Carbon Tax Carney Going After Scott Moe | Is Sask Safe?

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[00:00:00]where a company's thinking about looking at their expansions and someone comes in and says, "Oh, but if you invest in Canada, you got to pay this extra carbon tax, right?" And then the CEO is like, "Okay, we're not doing that then." And of course, that conversation is probably happening across the board on a lot of industries because if you're a company and you can either choose to invest in Regina, you choose to invest in Medicine Hat, choose to invest in Winnipeg, or you choose to invest in North Dakota, Montana, or Idaho, which don't have an industrial carbon tax. You're going to pick those states every time because it's cheaper and it helps you be more competitive.

[00:00:33]>> We're the Canadian Taxpayers Federation and we are always fighting for lower taxes, less waste, and accountable government. This is out of Ottawa, meaning where else are politicians wasting our money and taxing us to the brink of bankruptcy? Unfortunately, the answer is pretty much everywhere. Today is a special show. It's going to be on carbon taxes. Most of y'all will know what happened between Alberta Premier Daniel Smith and Prime Minister Mark Carney. Premier Daniel Smith thinks that Alberta is going to be getting a future pipeline someday and that the production cap is going to be lifted. So hopefully that's all true. But uh the one certainty is we're getting a hugely increased industrial carbon tax. And I'm talking big time. Uh Carney has said out loud with his face that the carbon tax here in Alberta is going to be six and a half times higher. That means that the cost of pretty much everything will cost more because of course if you increase the cost of diesel and gasoline and utilities and home heating and food, you increase the cost of pretty much everything. But that's Alberta. Who's next? Gage, what's happening in Saskatchewan?

[00:01:45]Well, nothing good at the moment. I mean, the message that taxpayers have for Premier Scott Mo is to keep Saskatchewan carbon tax-free. So, for people who didn't know, Saskatchewan is still currently the only province in the country that is completely carbon taxfree, right? And that's an awesome thing. It's been just over a year since Premier Scott Mo announced that. And here's a video of that announcement of the premier talking about how great it was that Saskatchewan got rid of the carbon tax.

[00:02:17]>> Saskatchewan is now a carbon tax-free province, the first carbon taxfree province in Canada. Now that the two major federal parties and their leaders have announced their plans for removing the carbon tax, Saskatchewan is taking the next step by reducing the industrial carbon tax rate charged in our province to zero. to give our consumers a break and to make our industries more competitive in this new tariff environment.

[00:02:42]>> So there you have it, right? People are saving money on their SAS power bills.

[00:02:45]It's making Saskatchewan industries more competitive because they don't have to pay that costly carbon tax. Now that all sounds great. That logic is flawless for taxpayers. But now the premier has just said after this deal with Alberta that he's looking for a workable place uh to charge an industrial carbon tax again and talking to the federal government.

[00:03:07]Well, first off, there's no such thing as a workable place on an industrial carbon tax. It costs Saskatchewan money, makes their life less affordable, and makes our businesses less competitive.

[00:03:20]Premier Mo needs to stand strong. Keep Saskatchewan carbon taxfree no matter what type of carrot Prime Minister Mark Carney dangles in front of him.

[00:03:31]>> Not trying to be a downer, but it reminds me of uh that meme that uh you kids all share on the interwebs uh in your younger generations. And it basically shows the grim reaper going down a hotel, what looks like a hotel hallway and opening each door. In this case, it just looks like unfortunately it's the industrial form of the carbon tax and he's looking at Saskatchewan.

[00:03:52]Um, before I jump to to the other guys here, Gage, what do we want Mo to do here? Because when we were pushing back here in Alberta, and we still are, okay, we're calling in Alberta Premier Daniel Smith to not do this because we think that this is wrong. We're going to have an increased cost for everybody on a promise of a future pipeline, which is so uncertain. And what we get back is, "What do you want us to do? Carney's prime minister. There's nothing we can do about that right now. Basically, we have to dance with the girl who br us.

[00:04:23]What are we wanting Scott Mo to do? Just refuse? Say no. Like, come get me?"

[00:04:28]>> Well, sometimes the best thing a politician can do, especially for taxpayers, is nothing. Uh, and in this case, I think what we want Premier Mo to do, is that nothing. Right. In Alberta's case, we saw the premier, we saw the government say, "Well, we have to do something because Carney's prime minister. He wants to charge this industrial carbon tax, but Saskatchewan has been industrial carbon tax-free for more than a year. The sky hasn't fell.

