Trader Caught With Hundreds of Images (Metamora, Michigan)

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[00:02:00]Hello.

[00:02:01]>> Yeah. Hi. Is this Nathan?

[00:02:04]>> Yep. This is Nathan.

[00:02:05]>> Hey, buddy. Uh, my name's Brian. Um, I work with GD delivery, guaranteed delivery. I got a package for you from, uh, the benefit department in from Manuk, Ohio. But I have a I guess I have an old address for you, man. I got like uh one on B in Burton, Michigan. One All right, buddy. I appreciate it. Um I'll be over there here shortly. Okay. I think I'm probably just like a few minutes away.

[00:02:29]>> All right.

[00:02:30]>> All right. Thank you, sir.

[00:02:33]>> Thank you.

[00:02:49]Hey, how you doing, man? Good. How are you?

[00:02:51]>> Good, good, good. You, Nathan? Yep.

[00:02:52]>> Right on, man. Hey, is there anybody else? I don't want to like I'm going talk to you out away from everybody if there's anybody else in there. It's it's about some internet [ __ ] I'm not a cop or anything, bro. You're not in trouble or anything like that, but hoping you can help us out with some some of the people you've kind of been trading with and [ __ ] online. I'm not a cop or anything like that. Uh there's some people you've kind of been trading with that are really bad. If you want to help me out with some of those people that sent you some of the stuff because some of it's obviously pretty young and pretty bad. You know what I mean?

[00:03:18]>> I blocked them all.

[00:03:19]>> You blocked them all. Okay. All right.

[00:03:21]>> The whole >> Right. Right. Okay.

[00:03:23]>> Telegram.

[00:03:24]>> Telegram. Okay. Have you been receiving some of it from Tik Tok too though?

[00:03:28]>> No.

[00:03:28]>> No. None on Tik Tok. So >> I don't get on Tik Tok.

[00:03:32]>> Right. So is it mainly just on Telegram then?

[00:03:34]>> Okay. Do you remember like any of the of the screen names of the people that have sent them to you? Put it this way. If there was there was a guy selling small like you know and [ __ ] right? You know, and if a cop went up to that person and was like, "Hey, man, you know, he's most likely not going to bother him, you know what I mean? He's like the low guy on the totem pole." He's going to say, "Hey, where where you getting it from?

[00:03:54]Where's where's the ones getting the" and [ __ ] like that, right? That's what this is, man. There's there's a couple that you've been trading with, I think, that >> that you could help us out. It'd be big.

[00:04:03]They're the ones that are prod producing these. I don't think you're producing them, right? You're not None of these videos are yours, right? Okay. I think though the ones that are producing them and making them, those are the ones that are really hurting these kids. And you know what I'm saying? How long have you been into this if you don't mind me asking? I'm not judging you. It's just, you know, >> the getting them. I just started last year maybe two years ago.

[00:04:24]>> About two years ago. Okay.

[00:04:26]>> I was born and someone sent me a message, >> right? Just just got exposed to it and couldn't get away from it. It's it's a common thing, man. For believe it or not, >> I have not done it in a while. if you can kind of give me some context of um is it girls and boys or just girls or what?

[00:04:41]>> Girl, just girls.

[00:04:42]>> Just the girls. Okay. Okay. Cuz we got one that we're trying to find that is does a lot of the boys, you know, and so I didn't know if you dealt with I hadn't seen any of that, but I you know, just the girls.

[00:04:52]>> So, we um you know, like I said, it's a totally voluntary. I'm not I'm not here to hurt you or anything like that. I don't have any weapons. You're you're cool, right? It's kind of dangerous because it's it's a it's a sensitive conversation. You know what I mean? So, but yeah. Um, what's like the youngest that you've seen on there that of the girls? Like what's the youngest they've sent you? Have you had any and [ __ ] like that? Cuz there's a couple that >> that's common.

[00:05:13]>> I want to say the youngest maybe >> years old. Okay. Um, let me ask you this. Is there any adults in in the videos with the olds that you can remember?

[00:05:23]>> Couple of them.

[00:05:24]>> Couple of them. Okay. Um, can you kind of give me some context of what what they're doing with the child and and what the person the adult looks like?

[00:05:31]No, it doesn't show the adult.

[00:05:32]>> Doesn't show the the face.

