650 EEG Brainwave Results - VWE Mindsight Seminar Participants - Jeff Tarrant Presentation Jan 2026

Added: 2026-06-01

[00:00:00]Um, okay. So, let me just give a little bit of a brief kind of a a background uh so that we sort of know what the heck we're talking about here before things show up on the screen and we're well they already show up on the screen but so that you know what you're looking at.

[00:00:14]So, basically with each person that comes up there's a lot of data cleaning that has to happen and so I've been trying to do that in between things not super successfully. Uh, so basically right now I got a bunch of raw data. But what I started was right at the very beginning, you know, when I have time to clean data, go back to subject one, clean all their data, look at it, go to subject two. So at this point, I've only got two subjects that I've got enough data to look at and do anything with, but it's something to look at, right?

[00:00:45]Um, and so um, uh, Austin happened to be subject one. He said it was okay if I shared his name, so I checked first. Uh, and so basically just as a reminder of kind of what we did, right? We did a a recording at baseline where he was looking at the materials, uh, colored paper and UNO cards without a mask, right? So that's like the baseline, like what what does your brain do when you're just looking at something, right? So we got that as a baseline. Then we did several additional recordings. One was imagination. So I didn't give him anything. He had a mask on and just said, "Imagine a blue piece of paper.

[00:01:24]Tell me how clear it is." Right? We go through a series of those. Then we did a pinhole mask. Those of you that have done the pinhole mask, it's very interesting. Literally, it's a safety pin. There's three holes on each side.

[00:01:36]And it's weird. You put it on, you're like, "Oh, I can see through these." Uh, thinking that might actually be an interesting training uh thing for people.

[00:01:43]>> Well, and we do do that. I give out two masks, one with a pinhole in it, and it works. It helps turn on the mindset.

[00:01:49]>> There you go. Um, but ask them to specifically look through the pin holes.

[00:01:54]And the purpose of that is because, of course, one of the criticisms is that people say, oh, there's a flaw in the mask that you're looking through. That's why you can see stuff. It's not mind sight. So, it's like, well, let's see what happens when you look through pin holes in the mask. And so, then we can control for that. And then finally, we have the mindsight uh data. And so what we did was I've got all these data sets and then essentially what I did was run an analysis where I can take two different um recordings and compare them to each other. So essentially subtracting them. So then what you're seeing is what's the difference, right? So like what's the difference between eyes open viewing and mindset? What's the difference between pinhole mask and mindset? Now, because the EEG is very sensitive to noise, muscle tension, and things like that, it often messes up all the frontal electrodes, right? You know, I practice a little bit myself and I know what happens. You put the mask on and all a sudden you're going, >> "Yeah, and making these crazy faces, which just creates all kinds of muscle tension up here, right?" And just wrecks havoc on the EEG. The good news is that your visual processing is way back here.

[00:03:05]And so even if you're kind of moving your face around and doing weird stuff, this doesn't get affected very much. So at least preliminarily, if that's a word, we're going to focus on this because we know it's pretty clean, right? As opposed to the stuff where it's really messy. So that's what this you're seeing here. This is a rotated head. So it's focused on the occipital lobe at the very back. So that's kind of what you're seeing. This snapshot again, this is Austin's data.

[00:03:31]This is comparing eyes open viewing to mind sight. So it's saying what's the difference between just looking with your eyeballs and looking with mindsight. So this first image is delta brain waves the differences. Delta is the slowest brain wave. So when the color is green, it basically means there's no real difference between the two conditions. It was about the same.

[00:03:53]When the colors get cooler, light blue into dark blue, then there was less in this case delta during mine sight. When the colors get brighter, yellow, orange, red, and then kind of a whitish gray, it means there was significantly more of whatever that brain wave is compared to the the baseline. Does that sort of make sense?

[00:04:17]>> Okay. So here we're looking at delta and you can see on the right side not much change on the left it got much quieter the delta decreased usually when delta decreases that suggests sort of an activation because delta is a slow brain wave right so if you think of delta as being like going to sleep it's like well you're not asleep right so the delta goes down it's more of an activated state so we see the delta kind of goes down here's theta looks very similar and that's pretty typical Delta and theta often kind of behave in similar ways.

