From Hobosexuals to 50yr Old F*** Boys: The Great Exit

Added: 2026-05-26

[00:00:00]I posted about paying for intimacy and so many men couldn't handle it. That's what this woman said in the 2X chromosome subreddit. Trigger warning discussion of sex work. So, I'm just putting that out there. Not safe for work. Put on your headphones. All right.

[00:00:18]She says, "I posted about paying for intimacy. Let's see why men couldn't handle or what men couldn't handle."

[00:00:25]Let's check out her post. She says, "I posted about my experience using a male escort a few days ago on a subreddit where it was allowed. Ironically, I wasn't able to post in the adult service thread because the subreddit rules made it so you could only post about female escorts. Not to mention the general vibe of the subreddit made it like they were assessing the workers through a crude lens, and I didn't want to contribute to that. I focused on the logistics of it, how I found it, how I reserved, how much I paid, and what happened before, what the boundaries were, what the experience was like, while omitting any explicit details. I didn't include anything about the name of the escort in the shop, any crude details about the escort, how he performed, details on how his body looked, whether he was handsome enough, etc. I intentionally avoided making it crude because the person I met was a professional human being, not a prop in my story. I also didn't include any details on the escort so he wouldn't be identified which could cause him harm. I just wanted to share information about my experience because I knew a lot of people didn't know about this service and were generally curious. I was expecting a few curious questions, maybe a few comments about how gross it was.

[00:01:54]Turned out to be much more than that.

[00:01:57]All of the comments from the women were extremely polite, polite, friendly, respectful. Some praised me for my writing. Some shared their experience of being scared of using such services, but now um potentially wanted to try. Some were curious about the logistics.

[00:02:15]Everyone maintained the boundary I had set of not wanting to name the escorts in other details. Even if they didn't agree with X work, they were still respectful of my choices. Established that everyone involved here was human.

[00:02:30]Most of the men were polite in their comments, too. Genuine curiosity, expressing their awe at an experience they didn't know about, sharing their thoughts without making it weird. Yet a specific subset of men absolutely could not handle the post.

[00:02:48]Some complained that if a man wrote about paying for sex, he would be downvoted. But women in the comments pointed out the obvious difference. I wrote about the worker respectfully. I did not describe him like a body I had purchased. They couldn't understand that women in ex work have a long history of being exploited, abused, harassed. It may not necessarily be fair if they're using a professional service with boundaries, but there's a reason why it has been frowned down upon. They just saw a woman being praised for her writing and immediately whed about the whataboutism.

[00:03:27]One even called me privileged to be able to write um such experiences. Some insisted the post had to be an ad because apparently a woman having a good experience with a professional who respected her boundaries was too unbelievable to be real. I've never seen this happen in a post where a man um posted about a good time. Some desperately wanted to know why I would pay instead of dating as if dating is always a safe, pleasurable, emotionally fulfilling alternative for women. It was a cry of pick me instead.

[00:04:06]Some called me a [ __ ] They accused me of being an overweight foreign white woman in Japan who couldn't get any male attention. This is disgusting in two ways. They assumed that Japanese women are always reserved and submissive and would never pay for such things. They and they also assumed that white women were always so undesirable they had to pay for sex.

[00:04:32]Some offered me free services, which was probably the most revealing response of all. They heard, "I paid for a specific professional experience and somehow translated it into I am sexually available to random men on Reddit." I'm not trying to make this a debate about whether sex work is moral. I understand why people have concerns about exploitation, coercion, safety, legality, and labor rights. If you are against ex work, that is completely fine, and I understand. Please do not make this place a discussion about that though. What I want to talk about is the gendered reaction. Why does a woman paying for intimacy seem to provoke so much anger, suspicion, and entitlement from some men? There is an orgasm gap that doesn't get talked about enough.

[00:05:25]But if this woman is willing to pay for professional services and talk about it, that speaks to men saying that this woman is interested or has needs and wants pleasure. And when you think about sex in general, what these people talk about is getting an orgasm themselves, using women's body as a masturbatory tool. That is how they see women. So if you see this woman who's supposed to be a masturbatory tool going out and seeking pleasure for herself that that just doesn't compute in their brains because women are not here for that.

[00:06:02]They are here as a utility for men. And how dare this utility think that she's going to go off and get some some pleasure herself. That's not what she's here for. And of course, the thinking is why would she be paying for this when hey, I'll give it to her for free.

[00:06:22]That is exactly that's the only thing that's going through their minds. Why is this masturbatory tool paying for this?

