THE AUTOPSY! ‼️🤯 Medical Examiner gives VERDICT as parents REFUSE Polygraph! - PART 2

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[00:00:01]>> You have one for strong to the head.

[00:00:03]Would you like to take a polygraph? In this episode, we have the continuation and finale of this terrible sad story about two young children who have passed away under strange circumstances within three months of each other in the same home. The mother and the stepfather are accused of perpetrating their death. We have a world-renowned medical examiner who combs through the autopsy results and he gives definitive answers about what he believes happened to these children. Are these parents being falsely accused or should they wind up in prison? I'm Zippy Morgan, you be the judge.

[00:00:31]>> Now it's time to hear from Julia's father Terry, who says his former son-in-law Tommy has a history of anger and violence, not his daughter.

[00:00:41]Julia is my daughter. She was a great mother, kind and warm-hearted. She loved her children. Tommy was not a good husband. He had a mean streak and huge anger problem. One time Tommy went into a fit of rage. They had a little tiny dog. The dog was in his way and he kicked the dog and the kids were just terrified. The next day the dog is dead.

[00:00:57]What kind of person would take to kick a dog so hard that it would Another time, Tommy hit Julia, [music] reached over the top of Kiera and Darby, then slugged Julia while she was on the couch. Slugged her in the face. The first word out of our little Kiera's mouth was daddy hit mommy.

[00:01:11]I look back and see how much pain my daughter had to go through. She was scared for her life. I wish Tommy and Julia had never met.

[00:01:20]Terry, thank you for being here today. Is there any theory under which Tommy is suspect in the death of these two children?

[00:01:30]No, not at all. So what what did why is it that you felt like we needed to know what it is that you just said?

[00:01:38]>> We need to understand the to put everything to perspective and understand where my daughter was coming from, why she moved back and forth. Those are things that are a little kind of confusing. Here's my point. It seems to me that if we're trying to figure out what happened with these children, whether he was a jerk or not a jerk, months before, years before or whatever, is off point. It does explain why she left and and why she was up there. So, the big question remains, why and how did Darby and Kira die? We brought in one of the world's leading forensic pathologist to examine the autopsy reports and other documents. He's going to join us with his expert opinions when we come back.

[00:02:17]>> [applause and music] [applause] >> 4-year-old Kira and 19-month-old Darby may be gone, but the mystery surrounding how they died in separate deaths just 3 months apart while in the care of their mother, Julia, has torn this family apart, as you can well imagine. Uh there's been there have been questions.

[00:02:39]And then when we talk about the autopsy that you say was not done, they noted some things that were significant. That in terms of injuries to the children.

[00:02:52]Darby's autopsy conclusion, the 6 27 of 2010, he's the pathologist stated, "It's my opinion that Darby Hodges died as a result of an undetermined cause and manner of death. The toddler has two left-side rib fractures with histological changes inconsistent with them being from birth."

[00:03:10]Okay, so that was one thing that they observed, okay?

[00:03:16]And then there was a CPS report, 6 27 2010, "Likely that broken ribs and some bruising could have been caused by CPR.

[00:03:25]Uh the additional bruising could have simply looked more severe due to postmortem."

[00:03:30]Okay, so that's what CPS said when they took a look at it.

[00:03:35]Um Now, broken ribs and bruising, um that it's not going to be caused by vaccination or allergic reaction or whatever, right?

[00:03:47]>> No. That's there's been some trauma to the child. No.

[00:03:51]Darby was a wild little boy.

[00:03:54]That's You can't tell me that my child was abused. You could tell me he'd climb up on the couch [clears throat] and jump off 10 times a day and do it over and over again.

[00:04:04]Mhm. He was He was just like Tommy. I never had any broken bones before. I was a wild child.

[00:04:11]We brought in Dr. Cyril Wecht, considered to be one of the world's best forensic pathologists. Now, he has personally performed more than 18,000 autopsies and served as a consultant for another 40,000.