[00:05:34]>> Yep. No faces.

[00:05:35]>> Gotcha. Okay. Okay.

[00:05:36]>> Just give them >> giving them. Okay. So, all the given the adult Okay. So, that's why you don't see the adult's face.

[00:05:42]>> Gotcha. Is there any like details of the background or what it seems like the location is that they're Is it in a room or >> It's in a room.

[00:05:50]>> Is there possibility that the comforter maybe look maybe look might look like the child's comforter or is it looks like >> No, it looks like a an adult comforter.

[00:05:58]Not a kid. That's a bed king size bed.

[00:06:01]>> Okay. Okay. How often is it that they send them to you? Like how does it happen caught quite often or >> when it did?

[00:06:07]>> Yeah. Like when you were into it like >> they only only if I like message them or they message me. They one sent me a few videos, >> right?

[00:06:17]>> And then that was it. And then another one tried to send me another one.

[00:06:21]>> Do they ever ask for money?

[00:06:22]>> Yep.

[00:06:23]>> They do. Okay. Um, is there any way that you can help me out with um how I could see if there's if there's a trail like that I can track them that way?

[00:06:30]Sometimes it's >> cash app. Okay. Okay.

[00:06:33]>> I can't get into my cash app.

[00:06:34]>> You can't get into cash app.

[00:06:36]>> They blocked me.

[00:06:37]>> They blocked you. [ __ ] Um, is it possible because of that? Cuz you're Okay. I would say that's probably it.

[00:06:44]You know, >> the last when I did do the cash up thing.

[00:06:48]>> Yeah.

[00:06:48]>> They didn't block I didn't get blocked till like a year after. It takes them a while to pick up on it.

[00:06:54]>> Deleted everything, deleted the program, all that.

[00:06:58]>> Yeah. Okay. Um, what was the amount that they charged you for that when?

[00:07:02]>> 25.

[00:07:03]>> For 25 bucks, you probably get what, four videos?

[00:07:06]>> Um, oh, 12.

[00:07:08]>> Oh, okay. And those are all just videos, right? How long are the videos?

[00:07:13]>> Um, varies.

[00:07:16]>> Various.

[00:07:16]>> Yeah. Some were like a few seconds, one was like a minute, something.

[00:07:20]>> Okay. And those are generally about what age? Like do you know do you know about is it the same person that they're using or is it >> No.

[00:07:28]>> Oh [ __ ] Okay. So they're chances are they they've got access to several children then to be able to send you know multiple videos. Okay. You don't remember that person at all? No. You got your phone? You don't have I don't want it. I just was just I'm going to show you a little trick as it just go ahead. Yeah. Yeah, >> like I said, I don't want your phone.

[00:07:53]I'm not here for that. Just if you don't mind, just >> um open Telegram. Let me just see if if Yeah. Any of the ones that you're downloading?

[00:08:04]>> Oh, gotcha. Gotcha. How often would you would you send them the 25? Is it like weekly or do they require it to be like periodic or is it just >> Um they I've only done that one time.

[00:08:14]>> Just the one time. Gotcha.

[00:08:17]>> I only paid for it one time.

[00:08:19]>> Gotcha. Okay. And did they um did they ever ask you to send like an Apple card or some of them like some of them asked for that? Have you ever had that?

[00:08:27]>> Yep.

[00:08:28]>> They gave me like options to pay, >> right? You you've been totally cool and honest with me and I totally appreciate that cuz it it helps, believe it or not.

[00:08:35]It really does help. Okay. All right.

[00:08:39]Well, I don't recognize any of those.

[00:08:42]Whenever I leave, if I if I leave you with one of my cards, could with my number, could you call me if um if you do receive if you get reached out by any of them that reached out to you in the past?

[00:08:52]>> Do they ever try to reach out to you since you bought them from him before?

[00:08:56]They don't try to keep reaching out and trying to get you to buy more.

[00:08:59]>> One guy did twice and I told him I was good, but quit messaging me and then I deleted Telegram.

[00:09:03]>> Gotcha. Okay. Okay.

[00:09:05]>> He tried to do it twice after.

[00:09:07]>> Right. Right. How long you been on Tik Tok?

[00:09:09]>> On Tik Tok?

