"Your Father Is Pakistani!" Piers Morgan vs Ben Habib On Immigration & Tommy Robinson

Added: 2026-05-23

[00:00:00]I've lived in London for 17 years now.

[00:00:02]This bizarre obsession with Americans have with London and saying it's overrun with Muslims is because America has a history of Jim Crow, segregation, the ghetto, something Britain hasn't Britain hasn't experienced and London hasn't experienced. After the war ended, they spread out council estates across the city. It's the only city in the world that does that. It's one of the most Yeah, we might have a little bit of segregation. One of the most desegregated cities in the world. It's something we should be proud of. And they can't stand it. They don't understand it. They can't explain it.

[00:00:30]They're like, "Why isn't it more like America?"

[00:00:32]>> It's not right, though.

[00:00:33]>> Multiculturalism coupled with mass migration.

[00:00:36]>> These are just buzzwords. We're talking about the empirical evidence. America's a segregated society. London is not as segregated anywhere near as we have got segregation right across the United Kingdom. We have got multicult aspire to make the position worse in the United Kingdom. What we have European settlers can finish about immigration.

[00:01:00]Can I just finish my point? What we've got in the United Kingdom is lots of different cultures imported into this country, not homegrown, not part of traditional British culture, having a protected blanket put around them, being celebrated and promoted with our British culture being set aside. And these people are operating often in cultural silos absolutely at odds even with each other. So for example when there was a cricket match peers I know you're a cricket fan when there was a cricket match between Pakistan and India rival groups of Hindus and Muslims in Leicester went to war against each other over a cricket match where England IS MAKING that a cultural thing among Hang on please Ben am I right in thinking that all your family then were all homegrown going back centuries.

[00:01:53]>> No, I'm not suggesting that from >> where were they from?

[00:01:56]>> No, the key thing >> Hang on. Hang on. Where were they from?

[00:01:58]>> My father's Pakistani. My mother is English.

[00:02:00]>> So none of YOUR FAMILY ARE HOME. WHY ARE ME AND BEN FIGHTING RIGHT NOW?

[00:02:05]I feel like I WANT TO FIGHT BEN RIGHT NOW.

[00:02:08]>> HOW EXTRAORDINARY THAT SOMEONE WHOSE FATHER is a Pakistani is preaching to us about the need for everyone to be homegrown.

[00:02:14]>> I'm not talking about America.

[00:02:20]Don't all talk at once. You you you've accused me of saying people have to be homegrown. That is completely wrong.

[00:02:25]>> You literally just said it.

[00:02:26]>> No, what I said was we need cultural assimilation. We need a >> homegrown was your phrase, not mine.

[00:02:31]>> No, I didn't say homegrown.

[00:02:33]>> YOU DID SAY HOMEGROWN I never said homegrown.

[00:02:36]>> Well, I tell you what, we're going to play it back to you. Okay, let's get the context. Give me the clip and when it's ready, we'll play it back. You said homegrown. What we have set aside what we have set aside in the United Kingdom is a homogeneous settled British culture because we have practiced mass migration from cultures that are different to ours and we've protect promoted them including Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria, North Africa. Is your father still alive?

[00:03:04]>> My father is still alive.

[00:03:05]>> Okay. You're going to send him home.

[00:03:07]>> No, it's not a matter of deporting everyone who is not. What is he then? It is a matter of having cultural homogeneity. So we are settled as >> your father wouldn't be from cultural hermanity.

[00:03:20]>> Theiite the unite the kingdom.

[00:03:23]>> Why wouldn't you deport your father?

[00:03:24]>> Theiite because I'm not going to deport people who are perfectly law- abiding.

[00:03:28]I'm not going to deport anyone.

[00:03:29]>> So as long as it's members of Ben Habib's family, they don't get deported.

[00:03:33]This is so >> but if it's anybody else from Pakistan, they all get sent home.

[00:03:38]What we need in this country is a reversal of mass migration and we need British culture including our Christian constitutional and cultural roots to be put first and foremost at the and at the heart of our cultural settlement. This is where this country my father is not he's not really religious. He's drunk all his life as a Muslim. He's a Muslim.

[00:04:00]>> As a Muslim >> your father's a Pakistani Muslim but you want people TO BE HOMEGROWN CHRISTIANS.

[00:04:05]SAY HOMEGROWN. I didn't say homegrown culture.

[00:04:09]>> You did say homegrown by the way. You guys not just to be clear to viewers watching. TO BE CLEAR, HANG ON. Hang on.