[00:04:24]Dr. Wecht has reviewed or been involved in nearly every high-profile investigation, including President John Kennedy, Elvis Presley, O.J. Simpson, JonBenét Ramsey, just to name a few. Dr. Wecht has written many books, and his latest is Final Exams, True Crime Cases from Cyril Wecht. Uh it's available at planetandrule.com and on amazon.com. Now, Dr. Wecht thoroughly examined Darby and Kiera's autopsy reports, and he's joining us now via Polycom with his findings. Dr. Wecht, it's so good to talk to you again.

[00:04:53]Hi, Dr. Phil. Thank you for inviting me to discuss this matter with you. Well, let's start with Darby. You looked at everything. What did you come away with?

[00:05:00]What did you find?

[00:05:03]Darby had multiple abrasions, scratch marks, contusions, bruises on various parts of his face and other parts of the body.

[00:05:12]There were many, uh more than a dozen. And then, >> [clears throat] >> beneath the scalp, there were multiple hemorrhages. We call them subgaleal. The galea, g a l e a, is a tight fibrous membrane that overlies the top of the skull beneath the scalp.

[00:05:29]When you peel back the scalp in the performance of the autopsy, you find these hemorrhages, which are not visible externally. Mhm. There were multiple galeal hemorrhages, and they were on different parts of the head.

[00:05:41]Those hemorrhages occur only from some kind of impact. It can be the head striking against something, or it may be the head being struck by something. The brain was markedly swollen.

[00:05:55]There was severe congestion, back up of blood, and edema, collection of fluid in the lungs. So, this was a process and that had gone on for some minutes or so. Interestingly, there were some petechial hemorrhages found on the thymus and the surfaces of the lungs. We find these sometimes in cases of asphyxiation. You said there were broken ribs. Could this have occurred during CPR?

[00:06:21]No, Dr. Felt. There were fractures of ribs 7 and 8 on the left side. The pathologist did a good job and there's a microscopic examination. The microscopic examination reveals various histological changes. Number one, they don't occur acutely. They take hours and days. And number two, they're not from birth because they would have all been resolved. So, what you have is clear evidence of traumatic fractures of 7th and 8th ribs and they're definitely are not due to cardiopulmonary resuscitation and they are not due to birth trauma of 19 months earlier. And when you have a child with multiple bruises and abrasions externally and you have multiple subgaleal hemorrhages, these are from trauma. How the trauma occurred, I can't be sure. By the way, some are older and some are fresher. So, this is not just something that occurred on one singular occasion. Somebody, the caregiver responsible for this child over a period of time, has to answer.

[00:07:20]How is it that 19-month-old toddler sustained multiple injuries and bruises?

[00:07:25]There is an explanation that must be forthcoming here and it is not present so far in the discussions that I have heard. This is a case that is highly suspicious. Oh my god. I am shook. So, I feel like that tells us a lot. That's kind of a smoking, right? I didn't understand how there could be bruising and head trauma in the autopsy without some sort of like physical trauma done.

[00:07:49]And this man just explained that definitely physical trauma was done and not just in one occasion, but over time. At least with the 19-month-old, this was abuse happening over an extended period of time. These parents need to answer for this. And Julia says that Cody is not capable of harming the children, but if he's not doing it, somebody else is. So, it's one of the two. All right, let's move on to Kira. Cody's mother believes that no autopsy was ever done on this child at all because she prepared her in the funeral home.

[00:08:19]But let me hear what you think about Kira.

[00:08:23]I have the autopsy report right in front of me, Dr. Phil, which your staff [clears throat] sent to me. It is ludicrous, inane, and totally, totally illogical for someone to say there was no autopsy.

[00:08:36]I will be a gracious and kind and say I can understand that this lady did not appreciate the fact that there were incisions present beneath a full head of hair. And of course, that's what good embalmers do. So, that when you visit the funeral home and see the individual lying there, then you are not aware that a bitemporal incision had been made and the scalp had been reflected forward and posteriorly. So, there definitely was an autopsy. It was a good autopsy. It was a detailed autopsy. And there's no question about the cause of death with Kira. Kira died from a subdural hemorrhage. There was more than two two ounces of blood in the right parietal occipital portion overlying the brain.

