This investigation provides a chilling sociological lens on how systemic neglect transforms urban survival into a calculated, lethal profession. It successfully deconstructs the "serial killer" label by exposing the grim reality of street-level warfare.
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How old were you when you think you did your first? I >> say probably about 14, 15. I always like the guns and getting for free. I never want to work for no brother.
>> So would you say you have a passion for robbing and killing?
>> Yeah, I say I killed about five people in the past two or three years. So I know I'm going to hell.
>> In my conversations with them, they think of themselves as soldiers in a war.
>> How much do these cost? It's anywhere from five to 30,000 depending on who the target is.
>> So would you say there's a lot of guys walking around Milwaukee that have more than three bodies.
>> I know like multiple that got like three four.
>> The FBI defines a serial killer as someone who has murdered three or more people. When we hear that, we traditionally think of white dudes like Jeffrey Dmer or John Wayne Gasey that do freakish things to their victims. But after spending time in some of the most dangerous neighborhoods across America, I've developed a theory. I think there are many active serial killers in the country right now, and most of them are gangsters operating out of the hood. I mean, you've heard of them. The shooter, the guy that loves spinning the block.
We hear about them in rap music all the time. And today, we meet with a guy who claims to be a hood hitman who engages in the business of murder for hire. And after months of facetiming with him, seeing him with new ghost guns nearly every time we speak, and hearing the details about hits that I feel only an insider would know, I suspect this guy might be for real. So, join me today as we step into the mind of an alleged hitman and meet the underground gunsmith who builds him on traceable weapons for the job. But first, folks, a quick word from the sponsor of today's episode.
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All right, folks. Let's go meet this hitman. [music] The guys are just about to get here, but just so you know what's going through my head. To me, one of the toughest parts of the job is knowing [snorts] who's legit and who's not. I've talked to these guys a bunch on the phone. I think they're real at what they say they do, but we're going to figure that out together on this journey. Let's get them.
>> What's up, fellas?
>> What do you go by?
>> Got it.
>> What do you got there?
>> No, just MP with a switch on it.
>> How do you guys feel about doing this interview?
>> Let's do it. We going to see what's going on.
I guess my first question is what made you guys interested in doing an interview?
>> Well, first of all, we want to spread the authentic news about everything. You know, it's a lot of fakers out here.
>> What would you guys describe your profession as?
>> I'm definitely a slacker. That's what we call it where I'm from. You know, I get paid to knock down, take your life, do whatever I got to do. You want to be quiet as >> Where are you Where the are you guys?
What part of the operation are you?
>> Gas. I built the gun, sell the gun.
>> What area do you guys operate in?
>> We all around this mother. I ain't going to lie. We not even just based in the city of We We all around this.
>> How'd you get into this?
>> This all started at a very young age, brother. And it was start with the money, you know, adapting to the environment. a real product of my environment. So before the money came around with this I've been doing this just out of people that don't like me and you know I don't like them.
>> How young did you get involved in the streets?
>> I say early age of like 13, 14 when I really started popping outside with this.
>> What led you becoming a 13, 14y old kid out in the streets >> have what I wanted to have. I only had what I needed. I grew up around this This mandatory. I grew up in a single parent home. I had siblings.
And where was your dad in this picture?
>> I don't know where the hell he was at.
He was one of them disappearing, you know. I don't know.
>> How old were you when you think you did your first shooting?
>> I'll say probably like 14, 15. It's just a night outside. You know, we playing with guns. I see a [music] mother. I want to impress who I'm with. I get to shooting at people. You get what I'm saying?
>> It seems like you have a real passion for guns.
>> Yeah. Been like a gun since I was younger. Like 12 years old. I've been watching videos of gun. I had my dad walk the room before and I had the phone watching people just get shot and killed on YouTube and like that and it wasn't too restrictive.
>> How did you meet Guta?
>> Oh, Gutter, my brother. My blood brother.
>> Your Thanksgiving dinner table are scary as I bet. Dude, >> the first time you were involved in a shooting, was it for money? Was it for free?
>> It was some on the porch. We walking past they trying to walk up to us like, "Y'all ain't from here." type And they didn't know we had pipes cuz we look young. We look like we got pipes. We get yelled at me. So he just want to try to hold around and shoot.
>> Do you know if they died?
>> I don't know.
>> How many murders would you guess you've done over the and over what amount of time?
>> Fought people in the past 2 or 3 years.
>> Tell me how this career started.
>> It started where people know we getting done with the people that we already in with ourselves. [music] These get up so much, you know.
Damn, we need you. We need some help.
You get what I'm saying? This started around 17 and 16 and where the money start coming in about these There's some out here that's scared of people they into [clears throat] it with. There some that's out here not trying to run into them people. They scared to jail.
They don't know how to get away with I do. I do that. You know what I'm saying? We doing this No devices in the car. We covering up. We're doing every every make every >> How do you know who it is that you're taking out?
>> I get a real good study of details before I go out there and just starting with people. You don't know innocent bystanders for no reason. bang the ones that paid for it.
>> Mostly are you taking out other street dudes?
>> Yes, that's 99%.