[00:04:51]It keeps happening. People in Saskatchewan are saving money on their bills. Industries are more competitive.

[00:04:58]So, all the premier has to do is stay on the straight and narrow. And he can stay on the straight and narrow super easily because it's exactly what Saskatchewan want him to do. Right? We commissioned some polling that shows that 69% of Saskatchewanians want to keep the province carbon taxfree. That's the type of support reserved for really only the riders in Saskatchewan. You know, for context, uh the Saskatchewan party, Mo's party only got 53% only got 53% of the vote in the last election. So, it's far and above even the people who support the party who want the government to keep Saskatchewan carbon taxfree. So, what Mo shouldn't be doing is caving to Ottawa. What he should be doing is standing up for Saskatchewan and keeping the province carbon taxfree.

[00:05:45]>> I just want to say um I know a lot of our viewers and our our listeners um they tune in to our show. They want to hear about waste. Uh they want to hear about stuff like the carbon taxes. But all of us on this call, we do in-person meetings, too. We do pub nights. We do pancake breakfasts. Um and we listen to our supporters. I know folks need hope.

[00:06:05]They need to hear from a politician who's just frankly doing the right thing and standing up for them no matter what.

[00:06:13]So, if I can just please implore Premier Mo, please stand up for people like they're so taxed out. They cannot afford this. Please don't do this. And I want to encourage everybody to to keep on these politicians and to keep up this hope that we have to keep fighting against things like carbon taxes.

[00:06:31]>> Well, Chris, it's about the legacy, too, right? go back uh when the carbon tax was first being talked about the consumer, the industrial, what have you.

[00:06:39]Everyone was like, "Oh, it's a great idea to lower emissions. It won't actually cost people money." Of course, we know that isn't true. But at the time, the only two groups of people who knew it wasn't true were the Canadian Taxpayers Federation and the government of Saskatchewan. The government of Saskatchewan has been a leader on fighting carbon taxes from the beginning because the government under former Premier Brad Wall and now Scott Mo has always known that it's an expensive thing that doesn't reduce emissions. All it does is make life unaffordable. Mo can't tarnish that legacy by caving on the carbon tax now, especially when he's always been at the forefront.

[00:07:16]>> Well said, Gage. Uh Carson, I want you to jump in here because you're there in British Columbia. um kind of the epicenter frankly of where this carbon tax saga first started way back in the day under former BC Liberal Premier Gordon Campbell and then it just metastasized across Canada over the last few years. Um where is British Columbia right now when it comes to carbon taxes?

[00:07:39]How many do you have? Any ballpark idea of what this is costing people? What's the status in British Columbia proincially right now for carbon taxes?

[00:07:49]Well, Chris, British Columbombians are being hammered not by one, but by two separate provincial carbon taxes right now. Now, let's break these two down because they're a little bit different in how they work and how they affect your price at the pump. Now, the first one is very deep in the provincial fuel regulations. It's a really complex system where government imposes costs by forcing companies to buy and sell these carbon credits. What does that mean for you at the pump? Well, about 18 cents added to the cost of a liter of gasoline because of this hidden carbon tax buried in the fuel regulations. So, think about that. Every time you're filling up the family minivan, every time you're filling up on your way to work, government is adding 18 cents per liter to the cost of your gasoline through this hidden carbon tax. But that's not all, Chris. When I was going through BC's budget and fiscal plan in the lockup, pouring through this document, I noticed something. The government is projecting $334 million worth of industrial carbon tax revenue this year. Now folks, we already know that an industrial carbon tax is a carbon tax on Canadians, right? When you increase taxes, carbon taxes on a fertilizer plant, well, you're making food more expensive and making it harder for farmers to grow it. If you slap an industrial carbon tax on a fuel refinery, well, guess what? Gasoline and diesel fuel become more expensive for you and your family at the pump. And when you divide out that $334 million price tag by the population of British Columbia, well, you're looking at a $240 bill from that industrial carbon tax for a family of four. So between these two different provincial carbon taxes, British Columbombian families are paying hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of dollars every single year.