[00:09:13]That comes from trauma, and trauma of a significant nature. It cannot be casual trauma. I read what was sent to me, and it was stated that she had fallen in the bathroom when the stepfather inadvertently picked up the towel. And according to the statement that he made, as given to me, the child fell on her buttocks, got up laughing, and went to her room. You do not get a subdural hemorrhage from falling on your buttocks. Now, this child also had multiple contusions and abrasions on her face on both sides, multiple subgaleal hemorrhages on both sides, also of varying ages. I will not repeat what I said about Darby, but obviously the comments apply to this case. You don't get those from a singular event. Each one represents a particular traumatic incident. So, you have a child dead as a result of blunt force trauma. That's what we call it, blunt force trauma to the head. Someone has to explain how did that head injury occur? It did it occur?

[00:10:09]It can [clears throat] occur from an impact of the head by an instrumentality of some kind or the head striking something else, but not a casual blow to produce that kind of subdural hemorrhage. This is a highly suspicious case and there's no way in the world a vaccine produces a subdural hemorrhage.

[00:10:27]It does not produce bruises on different parts of the body or any part of the body. You have two deaths here occurring 82 days apart from each other of infants which so far have not been fully explained. And by the way, I do want to say this in fairness to the pathologist who did the autopsy on Kira. He made the statement with which I agree and I will just read it, Phil. Referring to his findings, this was a significant degree of trauma that appears disproportionate to a fall as described in the narrative.

[00:10:53]Quickly, with regard to Kira, what do you make of the two lesions on the back of her left calf?

[00:10:58]They are described as circular, one whitish with rolled edges. They are strongly suggestive of thermal injuries.

[00:11:05]And a circular configuration like that is highly suggestive of something like the burning end of a cigarette. I can't say that that's what it was, but that would fit in perfectly to find a way in which you sustain thermal injuries to the back of your calf in some casual manner inadvertently defies my conjecture. Dr. Wecht, as usual, you have been thorough and very educative for us. We really appreciate it. Thank you so much.

[00:11:29]Um >> [applause] >> So, what's y'all's reaction to Dr. Wecht? I mean, I I I use Dr. Wecht cuz I think he is the absolute best of the best. Uh You know, it's it's it's what we've been saying all along, and I just wish that I was wrong.

[00:11:44]I wish he was wrong.

[00:11:47]>> He's wrong.

[00:11:47]>> You're wrong about the abuse. I'm telling you. I'm not making an accusation here. I'm trying I assume that you want to know what happened here. If you weren't involved in it in any way, then I would assume you definitely want to know what happened here. You have the world's leading pathologist telling you that your daughter died from a subdural hemorrhage. That that there was a hemorrhage to the brain that can only occur from a major blow to the head.

[00:12:12]That there are marks on both of the children that are inconsistent with any of the theories that you've been embracing with regard to SIDS or or vaccination or in ingesting vomitus. He said there's there's no question that there was a that there was a hemorrhage to the brain here.

[00:12:28]I I'm I'm curious as your reaction to this.

[00:12:32]You You think there was no autopsy done.

[00:12:35]Here's a man that's done consulted in over 40,000 of these. Says this was done, and here's it was not only done but done well, and he concurs with everything that's going on there.

[00:12:46]Do you want to know what happened?

[00:12:48]>> I want to know what happened. I just want to clarify one thing. There was a fall Kira had 4 or 5 days before she passed that was in the bathtub.

[00:12:58]Right. Okay. And and on carpet a second time.

[00:13:01]>> And then right. But I think those get confused.

[00:13:04]>> Okay. Well, he's still on satellite here. Dr. Wecht, could this child have gotten this hemorrhage from slipping in the bathtub?

[00:13:09]>> too.

[00:13:11]If the fall were from some distance with some force, but let me point out that the fall in the bathtub, correct me if I'm wrong, supposedly occurred about a week, at least 5 days before. At that time, the hemorrhage begins to become organized. There was no microscopic evidence of organization whatsoever.

