The NEET phenomenon (Not in Education, Employment, or Training) affects approximately one in eight young people aged 16-24 in the UK, representing a significant economic and social challenge. This issue stems from systemic failures in capitalism, including the cost of living crisis, precarious employment, lack of affordable housing, and the erosion of social support systems. The phenomenon is not merely a moral failing of young people but rather a predictable consequence of an economic system that prioritizes profit extraction over human well-being. Capitalism requires a reserve army of labor to maintain worker discipline, which contributes to the NEET phenomenon. The solution requires addressing structural economic issues rather than blaming individual youth, as the system itself creates conditions that make traditional employment pathways increasingly difficult to access.
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Yo, how's it going, guys? Hey, look at that. You see that there?
>> Got a spec bean farmer. How you doing?
>> Hi there.
>> Hi guys.
>> How's it going?
>> I'm going to be here. I'll be just here, but I'll be in full view when I get angry. So, that's okay.
>> This is my relaxed position. Yeah. You have no idea what's on the thing tonight.
Um >> uh so we're talking about uh father and how they should take their sons on holiday more.
>> I'm up for that discussion. Shall we have it abroad? Let's jump on in.
>> Good. You jumping in, Specs? Let's go.
>> Let's go. Yeah, Specs. We'll go. We'll >> We shall resume this stream in Costa del Stoned as fuck on a beach somewhere.
>> I love that place.
>> Somewhere where it's too hot to walk in your bare feet. So, you you have to look for the white lines to tread on because they're not as hot as the rest of the road. That's Or to me.
>> The rest for the rest of us, we just wear shoes, Dad. We just wear shoes or pops or >> Oh, that's an option, isn't it? Yeah.
No, I'm all for earthing myself now. Um, grounding myself >> and I feel better for it.
>> Allow me to Allow me to allow me to let me say as a species, one of the worst things we did to separate ourselves from separating ourselves from nature was to wear shoes with thick soles and stuff.
So, you don't you're not feeling the ground. You're not part of the fucking planet anymore. you've we insulate ourselves away from the planet. And if anyone is feeling a bit fucking wound up or whatever, I I challenge you to go out um take your shoes off and walk in the grass somewhere. Um just somewhere nice, have a walk in the grass and and feel how see how good you feel afterwards.
It's it's really good. It really is. So that >> I would do that, but there's there's there's a 50% chance I'll step in either >> sheep shit or a needle. So I'd rather not >> needles >> or worse sheep shit in a needle, which is a thing I've heard they're doing the kids are doing nowadays. Um >> smoke anything, won't they? Fuck it up.
>> They're terrible, aren't they? So I just wanted to do this as well. SO AT THE VERY START, >> kicking us off. We should have done this, but we forgot. So given us in with the raw, the first one in at the right time, not to be confused with the first one who was actually in was Jillian. She was in there.
>> She was half a day early.
>> And I'm glad you're awake for it. Uh and yeah, so Jim got the points there. He got the the 10. Jillian got the five.
Also in at 31. In fact, you know what?
I'm going to give you you both got in like the exact same time. So I'm going to give it you both joint 10 points there. And M can get second with the five.
So, someone, anyone, please update the scoreboard while we're live. Hello, Lobster. How you doing? It's good to see you in here. We were just talking about you today, actually, saying how I need to get you in the Discord.
>> Uh, Michael showed us a meme that you made of him.
>> Oh, I can do that actually. Let me do that now. I can get um lobster link Discord.
>> Oh, brilliant. Absolutely fantastic. Um, do you know what? Or we can give everyone a link to the Discord. We can even chuck one out in the chat right now. So I'll do that as well. Good job there, dude.
>> Um, so we'll copy that.
>> What are you doing? I'm trying to hit barefoot shoes, right? Uh, cuz >> Oh, like the the weird toe shoes.
>> Well, no. They've got shoes now that they've got like an earthing strap on them and it touches it comes into contact with your foot underneath, I think. And then the earthing strap also runs round into the sole so it earths you >> a rivet through the do the same thing.
>> Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. Put a rivet in it through your foot.
>> Yeah.
>> Rivet your foot.
>> Well through your foot. But you know like cuz people not smooth so I wouldn't like I'm saying like you know give your feet the stigmata or something but like >> I mean yeah because >> you could of course take your shoes off you know and and do it the oldfashioned way if you want to spend an extra 70 pound or whatever >> per foot to be honest but yeah >> when you talk about like barefoot shoes this is kind of what I'm imagining. in >> have a look for earth in shoes. So, uh, oh, those this big picture there. That's excellent.
>> I've seen I've seen some dude made a video where he he did like a whole I think.
>> Yeah.
>> He did a whole He was like, "You send me your shoes and I'm I'll give you the, you know, the ability to stealth earth basically."
>> Stealth Earth. That's it. That's That's what they are. These other ones. Um, you're not going to look, are you? Did you look?
>> I am right now. See, they they were the ones I thought you were on about with like the toe ones with the individual >> like these ones. Yeah.
>> I don't like that.
>> What is it? Like what would you call it?
Like an earthing wire. Are you being earth >> shoes? Yeah. Yeah.
>> I'll just put earth and then >> earththing shoes.
Oh, this is getting exciting, isn't it?
So, earththing shoes are I can't even I'm trying to drag me mouse across your thing.
Sorry. Where was it? Where was it?
>> Let's have a look.
>> Oh, come on.
>> You know what? Let's go to Let's go to AI. Let's see what the uh the amazing AI has to offer for us today.
>> Yeah. Barefoot verse earthing. See, there is a thing.
>> Yeah.
>> I can't read it. Can you jiggle it up a little?
>> I can. and barefoot shoes versus earthing shoes. While they're often grouped together in wellness communities, they serve as two distinct primary functions. Remember that, boys and girls. So, uh uh let me see the feature standard barefoot shoes against earthing grounding shoes. The primary goal is to restore natural foot biomechanics.
And the other one, Earththing, says it transfers Earth's electrons to the body.
You've got to be a bit careful now. I don't know what 11 1.14 is. It's not a >> That's not a religious reference, is it?
No.
>> No, I think that's the AI hallucinating.
>> Okay.
>> Not. It might also be a reference to sources and things. Um, but uh I just want to point out that it would be >> Yeah, maybe it would be quite funny if it was uh it' be like oh you know transfers earth electrons to the body Leviticus 1.114.
Yeah. So the sole material on the standard on the standard barefoot shoes they're the standard rubber or TPU insulators.
On the earth shoes, the grounding shoes, we've got copper, copper plugs, spark plugs, conductive carbon or raw leather.
Oh, raw leather will do. Okay.
>> The sle sole design uh for the standard barefoot shoes, you get a wide toe box is always essential. Uh zero drop and highly flexible. That doesn't mean a lot, does it? But the earth grounding shoes can be flat, but they do require a conductive path. I don't mean don't know if that means you've got to have like a come on a copper fucking path down your garden or they need a conductive path okay to earth I guess but so the earthy ones are absolutely about transferring earth's electrons to the body um >> I'm sure I'm sure our scientifically minded people will have a bit of fun with that um I think it just discharges you honestly say it's a it's a see Michael say it's a vol. Do you think it's a voltage you receive >> or I feel I mean I feel means nothing really. It's just I feel but I feel that like this kind of builds up and builds up. So I thought I was taking on voltage and that voltage was kind of giving me a making me feel a bit woozy. So when I went and and walked barefoot and stuff that was Michael, I fucking hate you sometimes. So that would earth it and drop all that thing off me. Do you know what I mean? I bet nobody else has done this. They everybody thinks I'm mad.
>> I think I think like you got like if you're working on electronics, you got to ground yourself. So like and you can do that by simply just like touching a radiator, right? because you will build up a static charge on you >> like just having >> you know >> like clothing rubbed together and shit like that, right? So you all you need to do is like touch a a a grounded thing normally like people say a radiator because they normally connect you to the earth somewhere.
>> So if you touch that it'll discharge you like in fact if you if I wish I had a balloon right now because you could do the thing where you rub it on red and then touch the radio everything just goes >> and your hair is perfect for that as well. You've got that main as well.
>> When you touch when you touch the radio, you are moving fucking ions and shit about, aren't you? You know, um >> yeah, but if like so the pipes go straight into the ground as well. So, it is earth, isn't it? It comes from water pipes which are, you know, directly into the ground and that. So, I just wanted to to bring your attention here and maybe I shouldn't, but I just thought I' just it's just the AI overview. Um but here's what they've got to say. So my opinion, I just want to give you my take quickly though, is that I think that it's more of a psychological thing in the sense that like I believe that grounding yourself has very good sort of quote unquote spiritual effects if you're into that sort of thing. Um it makes you feel more connected.
Absolutely. You know, it's physical connection. I totally hear that and I think it's great to to connect with the earth that way. This here though, not in a bad I'm not trying to dismiss it either. But it says that, you know, shoes uh grounding shoes essentially um allow the body to physically connect with the earth's natural electrical energy through conductive materials like copper rivets or carbon woven into souls.
>> Right?
>> That sounds not great to walk on. Uh whether they work is heavily debated. Uh while many users report better sleep and reduced inflammation, science uh evidence is inconclusive and relies on small or preliminary studies.
So, I've genuinely felt um I genuinely felt like a a bit of a an uplift. I felt uh the morning after I I felt uh I'd catch myself fucking whistling or or singing or whatever. Um but I hadn't done for weeks. Stuff like that. Not a not a massive difference, you know? It's not going to change your life completely, but it might help.
>> Yeah.
>> Might help.
Just take your shoes off when when you get the chance. Especially now it's summer.
>> Take your shoes off and walk across some grass. That's all >> and it hurts.
>> Um grass.
>> Just be nice to the planet. It loves you really.
>> That's the main thing. Should we uh So >> I was Oh, sorry. Did you have something to say on that? Sorry.
>> No, no, no. Crack on. Let's go.
>> I was going to say I'm just Yeah. Yeah.
Let's Let's have a look. So, I'm just going to find out a link now, but I think uh earthing into one side. Should we jump into um >> Yeah, absolutely. Right, let's get this done. We'll do some >> Yeah, now we're fully grounded and we know what we're we're on it.
>> Oh, and just in time as well because we are being joined by >> also.
Pardon?
>> Oh, ignore me, Dad. Ignore me. Here is Katie. I'm sorry.
>> It's Katie.
>> I'm sorry, Dad.
>> Hi, Katie. Good to see you.
>> Hello everyone.
>> Hi.
>> Hello.
>> Just in time as well. Do you have any comments on uh grounding yourself with Earth shoes because you um you have actually quite a a background in uh >> scientific medical sphere.
>> Katie, I feel like I know what it is, but I don't want to dox you too much. But you are you've got a lot of intelligence in a spec in a lot of where you've studied.
So um what's your what's your take on earth shoes? Did it work?
>> Yes.
>> I >> prompting >> I do apologize. I was I was just talking to my neighbor there. I've I've missed parts missed part of the stream. I do apologize.
>> Don't worry about it. Honestly, don't worry. We've only been going on for you know we've only gone on 10 minutes to talk. We were just talking just before we move on to the headline rundown and get into the the the you know the whole bulk of the show and that. Um we were just discussing dad brought up uh earththing shoes and I was wondering with like a medical background uh do you have any uh any do you think the earth shoes work?
>> So like I'll show you the kind of things we're looking at.
>> If they're natural rubber they're good insulators and they they act as a grinding agent. So see you were to be struck by lightning, they would that it would go through your go through your body and stuff and it it would terminate in the sort of earth and shoes, natural rubber, certain types of soil that have been compressed and molded into like sort of footwear. They do they do work.
They do work.
It just depends on the rest of the your your body and stuff. Oh, we see I wasn't thinking I mean I wasn't thinking of um surviving fucking lightning strikes. I was thinking it was just like >> um electricians have rubber sold because they with electricity. So it it helps >> these these earthing shoes have um they have either like graphite graphine or what you know or or even copper somethings wound into them. So they genuinely earth you. They your foot is genuinely electrically earth to the planet. That's the point of it because I taking your shoes off and walking barefoot, but these shoes are a dear way of doing the same thing.
>> You see, now I'm uh it's one of those things now. See, I don't I'm a bit of an idiot and I don't understand this. So are you more protected wearing rubber shoes or barefoot? I can't figure if it's safer to be struck by lightning in >> you. You don't want to be grounded during a lightning strike.
>> That's what I'm thinking, isn't it? So, technically, I mean, not only is it I mean, it might spiritually connect you, but it will fry you if you get >> Oh, yeah. You'll get >> it. Depends on you can, >> right?
>> You can completely coat yourself in rubber and it'll act as like a distributor, but you you're you're still going to get certain amounts of damage.
The human body is frail and strong at the same time.
>> You better >> The human body makes no sense.
>> You better put your ass in the air, right? And not touch the ground with your hands >> because you don't want the lightning to pass over your heart. You want it to go straight down your legs and into the ground.
>> Fucking don't. Honest. I'd rather it just slide my head. I I um if you're gonna get hit by lightning, >> don't want to survive.
>> Yeah, >> I think you probably >> I've probably been struck by lightning in the past and never realized.
>> I meant fright, but okay.
>> I mean, I I've been close to a lightning strike once. Very close. Uh luckily I was wearing my wellies. I was fishing when I was a little lad and there was a lightning strike directly across and it's only a little river but directly across this river from me just fucking dumped me on my bum and everything the shock of it blinding white and everything but um I haven't been Yeah. I can't claim to have been hit by one.
>> No, that must be something else. Fucking hell.
>> There was that one dude. Did you hear about like the like Okay. Okay. So, last thing we do before we go on to the headlines, but we I really do want to show you this.
>> Okay, next one.
>> Have you heard about the world's most unlucky guy?
>> Like the most unluckiest man in the world.
>> Like, did he get divorced and then get instantly hit by lightning?
>> Like multiple times. Swallowed by a whale.
>> Uh, modern day Jonah. Fantastic. the modern day they're shown here, >> right? So, we're Okay. Okay. So, we're looking at this is the story of Michael Packard. He was a commercial lobster diver and he was swept into the mouth of a humpback whale in uh Provincetown, Massachusetts. Spent 40 terrifying seconds trapped in the whale's mouth before it spam out to the surface.
>> 40 seconds.
>> Yeah.
>> Holy moly. By that time, you'd be thinking, "Oh, I'd have I've had my chips." Would you Yeah. You'd be like by 40 seconds. You'd be thinking, "This bloke, this whale is just swallowing me.
>> I'm going down.
>> I'm going."
>> 40 fucking seconds.
>> Yeah.
>> Sure.
>> Just wow.
>> The whale opens a little bit of t sauce and just, you know, goes to town.
I wonder if the whale was waiting to see if you know that if you suck on it, the flavor had changed. You know, like those big gobstoppers you used to get.
>> You stick with it.
>> Oh god.
>> I was just having a look now. So I've had a look. So the swallowed by the whale story is 100% real. The multiple counts of lightning strike unfortunately is a myth. It's not the same guy. Well, no, fortunately >> because you know uh we didn't want this this dude to have had that. And he's seen him get smacked by lightning multiple times as well.
>> I know, right?
>> Whale.
>> This is the thing. So, he was called like he was dubbed as like the most unluckiest man ever. And I think that somewhere along the line, someone on YouTube may have mixed up him with another guy who's been struck by lightning multiple times. And yeah, but this guy though, I might as well show you him. Uh, so yeah, here he is. That was the last Whale are being swallowed by a whale.
>> I'm pretty sure in the in the chat just like, "Yes, he got what he deserved." D >> stealing lobsters right from under the little why noses.
>> Well, she is lobstered her, isn't it?
>> Do they have no whales? I mean, they can't sniff the water.
>> They got a blow hole, haven't they?
That's that's that's that's basically their nose.
You can't sniff through it though, can you?
>> Uh, no.
>> You know what? If you're looking for if they were uh I don't think they could do that.
>> I don't think >> Oh, Michael. Bad, bad, bad. Michael, don't do that. Don't do those kind of naughty time. Oh, >> you couldn't hear.
So MC said, "My response to your the most Aussie thing challenge involves >> involves lightning."
>> See what that is.
>> All right. So the Aussie challenge, I issued a challenge in my uh Discord today. I saw a video.
>> I saw a video and it was the most Australian thing that I've ever seen.
There was a guy who was sea fishing on a kayak, right? He was at sea. He reached into the water and he grabbed the shark by the head. He pulled it out of the water. He looked it right in its face and he said, "Stop eating my fucking bait, you seaword." And then he threw it at 12, 15 feet back into the sea. And that I I said 10 points to to anybody that can name me anything that is more Australian than that.
>> That's fantastic. I love that. Not since we had Rex was anyone that good. Rexy was good. For those of you anyone that used to watch Absolutely. used to watch these uh Rex, what was his name?
>> I can't remember his last name, but I'm sure the show was like Rex on fishing.
>> Yeah, something like that. Fisherman, an Australian fisherman, old guy. Um just just an engaging chap. really just really really knowledgeable about his fish. Um absolutely as keen as it comes and um yeah he was really good. What have you found there?
>> Oh yeah, I know.
>> I was going to show you the uh the sort of Welsh equivalent.
>> You ready?
Go fuck yourself.
>> Oh, funny funny. So, let's get into the serious business of the news. We've got the newsy news stuff going on. And for you guys in the chat as well, if you've got any new stories that you want to recommend, absolutely go for it. Um, we haven't done any serious deep dives into it to, you know, we'll all learn together. We're all here. We are all a few Burks today. What, what do you call what's a group of four? A quartet of Burks.
>> Oh, don't ask what they'll have.