[00:10:05]>> Gross. Absolutely gross. And I'll I don't know if we know the answer to this question cuz I everything sounds and feels like Saskatchewan is next, but do we have any indication yet, Carson, on the industrial carbon tax in British Columbia visa v Carney? Like is Carney going to impose the benchmark industrial carbon tax there the way they were initially doing with the consumer carbon tax and make it federal or is EBE and the BC gang there in government allowed to just do their own provincial thing?

[00:10:39]Like do we even know that yet?

[00:10:41]>> Yeah. So the BC government is doing its own provincial thing just like with the consumer carbon tax. Ottawa sets that minimum and then provinces can either let Ottawa tax it or have their own industrial carbon tax as long as it meets that minimum price set by Ottawa.

[00:11:00]Now, so far BC has been above the head minimum price. Um, which is one of the reasons why British Columbians continue to pay the highest gas prices of anywhere in Canada, right? Because government is adding all these taxes and fees and costs to the price of a liter of gasoline or diesel fuel, British Columbombians pay the highest gas prices in the entire country. Chris, I know it was a shocker for a lot of folks when they saw gasoline ticking over two bucks a liter with all the tensions going on in the Middle East. Well, in BC, that's been a normal occurrence for years because of government's sky high gas taxes.

[00:11:46]>> Well, Carson, I just want to jump in there for a second because you mentioned when it comes to industrial carbon taxes, there's two options. Either you let Ottawa tax or you tax yourself as the province. I would like to remind you there is a third option where you don't tax people at all uh as currently doing and should continue to do.

[00:12:03]>> Amen, Gage. And look, Saskatchewan is a great example here. It is showing that it can be done.

[00:12:11]>> Yeah.

[00:12:11]>> And I want to just touch on one other thing briefly. Chris, you were talking or Gage, you guys were talking about how at the beginning of the carbon tax spike, it was the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, the government of Saskatchewan in it together. Well, folks, we're forgetting the other people who were opposed to the carbon tax at the time. The BC New Democrats.

[00:12:35]>> Yes. slot in the time machine AND REMEMBER HOW THEY USED TO TALK ABOUT BC'S carbon tax. John Han, the late John Han, rest his soul, said that British Columbombians wouldn't be able to heat their homes WHEN THE WILD WEST COAST WINDS ARE howling because of carbon tax costs. THEY CALLED IT LIPSTICK ON A PIG, charging British Columbombians a carbon tax. SO THE SAME NEW Democrats who are now charging your family of four $240 in this hidden industrial carbon tax, they were the ones railing against it a decade ago when the BC Liberals started shoving it down our throats, started spreading this toxic tax across the country. So, the BC New Democrats need to crack open their history books, scroll through the legislative assembly records, and remember their principles when it comes to this punishing tax on home heating, on groceries, and on gas.

[00:13:39]>> Just if I can jump in there for our viewers and listeners who may not have known what Carson just said, Carson's correct. like he isn't just inhaling too much secondhand smoke off the streets of Vancouver. Okay? Like what he just said there is absolutely true. The British Columbia New Democratic Party, the NDP, the Orange Ones, they railed against the provincial carbon tax in British Columbia for realies. Like that was Carol James who was initially their leader who was at a BC municipality's AGM on stage with her face on camera called the carbon tax lipstick on a pig.

[00:14:20]In fact, there's more. When they were going up against the BC Liberals in a provincial election, the NDP's slogan was axe the tax.

[00:14:30]>> The tax.

[00:14:31]>> I kid you not, folks. I know the timeline can get weird here, but it's true. Just wait. There's more. And this is my call out to Abby Lewis in a second here. The late former leader of the federal NDP, Jack Leighton, was vehemently opposed to the carbon tax.

[00:14:50]Why? Because Mr. Leighton thought it was wrong to punish people for heating their homes, driving to work, and eating food.

[00:15:00]I remember cuz I was there and I was helping to interview the guy. So the NDP, the working people's party under the orange banner for many years was opposed fundamentally to the carbon tax.

[00:15:14]This is my call out to you, Abby Lewis.

[00:15:16]Invitation's welcome. You're welcome to join the show anytime, man. You need to go back to your roots and say no carbon taxes in Canada. It's definitely the working person's approach to things that you should be taking on there. So, just wanted to affirm Carson that he's not just making up BC stories. Okay, Noah.