[00:13:28]This was pure blood. There's no way that this subdural hemorrhage was 5 to 7 days old. No way.

[00:13:34]I just want to ask a >> [applause] >> I just want to ask a question to clarify Oh, no. Listen, I want your questions. I want your questions, but I I you know, this is that that's I'm glad he was still on satellite.

[00:13:46]So, what do you think about this? I'm just uh shocked.

[00:13:54]I'm I know how we were I'm speechless.

[00:14:03]Well, I'm a little speechless because I have to say as a parent, if I was getting information and new information and highly uh qualified pathologist uh such as Dr. Wecht here, that I would have an absolute hunger thirst for knowledge about what was going on here. Yeah.

[00:14:23]I I you heard from Dr. Harbison who is a highly qualified pediatrician that has told you to forget vaccination. That's not a that's not a player here. Uh you you've heard her say SIDS is not a player here. You've heard Dr. Wecht say this child died from blunt force trauma.

[00:14:40]Well, call me call me dumb or whatever you want to say, but I don't I don't believe my child had any sort of abuse. So, I know if it was something that is blunt force trauma, there's something that I I don't know.

[00:14:57]I'm about You do know she's gone.

[00:15:01]And you have someone that's going to examine her after the fact and said, "Here's why. We don't know how. We don't know who did it or if or what happened, but we do know what ended her life."

[00:15:15]Yeah.

[00:15:16]You found Darby in the crib unresponsive.

[00:15:20]And who found Kira? We all did. All three of us.

[00:15:28]I think you said somebody better go check on Kira.

[00:15:31]So, you probably found her first.

[00:15:32]>> So, you know >> No. No.

[00:15:34]>> I've read it. We were I talked to her.

[00:15:35]>> all there We were all there. I understand the antagonism between y'all, but I I have to tell you um I'm really surprised that you're you're more interested in bickering with them than you are processing this information.

[00:15:52]>> Because it's hard it's hard because we have put these walls up for 4 years.

[00:15:59]God had us in the palm of his hand.

[00:16:01]That's just faith. That's all that we've lived off of is faith. For 4 years praying knowing that the right person would come and the answers would be given to us.

[00:16:10]And that's it. That's all I can say is that Well, maybe these are answers that are being given to you right now.

[00:16:16]>> [applause] [applause] >> Do you understand? I I don't have a horse in the race here between this side or this side. I I You understand what I'm saying? I I have no vested interest um in in this. Uh but if a- and far be it for me to tell you I know how you feel cuz if you haven't lost a child, you can't know.

[00:16:40]Um but I speculate that if I had spent 4 years telling myself my child died from a reaction to vaccination and found out A, that's not even remotely possible and B, there's clear evidence of blunt force trauma um that would be of great interest to me. I I Would is that not of great interest to you?

[00:17:01]It is.

[00:17:03]Yeah.

[00:17:05]It is. It's just um it like it's shocking.

[00:17:09]It is beyond shocking. What did the police have to say about all of this?

[00:17:13]>> Y'all, I don't even know what to say about this woman.

[00:17:16]I I mean, she's hearing all of this information from the medical examiner, all of these things about blunt force trauma, and contusions, and hematomas, and definitive answers about what happened, which she said she wants. And all she could talk about is, "For 4 years, we believe this, and God had us in the palm of his hand." Girl, your husband had your children in his hands, and this is what happened. This is obviously a case of abuse and neglect.

[00:17:42]Because if she wasn't doing this to these kids, then Kody was. And it's no wonder that she allowed it to happen, cuz she's sitting here and allowing him to get away with it right now. I'm so angry. I am so angry. I I know the father has to be devastated. [music] >> After reviewing the autopsy reports on 19-month-old Darby and 4-year-old Kiera, forensic pathologist Dr. Sara Wex conclusion was that both deaths were highly suspicious, and the cases should be reinvestigated. Um we have a statement uh from the Montana Police Department in Kalispell. In regards to the Darby Hodges death investigation, this is an unsolved case that we are still looking into. As such, we are not at liberty to go into details, and are not prepared to make a statement at this time. Uh that's what they've had to say about that. Then from the Republic, Missouri Police Department, on September 17th, 2010, the Republic Police Department began an investigation in the death of 4-year-old Kiera.

