When facing judgment or criticism, Christians should not defend themselves or try to change others' minds, but instead should point to Jesus Christ and allow God to defend them, as self-defense often makes one appear worse and reflects a prideful heart rather than genuine humility.
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Today we'll be talking about how to deal with wrongful judgment as a Christian, how to change somebody's mind about you, and towards the end we'll be talking about why apologizing can actually be harmful. Welcome back to another episode on the Unlearned Wisdom podcast with yours truly, Pastor Johnny Chang, where each episode is a gospel- centered lesson that you could apply to your life today.
>> Today.
>> Like, comment, and subscribe. Download the audio episode. So, the reason why I actually came up with this episode topic is because we just came back from San Jose and we also just came back from uh Oakland, right? So, we we we went to the Bay Area again. Shout out to you guys for coming out, man. Genuinely appreciate all of the support. The lines were crazy. People were, you know, just supporting us. But if I want to keep it real, um there was some churches that we've been to who obviously you guys have seen online may not completely agree with our doctrine and or have seen just clips of how we like preach and then be like we think that's their do like they're preaching something dogmatic, right? Like they don't believe in what we believe in. But uh we went to a specific church in Oakland which was beautiful, you know, they had amazing people. um very charismatic by the way and a lot of people think that I'm against charismatic things like I'm a cessationist. I don't believe God dreams, you know, speaks in dreams and visions. But the truth is that's not true. I believe God does speak in dreams and visions 100%. But as long as that's not taking precedence over the blood of Jesus Christ and the gospel, I'm 100% okay with that. Right? And so it was cool to be able to go there and you know, and I'm not saying this church judged me at all. They were actually very respectful. They're very welcoming.
Um, but it made me just think about like, man, if these churches moved like like Shiloh, like you know, shout out Pastor Javier, shout out Pastor Marcus, shout out Pastor Michaela. I mean, if they move like them, they would be able to experience and see how the Holy Spirit is working through our congregation. So, I kind of wanted to address that, you know. Um, and so, you know, when we first got on the calls, I don't know if you guys remember, but the pastor was like reached out to us through the host form and in the end of it all was like, "Dude, you know, we we heard about you and Johnny, we are a charismatic church." That's the first line they said. We are a charismatic church. And um, you know, just throwing that out there. And I'm like, "Yeah, no worries. We believe in Jesus. We believe dreams and visions come from God as long as they don't become your God." And he was like, "Amen 100%."
>> Can you explain just for people that are completely out of the know what is charismatic?
>> So it's just like people who are very gifts oriented and very gifts heavy. So they focus on the Holy Spirit. They focus on Jesus, but they focus more on like you have to have certain like dreams, visions, tongues, prophecy.
That's like a big thing for them, right?
On top of like what what Jesus is is uh you know is preaching as well, right?
>> And where did that stem from? Um I think in the 1960s there was like a movement uh it was like a charismatic movement where a lot of people were shifting away from just original like legalistic doctrine and people were just having these radical um experiences and radically getting saved and they were just receiving the gifts and the feelings of the Holy Spirit. And so uh they kind of hone in on those gifts, right? And it does talk about gifts in 1 Corinthians 12, how to receive them. Um, but the true gift of God is everlasting life. So, you know, Romans 6:23 speaks about this. But again, um, have no issues with it at all. I think it's okay. But there are people who just idolize like they idolize anything. They idolize just the gifts and then it becomes like almost a distraction in a lot of ways um, away from the gospel.
So, yeah.
>> So, you had that conversation and you go, they go, "Hey, Johnny, we're a charismatic church." and you say what you said then what was the conversation right after that?
>> So, um yeah, we had that that conversation and pastor was really really loving actually. He's like, "Hey, like we're going to go and run this back with our pastor. We're going to be able to check and see if everything aligns."
They asked for, you know, what we believed in. Um and everything aligned and it was just a go. And shout out to them, too. It was last minute. It was either Shiloh or it was uh like some field in San Francisco with literally bleachers and probably like just two like street preaching like amplified speakers >> right in the tenderloin >> in the tender literally.
>> Right. And so it it just Yeah, it was it was wild.
>> No. Yeah. I like that the the pastor just kept it a buck right out of the gate and just asked right away. I was like, "Yeah, we're a charismatic church." Just to get it right clean slate right away.
um which was good. They were very kingdom partnership focused. They wanted to make it happen no matter what.
>> Yeah. And so we get there um and you know I see people speaking in tongues. They're they're also praying over the seats inviting the Holy Spirit in which again very charismatic and um yeah when the people came all I learned was like to just keep it gospel centered and not like try to disrespect people or talk about all those other things like we're one body. We're focused on one kingdom. We're literally just trying to preach the gospel and push it to to to, you know, push people to heaven basically. So, it was cool to be able to meet Pastor Javier, meet those pastors, and they're all like just let us do our thing, and it was a beautiful, beautiful event, you know. Um, we packed it out, and it and we we made it back on our flight in time, too, which was honestly one of my worries, too. But, yeah, it was really cool. They accommodated our time. They cut off the line for us. They were like there for us. We had like, you know, it was just it was just amazing.
Yeah. But what, like I said, what made me think about this was, man, I wish every single church gave us a chance to sit down and just experience cuz they're all about experiences. Experience what we could actually do with the community where we do outreach for them. We bring them to Oakland. Oakland is very dangerous. Like till this day, it's got a higher, you know, crime rate than LA and San Bernardino and everything else.
And so it's pretty wild. And yet we had people literally lining up outside with their shoes on, Nikes, you know, Jordans, whatever. And like broad day just like in a residential area where you could tell there's dilapitated buildings. There's whole like uh we went and we saw like a plaza that was just completely boarded up and like fenced and chainling fenced, you know, and they were just like who cares? Like they were there just to hear the gospel. And so it's difficult for people to do community outreach in communities like that because I mean I want to I want to hear about God but dang I don't want to see God like I might go there and die in the hood and like see God that day you know so it's just very difficult right but I think they were also very happy. I felt like the heart also flipped and I'm like, man, I wish a lot of people would take the charge like these churches, right? And go, let's put our differences aside. Let's have a conversation. Let's see what he actually believes in, right?
And they were watching me. I mean, obviously, they were they were trying to figure out what I would say. And all I preached about was Cain and Abel, and I kept the gospel centered, you know? And so, it made me kind of think of like, how do you deal with judgment as a Christian? Because I know I'm not the only one. I know that there's a lot of people who face persecution because a clip went up about them or not even a clip on a smaller scale. Somebody's sitting there and they're talking about you behind your back to somebody who you thought would like you and then they're now blocking opportunities or withholding blessings and like you know chances at partnerships and you know hanging out and fellowshipping because somebody else spun a narrative about that person and they have this preconceived notion about that person now. And so for me, I was able to see that, you know, people will have their opinions and I think everybody is entitled to their opinion, but also opinions only matter to the person who's given that opinion, right? Um, we have to kind of realize not to internalize those things. And for me, the first thing I I I always think about is anger and defending myself, right? When someone says something wrong about me that's completely off or they even take a clip and they literally spin it and like clip it up, it does get me a little frustrated because I'm like, "Dude, you guys don't even know what I'm talking about. You didn't even come and peep game. You didn't even come and holler at me. He's just trying to start stuff, you know?" And I'm going to keep it real.
Like sometimes I'm on that timing, too, where I'm like, "Man, these people are so disrespectful." Like, I do want to comment back. I do want to do something, but I know that that's exactly what they want, right? Right. And it kind of pulls me back to the old me, which I I, you know, pray a lot about and I'm thankful that God holds on to me for that. But the number one thing is that, you know, um I had to learn not to treat people's opinion like a courtroom. And like I have to realize like they don't get a verdict on you. Like in a courtroom, they're not the judge. So they don't say just because I said this about Johnny, that's what Johnny is. Like no, you're allowed to say whatever you want and then I'll allow God to defend me in that courtroom. Right? And that's exactly what we did like front face point blank point blank period at Shiloh. We sat there and I said, "You know what? It's going to be less about Gy Chang and it's going to be more about Jesus Christ." So I made myself lesser and I only spoke about Jesus and I allowed space for Jesus to fill the room versus like I'm going to prove to them how right I am.
I'm going to show them who I really am.
It's like no, you don't need to know who Johnny is. You need to know who Jesus is. And so we point to Jesus Christ. You know when you look at uh 1 Peter chapter 2 verse 23 whoever when he has revi when he was reviled reviled not again when he suffered he threatened not but committed himself to him that judges right righteously right so he com you're when you get judged you're supposed to commit yourself to God and let God judge for you and help you right but a lot of the times we try to defend right we revile people back and this is coming from Peter Peter leveled up he went from chopping ears off to going, you know what? I'm not going to allow my anger to deal with people cuz my anger is like crazy, right? Genuinely. So, reading Peter, especially first Peter, I could see, man, it's it's difficult, you know, but um yeah, he he kind of shows how to how to carry yourself as a as a Christian.
>> Let's say Shiloh, they were obviously great, but there's other churches that have fully rejected us, right?
>> How does that make you feel?
Not good. I mean, like I said, it's as a human being, you know, we're going to sit here and go, man, that it's sad. So, it makes me feel not good. It makes me feel sad cuz it's like, dude, you guys don't even know. We're here to give um like fellowship. We're here to bring souls to the kingdom. But the fact that they don't even give us that time and day, it does it does feel sad. It's like, yo, that's not your building, right? If you truly believe that, if you're truly gospel- centered, even if I was quote unquote misleading these people, why wouldn't you allow your building to then come in and then sway them back? Like, do you not care about the people? If what you guys are thinking that I'm misleading them, you don't care about them. Like, that's just what it is. I saw earlier to a Tik Tok.