[00:04:50]It's another slow brain wave. Not as not as dramatic as the delta, but more of a decrease.

[00:05:00]>> Nothing.

[00:05:01]>> Oh, wow.

[00:05:02]>> There's alpha.

[00:05:04]So alpha, there's a significant increase uh back there. And that's interesting for a couple of reasons. One, alpha tends to go up when we close our eyes.

[00:05:14]That's one of the characteristics of alpha. You close your eyes, your alpha increases. Now, nobody's eyes were closed. Austin's eyes weren't closed, right? But yet, there's the alpha. Alpha is also associated with an internal awareness, which is one reason when you close your eyes, alpha goes up. You close your eyes, your attention goes inward. You open your eyes, your attention goes outward. Right? So, it's interesting. Eyes are open, but yet the alpha's cruising up. The other thing alpha does is filters information. So, I've heard a few of you talk about how you're really focused when you're doing the mindset. Like, there's nothing else you're paying attention to. You're just zoned in right on this thing. So, it's possible that there's an element of that, too, that you're filtering out all the information so you can just hone in on the one thing.

[00:06:00]Here's beta. So, now we're getting into fast brain waves. So, nice increase of fast brain wave activity. Now, this is interesting because uh it's leaning pretty heavily toward the left. And this is interesting because the way visual processing works, some of you probably know this, that what you see in your right visual field gets processed in the left occipital lobe and what you see on the left visual field gets processed on the right side. And if I'm [clears throat] remembering correctly, Austin could correct me here, but if I'm remembering correctly, he was looking out of his right window, right?

[00:06:39]>> So, you're looking out the right window.

[00:06:41]And guess what? The left occipital lobe lights up.

[00:06:47]>> Here's high beta, so it's even faster.

[00:06:49]And now you're starting to see a little bit of that white in the corner. And remember, I said white is even higher than red. It's even a bigger increase.

[00:06:56]And look, it's super loaded over to the left. right? Which is pretty cool.

[00:07:03]And then here's gamma. So gamma and high beta are usually pretty similar because they're right next door to each other.

[00:07:10]But again, you can see some of that white. It's kind of buried under the red a little bit. Um so it's interesting, right? So the slow brain waves, not much going on there, or if anything, they decreased. But then when you get into alpha and the faster brain waves, you get this big increase. So this has been a semicconsistent pattern that we've seen. Um, it'll be fun to look at all the rest of the data. Um, because this is pretty much, I think, what I saw with Dalia, anybody that knows Dalia, >> um, slow brain waves didn't do much.

[00:07:39]Alpha and all the fast stuff >> cranked up. So, there may be something to that. Again, I suspect there's going to be individual differences because we're all individuals.

[00:07:48]>> Um, uh, do we have time to to look at maybe like pinhole versus >> Sure.

[00:07:54]>> Just look at one more real quick.

[00:07:55]>> Yep.

[00:07:55]>> Can I ask a random question?

[00:07:57]>> Of course. Do most women open on the left and most men open on the right?

[00:08:01]>> Wow.

[00:08:02]>> Um I've not seen that. What's interesting is that so far just observing.

[00:08:07]>> Um sometimes I ask, but um just observing what people have done upstairs.

[00:08:12]>> So I've got an N of nine at this point.

[00:08:15]>> Almost everybody has gone to the right.

[00:08:17]>> There have been I think two people that have gone to the left.

[00:08:20]>> Interesting. uh it doesn't seem to be have much to do with uh you know gender or anything else. Um so that's interesting.

[00:08:29]>> Um and it's funny because I mean I practice a little bit like I said and for me my right side is usually the strongest.

[00:08:35]>> Uh the the left sometimes, you know, every once in a while I'm surprised because I'm like nothing on the right and then like oh there it is. But usually the right is what I can kind of lean on.