[00:09:10]>> Yeah. Uh, I got on TikTok when it first came out and that was it.

[00:09:14]>> Oh, really? Oh, so you haven't had it in a while?

[00:09:16]>> No, I don't get on TikTok.

[00:09:18]>> Gotcha. Okay. This is one that we had noticed.

[00:09:22]Can you tell me if if you know if I can how I can find this girl you were talking to? Did she ever tell you where she's where she's from? I know she said she's from this area, but do you did she ever tell you exactly where >> she says she's from this area? Yeah.

[00:09:41]Yeah. But I haven't got an I haven't been get an address yet.

[00:09:45]>> Um you you remember her, right?

[00:09:47]>> No, >> this one here.

[00:09:49]>> Yeah. Um you told us she was pretty.

[00:09:52]Like I said, you didn't really get you didn't get really that with this one, but this particular one, her her her face recognition pictures popped up.

[00:10:02]as somebody that's been missing for a while. We had initially kind of originally about how you came on our radar is because of stuff like this, these little girls that you've been you were kind of commenting on some of these little girls. That's kind of what got us try to look into little few things and I have a tech, okay, that um that gets into people like yourself that gets into your phones to see what's what's been going on when they see that you kind of had this kind of activity. You're being cooperative with me and I appreciate that. Uh but my text has said like there he has seen quite a bit of you know of the videos and pictures of child in your phone. Like I said it's uh it's not a huge concern to me because you're like the lowhanging fruit of the tree. You know what I mean? If you're wanting to get rid of a poisonous tree, what do you do? You get you get it at the root, right? You know, you don't go and pick the poisonous fruit and spread it, right?

[00:10:54]>> You want to get it at the root, you know? And that's kind of what that's what we're trying to do. some of these people that you've been buying from.

[00:11:00]Those are the people that I really need to try to try to get a hold of. I'd like to try to find out something about this little girl here, too. Um, that picture that I have there is not a very good picture, but she resembles Tik Tok.

[00:11:10]>> Oh, I could be wrong. I'm I'm a boomer.

[00:11:13]I don't I don't know. Recognize >> this Instagram.

[00:11:16]>> The Instagram. Okay. Okay, that makes sense. That makes sense.

[00:11:21]>> It got blocked, too. Okay. you were trading in in in this stuff for a while to have several different things, you know, kind of taken down because of it.

[00:11:29]Is that fair to say, you know? So, that was Instagram, you said. Is that what it >> Instagram? Okay.

[00:11:37]>> Like I said, I I got on TikTok when it first came out.

[00:11:40]>> Let me show you a little trick. Okay.

[00:11:42]Like I said, my tech has been in your phone for a while. I don't know if you've noticed your phone doing anything weird. You have? Okay. That's cuz he has to do certain things with the settings in your phone every now and then to get to different parts of your phone. He's let me know that there was um you know quite a bit in there. You know what I mean? So, I'm willing to help you. All right? I'm not selling you nothing. I'm not here to sell you anything. We're here literally to protect these kids and hopefully find especially this one cuz this one here, it's been about a year and uh she's popped up the last couple of months, last three or four months.

[00:12:13]It's her profile has been pretty active.

[00:12:16]You know what I mean? It's kind of hard with that picture, you know, her holding her chin with the, you know, her lips like that. But, and you know, I'm not racist, but >> you say you don't have your cash app anymore. There's no way to go back and see the transaction at all.

[00:12:34]>> Nope. I've tried and I've tried see if I had it downloaded.

[00:12:42]I had to create another one. Right.

[00:12:44]Go back to the the home screen of it.

[00:12:47]Um, >> that wasn't the right account.

[00:12:49]>> Oh, okay.

[00:12:50]>> Can you go to the bottom right on that one?

[00:12:53]>> Oh, [ __ ] Sorry.

[00:12:54]>> You're okay. You're okay, man.

[00:12:55]>> Okay. So, this this one is I just made this like two or three days ago.

[00:12:59]>> Oh, okay. Gotcha. Gotcha.

[00:13:00]>> Because they won't let me in my other cash app and I needed money from >> Okay. Gotcha. So, the one that I try to get into, go to your transactions that shows that.

[00:13:14]Go to your the Yep. Yeah. Go y Okay.