It was a straightup Catholic priest.
He's straight up clowning Protestants.
He was like, "They don't have a church.
Their church is full of heretics. So, those guys are not even believers." When I think about that, I'm like, but why wouldn't you try to go and save them and help them? Like, why is it like, oh, shame on you. Like, you guys don't believe. See you later. You don't want to listen. Get out of here. It's like, that's not the heart of God. God is God has never been like, you don't want to listen. None of us listen. But he goes, hey, even though this person doesn't listen, like, I want to go and save them. I want to make them I want to help them. So, it's kind of sad, you know?
It's kind of sad to be able to see that.
And um more than it makes me angry, it makes me more sad. like not it doesn't feel good because it's like how can you claim that you have the Holy Spirit and you love God but then there's people who are literally like wanting to go to God and you're just like too bad you're stupid like too bad you deserve it if you're dumb you know it's like this type of energy you want to go astray go astray get the f out of here and that's why I think performance-based religion workspace religion is an issue here it's like well too bad you you deserve it you know I've seen that in so many in so many things right when my friend got shot, you know, like he got shot because he got robbed, right? Literally over a pack of of greens. It was in our mind.
He got blasted in the face. Got blasted in the face. Got blasted in the neck.
And when we were there, we we were there, right? So, we were the cops came.
It was the sheriff and they're like, "So, what gang are you from?" They're more like this guy's dying. And they're like, "What gang are you from, bro?"
Like, "What hood? Let me see your Oh, lift up your shirt. He's like, I can't talk. He's literally like through his face. Bullet through his face. Bullet through his neck. I can't I can't talk.
Like he But I know you guys are from watching. You're like, man, who cares about that, bro? Save the homie. So I'm like popping on, man. Save the homie.
He's like, shut the f up before I arrest you, too. I'm like, man, what the hell?
You fools don't even care, dog. You want this fool to die, right? You want it.
Like in that case, I feel that energy towards a lot of people too where they sit there and they're just like, I don't care about God. I'm gonna use my building and I'm gonna just do my thing and if you guys don't follow us, too bad. Go and burn. I that that is not a Christian energy, right? A true biblical Christian. That is a pherocical energy, right? And so, yeah, I that's genuinely how it makes me feel. It's like, yo, y'all can't like sometimes I'm gonna keep it real. I get tired of it. like, yo, why is it that there's only like certain people that genuinely care about God? It's like a 1%. And then there's a lot of people who admire God, who accessorize God, but at the same time, they're not really trying to, how do I say, love on God. And for those people, I genuinely feel fear and I also feel sad. Cuz if you keep that same energy and you meet God, you're going to hell.
It doesn't matter if your church is humongous or not, you're going straight to hell. It talks about this in Matthew 7. It talks about this everywhere, right? And yet, I just I think the sadness is not that they judge other people and want them to go to hell. The sadness is they can't even sense that they're doing that. Guys, I'm coming to Europe this weekend to throw free live events about the gospel. I'm coming to Stockholm, Sweden this Friday, June 5th.
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>> I was just about to say that. What if they truly think that you're a heretic?
Yeah. and and they're like, "Well, we're not even going to give them the time of day because we don't want a heretic in our building." Then, >> well, they again, they forget grace, right?
>> It's like, "Are you always so right about what you see?" Like, as human beings, we can er you know, but are you so right that your doctrine is so soundproof? Like, it's so good that you're sitting here and you're just like, "Nah, I know what I know." It's just all pride at the end of the day.
You know what? What? What's the issue with like you you you can't deny certain things like for example I'm sitting here I don't know about Joe Austin I don't know about these mega churches but I would I would never be like yo they they're a mega church I'm never going to sit down with them I would at least at the very least go what what is your what do you preach about and even if they don't agree with us like why would that be an issue if it's all semantics is it an issue salvifically right is it does it affect sal meaning does it affect salvation And if it does, like of course we have to talk about that. But what can I do to sway somebody anyways, right? The reason why people close off to other people is because they think that they can sway people. And when they can't, that's when they shut them off. My job is not to sway anybody. It's just to point to Christ. That's it. So I don't take it any type of way. Bro, if it was Mormons, Jehovah's Witness, and I say this like that, if they want to work, that's fine.
Why why wouldn't we be able to sit there and and and listen and have conversations and have dialogue. When you stop having conversations, relationships die. So God is all, you know, he he talks about being swift to listen, slow to speak, slow to anger.
These people speak and they get angry and they don't want to listen. So it's completely opposite of what God is even commanding. The one thing that confuses me the most about like workspace people and people who think that they're better than when you flip the works back on to them, they can't handle it. like they can dish it really well. They cannot take it. Right? So when you tell somebody like somebody asked at the live event in Oakland, is one saved always saved biblical? Right? Can I lose my salvation? And I'm like to the people who say that they can't flip it back on them and be like, hey, so you you you make sure you never stop sinning.
They'll immediately move the goalpost.
No, no, that's impossible. So then why are you saying and telling other people to stop sin? Well, I don't sin deliberately. Right? It's like, but you do though because if you say that you're not, if you say that you're not sinning however you want, that means you can control your sins. If you can control your sins and you have a say through the Holy Spirit to control your sins, why are you still sinning, right? And then hiding behind this idea of, well, I'm human. Like, okay, so other people can't be human, but you can be. That's the issue with people. And that's why God says, "Oh, ye hypocrites." There's only a few things Jesus calls people. He calls them dogs.
He calls them um uh her u hypocrites. He calls them vipers like snakes, right? He calls them dirty. He calls them wicked.
He calls them liars. Like there's a few things that he calls them. And it's because those are the things that people are, right? They lie. They sit there and go, "Yeah, I follow God." But they don't. They sit there and judge other people when they're doing the same thing other people are doing just behind closed doors or they present themselves cleaner than other people. Whitewash tombs as the Bible says. So it's just it's difficult, right? And I genuinely don't believe that there are people who don't sense their pride.
I don't think that there's anyone who sits there and goes, "I'm prideful and I don't know it." Every time I was prideful, I knew I was being prideful and I would double down, quadruple down, and I'll blame other people.
That's just the real I don't know about any of you guys, you can blame the situational awareness and emotional awareness, but I'm a gang member. Nobody taught me about EQ and all that other stuff. And I knew what I was doing was wrong. I knew because if the if if you don't know, then the Bible is a lie. The Bible says he writes the laws in our hearts, right, and in our minds. He writes them so that people can't be like, "Oh, I didn't know. I messed up."
Right? But what people don't know, and I think the only thing they don't know is that their unbelief is going to lead them to hell. I think they actually believe that they're what they're doing will lead them to heaven, which I I think that's the issue with people, right? So, yeah. You were saying earlier that you should let God defend you. What does that mean? And what if the person is in a situation where it's pretty apparent that the person like in your situation with your dad, he's an alcoholic beating you every day. How is God defending you in that situation versus like, you know, a a mean boss that you can go home at the end of the night and you're separated from them?
>> Yeah. Um I think what just in when I say let God defend you in the context of like what we're talking about here of people just judging you. Now obviously like someone comes up to you and punches you in the face. I can't be like oh God just defend me, right? But like God will defend you either way. Like let's say you do get punched in the face. Let's say you do get abused every single day, right? That in itself should not be internalized as your identity. like I got beat up by my dad all the time. Um, and I hated my dad. But at the same time, after what happened with that, because I couldn't defend myself at that. I'm a kid. But as I got older, I I could have retaliated, which I tried to many times, right? I I played it back in my mind multiple times. If I see my dad, what I'm going to do, I'll smoke him.
I'll do whatever it is like genuinely.
But when I received salvation and true biblical salvation, there was no more defending. It was like, okay, of course my dad beat me. Of course there's times where I don't know if you guys experienced this, but I'm the type of person where I'm a little bit different, but I think a lot of people who have anger issues will understand this.
You'll you'll you'll literally have one thought and that thought will make you murderous. Like nothing has happened.
The trauma has already passed, but it's a flashback and you'll sit there and you'll literally relive it and the anger will come as if it's it's never left you, right? So, I used to do that with my dad a lot. I used to be like, "Man, I'm going to like I'mma get this guy for real. I'm going to go right now to his house and I'm going just do him. Like, that's it." And so, we we understand that feeling, right? People who've ever felt like this, like people viewing, you know what I'm talking about, right?
Whether it's a spouse, somebody who cheated on you, somebody who took your kids away, whatever it is, something that brings you to that level that a lot of people don't understand. You guys understand that level. So, I'm speaking to you, right? Other people, you may think I'm psychopathic. That's on that.
But the truth is, if you ain't been there, you're not going to understand it. Number one. Number two, when you get to that level, there's a time where you want to defend yourself because you literally feel like fight or flight mode. It's instant. Soon as that thought comes in, you're instantly feeling like, "Dang, I want to do something to somebody because they did something to me." During that time, that's when salvation takes over. Oh, God. Okay, fine. Right? in the meantime, right?
These practical questions, they're great, but it's like you guys can't be thinking like that too, right? The viewers, like it can't just be like, "Yo, solve the problem right now because it's not going to happen." When has that ever happened? When I'm sitting there, my dad is stepping over me, punching me in the face. Of course, I wanted the problem to be solved, but at the same time, like, it's just happening in real time. How can you sit there and be like, "God, defend me. You It's not going to happen, guys." And if you have that mindset, I'm sorry to say. I'm going to just keep it real. You're basically going to accessorize God because you you didn't get yourself in that predicament, sure. But God didn't either, right? So, you have to also be clear about one thing. You have to go, you know what?