[00:08:46]All right, let's look at the pinhole real quick. This is still Austin. I mean, I'd love to look at all of them, but >> we can. [laughter] >> So, um, this is comparing the pinhole viewing, and I think this one's really interesting because, uh, it's a little bit more of a direct comparison in certain ways. Now, this is the whole head. I'm going to put this up even though I just told you a minute ago that we got to be careful looking at this. But what I'm noticing is that the what what I'm seeing with artifact all that noise muscle tension and stuff with the pinhole often looks very similar to the mindset which kind of makes sense because even though there's pin holes you still have to kind of like squint and squeeze a little bit to see through the pin holes. So it actually makes a little bit more of a better direct comparison. We still have to be cautious, but we might as well look at the whole head. So, this is what I mean.

[00:09:38]Like, you see all this white? It's a very, very prefrontal. That's probably noise, right? That's probably not real.

[00:09:45]So, we don't want to read too much into that. But, it's kind of cool to see the whole head top down view.

[00:09:51]>> This is delta. So, you know, kind of a mixed bag there. Got some places with increases, some places with decreases.

[00:10:03]didn't like that. There's theta. Pretty similar again, just like we kind of expect. Delta and theta often. There's the alpha.

[00:10:14]So again, this is comparing the pinhole.

[00:10:16]And so, you know, again, we have to be a little bit cautious about how we interpret things. But that's pretty interesting that it's so loaded over to the right again. Um, and again, you know, you could imagine that if you're looking through pin holes or you're doing mindsite, you're probably I'd have to look at my notes, but again, if I remember right, Austin was still kind of leaning over to the right. And one of the instructions I've been giving people is like even when you're doing the controls, see if you can orient what what you're looking at in the same way you might during mindset, right? So that you know, we don't have a weird eye thing going on. So, got this right loaded alpha up in the frontal loes.

[00:10:54]There's beta.

[00:10:56]>> Hello. Um, again, we got to be a little bit cautious. We don't know how much of that is real and how much of it >> I I was intentionally not doing the level of facial strain that I would normally do with mindset >> with the mindset or the pinhole or both.

[00:11:10]>> Like at any point I was making sure to keep that into account of not expressing my face as much as I otherwise. But yeah, >> and that's what you know, you know, Austin ended up being a really good subject for that, right? Because I mean some people have different levels of being able to do that, right? Of not being able to scrunch your face and things and so obviously that always makes it cleaner data. Uh you know it's it's tricky. I'm still trying to figure that one out.

[00:11:35]>> There's high beta.

[00:11:37]>> Wow.

[00:11:37]>> Whole thing's lit up.

[00:11:39]>> Yeah. Pretty balanced.

[00:11:40]>> There's gamma.

[00:11:41]>> Wow.

[00:11:42]>> That's very balanced, isn't it?

[00:11:43]>> Yeah.

[00:11:44]>> Good job, Austin. [laughter] >> He's got a pretty brain.

[00:11:48]>> Yeah, he is a pretty brain.

[00:11:50]>> He's a gamma head. Look at the brains on him.

[00:11:52]>> Okay, [laughter] now we've got it rotated. So, this is more, you know, we can feel a little bit more confident about this data. This is the occipital lobe again in the very back. This is that delta. Looks actually pretty similar to what we saw comparing eyes open viewing >> uh to uh to mind. So, that's interesting all by itself. That looking through pin holes is kind of looks like the same. I should run that analysis actually. Run eyes open viewing to pinhole and see what that does. Great. Another analysis to do.

[00:12:24]>> We appreciate your effort. [laughter] >> Thanks. It's always funny when I get into these situations, I don't realize how much extra time it takes for the data analysis till I get the data. It's like, oh yeah, piece of cake. And then I'm like, oh >> And this is really the first time that this has been done ever, right?

[00:12:41]>> Yeah. I I don't know. I've heard stories of of people that have collected some EQ data, >> but apparently they're not sharing.

[00:12:49]>> Okay.

[00:12:50]>> So, this will be made public and published.

[00:12:53]>> Yes.