>> Oh, Antifa.
>> There's a quartet of them now. So, let me do this. Ready? Let's get some We've got some good production on this show.
We're properly up there with the rest of them. Check this out.
>> Am I supposed to be in the Discord with it?
>> You can be if you want if you want to uh introduce this for us, Dav, if you don't mind.
>> Is it in me and dad?
>> It is. Yeah, we've got all the We've got all the production skills, but none of the quality. We're terrible at me.
>> Yeah, >> just messing. This is just a fun one, >> right? Where do you want me to start then? Um, >> not >> just uh so let me let me have a look.
Let me just have a gander. I think that it should just be um >> Yeah, just just yeah starting there with the last one that says dad. It's big writing dad and then >> in November last year. That one.
>> Yeah.
>> Milbour who served in various government roles under Tony Blair. that >> yep that's that one >> okay was asked by prime minister hang on so in November last year Milbour who served in various government roles under Tony Blair >> was was asked by prime minister Kama to explain why almost 1 million 16 to 24 year olds about one in eight were not in education employment or training that's fucking disgraceful. The findings in Alan Milburn's report were contentious to say the least. Many are blaming this on the NWTs >> neats.
Yeah. Which is what the report calls this group it's looking into.
Personally, we here at a couple of Burks blame capitalism. It's not it's it is not sustainable.
>> You are you are correct.
things will get worse. But before we explain why we think that, let's look at the article.
>> I'm sorry. I remember in my youth when I was dancing in back to lock >> to work loan.
>> Uh so we just had a look now. So the UK's anxious generation. Um they're anxious of work apparently. So this is of young people struggling to adapt in the workplace. Former Labour health secretary Alan Milbour says firm must offer more flexibility and mental health support. So this obviously I mean before we talk about the late stages of capitalism and why I personally would want to uh make an argument in a minute for why we should be looking at uh socialism as an as a solution to this problem. Uh and also for context, thank you very much Emzy. Neat is I should have said not in education, employment or training.
>> That's this particular cohort of people here. Um >> there you go. Uh known as neats. So uh I don't like a lot of the language in the framing that's been around this. There's been other articles as well where they're talking about how young people are basically workshy. They're soft.
They're snowflakes with some of the stuff we've seen. Um but the article reads as follows. Dad, if you don't mind.
I will indeed. Um, one second. Right.
Um, an anxious generation of young people is struggling to adapt to the outdated world of work, according to a government's job adi jobs advisor. Alan Milbour, a former Labour health secretary, will say this week in a report that businesses must adapt by offering more flexibility and mental health support for young people to stave off an economic catastrophe. Can I can I interrupt myself there to say that closed these bloody they closed our mental health places down and now not calling it care in the community. What a lie that was. But now they're putting it onto the employers. That's fantastic, isn't it? Because the employers are really going to look after your mental health. Anyway, in November last year, Milbour, who served in various government roles under Tony Blair, was asked by Prime Minister Kier Stalmer to examine why almost 1 million 16 to 24 year olds, about one in eight, were not in education, employment, or training.
Um, that's unique, isn't it? uh his interim report on this cohort known as NES yes will be published next week.
According to the times it will say uh that the rising tide of mental ill health, anxiety, depression and neurodeiversity is a central driver of high economic activity among young people. How can they say that? I mean how can they stand up to say that when they've been responsible for so much of it, >> right? It's like co never happened. Like that's not a factor in this at all. It's like >> not mentioned.
>> Yeah. It's like the fact that work is precarious now and you never stay in the same jobs life anymore is is is not a factor.
I mean especially for the the 16 to 24 cohort cuz while they've grown up well in their formative years they were locked indoors. How >> Yeah. shouting at American kids on flipping games on the PlayStation.
>> Yeah. But you know, functionally not interacting in like the real world meet space.
>> Yeah. And it has it. So, this goes on to say that about um >> Oh, it says here in a >> a very sort of blas uh thing here where it says um that uh sorry, let me just I just unmuted you there again, Katie. I'm so sorry. I had to put you on mute just for a second. There was a bit of background noise, but don't honestly don't worry about it. It's all good. Um also, as well, if you do get a bit of background noise, you can do that for yourself, I think, on Streamyard. I'm not too sure if you're used to Streamyard or not, but um and then you can Yeah, don't worry about it, though.
Um, so yeah, the it says here in like sort of like blas terms about how it changes their brains and how it's been rewired. Well, so when we look at like uh like parts of kids brains and how technology like that does develop them, it's kind of like it's this capitalist system of like sacrificing the well-being of kids. It's changing their sleeping patterns. It's you know there's evidence there is evidence of functional impairment changing their sleep patterns, concentration levels and it's having their ability to work. It's harming their ability to work, right?
It's having an impact on it. Now, I think that this is far more nuanced than just social media bad kids are changing because of social media.
>> There is exactly like Specs was saying, you know, about the whole COVID thing.
>> No worries, Dad. About the whole COVID thing about um you know, being locked indoors for their informative years.
This is like this group. This neats is the 16 to 24 year old cohort. Um and yeah, I let's have a look here as well.
MC had a great comment. Uh it's worth mentioning a specific age group is massively uh discriminated against when seeking employment. They are less reliable purely based on age. And now the employee there's a cost of living crisis and everything. Everyone's trying to get work where they can. But also there's there's a whole bunch of people because there's you know the environment is so extreme. It used to be right. Do you remember like I say we won't remember this but there was a time where you could work at the post office you know and then you would as a as a man and I'm not trying to gender this I'm just saying how society was in the day >> but yeah the man would go to work he'd work in say the post office he could afford to have >> a car have a mortgage and a wife and 2.6 children at home that were all taken care of. He could do that on his wage.
That's the difference. That's why we're seeing so many 16 to 24 year olds worrying and so stressed and you know worked up about what's going to happen because they're facing things that you know other generations haven't had to face. They're facing hardships that other people haven't had to look at for a very long time. This is capitalism.
>> Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, work is so precarious now. Like it's like most of the most of the stuff kids can get now is gig economy bullshit.
Like Uber Eats or Just Eye or whatever doesn't pay particularly well unless you're very lucky on tips.
>> You know, that's it. Unless you're very very lucky. Like so I I think as well so obviously look don't get me wrong there is a there is a balance right it's it's it's a nuanced issue I do agree I don't agree with this this phrase of the bedroom generation fucking co literally happened like you can't >> that's all bullshit like sort of living in their bedrooms again I really don't like that framing um uh that but this here but never they are on all the time never off there's some truth to this >> you know there's that's true and social media changing the way that our you the way that our kids and everything else are developing. That's real. That does happen.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Those those platforms are designed to keep you on them. They and they they tap into the reward pathways not in a dissimilar fashion from gambling or drugs. Like yes, like there are issues with social media. I will not deny that. But it is not the sole cause because there are plenty of, you know, Yeah. Plenty of us use social media in a healthy manner. Let's put it that way.
>> Absolutely. In my opinion, I think that what this report does is it it it illustrates and highlights that, you know, the system that's driven by profit rather than, you know, rather than human needs. And it's failing the working class, more specifically the the children of the working class. And I think that the reason like you were saying, you know, about the way that social media is designed, like I I don't think that's an unreasonable take. I think that this is late stage capitalism, this is, you know, like they have complete free reign. They can make these things as addictive as they possibly can without any sort of real scrutiny or proper, you know, uh, checks and balances. They they it it's weird how we tend to react. we're reactive and not proactive in in sort of capitalist societies and we're reacting to the problem that we already have now which is that more than half of the UK's 9 946,000 neats uh have never worked and a quarter uh are classed as unable to work due to long-term sickness and disability.
>> Mhm.
>> Of these 43% say that mental health problems are the primary reason that they are unable to work up from 24% in 2011.
It's a real problem and I think this is Yeah. It's socialism. Sorry, it's social media and everything else, but it's also it's late stage capitalism. That's what this is.
>> Yeah. Well, there was my my mom shared a thing on Facebook a while back. Um and uh it was talking about uh mental health in America and and like how bad it is over there and why so many people turn to drugs. And it instantly reminded me of like the rat park theory. I'm not sure if you guys ever heard this theory before.
>> Yeah. Rats heroin and stuff. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, >> but there's two It's basically two two simultaneous experiments. So, one one experiment you just have a rat on its own in a very boring cage with two water bottles. One's got a narcotic in it of some description. The other one's just water.
um that rat will habitually use the narcotic until it dies. Right? Whereas rat park is the other experiment that's going on where there's lots of rats in a social setting. They've got lots of lots of activities to do, lots of things, lots of different food to eat, lots of tasty things, etc., etc. They've also got access to the narcotic, but they very rarely use it or only use it, you know, sparingly.
So, yeah, just interesting. I think humans very much like that. And I think social media in the way that it is constructed, especially under capitalism, um is basically a drug. like uh and and to back that up um as a I mean this is a bit of a argument to authority but Hank Green and the Vlog Brothers uh have made a video series called Are We Cigarettes?
Um where they, you know, basically go into this question of, you know, what what what is social media and and yeah, is it bad or good essentially.
So yeah, >> no that's um it's like when it comes to social media and everything else and are we cigarettes?
I'm going to going to make a note of that and I'll have a look at that later.
But when it comes to um like I want to make that argument now like because obviously we're talking uh about nearly a million people that are economically inactive and it's being almost presented as kind of a moral failing >> and it's not a moral failing. Capitalism requires a reserve.
>> Yeah.
>> Capitalism requires a reserve ali labor anyway to function. You always need the needs.
>> They never present it that way because they're a very convenient scapegoat. But capitalism does need a reserve army of labor. A because it's an incentive for the workers not to, you know, to to to feel >> uh grateful that they've got a job for a start, especially if there's a large cohort of unemployed people at that particular moment. Um, and you know, yeah, they can't give them too much of a good time otherwise you know, the people on extremely low wages can ask for more.
No, absolutely, absolutely. Hello, Andrew. How you doing? Also, we've got Dwitt and stuff in the house. We've got Crag MZ, uh, Lobster here. We've got Michael, Terry, uh, Regan's in here as well. And you, Wait, you're in two places at the same time. How are you in the chat and on here? My mind is, >> but no, um, you're you're absolutely you're not wrong. And like, capitalism does require that you have the underclass. You have to that's how class systems work. You have to have some at the top, some at the bottom. That class has to exist, you know. And that's >> Yes. For capitalism.
>> Yeah. Not Yes. There you go. This is the point though, isn't it? It doesn't have to exist. It's, >> you know, for capitalism to work, certainly it does. But when we look at what's happening here, like I was saying, it's not like a moral failing.
This is the such predictable consequences of the decaying market driven economy that we're we're being spoonfed until we die. It's like >> with a little less each time, you know.
It's it's honestly shocking. I think that the this crisis that we see now, and it is a crisis of like nearly a million young people, um it's bigger than it's ever been as far as I'm aware.
I don't remember it being like that in in modern time, modern times at least.
But um it didn't happen in a vacuum and that like, you know, this is economic, this is just capitalism. This is where's the if we'd have had proper housing pro uh proper housing uh solutions uh accessible education if we had meaningful social support.
>> Social support is the key there though.
I it it was genuinely I can't get over I I still can't get over the fact that they they dumped all those mentally ill people literally onto the streets um and said that's care in the community.
You're looking after them. You know, it was just such a wrong thing. Um, that must have damaged so many so many people who couldn't handle that. Um, who knows how many people that fucking finished off. No idea. But by go, it was a it was a bloody harsh move. A really harsh move.
>> And and not even just a it doesn't even just stop at Thatcher. Like my my mom works in adult social care and they budgets cut year on year from government. Yeah, >> like it's it's how can you how can you do it with no resource? It's insane.
>> I mean, they want >> the Tories want to privatize it eventually, I think. But >> that's I think um I think that's probably the end result, isn't it?
That's peak. That is we're waiting for, you know, it's late stage capitalism.
Waiting for that peak though. Um that ends with your you know, your NHS and everything else. But like all of these social supports like they've been eroded in favor of like oh but market competition though right and like monopolies aren't a thing and you know privatization austerity austerity >> it's the perpetual growth shit you know capitalism has to has to have perpetual growth or it dies right there. Um perpetual growth profit extraction which goes with that doesn't it? As soon as you get soon as you get a bit of growth that they start ri the shareholders start ripping out their profits.
>> Um >> that undermines the social foundation necessary for human well-being.
Absolutely it does.
>> That's got that you know slave master thing about it, doesn't it?
>> Yeah.
>> Productivity rises, living standards don't.
>> Yeah. uh wealth accumulation top like it is doing that right now as we speak.
>> Absolutely. Even the term uh neat, what was it? Uh not in education, employment or training. Even that is like even that is such a capitalist thing to say. Like even having a class of Sorry if you can hear my dog dreaming in the background by the way. Bless him.
>> He's he's sleeping. He's like twitching and dreaming away. I heard him shouting then. Um so yeah, even that term though like it completely like strips people away um down to like just entities. Oh, bless him. He's he's having a fun dream.
But no, it's taken away all of the the social and economic realities that shape their lives to get there. So behind that acronym is like a whole group of young people that face impossible rents. You know what I mean?
>> I wanted to I wanted to say that if you group in the the under 30s with that, it's probably about 1.3 million who could be classed as neat. So uh 30 and younger is probably over a million at this point >> who are in this sort of group. That's one of the things of capitalism. You have to have a reserve army of labor basically unemployed.
>> So with everybody having to end endlessly skill up all the time. What's going to happen to these guys?
But that's the thing that cohort is just going to grow as automation and >> AI takes more jobs. Like now we've had some good news on the AI front lately.
Like some of the large corporates have started to reverse course but that's that's only a temporary measure. I think I think they will you know >> like that is going to be a growing issue going forward. I've already seen it in like but we've already seen it happen in so many industries now like >> Yeah.
>> Oh yeah. I mean the taxi drivers will be gone soon, won't they? Um >> well start driving themselves reliably, they're gone. I don't know about I I don't know about here with our old Roman roads, but like if you've got a grid system, yeah, there's no problem.
>> Well, looking at what those seen those Chinese flipping robot things that that robot delivery systems that go racing down the streets, falling into potholes and fucking getting stuck under cars and fucking all sorts. Have you seen those things? They'll they'll cross building sites and anything to get to where they're supposed to be going. They're fucking crazy.
People fishing them out of ponds and fucking all sorts. But they're funny once I mean once that's organized, if it ever does get organized in China. Um it will be a hell of a system certainly be robust.
>> Yeah, >> that's the thing then. What happens to >> God damn it. My mic as it gets bigger.
>> Sorry, dude. Is your mic keep disconnecting?
>> Uh, it just it wasn't working for a second and I was like, "Oh, no." Oh, wait, no, it's back on. It's fine. Don't worry about it. Um, I may or may not have been on mute. It's fine.
>> But no, uh, I just, you were making such really good points about like the automation and stuff and I was like, and this is the this is the thing, isn't it?
automation isn't something that we're used to having to deal with at a scale like this in the way that you know there's all the jobs that could have been automated already have already been automated and now on top of that compounding the issue you've got more of that and so what these people are facing now I say these people this group of young people like this the needs as they're calling them the 16 to 24 year olds and the reason they're so economically inactive as well they're facing times that nobody else has ever faced before they're facing automation at a rate that it's never happened before this is you know unprecedented they're facing and the rise of AI.
They're also facing um the the uh the cost of living crisis, the highest rents ever. They're never going to own a house. Of course, this particular group are being quote unquote anxious.
>> To be young now, you know, I would hate to be young now. I I just >> and COVID and everything else fucking working against young people at the moment. There's no privacy, fucking no nothing for >> Yeah. And this is Yeah. They had to go to >> That's what I was going to say. Like >> they've had to live through >> Oh, I'm so sorry. Carry on. I didn't mean to be rude. I'm sorry.
>> Well, like camera phones weren't a thing when I was a kid. They didn't become a thing until I was in my 20ies.
>> Uhhuh.
>> Right. And so I got to do all the stupid teenage shit without any fucking evidence of it. Whereas kids now, they they can't do that cuz every fucker's got a camera phone.
>> Like, >> no. Really? they've they've had to live through like the rise of social media and all the harmful problems that they've been uh very carefully I mean Facebook Meta all these companies X they have paid some of the best uh sort of social engineers to make their product as addictive and uh um sort of compatible with the human brain in not the best way possible but the most capitalistic most profiting way possible. This is a generation of people that have had to live through impossible rents, insecure work, like zero hour contracts and that were a thing, you know, until recently. The >> shit the collapsing >> zero hour contracts, man.
>> Schools, they've had no school funding.
They've had no mental health services.
There's been a rise in food costs. And this is like now dominated by really low paid, precarious employment with like zero almost or little to no long-term security or dignity. Let's call it what it is. Like it's properly it's it's outrageous, isn't it? You know what I mean? Like they've gone through so much and then they're like, "Oh, this is the soft generation. They spent all their time in their bedrooms." No, it's not.
It used the people that say that are the people whose parents were the post uh with the the guy who worked at the post office and he managed to hold down a job with just one job paid for a mortgage and he paid for a car and he had his his wife and his 2.6 six kids all doing great and they went to school and everything was fine and they had an NHS that worked relatively. It wasn't as advanced, sure, but it worked. You know what I mean?
>> Like now nobody has any of that. There's no services like that are available like that anymore. There's no one job that you can just get anymore that can, you know what I mean? That can lead to, you know, long-term financial security. It's hard out there. It's harder than it has been. And I think that this is both the death cries of capitalism. It's going to get way worse before it gets better. I promise that.