These things in in life, whether you like it or not, it's been happening in your life already. You can't control anything. Things are going to happen. I couldn't control to have an abusive alcoholic father who has compounded trauma right now, right? Like, I can't control if I'm going to be angry or not.
I'm frustrated now, but there's nothing that I can control about that. It just happens. So, if I'm sitting here and I'm trying to do it in real time, it's not something as simple as that. That's why you have to allow God to defend you. Hey Lord, this is who I am. This is just how I feel. This is how I react. And for real, you're just going to take care of it. And if everybody else leaves, that's on them. Do you guys understand what I'm saying? It has to be like, "Hey, Lord, that's just what it is." Because you are not supposed to sit there and try to stop it. If you notice guys, you try to stop those things, it's going to get worse. It gets way uglier. So, it's it's a good question for a lot of people, but you guys have to realize something here.
I can't really control anything in my life. I can't control people judging us.
I can't change a person's mind about me.
There's nothing that I can do. Right?
So, the next question usually is, well, then what do we do? Just let everybody do those things? Like I mean what can you truly do at the end of the day, right? With these churches, for example, I don't want them to look at me a certain way. Your spouses, people who judge you on the streets, you don't want them to do that to you. Your boss, you don't want them to be mean to you and take their anger out on you. You also don't want to be gossiping about other people. You want to be acknowledging and understand and take constructive criticism and all that stuff, but you can't. Right? That's the thing you have to realize that that's why God has to defend you because there's so much expectation of yourself of wanting to do something but you're not able to do it.
And because you can't do it at that at that's when you have to go, God, I need you to defend me. I need you to lift me up. I actually need you to not just defend me, but do everything for me.
Like that's literally what it is at the end of the day. And that's the answer to every single thing. And we're going to harp on that until it gets through to everybody because it's just not as simple as, you know, 1 2 3 ABC, right? I make things very simple a lot of the times. But a lot of times I also have to be real with you guys when it comes to chastisement things like that. There's nothing that I can do genuinely to like make you guys see it. You're going to have to go through it. And then these voices that come from our podcast is going to lean in and go, "Oh my gosh, that's what Johnny was talking about."
Because a heart has to be in a position to receive that as a container. I can't tell you guys how to do that. One thing that I'm going to keep it real is that I see that in everyday life is I'm going to sit here and I need you to explain everything to me like top down. That in itself, I'm just going to keep it real and some of you guys might get mad is wicked. There's nothing that we can explain. There's nothing that I can genuinely sit there and be like, "You guys are right. Okay, you have the right heart posture. You can accept You have to have the right heart posture. To ask me and go, how do I have the right heart posture? In itself is going to be selfish because you only want it to gain the unlocks. You only want it to sit there and go, you know what? I want a better life. And respectfully, you can't you can't have that. It's just what it is. It's God's timing. It's God's grace.
And if he's going to let you get over it today, you'll get over it, right? And I mean, I don't I don't really know how else to actually like be more real with you guys. This is what spiritual life is. I'm I'm going to just keep it real.
It's people messing up, trying to guide other people, getting frustrated, but then also getting back up. That's just what it is. And if you want to quit, quit, right? Do whatever it is that you got to do. But at the end of the day, God will defend you. Vengeance is God's.
God will lead you. He'll do whatever he has to do. It has nothing to do with you respectfully, right? You have to have faith in that, right? But that's the most difficult thing to do straight up.
So when people judge you, get mad, get frustrated. That's that's normal when people talk ill about you. Get mad. Get frustrated when people think they're you're stupid and whatever. Okay. And then get mad. Get frustrated. But understand one thing. God is going to defend you. How do how is he going to do it? I don't know. I don't know. Nobody told you that faith would come with this many unanswered questions. You pray, you read, you fast, you tithe, and yet you're still not growing. But there are things that you're still carrying that you haven't said out loud to anybody.
Not because the answer doesn't exist, but because you don't know who to ask.
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To join, download Coreheart daily or use the link in the description. I'll see you guys Tuesday. So, we just talked about how you have no control over your judgment. Like, you got to leave it up to God, right? I can't judge the way people think about me. Blah blah blah blah blah. So, is there a way to actually change someone's mind about you?
>> Number one, yes, there is a way obviously to change someone's mind about you. The first thing you got to do is don't defend yourself.
Like, I feel like the more you defend yourself, it makes you look worse. If somebody already has their mind made up about you and then you're trying to like win their approval or like sway their mind, then it looks like straight up performative, right? Like you're just like, "No, no, no. Okay, I'll show you why you have to like me." It's like, "Bro, you don't have to do that." Right.
So, I don't know. What do you guys think?
What do you think?
What? Oh, you're trying to pretend.
>> Passing it to you.
>> Oh, you're trying to pretend.
>> I mean, I guess I'm I'm the opposite, right? I'm terrible at this. Every time when somebody feels some type of way about me, I try to defend myself. M >> I guess it happens in and I it's more in like the business sense always. It's like >> if a vendor comes to you and they're hey you overcharged us or whatever it is or if uh uh you know a customer is like you know this product sucks and it's like well you didn't read the my first reaction is did you read the instructions? You probably didn't you didn't blah blah blah blah blah. So, like I'm just trained.
I'm just kidding. Hey, put your hands now. No questions. Um I'm just trained to defend.
>> Yeah. Well, okay. But what's the heart behind that? Right. Cuz you could sit there and just be like like you're freaking stupid. Like did you read the or is it like like how you normally did you read the destruct? Did you read the instruction?
>> It's a mixture. Depends on the person what mood I'm in that day. I'd say more times than not >> the first reaction is not like a nice defense.
>> Yeah. Well, okay. Why though?
>> Is it just cuz we we you have an intolerance for people who just suck.
>> No, it'll No, no, no, no. It'll maybe be like it'll maybe if it was like the setup was clear, then it'll be like you didn't even take the tiniest amount to then make this judgment towards this thing I poured my life into >> to then >> act that way. So, >> you're going to get you're going to get the >> the whooping.
>> Yeah. Yeah, >> which is it's but it's very hard. How I see it is you're just kind of like, "Yeah, I'm wrong." You roll over.
>> I mean, in some parts, yes. I think it just again depends on people's heart posture for some reason. Like, I'm a lot weaker than a lot of people. So, I tend to see where they mess up a lot >> versus like you and most people have this mindset where it's like I did everything in my power to do it all to make it easy for you to see and understand and yet you still didn't catch that, right? And and that's also okay to be like that. But for me, I I always I think Pastor Kim has a beautiful balance of that where like sometimes he straight up chastises me.
Like how could you not see that, right?
And then I I guess my heart is ready to take it at but then other times I'll be like he he'll be like I'll be blatantly messing up on something and then he'll be like, "Yeah, it's okay." Like I I do that, too. So it's so weird. It's hard, man. It's It's a hard thing to kind of grasp, I guess. But yeah, you can't really change somebody's mind about you.
What you can do is how you respond to that person and what they think about you. You can control that. So for me, again, when people are calling me heretic or they're like, "You suck. You this." Like, of course, I'm going to be like, "Bro, you don't even know me like that." But the second part and the second heart that comes is always like, "Well, if I acknowledge this, then yeah, I I I messed up." You know? So, a lot of times I crash out and I'll crash out super crazy. Everybody around me is always like, "Damn, bro. This guy's like like cuz it's it's just difficult." You know, the way my brother explains this, and I'm not trying to like oust him, but he's like, "Bro, Johnny, you're like a cancer, bro. Like, when you get mad, anybody can get it." And I'm just like, "Don't say that." He's like, "No, I'm a Scorpio."
God, >> why do you say that? That's witchcraft.
No, I'm just kidding. Just kidding. No, but yeah, he he's like, "You're like you're like you're like cancer in that you spread." And it's so true. I don't know. I'm a little different, but if I'm being vulnerable, I'm the type of person that when I get mad, if anyone's just in my vicinity, they they they get like chewed out, too.
They didn't even do anything. Like, they don't even do anything. And I'm just like, >> it's everybody.
>> No, that's not true.
>> Not on my level.
>> Well, not on your level for sure.
>> No, but like you don't even know my level.
>> Oh, yeah. True. Never really seen it before.
>> You don't even know my level. Aaron, what are you looking at?
>> But dude, of course it like spills over naturally. Like you get a fight with your girl, then you go to work and then first person like that talks to you, you're just already in a pissy mood, >> right? I think it has a lot to do with proximity. Like people who are close to you. Like for me in terms of who I get mad at and even who I let judge me, if it's someone I don't know, it's like nothing. They can't judge me and I can't even get mad at them. But then if it's someone like Jeremy, it's like I'll be so mad. I'll not let them judge me. I'll correct them. And then if it's someone taking it a step further like my sister or like my sibling will really go at it.
Um, and it's just like I'm like, >> and I think being on social media gives you really thick skin cuz everyone's in the DMs telling you to off yourself and X Y and Z. And you just have to have the mindset of like >> like your booze mean nothing to me. I've seen what makes you cheer. It's like the people online like that's a high heart, but it's just like you don't even understand what I'm doing. You don't know me. How can you judge me? But if it's someone like Jeremy who knows me intricately and he's judging me, >> you value his opinion.
>> No, you're I'll fight him tooth and nail. I'll die on every hill. And it's just like >> actually all this is moot because you get mad at all the people on the road.
>> Yeah, that's true, too.
>> You know, screw them. They're different.
>> That's funny.