[00:12:53]>> Yeah. Once we get enough data, we plan on uh publishing this. Um uh we still just have to figure out the best way to kind of look at everything because there's >> to compare. There's that alpha.

[00:13:04]>> Nice. Austin.

[00:13:05]>> Yeah.

[00:13:05]>> You're on.

[00:13:07]>> Yeah. Beautiful increase.

[00:13:10]>> Beautiful increase of alpha. Right.

[00:13:14][laughter] >> And it makes sense that it's a little more symmetrical this time, >> right? Because of the comparisons are a little more similar.

[00:13:26]>> There's that beta.

[00:13:28]>> Got that nice. Look at that right sided beta just like lit up.

[00:13:35]>> There's the high beta. Again, very symmetrical. So, what's interesting is there's even a little bit more of an increase on this one, I think, >> uh, than on the just eyes open viewing.

[00:13:46]Not sure why yet, or maybe it's not meaningful, but it's interesting.

[00:13:51]And then there's that gamma uh, you know, nice gamma. It's interesting that in this comparison, things are loaded a little bit more to the right. Again, it's a more fair comparison.

[00:14:02]>> So, um, that's interesting. It's interesting for a couple reasons. You know, a lot of the work I've done previously with psychics and mediums, the there's certain areas of the brain that show up frequently as being involved. Usually, it's right hemisphere stuff, >> which just makes sense. Uh, not always, but a lot. You know, you'll see changes in the right hemisphere either up in the front. Remember, we saw that actually on one of Austin's this right frontal, I think it was the alpha, >> um, and back here, but then also in the occipital lobe. So, especially people doing the psychic reading, usually you get a bunch of gamma back here in the back of the head. So, which is interesting, right? Because the way that most people have described the experience so far is that it's like it's like just seeing, right? It's like somebody cut a hole in the mask and I can see stuff. So, you know, so far most of the people that I've worked with, it hasn't been intuitive. It's been kind of the real time mindsight thing, right? To use your guys' language. Mhm.

[00:15:03]>> Um, >> so that's interesting because it's like, well, >> is it what is it? Is it is it psychic or is it what I think is that however you're getting the information, whether it's a psychic reading and you're doing, you know, it's clairvoyance or or whatever, whether you're doing that or you're doing mindsight, if you're seeing in for information in your head, however it gets there, we don't know how it gets there. However it gets there, your brain has to still process it. Your brain has to make some sort of sense out of it >> and give it to you.

[00:15:33]>> And give it to you, right? And that's what the brain does, right? The brain is constantly trying to make sense out of the world. That's its primary job.

[00:15:39]>> I think the brain actually makes sense.

[00:15:41]We're just trying to figure out how to translate it, >> right? But and I think that's actually what what's happening here, right? Is that the information comes in however it comes in and the brain has to translate it into something that you can perceive.

[00:15:52]>> Correct.

[00:15:53]>> And so it needs the visual processing centers to do that. So whether it's psychic or whether it's mindsight, it makes sense to me that we would see so much back here. And gamma is interesting uh in particular, not to linger there too much, but because gamma, it's the fastest brain wave that we deal with.

[00:16:11]And I don't know how many people I've heard say, oh, it helps to be in a good mood, to be happy, which is a higher vibration state, right? And so h that's interesting. Higher vibration and the highest frequency. Gee, do those go together? Uh yes, they do. Uh we have other data that shows that when you're in a compassionate state, gamma ramps up.

[00:16:30]>> When you're in a loving state, when you're in a state of awe, gamma ramps up. Gamma is also associated with expanded states of consciousness.

[00:16:39]>> So when people take psychedelics, not that I'm necessarily advocating that.

[00:16:44]You notice I said necessarily.

[00:16:47]>> Jeff [laughter] said, we got five people taping this, right?

[00:16:53]>> Do not try this at home.

[00:16:55]Unless you want to.

[00:16:56]>> But the primary thing you see in brain waves in psychedelics is that all the brain waves drop >> except gamma >> nice >> to the ego >> and gamma will ramp up. Right? So it's kind of like you're getting additional information. You know part of what gamma does is integrates high level information but without effort. So you're not you ever notice if you try too hard it doesn't work.

