When Did Cruise Passengers Stop Having Fun?

Hinzugefügt: 2026-05-30

[00:00:00]And it's a win, never to lose. When we talk about vacation though, it's always a cruise. It's Tommy with a TN weekly and we lighting the fuse.

[00:00:14]>> So Tommy, uh, there's another instance out there of somebody wanting a carnival comedian fired over the material that they're doing at the adult comedy show.

[00:00:27]Now, the way I heard about this was on John He's Facebook page, and uh I've said it before, uh all love and proper respect to John He and the folks over there at Carnival, but I think they recycle some of these stories so that they can, you know, uh you know, form the the the minds of those that followed that page. Like, you know, yeah, he's an influencer, right? And so one of the things he would like to influence with this comedian story is that if you're going to be offended, don't go to the 18 plus comedy show. I mean, the end result is they're not going to fire anybody.

[00:00:59]But it's been an interesting week for comedy. And of course, it extends on cruise ships and outside of cruise ships. I know both you and I have watched at least some of the clips of the Kevin Hart roast. And uh I I got a huge pallet for comedy. I I'm very excited. I'm going on a Carnival cruise ship in a few days and I'm looking forward to the comedy, but uh I I don't know if I can I I don't know if I got the pallet for ro I think roast have changed since we were kids. You remember did you ever watch like those Dean Martin roast when we were kids?

[00:01:27]>> Yes. I Well, I didn't I've only seen the infomercial. You know, if they have you seen that in the middle of the night, they run the infomercial. And I can't imagine how much more of the the dang roast exists beyond the infomercial because I feel like I've watched endless hours of infomercial uh material based on those roasts. Very, very entertaining. And of course, the roast, I don't know when the modern day roasts started happening. If you look back at the Comedy Central, they were the ones who originated the new version of the roasts and uh yeah, that's when it got to be like, okay, all bets are off or nothing's, you know, out of bounds, per se. Um but I think even back then it was a situation where it was all love in the room as absolutely out of control as it got. People still still seem to be roasting with affection. And uh you just alluded to the Kevin Hart roast and there's a lot of people are talking about that roast right now and I'm not necessarily offended by the comedy. I'm okay with it like you. I have a you know wide pallet for comedy and you know I do understand you know the way they live their lives. People just they they they live in a different world. They're not civilians like us. Most things are not off limits when they're roasting each other. Here's the one variable right now that I see is that all those roasts in the past seem to be done with love. They shake hands. They go back to their corners afterwards. They hug. They're having a drink. They have But in this crazy political social media world, they're still going at it just as hard and hot and fast and furious, but there's no love lost there. is that they're getting they they're having I guess public bickering sessions through different platforms after the roast.

[00:03:13]These people never liked each other. I mean, I'm talking about like the Chelsea Handler versus the Tony Hing Hingcliffe uh section. They're not This is not about love. And I think that's a little bit lost when it comes to the roasts.

[00:03:26]But yeah, I don't know if you want to bring this back to the John Heels thing, but what's your thoughts on that? Yeah, I mean that that was the interesting thing like I think overall like the you know the the broad idea of uh of comedy in the modern age and then certainly comedy on cruise ships. I think the roast really kind of shined a light on the fact that there is a big divide uh you know of course so many things in culture and things in society right now are pointing to the fact that there's a big divide in our uh you know society and a lot of it's a a big political divide but I think this roast was kind of wild. So, you know, Kevin Hart, it's a live event that's on Netflix that he's hosting. And I'm assuming that all the people that are there uh have some sort of at least semi-positive connection to Kevin Hart, except maybe Cat Williams, but I I think, you know, for the most part, they're all Kevin Hart fans, but it seems like the lineup on that Deis uh seemed like almost opposing teams, right? like you had a bunch of kind of uh you know Austin comics uh kind of more bro comedy and then you had some more like I would say liberal type comics and so it made for a really weird uh roasting session because like I said nothing was really off the table and it seemed like both of those sides went each other at the kind of the lowest common denominator whether it was racism or sexuality or it it again I I've got a broad pallet for comedy but I I struggled to watch that roast and you know, and I I believe that people should be funny. Now, the man himself, Kevin Hart, who put on the whole production, he's he's been very uh outspoken about the fact that he feels like the roasted was exactly what it was supposed to be.

[00:05:03]Yeah. The the the you know, white guys made racial comments about him and then people got into it with each other over dead husbands and parents and all kinds of stuff like that. And he felt like that it was exactly what it was supposed to be. And and maybe that is the that is the message, right? I can't remember what comedy icon said one time that you know uh that the comedians are are really the people that are are supposed to process society and point out things that are uncomfortable and point out things that uh potentially need to change. And you know if you all of a sudden if you muzzle the comedian that you've really you know maybe like the modern day philosopher if you muzzle the comedian then you really have lost a conduit to having a good idea what's going on in society. uh you know and it's a interesting free speech thing too like you know how free is speech is there a line is there anything off limits but uh certainly when it comes to cruise ship comedy I think the line is pretty clear uh you know if you go to a show that's labeled familyfriendly then that show is friendly for your family if you go to a show that says it's 18 plus and in the first five minutes before the show starts where they say look if you're offended by comedy that's runchy or offended by comedy that's way out of bounds, this might not be the place for you. If you continue to sit there and get offended, I think it's a ridiculous proposition to write a letter saying, "Oh, please fire this comedian."

[00:06:28]100% agree with you 100%. Now, his I'm not defending the people who kind of write these letters and stuff like that.

[00:06:36]I think maybe sometimes I think maybe the crowd work maybe gets part of it because again, not everybody's signed up to be roasted. Getting back to the actual roast that we were talking about before, you know, a lot of these comedians have a mutual understanding, you know, uh what was the woman who they kept making fun of her husband committing, you know, who passing away?

[00:06:56]>> Cheryl Underwood.

[00:06:58]>> Cheryl Underwood. And that was all planned out. That was all conversations that were had on back channels. She spent time on the phone with Shane Gillis the night before. She talked to him on the air on different platforms after that. They were all kind of going back and forth. Um, the argument that you could say may have been overly out of balance was the George Floyd thing or the Charlie Kirk thing. That is when a lot of people I think probably like yourself probably did get a little uncomfortable. I agree. I don't like that. My um when it's too far for me, the the humor too far, which I said I have a wide pallet. The 9/11 jokes, I do not like 9/11 jokes whatsoever. But at the same time, what I do is, and I think Kevin Hart did this on the Breakfast Clubs and other platforms like that, and say I didn't agree with it either, is what he said. I wouldn't tell those types of jokes either. But I think in this society of everybody's right or this is what I think and it's right and this is what you think and you're wrong.

[00:07:57]Um, the list of values A versus B is is probably the most important part. But then also how high you prioritize those values. And I think that's what Kevin Hart was getting at. I wouldn't have made those jokes. Those jokes aren't going to sound good coming from my brand. But I'm also not mad that they were made. So, you know, two things are correct at the same time. But getting back to Carnival and John Heield, it's just amazing to me how the lengths that they go through. I almost get a little annoyed or impatient when I'm trying to watch a comedy show, but I got to sit through a 12-minute disclaimer about how if you've ever been offended by anything, if the word offended ever leaves your mouth or is entered into your voca vocabulary, you this may not be the show for you. So, over and over again, they tell you if you were going to be offended by anything, please leave. But people stay and they complain and then we lose out. So yeah, it's a little it's a little disappointing. It's an interesting thing like you know I think the other thing that Kevin Hart said in that interview is that uh we know what a roast is and we know that it will probably be offensive and uh that's the interesting thing like if we know something is going to be offensive should it be allowed to stand and you know my my uh point my my idea would be yeah you know if you know it's going to be offense there's just going to be things that are out there that are offensive and then of course you know there's deeper for sociological, you know, episodes like, you know, are these jokes that are racist or are these jokes that are anti-Christian or something like are these jokes, do they really reflect, you know, how somebody feels in their heart? Is, you know, is this was this just some way for, you know, people that were racist to be able to be racist? And I think that's a fair conversation and a fair debate. I I don't know the answers to those questions. But yeah, I again I think at the end of the day when it comes to cruising, um if something's clearly labeled that this may not be for you, then don't try to make it for you. I mean, you know, it would almost be like, you know, I I don't know, like, you know, going to a wine tasting and you don't drink alcohol and then being mad because you're like, I went to this wine tasting and all they did was serve alcohol and I don't drink alcohol and I knew all they were going to do was serve alcohol, but I this ain't right. You know, it it seems nonsensical like that to me, like, oh, I went to the comedy show and I, you know, I I don't like curse words. I went to the adult comedy show, I don't like curse words, and they were cursing up a storm, you know, it's uh it just seems weird to me. Yeah.

[00:10:33]Yeah. Exactly. And it it's the same way if you want to extrapolate that out to the Quest, again, the same thing with the Quest, how they do not do it anymore. And it was said very very clearly in with Dion who was the cruise director on the last cruise that I was on for Carnival. Uh said she was asked where what happened to the Quest and he didn't say well you know maybe it's coming. He said too many guests complained and they stopped doing it which he didn't he didn't mince words about it and to me that's insane because just like the roast I mean say what you want about the roast Kevin Hart or anybody look at the numbers people are watching and enjoying these things.

[00:11:11]Going back to the roast, last thing on the roast, what they used to do with these roasts is they used to be behind closed doors. These friers club roast used to be inside closed doors and they used to do it to each other. And it's a fraternity. They say ridiculous things to each other on a level that, you know, regular, as I use the term, civilians don't necessarily understand. And that's why you look on the stage and you see everybody laughing for the most part and they're like, why are you laughing at that? you hear what he just said about your culture or your society. It's a different thing. It's not, you know, maybe we're many of us aren't supposed to understand it, but for the Quest, it's like they say it over and over again. You know, it's one of the highlights of any cruise line. They all have different names. Adult scavenger hunt, quest, whatever you want to call it. It's one of the highlights of a lot of these cruises. I mean, I tell people, you can't miss the quest. I think it's a little I I I'm I'm disappointed in the fact that they fold over that. I know I see how many hundreds of people are in those venues enjoying themselves. You're not going to tell me more than five people per or even if it's 10 10 people per versus the 250 that are enjoy enjoying it. They should just eat those complaints. That's my opinion.