>> Oh yeah. Um, and it's also uh I think that there's it should be like a wakeup call for uh an entire generation of people who think that oh well the younger lot are just soft. Like bro, you've never had to live through that.
You haven't had to go through pandemics at that age. You haven't had to go through the rise of automation, the fall of services that like you know what I mean the death throws of capitalism.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
I wonder >> this Melbourne's report, this this report that we're talking about, it reveals more than a problem with youth like disengagement. I need to say it wrong. Youth disengagement or like disenfranchised, you know, it's not just that. It exposes the the really serious contradictions of an economic system that just doesn't want to like uh deal with large portions of like society, you know, and that oh, they're just the the scapegoats like you were saying, you know, we'll have to have this like scapegoat sort of class of people and that that will cover up for all the broader systemic failures. But capitalism is still bad. Capitalism is still good and you know, socialism is bad.
>> It's like god damn it. natural bullshit to cover up >> the flop and then Yeah.
>> And it works cuz I mean look at look at what happened in the locals in England.
>> Yeah.
>> It's sad, isn't it? It's a whole like a whole section of society that's we just uh abandoning them to their own fucking uneducated state. Um people that we that should have been educated and haven't been. Uh and nobody's made any provision for him, have they? As far as I can tell, unless somebody's doing the good work, then I don't know about it. But uh yeah, I don't know what's going to happen to him in a is it going to be enough to finish capitalism because there's going to be some right um rows going on, isn't there? When when people are completely fucking skinned, you know, when when people are getting no money for months and stuff.
>> Um >> yeah, it four meals. Is it three or four meals before you um before the whole system will start to collapse? Because that's as long as three or four meals is as long as a father will be able for a parent will be able to stand watching their kids not eating before they go out and do something. Um yeah wouldn't take long.
>> No, it wouldn't. And that's that's the sad reality is that you know this system like that is very fragile and it but this is the thing. Nobody wants that.
Nobody wants like chaos and scariness and like, you know, a lack of anything.
>> It should be robust though. I mean, it should be a robust system. It was, you know, >> that's what I was going to say. That was the word I was going to use. That's Yeah, that's exactly >> when it recovered, you know, recovering from the war. It was a robust system that it could take knocks and stuff, but you feel now like it's just on the edge and it just all the time.
>> Yeah. Well, that's just because it's been depleted so much. Literally that's what you think austerity was but >> underfunding everything and selling everything off like what what is left of like British industry like they're talking about reviving British steel what steel works in England >> I know right I >> I do wonder if that is anything to do with um whether that's a um to keep is independently being able to produce fucking gun barrels and stuff.
Um, >> yeah, 100% that's what it's for.
>> If there's a war, yeah, I don't I don't think it's >> I I think it's tactical decision rather than anything else.
>> Tactical and economic >> tactics.
>> Even Even better tactics and economics would have two steel plants, but you know, >> bias cuz I'm Welsh. I don't know.
>> I guess they don't want to look like they're rushing into a water.
>> No, we'll just do the one for now. Yeah.
>> So, I think uh there's another headline in the in the Well, this one is uh very sensitive one. So, I'll ask everyone to have their sensitive caps on. Um so unfortunately uh we have seen a uh UK Supreme Court ruling on the meaning of sex in the Equality Act. Um and it's not uh gone in favor of uh trans people. Um do any of you are any of you familiar with this at the moment >> peripherally? But yeah, >> there's a there's a couple of articles and things that we can get into. Um, this was brought to my attention by one of the chatters as well that dropped it in Discord. Um, so if you're not already, join the Discord and uh if if you know and if you want to get involved in the the show and stuff, just drop down suggestions and things even if it's in the chat, but preferably Discord and that and it's easier for us to pick it up and go through it properly. Um, can't click links while I'm here, unfortunately. So, yeah, go and do that.
I dare you. Uh, so single sex toilets must exclude transgender people, says EH uh RC. So that's the um uh let me just come over here.
>> It's European, isn't it? For a start.
>> It's the equality human rights.
>> No, it's not. Is it equality?
>> You are think you're thinking >> this is the European Court on Human Rights.
>> Wow, that's close, isn't it? It is close.
>> Yeah. So update code of code of practice covering England, Wales and Scotland also relates to changing rooms and follows Supreme Court ruling. Oh, it's come from the top then >> for Wales. C England.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh so yeah, if you don't mind, Dad, could you uh get us through the story here?
And I've got some other resources as well. Um >> so this can be quite a scary trans people. Yeah, make it slightly smaller if you like.
>> Or leave it like that. I cannot.
>> So, >> single sex toilets and changing rooms in England, Wales, and Scotland must exclude transgender women and men according to a new code of practice from the equalities watchdog. But the long- awaited guidance also says, of course, there also says that businesses and service providers have to offer practical alternatives such as genderneutral toilets for people who don't wish to to pee. No, for people who don't wish to use services for their biological sex. Right, I laughed in that and I shouldn't. So the long- awaited guidance also says that businesses and service providers have to offer practical alternatives such as genderneutral toilets for people who do not wish to use services for their biological sex.
The Equality and Human Rights Commission, the EHRC documents sets out how public bodies, businesses, and other service providers should respond in practical terms to April April 2025's landmark Supreme Court ruling that sex in the Equality Act refers only to biological sex.
The guidance will be seen as an incremental victory for gender critical campaigners who have long argued that trans women specifically should be excluded from women only services. But critics fear it will consolidate a chilling effect as trans people avoid public places altogether.
>> All right.
>> Oops.
So, we'll carry on for just a little bit. I want there's a couple of chunks in here that we we could we could do a skimming over before we get on to the next bit. But okay, we are when we move on from this going to be talking about um it's not that scary. So for anyone that's you know worried about this information, we're going to move our way over to transactual.org.uk after this and it's about knowing your rights. Um and it's not, you know, you are still protected. Uh and yeah, so carry on if you can, Dad. Sorry.
>> Sure. Trans trans advocacy groups had hoped that amendments made sorry trans advocacy groups had hoped that amendments made to the code by the EHRC in April after feedback from the government as well as consultation responses and extra legal advice might result in a less blanket exclusion.
The guidance does suggest it is feasible for clubs and associations to remain transincclusive by making themselves open to several protected characteristics at once. For example, women or men or trans people.
But in health care where mixed sex accommodation is not available, trans patients must be accommodated on the single sex ward that accords with their biological sex.
But the code also states it would not be proportionate to exclude a transman from obstetic obstetrics ob yeah and gynecology thank you and gynecology outpatient services based on the objections of female patients.
Okay.
The government's own equality impact assessment that accompanies the updated code acknowledges that the likely impact on transgender people is negative but highlights mitigating factors like the ability of services to create third space provision.
The guidance is clear that if a service provider admits a trans person to a service that aligns to their lived gender, that service can no longer be described as single sex and the provider is very likely to be at risk of legal challenge. Gee whiz. The chair of the EHRC Maryanne Stevenson said the Supreme Court was very clear. If you are providing separate toilets for women and men, that has to be on the basis of biological sex. Stevenson suggested that people had got caught up in a hyper in a hyperfocus on which toilets can trans women use. She said it would take a lot of the heat out and we might be able to provide some solutions if we could take a bigger step back and say lots of us have different needs in terms of accessing toilets.
She called for a wider conversation about how we make that work in practice, referring to services supporting women who are escaping violence, where a provider will often provide a variety accommodation, including communal space and self-contained accommodation, which it might offer to women who have teenage sons, for example, or to trans women.
So, um, the reason why I find this a bit of a sad story is because it kind of comes on the back of a lot of this like bullshit and rhetoric about, you know, like having, uh, how dangerous the toilet battlegrounds are now and, you know, scaring people into thinking that, you know, trans people and everything out. There's also a map that we're going to have a look at as well that's quite scary. Um, a rainbow map that you showed. In fact, if you don't mind, I don't mean to make you do stuff. Are you okay to link me that again in the private chat here so I can bring it up?
Thank you, buddy. I really appreciate it. Um, so, uh, yeah, so like trans people, um, are already one of the most victimized groups like statistically.
Um, the core issue that I have here is that there is no credible evidence that letting trans women into using women's bathrooms or whatever is is increasing assaults or, you know, making things less safe. Um, or, you know, doing uh, there's no, you know, like terrible safety incidents. In fact, I'm looking now and like uh there's this major study looking at jurisdictions with transexclusive broom protections found no increase in public safety incidents in bathrooms or changing rooms after those protections were introduced. Um this Yeah, it's Yeah. And there's also like this common argument of well if someone pretends to be a trans person to enter women's space but like people can already go into women's spaces like that. There are laws against harassment, assault, voyerism and abuse. already exist regardless of like bathroom policies and stuff. Um, and there's no evidence that trans-inclusive positive uh policies have ever caused any sort of measurable uh rise in any of those sort of crimes and instances. So, uh, let me show you this uh, now before we get on to the >> Well, you pull that out. It's just making me think of the the likey thing.
They're going to end up having fucking bathroom passports now, mate. you know, have to have a specific, you know, you can only enter your your specific bathroom assigned at birth.
>> I'm not carrying >> I'm not carrying having a like a lanyard with a picture of me old man on. I'm not doing that.
>> Do you know what it will be? Do you know what? If pe certain people have it their way. Every time you go into a bathroom, there'll be some like automated AI system that goes, "Hannah, Hannah, can you be in this bathroom?
>> Can a sandwich board have a penis?
>> Hannah, Hannah, why won't women look me in the eye anymore?"
>> Hannah, Hannah, why won't the wife let me see the kids?
>> Glenn reference. Love it.
Oh.
Oh, that's never going to get old. That that's gonna happen. We have to put that.
>> Oh, no.
>> Um, so, uh, but knowing you're right. So, following the Supreme Court judgment, um, this is some key information from the transactual.org.uk site. Uh, this is the main bit here. So the F uh FWS judgment only applies to the application of the EA uh Equalities Act 2010. Trans people are still protected from discrimination under the EA 2010. That's the Equalities Act.
>> Yeah.
>> It's I think that I just because when you hear about them ruling on how uh things can be defined uh how like sex should be defined and stuff and it isn't a great day for for trans people at all, but it also just to remind people that they are still covered. they are still protected and you know that it it's it's an uphill battle absolutely but you know there are you know uh so like this for example this is some more uh GRC's I'm not too sure what GRC's are now >> gender recog I thought it was >> and then I started getting like really confused and I was like no wait because the S I'm like no but yeah you're right yeah so uh they're still valid uh but are now understood not to change your legal sex for the purposes of the Equalities Act 2010 content. A service provider is not obliged to exclude uh trans people from its services and can include them without breaking the law.
Service providers should seek legal advice around this as navigating this area of law has become trickier than following the following judgment. So if they've only got um a male and a female bathroom and there isn't yet you know a trans bathroom as is being asked by um the uh equalities um uh people that made the ruling um they will you will be able to use you know if the service provider allows you to do it you can do that.
They're not obliged to exclude trans people from those services and from those bathrooms and things like that.
Um, so it's up to them >> if it's legally possible for them to do the bare minimum by excluding uh service providers will do the the easy get out if that's still it's technically still legally possible for them to do that which sucks >> but yeah still have human rights essentially but whether it gets implemented or not h IRL is entirely up to the service provider who Maybe.
>> Well, quite clearly the toilet police.
>> Toilet.
>> Toilet police.
Do it.
>> Um, trans people are more likely to be the victim of abuse and violence than uh than the per than being perpetrators, >> which absolutely is true. And they are.
>> And this is I'm not trying to I don't want to be that disaster guy that's like, "You're under attack. You're under attack." I'm just saying what the numbers are showing. And I promise I'm trying to do this from a neutral position as possible whilst also, you know, trying to acknowledge the struggle that people who aren't myself are going through for reasons that I don't understand. And I might not understand what it's like to be this person, but I tell you what, I mean, I will absolutely stand up for their rights to be able to be that person. And so this here, I think, is a dangerous move obviously for lots of different reasons. But as as is being listed out here, um you know, it's there are upsides, not upsides still, but there are I'm trying to frame it in a way that's positive is what I'm saying that there are you are still protected from discrimination and service providers are not obliged to exclude trans people from certain services and you know, single sex spaces and things.
Moving on to point five though here um single sex bases can exclude trans people uh if they can make the case that it is proportionate and uh the least restrictive measure to achieve a justifiable aim. So what that is saying is that if there is only a toilet and it's not like a transonly toilet that a service provider can't just say no you cannot do that and then you piss yourself. It's not going to work like that um based on the fact that you're trans and there isn't a trans option per se. So, not only our service providers, it's mostly up to, it's kind of up to their judgment, but since the the high court ruling judgment, um or the Supreme Court ruling, sorry. Um it is going to be more difficult for them, but it's they can't just exclude you if there is no other option or anything like that, which is another thing. So, your safety and dignity and privacy are important.
You are not obliged to disclose that you are trans to anyone. Uh and your GRC, if you have one, is confidential.
And the EA2 2010, that's the Equalities Act 2010, still protects trans people from harassment and discrimination in the workplace.
So there you go. And just uh and again, I'm not trying to worry anyone or anything like that, but I also think that it's quite important. Um Specs, could you you possibly explain this a lot better than I can? I'm just Yeah.
Also, I'm a >> this is a matter of social attitudes towards the LGBTQ plus community in Europe.
>> And basically the the lower the the the the closer the color to red, the worse they are. Obviously, Russia being Russia right now is is is deep red.
>> Yeah.
Yeah. the Scandi Scandi countries are slightly lighter and as as you can see down there, Spain is probably one of the the beacons of hope in Europe up there um for for queer folk. Um but yeah, Britain has actually gone down. So, if you actually click on on our our very normal island for for >> It's just loading now.
>> I've got very normal island internet.
So, >> yeah.
So that day you can see where we were and how we backslid. Um, so Oh, were you trying to say something there Katie or you just wait?
>> No, and Floaker in the chat.
>> Oh, hey Ollie. What's going >> We were trying We were trying to make it better up here, but then Westminster got involved. Yeah, thanks Westminster. You believe >> who let him in?
>> Who let Westminster in?
>> It wasn't us. We didn't let Westminster in. They kind of pushed away.
>> They did. They They kind of forced their way in here.
>> Yeah, they did the same to us.
>> They must like us though. They kept >> 22nd.
We're currently sitting 22nd out of other European nations. Um >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. It sucks.
>> Yeah, we're not doing well.
>> No, >> it's is it's not a good not a good time.
>> It's not. And it does appear that we are, you know, doing some backpedaling, but you do have rights. You are a person. You do matter. Um and yeah, we're all here for you. All of you.
Everyone. We're here for everyone.
>> And that's the main thing. We're all just people just trying to live our fucking lives, man. And like >> there's nothing wrong with I mean what the government's literal job is for like if you could reduce it down to a conversation it would be like hi so we'd like this now and then they go okay sweet let's do it but it's just like it's not it's it's now about depriving people you know generating as much capital as possible and and navigating it well away from the bottom and spreading it all around the top. you know, the 50 is it the 50 families own like majority of the wealth in this country >> or their thereabouts, something like that. I don't want to put on like fake information, but yeah, we're sort of around thereish, but that's the headlines at the moment. Anyways, that's what the the headlines are looking at.
>> That's headlines.
>> So, yeah. Uh, you say hello to chat while I get the next stuff sorted out.
Dad, I dare you.
>> Okay. Uh, so I don't know. I don't even know what's going on. Um, what is happening?
>> Um, Michael said not to undermine the trans community. This is when they're talking about the toilets things and that, >> but who's deciding who's feminine enough?
>> That'll be some gammon bloke in a uniform somewhere, won't it? With his buttons popping off and fag in his mouth and his hat on the back of his head. Be all smell greasy.
>> Yeah.
Yeah, if you go future.
>> Um, yeah, >> gentlemen, inspector. Next.
>> Next.
30 years younger.
Get away from me.
>> That's what a lot of That's what a lot of these um um trans phobes forget. Um, gender is a social construct, by the way, everyone. Biological sex does exist.
So does trans fem and trans mask. They exist as well.
But there's a disconnect between the the mind and the body.
But that's what you go through when you're going through transitioning.
If you're getting the hormone for the way that you identify within your gender, it changes what your biology is.
Hormones, amazing things. They change us.
But yeah, that a lot of the a lot of these um women's rights act activists and stuff, they they seem to forget that.
>> No, no, no, no. I'm going to try to educate you.
>> Oh, I'm listening.
>> Drop some education. Do it. Drop >> slam that education.
>> Yeah, we do. Um we all deserve education.
>> You got the floor.
>> Yeah. No, that's that's really cool. Um You can't you can't go.
>> Yeah. Educate us. And then we talk all over you saying >> if they have any doubt about me. H I technically I only have one X chromosome.
H I identify as female. I am a woman.
Give me Roar. H. But if they actually start asking me what my um genetic code is, what my biology is, said the nice one, do you know much about um Turner syndrome? Technically, I can't be described as either male or female because of my genetic genetics.
Yeah. Um I don't need to carry a GRC.
You just need to take a look at me.
And who are you to question my my own personhood? I identify the way I want to. Thank you.
>> Absolutely.
>> And having to justify asking people to actually be toilet inspectors.
No, technically that's still sexual assault. Thanks. I don't care what the bloody Supreme Court ruling says.
>> In terms of the policing, >> my pants, comrades.
>> No, absolutely. And in terms of policing, I think what they're doing is they're expecting um they're expecting the service provider to do the policing, per se. Um or if it's, you know, it's up to like it's it's really weird. I guess that's my understanding of it. It may be incorrect.
>> No, you're you're you're mostly correct.