[00:13:19]But let me let me explain something while you're looking for that. Okay. Cuz um this is very important. I want you to show I want to show you my end as far as me scratching your back cuz this is a you scratch my back, I scratch your kind of thing. Okay? if you can help me out and track some of these people that are that you've been purchasing from, I'd be willing to send you something. And basically what it is, it's a box that you plug into your phone. Videos and pictures when you delete them, they're not really deleted. So even the ones that you've deleted, they're still retrievable in your phone. Your phone has a hard drive just like a computer, right?

[00:13:51]>> And since my tech can see them, that means other techs can see them as well.

[00:13:54]My side of the group is like the second chance chapter, okay? We we like to give second chances if we can gain something out of it. Like getting these big that are really really doing bad [ __ ] to these kids. I'd be willing to send you something that'll help you get rid of them to where you can't get caught up in the [ __ ] and get you completely out of it. But I kind of need to know about how many you think are in there so I can send you the right box. I got three different boxes. One does 50 or less.

[00:14:18]The other one does 100 or less. And then the big box will do up to a thousand.

[00:14:23]It's not that uncommon, believe it or not, to have up to a thousand or more.

[00:14:27]But I just don't want to send you a small box if it's going to overheat because you have more. You know what I mean? And I don't want to send you a big box if I don't you don't need a big box.

[00:14:35]So, you had to have an idea of like how many you think would be in your phone that we need to get rid of for you. And I won't be here to do it. It's just going to come in the mail. You're going to plug it in. You're going to just do what it says. And when it's done, it'll be complete. You can take the box and throw in the trash. Burn it. I don't give a [ __ ] It just literally retrieves all of that out of there. Um, and it only goes after the young girls that are and boys that are, you know what I mean? So, how many of those do you think that are in there that we we need to get rid of?

[00:15:04]>> Not a thousand.

[00:15:06]>> Not a thousand. You think it'd be over a hundred?

[00:15:10]If it's over 100, I still got to send the big box. But if it's under a hundred, then you know, >> that's not No, they're Yeah, they're not going.

[00:15:22]>> They are looking over here. Hey, we act like we're doing the interview. How you guys doing? Going >> all right.

[00:15:28]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're just having a conversation with Nathan here, but you promised you're not going to purchase child anymore, right? And you said it was that was an adult that you had. You purchased it for what? 25 bucks on Cash App.

[00:15:40]>> Yep.

[00:15:41]>> Okay. All right. That's what we're here to talk to.

[00:15:42]>> Say that again.

[00:15:43]>> He has admitted to me today that he um he's he's purchased some child through Cash App. 25 bucks. You got what? How many videos?

[00:15:50]>> I don't remember.

[00:15:51]>> Was 12. Okay. So, anyway, we've been recording it. So, um but yeah, he uh he's been purchasing child um quite a bit of it. He's been talking to a lot of underage kids, been commenting on a lot of young girls profiles on >> Why don't you come talk to me real quick?

[00:16:06]>> Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. How you doing, man?

[00:16:07]>> Good. How are you?

[00:16:10]>> Okay. So, >> where you at? How do you How do you How do you get involved?

[00:16:14]>> I say, "Oh, I run a group called um Predator Poachers Illinois."

[00:16:17]>> Are you guys ones that we always see on YouTube?

[00:16:20]>> Uh, most likely. Um, but we don't slap the PRs around if that's one one you're thinking of. A lot of people think about the ones that stand out.

[00:16:27]>> I don't know if about the ones that like you say slap around.

[00:16:29]>> Yeah, we don't do that.

[00:16:30]>> I I haven't seen any of those.

[00:16:31]>> Okay, that's good cuz those we don't approve of. What we do is uh we have decoys all over the country. He uh he talked to this decoy here. This decoy kind of just reached out because she had noticed that he was commenting on all these little girls >> uh is the the presumed age. She's an adult, but she goes by he was posting, you know, commenting on all these little girls and stuff. Can I get a picture? Uh this one was Instagram. Yeah. Which he he told me today that his Instagram got h got taken down and it was because of this kind of stuff. She tells him right away in the very first part of the conversation that she's so he's let known immediately the age. There's a selfie he sent. So what we did was we came out here. I'm going let you have this. You can look through all that. I have it all on a Google Drive on a SD card. I'm going to give you also I have the full video of our whole interaction here as well.