[00:17:18]>> Oh yeah.

[00:17:19]>> Like you got to be in a flow state.

[00:17:21]>> Yeah.

[00:17:21]>> That's that's what gamma does, right?

[00:17:23]Gamma is like a flow state. It's like you get high level information but you're not straining to make it work right to get it. Um gamma's also been implicated in lucid dreaming >> which is interesting right because you're asleep or are you >> right? [laughter] Um uh it's also been shown that at the moment of death there's a giant spike of gamma.

[00:17:49]>> Wow.

[00:17:50]>> So [clears throat] gamma's interesting.

[00:17:51]We don't fully understand what's up with gamma, but clearly it's associated with expanded >> higher states >> on the when people are, you know, about to pass, they get lucid real quick for about 10 seconds.

[00:18:01]>> Yeah, >> that could be that >> could it could be right.

[00:18:04]>> Which is very consistent with hospice workers.

[00:18:10]>> Yeah.

[00:18:12]>> Yeah. So, we could keep talking for hours about this, but I know you still have a bunch of stuff to do. Are there any quick questions before I just kind of like wrap this up and get back to it?

[00:18:22]>> It's more of a comment. I think as someone who's practicing to open his windows further, it would be amazing to see any tips or tricks that you can infer from the data. Like I'd be curious if you have any subjects who are demonstrating the real time window of mindsight ability but are not exhibiting very high beta and that that might imply that like [clears throat] it could be totally fine to just enter a zen out state and not focus too hard. Yes. Yeah.

[00:18:53]Great question. And of course we don't know the answer yet. Um but so before this weekend uh or week I guess it's been a whole week right before this week I had I had mentioned the other day I've collected some preliminary data on a few people and they didn't go through this whole same process right because it was sort of a a pilot. So, we were just kind of checking some stuff out. But the very first person that I tested was a 14year-old >> who had been practicing this for about two and a half years and different program, different process, you know, but um I mean, the most solid 14-year-old I've ever met. I mean, I was like, "Holy crap." I mean, she was just like, she was great. And we ran her through I had her drawing stuff. I would draw something with different colored pencils and then she would copy it with the mask on. She was reading out of books. She was, you know, like it didn't matter what we did, she was just like killing it, right? She didn't have to strain her face at all. She was super chill, super calm. So, I got lucky that the very first person that I ever got to map was like really solid, right? And could do a lot of things.

[00:20:02]>> And her brain waves, she didn't show any of the fast stuff.

[00:20:06]It was it was alpha and theta.

[00:20:08]>> Wow.

[00:20:10]>> Is what increased >> feels like maybe intuition, but from what I've heard from different programs, um it feels like if if the beta levels are low and you're able to just put all that energy output, let's say, into alpha and theta, then you probably are getting the clearest results.

[00:20:28]>> It, you know, it very well may be. And what we may be seeing with the beta and high beta is a little bit of a level of efforting, right? Which again, I mean, I'm glad that I've practiced this a little bit because I I can relate, >> right? To the times where I'm like straining, right? Do you ever have that feeling where it's like, come on, you know, like, [laughter] you know, so that could be some of that beta and high beta, right? It's like it's like efforting, you're working. But like if you get to a point where it's like like like she was like literally she was like, "Oh yeah, windows are open. Okay, go." Right? It was like she didn't have to try giant windows.

[00:21:07]>> Effortless for her.

[00:21:08]>> Effortless. So it makes sense that it might be more of that alphatheta.

[00:21:11]>> It's more relaxed, chill internal state.

[00:21:14]>> So is it is it like for the girl you're just talking about, maybe maybe she's kind of learned it and so it's effortless and then the learning is what's lightening up everybody else. Is that kind of impression again?

[00:21:28]>> I I think that makes sense. I hadn't actually thought it through until the question came up, but it actually makes a lot of sense.