[00:06:29]And hey, hey, I'm here. I'm here and I'm available for you. Let's look at some of these comments. We got Tay New Nub saying the negative responses are 100% incel responses. They can't handle that they are available, but women would choose to engage in a paid professional service instead of getting it from them for free. It's your fault they're lonely and not getting any intimacy. Jenny from the blog says, "Why would you go to a restaurant and pay for a steak when there is a hot dog lying right there on the ground for free?" And then cookie dough spoon says with pebbles and hair stuck to it. And then real turbulent moose says, "And it's like this hot dog here. This is the hot dog right there.

[00:07:18]Perfectly fine. Acceptable. Go ahead and eat it right on up."

[00:07:25]The Lost Ranger says, "Hot dog lying right there made me laugh out loud. I'm picturing a greasy pudge of a man saying it with Cheeto dust all over their shirt.

[00:07:36]Sex Mormon throwaway says, "Sure, you might have to brush off some pine needles, but it's free."

[00:07:45]Plastic Vita says, "This gave me a genuine out loud chuckle." EIA says, "I'm a totally available man who doesn't leave the house and hates women. Why would you pay when you can have me?"

[00:08:00]Exactly.

[00:08:02]Ecstatic says, "Available." Lol. They are celibate but don't want to be because they hate women and avoid society. It's so pathetic because I'm sure they do think of themselves as available even though they've done everything possible to make themselves unattractive while also putting zero effort into meeting women. They really believe being a man makes you entitled to sex with attractive women. They're all waiting for a model to track them down, break into their mom's basement, and have their way with them. and they're angry it hasn't happened yet.

[00:08:36]Where's my free sex with supermodels that I've done nothing to deserve?

[00:08:42]They will never believe that women cannot just have sex with whoever they want whenever they want. They also never think of the safety issue because it doesn't affect them. It's a safer choice to pick a professional with a history of good customer interactions versus a stranger you know nothing about.

[00:09:02]I agree with Advanced Buffalo saying, "You encroached on a space the men felt they have a monopoly over, a boys only club. All I can think is more posts like these, please. Let's disrupt their manly activities wherever we feel comfortable.

[00:09:18]I think I need to start a women's hunting club."

[00:09:23]And then um Duncan the wonderd dog says incelss typically hate the idea of ladies of the night and prostitution and think it's a way to take advantage of lonely men. So that is an angle that maybe some of us didn't think about because yes they could go out there and pay for the service but that would mean that they yeah actually value a woman enough to spend that money and they think that they should get it for free for some reason. All right, y'all. I thought this was different. I haven't seen anything like this before. So, go ahead and weigh in and let me know what you think. Okay, we have a homosexual alert. A homosexual alert. Okay, so truthfully though, this was just a potential homosexual. But let's look at this post. She says, "Am I overreacting for telling my boyfriend he can't move in if he won't help with child care?

[00:10:17]Doesn't exactly sound like a hobo, or it could. um he is trying to move into her spot, but regardless it's alarming because she has two kids. They're six and four. She's 29 years old, and Mark is trying to move in with her. Okay, let's check this one out. She says, "I'm a 29year-old single mom with two kids, 6 and four. I've been dating my boyfriend, Mark, 31, for almost a year. And recently, he brought up moving into my apartment when his lease ends next month." Hold on. That does sound familiar. This actually does sound like a stage 2 hobosexual. The soft launch roommate. He's spending five to six nights a week at your place because it's closer to work. He hasn't moved in, but his gym bag is in the corner and his toothbrush is on the counter. This part right here. He starts mentioning that his lease is up soon or trying to save money. He's justifying why he shouldn't renew his own lease. So, this is the soft launch. he is trying to move in on her space that is a potential um hobosexual.

[00:11:23]All right, back to her story. She says, "At first, I was excited because we spend most nights together already, but when we started talking about how things would work, we hit a huge issue. I told him that if we live together, I need some help with the kids here and there.

[00:11:38]not financially, but simple things like helping with bedtime if I'm cooking, watching them for 20 minutes while I shower, or occasionally picking them up from my mom's house if I'm stuck at work. He immediately said, "I'm not trying to play stepdad and that child care is not his responsibility." He said if he moves in, he'll pay part of the rent and that should be enough. I told him I'm not asking him to replace their father, but if you live with someone who has kids, you can't act like the kids are just random roommates. I said, I don't feel comfortable living with someone who refuses to help at all. And because of that, I don't think moving in is a good idea anymore. Now he's upset and says I'm changing the deal and punishing him for having boundaries. A couple of his friends even messaged me saying I'm expecting too much from a boyfriend. If that is the case, then they need to break up. They should not be um boyfriend and girlfriend. She has these kids. These kids are not going to go anywhere. He wants to have her. He wants to have her space, but he doesn't want them around. Okay, that is his boundary. He needs to find someplace else to live. But also, this mom is always going to be a mom. These little kids are not going anywhere anytime soon. So if he did decide to stay in her life, the kids are going to be part of the deal. So he should go and live with one of these friends who's messaging her and stay with them because it is his boundary and that is his right to not do anything to look after kids. He needs to pair up with someone who is not a mom and then he will never have to look after a child. That makes sense to me.