[00:17:22]>> Is it on video or audio?

[00:17:24]>> It's video and audio. Yes.

[00:17:25]>> Video.

[00:17:26]>> It's right in that vehicle there. Um and yeah, he he he told me that he has made purchases. Um, like I said there, he said he purchased it for like 25 bucks.

[00:17:36]>> Did he tell you on what or how?

[00:17:38]>> Um, through Telegram. Here's my ID.

[00:17:41]Yeah, he purchased it through Telegram.

[00:17:43]And uh, he said he got 12 videos for the 25 bucks. And then I asked him some of the content and he said a year old girl, an adult male.

[00:17:53]>> What's been your experience? I'm going to be honest with you.

[00:17:56]>> I've seen your videos. I know I don't know if it's you or not. I I know what it's about.

[00:18:00]>> Yeah. What what's your been what's you been what's your experience with the prosecutor's office?

[00:18:05]>> Uh our conviction rate is very very high.

[00:18:08]>> The day of what's been your experience with your law enforcement and your process's office like when the day you come out here.

[00:18:13]>> U they take him in custody or >> absolutely. Um well if anything at very least um they will take the phone because of the admittance of that you know. Um, you know, I I I look at a phone seizure as a win, but um in this case here, um, in this state, uh, I can I can give you clips, show you some clips. So, I have people that will screen record key points like where he admitted to purchasing it and all that.

[00:18:40]So, those admittance, >> you live streaming right now?

[00:18:42]>> Yes, sir. Yes.

[00:18:42]>> How many views you got?

[00:18:43]>> I don't know. I have I've been away from the car the whole time.

[00:18:45]>> I'll be TikTok famous. No. Yeah. You'll be in there.

[00:18:48]>> So, all right. Let's get back to it. So, he admitted to you and that's not through you. the $25. That's That's something different here.

[00:18:53]>> No, that's not us. Yeah, we don't participate any of that. So there's no there's never any enttrapment in any of our cases. Yeah, because we do let them know the age right away. Uh we also none of my decoys, they don't do any leading.

[00:19:04]>> So my decoys don't don't make it. They don't push it to be at all. We always let them do it all. He asked her for pictures and she said um she said no. Uh I don't do that. I don't want to get blackmailed. She said some friends of mine said that they uh sell pictures on Telegram. Is that true? because she knew he had telegram and he said yeah and she's like she goes I can't believe girls do that my age do that and he said they do and he and then she said do they sell them he said yes cuz he asked her to trade and she's like is that what you meant by trade and he said yeah and she says I I don't think kids my age do that and he's like he said they do and she said what trade or sell and he said both and then he said in there he said that he has done both he's both traded with kids and he's also bought them And he said in that chats there she asked him how does he purchase it? He says chime.

[00:19:54]So when I interviewed him today I asked him like hey I says you know I just acted like we had a tech in his phone. I lied to him but I act like we >> I act like we have a guy an investigator in his phone and could see all the stuff and I asked him how much he had in his phone and I I I act like I was going to help him. I was like look man if you can help me find these people that you purchased it from cuz they're the bad ones. you know, they're the ones that are really, really hurting the children.

[00:20:20]You know what I mean? I was like, "Those are the ones I really want." And he said that that's when he let me know that he purchased it through Cash App. And then I was like, "What about Chime?" He said, "Yeah, but I don't use it." So, you're going to see quite a bit, I think, of transactions between the two. Now, his Cash App did get taken down. Like, he he lost his Cash App, and it was I'm sure because of him purchasing jobs.

[00:20:41]>> And you said you have a Google Drive of this, too. Yes, sir.

[00:20:44]>> And and I'll be able to get a copy of >> Yep. your video from when you got here.

[00:20:47]>> I'll tell you what I can go ahead and do. I can go ahead and pull it out now and I'm just going to drag and drop a copy for myself and then I'll give you the SD card which has the video.

[00:20:57]>> The question I have just as an investigator is >> I get what you guys are doing. I get why you guys are doing it.

[00:21:04]>> Why wouldn't you bring us in? Like why wouldn't you come to our office and be like, "Hey, listen. This is what's happening." just and I don't know if you have experience with that, but that's that's my mindset is like, hey, if you're going to do this, >> well, >> why would you come on our office?

