correct?
>> Is that does that is that Allah the action?
>> Yeah. I'm ask I'm just asking you is Allah loving disbelievers. No, he isn't.
Allah does love believers. So him going from that point of loving a create of hating a creation to loving a creation is going to be a temporal shift.
Therefore, we could say that Allah acts in time and that when we say Allah is in time, this is going to form no problem given the fact that time is not a creation because it's a concept.
>> So time is not a creation, it is a concept. We'll deal with that in a second. Is so is there a beginning to his essence?
>> Nope.
>> Okay. [laughter] Is there an end to his essence?
>> Nope.
>> Okay. And then his act his actions, do they come from his essence?
>> Do they come from his essence? I don't know what that means.
>> What causes the actions?
>> What causes the actions?
>> Mhm.
>> Him using his attributes.
>> Okay. So and the attributes are subsistent within the essence. So the essence, right?
>> I agree that they are subsistent within the essence. But when you say that he acts with the essence, that's going to be a claim that you need to prove.
>> What brother? The actions come from his essence.
>> Are you okay? Are you choking or something? You good? [laughter] >> I was imitating you, boy. Go ahead.
>> Oh, okay. Anyways, yeah. So the actions come from the essence because they're caused by the essence, right?
>> Yeah. So when you're going to say this, I have no clue what you mean by that. So you're either going to need to specify and prove that claim or you're going to need to get to an explanation.
>> Everything in time has a cause. Correct?
>> Everything in time has a cause. Not everything in time. Everything except a necessary being has a cause.
>> Wait, so the actions of Allah don't have a cause?
>> Are you stupid? Did you not hear what I just said?
>> The actions of Allah don't have a cause.
>> Do the actions of Allah have a cause?
>> Wait, wait. Could you repeat?
>> Do the actions of Allah have a cause?
>> Hello.
>> Hello. Hello. Cuz you're not answering the question. This is like four times you don't answer the question.
>> You didn't action. Do the actions of Allah have a cause? Yes or no? And this is And this is where this is why this is why these conversations with you this is longer than would have normally last. Do the actions of Allah because of me crying you hurt.
>> Do the actions of Allah have a cause?
Yes or no?
>> My lord.
>> Do the actions of a cause have a Why?
Why are you not answering this question?
>> Actions of a cause. Do the actions >> Do the actions of Allah You're [laughter] not even repeating the question, right? Do the actions of Allah have a cause?
>> Dude, that's what you said. I was repeating what you said. You're messing up.
>> Hey, I'm going to mute you so you can hear me. I'm going to mute you so you can hear me. Do the actions of Allah Do the actions of Allah have a cause?
>> Yeah, my question was first. So, I'd like you to respond to that.
>> Holy crap, dude. Do the one more time or else we're going to end the conversation. Do the >> Are you going to respond to my question?
Then I'm going to >> Do the actions You can come back up if you're going to answer this question. Do the actions of Allah have a cause? Yes or no? Answer that question, man. Easy victory.
This is what happens. They just don't answer.
>> See you later, bro. Have a good day.
Easy victory. Thank you so much. So, here chat. So, you know what? Why he doesn't want to answer the question?
Because every time they do something like this, they know they're about to get stuck. This is what they do. They think people like him, they think winning a debate is just I can stall my way out of this. How long can I go before I get stuck? The longer I go without getting stuck, the bigger the victory. They think this moment in time that he did not get stuck is a win. And then once you're about to get stuck, to top off the win of the debate, you need to be able to avoid as best as you can and apply rhetoric as much as you can to make it seem like you weren't running away from the question. That's their version of winning a debate. That's literally what that is. So here's why he didn't want to answer the question.
Because if Allah's actions in time have a cause, what is that cause? The cause would be the attributes that are within his essence. Beautiful. If that's the answer to the question, then he needs to respond to this.
Did did Allah's essence go from not causing the action to then causing the action?
Because if that's the case, then there's a beginning to the essence making the cause, which would mean his essence has a beginning in some level, which would be a contradiction to what he said. That's why he didn't want to answer the question because he would get stuck. Easy victory.
Easy victory.
Watch. Watch him. Watch him come up and completely avoid it and bring rhetoric.
Here it comes.
>> My lord, these questions are bad.
So, could you not respond to my question?
>> See, didn't want to answer the question.
Did not rhetoric. Apply rhetoric. My god, these questions are bad.
Now, I'm going to avoid the questions.
Now, are you going to answer my question? [laughter] Did not have a response to anything I said. All he said was, "These questions are bad, but doesn't want to answer the question."
Exactly. Easy victory. Easy victory.
We'll count that as two victories.
We'll count that as two victories because hey, that one was easy. We We knew he was going to come up here and just waffle and avoid that. It's craziness. All right, guys. I do got to go. Thank you guys. Everybody for all the love. Thank you for the private jet Friday. Uh let me see if I missed any super chats. No, I got all the super chats. Everybody sending money guns. Shout out to Medi with the 2,000 coins. Um, with the I think that's four money guns. Uh, Frostbite with the three money guns.
Justin with the two money guns. I think I missed you on a money gun, bro. I I'm sorry about that. Here you go.
>> Thank you so much, Lambros. Thank you for the money gun as well. Triune Triple G, thank you for the money gun >> in the past. Thank you guys. Appreciate everybody showing love, guys. Pray for us as we are traveling this weekend. and we're going to be away for the summer.
All right. Pray that everything goes smooth, especially with the transition with everything. Um and then obviously peace got to bring her stuff and everything like that. So guys, pray for us. Uh really really uh pray that everything goes smooth um with these travels that we're going to be having and uh for the prep and everything. So thank you guys. Uh I appreciate all of you guys uh who's been showing love. Um really excited about the content we got coming in the future, man. So, uh, be on the lookout because it's going to be really, really exciting on what we're doing here with this PC, um, and, uh, the things that we have coming in the future. So, I really, really appreciate it. But anyways, guys, God bless every single one of you guys. Thank you. Don't forget to hit my wife a follow on Tik Tok. Go to my latest video, Peace Apologetics. She's tagged in it. Go ahead and hit her a follow. And, um, go ahead and hit her a sub on the YouTube as well. She is tagged in this video description. But, thank you guys so much. God bless every single one of you guys. In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit now and forever to the ages of ages. Amen. God bless.
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