Yeah. H is going to be down to the service provider via um governmental either UKwide or for the 12 administrations or private providers like pubs, clubs, shops, all that. If they're going they're going to do a lot of businesses are going to do the bare minimum >> at all and if that excludes people they're going to do it if it's easier for them and still be legally covered >> which is just Despicable >> toilet inspector. That's fantastic.
Whoever's got admin pop.
>> There you go. There's There's a growth industry. There's a growth industry for the neats. Make them all toilet inspectors.
>> There you go. Maybe that's how Yes, that's how we get the neats out of the situation they're in.
>> Yeah, >> we can all toilet inspectors. We're going to need loads of them.
>> We're gonna need loads of them.
Ridiculous and silly and stupid story.
Oh, sorry, Kate. Go on.
They also forget that a lot of trans people are also disabled like like ours here. So yeah. Yeah. The they punish disabled people more.
Fantastic. Thank you.
Not that we've been put through the ringer at all ever in the last sort of 16 years. We haven't honestly. We're just >> moaning.
So bloody depressing.
It is. It's really depressing. But moving on, should we go from uh should we go from a bit should we get a bit more exciting then? So, we've done the news and it was a bit depressing admittedly. But the good news is obviously, you know, it's still illegal to discriminate against trans people and you can't just, you know, there are while it is a bit of a gray area now, it's not an exact thing. You there are many times where you will be able to just use the bathroom as regulated and if somebody tries to to do it against you, it's going to be terrible.
>> That is all through chapter by the way.
I just saw that one. Yeah, I just It stopped me in my tracks as well.
>> Naughty croc crack. Naughty naughty.
>> Very good. Croc crack.
>> So, we've got some perk alerting to do.
Uh I'm just going to graph that. I've got it. Now, we are not going to be um going through the whole of Tommy's video. We're going to be looking at everything else. But Tommy Robinson has made a documentary. Has anyone seen this? I haven't seen >> about Hope Not Hate. Not Not the documentary that's illegal. I've got to preface that, haven't I? Because it sounds like I'm about to get us all in trouble. Not of the other documents that are illegal at the moment. Um >> he's talked about uh hope not hate and he's done well. I mean, do you know what? The far right say hit piece a lot and so now I can't say it, but I've said it twice technically, so you get my feelings on it.
>> Um so we're going to jump into Burke alert just now and this will help me out for videos later. So bear with me and here we go.
>> It's Tommy.
>> Are you okay? Are you okay, Dad? Sorry.
I heard loads of banging and stuff.
>> No, no, no. That was me. Sorry. Carry on, mate. I was just moving stuff. It's Tommy 10 shekeles. Go on, Tommy.
>> It is. You know what? I'm going to I'm going to do this again. I'm going to fight me. Let's do it. Fight us.
>> That was the wrong one.
>> That was the wrong That was the wrong one. That was the wrong So, uh, third and final try. You ready?
>> Leftest production.
Hello. Welcome to Burke Alert. This is the Farright Files. And we definitely did this on the first take. If you're watching the video afterwards, you were saying something about left this production. It's amazing, isn't it, SP? We're great at this.
>> It's brilliant, isn't it?
>> Fantastic.
Absolutely fantastic. So, Tommy Robinson has dropped his Hope not Hate documentary and it is as full of shit as you could imagine, but let's have a quick little gander at some of the claims that he makes in there. And then let's also have a look at uh some of the responses from Hope, Not Hate. Uh this is an hour and 48 minutes. There is no fucking chance we're going to be watching all of that. We're going to be watching some clips and I'm doing so under fair usage. You can tell I've been hit with copyright strike before. uh and beat it by the way. Uh but let me get >> most of us leftists have I think most of us leftists have unfortunately. Yeah.
>> So this is publicly available material being used under fair use slash dealings uh whether UK or American. It's American company but obviously in the UK. So uh we're going to have a look at this.
We're going to have a quick review of it. If you don't mind, gang, we'll get into it. And yeah, let's see if you can spot some of the uh some of the tactics that are being used and some of the, you know, the obvious definite evidence that we, you know, we'll definitely see soon.
>> Expose of an organization called Hope Not Hate. You're going to witness allegations of blackmail, sexual assault, providing drugs to sources of information in order to get them to say something, paying people.
>> It's got to be said. I mean, don't I don't mean to to interrupt already. And I'm not going to I'm not going to micro do this either, but um I just wanted to uh >> information in order to get them to safe.
>> It's got to be said doesn't do >> he doesn't do a lot of things right, but his he's got these lines pretty liny, you know. That's it's well organized. I like the way >> Oh, yeah. All the all the pictures line up really well. Look at look at that line across the top there. That's absolutely >> Look at that.
>> That's quality. That is >> The next row isn't as good, though. I feel like the road down.
>> Well, that's a good point. I mean, you know, to me, >> the coke was wearing off by the third one, so we had to put it down a little further. You know, he was >> and it's nothing to stop at, but you know, I just >> moving on. Is this Jade? Jada. Jade.
>> Yeah, I thought that was from >> Yeah, that's Jada.
>> Jada. That's a name, right?
>> Tens of thousands of pounds. When you get your media reports or see on documentaries people speaking about us, you see a source of information. What I'm going to do is give evidence and show you how those sources are created.
The BBC, Channel 4, they can't blackmail people. They can't offer money to people. Insteps the dirty tricks brigade.
what what he's offering to show you is journalism. That's it, isn't it? That's he's talking about how they get their stories and stuff. It's journalism.
>> No, no, they don't. But they don't they don't do that. And that's not journalism. What he's trying to say is is they're offering people drugs. No, he's making allegations of sexual assault and filling plying people with drugs. That's not that's not journalism.
There is a code of ethics in comics pain people for >> s okay okay okay >> pain sources >> I did I walked into that yes >> no no it's it's okay it's okay don't worry about it >> no it's all right >> on it of the British establishment hope not hate they come in they take a source they approach people everyone they approach around you they offer money they offer drugs whatever it takes in >> see that bit where you know like journalists approaching people that are around you trying you know journalists they're trying to investigate you and stuff because let's not forget let's not forget hope not hate and Tommy Robinson are like you know they have been investigating Tommy Robinson uh for a very long time and you know they have huge huge mountain case files on pretty much everything he's done from the EDL all the way up to to where he is now with UTK and everything um like they've they will have approached people around him and that the plying people with drug stuff now that's that's Not that's nothing that's been evidenced to proven and we're about to see.
>> No, it hasn't. But I mean, >> it's not, you know, when people sit down and talk nowadays, it's not rare for him to offer a a joint, is it? You know, it's >> is that people with drugs? Because that's what they're talking about here with this guy. It's like a joint stuff, you know, it's cannabis.
>> I wouldn't even normalize that. That's not normal. A journalist would never I've never I've spoken to a couple of journalists. would never expect any journalist to ever just be like, "Here you go. Here is a joint."
>> Have you ever been to a pub with a journalist?
>> Uh, no. And that honestly and if but more importantly, it's not happening anyway. That isn't happening. That's not that isn't what the case is. It never was. And it's not >> No, I'm just saying like journalists are not free from um offering people.
>> Some people have been scum. Yeah. You look at the sun, you look at people like that. You know, there's been people doing all sorts of things to get stories. You look at what Pierce Morgan did hacking phones and things like that.
>> Oh, he did disgusting stuff.
>> Disgusting.
>> Absolutely, Dan. You know what I mean?
Uh there's been there's been more than a few uh unscrupulous people that have done that. And the reason why they make the headlines in the way that they do, unlike Pierers Morgan, obviously who gets to carry on with his career, but um like the reason why they make headlines in the way that they do is because it is unusual and it is unscrupulous and it's not that's not, you know, there's a code of ethics and a whole like code of practice and conduct that people should be going through um with this. But this stuff here, like you're not going to see any evidence of any of this stuff happening anyway.
>> People on I want to say PS Morgan is no longer a journalist. He's a YouTuber now.
Yeah. Yeah. Do you know what? Yeah. All right then. Okay. Yeah. I hear you. I don't know how he's Yeah. All right.
That Yeah. I totally good correction.
>> Valid.
>> Anyway, >> they offer drugs, whatever it takes in order to get them to say what they say.
>> When they say what they say, they want them to say, or they lie. These guys publish it to the world. The problem is that they're taken as reliable sources because hope not hates reputation carries weight. They're in with your politicians. They're supported by all the political parties. By the end of this documentary, you're going to question every source of information that you see from this point on.
>> Fucking not.
>> No, I I 100% everything.
>> You didn't convince me. Yeah.
>> No, I'm going to question every sort his sources, every source that he presents from this point onwards.
>> You can do >> I'm going to check all of them.
>> It's all coming. It'll never arrive, but it's all coming.
>> Mhm. proof. I'll show you the proof.
>> In this documentary, you're going to hear a lot about Hope.
>> It's important you understand who they are. Hope not Hate is a so-called anti-fascist organization who formed in 2004. They formed from a group and a magazine called Search Light. Nick Lols, who now leads Hope Not Hate, was a lead member of Search Light. In 1984, Searchlight worked alongside Panorama to fraudulently edit footage which they were prosecuted or taken to court and sued for. They paid a million pound damages to conservative MPs who they wrongfully edited footage to link them with farright extremist groups. Home not hate brand as an anti-fascist organization. They're there to tackle fascism in real.
>> Let's fact check that. I want to get on to I want to find out what the context is because based on a lot of the other absolute random crap that he says, I'm going to go ahead and say it's worth checking out. So, let's have a look.
I mean, >> what was his claim?
>> His claim was the hope not hate of falsely uh generated video like faked video footage to try and implicate conservative MPs with farright extremist groups. I'm taking that is that I misheard that. Was that the >> No, that's what he did have say. He did say that.
I'm back.
>> Hello, mate.
>> We can continue.
I'm just having a look now.
So, as far as I can see now, I'm not I promise I'm not trying to like be a douche like with it or just be that lefty guy like, but I'm just looking at it and as far as I can see, this is just the AI overview and we can have uh uh a look at some stuff, but I'm not seeing I'm not like it's not coming up in Google, right? So, complaint about uh Mr. E by dispatches. Uh let me have a look now. So like here, so there's no evidence. So I put in hope not hate falsely making footage to link conservative MTS to farright extremism.
I thought that would have enough uh to hit something.
>> So there is no evidence >> fine. They paid a million pound fine. He said a million pounds. A million pound.
>> I I'll add that in in a sec. I will. Um >> so there's no evidence or verified news report that anti-fascist uh campaign group hope not hate has fabricated or falsify video footage to falsely link conservative MPs to right-wing extremism. The most prominent con connection between Hope Not Hate uh undercover footage and right-wing figures centers around a joint investigation published by the Spectre and a Channel 4 documentary. Uh these reports involved Hope Not Hate investigators using hidden cameras to expose uh figures promoting race science.
>> Sorry to cough.
>> Um yeah.
So I mean Tommy wouldn't lie to us, would he?
I wouldn't want to assume he's a liar.
>> He wouldn't, would he? Not Tommy.
>> Of course he wouldn't. Of course he would.
>> But I'm not saying that he's absolutely wrong here. I'm just saying that I can't find it here. So I'm looking as well.
And this again, I don't want this to be uh Oh, okay. Right. So it says, "Hope not hate did not pay 1 million pound." I'll just show it. So, you know, I'm not making enough. I added the uh uh and then paid1 million pound uh in damages.
>> Uh hope not pay did not pay 1 million pound in damages to conservative MPs nor they fabricate footage linking them to far extremism. And then they're talking about an incident that involved uh uh George Freeman, an MP who was a Conservative MP in October 2025 reported a deep fake video to the police which used his voice and image to falsely announce his defection from the Conservative Party to reform.
Uh he continued that's just a report that's just he reported.
>> Uh >> and is that Tommy might have have somehow got something wrong and and told us a mis you know fucking lied. No. Um >> this isn't even hope not >> how fucking >> I bet that was funny though. I bet he woke up in the morning like wait a minute I didn't say that.
>> You found video of yourself though.
>> Oh yeah. I mean, don't get me wrong, I have seen deep fake videos of myself like that. I'm not going to lie. But, um, right. So, uh, let me get back to let me get back to Tommy Robinson. So, I'm not seeing any of that. And is it just me? Can anyone in the chat help me out? Am I missing things?
>> Uh, he just makes stuff up. I mean, I'm not Again, I don't want to be that guy where we get clipped later and they're like, "Well, here's the news story that they didn't click or something that we didn't see." Do you know what I mean? I genuinely I can't see it. So, you know, >> maybe he was right. Maybe you should question every source. Carry on.
>> Hope not. If hope not he had to pay out1 million pound in a court settlement, they would have put it on their website.
They would have put it in the publication.
And if you can't find it on their actual website um Tommy 10 names, chat and BS try >> try search like if you don't mind. We mean he was talking about >> okay >> you're in the >> Was a suggestion from >> help a guy out. Drop some likes. Hit some shares if you can. Uh it's just a couple of little lefties.
>> No, I'm not stressed at all. I was just I'm confus I was confused. I'm not I'm not I'm I don't want to take this conversation to uh what search L did when it's it's a hope not hate documentary like that's where I was like all right and so if I'm not find I'm happy with that search that we did we didn't find anything about hope not hate so I'm happy to say debunk that nothing to do with >> reality they label slander and attack anyone who speaks out against open borders or against Islam the worrying thing is they have a lot of influence for example all media outlets across the UK across the world take what they say is credible and they work hand in hand with them from CNN, The Guardian, Huffington Post, The Independent, Sky News, News Night, Panorama. They're like, "Oh my god, they're being treated as a credible source. This must be a conspiracy. Quick, >> everybody sound the alarms."
>> And it involves all those top names.
Yeah.
>> Yeah. It also involves a lot of other names, too. Do you know why? It's because they're a credible, reliable, decent source. They're an anti-fascist watchdog. It's what they do.
>> I don't know. I don't know if this is the right time to drop this in. But this is a this is a similar game that that Hitler and his group played >> um >> back in the day telling us about how >> the mainstream media was was the enemy >> just as they've been doing media >> the lion you can't trust. Yeah. Exactly the same shit going on now. I can't remember now.
There is a specific term and we saw somebody holding up that sign at with that specific term at a uh the UTK event, you know, the Nazi. It was in the NEA media documentary, wasn't it? And I reviewed it.
>> Yeah, I think MZ knew what it was, but I can't bloody remember.
>> If anyone could drop that in there, but you're not wrong also as well. And I just wanted not to play I'm not trying to like play devil's advocate in in any way, sense, or form like in that sort of way. Uh, but are they right a little bit in not not Tommy Robinson, but are people right to not trust mainstream media in general? Like, is that not something that we should be >> um >> That's the one.
>> No, not something like that, wasn't it?
>> It was not. Okay, I get my my Nazi phrases mixed up.
>> Oh, maybe. Maybe it was. I just didn't It didn't seem to ring that bell then.
see if it comes back in. But you're not wrong.
>> The Metro, the Sunday Times, >> sorry. Um, but yeah, you're not wrong at all. And what they're trying to what the way I see this is now is he's basically, you know, as I said before, he's just looking at Hope, not Hate, trying to tie them to all of these mainstream media outlets and be like, it must be a conspiracy when the reality is they are the mainstream media outlets. And sometimes, not all the time, but sometimes they use credible sources.
Hope not Hate is a credible source. And he's basically just winging.
>> Sometimes the mainream media Three of those publications are owned by the same family by the way.
>> Yeah.
>> Just saying.
>> Yeah. Not surprised. Yeah.
Uh so depressing family exists. Who' have thunk it?
>> But do you know who Murdoch doesn't own?
Hope not hate.
>> Good.
>> Um >> they even advice the U. Sorry.
>> No, please. Oh, >> play. Are you okay? Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah, I'm fine.
>> Camera. That was my my sun instincts kicked in and I was like, he's falling over. No, he's all right.
>> You tried to catch me then, didn't you?
>> I did a little Yeah. I don't know if anyone saw like, oh, I was I was on a smoke gun, but yeah. No, I did a little counter terrorism. Just last year, hope not hate were identified in a Swedish military report on leftwing extremist violish military report. What the fucking >> has not identified in Swedish military report on left-wing extremist violence?
Wells could judge him by the the truth in the last thing he brought us. I'm going to call this bollocks as well.
>> Big laugh.
>> No, even reading it. Um >> in 2018 research paper by the Swedish Defense Research Agency on an FOI identified hope not hate alongside other groups notifi noting that the anti-fascist organization sometimes requested and facilitated information on right-wing political opponents.
That's it.
>> Oh, well >> evaluated. So, but >> the report though, >> yeah, but that's what that's why they've done that. But look, they have actually So, uh, >> although be careful with this one because it's not it's Facebook and the Times Radio, but um Oh, it's the Times Radio. Facebook. Okay, I'm with the >> and Breitbart as well. Yeah.
>> So, yeah. So he's had to so he can't use any of the ones in his own country or anything. So he's had to go all the way over to the Swedish military, the Swedish Defense Research Agency identified hope not hate, noting that they would ask for information on right-wing political opponents. Just to throw it out there when it says information on right-wing political opponents.
>> It's not quite oxymoronic. It's just wrong to say that because Hope not hate aren't running for election. They don't have political opponents. They're an anti-fascist watchdog. They're not they're not a political group.
>> Yeah. But they do opponents, fascists.
>> They were basically they're basically asking the Swedish government for information about uh possible right-wing um political movements in the country.
>> That's not the way that it's the way that it's phrased, it kind of like makes out like they're sort of like a >> they're a they're a watchdog. That's what they are. This is what they do.
They're a watchdog. They watch >> they don't watch dogs.
Thank you.
>> Lugan presser is the the Nazi word we were looking for before.