[00:21:16]>> I mean, I I I think I know your answer.

[00:21:18]It's probably going to be I'd tell you no.

[00:21:20]>> No, no, not that at all. What we find most of the time if is that first of all, we do the interview because we can get them to admit to the stuff that's in the chats. Before that, it's just whatever's in the chat's not verified.

[00:21:32]You know what I mean? And so we go out to do the interview because that's where we can actually get them to admit to all that stuff which is what happened here.

[00:21:40]Um but if we did come to you first then what happens is a lot of times if you get a good defense attorney they will say well if they had prior knowledge before the interview then they let that he was working as a steward under them >> and that would be an issue. So that's why we keep it quiet. And we have most of the officers that we've dealt with in the past where we go back to the area.

[00:22:01]They're like, "Don't tell us ahead of time cuz it could ruin the case."

[00:22:04]>> You know what I mean?

[00:22:05]>> Yeah. Like I said, this is uh I've been doing I've been doing it 11 years. It's a new one for me. I know you guys exist.

[00:22:10]>> There's others that don't do it. Um the guy I was telling you about, Alex, he had busted my neighbor two doors down from me on Christmas morning a few years ago.

[00:22:18]>> And um that's how I met him. And then I did some investigating >> on that guy. and which is what actually got the guy locked up because he was smart enough to swipe his phone.

[00:22:29]>> So, Alex couldn't get him on the phone [ __ ] So, I did some investigating and I found some other stuff on him. That's actually what got him arrested and put him behind bars. And so, me and Alex kind of just started to do another chapter. So, >> if you don't mind, let me go talk to Nate. I I know him. Not a person.

[00:22:43]>> I figured that cuz he said your name.

[00:22:45]>> Um cuz he works at the gas station and he works at a couple businesses up here.

[00:22:48]So, I see him around.

[00:22:49]>> I'm going to go ahead and pull that card out and drag and drop for you. Yep.

[00:22:52]video >> and I'm going to show you some clips as well.

[00:22:57]>> Show the officer right now on scene.

[00:23:00]>> Oh my god.

[00:23:01]>> He's making and then we have the full video uh on an SD card with all the chat logs and everything digitally, the decoy information, everything, it's all going to be handed over to the officers.

[00:23:12]>> Okay. Um so you after having contact with him, you guys he How is it that you got to his house?

[00:23:22]Um, so I had his phone number and I called him. I called him and told him that I worked for u some [ __ ] um company that was trying to deliver a package to him.

[00:23:32]>> Oh.

[00:23:33]>> And he he gave me his trailer number.

[00:23:36]>> Oh, okay. Okay. So, you guys are down at the trailer park in >> Yes.

[00:23:42]>> Okay. So, then you confronted him about the con the conversations that he had been having online.

[00:23:48]>> That's correct. Yep.

[00:23:49]>> Already gave it up. He basically gave it up right away. Once once he realized that I knew certain details of what he's been doing, he pretty he pretty much caved right away and and just was very cooperative and and and and you know was honest with me from that point on.

[00:24:04]>> Okay.

[00:24:04]>> And he uh yeah, he uh he he he admitted to purchasing it. He said he gets uh he got 12 videos for 25 bucks. He purchased it with uh his Cash App, which has since been taken um basically nuked for purchasing child I would assume. Um, but he also talks about purchasing it from on >> Can he download it? So, he down he has some in his possession.

[00:24:28]>> So, yeah, I do this little skit where I say, "Hey, um, you know, I'd be willing to help you out if you can get me in contact with these big guys that are actually, you know, sending it out." And I was like, I would send you a box that you can use to delete all the stuff that's out of your in your phone that could get you in trouble. I said, "It's a it's a basically an AI box that will recognize all the young children that are and it'll get rid of them." Cuz I said, "It's in your hard drive. You can't get rid of any other way." I said, "So, how many do you think it's in your phone?" So, I need to know what size box to send you. I said, "I got a small box will do 50 or less. The medium box will do 100 or less, and the large box will do a thousand or more." He said, "Well, there's not a thousand." I said, "Is there over a hundred?" He said, "Yeah."

[00:25:07]So, yeah, he's got what? He's got a lot in there.

[00:25:09]>> And we have a bunch on his phone, right?