>> But no. Yeah, like people people judging me like online or just random people.
It's like you don't know me. I mean, it's it's high-hearted, but it's like >> is that high-hearted >> to be like >> is it high-hearted to to not care about someone's judgment or what people say about you because they don't know you?
>> Well, it depends. But because if you're like I'm not going to care because I want them to see that I don't care about them, then yeah, it's like you're just doing something like like a tit for tat.
If it's genuinely like, no, I'm secure in what I feel, my faith, my emotions.
Yeah, you can say whatever you want.
Like I don't care.
>> Is it not how I felt like I feel like that stance for me is high-hearted only because it's like this is not how I actually feel, but the sentiment is like, well, you're just an idiot cuz you don't understand my art. Like you're just you're dumb. I'm better than you.
You just don't understand my feel that way. And that's why I'm kind of barted with it.
>> That's a little bit >> not genius. I'm not like, "Oh, I'm a genius." But I'm like, you're >> I click on your profile picture. It's like I know.
>> Yeah, bro.
>> You ain't got it like that. You got it.
>> Damn. Click on their profile picture.
>> And I look at them and I'm like I'm like, "Okay." Like, you can't really say that.
>> Give me signs that they don't got it like that. I'm just kidding. We're We're literally cancelled. Zero followers.
>> Yeah.
>> Double double chin. I was about to be like, uh, >> the 10 Jeremy had a 10 top 10 list >> of of why San Francisco is the worst city in the world, >> bro. You're crazy.
>> Yeah, it'll come out in the video, but it is San Francisco is easily one of the worst cities in the in the whole United States. I would say in the world.
>> Jeremy's from San Francisco, by the way.
>> No, I'm from a little bit south. I would never live in San Francisco. That's how >> Paulo Al.
>> Yeah, I'm from the area.
>> Yeah. No. Um, I think when it comes to just spiritual stuff, like I I obviously wanted to change people's minds early on, like before you guys kind of helped me and and did all that. I I I hit the scene. Mark Lea was literally like, "Dude, it's 99% positive comments." So then I hop on I do my live streams you guys know 1 2 a.m. in the morning till and people would just hop on and be like, I'm struggling with depression and I'm helping them. They're like, whoa.
And I'm just building the following people. The chat is moving like there's 3,000 people in it when there's only like 70 people. And so I think at that time I was like, "Oh, this is what is everybody tripping about social media about?" Mind you, I didn't have like thousands of followers. I'm like, "How come people just be getting butt hurt over nothing? What the hell?" Like, they're mad.
>> Everyone's so nice.
>> Yeah, everyone's so nice. Social media makes people off themselves. What the hell? And then we started hitting millies. And then that was when people were like, "Yeah, hair attack." And I was like, "What?" Like, I'm just telling people that they should focus more on Jesus and his blood and not more on this. And and they get super crazy. And I'm like, whoa. And what's crazy is I had this energy of like we even from the homies sometimes we love you but like and we want you to do good but just don't do better than me. Like it's this energy of like they cap you at a ceiling and it's like dang because it goes from dang bro you getting famous homie homie you famous to man what before you think you're all that or what oh you're a liar dog well you do that well you well you don't help how come you don't bring people around it becomes this and I'm just like what so and again it's just that one M next to your thing or like one point whatever you know people just start to switch man so I've had to learn like make yourself smaller, make Jesus bigger. That's just the number one thing, right? And and I've learned also that you got to just leave it up to God.
I ain't going to lie, a lot of the times when people turn their backs on me, it's no one, it doesn't matter how grounded you are spiritually, no one likes that.
And it's very painful. It's very painful to know people that you've known since 20 plus years, even 30 years, to then just watch that relationship go down the toilet, go down the drain because, you know, of something that they felt some type of way or some miscommunication. It really does suck. But I had to also leave that up to God. Be like, man, God, you know what? Like, and and at first, I didn't even know how to leave it up to God. It was in that in that same realm of that high-heartedness, too, where I'm like, "Oh, it's because they're dumb gang members. They're not going to understand this. Oh, they didn't even care about Christianity, man. When I was trying to put them on, they didn't even care. And now I'm all on and they're like mad that they're not on with me."
Like, had you had just read the Bible, you freaking idiots. You would have been up there with me. Like, you know, I I I'm the type of dude to take the hood with me for real. Like, always I've always been like that. I bailed out people. I've always been like that. And it's like, but we don't have the the same hearts. Like, they don't care till this day. A lot of them don't care about no Jesus and God. So, what you going to come to my events and what? You know, like holler at shorties who are like, I'm celibate. They're going to be like, "What? Celery? That's a vegetable." They won't even know what that is.
>> Yes. For real.
>> In Fortnite terms, they didn't rush the squad, but they wanted to pick up the loot.
>> What does that mean? Thanks, Aaron.
>> Hey, hey, hey. It all went silent.
They're just like, >> "Thanks. I got my one guy back."
>> Didn't rush with the squad. Oh, >> but they want to collect the loot. So, you completed the task and then they come and get the good guys.
>> One guy killed the whole team, but they all come pick up the loot from the dead guys.
>> That's crazy.
>> Don't want to rush the squad with me.
>> You're not picking up the loot.
>> Dang, that's that's a bar.
>> If anyone needed it explained in Fortnite terms, >> Yeah. Yeah. There's going to be a 12-year-old listening that's like, "Oh, unlocks.
>> Thanks, Aaron Chang.
>> Finally understand.
>> This podcast is so understandable."
>> So, with that being said, too, I also would apologize to my homies a lot. I realize I would, hey, I'm sorry. Hey, my bad. My bad. But, bro, even that, man, God showed me why apologizing can be so super harmful. Because >> apologizing can be harmful.
>> Yeah, dude. Because literally most apologizing comes from pressure, not actual accountability.
>> Explain.
>> Like I felt like I was pressured because dang, I'm the they're my homies and like they don't like me. So the the the apology was more for my gain than theirs.
>> Like dang, I want to get on their right side again. My bad.
>> But really, are you feeling sorry? No.
you're just like performatively being like, yo, you know, like h like I want to feel right. You know what I mean?
Like I just Yeah. And then what it was doing was it was creating it was affirming the version that they had in their head about me.
>> You know, it's like saying sorry to a narcissist.
>> Like the narcissist is like, I'm going to play you. And then when you say sorry and you really mean it, they're like, "Oh, this person I can manipulate."
>> Oh, >> right. It's like this backwards thinking where I just Yeah. I'm like, "Hey, my bad. My bad." And they're like, "Yeah, you should be. You should be." So, if you guys want to go deeper with the Bible unlocks and just having these biblical resources, guys, we created an app called Core of the Heart Daily.
Every single morning, I write a personal daily devotional. It helps you start your day with God and make God a habit in your life. We also have the King James version Bible where you can annotate, you can highlight. We also have a gospel bot where it's trained on my teachings for the past 10 years. All my secret notes, my sermons, all the lives and the Q&As's, everything is in there. So, it will answer your questions when you don't have that pastor at 2:00 a.m. in the night time and you're spiraling. And check it out, guys, if you want to download it. It's on the app store called Horror of the Heart Daily.
Link is in the description. Back to the episode. Well, the world famous story of you apologizing to your father at that point.
>> At at that point though, Pastor Kim made you do that, but he probably knew your dad was still a narcissist.
>> Yeah.
>> So, he was also doing it knowing, >> didn't he tell you like, well, he didn't tell you what the outcome would be, or he's like, "Hey, it's for you, Johnny."
>> Yeah.
>> It was more for you.
>> Yeah. But, >> but he did say, "By faith, regardless of what it is, I believe God will work through this." That's what verbatim.
>> Mhm. by faith. If you move by faith, the only thing that can come out is faithful things basically.
>> Okay. So, so a lot of you guys, let me address this real quick. A lot of you guys used to rock with me. I used to literally, Jeremy, do Bible classes with people one on-one. So, I would do the hybrid. You guys know TSA plus pre plus clear?
>> Yeah.
>> TSA pre-clear.
>> Wow. You would do that?
>> I would do one on-one Bible class with >> just a random person. rando. I'd give them my number.
>> Wow.
>> They'd call me at 2 a.m. Hello.
I'm just like, how did I mix? I mixed Vietnamese and Spanish.
What the hell? Anyways, okay. Shout out to my Vietnamese people and my Mexican homies. But they're literally like calling me. I'm helping them.
every question they got, whatever. And mind you, it was for free. I would do this for free. And I did this double digits, like 20some people for sure. And sadly, till this day, they're not even in the Bible class. Like, I did all that nurturing and pouring. And I realized something, dude. What I was doing was when people sit there and they have this mindset of you owe me. You're a minister. I'm not. You're in a better place. Literally, somebody said something. The guy was like, I'm from Africa and I'm from where Dimbe Matumbul is from. This is from Africa. No, he wasn't an African prince scammer. Okay, Jerome, >> I wasn't thinking that.
>> What were you thinking?
>> Just funny name.
>> No, no, no, >> no, no, no.
>> Who is that? You don't know who Kimbe Matumbbo is?
>> This guy.
>> He was in those commercials.
>> No, no, no.
>> My parents didn't let me watch. He's a really tall guy.
>> Sixers. Basketball player.
>> Yeah. Number 55.
>> I didn't want to say that. And then all of a sudden I was like, is he >> the Nuggets too? He was originally from the Nuggets and he he finished out his career, I think, in the Sixers with AI.
>> But anyways, >> yeah.
>> Um, he was from him and from from him.
He was his father. No, he he was from the same country of Africa, you know, part of Africa that he was from. And he goes, you know, I really love Dimbe Mumbo's mentality. I said, what is it?