[00:18:38]The case is still an active investigation, and will remain as such until all leads have been exhausted. Due to the fact this investigation is still open, I'm not at liberty to disclose any disclosing details involving the case.

[00:18:51]Um so these are not closed cases. Um and I'm You want to know what happened, right?

[00:18:59]>> Yeah. Yeah, we all do.

[00:19:01]>> Are you convinced that it wasn't a reaction to vaccination?

[00:19:04]No.

[00:19:05]Okay, say whatever you do whatever you want. This is not you guys. This is This is You weren't there.

[00:19:10]You don't know. You do understand that vaccinations could not explain the physical evidence on both of your children.

[00:19:19]I don't know what to say. All I want is answers. That's it.

[00:19:23]Well, that's an answer, right?

[00:19:25]I mean that that that's an answer.

[00:19:27]Um you you've gotten answers about That's an answer of of how she died.

[00:19:33]Yeah, and we know That's not vaccine.

[00:19:35]Vaccine doesn't cause that.

[00:19:38]You see my my point?

[00:19:40]Um >> I do. I just don't like getting laughed at and being embarrassed.

[00:19:45]>> not it's These guys are frustrated. The audience is frustrated. That's [applause] good.

[00:19:52]That's what they're They're not We are frustrated, too, because we've been accused of something that we didn't do for 4 years.

[00:19:59]>> Not saying that you did anything wrong.

[00:20:00]Not saying you did anything wrong. What I'm telling you is that you're having experts tell you what could and could not have been the cause of death here.

[00:20:08]You know, Dr. Wecht doesn't know you. He doesn't know you. He's opined in no way that you two are guilty of any wrongdoing, nor have I. They have. I have not. You've had an opportunity to answer that. What he's telling you is I don't know who did what, but I can tell you why this girl died.

[00:20:22]I know.

[00:20:24]And I'm saying I just don't know what to say to you. I don't know what to say.

[00:20:28]Dr. Wecht, can I ask you one more question, please? Yes, certainly.

[00:20:31]Certainly. How with the with the type of of hemorrhage that you were talking about with Kira, for example, how much time would typically go by before there would be a a a problem that would lead to her losing consciousness and dying?

[00:20:44]Was this something that would take a day or a week or a hour? How long?

[00:20:49]Now, this would evolve over a period of several minutes into an hour or two. She would have then died within a period of few to several hours.

[00:20:57]>> So, what Dr. Wecht is saying here is that this happened within a matter of hours before you were unable to arouse her. So, where was everyone 2 3 hours before? Is is what I'm wondering.

[00:21:12]Everybody was in bed. Okay.

[00:21:15]This doesn't add up, does Cuz he's saying Dr. Wecht is saying something happened in the few hours leading up.

[00:21:22]And we're saying it didn't.

[00:21:24]So, I don't We're telling you the truth.

[00:21:29]Have Have the police ever offered you an opportunity to take a polygraph?

[00:21:33]Yeah. They did at first, yeah. They offered you opportunity to take polygraph?

[00:21:37]And you both declined? Yeah, cuz it I wonder why.

[00:21:41]I understand they were you felt like they were hostile Yeah, they were very hostile from the very get-go, from the immediately.

[00:21:46]>> do you? No, not one bit. Because I I would offer to bring you a a world-class polygraph operator to allow you to put this [applause] to bed forevermore if you would like.

[00:22:00]I mean, would you like to take a polygraph? It scares the crap out of me, but I have nothing to hide. Would you like to take a polygraph? No. Nah.

[00:22:08]No, because You know what?

[00:22:11]I'll take one. Well, this is Jack Trimarco right here. Um, Jack Trimarco is a former FBI special agent and polygraph examiner. Jack, let me ask you quickly, the first thing police do is want to clear the parents, right? Get them out and do a polygraph with them straight up, true?