[00:25:11]>> On his phone. Yes, sir. I have a bunch of clips right here of him.

[00:25:15]>> What was it?

[00:25:16]>> Okay. But it's in his It's in his phone, not a computer.

[00:25:19]>> That is correct. Yes.

[00:25:21]>> Okay. Okay.

[00:25:23]>> Okay. Yeah. Did you put um put Sergeant back down?

[00:25:26]>> Yeah. He's uh he just he just approached the other officer up there. So, give him one second. He'll be >> Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. Okay.

[00:25:34]>> But this guy, he's being cooperative with the police then.

[00:25:36]>> Uh he seems to be. Yeah.

[00:25:38]>> Just searched him everything. Supposedly he had a knife on him earlier, but they they're doing very well.

[00:25:44]>> Okay, cool.

[00:25:45]>> Yeah, your officers are great. Your officers are great, man.

[00:25:49]SD card ready for this officer. I think we're going to have a really good outcome on this one. This guy's a sick and he's I guarantee he's got a lot on his phone.

[00:26:01]That's pretty quick. I got him I got him on the hook pretty fast on that one.

[00:26:07]That was nice.

[00:26:14]Yeah. Um, I'll try to get your shot of the >> go.

[00:26:25]>> Like you said, you cannot go inside.

[00:26:27]>> Okay.

[00:26:28]>> Oops.

[00:26:31]>> Uh, let me talk to J.

[00:26:34]All right.

[00:26:43]>> Okay. So, definitely save the clips that you have for right now. Um, I'm not sure what your guys' process was. We have a pretty strict process here like when we do go and stuff like that of how we obtain certain information. Um, so hold on to that for right now. I'm just here as backup. We just happen to have a really good detective that does all this stuff.

[00:27:09]Detective for the entire county for almost 20 years. So >> nice.

[00:27:13]>> He He's really good at this.

[00:27:14]>> Good.

[00:27:15]>> And I'll talk with him once we find out more of your guys process of how you guys obtained all this. I want to make sure that we're not doing >> Absolutely. No, I understand that. Yeah, I respect that.

[00:27:26]>> He's going to be very happy with with the evidence we have for him, >> which I'm thrilled about.

[00:27:31]>> Yeah. So, I'd rather be doing this than right in a park theater, >> right? Yeah. Me, too. A lot of departments have told us that um first of all, we, you know, us doing the interview, we have the chats and we have, you know, that, but it's not verified until we get him to admit and and that it was him and that he's done these things. So, that's the whole point of the interview.

[00:27:51]>> That with their cell phone some time cuz they want to put, you know, text messages in with court. And I go, >> "Yeah, >> I got an app on my phone that changes my phone number when I call anybody."

[00:28:00]>> Exactly. Exactly.

[00:28:01]>> I don't want crazy is getting my phone number.

[00:28:03]>> Exactly.

[00:28:04]>> I could use it for nefarious reasons, too.

[00:28:06]>> Every single pred says, "Oh, it was hacked." You know what I mean? But when we get them to admit that, yeah, you know, all that. And that's that's why we do the interview. Um, and then the thing is the reason we don't come to you guys first is if we do and then we go do our interview, a good defense attorney would be like, "Well, he was working as a steward under them and he's not a cop and therefore it could damage the case."

[00:28:25]So, we've had most officers tell us, don't tell us ahead of time. the most that they'll let let us do is say just let us know like, hey, I'm gonna be in town and that's good enough for them, you know, once we've established ourselves in different areas.

[00:28:38]>> My my biggest concern for you is, you know, your guys' safety.

[00:28:42]>> Yeah.

[00:28:43]>> People feel like they get backed into a car, they do stuff.

[00:28:46]>> If you watch my videos, um you'll see how I handle it. Um I I I combat that by being extra nice, uh very trusting, you know what I mean? So, >> I try to be as professional and nice with everybody as I do. Yeah, I'm I'm never combative.

[00:29:01]>> Yeah, >> we'll see what happens, guys. Um they're they're kind of a little bit gunshy, which is okay. I understand it. You know, they want to do it the right way.

[00:29:08]Um but hopefully I can show him these clips and they will go off of those clips.

[00:29:13]>> I don't know if you're from Illinois.