He goes, he said that when you uh go up somewhere, send a letter a ladder down.
And he goes, Johnny, you do that. I'm like, what do you mean? So you raised up and you have a lot of people now and followers and you're like sending ladders down to us, right? But that person ended up turning on me completely. was like, "Dude, you you you know, your messages are not hitting like before." He's like, "Hella," whatever it was that that that was a fallout was essentially I didn't live up to his standard. And even him, I was like, "Hey, I apologize. I'm sorry." But then when I went to Pastor Kim to seek guidance, he hella scolded me. He's like, "That guy, that guy you said sorry to." I was like, "Am I not supposed to say sorry if somebody's No, Johnny. He's thinking what? like you're look at his heart, Johnny. You're supposed to help me.
>> Why? Cuz you're better, right? And then it made me think about when Tracy You know who Tracy Morgan is?
>> Of course.
>> Right. Ballpark Franks, right? That fu, right? He's like he sat there and he was he saw his friend who was homeless from back then. Did you see that clip recently, >> right? And then the the guy was like, >> "Yo, man, you got money. You supposed to help me." And he literally goes, >> "What do you mean I didn't I didn't make you like that?" or something like that, right? And then everyone's like, "Whoa."
And he just looked back. He's like, "What? I didn't make you like that. That ain't my fault. That ain't on me." And I was like, "Dang." Now, even that we feel like is abrasive. But low-key, it's true, though. Oh, I'm homeless and you're my homie. You're supposed to help me. Really? But if the shoe was on the other foot, would you help me? Probably not. I know when I was struggling, shoot, ain't nobody help me 100%. I had to I went to prison by myself and I parrolled by myself. And at the same time, it's like, how are you going to sit there and expect a handout? You know what I mean? It was crazy to me. So, it it when I saw that Pastor Kim checked me, that's when I aligned my heart and I said, "I'm not doing this anymore." And even then, I felt this feeling of like, "This isn't right, Johnny. You shouldn't be doing that. That's bad. You know, you're going to be like abandoning people." when I literally said no, he taught me this power of no, right?
Pastor Kim was like, "When you say no, people's real heart comes out." Because if you say yes to everything, they're how they're not going to go against you.
You're saying yes to everything. The power of no. And women understand this really well. If a woman is like dating someone and he's like, "Oh, I got crosses on my back." Philippians 4:13.
But then he's like, "Hey baby, I want to cuddle with you." And you're like, "No."
right there. If a man is from God, he's gonna be like, "I respect that." But if a man isn't from God, even though he got Philippians 4 and his profile is, you know, I love God and I love Jesus and and he starts tripping on you, then you already know what time it is, right? So at the same time when I said no to these people, I just told him, "Hey, Pastor Kim uh told me that, you know, I got to focus a little bit on other things. So I'm going to stop doing this mentorship to bro. The amount of people 99% except for one person who actually she ended up passing away, right? But she that's the only reason like when I went to go message her, she had already like passed away, right? She had cancer, all that.
So I was mentoring her and she she was great. Aside from her, every single person was like, "Man, f Pastor Kim."
That was the energy cuz I kept it real.
I said, "Pastor Kim said he needs me to do other stuff." Yeah, but we need help, too. Why would he Why does he get to dictate who gets help and who doesn't get help? And what he they started doing this. And that's when I was like, "Yo."
And it's the same thing like even now when we have people, you know, who were given free things, they're just like, "Well, it should be free." like this energy is like never, you know, wow, thank you. It's it's usually, right? I can't say never, but it's usually more often than not. You're supposed to do that, though. You Why? You're You know who I am. You're supposed to help me.
It's like, yo, but we're not though.
>> Mhm.
>> Right. I seen it in OC, too. People don't help us find a venue in OC. We couldn't get one in OC. We ended up going to Whittier.
>> You know how many people I counted double digits. No lie. came up to me, took a picture. We're sitting there. I took a picture with the whole church.
>> Yep.
>> And these girls are like, "By the way, this is an OC." And they're, as they're taking a photo, as they're asking me to sign their Bible, as they're asking me a question, and I'm just like, "Y'all don't even care, dude." Like, there's another time, too. We threw this event.
Jeremy's like, "When it comes to you guys, you guys know I pop off. So like these ladies literally were from this church and they were like you know we're sitting there I'm answering questions we're doing free event here after service and um the lady comes up and she goes how do you feel about having a person who literally has an alcohol company and is also helping you and looks at me like that and you see Jeremy literally hobbling around cuz he had messed up his uh what was it? Achilles.
He taped it. He's like, "Yo, I got to tape it." He's hobbling, running, moving mic stands, hopping up, hopping down.
And I'm like, "Oh, you mean that guy that's hobbling around right now?
Jeremy, they're talking about you. They said you own this alcohol company." And then he just like looked back like, "What?" And he just walked off. But I'm like, "You mean this guy?" And they're like, "Yeah, he owns I'm like, "You mean the one who's ran who planned our event, ran our event, did all these things?"
And I was like checking them in real time. I was like, "Man, like you guys could like basically go." And the lady was like, "No, it was just a question."
Like trying to flip it passive aggressive. It was just a question like, "Whoa, like if he quit, like what?
That's a beautiful thing. Hallelujah.
Like what? I'm just so what if he didn't quit?" But he's sitting here and he's offering those things. Like what are you talking about right now? You know, you're in our place at our free live event getting pictures and you're judging and ridiculing. Man, come on y'all. For real. That is like way too crazy. So imagine if I sat there, oh, I'm so sorry, sister. You're so anointed. Hallelujah. Amen. Yeah, Jeremy, come over here. You answer these people. Like they would sit there and just be like, they would like soak it all up. They would eat it up. But it's like that's not the right heart posture to have. So again, yes, apologize, apologizing to somebody who has a heart of a Pharisee is probably the most dangerous thing you can do for somebody is you will you you're boosting their ego. You're stroking their ego. You're stroking their pride. And that's not what we're supposed to do. Jesus didn't do that.
And neither did any of the apostles do that. So yeah, it's very, very, very dangerous.
>> This is why I never apologize to you.
>> Just keep that in mind. I learned something.
>> You don't want to stroke my pride.
>> Yes.
>> You be stroking other things.
>> Hey, pause with this.
>> Jesus.
>> And so, yeah, a lot of times too, like people also apologize out of fear. So, I'm not saying there's an opposite end where some people are just fearful and they want approval from people. That also is something you guys got to be cautious about. Oh, I'm just going to say sorry because I don't want conflict or confrontation.
>> You know, that's not humility. So, please don't. There's a difference between fear and humility.
>> Fear is like, "Dude, I I'm I look like a bad person now." All right.
>> Making sure he's listening carefully.
Listen carefully to this part.
apologizing just to keep quote unquote peace.
>> So fear says I need to apologize because then they'll think bad about me and they'll keep thinking bad about me which is still you at the center. Humility is hey I messed up and even if they think bad about me that's fine. I deserve that. But I at least have to let them know that I truly acknowledge and I'm accountable in my bad and how you feel completely valid. If you want to cut me off also valid. That's humility is to go, hey, I I I don't want you to walk away thinking that I don't care about you. I'm sorry. You know what I mean?
Versus like, I got to say sorry cuz now they're going to think I'm stupid and they don't like me and this and this and that. But the next question usually I get out of this is always, but then how do I stop that if that's just my default setting? Cuz some people will just get scared and just rip it, right? I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. Oh, right. And it's to be it's to not seek validation from people. is to realize, hey, no matter what, I don't want people to like love the version that I'm portraying. I would like for them, and this is to do yourselves a solid, like for them to love you for who you are. I crash out on my team. Of course, there's times where I don't want them to like look at me a certain way because I'm human and I'm the leader. But sometimes I also have to acknowledge like, hey, I crashed out and I messed up. And um if they think I'm stupid, then I'm stupid.
>> I don't, but Aaron does.
>> That again. It's >> like lobbing it on.
>> Yeah.
>> Trying to get him beat up.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Aaron, what do you think about that last point?
>> Apologizing for to keep peace.
>> That you shouldn't do that.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Do you resonate with that at all?
>> Does Aaron do that?
>> Yes.
>> A lot.
>> Apologize just to keep the peace. you apologize a lot.
>> I think it's more about um like not not apologizing to keep the peace, but uh realigning.
I don't know. Like I'll apologize when I'm wrong.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I noticed that. Aaron, you don't He doesn't really apologize for like when he doesn't feel like it. He'll even like lead with that too.
>> Sometimes he No, no. Sometimes he goes, "Hey, I'm >> if I did something wrong, I'm sorry."
Like he says that right. It's like you didn't do anything.
>> But that's to not offend people though.
>> Like that's a little bit different, I think.
>> Oh, got it. Just >> versus like, oh, I don't want them to look at me evil and bad. Like he's not trip. He just is like, yo, I don't want to make you I don't want to come off and make you feel bad as like, you know what I mean? I don't know. I'm I'm sure there's times where he might do it, but I don't I've never seen I actually never really seen you do that. That's the thing is like I don't really I mean obviously no one tries to and everyone does sometimes but I rarely lie. Like it's really hard for me and I feel really bad and you can read it on me right away.
>> That's a lie right now.
>> That's the lie. No, but it's like like back in the day when you'd be like, "Are you high right now?" I would never say no. Like I would just look at him like I don't know, man.
>> He always has that laugh and he goes >> Yeah. I'll just say something like, "Man, get off my back, man." and I would just say something, but I would never say no because there's like something inside of me I just like like I like would know I'm lying.