[00:13:24]and also um get your own place. So, she asked us if she's overreacting. No, she's not overreacting. These two are probably not aligned. They probably should not be a couple. He's trying to move in within a year anyway. That's obviously too soon. If they if they are going to remain a couple, they need to just stay separate, see each other every now and then, and then go back to separate spaces. So, what do you think about this? Let's go ahead and check out check out some of the comments. I was tagged in this several times yesterday.

[00:13:57]So, Slippery Hope says he'll pay part of the rent and that's enough. I'm going to bet he'll also fall on the side of you are already doing the dishes. What's a few more? You do the housework so much better than me and you are already doing it all before I moved in. OP, don't let this red pill child move in with you.

[00:14:16]Your instincts are totally right. It's unfortunate that so many men like this exist, but thank goodness these days they don't feel the need to hide it anymore. Keep the relationship if you think you need to, though I suspect his widow tantrums or mantrums um over this will end it anyway. But don't let the dude move in and use you, please. He's showing you who he is. Believe him. And when you get to the point of leaving and he suddenly realized he needs to lie and pretend to be the person you need or want, remember the true self he showed you just now. That is who he is. He might say stuff like, "Okay, okay," and agree to watching the kids periodically.

[00:14:58]He will say the things. That doesn't mean that he will do the things. Do not let this man in your house. Then novel art says, "Seems like he wants you but not your kids." As a single mom, this is not someone you are compatible with.

[00:15:14]Petty Yeti Spaghetti, absolutely love that name, says the fact that she isn't seeing the massive red flag regarding her kids is scary. He clearly has no interest in the kids, won't even watch them while she showers, but she wants to move forward with the relationship. If it was just a fling, that wouldn't be a problem, but she wants to move someone into her house that can't stand her kids. Those poor kids are going to grow up feeling uncomfortable in their own home. We got Majerry Mohei saying it's also very scary to me that she's not seeing the red flags of having his friends contacting her to get involved.

[00:15:50]Like what the actual f? What sane rational person accepts that his friends are bullying his girlfriend? Red flags.

[00:15:58]Red flags. Gino Flower says the friend's messaging is weird af. They are adults.

[00:16:04]Why are his friends even involved in this? He doesn't want to be involved with her kids and he's having his friends message her. Red flags everywhere. All year Swift says, "My suspicion is that he hasn't lined up new accommodation. If she's not taking him in, he may end up crashing on their couch. Suddenly convincing her becomes a rational act. I would never message a friend's partner like this. I might check in if they're okay if my friend is ridiculous, but that's all. OP is underreacting to, "You shouldn't expect basic human decency from your partner."

[00:16:39]Bubbly positive says, "I'm sure it's a coincidence that he wants to move in right when his lease is about to expire.

[00:16:47]Love just works that way." And it's totally not a red flag that his friends are willing to shame his girlfriend into housing him and are not offering to welcome him into their homes. This is a grown dude. Um, go get your own place, dude. Uh, but we got oidentally in love saying classic hobosexual behavior. I hope OP wises up before it's too late.

[00:17:10]I'm so glad that so many people are clocking this as homosexual behavior.

[00:17:16]That is how they get in. This is the reason why we have to continue to talk about this. So, you know, their strategies because clearly their strategies, they pretty much say stay the same. That's the reason why people can clock them. And then December Violet says, "Yeah, and did you notice he said he would only pay part of the rent?" CJ right here down at the bottom is another person tagging me in saying he wants a place to live for cheap and a bang made.

[00:17:45]Safe selection says he wants cheap rent and more convenient access to sex.

[00:17:50]Absolutely. Grand relative says and for her to do most of the housework. She'll already be cooking and cleaning regularly because she has the kids. We got Susie Brook saying what a sweet deal for him. For the low low price of a little rent, he gets a home, a chef, housekeeping services, female companionship, and all he has to do is ignore the children who live there. And then Jabibby says, "For the low, low price of a little rent, he gets a home, a chef, housekeeping services." Oh, this man is not going to pay any rent. Notice that his lease just conveniently ended.