[00:12:30]>> Yeah. I mean, I've seen some wild stuff happen at the Quest before, but it was funny. I was uh making a video this week and I was pulling some B-roll and I just wanted to it was actually the story about the the guy that burned his feet on the pool deck. So, I was looking for pool deck. I was specifically looking for carnival pool deck footage from my camera roll and uh I found a clip of the uh the hairy chessman contest or whatever that thing was called that they don't do anymore. And that was such a good time. I mean, again, it was a little you know, it was a little uh sexual forward. you know, you got these uh you know, bare-chested men gyrating on women and but everybody was having a good time. But, you know, it does seem like it's it's a weird thing honestly right now with Carnival because, you know, they they've gone to some of these adults onlyly cruises, but then they've also at the same time sanitized some of their more adult forward type activities like the quest and the hairy man contest, that kind of thing. And maybe the times are changing, right? Like maybe it's just different times. The wild thing like when you talk about uh people are more free to say things when they're not being filmed or when they're behind closed doors. It does make you wonder and of course this is, you know, deeper than what we can figure out, but you you wonder if people really have changed or if people really have just learned to not say stuff and and that's a that's a wild thing. Like if you're if you're really looking for a society to grow and have different attitudes toward things, but you know, is the is the society just a society that won't say the things that they're thinking now?

[00:13:56]And and maybe maybe that is the point that some people were making like that these folks were always thinking these mean things that they say to each other, but you know, this was the the venue that they could say it in. I I don't know. I mean, I I really I really don't know. I'd like to think that, you know, we grow as people and, you know, the reason that we don't say certain things is because we've evolved, but you know, do we just not say things because there's consequences for saying things?

[00:14:18]I don't know.

[00:14:19]>> Yeah. Yeah. No. And whether it's a roast, whether it's a comedy show, whether it's a a a quest, there'll always be things that go too far for me.

[00:14:31]>> I'm telling you, everybody, they go too far for me. I'm not, oh, that was a little past what I enjoy, >> but like, okay, what do you got next?

[00:14:40]What's the next joke? I'm not going to have an outrage over it. I'm not going to, you know, it just is what it is. But I think, you know, that's what it is.

[00:14:47]It's the thing itself, but then it's where you prioritize it on your list of outrage. Is it this thing where I will never go on another Carnival cruise again or will I kind of like say, "Oh, that didn't sound right. I didn't enjoy that. Hopefully, I like the next one."

[00:15:00]Can we do that? I mean, I don't know.

[00:15:03]>> It is kind of funny. I mean, you know, we're sitting here doing a podcast and our big goal is for people to listen to us. So, you could say that uh we we would like to be heard. like we we want to entertain people and we want to talk about cruising and uh I think we would do it if nobody listened, but we certainly like it better when people listen, right? There's a lot of satisfaction that goes along with that.

[00:15:22]And I don't think we're unique in that.

[00:15:24]So I also think that some of these people that are complaining want to be heard, right? That like this might be their podcast, right? My complaint to John Hill might be my podcast. Uh you know, somebody's going to listen to me and my disdain and and coddle me and either either some people may love to be smacked down. Oh, John told me uh you know that sorry no no no no uh no soup for you or or you will get coddled and maybe somebody will care. But you know it's so weird. We we're more connected than we ever were. But I feel like we're also more isolated in in the technology, right? We sit behind a computer in an empty room somewhere without that human connection. And I I think I think a lot of like you know both you and I get all kinds of comments and sometimes we get crazy comments. And when I think about when I think about those people that are lashing out, it's like a I wonder if that's just like a lonely person wanting some sort of human interaction or something like that, you know. But it's crazy. It's We've had some wild stories this week. Uh we touched on it a little bit. We've got a guy that's suing Carnival because he burned his feet on the pool deck. And uh this this case I I think made it to court this week or was filed this week. And essentially what he was saying is that he was on a Carnival cruise ship uh in the Caribbean in the summer and uh he got out of the pool or was making his way to the pool. He walked 20 steps from the pool to his lounger and uh by the time that he got to his lounger, he had secondderee burns on his feet and he ended up permanently disfigured and in pain. And now he would like Carnival to pay him $5 million for that whole endeavor. And uh I talked about it on my show a little bit. The comments were I I would say it's I was going to say the comments were mixed.

[00:17:06]They're not. I think the majority of people are like, "Duh, man. The pool deck is hot. Uh you know, Carnival doesn't owe him anything." But do you think we're in like some sort of season of frivolous lawsuits or is there any path in your mind where you think this guy could have a valid claim?

[00:17:23]>> Yeah, you said it on your show.

[00:17:24]Carnival's legal team must be working overtime. It's crazy. All the busy people that are coming in.

[00:17:30]>> Yeah. Right. But you know my my thing on it is this. You you talked me off the ledge a little bit because I do have a show also always be both cruise podcast and on that show I flamed this guy. I went off I kind of went on a little bit of a tirade and I still feel mostly the same. You know I am not happy that anybody burned their feet. Um I called may or may not have called them footsies on my show. Um but I I I I am not happy that he that he's injured. I don't want that to happen whatsoever. But again, like we're talking about feelings with comedy lawsuits, man. Like what where does it stop? Like there's accountability. There's there's things that happen to you and us in this life where we shouldn't automatically be able to run around, find somebody with a lot of money, blame them, and collect that money. You know what I mean? You work very hard for a living. I work very hard for a living. We're not those types of people. And yeah, you know, some guy come go he he burned his feet like what do you do also cuz what I would like to know what would he have had Carnival do to help this? Are you telling me that a big giant sign saying the pool deck was hot would have saved your feet? Is that what it is? Is that what it would have done it? How many of those signs would have had to exist? How big would they have to be? Um why are you getting money for this? It's it it's I don't I feel bad. Now, I found out I did some research. This isn't the first person to do this. This isn't the first person to sue people. My question is two twofold, Tony. I'd like to know your thoughts on this. A, when you're walking around anywhere and you burn your feet on the hot surface, is the owner of that hot surface always to blame and subject to a lawsuit? And um B, what would happen if you laid on the pool deck and you got a a really bad sunburn that caused some damage as well?

[00:19:34]What should should Carnival hang a sign saying, "Hey, the sun is hot. Be careful." What What What are they supposed to do here?

[00:19:41]>> Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, and the more I thought about it, I mean, I tried to do I tried to make the case like, you know, maybe uh maybe the materials, you know, get hotter than they should, but at the end of the day, I I'm kind of fighting with myself because the sun's hot, right? And as soon as you step out of the pool and you start to you start to feel the burn, >> then you got to make an adjustment. like I you know I don't I don't think any of us you know and then people go to way extremes like maybe the guy's got some sort of condition that he can't feel the bottom of his feet and well I'm like well if he couldn't feel the bottom of his feet getting burnt then how's he feeling future pain or something like that but yeah I mean I I think some of this stuff is frivolous right I think that the problem I I do believe it is a problem the fact that there's a lot of lawyers out there and that it is easy to file a lawsuit and there are companies that are posting every quarter that we're making billions of dollars and So, you know, any, you know, even at the simplest level, if anything goes wrong on a cruise, somebody's asking for something for free at guest services.

[00:20:41]So, there is a a whole there is a whole contingent of society that's looking for uh it takes very little of an offense before somebody's looking for something, right? And we see that in the cruise space all the time. You know, I'm sure the comedy lady wanted some OBC or something for being offended, but uh yeah, I mean, I think this is going to be a tough case. Like, I I really don't know what the You know, if I was the defense attorney, I'd be like, "Yeah, the the sun's hot, therefore the the the the ground around the pool is hot." And yeah, you you know, I would it would be funny if somebody sued for a sunburn.

[00:21:18]Like, oh, nobody told me if I was out in the sun, you know, dang you, Carnival, for having a deck chair. Now, now I got a sunburn. This one I I I I really think it's going to get thrown out. I'm interested to follow along with it. But I can't imagine them not being able to make a case. You know, the only thing they could have done is just posted a sign, right? But, you know, again, to your point, like, is that going to prevent somebody, you know, from doing it? The other contention that somebody was saying was, uh, you know, a lot of people are saying, well, you should wear, you know, flip flops or you should wear water shoes. But then I don't think all of those things are allowed in the pool. So, some people are saying, "Oh, you know, because of that, you know, obviously you have, but I mean, I've stepped on a hot surface before and then immediately quit walking on it because it was hot." Like, I you know, I I I recognize that the sun makes things hot and uh I I think this person is going to struggle with this lawsuit.

[00:22:11]>> That's a great point, Tony. if you step on what's the time it takes from when you step on the hot service to where you have to have um skin grafts done because of secondderee burns. Like is it really setting? Well, it's really getting hotter. Oh, really? I don't know. Maybe I should move. Well, if this gets too much hotter, I'm going to have to get I mean, come on. What are we doing here?

[00:22:32]If I'm going to sue Carnival for anything, and I know somebody I don't know how I'm sure it's in the minority, but I know somebody's going to agree with me on this. who's been carrying a towel or a tray of food or anything and gotten blasted by that door on the way into the U.

[00:22:46]>> I've gotten blasted by that door to the point where >> kind of jarring a little bit.

[00:22:52]>> Um, >> you know that maybe maybe that I would see, but I I just don't and I don't I disagree with you a little bit because I think they're going to get something. I think this guy and I think he knows the society he's in. He's going to have a lawyer who jumped all over this thing. I don't know if it's our buddy who's the uh you know >> I don't think I I I saw him the other day Spencer Arinfeld he he was talking about a case he's like not my case like he was talking about he I don't know if it was this one or not but he was talking about one of the lawsuits he's like but not my case >> yeah they're going to squeeze something out of Carnival I think they're going to some sort of uh you know go away money or whatever which I think it's crazy too because that was one of the things I also said is that if you're going to give any money to this which is on to me on the PR side Carnival is on the right on this one. This is out of control and crazy. Now, what you want to say, maybe Carnival, you know, when it comes to drinking and over serving, that's a little bit more of a slippery slope, a little tricky. Carnival should have made that one go away. And you're talking about, we may or may not talk about the whole uh lawsuit that's going on with $400 million.

[00:23:56]I mean, you lost a $300 lawsuit to this woman and you're going to get all Now you got to send out letters to people be that they're going to be cut off from drinking. Now you got to take all these precautions. It's going to change your cruise, my cruise. Everybody's cruise is going to be changed by this woman. All you have to give her was a couple hundred,000, which is literally pennies to you. Um >> I don't know. I don't know. We'll see.

[00:24:19]>> Well, let's talk about that. So, I did run across that letter that's gone viral on uh on all over the internet. this really slick letter that says you're getting cut off. Now, uh the folks over there at the Cruise News Today, Cruise Radio, they reached out to Carnival and Carnival said that that letter is a fake, that that's probably AI generated.

[00:24:38]>> So, the interesting thing is like, and this is something that we can talk about because I'm sure I don't know if you know, we've been around enough people on cruise ships. I know people that have gotten cut off and it's never really been by a letter. It's been by a security officer basically saying, "Look, I I know people that got so tore up one day, they weren't allowed to leave their cabin the next day and uh they had the drink package and everything." So, yeah, apparently that letter is fake. But I I do feel like people are seizing on that idea of okay, now Carnival's paid out the $300 million or the $300,000 to this lady that, you know, the wild thing about that case.