[00:22:29]The FBI policy, Dr. Phil, in any missing child case, we always request the parents, the last person to have been with the child, and the person who reports the disappearance to the police, to take a polygraph test to eliminate themselves from suspicion. Right. And what's the typical response if a if a parent is under suspicion or wants to eliminate suspicion, how often do the parents agree to take it or not take it?

[00:22:56]In my experience, I never had anyone say no.

[00:23:00]>> [applause] >> Never had anyone say no?

[00:23:06]No, when you when you explain to parents that uh this is an investigative team and we want them to be part of that team. It's valuable to have the parents involved. But before we involve them in our investigative secrets, if you will, uh we've got to be sure that they didn't cause the death of the child. And so we polygraph them to eliminate them from suspicion or for investigative focus. I am offering this to you and I I can't make you take it or not take it. I'm just offering you the opportunity.

[00:23:36]I just don't feel comfortable somebody put hooking me up to a tape. Look at me in the eyes and know that I'm telling you the truth. Truth and Julia. You decline as well.

[00:23:47]I want to take a moment to remember the two precious children that we've been talking about, Darby and Kira.

[00:23:53]Darby was just so energetic and loved to be played [music] with. He was just learning how to talk. He always called me hi dada. He definitely was >> [music] >> Darby had this old soul about him. He was like wise beyond belief. He was so bright-eyed. He looked just like [music] me. I want people to know that that the world is missing out on an amazing man that Darby would have grew up to be. I miss him so much.

[00:24:17]I miss that little voice.

[00:24:19]Kira, if you asked her, she wouldn't say her name was Kira. [music] She said Princess Kiki was her name.

[00:24:25]>> [snorts] >> And she was a princess.

[00:24:26]This world is just a lesser place without her.

[00:24:29]She was just so beautiful. She represented everything that's beautiful in this world.

[00:24:35]>> [music] >> After the taping, I met with Julia alone to get her thoughts on the information revealed during the show.

[00:24:45]You need to figure out what's going on here.

[00:24:47]Oh, I'm I'm mixed up right now, Dr. >> Somebody hit this child in the head. And I'm telling you that Tony and I did not hit this child in the head. I don't understand. broken >> on Darby were already healing. That doesn't make sense. I don't get it, Doctor. I need your help.

[00:25:02]I really do.

[00:25:05]Don't tell yourself things that aren't true. I've offered both of you an opportunity to take a polygraph. I got a world-class pediatrician that's expert in vaccinations involved. I got Sara Wek, the top pathologist, involved because I wanted you to have some answers.

[00:25:19]Um but now you're saying I I don't want any more answers. I want to go back and I can't No, I can't. How do I How do I go back? How do I go back after this? I thought it was going to be completely different.

[00:25:31]I I thought >> [snorts] >> I mean, how do How do I I can't even I can't Cody can't even go to work. Now, we can't we can't even No. [snorts] There's no going back, Dr. Phil. So, do you want to take the polygraph or do you not? I do.

[00:25:50]Will you take it? I will. Will you tell Cody you want him to take it? I'm going to I'm going to talk to him. Yes.

[00:25:57]Well, um I suspect Here's what I suspect is going to happen.

[00:26:02]You've said you'll take the polygraph that you will encourage him to take it.

[00:26:05]Um I suspect that they're going to do everything they can to talk you out of that.

[00:26:10]Um and we'll see. You'll either take it or you won't.

[00:26:13]And he'll either take it or he won't.

[00:26:14]Just as I predicted when I left Julia, her husband Cody convinced her that taking a polygraph was a bad idea.

[00:26:22]We didn't come on here to be on trial.

[00:26:23]We came in here to talk about harassment. I never even got to really finish a sentence. There was not an autopsy done on Kiera. Her body I don't know. It's not a real autopsy.

[00:26:31]It's copied and pasted and put together by who knows how many different autopsies.

[00:26:37]It's not a real autopsy. And how about bringing on a doctor that's not pro-vaccinations like she is? How about the doctor that told us >> for their accusations. We're not coming up with No, this is [laughter] what we've been told. There's two sides to every story and one side got told today.