[00:15:39]Um, we're all having, you know, so much fun because otherwise we have to laugh otherwise we'll cry here in the West.

[00:15:45]What's happening in Ontario when it comes to carbon taxes and I'm going to put you on the spot about the Ontario NDP in a second after I look them up.

[00:15:55]Well, uh, the situation here in Ontario is sort of like a midpoint between Saskatchewan and British Columbia, whereas we're not like Saskatchewan where they're they're in the ideal place. They have no carbon tax. Uh, their consumers are saving money uh because of that, but we're also not uh at where BC is at where they are charging an industrial carbon tax a lot higher than the benchmark that the federal government sets. Right now, the Ontario government, as uh Carson explained, is imposing an industrial carbon tax that is mandated by the federal government. Uh they switched over from just the federal program to the provincial program back in 2022. And since then, the industrial carbon tax has more than doubled on Ontario's industries. And that means that the price of electricity, uh the price of fuel, the price of steel and concrete that goes to building uh many of the uh build uh businesses and homes in this province are costing a lot more. And the industrial carbon tax is set to increase by another 55% by 2030, which means that Ontarians can expect to see even uh more of a pinch at the grocery store. more uh of a squeeze when they are going to try and buy a new home or even just trying to rent out an apartment like like I'm doing here in Ottawa. So, uh unfortunately, we still do have the carbon tax in Ontario. But, as Gage mentioned, there is uh the third option. You don't have to just uh follow the BC model. uh you can just go ahead and actually uh prevent the federal government from imposing that industrial carbon tax as uh the premier Scott Mo did over there in Saskatchewan. Uh and it takes, you know, some real uh political fortitude. I get it that Ford is trying to uh sort of be friendly with uh Prime Minister Mark Carney nowadays, but you can't be friendly with a prime minister that is going over uh to Alberta and telling Albertans that they're going to increase their carbon tax by uh by how much, Chris? By six times.

[00:18:06]>> Six and a half times.

[00:18:08]>> Six and a half times. Absolutely nuts.

[00:18:10]You know, imagine if something like that was brought over here in Ontario. That means that the plants that are making uh cars like the Honda plant in Allison, that means that those cars will cost a lot more to produce. And it might not even make sense continuing uh to produce cars here in Ontario, either in Allison or elsewhere. That means uh that when you are going to heat your home, it's going to cost a lot more once that industrial carbon tax is hiked. And uh Premier Ford needs to make sure that he doesn't uh cut a deal that is going to increase our industrial carbon tax for the promise of maybe possibly potentially getting a project approved down the line.

[00:18:52]>> Chris, can I jump in there again real quick?

[00:18:54]>> Go ahead, Gage. Yeah, >> I think it it's really important because Noah jumped on it in the way. We're talking a lot and it's really important about the cost of the industrial carbon tax on the average person on the average family. But the hidden cost of the hidden car carbon tax, the most important one really for Canadians, especially as we see the type of economy in we're in right now is in jobs, right?

[00:19:16]Noah mentioned uh that Honda plant. But the biggest thing with the industrial carbon tax, even if let's say for some reason it is completely paid by the companies, that still hurts Canadians because it means less opportunities for them. And in Alberta is the greatest example there, Chris, right? We saw a CEO of one of the biggest oil companies in the province say that the carbon tax simply insense companies to invest outside of Canada. We saw other companies halt billion dollar projects because of the industrial carbon tax.

[00:19:48]And this is what we've seen in the news, right? We're not seeing what's going on in the boardrooms behind closed doors where a company's thinking about looking at their expansions and someone comes in and says, "Oh, but if you invest in Canada, you got to pay this extra carbon tax, right?" And then the CEO is like, "Okay, we're not doing that then." And of course that conversation is probably happening across the board on a lot of industries because if you're a company and you can either choose to invest in Regina, you choose to invest in Medicine Hat, choose to invest in Winnipeg, or you choose to invest in North Dakota, Montana, or Idaho, which don't have an industrial carbon tax, you're going to pick those states every time because it's cheaper and it helps you be more competitive.