[00:18:26]He tells her that he should move into her house. That is classic. That's a classic homosexual move. Next, he'll conveniently lose his job and stop paying rent. This is such a frequent thing that we could pretty much write the script.

[00:18:44]Trick yellow says, "I'm thinking he was evicted, hasn't paid his current roommates his portion of the rent or lost his job, and he has left these facts out from telling her. Something smells fishy about his friends desperate to keep this loser house at OP's expense. But the thing is, if he's desperate to live in her space, he should be willing to do what she says, but he's unwilling. So that means that he deserves to land on the pavement.

[00:19:12]Jabibby says that part, the fact that his friends are pressuring a single mom to house him is a massive red flag. He's a bum. Keep saying these words. Share these things. Talk about these things to your friends. Talk about these things to your daughter, your little cousin, your younger sister, your auntie, and your granny. Because yes, homosexuals come at any age. Talk about this stuff so that people recognize the story because the story pretty much stays the same. They stick to a script. All right, y'all. Let me know what you think about this one. I was tagged in this post that explains why the dating market isn't just crashing, it's being abandoned. This woman posted in the Gen X women subreddit saying, "Am I the only one that is sick of dating 50year-old FB boys? She started this discussion and it's amazing that they are half a century years old and still just can't get right." And the women, they are just saying, "Nope, get someone else to do it. Peace out." Let's look at this very short post and all of the post that I mean sorry all of the comments that come after this. She says, "How do grown men have a roster of women they rotate for validation by 50? Shouldn't you be over this type of behavior? Sincerely, Kristen. Gen X Fim Health." So, this is this is the Gen X generation and it just seems like they're tired. So, Julia Peculiar says, "I think you would appreciate this thread." And it's so wild that so many women of all ages are just saying, "I am done." Let's look at some of the comments. Before that, grab your beverage, get you a coffee. Here's one on me.

[00:21:02]All right, so we got Bookies Book Club saying, "I decided to desenter men after my last relationship with Kaput. I should have done it sooner. And by sooner, I mean in my 20s. And then upvote but no comment says, "I have not dated, had sex, had any intimacy or I'm sorry, intimacy emotional or otherwise since I was 30." Decentering is the word for it. And different people um will say desentering is something else. I do not use desentering as a way to completely get rid of men, but I do know that some women do use it that way. So, I'm just putting that out there. When I say decentering, I mean they are not the center of your life. You're still the center of your life, even if you have men on the outskirts. So that's just the difference in how I use it and how they're using it. But let's continue.

[00:21:55]Sorcha Royson said, "At 32, I plan to take a year off from dating. I was so happy without men's crap. I'm still on that break 23 years later." And then we got Frosty Leather saying, "Lol, same.

[00:22:08]Decided at 34 I was going to stay single until I can make better choices with men." She says, "Now I'm 52. It turns out single was the right choice." The fact that so many of these women have gone a decade or more without dealing with these dudes, and they're still happy, and they haven't chosen to even try again. Shows how much they are unwilling to let these men disturb their peace.

[00:22:35]Organic Bug says, "When is more peaceful and less stressful without them, it makes sense. Guys must not have figured it out that they need to treat people better or they won't be around and they too will be alone." We got up vote but no comment saying, "That's me. Took some recovery time and really liked it." We got Fearless Pride saying, "I did the same. My plan was one year. Several years later, I haven't returned to dating. life is so much better. An organic bug again says the dating pool for men um must be getting smaller and smaller. I almost feel bad for them. I don't feel bad for them at all. They are pushing women to this because at some point women have or usually do want a partner of some sort. Um whether it's marriage or not, children or not, they want to pair up. But once they see how they are being treated or how others are being treated and how these scripts are the same and they're not changing, these women are just like, "No, it's not worth it." And these women are in their 40s and 50s. But it's crazy when the younger women are giving up so soon. And a lot of them are giving up simply because they are observing what's going on around them. Little dog Turpie says, "I don't use the term desentering men because it feels too much like I'm giving them credit for having started out at the center by default. I'm centering my own peace and fulfillment as it should always be." I do like I I like what she said. I'm centering my own peace and fulfillment. That absolutely makes sense. What makes you happy? What are your values? What do you want to build your life around? I like little dog turppies term right there. JHR Christ says, "Yes, I like that a lot."

[00:24:27]Similarly, I don't think men have ever been at the true center of my life other than people's perception and opinion of me in general would be more accurate, but I understand the term is catchy and gets the point across quickly and really resonates with tons of folks. It just doesn't feel quite accurate for me, and that's fine. I like the concept regardless. I absolutely like the concept as well. It helps people understand. It helps people understand to not have them at the center of their universe.