>> MC brought it up. Nazi word meaning light press. So keep a good eye on him.
Yes, it's um lugan presser.
Well done.
>> Uh Right. Okay. So, um, sorry, I've lost where I was on the stream now. There we go. Not on the stream. On the bloody computer. There we go. Swedish military thing. So, uh, he's made a lot of allegations so far. I'm going to try and skip into where we could see like the drug stuff because everything else is speurious at best. I mean, is it safe to Am I wrong for framing it that way, do you think, so far, guys?
>> Oh, no. No, you're good. Yeah. Yeah.
It's most It's mostly >> mostly junk. What are you seeing here?
>> He's trying to tie whatever trouble maybe Search Light had, which I don't know what what trouble they had. I'm not even bothering searching it cuz it's a Hope not hate documentary. So that that isn't related to Hope Not Hate at all.
Um them being identified is because they've reached out to the Swedish government or military, whoever, and said like, "Oh, could you tell us about uh some of the extremist uh violent groups that you've got?" Do you know what it's like? It's just you can't make honestly these fucking people. So, we're going to skip ahead to uh there's this one dude who's moaning that he's been cancelled. Um >> let's come back here.
>> Went in the bank straight afterwards.
So, I've been there for aboutizations which are highlighted to them by groups and organizations like hope not hate.
They find out who you are. They contact your work. Anyone who steps above the parab not hate's goal is to silence them and stop them. This is about stop.
>> That's what the fucking auditors do.
It's what all those fucking auditors do.
>> It's exactly what they do. They'll they'll grasp people up to their employers to fucking to anybody they can. Fuckers.
>> Associates of Tommy Robinson have posted images of my home on YouTube. And this guy's like got the fucking audacity.
>> This fucking piece of shit's got the audacity to be like, "Hope not hate do this." And they do that. First of all, they don't dox. They don't dox like that. That's not what they do. They've never done that. Also, I want to correct something that he said at the beginning where he said uh um that anyone that puts their head above the parapit. No, that's not what anti-fascist watchd dogs do. See, they think that when people go at fascists, they look around the room and they're like, "God, guys, we're all getting it, aren't we?" No, it's the fascists.
>> Yeah.
>> It's an anti- it's oh, when you put your head above the parapit, if you're a fascist and it's a fascist parapit that you're putting your head above, then yeah, then they are going to go and expose you for your disgusting fascistic ways. Like and they're not going for like anyone that if you're in a kitchen with your mate and you're sitting chatting and you're like you know what too many of these foreigners over here that's it's a bit scumbagy whatever but it's it's a conversation you can have you're safe you're fine >> when he says everyone he means him >> far right figures like him that's what he means >> I just muted you for a second there Katie just cuz I didn't want uh you had a little bit of background I didn't want to case yeah no worries I've got you. It's cool. And again, no pressure to do anything as well. I just didn't, you know, I don't know if anyone else wanted to be on stream or not.
>> Free speech. This is about having people too scared to speak. We'll speak with one gentleman now whose life has been completely changed due to him voicing his opinions. He broke no law, committed no crime. But wait till you hear what hope not hate done to him. This time last year, like I said, I was working full-time, happy, and because of some things I was doing outside of work where I sort of expressed my political opinions and so on, I ended up drawing their fire. Uh, and they wrote a report and called it in to the employer. So, it was a kind of deliberate attempt to it wasn't just to dox me because I I hadn't hit him.
>> So, what's he said? Has anyone anyone yet managed to work out what he said?
What he did?
No, >> they haven't given us that information yet.
>> Missed that. Sorry.
>> In the immortal words uh of our friend the star seed. I wonder why >> my name. I didn't think I was doing anything wrong. I was just expressing an opinion.
>> Uh but it was an attempt to deliberately get me fired.
>> Where was you working?
>> I was working at Standard Chartered Bank in >> I was just expressing an opinion.
>> So shit. So I've been there from a grad.
I went to Bristol University and then went into the bank straight afterwards.
So I've been there for about just around 18 months at this point.
>> So good career.
>> There we go. Uh so yeah, he's uh you know, young ladies managed to somehow walk his way straight into a banking uh position and he has said an opinion that managed to get him sacked, but we're not actually hearing what this opinion is >> or that it was fucking Hitler.
>> Yeah, a fucking bloke. This is the thing.
People are like, "So, I know businesses, institutions, places have a right and a duty to uh protect other people from bigots and racists." Like, I'm not saying that like you can't be a professional Nazi at work. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you're at work being a professional Nazi going about your day, not talking about, you know, white supremacy or anything like that or how a certain religion isn't compatible and stuff. And I'm sure, you know, you can keep it to yourself and do that. But once you start expressing that publicly, people then start tying you to your opinion. and then to your employer and everything else if it's known at the time like it is a tactic of course by I'm not going to deny it there are a bunch of people that will um directly go for employees and things like that in fact I we're very close to people that have you know spoken to employees and things like that but I it's this is the thing that nobody seems to understand people go like oh my god you spoke to them and ne and never oh my god what did I say what was the opinion what was it that you did what they never talk about the act. They only ever talk about the the thing afterwards. Also, I've left you on mute for a while and that's really silly of me and I'm so sorry. Um, but yeah, feel free to mute yourself up anytime as well. Sorry, I didn't mean to.
>> Hello. Hello.
>> Yeah, it was going well. Internally, there had been no issues.
>> When you say when you say you got involved, you was giving your political opinions with regards to >> uh obviously the controversial stuff.
So, immigration, uh, Islam, >> okay, we're getting there. We're getting there. uh >> on these kind of issues, but not not >> immigration, Islam.
>> Not in a bad way, in a nice way.
>> I wonder if they'll articulate exactly what it is.
>> Sorry, Katie.
>> No, no, no.
Immigration Islam, these kind of issues.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We can hear you loud and clear. Thanks.
>> An extreme way. Nothing you wouldn't happily say to anyone.
>> Just so we can get clear, we're not talking about committing a crime. We're just talking about speaking openly about immigr >> right there's there's not right okay your employer people around you and that people have a right to uh to not be associated with racist people right being a racist in itself is not a crime expressing certain opinions isn't a crime you can get in trouble for hate speech and stuff depending on how you express what your target audience is if you're saying that like I mean if you're at home in your own kitchen and you say to your friend, oh by the you know your friend who's also like the same ethnicity to you and that you're like oh by the way other people of other ethnicities I don't like them they smell that I hate them they're disgusting that do you know what I mean that's like an opinion and that's that's not going to land you in any sort of trouble that's not like hate speech it's when it's targeted and everything else I already know that when they say opinion these people specifically Tommy Robinson they have a really really hard time understanding what an opinion is and what hate speech is they don't understand what free speech is hate speech opinions thoughts feelings they facts. They don't know the difference between any of these things and they think that it's some big like black and white area where like, oh, you do this, that's it, you're done. And it's not.
It's more nuanced than that. And there's a lot of different elements to it, but they they conflate all this stuff into the same thing. Free speech does not mean freedom of consequences of your speech. Also, employers do have a right to not have racist employees because they also have other employees that may be of different backgrounds and things like that that shouldn't be subject to having to work with racist people. They might have customers that don't want to have to be working with, you know, I mean, with racist people like it's a bank as well, so a lot of people don't really have much of a choice. It's your money and stuff, you know what I mean?
You're having to deal with it like and if you're expressing this stuff publicly, which is what they've done.
They've not just done it in a kitchen.
They've ex they've chosen to broadcast it to the public on the internet. Of course, that's going to come back and bite you in the ass. What a dumbass. But I'm sure they're about to say exactly what he said, and it's not what we think.
>> Is no one had a problem with it.
>> Oh, sorry. Sorry. I was a bit too quick for that.
>> I I wanted to say what these people seem to forget.
>> Fair enough. It's about racist ideological crap if you want, but thinking that you're not going to get a reply from some of us is truly ludicrous.
You can see what you want, but thinking that you're not going to be h called out for it. Yeah, jog on.
>> Yeah, >> absolutely.
>> Absolutely right.
>> That's the whole point that kind of strikes me about it. It's not like any >> also as well. Is it just me or does this guy have like the >> regards to >> blest lips ever? You need oxygen in your system, buddy. That's not helpful.
>> Double blazing. He does. He's got a mana house. Can't even afford to.
>> Oh, no. He's He's had a line off Tommy.
That's why he looks like that.
I think it's also partly that they can't really defend what they think, so they pretend people are attacking their right to say it and it makes the controversial. It makes a conversation about that instead. Yeah, that is a really good point.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And not what they said about the demanding they have the right to say it and nobody ever stopped them saying it anyway.
Um yeah, if you wanted to join as well, Ollie, you got some fantastic points. We Yeah, love to have you on, dude. Um if you want to jump on, let us know. I'll drop you a link down.
>> Yeah. And the um link now.
>> So, immigration uh Islam, these kind of >> not in extreme way. Nothing you wouldn't happily say to anyone.
>> Just so we can get clear, we're not talking about committing a crime.
They're just talking about speaking openly about immigration and Islam.
>> Yeah. And no, no one had a problem with it. That that's the whole point that kind of strikes me.
>> No one had a problem with it except for, you know, >> the people that probably took it over to Hope Not Hate. Those guys and then, you know, Hope not hate obviously ran with it. Your employers and everybody else, they all had a problem with it, didn't they, dude? So, it wasn't just that he said, "I don't I'm not a big fan of uh mass immigration. I think it should be controlled." He didn't. If it was just that, then yeah, he'd probably have a point. But the fact is, to be honest with you, um I'll put him on a little bit quicker now because the reality is they're not going to tell you what it was that he said. And that's enough for some people in their audience. Well, for most of Tommy's audience, to be fair, and a lot of other people, we've seen it ourselves, like where people have been like reported to employers and things where they've said very very uh xenophobic, bigoted, vile shit. And um like yeah, they're always like, "Oh, someone reported them. They're the bad guy. you're attacking my right to say things, but never actually talking about the thing that was said and never talking about why equating like an entire religion, for example, Ree with um you know, with pedophilia and saying that this one massive religion has a culture of this stuff. That's of course that stuff's going to follow you around.
You can't just broadcast that shit to the internet. These people think they're valid criticisms and stuff. They don't know what valid criticism is. They're just being racist. And a lot of the time these people are genuinely so stupid they don't know that they're being racist. Yeah.
>> Like what do you do with that? What's the How do we fix it? Katie, tell us how do we fix stupid >> education?
>> Go to school.
>> Education or university. That's how you combat >> education. Education. Education on a big stick.
>> You know what? They're so happy with uh with their position, right? that they've managed to convince themselves that they don't actually have to learn anything because the the whole education system itself has been and is still infiltrated by lefties. You can't go to university because they'll just brainwash you. So, I don't have I can't learn. It's brainwashing.
>> Yeah. All right. I'm done.
Where's that thing?
>> Sorry, I went I had to read something.
It's >> not like anyone made a complaint. No, nothing's happened. So, what did Hope Not Hate do? So, hope not hate, one of their I can't remember which, but the team of their researchers wrote a small report. They were calling up multiple offices at the bank and they were also focusing because obviously we have a very big presence in the Middle East.
So, they were focusing on officers there to call them and just basically say, "You've got this guy working for you.
He's Islamophobic. He's a racist." Blah, blah, blah. All of which obviously isn't true. I remember I was just sitting at my desk and I get called in by the MD and he sort of says, "Are you you've been saying this?" And I said, "Yeah, you know, I have didn't see it as a problem." The same guys, >> what what is this? What is this that's been said? How are the How are these two grown ass men dancing around this whole thing? What are they doing? After this bit here, cuz it won't go on forever.
We'll uh skip on.
>> Sorry, Specs. I pressed play. I didn't mean to.
>> No, I want to know what he said. Tell us what he said. And now he's expecting us to to feel sorry for this dude and who's like, you know, sat in a nice place and that chilling out um talking about how bad his life is and everything else. And oh, I got sacked from the bank because I said something that definitely wasn't racist, but we're not going to tell you what I said. You don't have to worry about it. It definitely wasn't racist.
Like, okay then. Do you know what?
Because I'm in the caravan, right?
Whenever my dog, he's just he had a little scratch then. whenever he moves around the whole like thing shakes.
>> He's a big dog, isn't he? Right then.
Um, let's crack on with this. And I'm sure any second now, he's going to tell us exactly what was said and we'll understand why it was so, you know, benign.
>> Blog this report as well. Make a big story out of it. Eventually in around the summer of last year, you get this article. It's very vicious and it's obviously largely lifted from the report that came out a few weeks earlier. You know, using slurs, using kind of nonsense labels, calling us Nazis, all that kind of thing.
>> Calling Nazis with any evidence at It was made up with a very clear intention.
>> A Nazi is not It's not a slur. And don't get me wrong, some people use it as a slur, I guess, sometimes, and it can be used in that context, but it's not a slur. It's a description. Why were they calling you Nazi? What on earth did you write, you absolute knobhead? Just give us the goods. Like, tell I'm on the edge of my seat here. Like, come tell me what you said.
>> Do you not find it interesting though so far when he's talking about like the drugs and stuff? and we'll go into that one next and then we'll draw it to a close with Toy Robinson and move on to the auditor fight and stuff. the uh so far he's um he's accused uh he's like trying to bismerch hope not hate by trying to say that well search light magazine maybe had this thing but it's not related to hope not hate and it didn't happen to hope not hate and yet it's in a hope not hate documentary and we just we we all searched it nothing to do with hope not hate right then now he's he's sat down with this guy who's an innocent dude who's just been sacked over a harmless comment that's been taken the wrong way but we were not allowed to know what the comment is.
They're not going to tell us what the comment is. And there's no way at all that sitting down during this filming of this that they didn't ever go, "Well, what was it that he said?" Like, ever?
Like, how did they not say that? Like, that's not a thing, is it?
They would have said that at least.
Like, I'm so confused. This guy is so obviously a grifter. I don't understand how anyone takes him seriously.
>> Of making me lose my job. And it is a common tactic.
>> You did lose your job.
>> Yeah, I was suspended. And then on once the coverage happened they obviously whilst previously like internally the bank I think had kind of thought well maybe this is is just an attack piece once there was coverage obviously is their reputation on the line. So then pretty much immediately I was fired. I have I have worked >> just to let the public understand this.
You committed no crime you speak outside of work about immigration or Islam >> with no hatred.
>> Just facts.
>> And because of that you're where are you now? How's how's your life changed? What do you see for your future now?
financially very difficult of course um because it kills your your income and then there's knock ons from that that are always a pain.
>> Okay. Well, thanks and I hope you um I wish you luck and try and get your life story.
>> Me too.
>> Yeah. Good luck.
>> I hope not.
>> Nope. I'm not going to do it. Do you know what? It's so depressing that I'm going to have to make my dad read out rap lyrics.
>> Yes.
>> Uh let's do it. Let's do it. Um >> all righty. Let's do this.
Uh, >> I shall put on my >> We're going to go for an easy one. But >> Oh, that that bloke worked in a bank. Um they were he was a successful um what do they call them fucking stocks and shares >> no sorry I'm sorry >> um you know successful one of them until he well he just voiced an opinion hile something um and in a second that's the shortened version Um, >> as I can tell, >> um, Smackd >> Rap lyrics. Yeah, I'm really gutted for you, Smack, about what happened. Uh, we haven't had a chat with um, uh, with uh, I haven't had a chat with you about it properly yet, Dad. The reason we haven't gone to see Smack and that is had that >> was it canceled or something? You had that fall out with the train thing and you were like, "Well, I'm not going to be able to get down there."
>> Oh, no.
Yeah, it was the whole thing. He's had it. Do you know what? It might even be worth if he doesn't mind this. The way they spoke to him on the phone and the way that they were um freely willingly to break the law and everything else that might be worth a little add on to the burl bit at the end with the permission uh smack salad. Um but yeah, we had that whole we were going to go down there and go see and I think I guess yeah, we just >> we were Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> whole thing and I was like oh I don't know if that's even a thing anymore. We were going to do that, weren't we? We were actually >> Yeah, but it doesn't it honestly it's uh Don't worry about it, dude. At all. I'm really sorry about that as well because like you were properly looking forward to it. Let me just have a quick smoke.
And yeah, we wanted to come down and see.
>> So, as far as I'm aware, like the train, he was talking about like having his medicines and stuff with him on the train and that and they were like, "No fucking way." And like it's oh god, it's fucking terrible. Anyways, uh rap lyrics because I believe that um you've got an appointment soon, haven't you? So, we'll give you that and then we'll crack on.
So, I'm going to chuck it in the private chat. So, it's there. Let me know when you're ready and I shall um I'll give you the full screen here.
>> There we go.
>> So, I just sneak >> whenever you're ready, guys.
>> Remember guys, there is 10 points available. Five points if you can guess the uh the track title and five points if you can guess the um the actual artist as well. Now >> this one's a bit of an easy one. So we're going to give everyone a bit more of a chance. We are only accepting admissions for the song title and artist that have come after uh you have said go. So you have to when you finish with your thing, Dad, you just say go. Yeah. and then I'll so I'll play the thing when you're ready and that's how we'll deal with it. Panel included. If you want to make your guesses, you can. Uh but you have to do it in chat. Has to be written.
So, you'll know when to start that because I'll hit this button and then I like big butts and I cannot lie. Uh, you are the brothers can't deny it. Uh when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist and a round thing in in your face, you get sprung.
Want to pull up tough cuz you noticed that butt was stuffed.
Deep in the jeans she was wearing. I am hooked on. No, deep in the jeans she has wearing. I am hooked and I cannot stop staring. That was embarrassing. Oh baby, I want to get with you and take your picture that is it. My homeboy is tried to warn me, but that butt you got makes me horny. Oh, rumpled smooth skin.