[00:21:34]>> Have you thought about measuring the person's heart? Greg Braden always talks about these experiences being connection between the heart and the brain. Maybe there's a correlation there.

[00:21:43]>> We were chatting about that this morning. And um yes, there's about a thousand additional things that we want to test. So this is kind of like step one, right? You know, step one of about a hundred. Uh so absolutely it'd be great to measure kind of what's going on with the coherence in the heart >> and the gut >> and the gut. Um there'd be a lot of things that would be really you know interesting and you know kind of like we were saying more experienced people versus newer is there a difference? Um I've got data with one blind individual.

[00:22:15]Right. So, it's like, do people who uh aren't cited, does it look different in their brains than people who are cited?

[00:22:24]Right? Like there's there's like a million questions, right? Um Trish, >> now that you said that, I want I'm just kind of curious with your data from the person who you did blind compared to for instance Austin's. What was the brain activity kind of like?

[00:22:39]>> Yeah. And so, he doesn't mind me sharing, but that was Sean. Anybody that knows Shawn? Mhm.

[00:22:44]>> Did you know that he saw his wife's face?

[00:22:46]>> I saw that. I saw that post. Uh >> and so I saw Shawn right at the beginning of him starting to open up.

[00:22:52]>> Uh so it's right at the beginning. So I would suspect it's different now. So back to the other question, right? Like what if you looked at people as they progressed?

[00:23:00]>> Does it look different? So I would suspect that Sean's brain looks different now.

[00:23:05]>> Um but it was interesting. And so those of you that don't know Shawn, he actually doesn't even have any eyeballs.

[00:23:10]>> I love that.

[00:23:11]No.

[00:23:14]>> Yeah.

[00:23:14]>> They had them both removed from the age of under the age of five.

[00:23:18]>> Yeah.

[00:23:19]>> Yeah. As well as part of his optic nerves.

[00:23:21]>> Correct.

[00:23:21]>> Right. So it's like because he had cancer and so that was what they had to do. So uh that's interesting too, right?

[00:23:28]Because it's kind of like wow. It's really hard to argue that it's like well maybe the eyes are picking up something.

[00:23:32]It's like >> there are no eyes. [laughter] >> You can't even make that argument, right? Um, but so for Sean, his was interesting because actually what he showed was an increase of the slow brain waves, delta and theta >> and the fast >> but no alpha. Interesting.

[00:23:50]>> You never had that stimuli.

[00:23:53]>> Who knows, right? I mean again like this is all preliminary data. So that's why we need a lot more, right? So that we can say are there consistent patterns?

[00:24:00]Um or is it just totally individual?

[00:24:03]What I suspect is there are patterns and it's going to take a lot of data to figure out what the heck they are. Thank God for machine learning.

[00:24:11]>> Um, you mentioned the last time you spoke about goggles and how color may impact that. Yeah. Do you have any recommendations on being able to choose um the different levels of color or resources you can direct us to about that please?

[00:24:27]>> Yeah. So I was talking about the light light and sound stimulation. Um so audiovisisual entrainment >> and um I've only done a little bit of preliminary testing with this. So you know what I'm saying is just speculative.

[00:24:40]>> Sure.

[00:24:41]>> But if we think about the gamma like if we if we suspect that gamma is a player here which I think it probably is. And by the way if you think about it if you're flashing lights in your eyes what's the primary part of the brain that's going to get activated?

[00:24:54]Visual cortex. It's light. It's stimulation. It's light stimulation, right? So you can flash the lights at 40 hertz, which is gamma.

[00:25:04]>> So it's 40 cycles per second, right? So it's really fast, right? And so what we know from other research, this was published a couple of years ago, somebody did a study. I love it when people do studies. I'm like, dude, that's exactly what I needed to know, right? You know, thank you. Uh but they were using light stimulation flicker uh at different frequencies with different colors to see which of are the most effective at increasing gamma.

[00:25:33]>> And what they found was actually that it was like 38 hertz, not 40. We always think of gamma as being like 40 hertz.

[00:25:39]38 hertz had the strongest effect and the color red >> really >> had the strongest effect.