[00:29:14]Are you from Illinois, too?

[00:29:15]>> Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[00:29:16]>> They they may not be 100% up with Michigan law. No offense.

[00:29:20]>> No, no, you're fine. You're all right.

[00:29:22]>> We just got to cover our bases.

[00:29:24]>> Absolutely. Um, I think you're good though with him already admitting that.

[00:29:29]>> The messages that you provided me. Yeah.

[00:29:32]>> When was that taking place? I'm not seeing dates.

[00:29:34]>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I can find out for you right now. Give me one second. Grab my phone.

[00:29:41]>> You're fine.

[00:29:43]So, first date of contact was June 27th of 25.

[00:29:49]Last date of contact was in March.

[00:29:52]Don't know the exact date, but it was in March of this year.

[00:29:58]>> Perfect.

[00:29:58]>> Cool.

[00:29:59]>> Did you put his phone in airplane mode on or did >> um I didn't get to that point. I was I almost was, but they pulled up right away. So, you guys are quick.

[00:30:08]>> These cops are pretty cool.

[00:30:23]I'm going to go around you actually.

[00:31:00]I don't know what just happened.

[00:31:13]This was stuck.

[00:31:24]Yeah, I think he's a big time trader, guys. He did say he's like, "Well, I don't think I have a thousand." So, you got over 100 and it was an immediate yes.

[00:31:34]And of course, he admitted to purchasing it and stuff.

[00:31:38]So, you know, anytime they're purchasing it, trust me, just not the one time fast.

[00:31:45]>> Yeah, it was pretty It was pretty quick, man.

[00:31:50]The admittance was fast.

[00:31:53]I decided since this one there wasn't a whole lot of talk with the decoy. It was just basically just talking about >> what he's received.

[00:32:03]and what he's seen.

[00:32:08]So, at that point, I just like, you know what? I'm just going to go in there and just go straight to it.

[00:32:24]Heat.

[00:32:29]Heat.

[00:32:47]So, bro, little uh the cops bring to Little Wayne.

[00:32:53]>> Yeah.

[00:32:54]>> Hey, these cops are cool, man.

[00:32:56]Seriously, they're based.

[00:32:59]I'm digging them. I think they're all right.

[00:33:15]I mean, look guys, I don't blame the uh the police for wanting to make sure that they're doing everything right. You know, it's good. It's a good sign. They don't want to mess anything up. They don't know us, you know what I mean?

[00:33:27]They don't know us, so they don't know how credable we are. So, it's it's totally understandable, and I honestly I respect him for it. So, I am uh yeah, I'm I'm very pleased with how they're handling so far. Bottom line is we got the phone seizure for sure. We all know what that phone is going to going to going to give us. So, that's the first step. Anytime we get a phone seizure, that's a win. I think they're going to do their their best and they're going to do a good job. They have a very good investigator here from what we're told. Um he's been ahead of the um the investigation against uh crimes against children. So for 20 something years, 20 years. So you know, I think that I have no doubt in my mind that this is going to have some good justice here that he deserves.

[00:34:22]God, I'm so glad we got this one, guys.

[00:34:27]Oh, yeah. I bet Arizona would be a treasure trove for good square body pickups. That's That's my love right there. My first love was a 78 Chevy. My first love 78 Chevy. Um I bought it when I was 14 years old.

[00:34:42]I bought it from mowing yards in the summer and shoveling snow in the winter and saving my money. I paid what, like 2500 bucks for it back then. And by the time I was 16, I had taken it had a 350 fourbolt main in it, high nickel block.

[00:34:58]And um I built that sucker from the inside out and it was a fast truck. I had two four barrel 650 double pumper Holly carbs on there. Uh it it it it ate the gas, but back then gas was only like 97 cents a gallon. So or a dollar two a gallon, whatever it was.

[00:35:29]Hey, there we go.

[00:35:38]Yeah.

[00:36:04]What's up, guys? PP Illinois here. We got this guy over here, Metamore, Michigan, actively purchasing and trading in the bad stuff with the little kids, obviously. So, he's got cuffs on now. They've seized his phone and justice will be served. So you guys follow us on Facebook, Predator Poachers Illinois on Facebook. YouTube, we got Brian Garden1 on YouTube or we got Predator Poachers Illinois on YouTube.

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