Go.
>> God, that sounded terrible at the end.
Rumpled smooth skin. That sounds like the worst fucking uh like fairy tale villain ever.
Now then, >> oh god, >> like I'm the rumpled smooth skin. My powers are like don't don't tell us, bro. With whatever you want, you win.
>> Just stop.
>> Oh, it's got skin. Get rubbed cream on his skin.
>> Who's got it? You You didn't say go, Dad. Dad, you didn't say go.
>> I did say go. Did I not? I did.
>> All right. Okay, then. There you go then. There you got to guess the rap's on, guys. You're slacking. Not just you two, by the way, but yeah, them and there in the chat. Let's have a look.
Have we got any guesses?
>> Don't tell me nobody's going to get it.
No smack. It's absolutely right that you're fully aroused, my friend. Um, anything under a semi and you, you know, I'd have been disappointed, but well done.
>> Um, >> Michael said he wrote it.
>> I like I like Cro I like Crow Craig's guess. It's wrong, but I like it.
>> Ah, nobody's getting it, are they?
bit of a behead myself.
>> Well, well guys, >> well done, Michael.
>> There you go. You got yourself 10 clean points. Drop it in the Discord. Uh, but on the scoreboard and we will be checking by the way.
Straight out of buttocks.
>> Straight out of buttocks.
>> S.
So back to the to the depressing Tommy stuff. But on this point we are getting >> Oh, what happened?
>> Wait, did you have we missed it?
>> No way. We had this problem last time.
>> What? Who have we done it with now? Who won? Katie.
>> You know what? points for both of you and an extra bonus point for having to sit through that.
>> Um, yeah, that's absolutely.
>> So, Dad, uh, are you, um, did you, uh, have an appointment to go to? I think he said >> I do. Yes, if you find people wouldn't mind excusing me. I do have to run. Um, >> back in your cage. Go, get out of here.
>> Get back in my cage.
>> Oh, press the end stream then. So, I'll sit on my fingers for now and I'll say thanks for Yeah. Thanks for putting up with me, guys. Love and peace. See you later.
>> I'll put you in the back so I don't have a good night.
>> I've seen you.
>> Right. So, we'll uh we'll mosy our way through um through the the stream. Let me just bring it back up for us. Here we go. Wrong one. It'll be this one. No, that's also the wrong one. We'll try that one. There we go.
So, yeah. So he goes on to make a litany of uh uh claims and stuff that aren't really backed up by well anything. He starts to talk to a particular character uh this geyser here.
>> Um >> yeah, that dude living in the tent. Um >> allegations against me. New stories have been pumped about me from their new source of information. Do you know what?
The only way you can enjoy Tommy Robinson really for like to get the full effect of Tommy Robinson is um when he's like a little chipmunk because I mean it just suits him so well, doesn't it? The gestures >> he's made allegations against me. New stories have been pumped about me from their new source of information. So they come in >> they Oh bless him. He's uh yeah, he's on one.
>> They create the sources. The sources tell say what they want them to say. You >> numb your face right now, Tommy.
>> You're just getting a >> Hey, >> I said numbers your face right now, Tommy.
>> Literally. Right. I was thinking the same when I put him on like a bit fast forward as well. I was like, "Oh god."
Like, he's cracking up, isn't he, Tommy?
>> Bless him.
All right, let me uh just let let me Am I right to with your permission? Am I all right to turn your microphone up a little bit? Uh Spec, so I can hear you when you're >> Yeah. Yeah. Crack on.
>> No worries, bud. Uh all right. And give us a test.
>> M check. One, two. Any Michael in the house?
>> There you go. Any mic check? Any mics?
>> Michael in the house.
source says little do you know the source is black now or being paid now while we're on I could do this about every organization every activist every political activist that's come under attack by these guys but whilst we're on Paul Golden and Britain first I'm going to stay there let's have a look at Tom Foley I've never met Tom Foley I had no idea who he was until I started my investigation into their corruption Tom Foley was a homeless veteran living on the streets he was taken off the streets by Paul Golden brought into his home and just listen to what Tom Foley not me listen to what comes out the horse's mouth in his >> right. Okay. So, this is going to come out the horse's mouth then. Here we go.
>> Views on Paul Golden.
>> I am gone from sleeping in tent. I met Paul Golden.
>> Listen to me, Jamie. You're listening to me.
>> Yeah, I'm listening to you.
>> I love you, bro.
>> Yeah.
>> I love you. I love you. I love you, Mom.
Love you, Ms. >> Do you know what? I get really sad sometimes when I hear um you know, when people are like, "I love you." And like, you know, in that very drunk way. I know it's like a a show of affection, but also it's like, oh, I've met lots of people that have had like adino addiction troubles and things like that and then they just, you know, they sound like that and it's just a sad sad thing.
It's sad to hear people when they're intoxicated sometimes, >> especially with the background, you know, with, you know, addiction living in temp and things like that. It's not great.
>> I love Paul. I tell you what, I love Paul for what he done, what he's doing.
You're fucking angels.
You, Holly, and your mother, Paul, Andy, and Olivia, you're fucking angels.
You're not devils. You're fucking angels. How the fuck would I have got through what I've been through without you?
>> You've heard his opinion on Paul Golden.
>> Yeah. Right. So, we've heard an we've heard an opinion of his on Paul Golden at that time. Now, what Tom teing us up for next is um Oh, I can uh Dad, just to let you know, do you want to turn your camera off? And then anytime you want to bring yourself on, you can do. But I could just what it was was I didn't want to accidentally bring you on. And if I do and your video's on, I could just see you sitting at your PC uh doing your things. Don't worry about it. It's not a big deal. Um or you can even close the tab if you like and reopen it if you need to. It's not a big deal though.
Sorry. Yeah. And never mind. Um so yeah, what he's doing is he's teeing up for um a sort of change of heart. So, what he's doing is he's trying to give you this opinion as though it's solid fact. And anything else that this individual may say against Paul Golden, despite his shiny uh review, if you will, that he's got there, uh, is probably false because this is what he really means while he's intoxicated and in the company and around these people.
The man was welcomed into the organization and traveled everywhere with them. Now, what is it that changes that opinion to this?
>> I think Lincoln City for two weeks and our wife down A1. So, you never picked me off the street. You barged in on a protest. What I were protesting me on my own, not you. And then he changed it all about you and your balls all that up.
Well, you didn't bother. I did it on purpose cuz you were robbing me. You kept me there. Said going in like I meant to. You kept me there.
>> Sounds a bit more sober this time, doesn't it?
>> Yeah. Just tired.
>> You can learn this. You're telling people that you give me 1500 to disappear. No, mate. You've got 15 grand of mine in a bank account, Paul. 15,000 quid. You got 16 and a half grand for me. You owe me 15 grand.
>> So now Paul uh is uh indebted, I guess, to uh this guy by 15 grand. So he says, I believe that this accusation stems from like a uh a benefits sort of uh I don't want to say fraud, but obviously it would be, you know, like a benefit scam where you like take people in and just take the money off them in some sort of way. I think I'm I'm chucking out that there. I don't actually know what the accusation is that he's leveling against this person, but Tommy Robinson is going to try and tell you why all of this here, this sober aversion, this sober opinion of him now is completely bullshit. Uh, and paid for, I guess, by hope, not hate.
>> Yeah, don't be telling people you sent me on my way with 1500 quid.
>> What is it that changes him? Now, let's look at the first person to share Tom Foley's negative.
>> So, he's he has on of his own valition posted that take right now. that dude, that poor dude, right? He has now uh gone like, you know, uh look, I don't like this, whatever. Hope not hate ran with it. And Tommy Robinson, instead of acknowledging anything that he just said, he's going, well, who shared it first? Who is the first person to share it? It's like that like going back to that guy where he's like instead of asking what he said, it's like, well, who shared what you said and who too?
And it's like you are not it's like detective dickhead, isn't it?
I'll never I I just don't understand it.
>> Comments on Paul Golden. It's Matthew Collins from Hope Not Hate. Now, what's changed? What's happened? Well, it's very similar to what's happened here, here, here, and now here. Let's listen to a conversation from Tom Foley. Have you met Hope not hate by any chance?
>> Fucking hell.
>> Have you?
>> Last week.
>> You've met Hope not hate? Yeah.
>> So, you've met Hope not hate?
>> Yeah.
>> Did they reach out to you or did you reach out to them?
>> Yeah, they uh reached out to me and come and stop at my house. I went to their house for one night. Uh got me stoned.
>> Of course. Yeah. Ped in my pocket, paid for my train ticket there. Paid for my train ticket away and come away.
>> So, there you have it. You heard it.
They bought drugs for Tom Foley. Tom Foley was >> which doesn't again like so uh it said >> yeah like so this this is the thing that's they're trying to imply that they've plied in with drugs and of course >> weed is the yeah but I mean even even so weed is still like a um when you've got nothing someone's offering you weed that might be like a power dynamic like you know what I mean I'm not going to deny that at all true >> but as far as I'm aware there is absolutely no evidence that that this took place so he's given three different accounts he said that oh look I love these people. These people are amazing.
They're taking care of me. And then there's been a potentially like a benefit or a GoFundMe scam. That might been what it was, the GoFundMe uh that Paul Golden set up for this gentleman when he took him into his house. Um so there's that. Uh and then there's this bit now where he's saying, "Oh, well, yeah, you know, I had uh you know, I had weed with them." I'm not I'm still not seeing the conspiracy here. I'm not seeing a conspiracy of his own free will. He posted to the internet. Fuck you, Paul Golden. you stole off me and everything else, right? Then >> hope not hate ran with it. Then they've gone and met with him and stuff and they've ran a story. Right now there's no evidence to say that they smoked weed with the guy.
>> And to be honest with you, I mean like like smoking weed with somebody like is that really your go? They're like, "Oh, well they smoke weed. I bet they also drank coffee." Oh, we pied him with drugs, caffeine and sugar.
>> Yeah. I mean, and like there's a difference between getting stoned with someone and just getting stoned with someone and then also getting somebody pissed drunk and telling them to sing your praises >> literally. So that's the thing, isn't it? Piss drunk. Yeah. No, honestly, I've It's never been better than it is right here. And then as soon as he's not pissed drunk out of that situation, it's that guy was robbing off me.
Yeah.
>> And then and now Tommy Robinson's gone, well, they shared it first and there may or may not have been a joint involved, so this is a conspiracy. They're applying them with drugs. No. And also as well, and we're talking like the, you know, how how I guess benign, I guess you could say, uh, cannabis is in this situation, how it wouldn't have made a a damn bit of difference in either way, shape, or form. But that being said, there's no evidence that even happened.
It's there's nothing to say or suggest that it actually took place. Aside from that one dude who is talking to I guess was that Paul Golden he was talking to or someone.
>> Yeah I think so. Sounded like it didn't it?
>> It's madness isn't it?
>> It sounded very much so >> because he suffered from mental health.
>> It did didn't it?
>> And addiction issues. When you get someone like Tom Foley which is what Hope Mahay have done. They've contacted him. They've paid his travel. They've put him up. They've g him drugs. They've gave him money. Now when you give an addict drugs and money, they'll say whatever you want them to say and wait in ready to pump it to the world. Them and the media, this is simply proven to you how hope >> so that he already posted that though and then hope not hate went and shared the story first afterwards, right? That was that was how it worked, wasn't it?
>> And like this guy is not like he made a video of himself talking about this stuff. He wasn't >> like Yeah.
>> And it's it's just it's absolutely weird, isn't it? the the jumping and the connections and the desperation even like to try and connect these dots that just aren't there.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, that's enough for Tommy anyway.
>> I mean, yeah, it just seems very hypocritical of Tommy to say, "Oh, look at Hope not hate doing exactly what Paul Golden did, except without stealing 15 grand off the cunt." Like, >> that's it. Yeah, that's the accusation that's been made.
>> Apologize. My frivolous used the C word there. But >> no, honestly, we don't care about it.
It's just that one time dad was like, "No, you can't write that in the title and I was like, okay, maybe that's" But then afterwards he said it, so I was making a joke like, "Haha, >> but no, it's it's funny.
>> It's um yeah, the whole Tommy Robinson stuff is just a whole bunch of that."
Like the whole documentary from start to finish is literally just that. It's, oh, well, this person, we can't tell you what they said. They had this reaction.
Why don't you tell us the the thing that caused it? Well, no, we can't do that.
And what are you sure? Are you sure you can't do that? Are you Are you sure? Are you sure?
>> It is extremely funny, Cla. It is extremely funny. Tommy 10 names talking about drug addicts when he's sniffed half a fucking Bolivia up his nose.
Like, >> literally. Literally.
So, uh, let me see if I can Did Is this a Nicholas?
No, that's an older one. I need to There we go. So, I'm going to zoom in here so it hides my thingy. In fact, no, actually, I'll do it this way. This way is fine. Uh, this is a response from Hope, Not Hate, just to wrap it up. Uh this is Nicholas himself. Um the man No, I don't want to share Discord. I want to share that.
So this is a response from Nicholas. We are aware of the highly defamatory post by Steven Lennon aka Tommy Robinson against hope not hate. He has now removed the post. Uh not but not before over 1300 like >> uh not before 1300 liked it and numerous people were made very threatening and violent comments. This is now a matter with our this matter is now with our lawyers.
Oo, he's uh he's coming with the smoke, ain't he, Nicholas?
>> Yeah. Oh. Oh.
>> Oh.
>> Tommy there.
>> Oh.
You got one >> platform shoes by myself.
>> They probably have >> those played as well.
>> I know as well. He's like, "Please, I haven't got a belt on, mate. Come on.
Don't do this to me."
>> So, there you go. That concludes Berke.
Aren't we all happy that we know last segment of the stream and then I will let you good guys get on with the rest of your day. Thank you so much for being here up to now as well. I really do appreciate it. Um, we have got a particular Let me just open YouTube and get this up for me now. But the the title of the stream is another YouTube order has been attacked. Um, I guess let's let's find out. Uh, these these auditors are finding themselves in a lot of trouble at the moment. There's been quite a few of these incidences. I don't know if you guys are up to date on any of the the latest auditing business.
Not particularly only only the stuff that I've seen on on your streams generally. So >> good. Now keep it that way. I'm the only streamer talking about this. No, I'm joking. I'm not. There's loads of other people.
>> Um, so there's a couple of videos that I want to draw your attention to. We'll come to the uh the first one. So Lordy uh or LB Audits um as his YouTube handle is now uh let me bring this up now has been attacked.
But I'm getting way ahead of myself because do you know what? We've even got a video for this one as well. We've got it all here.
>> Where is it? You ready?
>> So here we are. This is LB Audits UK.
Lordy uh or Laney. Sorry, I said Lord. I didn't mean Lord. Sorry, that's a different one. A completely different auditor. Um other guy. Anyway, so uh this is uh Laney aka LB Audit. Now he's uploaded a 56 second video of what happened on his uh lovely day out. Do you know what? It was it was a nice day.
What did you do with your day? Um when was this now? Two days ago. When what did you do with your day? Uh, do you enjoy the sun? You know what? What you got? Was anyone visiting the famous, you know, coach depot?
>> No. No. It's working. But >> you missed out.
>> Mhm.
>> Low key, buddy. I would love to come on, but you're molting at the moment. Are you all right to go and lie down on your bed? Good.
>> You throwing fucking bricks at me or something? Who the fuck you throwing bricks at?
Who you throwing bricks at? I've got on.
I'm not Polish. There you go. Look, >> you're a cunt. You You're abusive, mate.
You You're throwing a >> You're a cunt. You're a cunt.
>> Use.
>> So, up to now, uh the video starts. This is we we'll work with this as pretend that it's like the only context that we've got entirely, but and we don't know who he is in general, but uh we obviously do. Um so, this person has uh he's got himself here, and someone has actually thrown something at him. We heard it crashing on the ground. Then we heard like it sounded like metal to be honest. I don't know where he got brick from but um it someone threw something at him. Uh is or it sounds like it did anyway. And that's the allegation that um that LB is making now. So he's then followed who he thinks is has done that to this uh little sort of like security office I guess or or just office for the coach depot um that he's that he's lovely named uh the migrant coach depot.
Um and it kind of goes tit from here.
I'm not going to lie.
>> That's the man there.
>> There you go. Look. Get out of here. Get out of here.
>> What are you doing?
And that's that video. That's it for now. Right. So, let me click back on here. Uh he had a live video which essentially is just him uh eating a cornetto and walking around a coach depot. He didn't actually deserve that.
I will say no one deserves violence. I really don't think that people >> big up people.
But with this type of invasive uh uh activism that they're doing where they're constantly berating these officers because like this this one here now, these people that work in these offices, they're security guards, right?
Security guards have long been the victim of auditors and that guy came out with his face covered because obviously, you know, he's coming in there with his camera. I'm not saying at all that I can donate or anything like that, but with their particular type of invasive activism, I say that it's likely that this is going to happen and it's going to continue to happen. Like I don't know. Do you think these guys are not not asking for it in that sort of aggressive Oh, you're just asking for it. You are in that sort of like abusive sense. I just mean are they is this >> poking it definitely?
>> Yeah, they're poking a bear, aren't you?
I mean, >> where wherever possible, I try to use my words, but if you're going to go around doing these kinds of things and not expect uh this kind of response, hell means you.
>> Absolutely. And I'm not saying that this particular individual, Laney, deserved anything. And obviously, none of us think that. That would be, you know, that's violent. And I'm a pacifist. I don't agree with violence. I genuinely genuinely don't. I will fight to defend.