[00:25:12]And again, you know, the the judge found that she was over served and that Carnival at some point should have stopped that. That that was settled, right? Yeah. And they they should have stopped her from drinking. Uh and that was Spencer Arinfeld's case.

[00:25:24]>> Wasn't even settled, right? They won.

[00:25:25]They just won the case. Carnival says they're going to appeal, but >> Yeah. They won $300,000. And you know, the wild thing is she had less drinks than you know what you can get on the drink package. So less than the 15. So, I I could see that being like being an overreaction to that, but uh I don't know. It'll be interesting if I feel like Carnival may cut people off sooner because of that case, but I don't think they're going to do it in a letter form.

[00:25:51]But that that letter almost looked too slick. But could you imagine getting a letter like that? Like, you know, you've had too much to drink. The wild thing is uh drinking is part of cruising, right?

[00:26:00]And then the the thing that's appealing about cruising is that you you know, unless it's a very rare circumstance, they're not going to ask you to drive anything on the cruise ship right now.

[00:26:09]Maybe maybe you'd have to be a lifeboat captain or something like that, but for the most part, you can get you can get pretty drunk and uh it not be a big deal. There are some great Tik Toks of people falling down on their way back to their room. I mean, not that we should laugh at people falling, but it is pretty funny when they're inebriated and slamming into the wall and stuff like that. But for the most part, they'll let you drink as much as possible. But it will be interesting to see if this changes the culture on Carnival where security and bartenders are a little more quick to cut people off. But, you know, that's a bad scenario. So, say you got somebody that's 10 drinks into a drink package and maybe they they don't have a high tolerance, right? So, maybe after 10 drinks, they're pretty hammered and then all of a sudden they they know they got five more drinks, they paid their money, they got five more drinks and all of a sudden somebody's making the determination that they that it's not safe for them to drink anymore. then you got a whole another issue on your hand because somebody's going to be mad that they paid for 15 drinks and they got cut off because those drinks are not inexpensive. So, you know, it's it's almost a no-win situation for Carnival when it comes to drinking because they're going to have trouble when they cut people off and apparently they're going to have trouble if they don't cut people off.

[00:27:15]>> Yeah, they're going to have to change the cruise contract to uh you know, unless they have it. They probably already did. I mean they probably they probably always existed where they say you know if you can be cut off excessive alcohol or whatever and that's probably ironclad because I mean 15 drinks Tony I'm not you know that's a lot like you can't just say at all 15 drinks I I'm under the limit I' I'm only drank 13 drinks so how no because I could tell you right now honestly eight nine drinks are going to wreck me and I'm a seasoned drinker you know the 15 thing is meant to be 15 because it serves a 24-hour period or though, you know what I mean? Like the whole day or something like that. But if if someone's in one sitting 10, you know, 3 lbs and they're not necessarily a big drinker, six drinks is going to level them. You know what I mean? So, >> yeah, >> I I do understand where why they want to. You know what I mean? It's supposed to be like a nudge nudge wink wink. You know what? Have your fun. You're on a cruise ship. You're not driving. Don't do anything dumb and we're going to get through this. But yeah, if people are going to be dumb and start playing around the staircases and stuff like that, I do see why they'll have to do that. But I don't know, then that's going to be a whole another training session that the bartender is going to have to go through. And they do have things like that, tips certified and, you know, being able to prevent and notice when people are uh excessively inebriated. I don't know if that's a protocol at at sea or in the I guess whatever government body whether it's maritime law or flag of convenience law.

[00:28:46]I don't know if that's you know sort of like something that they but they should you know they should kind of make sure the professionals come in and teach them how to recognize somebody who's you know not in control. I'm all for that and you know what it's all for people like me to get around that. You know what I mean? I got to be able to but >> well the the interesting thing you got to think that the the goal of the cruise you know I don't know again who knows what's regulating it uh you know there there probably is some regulation that's international or something like that but I you know I think at the end of the day the cruise line's probably like have as much fun as you want as long as you don't hurt yourself and as long as you don't hurt anybody else and as long as you don't commit a crime and I think if you I think as long as you do those things they don't care and So, I think it's a whole interesting thing that like, okay, well, now I've got to monitor your drinking more closely so that you don't injure yourself, you injure somebody else or commit some sort of crime. So, I mean, I it's weird. I would think tactically that's what the leadership of the cruise lines thinking about. I'm not saying they're not thinking about the well-being of the person, but I think, you know, they want people to have as much fun as they can have. I don't know if I've ever asked you this before. So, let's let's talk about that carnival uh cheers package.

[00:29:59]you you uh buy the Cheers package, you're allowed to get 15 alcoholic drinks a day and you're uh you get unlimited non-alcoholic drinks. The to buy that thing, you agree that uh if you're in a cabin with another person that's of drinking age that they also have to buy it. If so, if both people don't buy it, then you can't get it. And then you also agree in there that you're not going to share those drinks. So, uh, where where you at on, uh, on Carnival specifically, if somebody buys you a drink on their drink package and gives it to you, is that stealing?

[00:30:33]>> Technically, it's it's stealing. Yeah, it it technically it's stealing and it's breaking the law, but again, like I said, prioritization and your level of sensitivity to certain crimes. You know, if it's 70 m hour, going 72 is illegal.

[00:30:47]You know what I mean? So, you know, it's it's that type of thing. Is it is it a is it is it technically stealing? Yes.

[00:30:54]But is it grand lararseny? Of course not. So yeah, you know, there's a lot of ways to do it. You know, if you a carnival is the only thing where they have a little bit of a value attached.

[00:31:03]So there's a demotivating factor or a demotivac demotivating component to where you you don't want to like give away too many of your drinks because you only got 15 of them, right?

[00:31:14]>> Yeah. If you have Royal Caribbean or Norwegian, you know, you could you what you could do is you could basically if you're going on a double couple cruise, >> you buy one drink package and everybody share it. You know what I mean? like so.

[00:31:26]So, it's uh it's it's it's there's ways around it and stuff like that, but you know, >> the wild thing for me like Carnival out of Carnival and any of any of the cruise lines that actually say you get X amount of drinks for a certain amount of money, I feel like you I honestly feel like you should be able to give those alcoholic drinks away because you're only going to get 15. So, if you consume the 15, I do believe it's stealing because, you know, the way they write the rules and stuff like that, they don't want you to share the drink package. But all of the drink packages that should be sharable, I think the Carnival one should be sharable because you know I obviously you shouldn't I think you know they don't say share it because you know then somebody's getting 18 sodas and giving it to their friends and stuff like that the unlimited stuff. But I think anything that has a finite number on it like 15 then you know that you should be able to give that away because I'm whether I drink it or whether somebody else drinks it. I paid for 15 drinks.

[00:32:16]But uh you do run into problems when you're on like an unlimited thing because then you know I think they should crack down on the unlimited thing. I don't know. You know, it's uh you know what we haven't seen much lately on social media because I think people realize that as they self snitch they get banned from cruise lines. There hasn't been a lot of alcohol sneaking videos lately. I miss a good old alcohol sneaking video.

[00:32:36]>> Yeah.

[00:32:37]>> Okay. Can I this is this is almost a side note, but I watched a Tik Tok today and it was a girl online who was beside herself as she started the video and she said, "Can you believe this? I am banned from Carnival Cruise Line." This girl was like probably look early 20s and she's like, "I am banned from Carnival Cruise Line." And then she read the letter and the letter to paraphrase was something about due to the fact that you know your behavior on board and due to certain things involving alcohol and social media activity pre and post cruise you are no longer allowed to sail Carnival Cruise Line. She read the letter and then her voice was as elevating as she was reading the letter and then she went into some performative absolutely obnoxiously borderline violent kind of rant >> to where I was like >> this the best decision Carnival ever made. You better snitching. You just basically showed the world why Carnival was absolutely right in not, you know, wanting to invite you back on their cruise line. But yeah, that's tough.

[00:33:44]You're in your early 20s. You're just getting going. You have this great time on this cruise and you go a little too far. Boom. One and done. You are banned.

[00:33:52]Never to never to sail Carnival again.

[00:33:55]It's such a It's such a weird world that we live in, man. Because Carnival has to have employed people.

[00:34:02]Somebody's getting a paycheck. My assumption, somebody's getting a paycheck to watch Tik Toks and to watch reals and to watch YouTube videos.

[00:34:12]Somebody's getting a paycheck to identify people that are doing wrong things on Carnival cruise ships. That's just a wild thing to me, you know, like the Orwell 1984 Big Brothers Watching You. Well, the component that was miss, you know, from that book is the the ability for people to publish their activities to where it's easy to watch you. And so, uh, you know, it's not even that intrusive for Carnival to watch you because people are out there putting their business everywhere like, you know, oh, look, uh, you know, I bought these, uh, you know, fake, uh, you know, shampoo bottles and, uh, you know, I'm on, uh, Carnival Conquest in cabin 4213 on June the 13th with my fake liquor and then a week later like, I got banned. I don't know what happened. It's like, well, why why are you on the internet with that? You know, why are you on the internet? And I would tell you that like you know you of course if I was the type of person there are people out there looking it's not unlike law enforcement that are just trolling social media looking for people who are criminals.

[00:35:09]This is like people who are doing this and they are looking for people who are per perpetrating crimes or nefarious behavior on cruise ships. If I was the boss of that person at least some of their salary would be contingent on how many they found. Yeah.

[00:35:24]>> So, you got to think they're doing it.

[00:35:26]They're doing it aggressively. They're going >> on the bonus program.

[00:35:29]>> Yeah. Exactly. A little bit of a bonus program and they call the boss at the end of the day. Yeah. I got 12 today.

[00:35:34]Yo. Oh, Jessica got 12 today. She's our best. And you know, maybe there's three or four people. Maybe there's a bonus for the most co the most people banned.

[00:35:43]You know, I don't know. It's um >> I I go against you.

[00:35:49]>> You know, it's a cruise line. You want to make money.

[00:35:51]>> Yeah. We we obviously and the wild and that is the wild thing. Think about all the operational costs for the cruise line. So, you know, our cruise price is impacted by the operational cost of our cruise prices, you know, operational costs make those go up and down. So, we're essentially paying for people to uh police the internet and catch people that are self snitching, which is wild.

[00:36:11]I was just thinking, I was I was having a moment like could you imagine if like Richard uh Grio and Johnny Depp applied for that job and they're like, "No, it's not that kind of sting operation. We don't need you to go into a high school.

[00:36:21]Back off Jump Street. It's all good. We We got just some nerd sitting behind a computer screen over here trying to catch people. But >> yeah, it's uh man, it's crazy stuff. You know, all I don't know if all of this can go under entitled passenger, that kind of thing, but the the other story that kind of got me laughing this week was uh the the glacier protest. Did you hear about the glacier protest?