[00:04:16]Hang on. No, no. Just to be clear. I technically we can't play it back while we're filming the show. However, we will be posting the clip afterwards. I'll give you one last chance, Benabe, to admit that you use the phrase homegrown.

[00:04:29]If I used if I used it, >> yeah, >> I did not use it in the sense that you have to be born and of ancestral British lines. What I if I used it, I used it in a cultural context to emphasize the point that we need a settlement in this country. Can I just say one last thing?

[00:04:48]>> The government of this country defines cultural nationalism as being far right.

[00:04:52]You can go to the government website. It defines cultural nationalism as being farright. In order to have a society, in order to have a nation, you need a common culture. And in order to believe in, if we believe in our common culture, a British culture, we are now defined as far right.

[00:05:08]>> You're the son of a Pakistani Muslim.

[00:05:10]For God's sake, >> if you I if you >> What are you talking about, man?

[00:05:14]>> I My mother is white, English. Uh her father, >> she's okay.

[00:05:19]>> No, but your dad is and I'm okay. And anyone who >> What does your dad say about this clap trap? He He's absolutely with me as are many.

[00:05:27]>> He thinks all Pakistani Muslims should be sent home, does he?

[00:05:29]>> I never said that, Pier. You're talking nonsense.

[00:05:32]>> He said we should have homegrown people in this country.

[00:05:34]>> No, you're I'm afraid you've hijacked the whole You wish TO RACIALIZE IT, NOT >> OH MY GOD, MAN. You're the one that used the phrase homegrown.

[00:05:44]>> I am talking about cultural homogeneity, assimilation of foreign cultures into this country if they wish to come here.

[00:05:52]Otherwise, if you don't buy into what what it means to be British, you don't like what it means to be British, you don't like Christianity, leave the country. It's fine.

[00:06:00]>> But this is what has been said for for, you know, going on a century now. This is what they said to the Italians who first came here in the 20s. This is what they then said to the Windrush generation who came here in the 60s and built the entire underground network in London. Might I just add, >> what are you talking about?

[00:06:16]>> They did not build Britain. They were temporary laborers. They did not build Britain. That's an old trope that's got to go. Look, you built the underground.

[00:06:25]They did build it >> blend bin beautifully with Britain.

[00:06:27]Hindus assimilate beautifully. Every other culture assimilates beautifully.

[00:06:31]But modern >> You just said that the Hindus got over and is a perfect example of that. You elites don't go to these countries. And May 16th, >> what do you mean by elite by the way anti- peers?

[00:06:43]>> Who's elite here?

[00:06:44]>> I mean you. If you don't think that Britain has a Muslim problem today, you're an elite and you don't travel and you don't know working-class people and you've never been.

[00:06:53]>> You have no idea who I hang out with.

[00:06:57]>> Go there. Use your eyeballs.

[00:06:58]>> You haven't got a clue what I do or who I see, have you?

[00:07:04]>> If you don't think that, you're you haven't been.

[00:07:08]>> You have not been to Luton. If you think it exists today, it is a fifth post. It is a Muslim city. It is over. It's gone.

[00:07:16]It's been written off.

[00:07:18]>> It's a Muslim outpost.

[00:07:20]>> A Muslim outpost. Wow.

[00:07:22]>> Who there?

[00:07:23]>> You can't arrest a Muslim there or they'll take over the police.

[00:07:26]>> When were you last in jail? When were you last there?

[00:07:31]>> When were you last?

[00:07:32]>> 5 years ago.

[00:07:34]>> You said seven a minute ago. Which one is it? Every year.

[00:07:37]>> I was at the Unite the Right rally, too.

[00:07:39]I'm British, you morons.

[00:07:41]>> You're British?

[00:07:43]Yes. I my Why are you occupying America?

[00:07:46]>> What's your citizen? What's your citizenship?

[00:07:50]>> British, American, Canadian.

[00:07:52]>> You can't be three. You have to be dual national.

[00:07:54]>> That's That's also a myth. You >> You don't have three passports.

[00:07:57]>> What? Whoa. What did you call her?

[00:07:58]>> Yes, you can.

[00:07:59]>> What did you call her?

[00:08:00]>> Yes, you can.

[00:08:02]>> I called her a dumb >> Well, can you apologize, please?

[00:08:05]>> Sorry, that was a bad word. I lost my thing. I appreciate that.

[00:08:08]>> Yeah, it is. Actually, I just think Why would you do that?

[00:08:12]I got mad. I used a swear word.