[00:20:26]>> Or Texas. Um, to back up Gage's point, that was the head of Senovus, okay? huge oil and gas company here in Canada. And to his point, uh that was an $8 billion deal that uh the natural resources uh Canada, which is actually the name of the company, um had halted in the oil sense. So massive Canadian mining company, $8 billion frozen. I will point out that when they were signing and doing kissy face on the stage forou 2.0 I know uh just a few days ago again where we got in exchange the promise of a future pipeline lifting the production cap okay for oil and gas. We'll see how that actually works in exchange for a maybe future promise of a pipeline occurring. I got to be clear. There weren't oil and gas industry executives as far as I've been told standing behind them on stage. Uh, everybody that I've talked to both on and off the record have said that that nope, those were uh electric company execs because it was actually a double-headed announcement, but that's a whole another kettle of fish regards to the electricity grid.

[00:21:32]Apparently, there weren't oil and gas execs on stage super happy about this.

[00:21:37]So, again, it's all well and good to say, "Oh, we're we're going to grant our blessing and give permission to a pipeline to be built passive voice out to the West Coast." But uh you don't have a private company stepping forward with its own private money wanting to build it saying please take my money.

[00:21:54]What's going to happen? I'm super worried that they're going to spend taxpayers money on this thing all over again. So once again getting back to the carbon tax. This is this is a raw deal.

[00:22:05]Um I do want to point out that Quebec still has its own version that's really complicated. We should have invited Nicholas onto the interview, but Western Canada wanted to gang up on the Laurentian Noah Noah just today. So, go for it, Carson.

[00:22:19]>> Yeah. If I can jump in, just another aspect of thisou that I don't think has been getting enough airtime outside of BC.

[00:22:27]>> Well, look, there's a giant provincial shaped bump, road bump in the way of any future pipeline development. David Eie, he's no friend of the oil and gas industry. He's no friend of Alberta energy workers. So, I think this might end up costing Alberta taxpayers a whole lot of pocketbook pain without seeing that promised gain.

[00:22:54]>> That's a great point because it came out I think it was the same day. Wasn't it the same day? Yeah. Like the ink wasn't dry on the on the deal. um and already >> none too none too supportive of this idea. So I think there's still some time before before we see construction starting on that pipeline for Albertans and they may be paying carbon taxes a long time before that pipeline gets built.

[00:23:20]>> Go for it. Go for it, Gage.

[00:23:21]>> Well, not to be glib about it too and we look at that between Alberta and the federal government. Now, I might be a little bit biased based on my job and all the things that I believe, but uh I generally don't trust politician promises that much cuz, you know, I'm not even that old and I've been burned uh too many times. So, I think that betting people paying so much more in the carbon tax on a promise from a federal government politician, especially when Alberta knows every single time Ottawa gets a chance to screw Western Canada, they do it twice.

[00:23:54]Uh, I don't think there's any reason that the Alberta government should be taking the federal government at its full word on this because it's really never done that in the past.

[00:24:04]>> What you mean? Federal politicians don't have our best interests in mind HERE IN WESTERN CANADA. GAGE, give your head a shake.

[00:24:12]>> Sorry. Maybe I'm just a little bit negative. I don't know.

[00:24:15]>> No, Gage, you're right. Okay, Gage is correct. Okay, because obviously, especially since Trudeau took over, um, the West has been especially screwed and plenty of times before that. Um, in fact, I think it was former Prime Minister Steven Harper that even used the term screw the West. They're screwing the West. We're so sick and tired of everybody screwing the West.

[00:24:36]And by the way, the press gallery got all up in a nod about that way back in the day. To Gage's point, okay, like this is the book that Prime Minister Mark Carney wrote just before he became Prime Minister. This is a real book with writing. Oh, there lots of highlights in it because I read it like six times. Um, he wrote this just before becoming prime minister. He wrote this while he was UN's special envoy on climate blah blah blah, which he pointed out just after signing this secondou. And he said, "Oh, no, no. We're going to be doing a transition to a zero net zero um high carbon taxes, etc. It is all in his book." This book was endorsed by Bono and he quotes Greta Thunberg in it repeatedly. Gage, you wrote, you read this thing, too. It's not just industrial carbon taxes. It's not just all of these um carbon capture schemes.

[00:25:31]He also wants carbon tax tariffs.

[00:25:33]Remember, border adjustment mechanisms.

[00:25:36]So, folks, like this is just the beginning, isn't it, Gage?