[00:26:50]We were told that it was our turn. We were quiet for 3 and 1/2 years to tell our story. I didn't even get to finish a sentence out there. People laughing and clapping at us out there and we're talking about babies here. I mean, come on. What kind of business is this? This ain't Hollywood. This is a real story.

[00:27:05]Kiera's body needs to be exhumed in order to prove that she did not have an autopsy because you need to prove that the autopsy is false. It's baloney. It is not It is not real. If the body was exhumed and it proved that there was an autopsy, would you two be willing to take a lie [music] detector test? Yes. Yes. Absolutely.

[00:27:21]We want to prove our innocence, but we know it's not going to take hooking up and asking us about whether we're lying or not. That is not going to help anything. Proving that there was no autopsy done is going [clears throat] to open up the big case, the real story of why we're here and it's going to put to silence all the embarrassment.

[00:27:38]People always say, "There's two children here. What Don't you want to help them?"

[00:27:42]Yes. Yes, we did from the very beginning, but from the very beginning we have had people to coming up and telling us that we were wrong. And when you are told that you're wrong so much, you stop talking.

[00:27:54]Cody and Julia have nothing to hide, [music] then why decline a polygraph? I do believe that Julia and Cody are guilty. I want them to go to prison for the rest of their lives. I love Kiera. I love Darby. I'll never forget them.

[00:28:04]They're in my heart every day. This is part two of a two-part series. In episode one, we met Julia and Cody. They are both being accused of Julia's two young children, 19 months old and 4-month-old daughter. Biological father Tommy and his mother believe that they are guilty. They say that they are innocent. In this episode, we heard from a world-renowned medical examiner who said, "No, these children were definitely beaten and vaccines had nothing to do with it." You know, there was a doctor in in part one who also said vaccines have nothing to do with it and are highly unlikely, especially for both children, back-to-back 3 months behind each other. It makes no sense.

[00:28:40]Cody's mom still having the audacity to claim that an autopsy was not performed and these are fake autopsy results is mind-blowing to me. When it comes to Julia, I'm angry just thinking about like what type of mother does this? Cuz she's still choosing this man over her children. Clearly she chose him over her children when she allowed him to abuse them.

[00:29:01]And she's still choosing him now. And when Dr. Phil had her alone at the very end backstage, you know, it felt like without Cody there next to her, she was starting to >> [music] >> maybe listen a little bit more. She even agreed to do a polygraph test then, which she was adamant about not doing before. But Dr. Phil said he predicted that Cody would talk her out of it, and that's exactly what happened. And so we see them in the final parts of this episode sitting backstage, and Cody has his arms around her, and Cody's mom is on the other side of her, so they're surrounding her, and Cody's mom is still saying there was never an autopsy done.

[00:29:38]So she's there protecting her son.

[00:29:39]>> [music] >> She certainly cares about her children, protecting her her child more than Julia cared about protecting her children, apparently. Unfortunately, this is really just deeply disturbing, and I'm glad that the investigation was not [music] closed because I was confused about that. In part one, they made it seem like the investigation was closed, and that they were found to not be culpable, but it turns out it was ongoing. So they were dishonest about that or not forthcoming about that. My heart breaks for these children. Like watching watching the footage of them it really got to me. And I just can't imagine what the father is going through >> [music] >> hearing this information, and it it my heart breaks for him. But what do you guys think of this episode? What do you think about Julia and Cody? I think I have an idea of what you guys think. I think y'all are feeling the same way I'm feeling. These people need to be in jail because no matter who put their hands on these children, [music] uh one of them did it, and the other one allowed it. So both of them need to go.

[00:30:33]Get out of here. Cody's mom can sit down. I ain't trying to hear from that lady anymore. What do you guys think about Julia's [music] denial? Still saying it could have been vaccines. What do you think about Cody's mom and her theory that this was a fake autopsy with fake results? They want to exhume this child's body to what? Do an examination and say that those are also fake results? [music] I think this man Cody is a predator and I don't trust him. I don't trust any of them, but I want to hear what you guys think. Let me know, drop it in the comments.