>> But like um if I'm apologizing for something and stuff like that like maybe the way I lie is by not is by withholding information. That's how I lie. So if it's like >> So you don't respond like that's your li like you're you're not lying. You just won't respond to >> like I know you're not straight >> but like Yeah. Like if I feel some type of way I maybe won't say something. Um, and like that's kind of a form of lying, but like um if I'm apologizing, it's usually because I'm sorry, >> basically.
>> I think you're like that too, Jerome.
>> Like what?
>> Like you won't you won't apologize if you don't >> if I'm not wrong.
>> Yeah. Which is good. Honestly, it is a good thing because look, sometimes just do like I said, it comes back to the point where like if you're just doing it because you you don't actually feel it.
>> People are not stupid either. I mean, I I I I can sense when someone is like not really sorry, but they're just saying it just cuz. You know what I mean? It's like formality or whatever. I genuinely want people to also just And if you don't stand 10 toes, >> but you also say a lot of times like, "Hey, just be wrong." That's not apologizing.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. But what explain that concept.
>> Okay. So being wrong it it depends obviously on heart posture but it means like acknowledging yourself in front of God in that situation. So I'll give you an example.
When my friends are like yo you don't care about us anymore.
That's wrong. I do care about them. I want them to go to heaven. Honestly I genuinely do care about the homies. I would have taken a hundred years for any of them. I would have died for them.
It's just the real It's just the real.
You don't live a life like that and build a bondage like that and then be like, you know, and just give up on people. It just doesn't happen. But when they were like, "Hey, you don't care about me." That was the thing that would tick me off. Like, >> man, what do you mean, man? I did this for you. I did that. I want to do that.
But right there, I had to acknowledge that in front of God though, I am I would like according to scripture, I am that type of person. Like I could probably switch up. I don't think I would ever switch up to be honest. I don't think I would ever snitch. But that's my heart. And someone else had that heart, too. His name was Peter.
Peter literally sat there. Think about it. Jesus Christ sat there and he said, "The the time has come where the shepherd is going to get struck and all of you guys are going to you're going to run away. you're going to scatter right there. We should We know that Jesus can never lie. We know that Jesus kept it real and he's never lied about anything up until that point, too. Never lied.
So, although Peter got buttth hurt cuz he I I wholeheartedly believe Peter was like, "I'll die for you." When he said that, I believe he he he believed that, but he also overlooked the fact that God himself can never lie. So he took his feelings above what God said about him.
And if if Peter was right, then Jesus would be wrong and the scripture would be wrong because the scripture says all men are liars. Let God be true. The heart is deceitful. You don't know what you're talking about. Basically, so he didn't see that though. He doubled down.
He sat there and was like, "Dude, they" and he even dissed everyone else. He's like, "They may be the ones that run away." freaking little doubting Thomas and all these, but you you Jesus know me. I'm not going to do that to you. I chopped the person's ear off. I took penitentiary chances. I feel like that even now, but there's this one thing of being wrong, of going, I don't think I'll ever snitch. But according to the Bible, hearts can change. And if hearts can change, my determination that can go so right can go left completely, too.
Like, you never know. And that's what it means to be wrong is to acknowledge that there's a possibility that you are right. It's not to say I'm wrong. Okay, I'm wrong. It's more of like, hey, according to God though in this predicament, none of us are right, >> right? It's kind of like this.
>> But you say it verbally at times, right?
Like even in like sometimes it's like joke situations between you and I, but you'll be like, >> "I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm wrong." You know what I'm saying? I can't think of like an actual situ situation.
>> So then why are you saying that? If if we're both quote unquote wrong in the eyes of God in a situation >> and let's say you say you come with that heart >> because that's but he doesn't >> then it's like >> okay now this guy thinks that I'm wrong but that's not what I meant.
>> That's a good very good point.
>> Wrong is I understand what you mean by wrong now. Wrong is like a heart posture of okay in the eyes of God like we're both wrong and let's solve this >> to whatever will fix the situation.
Yeah. But in a human to human interaction, it's, "Hey, I'm wrong." And he takes it as, "Yeah, you're wrong."
>> And then now it's like, "All right, well, >> wait. I have a question for you, Crow Magnum. Why do you care so much if someone thinks you're wrong?"
>> No, it's not about >> It's not about that. I'm saying about No, because he just said you shouldn't apologize to to the person with the with the wrong heart posture because >> the center line.
>> Yeah. And but then he's also saying it's like you want to be humble in most situations. So, but then it's like someone come what if what if you're saying what if only half the conversation is ready to align with God and the other half is going to be stubborn.
>> Yeah. And they walk all over. They're just going to know that they're just going to think that you're wrong. That's >> and they're going to walk over you or have a high heart where they're like, I just >> I get the walk >> dominated them.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
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>> Cuz it's happened to you in real life.
And how did you end it, Johnny? You're fake. You never cared about the hood.
You never cared about us. Yeah. I mean, truthfully speaking, like, yeah, I mean, you already have your mind made up. So, what can I say to like get you I wouldn't say I was wrong, but I would be like, you know, what you're saying in typically speaking and biblically speaking is not wrong. So, yeah, you guys leaned on me to be like the savior for you. You leaned on me to do those types of things and I let you down.
Clearly, I could see that I let you down. So, do you guys want to talk about that or do you just want to keep getting at me foul? Like you you have a choice to do whatever you want, >> but how you want to handle this, right?
It's similar to how you handle things, >> right? Where it's like that. And I'll be honest, that pisses people off cuz they'll be like, "Oh, well, what's up then? You think you're better than me or what? Fool you over here talking about that?" Like, "What the hell?" I dude, you know how I called you a white guy?
One of my friends called me a white guy.
Good. He was literally like, "What's up?
What happened?" You don't even say foo no more. You don't say dog no more. You don't say homie no more. You don't say blood no more. You sit there fool. You over here like, "Oh yeah." And he goes in there. And I'm like, "Damn, bro.
That's how Jeremy feels legit." I'm sitting here and I'm like I'm just articulating my words.
>> Like what the hell freaking what the hell is articulation, fool? Like what the heck is that? Like a artifact or something? Like they can't >> such a mean.
>> Oh, what's the disc? Like it's just a different tax bracket how we speak.
Okay.
>> No, but these guys are rich, too.
>> I know. They're richer than me.
>> Yeah, they're rich. But I'm saying like they just, you know, you sit there and you just kind of like you almost have to kind of let them process with you. Look, I'm going to be real guys. I do this a lot too. Sometimes people are just externally processing things. So, you can't take everything foul too.
Questioning especially is not something directly like connected to disrespect.
Sometimes people question cuz they genuinely are ignorant versus arrogant.
Some people don't know, right? So they'll question something and um they don't know that that's like could be disrespectful.
>> So you could be wrong, right? If my friends tell me, "Hey, you did this, you did this, you switched up." The the one thing isn't to go, "I'm so wrong. I'm sorry. Forgive me." No. The one thing is to go, "All right, I hear what you're saying. Could you express to me why, right?" But sometimes even that triggers people and you better be ready for it.
That's when you have to be wrong.
>> What if you go, "I'm sorry I made you feel that way." That's another version of it. A lot of people say, "I'm sorry I made you feel that way." But it that can also be like >> I would never say, "I'm sorry I made you feel that way >> because that's kind of like a backhanded like apology." I think what you should say is, "I didn't know that that made you feel that way. I'm sorry for not knowing that. Like I messed up because you still it's like you messed up, you know? Like you have to just take accountability. I think Aeron's really good at that where he'll be like, I'm not trying to disagree with you. Like I mean, I'm sorry if I say this and it feels like I'm disagreeing with you.
Like I'm not So it addresses the issue like foundationally versus like, sorry, you're a little girl.
>> He says that to me.
>> No, he doesn't.
>> Yeah, he straight up says that to me.
>> Never.
Wait, what was the first line that before before I said the sorry and you gave the what was the thing like what did I make you >> what did I say to make you feel that way?
>> I'm really you said like I'm sorry that you feel that way.
>> No, you said one before that before I brought >> No, I'm saying you said that.
>> But I'm saying the correct way is to go I apologize that I didn't even know like >> No, no, no. It was the line even before that.
The what made me bring that up is you said something like a lot of times I'll say >> oh being wrong like it pertain to being wrong. Um >> damn I'm cut >> I'm going to be able to listen back on the recording but it was good.
>> So everybody listen back cuz that was a line.
>> Yeah.
>> Or that was a bar.
>> What's that?
>> I was funny when somebody in the crowd they y bars.
>> Yeah. The dude was like bars. I was like wow. Some people are going sheesh nowadays too. I'm like, "Dang, I need to chill." Other people are like, "Understand." Understand?
>> Yeah.
>> Makes sense.
>> You stole some of my lingo.
>> What was you don't give me no credit.
>> That's true. Hey, for real. If you guys catch me maybe two years ago, I would never say, "Here's a thing." Now, I'm like, "Here's the thing. Here's a thing." Even in my writing, when I'm writing, I'm like, "Here's the thing that you don't." And I'm like, "Here's the thing." I never even talk like that.
And then I was like, Jeremy, >> it's your environment of how you speak >> 100%. Like I said, if you hang around the barber shop long enough, you're gonna get a haircut. If you hang around bananas, you're going to be a banana.
You guys know what a banana is? Yellow on the outside, white on the inside.
>> Hey, you. It's kind of interesting. It It feels like you say that as kind of a disc while we have two white brethren right here.
>> You are wider than both of them. There's no way I'm whiter than Aaron.