[00:36:44]>> Yeah.

[00:36:45]>> Yeah. What was it like Ovation of the Seas or something like that? There was some Royal Caribbean ship in Alaska and uh they couldn't dock in Seward, Alaska, and they had to go to Whittier instead.

[00:36:59]And I guess the trip to Whittier was further than going to Seward. And because of that, they had to drop their glacial cruising day, which is a big part of an Alaska cruise. I don't want to minimize that. One of the coolest things about going to Alaska is that one day where you get out on the decks of the cruise ship or you get out on your balcony, you listen to some park ranger give a speech over the intercom and you look at glaciers. It's really a big deal. It's part of the bucket list. But apparently because of the, you know, it was really Seward's fault. They didn't have their pier ready, so they had to redirect that ship. But uh Royal had to skip the Hubard Glacier and uh I the people lost their minds. They they formed a mob and went and protested down at guest services.

[00:37:40]Yeah, speaking of protest, to round out the drinking thing, can we save it? I know there's going to be a comment. The first person, if anybody, I mean anybody, needs more than 15 drinks to enjoy themselves on a cruise, they have a serious problem. I I just said it for you. Let's not do it. We don't need it.

[00:37:56]It's >> preemptively.

[00:37:58]>> Yes, please.

[00:37:58]>> Nobody needs to drink that much, Tommy.

[00:38:00]>> Yeah. And I'm not saying you're wrong for you. I'm not saying you're right or wrong. It's just the comments out there.

[00:38:05]We we we you're heard. You are heard. I I'm speaking for you right now. We're good. And and as far as the glacia, I agree with you as far as you know, while these people while I'm in the in in the in the I guess the realm of pissing people off. That's why I don't cruise to Alaska. You know what I mean? That's why I'm not going to go on a cruise that doesn't involve green water and palm trees. And I know I'm wrong. And I believe you people like you, Tony, who say to me, "You're out of your mind, Tommy, because once you cruise Alaska, it's going to be lifechanging. It's like breathing air for the first time. It's like nothing you've ever seen. just the pure majest majesty of it. I believe all of you, but I'm not there yet. I haven't done it. So, forgive me. And but considering these people and how passionate they are, and like you just said, I know there's always that uh fjords sale Cday type thing with the with the the park ranger thing. I understand how big of a part of an Alaskan cruise that is, but to mob up in the in the atrium with a bunch of people and kind of just I mean, what do you think that's going to get you? We want Hubard. We first of all, come up with a better slogan. You come up, you get a little more creative, whether it's signs, whether this, whether we get it stinks. Cruising, we've always said, is fluid. Things happen on cruises. It's a fluid type of vacation. And you weren't able to do it. We couldn't go to Hubard.

[00:39:32]I want to know what the mob and the chants and the the marches in the atrium. What you think they're going to do for you?

[00:39:41]>> Yeah. It makes me worried like I wonder if they're going to have to put like uh you know they have air rangers on uh you know or air what air marshals on planes now so you can't storm the cockpit you know I wonder if the mob all of a sudden they leave guest services and they're up on the bridge like we're going to turn this ship into the glacier you know we're go is DAW around the corner somebody got a map that they could pull up it reminds me of the great snow cone protest of 1976 it was just in my neighborhood I remember the ice cream truck came by and all of a sudden they didn't have snow cones so we all kind of rallied. We're kind of rocking the truck and that's when we all learn to eat screw balls, which is essentially orange sherbet with bubble gum at the bottom of it. But, you know, people get upset over ice, man. They get upset over ice and uh I get it. But again, you know, >> Calypso, you just Tony, you just put me into a a a fantasy back in the day. Those calyp the Calypso pops. Oh my gosh.

[00:40:34]>> What What's a Calypso pop?

[00:40:37]>> It's like a long uh pop. You pull the foil off and then you squeeze it at the bottom and it just kind of pops up.

[00:40:42]Lemon, orange, and the top had that like glazed over sugar almost like the the Marino's Italian ice. Oh my gosh.

[00:40:50]Calypso Pop. Who remembers them? They're delicious.

[00:40:52]>> Man, the ice cream truck was the best time. When I was uh when I was a kid, we lived in rural southwest Virginia and the ice cream truck there was so the population was so sparse and it was so rural that the ice cream truck covered three or four counties. And the lady that was driving the ice cream truck was 19 years old, just a 19-year-old young lady. I had to be 11 or 12. And I just remember one day I asked her, I was very uh entrepreneurial. I said, "Hey man, can I drive that ice cream truck with you or can I ride around the truck and sell ice cream?" And she's 19 and I'm like 12. And uh she I don't know. Let's ask your mom. And she went and asked my mom. She's like, "Yeah." So I would drive multicount. This is where I learned to make change and I got paid in ice cream. But uh this was one of my first jobs. I have such a I I do love the ice cream.

[00:41:37]>> This is a show.

[00:41:38]>> Yeah, I it it was amazing. I think my favorite ice cream from the ice cream truck now is a fudge bomb pop. You know, the red, white, and blue bomb pop. They make a fudge version with fudge and banana. But yeah, you know, uh after after they were out of snow, >> I'm just sneaking one more in. Buffalo Bill. That's it. I'm done. Sorry.

[00:41:55]>> Buffalo Bill. But you know, again, I don't know how the cruise lines make it clear to people. We We see this every time. Oh, I didn't get to go here because it was in the path of a hurricane, you dirty mofos. Like, why are you not taking me in the in the path of a hurricane? Uh, you know, okay, obviously maybe not a safety issue because of Seward and and maybe a time issue that now you have to go somewhere else or you're not going to be able to get off the cruise ship on time. But, uh, yeah, I don't know. They were all compensated.

[00:42:27]They were given money. But I just I just I just picture like all these kind of uh semi-retirees all, you know, posted up with placards. People made like could you imagine spending time on your cruise making a protest sign about the Hubard Glacier?

[00:42:43]>> I want to talk to one of these people like what how much free time do they have like that? Like you know, hey, what do you want to do? You want to go to trivia or you want to go hit, you know, get a second breakfast? No. No. I need the I need a freaking marker and some car. You got cardboard in here? We got to make a sign because there's a big protest at 11 down at the guest services.

[00:43:02]>> We're moving. We're moving.

[00:43:03]>> We're moving. And then of course, uh I feel like they should train all those guest services with the stuff we talked about last week. I'll throw it back to the sovereign citizen. That That's what I want to see. I want to see a guest service person uh pop out and go, we we don't answer questions. What's the deal?

[00:43:16]What's the deal with Hubard Glacier? No.

[00:43:17]No. We we don't we don't answer questions. We don't answer questions at all here. I guess in 20 2008 it was a much less politically correct society and I was researching my first ever cruise in 2011.

[00:43:32]So I was know I was going on this cruise ship called the Carnival Miracle and and I was typing in typing typing in Carnival Miracle where you know where does it go? What does it do? What does it look like? I was just a full-on novice when it comes to cruising. I guess that cruise ship went viral at one point because of a rude captain and there was a protest because they were doing exactly what you just said. They were avoiding a hurricane and there was like a bunch of people who kind of mobbed up and were kind of organizing and protesting and this and that. You're talking way, you know, way way a long time ago, 2009, 2008, whatever it was.

[00:44:10]If you look up Rude Captain Carnival Miracle, the guy gets on the he's going to do damage control. They send this guy up to do damage control and he gets on the microphone in the theater. I believe it was in the theater. The captain says, "Listen ladies, >> don't worry. You still don't have to cook this week."

[00:44:30]>> And every he didn't he didn't control the damage is not what he did. It was just funny back then. I know. I think now they would know not to say something like that, but um >> throwback to a different time, right?

[00:44:42]>> Yeah, exactly. Man, that's uh you know, what was I going to ask you?

[00:44:46]>> I was offended by that, ladies. I was offended by that. I just >> Yeah, we were we were we were offended.

[00:44:50]We were offended for you for sure. Uh there's a lot of stuff going on here. Uh the other thing that was interesting is like uh Royal Caribbean's Allure of the Seas, it's having propulsion issues. All these mega ships seem to be having propulsion issues. And I followed an article today about a passenger that was on this. So essentially what happened, it left Fort Lauderdale uh Ceday and then it went to Perfect Day at Coco K.

[00:45:15]Then it was supposed to go to Falmouth, Jamaica. Then it was going to go to Nassau. Then it was going to go back to Fort Lauderdale. Well, by the time they got to Coco Key, the engine broke and so they're just limping along. They have to go back to they they go to Nassau early and they stay one day in Nassau. I think this is going on right now. Then they're going to go out to sea a little bit, have a semi day off the coast of the Bahamas. They got to bug out of there for a little bit. Then they're going to go back for another Nassau day. So the they've lost Falmouth, Jamaica, and uh people are getting refunds for their excursions. But uh one quote I read from a passenger on board said that he was worried that because they were moving so slowly between Nassau and uh you know where they needed to go to get fixed that this could be another poop cruise, which is a wild statement because what happened with the poop cruise is they lost power out in the middle of the ocean. it it's not even close to what's going on with Allure of the Seas, but it did bring to mind to me today that how some of these uh some of these things are etched in our mind that anytime a cruise ship has trouble, they think it's the poop cruise or you know, like I said, I I still know people that will reference the Titanic for reasons that they don't cruise.

[00:46:24]Do you think there's something, you know, why why do you think we're like that as people where we we're able to conjure up these things and and assign it to something that's not even close to the same thing?

[00:46:35]>> I think it's just a testament of of the power of the mainstream media and social media. It's just kind of crazy. people see things and you know these things that are produced whether it's Netflix documentaries whether it's miniseries from back in our day whatever it is they are produced to get eyes the business model is to get eyes and elicit a response and that's what is happening and I think the key thing to what you said when you were talking about this guy and what he said he said it's his second cruise so when you're talking about a novice cruiser who you know I get it I get it a little bit to be honest with Because I am it's not lost on me when I look over that railing and just see the power of mother nature and the sea and how all those waves are behaving. You know what I mean? They're just behaving.

[00:47:24]What happens if one decides to not behave? What happens if you know something happens to where it's, you know? So, I get it. You are at the mercy of so many things. you know, you look and I've always thought about the fact that, you know, you're watching these crazy movies and at the the the divin movie theater below you is anywhere from, you know, 5 to 15,000 ft above you is infinite and around all sides, who knows what's going on. So, when you are, especially in my early days of cruising, I embraced it, but I had some angst when it came to that. And I would, you know, usually, you know, turn to alcohol for that. But I I I'm kind of joking. But, you know, as it kind of moved on in my cruising career, I I've really really embraced it a little bit more and I like it. But, you know, if you're a rookie cruiser and you're in the middle of, you know, you're not able to see anything, you can't see land anywhere and you realize you're moving at a snail's pace on this big ship. I get there being a little bit of a worry, you know. I will I will say that.