[00:25:39]>> I know. And it's obviously worse. You can see my copy, I think, just back there in the corner on the bookshelf. I was trying to spot it as uh you were talking, but yeah, Carney loves carbon taxes. He wrote a whole book about different ways uh to try and implement them and get more money sucked out of places. And those carbon tax tariffs, it was a big thing kind of at the beginning of Prime Minister Carney's prime ministership. It seems they've quieted a little bit on that so far. But that's another thing that taxpayers uh need to be aware of because let's say they lose this industrial carbon tax fight. The carbon taxers are always going to look for a way to carbon tax you and a carbon tax tariff is probably the next step in their toolkit. So taxpayers need to be aware of them trying to implement that as well because that's going to be harder for the provinces to fight back obviously because that's a federal government thing as well.

[00:26:27]>> It's in it's in the budget uh in a couple of years. They've already factored it in as a revenue column in the budget. So it's still there. Um Noah, I wanted to pick on you again for a second. Um, I did look up um the current Ontario NDP leader.

[00:26:42]Unfortunately, um, she's got around 60,000 followers online. Um, but the last time I saw her mention anything regarding the word carbon was like 3 years ago. So, it would be nice to have some opposition parties actually making noise about the carbon tax in Ontario because trade unions, Carson wants to talk about this too, I can tell. trade unions during the last federal election out loud with their face in Hamilton.

[00:27:09]Okay, the pipe workers union came out and said Mark Carney's industrial carbon tax will decimate the steel industry.

[00:27:19]They used the word decimate because of exactly what Gage was talking about earlier. Okay, sure. Say that you want to have carbon taxes galore across Canada. They're just going to move those jobs to the states, which doesn't have a national carbon tax, no matter what party president is in charge. Correct.

[00:27:42]>> No, you're exactly right. I was actually uh in Hamilton for a day or two during uh the past federal election in my past life uh in my when I was a journalist.

[00:27:52]But uh at News. Yes.

[00:27:54]>> Yeah. And and when I was talking with uh people who live worked in the the Hamilton steel industry or just worked in uh other uh industries in Hamilton, they were very concerned about the fact that Canada was imposing industrial carbon tax and that this carbon tax will continue to increase on an annual basis as it is uh happening right now. And you know, a lot of Hamilton uh people in Hamilton, not just in Hamilton, but in a lot of the uh industrial areas in Ontario know that when you increase the cost of production, it's just going to shift production over to the United States, especially when the United States is trying to increase our cost of producing stuff and selling it to the United States in the first place. So, it's almost like, yeah, sure, maybe uh we're we're getting some trade pressures from the United States, but we're also shooting ourselves in the foot. It would be great if uh NDP leader Mara Styles really had a solid position on this and it would uh at least you know either one way or another whether you're procarbon tax or anti-carbon tax at least we voters will know where you stand uh so that if she's potentially elected as premier uh we will know whether or not she's going to fight for taxpayers against an industrial carbon tax or whether uh she's going to basically take the David Eevee route and uh you know capitulate to Ottawa's carbon tax demands and actually facilitate uh increasing the industrial carbon tax. Uh I think a lot of people are pining for an NDP that is look that looks to stand up for ordinary taxpayers, looks to stand up for working men and women who are just trying to uh put food on the table for their family. That is a NDP that I feel like a lot of people uh feel are is no longer no longer exists at least here in Eastern Canada. Maybe in Western Canada it's slightly different.

[00:29:43]But at the end of the day, if the NDP, you know, they want to sort of get themselves out of the rut and really stand on behalf of working people in this uh province, you really uh standing for people who are uh struggling with the rise in cost of living. They should uh be looking to uh campaign against this indust industrial carbon tax.

[00:30:02]really query Doug Ford as to why he hasn't uh you know taken the route uh that Scott Mo has taken and uh tried to block carbon taxes here in this province. Premier Doug Ford back in 2018 campaigned on being an anti-carbon tax politician and to his credit he scrapped the Liberals cap and trade carbon tax system that is similar to what Quebec currently has. But ever since uh Prime Minister Justin Trudeau imposed that industrial carbon tax on provinces uh we've seen very little action in trying to get that changed. And I think if the opposition opposition leaders like Meritt Styles or the new Liberal leader uh that will get uh elected in uh several months if th those politicians start uh coming out against this industrial carbon tax and questioning why Premier Doug Ford hasn't uh fought on behalf of Ontarians to do so. I I I think you'll see uh Premier Ford really uh start to move and start to question to himself, hey, why haven't I done that? And we we'll actually uh potentially get some real change here in Ontario.