>> Dude, your family is the same. You guys are all from Palo Alto. When you when they come, if you just close your eyes, it's literally like Jeremy Smith. Like, it's not Jeremy Kim, it's Jeremy Smith, right?
>> That's messed up. Wait, I have a kind of a top. Can I go on a side tangent topic?
>> Yes, please.
>> Well, do you have anything? You haven't said a word, Aaron. Do you have a topic prepared for today? No.
>> Okay. I'm starving.
>> Okay. Are there a lot of people that go to church and hate their pastors?
>> Oh, facts. I'm one of them. Everybody in Corridor hate man.
>> No, no, no. I >> No, I'm serious.
>> That's true. Okay. No, that's what made me think of it. There's a lot of people that still are in the online community and hate you and talk trash on you. So funny. And it's funny like they don't gossip about you to people that do care about you and then are close to you and tell you. So, >> you know why? Cuz they know.
>> Okay. But my question is why? Yeah. So, so why why do people do that?
>> Because you're not exalting them.
>> No, no, no. I'm saying why would you go to a church? Why would I go to church if I hate the pastor?
>> Because they secretly love you.
Have you ever heard that? Your biggest haters are just your biggest admirers that didn't get attention.
>> A makes me understand you a little better.
>> No, that's what Aaron said. I stole that from Aaron. Oh, Aaron Chang. He doesn't even remember him.
>> He said that before.
>> His face is a dead giveaway.
>> Aaron's got to put down the pen.
>> So, are you saying I just admire Osama bin Laden?
>> Okay, never mind. Cut, cut, cut, cut, cut. No, I'm just kidding. No, I I swear you he said that.
>> Yeah, but explain that. So, he loves a little >> Let me explain to what Aaron believes so that Aaron believes it again.
>> Yeah, >> dude. It was basically I forget when but I thought I heard it basically yeah your biggest hater is usually your biggest admirer and some especially in this predicament like for someone to spend time in your life to just come in and just hate on you it's like they kind of want certain things like why are you like I'll give you an example of people who are like atheists why do you care so much about a god that we believe in that you don't believe in. Why do you have to go there? Is it just to prove that you're right? Sure. But at the same time, it's kind of to I feel like there's there's hurt or there's trauma in there where it's like I was a church kid cuz most most people are like PKs or they're they're people who've who've received church hurt. And I may be generalizing a little bit, but from my my experience, I've seen that. And it's like, why do you even care if someone comes I don't care about drones at all.
When someone's trying to tell me like, you know, Chinese drones are not that good and blah. I'm not like, "Dude, I wow, really? Well, I'm Chinese, you'll be like, "Cool. Awesome. Can we talk about something else?" Like, I don't care about drones, you know? Like, why would I get offended? You don't not say that about drones. You know how much it takes them to build one and how much surveillance they do in this world? And like, I don't care about that. But people do that as atheist. Yeah, your god is stupid, huh? He's a sky daddy, huh? He thinks he's all that. Like, but why would you care? Why are you so invested? If I hated somebody, I would want nothing to do with them. I would not care about anything that they're doing in their life. Why are you so like invested? So maybe like I don't know, food for thought, right? It's like why would you do that? So it's the same thing. I know why people hate in my community cuz they know we spit bars.
They know that we started off with, dang, this guy makes sense to then going, "Dang, this guy flipped my foundation. He makes too much sense and I don't like it anymore." And he called me out on that and now I feel like I'm not exalted. I feel like you don't care about me. You know how much I loved you.
You know how many hearts I sent on Instagram? You know how many like fire emojis and flame emojis I sent? And you're going to tell me, >> right? And it's like, you know how many Discord stages? And and cuz they always do that when I check them. It's always, bro, I love you, bro. I share every all of your content with my family. Like, why are you doing this to me? Yeah, that's the problem. You love me so much that you love me for me. You don't love me for Jesus. That's the problem. You see it as like Johnny. And then when Johnny don't live up to your standards and Johnny tells you something, you don't see it as Jesus and God and Holy Spirit correcting you. You see it as Johnny correcting you and then you feel some type of way. Johnny don't do that to me. It's like I love you so much.
It's like bro, you're literally sitting there idolizing me and I don't like that.
>> Right. I also think a lot of people might hate on you or just like emotions are just like super high in religion because everything is like life and death. Like if you say something, it's just like the difference between life and death for some people. That's why emotions get so high on the road, at least why I road rage is because when you're driving at 65 mph, the smallest thing mistake could kill you.
>> So if someone cuts you off, you're really quick to be like, "What the heck?
You almost killed me." Like you like it's all life and death. And I think with religion, >> a lot of people treat a lot of their their religious views as literally life and death. And when you say something that might imply death, >> they throw their hands up and they're over it instantly. You're so mean.
>> Me?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. But I'm not I'm not life and death when I drive the car.
>> I'm just like, "Don't hit my car."
>> Well, most >> It's a nice car.
>> That's all a very interesting thing.
It's like you don't realize. Your brain realizes you're in danger. But we're like >> talking. He's playing Pokémon Go. I remember he he was driving while filming and like tailgating somebody like filming the scenery, changing the song. I was just like, "Dude, this is no good."
>> But yeah, I just think a lot of people like take their religious views as life and death. Like, if I think things, I will get into heaven. If I do certain things, I will go to hell. And it's like when you say something that someone might perceive now, I'm going to go to hell. Of course, they're going to hate you or be mad at you or disagree with you.
I totally butchered Aaron's thing. Aaron was going the opposite of that. He used the Hitler analogy.
>> What?
>> He was like, so he's like, you know how I kind of have an issue. It was on one of the episodes like I have an issue with people saying haters are your like biggest admirers because what? So then do I admire Hitler?
>> I remember that. Okay, so never mind.
I'm I'm I'm dumb.
>> It was a just literally completely butchered it.
>> I stole that from this creator, Tana.
She had like Matt Reefe on her show >> and Matt Re's like you like you're getting a lot of hate lately. And Matt Re is like anyone who hates like your biggest haters are just jealous. Like I'm convinced anyone who hates me is just jealous. And she's like am I jealous of Osama bin Laden?
>> It's like oh crap maybe hate is not all jealousy.
>> No, but some hate is projection >> for sure. A lot of it is.
>> Yeah. I'm happy with themselves and like >> I get what he was saying. But >> especially when it's other pastors being like why is he famous? pastors. A lot of people, and I'm not trying to be mean, but I experienced this a lot. Pastors and people from that life always, for some reason, make it like a thing to tell me that not only did they live my life, but they lived probably a crazier life than me. And I don't understand that. Like, I I I've never led with like, "Oh, I see a gang member." Like, "Hey, homie, me too." Like like that's not I don't >> Me two times 10.
>> Yeah, me too. But like what yard were you on? Oh, I was on a four yard. You were on a two yard. Oh, no.
>> Like I don't I don't know. I I just sit there and and I don't even know how to respond to that.
>> I've heard it so many times sitting in a room.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> They always come and they always go, "Dude, like I live like you but way crazier." And I'm like, >> "Good job. Awesome." I don't know how to, you know, respond. Again, it's like we talked about it's just like they want to be on your level or they want they don't want they don't want to get little broad in their own church. They want you to speak to them like they understand your experience and they may not. But they're they're honestly taking your own advice by leading with their testimony.
And it's kind of like they're hoping that it's a way to open to get you to open up to them. Oh, maybe he'll understand me. Maybe I'll maybe he'll get that I understand him because I've been through it. When people just do it too harsh, they're like >> way harder than you. It's like, okay, that's such a heart closing line. It's like, >> yeah, true. Yeah, facts though. No, it makes sense. It it it is obviously, jokes aside, they do want to, you know, sit there and and relate to me, right?
But that also makes me sad cuz like you shouldn't relate to me because of my testimony. You should relate to me because we both have Jesus Christ. Like if you can lead with that, that's how I was able to relate to them. I don't know a lot of these pastors that host us and I and a lot of them didn't live that lifestyle. A lot of them did, but the ones who didn't like straight up were like PKs, but we're like, "Hey, man. One kingdom, one body." They're like, "Yeah, amen, bro." And it's just it's it's cool that to relate on that level versus like street level, you know, hood level.
People always be doing that, you know?
And I'm like, "Yo, I don't ever tell other people, "Hey, homie, I live that life, too." I mean, I don't need to.
They just look at me and be like, "This guy's either a chef, >> tattoo artist, or a freaking broke gang member, you know?" It's like, but yeah, I I just never felt I don't know. I felt I felt embarrassed a lot of times talking about my past.
>> I think people with real past trauma who've really done crazy things, I've noticed this on the yards, too. When I would walk on prisons, general population, the craziest people are the ones that they and they they never talk about their stories. Like, what you in for OG?
Like, oh, you know, just Yeah, I'm just in like they never talk about. I was in for a hot one. And it's always like the the the ones who bow. So, yeah, I was on a hot one, man. I shot boom boom boom boom boom boom number. And I'm just like, dude, >> sold your boy on blat TV.
>> Yeah. Bow pow.
So funny. But basically, you know, when I see that, it's so true because you're ashamed of it. One of my friends, our mutual friends recently told me like somebody didn't want to come to our church basically because I had pew pewed their friend basically allegedly. And I when I thought about that immediately I felt like oh man like it was just a weird like uh like I was like who who was it?
Like I wanted to know who it was, but like for me to even ask who it was also made me feel ashamed like dang like I didn't even know who like you know it's like it's like that many basically right so I felt like oh my gosh and I felt very very sad uh in my heart and I was like ah like so I don't understand when people who really went through it you you either got to be really psycho or you just like only care about the clout.