[00:48:26]>> Where where you at? Do you um do you like to go out on the top deck when it's dark and kind of peer out into the abyss or because I think there's people out there that won't do that. They you know that's too frightening. I do like it out there, but I like a little late night Leo. I think that's one of the coolest times on the cruise ship, but I know there's people that won't touch that top deck in pitch black.

[00:48:45]>> Yeah, I do. I go out there and I to go to my phone and I play Sound of Silence.

[00:48:49]Not the old version, the new version by Disturbed.

[00:48:52]>> Oh, yeah.

[00:48:52]>> It It's It's cool. It's cool out there.

[00:48:54]I do like it. You'll see some shooting stars. You know, you don't see as many.

[00:48:58]People think you're going to see just like if you went camping and saw all those stars. You don't really see that as much cuz cruise ships are very well lit up. So, you don't get that, but you know, just to look out there and kind of just take it in a little bit. Yeah.

[00:49:11]It'll kind of it'll get into your core a little bit and then Yeah. you go back inside, you know.

[00:49:15]>> Yeah. Have pizza or something? Yeah. The um Have you have Have you ever been a smoker? You ever smoked in your life?

[00:49:22]>> Smoke cigarettes?

[00:49:23]>> I've never smoked either. I grew up in a household of smokers and I think I just never was into it because of the it was one of those deals anything my parents thought was cool I I was I was rebellious against it so I never smoked but uh the Carnival Glory just came out of dry dock and one thing that they did on that ship and I'm not completely 100% sure what the layout is but it seems like one of those classic layouts with the multi-deck atrium where they still have a Java blue kind of in the curve. I don't know if that makes any sense the way I'm saying it to you. You know how they have a curve on that atrium like three decks high and it's round and there'll be like a piano bar or something like that. So there there was also a teen club there uh the O2 teen club in the curve right next to Java Blue and um apparently they made that a non-smoking casino that actually has uh you know slot machines and table games.

[00:50:10]So I think there's a blackjack table in there. Uh, you know, I'm okay with a non-smoking casino, but you know, when I started gambling, all casinos were smoking. And I I don't know if I'm superstitious, but I almost feel like I do better in a smoking casino. I don't know if that makes any sense or not, but do you feel like smoking's a part like there's just certain things in the world that smoking's a part of and it doesn't bo like I get bad allergies and so I don't love smoke or anything like that, but for some reason I'll pop a benadryil and stand in a smoking casino. Do you think the luck is better with a with a smoking casino or a non-smoking when it comes to the cards?

[00:50:45]>> I I Well, that's that's a loaded question. I I think most of the casinos I've ever been in were smoking casinos and yeah, you know, we we get a little spoiled. You know, me and you came up in a day where people would smoke on elevators and, you know, smoke anywhere.

[00:50:59]It was just, you know, Congress, I mean, everywhere. Everybody was smoking everywhere. It's funny to watch, you know, people just lighting up every anywhere and over what somewhere around the turn of the century in that area, maybe a little bit after things just started, you know, the rights of smokers started getting taken away. While, you know, I sympathize for them, but I love the fresh air. You know, I've been accustomed like you when you're sitting in a casino. But the thing you can make the same argument for was in my industry, the bar industry, like everybody said, "What do you mean you're going to open up a bar and you can't you can't smoke in it? That's insane. That doesn't even make sense." Um, but yeah, it worked. And I guess it'll kind of go the same way for casinos. I don't necessarily know or have a finger on the pulse of the luck is better or not because I don't really have too much non-smoking casino experience, but I always, you know, whenever anybody sits down next to me and we're playing along and then they just go to light up, I just get a little uh, you know, a little disappointed. I I get through it. You know what I mean? I don't I don't go to the point where I'm offended by it. I'm going to move and I said, "Do you really have to?" No. But yeah, a little bit of like, "Wow." You know, it's almost like a roast joke, you know?

[00:52:09]>> That is the weird thing though. I find in smoking casinos, at least on the cruise ship for table games, it doesn't seem like people smoke at the tables, which is I like that. I I I definitely don't like smoke blown in my face. I've been at been at tables where the people have smoked, but yeah, I don't know.

[00:52:25]Now, now I'm I feel like I I'm going to experiment on my next cruise that has a smoking casino and a non-smoking casino.

[00:52:30]Like, you know, does that play a role? I mean, that again, that's 10 hat stuff, but um yeah, maybe. You know, I never thought about that. That'd be fun data to collect. You know, I'm I'm up in the smoking casino, but down in the non-smoking casino or something like that.

[00:52:45]>> Let me ask you a question about roulette quick. You you do you play roulette at all?

[00:52:49]>> No, I you know, my brother-in-law plays.

[00:52:51]I kind of hate it. Like I don't have a good system, you know, like the Marting Gale is supposed to be a system, but then you run into the table limit and you know, it's a lot of work. Like I I don't want to do calisthenics while I'm trying to gamble, you know, reach over, put a number here, put a number there, you know. Do you like it? I think I I don't like it typically and I never have, but I've been having a little bit of luck here and there and I haven't stuck to it as like a practice, but why not just stare at the thing and when red or black shows up three times in a row, you bet the other one? Don't Isn't that automatic probability 101?

[00:53:26]>> No, I think every spin is independent. I mean, that's the problem, right? They put those tote boards up there to to mess with your mind. But every >> Don't you Don't you like they they teach you probability in school? If you if you do a coin flip and it lands on heads, the probability of a tails coming up is double, isn't it?

[00:53:46]>> No. That every coin flip is 50/50. Every coin flip is 50/50.

[00:53:55]>> All right. Maybe.

[00:53:56]>> I promise. But I I will I will I will Okay, you could say it's 50/50. I get that technically it is 50/50, but there is a thing called probability out there.

[00:54:05]And if you if you count the amount of times that four of the same color show up in a row, I think you the data is there that would tell you that it's almost it's very very rarely very rarely will you see sometimes you'll see you'll see one every other then you'll see two in a row then even sometimes three in a row which you know it's a but four in a row that's like very rare that you'll see that. I have been victimized by that board before and seen four reds in a row and then bet black until I have no money.

[00:54:41]>> Not saying it's impossible. Not saying it's impossible. But if you wanted to do that as a practice, if you stood there for 12 hours and every time three in a row showed up, it was one color. You bet the opposite color on that fourth one. I think you might be on to something.

[00:54:55]You're saying I'm wrong? I I think you're a little smarter than me. You might be right.

[00:54:58]>> I I don't know if you're wrong. I don't know if you're wrong. I don't know if you're right. But the funny thing is the next time you go to a casino, just watch the roulette players and none of them look that happy.

[00:55:07]>> Okay.

[00:55:08]>> They don't look as happy as those ultimate Texas Holdem people that every once in a while some royal flush hits and the whole place explodes.

[00:55:14]>> Yeah, that's true. That is true.

[00:55:17]>> And then, you know, uh blackjack, we just seem quiet and angry, I think, for the most part.

[00:55:22]>> Well, Blackjack would just locked in.

[00:55:24]You're just focused.

[00:55:25]>> Can you believe this a-hole split tens over there? What's going on? I could have won a million dollars. could have won.

[00:55:31]>> Something's going on with this dealer.

[00:55:32]This is not Something's going on with this dealer. There's no way this deal is supposed to win this much.

[00:55:36]>> Rigged. It's all rigged.

[00:55:38]>> Yeah, >> I'm tipping the whole time and she's still beating us.

[00:55:41]>> Beating us every time. Yeah. Trying to pay it off, man. You know, I do look if I if I have any pet peeve in the cruise casino, it's when people get mad at the dealer. Like, you know, like and then the funny thing what I the the other thing that I have seen though that I don't know if I like it or not. I think I do like it because >> Well, I'll push back a little bit, but go ahead.

[00:56:00]>> Yeah, I do like it. I do like it because it's my personality. I like it when somebody's a jerk to the dealer and then the dealer's a jerk back, right? Like I I don't know how much leeway that they have, but you know, most of the time they have to eat it, right? They have to eat the the obnoxious person, but every once in a while you'll find a dealer that finds you maybe it's the last week of their contract or something and they're, "Oh yeah, I'm glad I'm beating you." Like you could tell there's some every once in a while that get excited to beat you if you've been too much of a jerk to them. So, this is how it starts.

[00:56:27]So, some of them, Tony, here's my push back on on this. I'm with you. I like the dealer. I'm tipping every time. We We're going to get along. It doesn't matter if you're beating me. I get it.

[00:56:36]It's not your fault. But if you on purpose go 100 miles an hour, >> yeah, >> I don't like it. And then whenever so I had an experience in the carnival paradise where sometimes and I do believe this that they send in coolers and whether it's real or not or whether the cooling thing is a real thing or not they send in certain people just to bust up a good table. I 100% believe that and these are people who come in with an attitude. They come in and usually you know I'm not going to name any I'm not going to name name any um particular nation but it is one of the Eastern European nations. They come in hard and they start dealing fast and they are not receptive to people asking them to slow down. I remember it was a reversal on Carnival Paradise. She came in boop going fast people the whole table unanimously. Hey, would you mind just slowing it down a little bit and then that got us she wouldn't. So that got us off to a bad start. And I was like you know here's a tip. I was like I know a tip. I just want you on our side. She's like I'm not on your side. I'm on the casino side. I'm like, "Oh, okay." Well, and everybody was kind of like, you know, making making faces at that. And then >> she I go, "Yeah, but if we make more money, we'll tip you more." And she's like, "I don't care about that. I'm here for the casino." And then she just kept going really really fast. And then Tony, everybody started just giving her the business like in a sort of like a maybe a cerebral way to where I I saw she was starting to break down a little bit like they were >> she was going to obviously have this >> Yeah.

[00:58:15]>> No. And and then that's when I I said to her, I say I stopped. I said, "Hey." And I put a I put a five down again and I said, "Bad night at work. That's it."

[00:58:24]cuz she looked like she was ready to freaking I mean she was like she turned white. She was like shaking a little bit but she kind of brought it on herself a little bit. But then when I saw that it really I was like I just looked her dead in the eye. I was like hey bad night at work. We all it's a bad night at work.

[00:58:40]We all have bad nights at work. I don't know. And I got I didn't stay that much longer after that. But sometimes these dealers Tony they uh they they come at us.

[00:58:48]>> It's got to be a tough life man. Like I I think about that sometimes I'll get uh I'll get a little in a trance and I you know I'll listen to the cards pop and you know I like to sit at a table by myself. I'm perfectly happy to play by myself. I am with you though. I don't like an overly fast game. I kind of like it a little slow, a little chill, but when you're sitting by yourself, you end up with a fast game. But then I start thinking like Yeah. And I I've ended up asking you like have you deal have you dealt a million hands of blackjack? Like I wonder that that has got to be a blackjack dealer. That's got to be one of the most monotonous jobs ever, right?