[00:25:45]>> Okay.

[00:25:45]>> Followed by white.

[00:25:47]>> White light. And white makes sense because it's got all the colors.

[00:25:50]>> Yeah.

[00:25:50]>> Right. But it's interesting that red and gamma do seem to go together. They seem to have some sort of relationship.

[00:25:55]>> Interesting.

[00:25:56]>> So, are you suggesting that we could adjust a strobe to 38, choose red, and use that to help stimulate the mindset?

[00:26:05]>> Yep.

[00:26:05]>> And is that the one that >> most stimulated?

[00:26:09]>> Yes.

[00:26:10]>> So, if I had a red light at 38 hertz, put it right back here.

[00:26:15]>> Does it got to go through your eyes?

[00:26:16]>> Stick it right on your eyes. also put on >> and through the blindfold or lift the blindfold up and have your eyes open.

[00:26:23]>> I mean, I wouldn't do it. I Well, >> well, if you have system, >> you you can choose whichever colors, green, blue.

[00:26:35]>> Yeah, you can choose whatever colors.

[00:26:36]I'm just suggesting red might be the way to go or white. Right.

[00:26:40]>> That's awesome.

[00:26:41]>> And so, I think I think it's worth trying all of those. Perhaps have your eyes closed and lift the mask up so it's coming through your closed eyelids.

[00:26:48]>> Yeah. So, what's interesting is cuz usually when you use audio visual entrainment, you do it eyes closed.

[00:26:52]>> You put the glasses on, >> but it it goes through your eyelids. It doesn't matter, right? You know, >> so maybe we've got somebody in the group, Hunter.

[00:26:59]>> Okay.

[00:27:01]>> That wants to experiment with this.

[00:27:02]>> Do you have any other frequency that you found did anything? So the other one that might be of particular interest again because we've seen alpha increase with everybody except Shawn um and the another study just came out recently. My nerd is coming out, right? It's like oh research study or uh but they came out and what they found was that they were using light and sound stimulation at different frequencies and getting people's subjective responses and alpha uh was the one that increased visualization the best.

[00:27:39]>> Um and so uh I thought that was interesting because I wouldn't have predicted that necessarily uh but that's what they found. So alpha might be an interesting one as well. Both because that's what we keep seeing and because of that research.

[00:27:52]>> What frequency is that?

[00:27:53]>> 10 hertz or around 10.

[00:27:57]>> So if anybody's coming to London May 2nd at 10, we could maybe have some stuff ready and experiment. We experiment in every single training. So >> we can work with that a little bit too.

[00:28:07]>> Okay. Uh >> go ahead.

[00:28:10]>> So I have brain tuners and these basically do binaural beats and I have gamma. wants to play.

[00:28:18]>> Yeah, do it. Jackie Lane, [laughter] >> I I think I can put that together. I've got a frequency generator and a uh >> and an amplifier, so I think I can create this.

[00:28:29]>> Um, so I I may try to do that and see.

[00:28:32]>> Yeah, do it.

[00:28:34]>> Yeah, >> I've tried it a couple of times with myself with different protocols. I I did an EMDR based protocol, right?

[00:28:40]>> So, the lights are shifting right to left visual fields.

[00:28:46]I tried that one. Seemed to help a little bit. So, what I did was I ran that for 15 minutes and then I did my mindset practice. So, it was subjective, right? Because I was like, does it seem easier today than it does normally or whatever. I've done three sessions. One was the EMDR one. Not sure that did much. I did a gamma one that definitely seemed like it did something.

[00:29:07]>> Gamma seemed like I was like, "Oh, this feels way easier than normal." Right?

[00:29:11]And I can't now I can't even remember what the other one was. It wasn't alpha.

[00:29:14]Might have been theta or something. It might have been theta. I can't remember what it was. But that one also was like h maybe.

[00:29:22]>> So the only one that really felt for sure for me, I'm only talking for myself, was the gamma.

[00:29:27]>> Trish, you had your hand up forever.