[00:24:59]Exceptionally prosaic says, "Self-centering doesn't sound right though." We have specialist Teach saying, "Same here. After my last relationship ended 2 years ago, I decided that was it for me. I'm focused on me, my fitness, and my finances. I'm so much happier and truly peaceful. My only wish is that I had done this sooner because I can only imagine where I would be now. We got bookies book club saying, "I joined a gym. I'm en indulging in creative projects. I do a lot of writing mostly for my blog and with it getting warmer. I plan to try new coffee shops, restaurants, art galleries, etc. in my city." We got Intrepid Hat saying, "Same. About 12 years ago, I gave up men, got a dog, and I've never been happier. I'll never date again.

[00:25:51]Testy Coyote says, "Sounds gross. I'm happy on my own. Looking at listening to the Gen X guys I know. I have zero interest." Crazy cat lady rookie says, "I am deeply disappointed in the male cohort of our generation."

[00:26:07]Midsummer's Garden says, "Uh, they were all raised on those [ __ ] '8s videos of women prancing around in lingerie, basically with the idea that we're here to look sexy and serve." Whether you're married, have an ex, or out there dating. Every over 50 male right now essentially thinks he should be living in a white snake video when he's out dating. Even the nicest Gen X guy out there has underlying predatory sexism.

[00:26:36]So keep your boundaries, ladies. I don't know White Snake. This is not my genre of music in the 80s. I was back there listening to Michael Jackson and um Prince and whatever else the my parents were listening to the Gat Band and all of that Shaka. So, but this is White Stick the hair bands. Oh my goodness.

[00:26:57]And here's the sexy babe that's sitting up here rolling all over cars in her lingerie. So she said that this is what these men expect.

[00:27:08]Financial crisis. This made me laugh and I agree with you. My husband grew up salivating over those videos and was a huge Mly Crew fan in his youth. He still talks about how sexy music videos were in his formative years, explaining them in great detail because I didn't have cable and MTV growing up. Now he is a feminist and punk rock, but he has severe mental health issues that negatively affect me on a daily basis.

[00:27:36]He blames perry menopause for my lack of sexual desire, even though I've explained to him in two dozen different ways that it has nothing to do with my hormones, but everything to do with his messy brain and behaviors and how I am generally tired of being a vessel for men. He's moving out this way this week, I'm sorry. And I couldn't be happier and more relieved. I'm just so completely over men and the old-fashioned idealism and childhood fantasy expectations for women. So, she's 45 to 49. Midsummer's Garden says, "I completely understand.

[00:28:13]If you can't train it out of them, you got to rehome." She's saying rehome in terms of a husband. She says, "I'm still married. I spent 30 years setting boundaries with my husband, so he's cool now with me at least. I can guarantee you he acts like a dog around his friends because he's 54 and they're all the same under their exterior. I have more male friends than female, especially since I'm in music. But I treat them like I might treat a pitbull I had to adopt. I love the dog just fine as long as his natural BS stays dormant around me and others. Czech affectionist says, "If you can't train it out of him, you got to rehome." and then laughed.

[00:28:56]Here's the OP saying, "I've never considered rehoming until now." Crazy cat lady rookie says, "I think a whole bunch of them have regressed and adopted our boomer father's mindset, too. The ones who migrated into the red pill manosphere are the ones that scare me the most." We got Bin Coupe saying, "I have these theories. One is that men reach middle age and think they are awarded gravitas. No, your opinions are still dumb, Scott.

[00:29:25]The other is that they progress through middle age. Um, they freak out as they lose relevance and then they get louder and angrier. So they she said, "No, your opinions are still dumb, Scott. It could be Eric, Brandon, Travis."

[00:29:43]And then crazy cat lady rookie says, "At the end of the day, the lack of personal growth and insight is mindbending. Y'all wait." So, I started talking to this young lady, right? And as soon as I got her Instagram, all her highlights, I swear on my life, bro, every single highlight was a different country, a different location.

[00:30:05]Crazy. Like different places. And and she's a nurse. If you know, you know. But once I saw that, that was already like a red flag kind of for me.

[00:30:16]So, I'm like, damn. Like I'm not I don't I'm not taking nobody serious anyway.

[00:30:20]That's the best.

[00:30:21]>> So let me get this straight. A woman who likes to travel, a woman who has hobbies, a woman who is a nurse, all red flags. I think the red flag here is your jealousy. There seems to be this epidemic of men who don't like seeing women being happy. They don't like seeing women being successful. And I I never really understood why. Also, if you're not looking to take anyone serious, you should not be dating anyway. Just stay single.

[00:30:50]>> Mommy. Oh.