[00:59:21]Because they're just counting the cards.

[00:59:23]They're just making sure they're making the right judgments and that kind of thing. That has got to be mindnumbing for all of us that have our money on the line. It's the most important thing, right? But this this $5 bet that I've got going right now is the most important thing. But to them, they're like, it's just one of a million hands of blackjack that I've dealt. Yep. So, it's like when you it's so hard the you know that that's one of my favorite things on a cruise when you finally get a cool kind of engaged a good vibe dealer but then as soon as you get in a rhythm with an engaged good vibe dealer they switch it up and then then you have the angry person. So, yeah, it's got to be on purpose. I mean, I know they all have to take breaks and stuff like that, but I hate it because they'll rotate them out to another game and it's like, "Oh, could I just have the vibing?" You know, I like the vibing dealer, but uh it's got to be I I don't know why any of these people would care about us. I know it's part of their job to feain like they care. I mean, the main job is to make sure they uh run the game correctly, but uh that anybody that really acts like they care or that actually cares, we should be tipping them because I I couldn't imagine doing a job so monotonous and then having somebody looking at me like they want me to care about them and then being able to care about them because I would be like, "Oh, who is this? Somebody different will be in that chair next week and you're, you know, I couldn't imagine being stuck doing that job."

[01:00:37]>> It's it's the tips though. Let me kind of throw this at you. See what you what you because I have cons I'm a conspiracy guy. This is what I think all the time.

[01:00:43]The casino because you know the one thing you have to say about the casinos and on land Atlantic City, Vegas, places like that, the gaming commissions are very rigid and there's like a lot of stuff and hoops you have to run through to make sure that it's a fair game. You know what I mean? Like slot machines have to pay out x amount of dollars, this and that. But on the cruise ships, it's it's looser. There's not as much litigation that goes with that. I am, you know, whether you're talking about how many shuffles, whether you're talking about tightly wound up slot machines, I was gambling with a guy and he was, I mean, the dealer, I was solo gambling and I was up maybe, I don't know, 12 to,500 bucks and I was tipping him the whole time and he was good. He was great. Good relationship back and forth. I lost a couple of hands in a row. So, I went down maybe now I'm up like maybe,00,000.

[01:01:36]He like I looked her dead in the eye. He looked at me dead in the eye. He goes, "Thomas, you were very good to me all night. I'm going to be good to you now.

[01:01:45]Go to bed. Go to bed."

[01:01:49]And I'm like, "Why? We're having fun."

[01:01:51]>> Do you think he knew? Do you think he knew what cards were coming or was he just saying, >> "I don't want to think I knew he could play.

[01:01:56]>> This is You might as well finish up something."

[01:02:00]>> I could tell you what cards did come and I didn't have any money at the end of it. Um, and I didn't listen to him and I stayed. But I don't know. Part of me thinks it's probably what you just said.

[01:02:09]The guy said, "Oh, you went on a run.

[01:02:10]Take your money. Go to bed." You know what I mean? Probably was probably being cool like that. He probably didn't know that he was about to just empty my, you know, empty my chips. But I don't know.

[01:02:21]Part of me, it's just the way he said it to me just kind of stayed with me. It was like, Thomas, you were very good to me tonight. You tipped me. I'm going to be good to you now. Time to go to bed now. That's it. That's the thing that's frustrating because I love I love the I love the gambling part of gambling.

[01:02:36]There there's some people that like to gamble to make money. I like to gamble to be there. But what's weird is you would think that if that was the case I would just play $5 blackjack, but I like to play a little higher level than that.

[01:02:49]And so it's got to be a little bit about the money, I guess, for me and just being there. But I heard somebody giving gambling advice one time and they they said that the reason that most people lose their money in the casino is they just stay too long. You know, it's like you stay until you you stay until you lose, which is a weird kind of thing because, you know, and that's one thing strategy-wise, you know, I I might have a short session, my first session, because if I can get up a little bit, I love going to bed, say it's a a cruise that I know I'm going to gamble a few nights. I love going to bed on that first night of winner. That changes my mindset, right?

[01:03:22]And uh so I'll I'll even have a short session. If I can get up a little bit, I'll just be like, "All right, I'm a winner tonight." you know, let me go have late night pizza and go to sleep well and smile and and be like because it's weird like when you lose a little money, you're like, I can't believe, you know, like why, you know, oh, if that double down would have hit or why am I, you know, why did this happen? But, uh, you know, it's funny, but I love to sit at the table, you know, and so, uh, you know, that that's that's interesting advice. I used to do that when I played craps a lot. I would just play a lot of sessions. If I would, you know, there were times where I was buying in for $100 on a $5 table and if I would get up $15 after a half an hour, I would walk away and then just go put the $15 and then immediately go back and start a new session. It was something about that starting fresh that did it for me. But yeah, I mean, you know, you you've been in casinos where you've seen guys sit there way too long, take out more markers. It's a it's a it's a rough life, man. Like, you know, I don't I don't wish gambling on anybody. I like it. I I completely have the bug for it, but it it there's something in there psychologically that's a little destructive and maybe that's why I like it because there's a little destructiveness in it. But you got to you got to keep your wits about you or you could really uh get into the hurt locker.

[01:04:31]>> Yeah. Yeah. You know what a move I like to do too is if I'm up a little bit, if I if I'm gambling my early session, if I go up like maybe five, six hundred bucks, I'll get up Tony, I'll just go to the window and cash out.

[01:04:42]>> Yeah.

[01:04:43]>> Just I know I'm going back. I'll go back at a half hour later. Yeah, but just to get in the mode of just going in, feeling the money, getting the cash in hand. You know what I mean? Feeling like, all right, I cashed out for 600. I cashed out for 500 just for the purpose of cashing out.

[01:04:57]>> I never keep chips. Never. I I I buy in for a session and when the session's done, I cash those chips in. I never take chips back to the cabin. I you know, I want to start fresh every time.

[01:05:08]Exactly what you're talking about. You know, so the gambling is a little outrageous and a little dangerous. You know what else is?

[01:05:15]>> What's that?

[01:05:16]>> Decorating your door. I mean, people that are decor decorating their door.

[01:05:20]>> They're wild. Well, that's what I'm finding out now. You know, I've heard a lot of different reasons for decorating.

[01:05:25]I've seen a lot of great door decorations. You know, Bob and Sue sailing the high seas for 20 years. And you know, that's great. And some people say, "Hey, I decorate my door because if you look down the infinite hallway of a cruise ship corridor, it looks like a, you know, shot from the Shining. And every room looks the same. And you know, we do like to drink a little bit. So, how how do I get back to my cabin? I decorate my door. Well, you know, I don't know that a mob formed, but there were somebody went down to guest services on a Royal Caribbean ship recently because somebody had stolen their door decoration. So, um that's why I say that door decorating is a dangerous uh proposition because it's easy uh to decorate your door. It's easy to put a magnet out there. It's easy to celebrate Bob and Sue's birthday, but uh people be thieving. I I I think that's what we found out. And the cruise line, at least Royal Caribbean, take an interesting stance saying uh basically you decorate your door at your own risk.

[01:06:18]Of all the things that you do at your own risk on a cruise ship, I never thought I would hear that associated with door decorating.

[01:06:25]>> And I agree with them the sentiment.

[01:06:26]It's 100%. And it's sad because I think you know cruising feel used to feel like a safe space. You could leave stuff around on cruise ships. Tony gambling one time. Tony, going back to the gambling and talking about I just got to get this one off. I I lost $400 on the floor of a slot machine. Tony, they called me the next day.

[01:06:49]Security called me and they brought me to the Did you lose any money last night? I'm like, yeah. I like how much?

[01:06:55]I think like $300 or $400. We looked on camera. We saw you. You dropped $400 on the floor and I got the $400 back.

[01:07:02]>> Wow. Um, so just kind of throwing that out there as a segue to I really feel like on cruising in general, you you just felt like everybody was kind of just like in the same kind of wavelength. It was hardcore cruisers.

[01:07:14]Cruising was a little bit of a fraternity. Um, now I think a lot of more mainstream people have taken up cruising and I don't want to be the whole get off my lawn, things were better back in my day guy. I don't want to be that guy. But yeah, those I get I got sad on the last cruise I was on in the Facebook group. Somebody mentioned, you know, if somebody wouldn't mind returning our door decoration, we've had it the same door decoration for our last 20 years of cruising. We put it on our door and um you know, and you know what it is? It's just a bunch of kids stealing it. You know, probably just, you know, the the the teenagers running around and doing scavenger hunts or whatever they do. It it is a little saddening. It just makes makes me a little sad that, you know, you you can't really you got to watch yourself a little more. You got to watch your belongings. You know, things of value should not be left where you're not watching them 100% of the time. Sad as it is, unfortunate it is, it is today's reality. So, and yeah, Royal Caribbean cannot be responsible for this. So, >> you don't think they should have somebody policing the doors, >> policing the doors, just guarding the guarding the >> guarding the doors. What I want to think, so of course it's easy to say those Medlin kids, right? Like uh I've watched enough car those Medlin kids.

[01:08:29]But wouldn't it be great if it was like some 60-year-old dude that like really just enjoyed stealing off the doors like all of a sudden there's just a guy, you know, with a backpack putting putting magnets. Yeah.

[01:08:40]>> Or the hamburglar, the door burglar or something like that. Yeah. It's, you know, >> it's wild. You know, this this caused a stir because I guess the way Royal Caribbean decided to address the situation was to send out a letter to guests on the ship, uh, explaining what the, you know, policies were around door decorations. And then a couple news outlets, uh, non-cruising news outlets like the New York Post, they post like, is this going to be a ban on door decorations? You know, the interesting thing is sometimes people's bad behavior does result in a ban, right? like if it becomes too much of a hassle for Royal, maybe they do ban uh, you know, door decorations. I I don't think they would.

[01:09:19]I think a lot of people like it, but I just remember I was on the on the Comic-Con cruise and on the 80s cruise, they go all out on these door decorations. And I think even on the the Jay and Simil Bob cruise, they go all out and the Facebook group is flooded, like you said, with like, oh man, somebody stole my stuff. And uh I guess you know it's sad that you can't you can't put your stuff out there, but I don't know. Like where else can you just put your stuff out somewhere? You know what I mean? Like I I guess it's a to me it's a weird uh it's a weird thought.

[01:09:47]Like I would never put anything of value on the outside of my door that was sentimentally valued or something like that. You know, I put a ribbon. I mean, again, if I put a magnet out there that says Tony and Jenny on it that I paid $8 for and it got stolen, I don't think I'm going to guest services over that, you know. But I'm I'm definitely not putting anything of too crazy sentimental value out of there, >> right?