[00:08:15]>> You just use a disgusting phrase to a woman.

[00:08:19]>> What? Have you not been in an argument before? You use swear words in an argument. We're going to dwell on this like you dwelled on homegrown and ignored what's really going on here, which is >> I tend to pick up on things. I think what people say, particularly when they get angry, can be very enlightening.

[00:08:33]Very enlightening.

[00:08:34]>> I've got to watch this back cuz I did not use it in any context. Well, I'll bet you your entire net worth. You use that phrase. I take the bet. Not in the bet. Not in a race racial sense. Not absolutely in a racial cultal sense. Oh, no. No. It was in a racial context. You >> I'm brown. I'm brown. Turks don't vote for Christian.

[00:08:56]>> I know. We found out what you are, which made it all the more baffling why you would use phrases like that. What I am.

[00:09:02]>> You calling a Pakistani a racist to Pakistanis?

[00:09:05]>> Yeah. And this is the point about the United Kingdom march. Everyone wants to class the United Kingdom march as racist. Actually, I haven't said that.

[00:09:11]>> You people do say it. They say I haven't said that.

[00:09:13]>> People do say you're racist.

[00:09:15]>> They say it's far right. It's racist.

[00:09:17]It's a bunch of white people who just want to deport everyone. It's rubbish. I spoke on at the 13th of September. There were lots of different ethnicities present. But they had one thing in common. They love this country. They love its history.

[00:09:30]>> Okay, we've now got the clip. Let's play it.

[00:09:32]>> Yeah.

[00:09:34]What we've got in the United Kingdom is lots of different cultures imported into this country. Not homegrown.

[00:09:41]The cultures are not homegrown. The cultures are not homegrown. That's the point. The cultures are not homegrown. I did not use it in a racist sense.

[00:09:50]>> You told me you assured me you didn't use it at all.

[00:09:53]>> But you've taken you've the the cultures were Go play the clip again. The cultures were not homegrown. Play calling a brown guy racist. That's what Let me go to Andrew. Let me go to Andrew Wilson.

[00:10:06]>> Andrew, >> he he he he is actually correct here, Pierce. He's t he said the cultures are not homegrown. So he's saying that these are foreign cultures which are coming in.

[00:10:16]>> That's that that's literally the context of that clip, >> right? But his own father is a Pakistani Muslim. So his culture is not homegrown.

[00:10:25]So my point is he's a flaming hypocrite >> and and he doesn't want his dad deported. Obviously not his dad. It's not his culture.

[00:10:32]>> He just wants other Pakistani leaders.

[00:10:34]I've never I've never advocated for mass deportations of people who belong in this country, who buy into this country, love this country, are prepared to die for this country. I've got no issue with people like that. The people I've got problems with who bring antithetical ideologies to this country and cause us that wish us harm, wish our wish our wives, our daughters harm, and wish to set us aside. I've got a real issue with that. And what cultures are they?

[00:11:02]>> They're cultures. They are muscular.

[00:11:04]>> Name one.

[00:11:05]>> Well, let let me tell you, it's far more nuanced that you might than you might like to think because you want to have a head-on absolute head headbutting exercise. If you take lots of people in for example as this >> from where >> can I if you take lots of people in from places like the depths of Punjab the depths of Sawat the depths of Kashmir and who haven't had a they haven't had a brush >> so from where your father came from you >> they haven't had a br my father is an educated man he got a PhD at king's college king's college uh in London >> so which part of Pakistan is he from >> he's he's from Punjab but he was educated >> so the depths of Punjab if you go to the depths of Punjab. You might is he from the Is he from the depths of Punjab?

[00:11:49]>> If you import barbarians who are not even barbarians from the depths of Punjab where your own father comes from >> determined to overspeak me and not let me finish my point. If you import barbarians >> from the depths of Punjab >> who are not even welcome in polite Pakistani society. If you welcome them into British society and you put a protective blanket around them like we have with progressive discrimination, you are going to damage this country.

[00:12:18]And that is what we >> But there is something there is something utterly ridiculous about you taking this strong principal stand against people coming from the depths of Punjab barbarian when your own father assimilate. His father assimilated. This is a how do you know his father assimilated about assimilation? You don't know his father.

[00:12:37]>> Modern Islam is not assimilating in Britain. It's in Congress. It's in the business. It's in the Quran. It says don't assimilate.

[00:12:45]>> Actually, I'll bring Hashog in here. My understanding is that the vast majority of the 5 million Muslims in our country do assimilate quite happily.