I I guess people are get a lot of clout nowadays for catching bodies and stuff, but I am from an era where you you either catch a body or you be a body, right? It's just how it is. 90s, early 2000s genuinely was crazy. But I've never seen people boast about it like this generation. It was always like hush hush like bro that dude did that? No way. That was more like I guess gangster to be like this guy this guy did no way he doesn't look like it. That that to me back then was kind of crazy. And I realized this because they would hide behind it. They don't want people to know that they did stuff like that. They don't their families would be shocked like you did this. No way. My son, it was like this. My mom was the same when she saw that, you know, I was I was from this gang. And she was like, "What? Like these guys are straight killers. They really do evil things. They terrorize the community." And he's part of it.
He's a kid. They don't let kids into gangs, right? And then they were like showing me out what colors I was wearing. They were showing all this stuff. And my mom was blown away like whoa. Cuz the homies would tell us don't let any of your family members don't let nobody know. Just your enemies need to know where you're from. No one else needs. Your teachers don't need to know where you're from. Nobody. So it was kind of crazy >> crazy.
>> I was going to say sometimes I can relate to those pastors deeply because like it's like sometimes you just want someone to know you're legit. And honestly, I don't care as much anymore.
And sometimes like you just let the work speak for itself. And especially with you, I mean, everyone knows who you are.
>> But it's like >> back in the day, let's say I was opening for a DJ >> and I just wanted them to know I'm not some just like loser frack opening for you. It's like I did La Palooa, I did like I want them to know I'm legit. You could speak to me like a peer.
>> And like I don't care so much anymore, but it's like if someone's in front of you talking about they did X, Y, and Z.
You want them to know like I did A, B, and C. Sometimes even bigger. And that's where these pastors are coming from where they're just like >> that's fair. They just want you to think they're legit. It's like they really just want your approval, which like I can relate to in a lot of ways.
>> Um, so I also feel bad. And like it's way different with gang stuff cuz it's like >> versus the stuff that I may have been proud of. Some people might not be proud of their past, but it's still just like I want this person to know I'm legit.
>> And um, >> true.
>> I'm still victim to that sometimes. So >> yeah, >> dude. I have a random >> That's fair.
>> I have a random silly topic.
>> Run it.
uh three different people when when I went to No, it was it was kind of I think it was at Oakland also San Jose multiple times. One person was like, "No, no, no. There's a couple different things that happened to me and each time happened three or four times in each of these categories. One was, "Dude, I just saw Aaron. What was your name? Uh let me get a picture with you. Uh what's your me?"
>> Yeah, they knew Aaron, but they didn't know me. That happened to me multiple times. How is that possible?
>> I'm the star of the show. Exactly.
>> No, I'm always grilling you and >> I know. Exactly. It was But it happened multiple times and I'm like, am I in some kind of I'm the star of the show.
Wait, do we need to rename the show Unlearn Wisdom with Johnny Chang and Jeremy?
Do I need to get my face on the cover?
Hey guys, by the way, hey, when he does the intro, he's gonna be like with Pastor John Ch and Jeremy.
David Jeremy the the white guy. The other white guy.
>> Feel better. I had a lot of people call me Jeremy. They'd be like, "Jeremy, Jeremy, Jeremy."
I would just be like, "Yeah, what's up?"
Cuz like I know what they mean.
>> Do we just sound the same? Okay. The other one The other one that I got was >> one guy was like, "Yo, you're not that fat."
>> And another funny.
>> Yeah. Yeah. No. And another one was like, "Dude, you're like you're not ugly." He was like, he's like, "You're not ugly. You're like pretty good-looking." And I was like, "What do you mean pretty? What? What is it?" Did you tell them that lying is is against is a sin >> when they said that?
>> Why would I Why would I tell them?
>> Remember when we talked about lying just to make people feel better?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Basically, everyone gave me backhanded com. One other person was like, "Yeah." They were like, "Whoa, you look a lot better in person." I was like, "Who said that, bro? Why didn't you just >> No, I swear it was all dudes.
>> They always say the nicest stuff to me.
They're like, "You're way taller." like they were just like, "Hey, you're not a just fat stumpy troll."
>> One girl's funny. She's like, she's like, "You sound Asian to me. You don't sound white." I was like, "What that mean?"
>> I was like, "I'm proud of my proper annunciation." Okay.
I just got like weird backhanded compliments all weekend.
>> That's so funny.
>> I'm just mad at you, Jeremy.
>> I get nothing but good compliments.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. I've had that compliment a lot where they're like, "Wow, you're actually bigger than like what we thought.
>> You look like uh Yeah, you give off 53 energy."
>> That's crazy.
>> Yeah, >> that that like there's people even we're eating I forgot where we're eating like Somi Somi or something. One of those ice cream spots and someone came and was like, "Yeah, I thought you were 53."
Like cuz Oh, cuz I would say it.
>> Yeah, you'd say it. But they were and I was troll obviously but they would be like how did you make it through prison if you were 53.
She's like I knew you weren't that small like and I was just like damn some people really do believe in what we be saying bro.
>> Yeah.
>> It's all jokes man day in prison.
>> 68 I have an eight pack.
>> Eight pack. Yeah.
>> But I'm not going to be prideful and show off my eight pack. though.
>> Yo, your sister showed us a photo of you when you were ripped.
>> Yeah. Yeah. When I was younger.
>> Did you see that?
>> You did have an eight.
>> I literally was like black though. I was >> dark as heck, bro.
>> Dark way darker than you.
>> Way darker than you.
>> I looked like n like people thought I was Native American. You did. Or they thought I was like Yeah. Or like like a like a jungle Filipino though.
>> Yeah.
>> You know what I'm saying?
>> Like a real Filipino.
>> No. No. Like the ones that are like out in the sun, no shirt, fisherman, Filipino.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> There's people like that in Thailand, too.
>> Yep. Yep. Yep.
>> Where they go like bullcow.
>> Yeah.
>> Bullow's like >> bow.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I was like, bullcow looks black. And I was looks blazian.
>> Bow.
>> Bull.
>> You mean Macau?
>> No. Bull cow.
>> Where is Bcow?
>> B UA. No. No. Bucow the fighter.
>> Oh, Bow. Oh, that dude. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
>> Yeah. He looks black. He looks blazian.
Yeah, he's tie.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> All right, guys. Well, >> good. Good. Good.
>> Good. Good.
>> I'm about to wet myself.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Can you speed pray?
>> I'm just kidding.
>> So, that wraps this episode, guys, on the Unlearn Wisdom podcast. So, let us pray, guys.
>> Hopefully you guys really enjoyed the streamathon.
>> Yeah. Seriously though, >> we Johnny's been putting his whole >> If you guys missed the streamathon, every episode is on YouTube, so you can catch >> and inside the app.
>> And on the app. Yeah, go catch up, guys.
>> Chat GTP.
>> That's Jeremy's impression for anyone who still uses chat GPT. He saw me using chat GPT in the airport.
>> Yeah, he's like chat GPP.
GTP.
>> It's not even chat GPT. It's Chad GTP.
>> How many fingers am I holding up? Cad GPT.
What were you were asking some hilarious questions, too? I was just like >> something very normal.
>> I was like, >> yo, that's crazy.
Could I could I have hamburger?
>> Can I ask about Hans virus?
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. This guy.
>> Yeah. Explain what I was asking it about.
>> Oh, man.
>> This guy fell for some online propaganda.
>> No, no, no. It was a very It wasn't a meme. It was a really nice >> This guy for some online >> propaganda. Even though it was a nice afraid that haunt virus would shrink the size of your of your >> No. Hey, look look look. I wasn't necessarily afraid. I'm just saying >> if you're afraid you go if honorus >> start spreading I'm not going on these trips no more until it goes away. I can't afford to lose whatever.
Oh. Oh. Okay. Okay. All you long meats that are shaming me.
All right. I'm just trying to keep what I got. Okay, dude.
>> He's like, I try to keep all 2 in.
>> I can't afford to lose my >> It's like minus three. I'm like, I GO NEGATIVE.
>> WHAT?
What kind of sick disease did they create? God, >> shrinking.
>> What? What weird animals did you have to eat to create a disease that shrinks 3 in?
>> That's not fair. Oh my gosh, I'm crying, bro.
>> That is literally like Bill Gates, you are literally sadistic for that one.
>> It was false. It was a meme that Jeremy fell for.
>> Oh my goodness.
>> Fake news.
>> Yeah. Jesus.
>> Fake news.
>> All right, y'all. So, like every episode, we finish with prayer. It's very important. So, let us bow our heads and let us pray. Father God, thank you so much. Truly, Lord, you're so powerful. Lord, you teach us truly how to overcome every single thought that we have, every single judgment that we have. And this episode is no different.
You teach us how to not only convince people to see Jesus in us and make us less than and make you greater than, but you also teach us how to deal with judgment, Father God, from especially unrighteous judgment from people who are self-righteous Christians. Lord, I ask that you help anybody who's facing persecution. And a lot of the times we think persecution is trials and tribulations. It's something that's really deep and hurtful. But many times it's just little jabs. It's just little judgments. It's little uh criticisms from our family members. And that really hurts us, Lord. So please uh please allow us, Father God, to overcome that as well to know that you've already given us eternal judgment. And that judgment was righteous finished at the cross, Lord. That we're perfected forever. that we're holy because of you and not because of us. And that we Yes, although we receive persecution and judgment. It's nothing compared to the fruits in heaven. Father God, thank you.
We leave everything in your hands, Lord.
And in Jesus name we pray. Amen.
>> Amen.
>> Amen.
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