[01:10:08]>> I think I think we need I think we need a squad. I think we need a door decoration protection squad. Almost like uh almost like the Guardian Angels on the streets of New York.

[01:10:18]>> I want a beret. I want a beret and I want I want to be deputized and I'm going to be walking the I'm going to be walking the corridors like I'm going to get a shirt with no sleeves, right? And a beret and I'll be just walking making sure that there's no door shenanigans.

[01:10:32]We can do this. We We can do this together. I will join your your crew of vigilantes as long as, you know, during the day when we're not patrolling, we can be in our sports jackets at guest services.

[01:10:45]>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think people really like that idea, us doing commentary at the guest services. We got to we got to do that. Then it, you know, that'd be funny. Then we can have rival gangs protecting the doors and be like the, you know, warriors and then come out to play.

[01:11:01]>> And then then 25 years from now, we can run for mayor of New York City.

[01:11:05]>> That's right. Mayor of New York City.

[01:11:07]That's a job that uh I think would be tough to have, but I wouldn't mind. Um, >> you know, you got the Curtis Lee reference, obviously, right? That >> Well, he didn't he didn't win.

[01:11:15]>> He founded No, but he he ran >> he ran this last time.

[01:11:18]>> Yeah. Yeah. So, he founded the Guardian Angels. You know what I appreciated about that? And I don't really get into politics too much, but you know what I appreciated about the New York mayoral race?

[01:11:27]>> He still wore the beret.

[01:11:30]>> He was bered up. Yeah, it was every time I saw him.

[01:11:33]>> The girl that brought you.

[01:11:34]>> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Love the one you're with. Uh okay. So, we didn't really talk about it when we were talking about lawsuits. Well, we touched on it a little bit, but the Supreme Court uh this uh this thing that went on with Cuba. Uh we were both fortunate during the Obama administration that we both went to Cuba on cruise ships and uh that was something we couldn't do for most of our life because there was a tourism embargo against Cuba and somehow uh for a period of time we could go there. Now the interesting thing is the cruise lines a bunch of them went to Cuba and then after they went to Cuba and took all these passengers they got sued by I believe an American company that owned a lease on the docks in Havana. So before the Castros took over Cuba, uh some American company owned the the rights to the docks in Havana. Of course that got the docks got taken away from them when the Castros came in. But I guess there was some law that Congress passed in 1996 that said if any American interest in some foreign country is disrupted for some reason and then in the future somebody's able to make profit off of it, the whoever made profit off of it is now uh they can now get that money taken away from them by the people that originally held the interest. And uh it's a little convoluted. I'm not explaining it well, but apparently uh when that that suit was first brought from this company against the cruise lines, the initial ruling was like, "Yeah, cruise lines owe these guys $400 million." And the cruise lines appealed and it went to an appellet court and the appellet court said, "No, they they don't owe you that." They overturned it. And then it worked its way through the whole judicial system all the way to the highest court of the land where the Supreme Court in an 8 to1 decision uh said that the cruise lines now have to pay this $400 million. So, I'm going to I'm going to assume that that that's the end of the road. They're going to have to pay this money. But, like I think we were talking about it pre-show. You were like, "Don't you think somebody checked this out before they uh I I wonder how how like I wonder if nobody knew that these guys owned this company and the lawsuit was just a surprise."

[01:13:42]>> Yeah. Yeah. This is like uh it's Cuba.

[01:13:45]It's Bar Harbor. This is like things that go back and forth and back and forth and you wonder, is this going to be the end of the line? That's what I'm saying. And is it going to be an appeal to the appeal to the appeal?

[01:13:55]>> I don't think you can go beyond the Supreme Court, honestly.

[01:13:57]>> Probably not. You're probably right.

[01:13:59]You're probably right.

[01:14:00]>> But that that's exactly my sentiment.

[01:14:01]It's like, you know, the cruise lines, all they wanted to do is bring people to Cuba, you know, and I'm not necessarily an apologist for these uh, you know, billionaire cruise companies because, you know, they they do their thing and they they're doing just fine. Um, and they'll get through this just like they're getting through they'll get through everything else. But at the same time, if in all fairness, if you're a cruise line, you want to go to Canada, Cuba, and you feel like you're going to do your due diligence and nobody's going to say, "Hey, listen, you may not want to do that because of there's a company that prior to Castro owned this and it's American. It's an American company and uh they may I mean, talk about a blind side is what I'm saying. So, I just don't like that part of it because it wasn't like Carnival was trying to, you know, separate anybody from their funds or do anything nefarious financially with anybody.

[01:14:52]Carnival, who is it? Carnival, Norwegian, MSC, and Royal.

[01:14:57]>> Yep. Four companies. Yep.

[01:14:59]>> Four like a million, a million, a 100red million each. It's like if they were trying to, you know, screw around or do something like they weren't. They were just trying to go to Cuba. Um, but then I guess the other side of it is this.

[01:15:13]This is the law that's on paper, right?

[01:15:15]This is the law that's on paper and these people feel that they're owed a debt based on the law. So, I feel like this had, you know, like we talk about these companies having huge legal teams. This probably had to take them by surprise because you got to imagine when the Obama administration says, "Okay, you can go to Cuba. There's certain reason like when we went, we had to talk about it being a an educational enrichment thing like we had to Yeah.

[01:15:38]people to people." So, there were there were uh like reasons legit reasons to go there, but I'm assuming that the cruise lines made an agreement with the Cuban government, right? Like they they had to pay port fees and those kind of things.

[01:15:52]Yeah. And so, I'm assuming in in their mind that that was all those that that's all it took to dot the eyes and cross the tees. So, this had to be a shock.

[01:16:00]And I'm I'm assuming and you know, I wonder how much more money is also spent in this whole legal process. Again, rights, right? If that's the law, that that's the law. But man, that that kind of sucks because again, I think to your point, I don't I I don't see that they were trying to do anything uh shady by taking people to Cuba and working the deal out with Cuba. But yeah, it's it's a tough thing. And uh you know, I know some people that were displaced because of Castro and those guys going to Cuba that are very anti uh people going to Cuba for tourism. And so it's a it's a dicey proposition. I'm I'm grateful that I got to go there. It's uh it was definitely like going back in time and uh it it definitely gave you an appreciation for the the the the luxuries and the freedoms and the benefits that we have as Americans. But uh yeah, it sounds like these cruise companies are going to have to uh write a check, which is wild.

[01:16:54]>> Could they be anything? Could the there be anything as far as recourse or accountability from the side of the American company that is said to be getting a nice little payday here? Is there any accountability for them to doing anything in the way of and it's not the right word but like a cease and desist type thing or hey listen here's a warning letter if you're sailing here just so you know we own these and you shouldn't sail here unless you are prepared to pay us a bunch of money like shouldn't shouldn't there be something like that shouldn't they be held accountable to at least put it out there or or throw a warning shot >> it would be interesting I don't know the full details and I'm assuming that something like that could have happened but you know I Uh the the other side of me goes, "Well, maybe not. Maybe they maybe the the Venus fly trap, right?

[01:17:40]Waiting for the fly to get caught in the net or something." But uh yeah, I don't know. I don't know. The course of cruise lines, they haven't really said much about it because of the ongoing litigation or whatever. But yeah, >> that's that's rough, man. You think you think you give somebody a heads up, but uh it doesn't sound like that was that in that case.

[01:17:58]>> Can you help me out? I'm halfway caught up on a story because I don't think we're going to really solve that one anytime soon. That's going to I guess the Supreme Court's going to do that, I guess. And we'll see what happens. But there was something that I was along with for the ride. You were saying that some guy got banned from cruising uh on Carnival based on a situation from PO because they said he couldn't sail on PO anymore. But he had never even been on a PO cruise. But I think you there was an update on that, wasn't there?

[01:18:29]>> Yeah. This thing this thing annoys the crap out of me. So, there was a guy that that took to uh I'm assuming it was a guy, we'll just say passenger. A passenger took to Reddit to say I was on a Carnival booking with my family and then all of a sudden I was no longer on the booking. And so, we called in the Carnival and they said, "Hey, uh yeah, you you're on a no sale list and you're going to have to talk to Carnival Security, you know, about this." They reach out to Carnival security and they're like, "Yeah, you're on the PNO no sale list and you're not going to be able to sell on Carnival and there's no appeal to it." And the guy or the passenger was like, "Well, I've never been on PNO." And so, uh, you know, I think enough of a a hubhub went out about it that they were able to Carnival eventually said, "Look, if you can get this cleared up with PO, then we can reinstate your booking." and they were able to verify that they were not the person that was on the PNO no sale list.

[01:19:25]It just makes me wonder like what is the process? Like did they just match a name without any other information or like you know is it a crazy coincidence? Does the person have like the same name, same birthday, that kind of thing? I feel like there's got to be a good system in place so that doesn't happen. I am happy that the cruise lines are sharing their no sale list. I mean, of course, they're under the same Carnival Corporation umbrella, PNO and Carnival Cruise Line, but man, that would be so frustrating if all of a sudden, you know, fortunately, hopefully our names aren't uh that easily to, you know, somebody else to have it, but you just got to worry like, you know, what's a John Smith or something like that all of a sudden? Oh, yeah, you're on the banner list. But apparently they they were able to clear it up and their booking has been reinstated.

[01:20:09]>> Okay, good. Bizarre bizarre glitch there. I mean, I've haven't heard that.

[01:20:14]That's crazy.

[01:20:16]>> Yeah. I mean, I think it would have got cleared up. I'm not gonna I was gonna throw back again. It would have got cleared up sooner, but the guy kept saying, "I don't answer any questions."

[01:20:23]Um, >> wait, hold on. But I got a glitch. I got a glitch that happened to me. I want to confess. Okay. I want to make a confession.

[01:20:30]>> Cruz confession time.

[01:20:33]>> And you asked since your last confession?

[01:20:36]>> Probably about 15 20 minutes. You said um you said stealing. We were talking about stealing before. Whether or not passing a drink along or t accepting a drink is stealing. Is this stealing? I am now, and I'll say it, if I get caught by saying this publicly, I'll take what I'll take my medicine.

[01:20:56]I um I am diamond on Royal Caribbean now. I am diamond by one sailing.

[01:21:04]There is a sailing in my past sailings log on Royal Caribbean that I never went on.

[01:21:16]I don't know how it's there. I never went on it. It was a 6 day something. I think it was on a Voyager class or whatever. Or it might have been Oasis. I forgot which one. But there's a sailing that through a through through a mistake on Royal Caribbean that I that they put in for me and now I'm diamond. And diamond on Royal is is actual value. You know, you get the four drinks, some good stuff. I still haven't used it yet.

[01:21:42]But am I stealing?

[01:21:44]>> That's a great question. Uh, you know, the interesting thing, you know, when in the monopoly, a bank has made an error in your favor. Collect $20. I don't know. Like that that's >> we we have this conversation sometimes.