I'm not above engaging in sports and stuff as well, you know, a bit of boxing or whatever, but on a violence, no. No.
Attacking people, it should never happen. And I don't condone it whatsoever. And I'm not saying that he has done anything specifically to, you know, incur violence here. even if he is like invading the actual buses and stuff and if his overall content is framed in a certain type of people to be a certain type of way based on their profile or demograph whichever it is or isn't um you know they certainly don't deserve violence but it's happening at a much much higher rate. We're going to come over to uh let's have a look at Sploosh Audits. He's got some of the aftermath that we were looking at earlier. um of what you know and how it is. So the camera cut off there and we don't know exactly what happened >> but we do know this >> and they said >> we do see this.
So this is the same later.
>> I won't mention any location.
>> And as you can see he's had a bit of an odd time he had his t-shirt ripped up. He's he's got a couple of bruises on him. Let's uh skip forward a bit here so we can get a better look at him. And I think from about four minutes onwards actually that's when he starts to to discuss what's been happening and things. But yeah, he's uh he's been attacked. I'm not again this is what hap this is the whole point of being like a stochcastic uh auditor. Are you guys familiar with the stocastic auditing theory from concern?
>> Uh yes.
>> No.
Uh it did full circle coming right back to it.
So uh it's really important as well. I sort of vaguely spoke about it kind of last time. Um this is a document that I have uh uh viewed a lot. I've talked about it a lot. There's case studies on there that are relevant to the sort of ecosystem I operate in. And I've been accused of being the author or co-author at least uh a dozen times over. um which of course I am not but you know it won't stop him. So it goes into you know what is auditing um and like myself it talks about like the the good things that auditing does. It goes right back to like uh the Rodney King beating being caught on tape and how that you know sort of awoke uh a whole bunch of people um into you know filming the police and things like and how video could be uh account how video could be used to hold people account and then how you know YouTube it's really in depth and I recommend that people really you know want to if they want to understand auditing and everything else and they really get into it but this is the most relevant part. So, um, stochcastic instigation. The short answer is that a stocastic, and we're just going to deal with the short answer for now, though, as well, cuz they've conveniently done that as well. But, um, the short answer is that a stochastic instigator is a person who spreads propaganda and hate speech through that and through that messaging. They indirectly incite others to violence.
So, it's not in it's not inciting violence. It's not directly inciting violence. It's about that indirectly doing it and creating the environment whereby it's most it's going to happen.
you just you can't control where for a far more nuanced and comp uh complex answer than that um is exists here. Uh and then there's the stages of it. It goes through the pyramid of hate and everything else. Um uh and then we end up on to uh what is a stochcastic order.
So uh let me get into the short stochcastic order is a person who idolizes one or many stoastic instigators and actively works to amplify the hate speech and dangerous messaging that they share. They do not just amplify. They actively try to prove the stochastic instigators misinformation and exaggerated statistics as fact. which is why we're finding these people all across um hotels and things because people like Tommy Robinson who is the initial stocastic instigator has with his uh uh stochastic auditors managed to whip up all these people that go running into hotels and trying to prove that they're all criminals, they're all this, they're all violence, they're all and under that framing, under that hate speech and everything else, they have created an environment whereby violence is very very very likely to happen. If you guys haven't already, I thoroughly recommend that you read the stochcastic auditing theory. It's got some fantastic examples and case studies and things as well.
It's evidenced. It's credible. Take a look at it. I've put the um pardon me, I've put the uh link in the chat there, so go and check that out. Written by concern as in it's worth a read. Um but bringing that back over to this guy now and the reason why it's relevant is that this man didn't specifically do anything to instigate an attack on himself. But the castic orders broadly have been creating an environment whereby violence is much likely to happen. They are aggressive. They are instigators. They are in your face. They are dangerous.
They don't mind fighting. You know what I mean? And they don't mind uh being uber aggressive all of the time. And so naturally people are now responding to that and they're matching energy. And I don't think that this is right but this is what's happening now that their energy is being matched. People are giving them the same energy back and we're getting a feedback and our auditors are getting battered everywhere.
>> So you read the uh stocastic order theory did you Kate?
>> I did. Yes. Yes. Thank you for that by the way. You give it to me before. Yes.
>> It's always Yeah, great.
Really good uh information resource for that one. Yeah. So, you know who you're dealing with essentially. I I know what they're they're like the football fans exist and me being like football enjoyer. So these kinds of um maybe not far, don't get me wrong, there are farr right football fans out there in the world, out in the wild and stuff, but a lot of them uh basically act like this, especially here in Glasgow.
Sectarian violence. Never heard of it. I I'm >> What is that?
What is that when it's at home?
>> Exactly.
>> But yeah, that's everyone. I urge you to read that. It's really quite good.
>> Always gives you it gives you good information and stuff. So yeah, >> not this is now um >> that's what I'm telling you. What's happening, guys?
>> So this is Laney now explaining what's happened soon. And this is can be found over at Sploosh. And this is publicly available materials being used for the purposes of review under the fair use and dealings. Um, and yeah, >> right. So anyway, long story short, cuz we're doing an investigation, um, whoever watched the live back, you can see obviously my phone fell out my hand because >> I think someone jumped.
>> He jumped me. I think someone >> I don't know. It happened so quick. One of >> basically, right, I went looking for confrontation. I found it, dropped it, and fucking ran.
>> Yeah.
>> Be sure your sins will find you out.
>> And again, I'm not condemning violence.
What else do you expect?
>> Neither am I.
>> But certain people react in a certain way. We all do. We all have our own fables and stuff like that. But yeah, not expecting it. Yeah. Yeah. you're you're a numpty because certain people will act in that sort of way. So yeah, >> absolutely that >> I'm honestly surprised that it's happening >> uh uh sorry that it's not happening as much as you'd think you know with a lot of these people with their uber aggression. A lot of people are very good at keeping their calm which is a good sign. However, there is a worrying trend now. This is, you know, we are seeing them being attacked a bit more and now that they're not being favored by the police and being, you know, brought into the neutral uh sort of like sterile zones of protest where they can I'm just a citizen journalist. No, you're not. You're not a citizen journalist. You're part of the protest.
Mark Rowley said. So, get back in your fucking side. Get back on your side of the protest because they are just activists. Remember, this is their activism as well. So, he's gone there. I mean, I saw somebody else sharing this uh particular video when they were talking. And this guy himself as well, they were on a stream uh together reviewing what had happened to him. And uh the it was being written so many times that the host had to ask, "What does FFO stand for?"
>> Kind of means fuck around. Find out >> my arm. And I had Next thing you know, my phone, he must he must have caught me phone cuz my phone come out my hand. And I never let go of my phone. Do you know what I mean?
>> No. So, I had the phone and when it fell on the floor, >> I saw a g uh These were coach drivers anyway, weren't they?
>> They were all coach coach drivers that they know me. They know who I am, >> but um they uh fucking >> Why do they know you? Are you there often? Like, what is this fucking thing like with these guys like following coach loads of people? At one point, uds, right? At one point, this guy actually followed a coach full of people that he thought I assume he thought they were like suspiciously brown or whatever. I don't know what made him think that it was an asylum uh like a trip like a either an asylum seekers day out or like maybe it was like they were filming on the buses asylum seeker edition. Um or they're just transporting him from one hotel to another hotel potentially. Um but I I he followed like they were going to a like a a factory.
They were just workers on their way to work. Like the coach comes, picks them up, takes them to work, they go work, and they just followed this truck of random this coach load of random workers around for hours, hours and hours. These fucking auditors, man.
But these, you know what? I think I'm going to stop calling them auditors and just start appropriately appropriately titling them as just activists. They are just farright activists, most of them.
And they do exist on a spectrum.
There's, you know, no denying that.
There is, you know, some that exclusively focus on police. I don't know those guys, but apparently they exist and those guys are doing good work, you know. I get that. And original auditors completely agree with and stand together with, you know, but this isn't audit. And this is this is weird farright activism.
Yeah, they I tried to run out, but they they'd locked me in. So, I was in a situation where I'm locked in. And um yeah, like you know, I couldn't really fight back because I had about I had arms coming from everywhere. So my main priority here, let's move was just to try and avoid these B.
>> Defend defend yourself.
>> Well, my adrenaline was running. But >> I like I like the way he's not taking the opportunity to be like, "Yeah, fucking knock them all out." Because a lot of these auditor dickheads do that for the YouTube clicks and that and he's like, "Well, defended yourself." And he's like, "Well, like avoiding, yeah, avoiding getting hit is exactly what a normal person should be saying after they get into a situation like that."
And it must it sounds scary. Like, I mean, fuck being in that situation. Fuck getting jumped by random people that are masked up and that, but at the same time, do you know how do you know how to avoid all of this? It's so obvious. I'm going to ask the specs. Okay. How do you avoid getting into these situations, guys?
Don't invade businesses or places.
>> Just don't do that.
>> You wouldn't believe how difficult they find that thing. They don't understand the logic there. You might as well have said like, "Oh, you just throw your weabix at the wall." They be like, "Well, how does that help me? How would not being in the situation avoid being in the situation?" Like, you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. You fuck around and you will find out. These are all cliches, but all very true.
The sooner most of these guys realize that the better. Really just >> absolutely >> a lot of them actually start on the the hell site which I am no longer on. Thank God for that. Elon go away.
>> Yeah.
>> And you can call it X as much as you like. I'm not going back onto that hellscape. I'm not. It is a hellcape.
Most of the pe most of these people are on Twitter.
So nah, only going to avoid it.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Don't be a menace to South Central while drinking your juice in the hood.
Truer words have never been said, Andy.
Uh, honestly, I've never never known true words. Honestly, and as well, by the way, I forgot, we've got some really cool content creators like Andrew in the chat there. So, if you just type in Andrew Luke on YouTube, you'll find his channel. Um or if you could drop your own uh link that would be awesome. If anyone can help out on the mods as well actually. But um yeah, and Katy as well also streams and Specs is worth uh subbing up to just because um at the very least he's on other people's streams and we like to use him as a we like to like tag him as a collaborator.
So like you can find all the other stuff with specs on it from his channel as well. If you don't mind me plugging you by the way.
>> No, no, that's totally fine. Yeah. Um, if I get time before uh I have a very life-changing thing happen soon, um, I am going to start trying to cover the the incentives more often. So, yeah, keep an eye out because I will be throwing up VODs. So, or maybe I might even stream one day next week, but we'll see.
>> Oh, >> fair warning specs.
most either PMQs, FMQs are kind of procedural and sometimes dull as all hell.
>> Yeah.
>> Speaking covers FMQs and PMQs for my sins.
>> Mhm.
>> But it's always good to get the information out there and what's actually happening in the devolved administrations.
PMQs is spectacle now though.
>> Yeah. But, you know, I I I especially want to keep track now because they're actually going to use the powers they've got. So, yeah.
Yeah, there's that.
So, I think um so honestly there's not apart from this guy being, you know, having his clothes ripped and being shaken off, there's not many angles that we can come at this from. Um, yeah, it was a, you know, a shitty thing to have happened to him. And, you know, honestly, I do kind of feel for the dude a little bit, but also at the same time, you know, this whole fucking round, finding out business, um, is just like it's going to happen. It's going to keep happening. So, backstage, we have got a very special guest, the one, the only Hey guys, what's going on?
>> Hey. Hey guys, what's going on? Hey, audio.
>> Oh, hang on a sec.
Sorry, I could hear you twice then. It's better.
>> Yeah, sorry. I've missed like the last five minutes. Uh, what do you you were saying about like stochastic auditing or something.
>> Yeah. So, um, it's a concept that was, uh, written about in the stoastic auditor theory. Um, which was great.
>> Wait, can I guess what it is? Because I know like stochastic means. I don't know what's to is it just like sort of like like uh trying to provoke people like making a outcome more likely and then eventually that outcome happens like someone's violent towards you and then you're like ah see see >> pretty much pretty much yeah exactly.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Like uh the stochcastic terrorism kind of like uh >> you know like the Nigel Farage riot thing.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly.
>> Yeah. Yeah. He he made the situation likely to happen by going out there and saying, "Oh, you know, I'm just asking questions just like maintaining plausible deniability and then it happens >> and it's like obviously that was likely to happen."
>> Yeah. Yeah. Completely like it works on a basis of like probabilities and if you're increasing the probability which because originally the term comes from like mathematics I believe.
>> Yeah. Ex. Exactly. Exactly.
>> Yeah. But like with like Naj Farage and things and like an important distinction is the reason why it wasn't sort of direct sort of incitement was because he didn't say you should go and do this.
Instead what he did was >> paint this asking questions.
>> Yeah. Just asking questioning deniability.
>> But if you look at Donald Trump and indeed this guy here on our screen now uh this uh this order like with the order with like Donald Trump is a really good example. There was that book weaponized words that goes into I haven't read it, but I've heard like a I've had it explained to me a little bit. Um, so I think I understand, but I don't know. But my my understanding is that um you don't even like the whole the whole reason about it being sarcastic and the reason why it's so dangerous is you don't even get to like control where it goes. You just create the chaos. So if you're Donald Trump, for example, and you're uh calling, you know, certain groups and people, you know, horrible, dirty, whatever, you're not only increasing the likelihood that someone may take up arms and harm them, but you're also increasing the likelihood that it can happen to you.
>> Like with that violent rhetoric, it can the blowback is, you know, it's quite significant, which is why Donald Trump's been shot at or attempted to be shot at more times than most presidents have in modern times.
>> Oh god. Yeah. And that also explains why it's it tends to be >> his own followers.
>> We all forget that Reagan got shot and that's like modern times, I'd argue.
>> Like >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> But like like a example anyone can understand is like if you go up to a bunch of people, insult them, it's more likely they're going to like attack you.
>> Yeah.
>> And if you're trying to do that on purpose, you might do that like 20 times and nobody attacks you. But then like the 21st time someone punches you in the face and you go, "Whoa, whoa."
>> And then that's the bit you put on the internet. So >> yeah.
>> And it works really well with like stocastic auditing and the crybully tactic. It's just like combo better than like oh it's better than like cheese and onion. It's great.
>> Like they like they go there they intentionally to find like a sort of kickoff. They do as much as they can to provoke it without directly inciting violence. And then when it go kicks off, they're like, "I'm the victim. Oh, I'm only five foot seven." That was that was a genuine quote.
>> Oh, seriously?
>> Yeah.
>> Brilliant.
>> Wait, who said this? This this guy who you were just watching?
>> Not that particular order. Another audit. Um, >> okay.
>> Uh, yeah. He uh he was uh causing lots of troubles and then he was like, "Oh, I see it. I'm only 5 foot." He got chased away one time. It was It was a whole thing. a whole thing to go into. But the auditing scene in general, seeing as we're on like the audit corner bit, um the stochastic audit, >> I think that like >> that particular document has never been more relevant because at the moment they're starting to be attacked quite a lot. Like I got in a bit of a like there was a bit of a a thing online where some people were like, "Oh my god, you were laughing at this order of being it was a violent laugh. You laughed at this order of being attacked." And I was like, "No, I'm just it's one of those that you know, you play stupid games, you get stupid prizes." We've been warning about this for ages. I've been banging on about this for a long time. And this guy actually did get quite seriously attacked. They framed it as an attempted murder, but they do that because they like to. Uh it's not an attempted murder. It was an attack and it was quite brutal. He was, you know, he got beaten up quite a bit. And uh >> yeah, like it's happening again. More auditors are getting beaten up. And the same guy actually who went to another protest um in the UK this time he got uh I've seen footage of people kicking him and stuff like you know straight off his you know it was only last week that he got really viciously beaten. I mean like >> there's a common denominator here though, wasn't there?
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm guessing you weren't laughing at the violence. You were laughing at like like situations.
>> It wasn't.
>> There was We laughed specifically at their framing where they went and they tried to murder him and we were like, "Oh god, >> these guys, right, come on then. Let's have a look at this."
>> Yeah.
>> That's funny.
>> That's That's super hilarious. That one.
Wait, what? One second.
>> The left as well.
>> I might as well. Yeah, >> leftians. Oh, >> of course, of course, of course.
>> Um, yeah, these are these auditors. Um, I also think that they Oh, sorry Katy.
>> It's okay. I was going to say uh one principle that I always it's always forefront in my mind, chat shit, get banned.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And we don't condone violence, but that is an >> Don't condone violence, but that that does actually happen.
>> Yeah. It's it's like a law of physics eventually, you know, it happens. Yeah.
They keep playing the numbers game.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> For the longest of time as well, they had uh the backing of like the police and stuff for a while, you know, because obviously, you know, the pinak principles, the original audit in photography is not a crime and they pose as sorry, citizen journalists. Could I be classed as a citizen journalist?
>> I don't >> I'm not actually going out there doing vox pops or anything but yeah.
>> What does that as a citizen journalist?
Is it just like if you have a camera?
>> So it depends on the situation. It is dependent.
>> Yeah, >> it does depend on the situation. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So like citizen journalism itself is a very real thing. So if you're if you've got a camera and you're in an area where like an event is is unfolding, you you capture it. It's it's about the the collection. I'm just having a look at there's an overview as well to help me out. Uh collection reporting and analysis of news uh and information by ordinary untrained members of the public. So like if you're using a smartphone, social media and blogs and stuff.
>> So right. Okay. But there is now. So when I say that these people aren't citizen journalists, that's because they are far they're activists. Yeah. Yeah.
They're trying to get a result.
>> Yeah. Absolutely. They are. They're genuinely activists. And when you hear like for example um there's two of them that would call themselves till you blew in the face and they'll say I am a citizen journalist. But they wear a sandwich board with Robert Low's face on it.