[00:31:07]>> Carson, I'm going to give you the last word in a second, but uh if I recall correctly, Noah, um I remember a smiling Doug Ford standing next to a no carbon tax pledge by our former auto Ontario director, Christine Vanne, who is of course now with the Canadian Constitution Foundation. I'm going to see if I can pull up that picture, but he's smiling right next to it saying that he's against carbon taxes. Got him to sign that pledge. Um, really quick, Gage, just to check in, I don't know if you know the answer to this question or if they've said anything or not. I know proincially here in Alberta, uh, NDP leader Nah Neni isn't really saying much as far as carbon taxes go. He's just going after Smith about other topics mostly. Um, anything from the Saskatchewan NDP? Because every now and then they'll say something like we need lower taxes on fuel and stuff. Are are they saying anything yet about this industrial carbon tax?

[00:32:01]>> Yeah. To give credit where credit is due, the Saskatchewan NDP actually has a really good record on carbon taxes overall. They opposed uh the consumer carbon tax for a long time and they do oppose the industrial carbon tax as well because they want to stand up for oil and gas workers and everyone else uh that's affected by that tax. Of course, they quibble with the government as any opposition does in trying to get their lines on it, but overall uh they have the right stance. In fact, actually, when new NDP leader Avi Lewis came to the province a little while ago, uh NDP leader Carlo Beck kind of refused to meet with him because he was so opposed to new natural gas and oil development.

[00:32:40]She said that if you're not standing up for workers in this province, we're not going to have anything to do with you for the moment. I don't know where that's at right now, but initially that was her stance is that we're trying to stand up for these people. So, >> good on them. That's actually really refreshing. I'm so glad I asked you. And Abby Lewis, hey, I'm going to I'm going to get an orange phone. I'm going to have it here on my desk as a prop because phone me. You need to do the show. You need to make your case. And frankly, it sounds like you need to go spend some time in Moosejaw, Saskatchewan. You should go hang out in Moosejaw, Mr. Lewis, in order to get back in touch with the real people. All right, Carson. Um, I'm going to leave the last word to you because I was out in British Columbia hanging out with you for a bit and I watched one of the BC Conservative Party leadership debates. I don't remember the carbon tax coming up because property rights right now in British Columbia are so hot and that's pretty much all everybody's talking about. Where are the BC conservatives on provincial carbon taxes, federal carbon taxes, etc.?

[00:33:40]>> Yeah. Well, Chris, you didn't hear much about it in the debate because it would have been a really boring debate topic because they all agree, right? We have won this battle. Our tax fighting army has won this battle with the BC Conservatives. Everyone on that stage agrees that we need to axe the provincial carbon taxes to save British Columbians money. And of course, we do.

[00:34:06]Lower transport costs, lower grocery costs, lower costs of living. That's what happens when you axe carbon taxes here on the West Coast. We need that more than anywhere else.

[00:34:19]>> Awesome. Okay. Anybody else have any housekeeping they need to bring up as far as your provincial carbon taxes go before I land the plane? Well, just a quick reminder to Pemr Scott Mo, you've been doing a great job after you did a really important thing of scrapping the industrial carbon tax at doing nothing.

[00:34:36]Now is a time all taxpayers are asking you to do is continue to do nothing and keep Saskatchewan carbon tax free. Take the day off. Take another long weekend.

[00:34:46]Go to the cabin. But whatever you do, don't pick up the phone when the federal government calls and asks you to put an industrial carbon tax back on Saskatchewan. Take a break. That's all we need you to do. You're here. Same to Ford.

[00:35:00]>> Amen. Couldn't have said it better myself. Hey folks, um this matters and joining the tax fighter army matters.

[00:35:06]That is how we get, for example, the BC conservatives all singing from the same song sheet saying no carbon taxes ever, not a zip, zilch. So go on over to our website taxpayer.com, sign a petition that speaks to you, probably to ask carbon taxes, and then Bob's your uncle.

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