[01:21:58]If you're at Walmart and the cashier gives you a 20 instead of a 10 and you recognize it, do you call attention to it? Now, I I tend to do it, but uh I I know others that I've had this conversation with that says, "No, it's their mistake." You know, >> I do it right away.

[01:22:14]>> You should count better. You know, >> I do it fast. You know what I mean? I like I if I find money or something like that and I I want to not tempt myself and I like return it right away, make the do it right away. This way I'm like, you know, if it fers a little bit in my mind, I don't want the dark thoughts to creep in. But this is an interesting one because all it is is am I am I stealing C day time? Is that is that what's going on? Am I >> I mean, I you didn't actively you didn't actively do anything. You didn't manipulate the system. You you know, I don't think you stole that. But, you know, the the question is, should you bring their error up and disadvantage yourself? I don't know. That'd be interesting. Uh it might be this would be an interesting experiment to see if they would even talk to you because I I would assume you might call uh guest services and say, "Look, I have a booking on here that I I never took.

[01:23:03]It's not my booking and because of that, I now have diamond status." I'm assuming the customer service person be like, "Why are you even calling?" Like, you know, >> no, they'll be like, "Sir, what you did is the right thing. We understand. We expect you by 10 a.m. to turn yourself in with your pin. Bring your diamond pin in >> and uh this this this we can't promise you it's going to be easy for you, but this will help. The fact that you came forward, this will help.

[01:23:27]>> Yeah. I don't know, you know, >> comments comments, right? Let's see what you What would you guys do? Should I turn myself in?

[01:23:34]>> Yeah. I I think fortunately for me, I don't pay enough attention, so I wouldn't have known. I just look at that top level status. I I very r don't make me go look at my cruises now. Now I'm worried about it. I don't want to go look at my cruises. Uh, you know, let's talk about this uh unfortunate situation. You know, we've got uh an update to the Anna Keaptainner case.

[01:23:53]Anna Keepner, 18-year-old passenger that was u assaulted and killed on a Carnival cruise ship allegedly by her stepbrother and uh her underage stepbrother. I think he's 17 now. He was 16 at the time. He went to court today and uh he's been free. uh he's been staying with his uncle since all this happened. It took a long time for them. He's been charged uh with her with her murder and for the assault and um you know it he's been free this whole time and he went to court today and the prosecution was saying hey look this is a you know murder case we think he should be in jail and the judge decided not to not to put him in jail so he's still free. I don't know how I feel about this, right?

[01:24:38]Like, so the whole core of the American justice system system is innocent until presumed guilty, but man, a lot's pointing at this kid being the one that did this thing. And I just don't know how I feel about him being not locked up. Do you have any kind of feeling on it?

[01:24:53]>> I know exactly how I feel about him not being locked up. I think that's an outrage. It's absolutely 100%. And I mean, I feel like there's like like even when you said like, you know, so one of the uh outlets were referring referring to him as a babyfaced kid or, you know, it seems like that there was a lot of between even between the family from the beginning. There was a lot of bending over backwards to protect this kid and protect his identity and this and that.

[01:25:18]And listen, I'm sorry. Call me what you want. You could say what you want, comments, whatever. This guy needs to go to jail now. Oh, this is dope. There's no if ends or buts about it. Do not pass co if we're still doing Monopoly references. He's got to go. There's got to I'm deeply deeply disturbed by this.

[01:25:37]Uh because I feel like there's an element of the horror of what happened to this young lady, but even worse by the people that are most important in their lives are not they didn't protect her and they're certainly not honoring her. And um I have no sympathy for this kid unfortunately. Maybe that's a little cold of me. I don't know what to say.

[01:25:58]What whatever that says about me. Um I don't know. I I just don't like where my mind goes when I think about what what this kid should be should have be happening to him right now as opposed to what is happening to him right now.

[01:26:12]>> Yeah. I think he's being treated very uh I don't know. It just blows my mind a little bit. You know, it's I I'm all for uh grace and I'm all for people having second chances and stuff, but there's some things that you don't get that for, right? Like that doesn't extend to everything. And uh you know, assaulting uh you know, your stepsister and killing her and then stuffing her under a bed.

[01:26:36]You don't get a second chance for that, right? I'm I'm just shocked. I'm just shocked that they let this kid walk around, honestly. you know, uh, and I feel like if they have enough evidence to charge, then there's definitely a good feeling that, you know, he's the one responsible. So, um, >> I was shocked. I was shocked when I read the article that they didn't they didn't lock him up today.

[01:26:58]>> When a person serves notice to society that they are not fit to be in society, it's appropriate to take them out of society. And that's what's supposed to happen to him.

[01:27:06]>> Yeah, that's a that's a horrible story.

[01:27:09]Okay, let's uh let's cleanse the pallet a little bit. A lot of time we give Carnival a hard time sometimes, but they have a program out there and I I knew about this program, but I didn't realize how farreaching it is. They have a program where they take the prepared food that's already been made that they were just going to throw away that they're going to m, you know, mulch up and put into the sea for fish food and they give it to communities that have uh food needs, right? That that there's food shortage. So, they did that for the very first time this week in Rowatan, Honduras. But uh that's the 18th place in the world where they do that where they give food that they instead of throwing it away and I think to date they've served over I think it started in 2017 they've given away over 350,000 prepared meals. So uh you know as much crap as Carnival takes and I'm sure other cruise lines do other good things like that but I I do think it's important to call out good stuff like that and uh I just appreciate the fact that Carnival, you know, it costs money to run those kind of programs and all that kind of stuff. And of course it looks good for him to do stuff like that, but I appreciate the fact that they do it.

[01:28:12]>> Yes. No, absolutely. Me too. In a related story, I think I saw somebody say in Honduras say um ravioli bolognes again.

[01:28:22]>> Again?

[01:28:23]>> Yes.

[01:28:23]>> Yeah. What happened to the classic menu?

[01:28:25]Where's the escar go?

[01:28:26]>> Yes. Deep fried catfish and uh non What was it? What's the pizza place called? Pizza. Cooa. Coina del Capitano pizza pirate.

[01:28:40]>> Yeah, pizza pirate pizza. Yeah. What happened to you know, but yeah, I'm making jokes about the carnival limited buffet, but this is a of course home run. Kudos to them for doing this. And um you would wonder why, you know, why not, right? Why it's it's I know they were doing it. They were >> repurposing, I guess, for some of the uh aquatic wildlife too at some point, too.

[01:29:03]They were doing that as well.

[01:29:04]>> Yeah. But um this is great. This is great from Carnival. Kudos to Carnival.

[01:29:09]We do say a lot of things about them and you know if if I sometimes come across cynical or we do too as well as a show.

[01:29:16]A lot of times we're having fun but a lot of times we're calling it as we see it as we should when they're doing something very very very good and that's what they're doing right here. So kudos to them for sure.

[01:29:26]>> Yeah. So um I hope they I hope they do more stuff like this. But that wouldn't that would that would be funny if somebody like you know if it came with a little cloch and they lifted it up and they're like h this isn't real fried chicken.

[01:29:38]>> It's not bacon. Where where's the bacon?

[01:29:40]No bacon.

[01:29:41]>> Where you at when it comes to fried chicken? Do you get annoyed when it's just a thigh? Like I feel like if you're going to give me fried chicken, I need breast meat. I feel like we get too many thighs.

[01:29:52]I'm not that I'm not that deep into fried chicken culture. I guess I like a fried I don't I don't know about the bones. I don't You're a southern guy.

[01:30:00]You're a Nashville guy. You're a South guy. So that wasn't me. Fried chicken to me is like, >> you know, a cutlet or something like that. You know what I mean?

[01:30:09]>> You do come from cutlet areas. Yeah. You know, I don't even I don't even think I ever called the fried chicken cutlets until I got with the the lovely Jenny B and she's like, "You like chicken cutlet?" And I'm like, "Well, what is that?

[01:30:21]>> What are you talking about chicken cutlet?" She's like, "Well, it's like a, you know, breast with the, you know, with no bones." I'm like, "Okay, yeah, I do. I do like a boneless breast." if you know what I mean. And my and my journey into the south wi with with fried chicken is it kind of stops at the hot Nashville hot chicken or like just fried chicken on a sandwich. Boneless. It's b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b bless. I'm not really battling bones when it comes to the fried chicken. Now, we did have that at my restaurant, the Ainsworth. We did chicken and waffles and they did have the bones and people really liked it and people they were very very popular with the syrup and everything. Um I didn't I didn't I didn't indulge. Hm. Of course you guys got the wings coming from uh upstate upstate New York. The buffalo wings.

[01:31:03]>> Oh yeah, the buffalo wings.

[01:31:05]>> That kind of chicken.

[01:31:06]>> That kind of chicken. Yeah. I don't know why I'm thinking so much about cruise food right now, but uh yeah. I don't know, Tommy. What What else is uh anything else tweaking your brain cruise-wise this week?

[01:31:16]>> No, no, I think we uh I think we did pretty well. Um um glad we were able to keep this uh feverish pace up and again hope everybody's enjoying it and uh it's all I got really.

[01:31:28]>> All right. Well uh I am jumping of course I haven't really announced this too broadly but I think I said it on our show last week but I'm jumping on the Carnival Glory on Friday. This is Wednesday. Uh you might be hearing the show on Saturday. I might I don't know.

[01:31:42]I don't know what the heck I'm talking about. I'm going on a cruise for three days and I'm going to go see what this non-smoking casino is like on the Carnival Glory.

[01:31:50]>> I heard you were going on America's Cruise Line.

[01:31:54]>> It's America's Cruise Line. Uh I think um another ship came out of dry dock with the crest.

[01:31:59]>> With the crest. That's a bold move, man.

[01:32:01]For America's Cruise Line. America's Cruise Line.

[01:32:04]>> All right, everybody. Uh if you enjoyed the show, please come over to YouTube and drop a comment. And if you hated the show, come drop a comment. We'll straight up fight with you. I can't I was trying to think if there was any nasty comments last week. I think we did get called idiots by somebody like that we were dumb or something, but uh other than that, I don't remember. I don't I don't remember too much negativity, but uh you know, to each their own. Uh one man's idiot is another man's Einstein.

[01:32:28]You know what I mean? Yeah, >> I guess I'll treat that as a roast. We got roasted.

[01:32:32]>> We got roasted. All right, everybody.

[01:32:34]Thank you so much for listening to the show this week. If you want more of Tommy Cassabona, there's a new episode out over on the Always Be Booked Cruising Podcast. that came out this week. Make sure you go check that out.

[01:32:43]You can find me on YouTube at La Loo Loca. And of course, you can find both of us on Cruise Talk with Tommy and Tony. And I guess we'll see you on the next episode.

[01:32:52]>> Thanks for watching. See you.

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