>> Oh yeah.
>> Okay.
>> That's you know like there is a level of neutrality and impartiality that's supposed to involve the rest. I'm sorry.
I can't even go any further. We have to ask the the ultimate question. Can a sandwich board have a penis?
>> Can a sandwich board have a penis?
Hannah Hannah question?
>> I I I'm not a biologist. I can't answer that question.
>> The uh yeah, it's um it's it's a worrying growing trend, the whole sandwich board thing, but it's happening. Um but they yeah they will stand in sandwich boards with this information and tell you you know till the cows come home that they are in fact citizen journalists and like it's that isn't the case at all. And usually citizen journalism is typically sort of happens when um when like you know like an event unfolds and someone just happens to have a camera and they break it out. But there's also like uh that's citizen journalism but you can also be like an independent journalist which is different from citizen journalism very much the same but when you're going out and seeking it where you're not employed by anyone. And then there's journalism, you know, the trade itself. There's lots of different If you try and explain the nuances to these people, they will look you in the face and say like, you know, like they just with a blank stare like a cow looking at a headlight coming towards it chewing grass. Like they just they don't get it. So we've got uh we've got LB Audits in the house who is the the auditor that was attacked. Um thank you for making an appearance. But yeah, >> it's but it's one of those things that you know and I'm I'm glad you're okay by the way. Um, honestly, Laney, is it I think it's Laney people call you. I'm glad that you're all right and you're not seriously injured.
>> Um, my suggestion is if not that you asked for it, but seems turned up. Uh, you could avoid that in future just by not doing that stuff. Just by not, you know, cultivating the environment whereby those things happen. Um, and I mean that on a genuine note. I'm not trying to make a dig. I just I honestly think that it's safer. You know what I mean? Like you can make content and stuff in lots of different ways. You know, >> this auditing business isn't good for anyone. like it's just it's not sustainable. They're either they're either getting they're either getting battered, they're either in >> in the docks, for example, you know what I mean? Or like like Ay audits going have to represent himself uh and uh what's his face? Jackson Media, he's also in court and stuff. Like these people are either in court uh being prosecuted, being arrested, or being attacked or a combination of all three.
Like it's not a sustainable like genre.
Do you know what I mean?
You have every right to freedom of speech. LB, by the way, just be careful. I don't want anyone to get injured and have like um either minor damage like broken bones, cup cut face, and stuff like that.
>> Absolutely. And you know, I don't disagree.
>> I feel sorry for your t-shirt. I feel sorry for your t-shirt, by the way, dude.
>> Uh did you turn that t-shirt into a t-shirt?
Wait, what?
>> You're probably a little bit right because you might not have seen the last you said as well, you didn't see like the last five minutes, but just as a quick recap without I won't bring the video up and do that again, but um >> yeah, I didn't see the video so I don't know what >> Yeah. So, uh yeah, just typical it's a typical situation which Yeah. And it was a scary situation. Absolutely. Um, and I feel like you might even, you know, they are responsible for their staff and there was a brick thrown and I'm going to put it out there though. It wouldn't have been a situation at all if you weren't in the coach depot walking around getting onto buses, doing all of that stuff. It's Yeah, it's a scary situation that you created.
>> Um, >> yeah. No, it's not that I don't want to.
It's No, I I appreciate you giving me permission. I do appreciate that. I was just And you know, for context, it would make sense, but we had already played the video is what I was saying to to Ollie, but um yeah. No, it was a scary situation that was created by them and you know and why would you want to be in that situation and again like I know I understand that if it had just said leave then you know but I also why are we there in the first place? The whole point of doing these things is so you can go there cause a you know controversy and then film it for clicks and if this controversy happens to come in the form of someone throwing a brick at you then maybe it's not worth the clicks. Maybe, you know, I saw that window getting broken. You know, there was a hope there was like five men at you like before the camera went down. And I don't know exactly what happened when that camera went down. I'm grateful that your face isn't all busted up and that, but still couldn't have been fun no matter how well you, you know, didn't get hit, but man, I don't understand why auditors keep doing it.
Like I I guess I do clicks and views, but and it's monetizable obviously, but it's not sustainable, man.
>> Like you're not going to it can't go on forever. And you know what? It's going to cost us our rights. That's the next thing I want to raise. I I think that auditors are going to cost us civil liberties at some point. They're going to your right to film in public spaces because if they if they said to the public right now, look, right, here's what we're going to do. We're going to ban auditors from filming in public.
Most public would be like, "Yeah, S."
They hate that shit. They hate being the victims of this stuff. They hate when people go around towns and shove cameras in your face. It's quite an easy thing to, you know, it's quite an easy thing to remove. But with that comes a huge lack of public accountability with the police with everything like what if the when the vagrancy act gets repealed like because they were talking about replacing that with criminal trespass. Yeah, that is a sort of digger orders but it also cuts out all of the the sitins protests and like you know anything like if you're asked to leave it's criminal offense immediately if you're on property and it's it really affects a lot of people and our right to like free assembly in public spaces. I think that they represent quite a danger to that. I could be wrong and I'm probably just waffling. someone take over. But >> no, I don't think you I think you're correct. You are correct. I don't >> and it it's I don't think you're doing a slippery slope argument. I think, you know, especially with big fucking >> this Labor government as well that are forcing forcing digital ID on us and >> you know, but we still doing the digital ID thing like >> right they got pushed through. You might you might have missed it because of the um because of the whole Wageddon thing, but essentially um >> in the king's speech it got pushed through. So yeah, >> does everyone ever do it or is it optional?
>> But like >> if it depends on what way it depends on what way they draft the legislation is still getting written. Don't worry, your ass is watching.
>> Okay. And if they expect us to pay for it, they know where they can fucking go.
>> Oh, they can on us. They can pay for it, not us.
>> Yeah, I'm not fucking Why would What would we have to pay for anyway? It's a fucking uh >> Yeah, you can report yourself.
>> And the way um her and Lami are trying to criminalize this gathering in public.
>> Yeah.
>> Can go and go away. I'll be polite. But yeah, no.
Uh Shabana and David, just go away. Stop trying to take away our our civil liberties. Thank you.
>> Yeah.
Fucking right to a jury trial for fuck's sake. But they're trying.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's just let's not do society, guys. Just use the Yeah. Yeah. Just just not do that.
>> Don't worry about it. Don't worry about We'll save some money and just not do society. It's fine.
>> Who Who needs Who needs society and rules and things like that?
>> Exactly. I I didn't know that the Labour Party were anarchist, but Okay.
>> That's crazy.
>> Rock on, man. Fucking Yeah, that's pretty cool, actually.
>> Yeah, I was going to say Karma doesn't have the vibe of an anarchist, does he?
He doesn't >> I I wouldn't see him front in like a punk band, you know?
>> No.
>> Yeah, I'd love it. Who knew as well?
Like we were all like he's We just didn't recognize that he That is a really good thought. Is it is Kiest armor so shit at his job that he's basically an anarchist?
>> Yeah, >> it's going to be private companies that are going to do the um digital idea, isn't it?
>> Oh yeah, probably. I probably like Palanteer or like I don't know the umbrella corporation. Who the fuck knows?
>> Oh. Oh, great. That's great. I trust I trust them.
>> Whale and Dutani, maybe.
>> I totally trust them.
>> Can't think of any more evil corporations off the top of my head, but you know.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I want my idea to be robbed by the guy who can't answer the question of humanity should continue to exist. That's what I want.
>> Oh, Jean.
Lucky you. But um yeah, it's uh we live in that sort of like goes back to what we were saying before as well about like the effects of late stage capitalism and now we've got this group that we're calling the neats which is the uh not in employment or education or trained >> um category of like 16 to 24s and it's just because we've like it's just mad isn't it how we've got this system and we're like right are we happy with commodifying everything and like you know >> like just it making a system that isn't built for people and everyone's Yeah, let's keep doing this. Let's It's a great system.
>> Keep doing it.
>> You just have to keep doing it to make more profit over time. So, just eat into everything.
>> To start selling the kidneys soon.
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah. I mean, economically, you've woken up in a bath of ice already. Really?
>> But like it's it's Yeah. It's dark times ahead.
>> I don't do well in the >> That's a good analogy.
No, but we've uh yeah, I think that um the best bet that we've got moving forward is just hoping and praying that food prices don't correlate with oil prices, which we know they do, but let's just hope that isn't a real thing.
>> Um that's the next big thing, isn't it?
Apparently, I don't want to scare anyone either, and I'm not trying to be a doomsay. Your food prices will go up.
You will starve. No. Um, >> nuts how much I had on food today.
>> Like I've already spoken about this behind the scenes like um before the show.
>> But yeah, damn. Food prices are getting crazy already. Like I spent like seven quid in Morrison earlier and I only came out with two bags.
>> Yeah, it's insane. Hey, >> it's getting bad. Like let's have a look. Um, so since the sorry since the start of the cost of living crisis, food prices uh are on track to raise by 50%.
>> There's no excuse for that really, is there? I mean, we know the reasons why, you know, uh, but there's no excuse for it.
>> Isn't it much worse in the UK just because we don't put any effort into regulating the shit? Yeah, >> you go into other countries in Europe and things are like much cheaper. Not because >> we're out of the EU, just because we haven't bothered to >> like I remember reading something about that. Yeah, >> that's fucking insane, isn't it? So, uh >> I mean, this is something where I'm going to disagree with Helena on, right?
Because I think price caps should be a thing like especially like during a cost of living crisis.
>> Oh, does she not think we should put price caps on?
>> No. And I I understand your reasoning, but like you can subsidize the the the like dairy farmers or whatever and the you know wheat furnace >> like >> it'd be easier to put up the minimum wage. Rachel, can you hear us?
>> Oh, don't say don't say that. So you can't >> end up in a fucking inflationary spike spiral at the end of it as well where like you know you're fucking Germany and it's going to be a wheelbarrow worth of fucking change to get a fucking >> Yeah. But we're already in an inflationary spiral. It's just like it's so it's a profit poverty spiral where it's just the other end.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
From bought >> Yeah. Like oh profits can go as high as they want. It won't it won't cause inflation at all. But wages go up slightly. It's like, "Oh, it's going to kind of spiral out of control." It's already spiraled out of control just in the opposite direction.
>> Like, >> no, you're you're not wrong.
>> Or uh a profit cost spiral like whatever. Yeah. Just you could you know what I mean?
>> Yes. Like when people talk about like economics, they like use concepts that are correct, but they only talk about one side of it.
So like that example, they only talk about uh a wage price spiral, but they don't talk about a pro a profit cost spiral profit poverty sp like it's the exact same thing. It's just the opposite, but it never gets talked about >> and that that's already happened.
>> The one that sticks in my mind, I can't remember who else was on the panel. Um an uh Whitam was on Jeremy Vine. This was like >> Yeah. Yeah. That that was actually the example that was in my head cuz she said it like 20 times in that one thing. I was like, "Oh my god, >> you did." And I just wanted to say, "Shut up."
>> Yeah, >> that's not happening. And thank you.
>> And it's the same thing with like slippery slope things like when people talk about taxing rich people. It's like that's a slippery slope. They'll want to tax all the money off the rich people.
And it's like we're already on a slippery slope that the rich people have wanted just extracted everything. like we're on the slip we're in the bottom of a slippery slope for the opposite scenario and they're like worried about a slippery slope. It's ridiculous. Like >> absolutely it is. And then like you were saying before about the talking about one thing but not talking about the other. Like they talk about like the needs and necessity for austerity over time, but they don't talk about like the record-breaking profits that people are pulling out of you know these companies and services that you need. And >> yeah, it's um it's an interesting system, isn't it? Because like from the outside if you were like not that there is a really objective thing because we live in it but like if you were to like sort of like zoom out a little bit from like stuff and we just like oh what would be the best possible like um like economic structure um and social structure that we could have between us you know that would work for the best of everyone.
>> It isn't this. And nobody seems to be asking like the questions of like well what what is it then? Is it not that?
It's not this. It's not capitalism.
>> I'm not even like saying I know exactly what the answer is but I can tell you capitalism is a failed experiment. I 100% agree with you.
>> Some of the some individuals on the on the upper end, the ones who actually get most of the money, capitalists essentially, tears.
>> They say that increasing the minimum wage or increasing wages is going to cause a a wage spiral.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> No, it's it's the it's the opposite.
It's the other it's the other way around.
>> Yeah. Yeah. A profit.
>> Mostly mostly of right. Yeah.
>> They're literally taking all the money away from us.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Trust me, we live it every day.
>> And like when it says, "Oh, you can't put wages up because it will affect businesses." One, it's like, >> why is why does the business why do you have the right to own a business and pay people poverty wage in the first place?
But also like if you change the rules to any game that's being played, it's going to affect anyone negatively somewhere. We only have a problem with it when it's businesses.
>> But like you change the rules of the game to like wages up, it's like then it's suddenly a bad thing, you know?
>> Yeah.
>> To kill the poor.
>> Yeah. If you suppress wages, >> it benefits businesses and it screws over workers. And if you put wages up, >> like obviously if you put I don't mean like to ridiculous degrees, but if you put wages up, it benefits workers and it benefits businesses, but if you do it too, >> but they only talk about it that one way cuz it's like it's >> such an obvious bias.
>> Oh, you hear people talk about economics and just like flip it in your head and be like, "Oh, what's the opposite to this concept and is that happening?" And it's like, "Oh, yeah, that's been happening for four years." It's like these days. Yeah.
>> I I thank Helina No Justice MTG for explaining this to me cuz one for most of my life I've always said the minimum wage needs to be 20 pounds an hour. And she explained how that would have been a disemployment um policy to do that. He said you you'd be fine with you you've said 15 before in the past. you'd be fine with £15 an hour.
>> So £15 an hour is better than 1271.
>> I still class that I'd still class that as poverty wages, but it would be a little bit better. A little bit.
>> Also, the way it's talked about so broadly, people assume that >> it's like one like it's a one:1 ratio.
Like if your wage goes up by one pound an hour, then everything else goes up to match it instantly. So it's pointless.
It's like, no, that's that's not that's not how it works.
>> No, it literally isn't. Yeah.
>> Like, it doesn't work with profit. Like, oh, we may as well not make any profit because everything else is going to go up and the profit will be useless anyway. Like, obviously they don't say no.
>> Who needs all this profit going around anyway? Like, you know what I mean?
>> Everything will go up to match it. So, it'll be the same anyway. It's like, no, obviously not.
>> It's like the system the system perfectly reacts to like match the inflation in one area. It's like, no, it's So yeah, >> I feel like Specs is burying the bodies.
That's what that noise is.
>> Yeah. What you doing?
>> I would um make it a cup of coffee actually. That's that's that's what I do.
>> Oh yeah. Do you >> do you heat it up with a mallet? Do you >> Oh no, I just threw the spoon cuz I like I was opening the It was direct coffee cuz my partner gave it to me the other day.
>> I was opening it up but I felt the spoon in my hand. like hurt my hand somehow.
Like I it dug into my hand in a tiny way and I hurt myself.
So I threw the spoon.
>> I see. You get angry with the spoon.
Makes sense.
>> Yeah.
>> I've had a ridiculous amount of coffee today. So I feel you. And I started my day off with a caffeine pill as well. So I've been denied my entire living room for fucking two and a half fucking hours.
Um, yeah, don't worry about it. She's I think she's got company at the moment and they are enthralled in uh the Celtic game, which by the way, what was the score? Not that I'm actually I don't I'm not a football fan. I'm just invested now because it was like 3-0 before and it sounds exciting.
>> Do you know what the results were expect?
>> I haven't got a clue. I can find out though.
>> Oh, no pressure. You don't have to.
Yeah. 311 >> hair tips only. All right. Uh that genetics >> pretty well.
>> Okay.
>> Sorry.
>> Not allowed to bully Michael like that.
He's a moderator around here apparently.
I don't know who made I don't know who let him in, but apparently he is. Uh >> oh my god.
>> He's trying to spam her on the floor and he's never given it back.
No, he hasn't.
>> I forgot he was actually to be fair. No, I'm joking. Um, it's uh, yeah, it's a it's a funny old environment that we're living in at the moment. We've got these activists doing what they're doing.
We've got like we've got a whole new group now, the neats. That's a phrase that I wasn't familiar with. Um, >> Oh, you ain't familiar with that? That's been around for a while really.
>> I didn't know that. Yeah, I that was that's a whole new one for me. I didn't realize it.
>> And it's such a convenient thing as well. Like that's what I was saying there such like uh it's such a symptom of capitalism that even having a group called neats is just like this rather than having like guaranteed you know work position things to come out to rather than having like you know decent training and stuff that's guaranteed if they need it and everything else.
>> So it's also tactic as well.
>> Yeah.
But I think I'm uh I'm going to have to feed these dogs. Uh otherwise, they're going to eat me. They need their late dinner. They've had their breakfast and their treats and now they've run out of treats and they want dinner dinner. So, I'm going to sort them out. I really appreciate you all coming on. I'm going to I don't know if you guys are, but I will be in Discord uh straight after this as well. I can feed Discord stuff.
Um so, yeah. And also as well, I'm going to drop out the link for anyone that wants to sort of join us in Discord. Um, and I'm going to go ahead and say I know it is kind of open to everyone, but no orders, please. Just for now, if you're still watching and we drop the link out, it's not for you. We love you very much, and I'm glad you're okay, but chill.
>> Chill, dude. Uh, right, you guys. Take it easy. Thank you very much for being on here. Really appreciate it. Stay safe, guys. Love and or Discord.
Bye-bye.
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