[00:29:28]>> Yeah. I just I'm very tenacious. Um, with your window, can you describe what you're are you open? What are you seeing when you use your window to practice mindset?

[00:29:40]>> Uh, yeah. I mean, I've got kind of two of them primarily right and left.

[00:29:45]>> Okay.

[00:29:45]>> They're kind of over here.

[00:29:47]>> The right one's usually bigger.

[00:29:49]>> Um, and they're pretty they're pretty clear. I mean, right now I'm working on kind of extending it down both of them.

[00:29:56]>> Uh, I need it too centered.

[00:29:58]>> Yeah, I moved [laughter] it because of my bean being blind here. Like you said, everyone's usually right side. When I opened, I opened over here.

[00:30:06]>> Yeah.

[00:30:06]>> And I didn't like that.

[00:30:08]>> Right.

[00:30:08]>> So, I pushed it. I took a piece of paper and pushed it and then I kept doing that like for months.

[00:30:14]>> Yeah.

[00:30:14]>> Till it finally came over here.

[00:30:16]>> Yeah. And that's what I've been slowly starting to do cuz sometimes my left one will open up way over here >> and it's super difficult. Right. It's like I'm like, "Oh my god." Like >> So are you are you um if if with either of those windows and colors are presented to you and shapes, are you like like this with them yet?

[00:30:34]>> Yeah. I haven't been practicing very much lately, but um yeah, I was doing like decks of cards, >> you know, just like flying through them, right? Like ace of spades, you know, four of clubs, whatever. So, and I sometimes I could read some stuff, so if it was larger print and books and things like that.

[00:30:50]>> Awesome.

[00:30:50]>> So, I was getting I was getting pretty decent.

[00:30:53]>> It just helps me um I guess in my brain because when you talk about your practice and where your your brain waves were, now I can associate that with what you're actually seeing and experiencing, what colors and shap So, thank you.

[00:31:04]>> Yeah.

[00:31:06]>> Oh, yes.

[00:31:07]>> Have you had any subject whose window is not on the front of the face?

[00:31:12]>> Um, >> good question.

[00:31:14]>> Great question. No. And what's interesting is uh because I had Dalia uh you know I did Dalia >> and she can usually see behind >> her uh but when I did it it was at one of her training events >> and it was like the fourth day or something and she had a little migraine coming on and you know and so we tried it but it was like not very she was struggling a little bit with [clears throat] behind her. Um so we we didn't really count that data because it was it was super inconsistent. So besides Dalia, I don't think I have had anybody, which would be super cool.

[00:31:50]>> I can do my head.

[00:31:52]>> Could try headlights. [laughter] >> I did. I want to map the person who was seeing through their through their butt.

[00:31:58]Who was that?

[00:31:59]>> Yeah, do that one. [laughter] >> Why didn't we do that yesterday?

[00:32:06]>> Well, >> yeah.

[00:32:07]>> The girls disclosed to us last night that they can see through every body part. And I mean everybody.

[00:32:13]>> Let's just leave it right there.

[00:32:16]>> Including the coochie.

[00:32:17]>> Well, I [laughter] didn't want to say that word. Okay, >> just go right there.

[00:32:21]>> We're going to have to edit the video now. [laughter] >> Literally, two of us were sitting in the laundry room.

[00:32:27]>> The clothes stayed on, by the way.

[00:32:29]>> Yeah, I I was going to I was going to say like, how do you figure that out?

[00:32:32]Never mind. I don't know.

[00:32:33]>> Too much information.

[00:32:35]>> Okay, guys. So, here's the thing. Uh I've invited Jeff to come to London and he doesn't know for sure. He's got to check and see confirm >> and so there there'll be more research done and we will also try to get you know maybe somebody in this group will put together some of this stuff that Jeff's talking about with the frequencies and so on and we'll do more research. The whole idea is to move forward the whole time.

[00:32:59]>> Yep.

[00:33:00]>> Cool.

[00:33:00]>> Okay.

[00:33:01]>> Okay. Thank you.

[00:33:02]>> Thank you, Jeff. [applause]