>> Tell me about your first murder for hire.
>> I think I was like 17, 18. I got six bucks out of it.
>> Is there a particular hit you remember very well?
>> Where some I had sold a guy too.
They didn't want it cuz he's like I want my money back and I'm like, "No, I don't do refunds or nothing like that." So he got snake talking on the phone when they told that. How many guys like you you think there are in each hood around America?
>> It's real normal where we grow up at. I know that never got on social media a day in their life. Jersey numbers 10 15 bodies [clears throat] for no reason. You know what I'm saying?
>> The number you just threw out. What kind of time span are we talking about?
>> 8 [clears throat] years. 8 years.
>> How do you prepare before you go out there? As soon as they tell me who it is, I do my research for about a day or two. And I'm doing all type of Facebook investigations, Instagram investigations, I'm going see exactly who it is before I come over there.
In this city, we CC cap They got all your information on there from when you got locked up, whatever intel your lawyer had, your arresting officers, the judge, your address, your full name, your date of birth, all your information is up there.
>> And would you say the majority of guys that you take out are on CCAP?
>> Yeah, bro. We in the streets. You come and sit at that mother. Look.
>> So, we talked a lot about this happening on foot in front of a house. Do you guys actually ever go into someone's house?
>> Yeah. See, that's a situation where some of these don't like to come outside. So, we got to come in that >> How do you get into someone's house?
>> We kick doors, all type of You You want to play inside the house games?
We'll put a on your ass. That's how is. sleep with that dick all the time. So, you have a honeypot situation?
>> A lot of them. All she want is a little piece of change.
>> Isn't that a pretty big witness at the crime?
>> She ain't going to say she. She know what come with this >> Have you guys ever been shot at?
>> Yeah, a lot of times.
>> You guys ever been hit?
>> I got hit one time. I got hit in my arm.
I got stomach shots, too. But that don't come. That too many years ago. That was before I start saying now, so I don't even believe in that >> What time of day are you doing? House jobs.
>> Anytime. [music] Don't matter. As soon as the money clear, we in route. But what makes you do that rather than say become a welder?
>> I'm a felon, but I can't do all that And then I ain't have a passion for all that growing up. I always like the guns and getting for free.
I ain't never want to work for nobody.
>> So would you say you have a passion for robbing and killing?
>> Yeah, I started robbing at like 12 years old. I still do it to this day. I was stealing out the store with my mama shopping and That's 8y old >> And did your mom encourage that?
>> Hell no. My mama strict as hell. She don't like none of the I do.
>> Can you give us an estimate of how many murder scenes you think you've seen in your career?
>> Hundreds and hundreds.
>> What is the legal definition of a serial killer?
>> A serial killer is a person that kills in a series and not as opposed to like a mass murderer who walks into a school or church and shoots as many people as they can.
>> How many bodies does someone have to have to be considered a serial killer?
You know, I would say you you have to have more than two or three, four.
[music] >> So, this is one of those stories that's really hard to verify. Fentinel dealers, hey, send me the fatol. I can see it on FaceTime. It's easy. Every time I call this guy, he has a new ghost gun. Last time I called him, he had a rapper's chain that he had, I guess, stolen by force at gunpoint. So, he definitely does The question is, are his numbers inflated? So, we're gonna talk to some street guys that I think can give us some clarification that maybe this guy's legit, maybe he's not because I really don't know in this story.
Many men wish death on me. What's up, big dog?
>> Nike take the today.
>> Mhm. What's up, Jay Grits?
>> How you doing, brother?
>> Good to meet you.
>> Okay, you said it before. Uh, how did you label yourself?
>> Uh, street >> I wanted to get a couple >> street >> opinions. No, no, no. I can't.
>> But I wanted to get a couple opinions on this alleged hitman that I've met. If someone wants someone dead, does it make sense to go outside of your click and ask someone that you don't even know to bring, >> you know what I'm saying? That's what I was saying more than like the personal relationship Like they have to really know each other to even put that trust and say, "Oh, I trust bro like you going to really >> and not tail on me."
>> Cuz can't keep their mouth shut anyway. So know about you know. So the chance of someone keeping their mouth shut for 10, 15 plus murders is very unlikely.
>> I ain't never seen like that. Like here I seen n get five and over the course of 20 years.
>> Do you know that to be considered a serial killer that means three bodies or more? So would you say there's a lot of guys walking around Milwaukee that have more than three bodies?
>> I know like multiple mother that got like three, four. What to you are the key parts of having a successful mission?
>> You can't have your identity shown. Wear some some outstanding like wear a wig or some Wear big ass saggy clothes or some like that. Ride out the block, see who in it. I get out the car down the street. We walking up to this and we everybody up on the port. I'm going to make some more money for this next thing.
>> You kill the whole family.
>> We going to them up. It depends, bro. I ain't trying to do to no kids. They also say that when there are witnesses around the guy that has to hit that they also sometimes take out the witnesses. Is that common in a hood hit?
>> Not super common really because there it does happen but killing all of the witnesses is not typical I would say in gang hits because you may there might be 20 people on the street. What you're counting on there is uh the high likelihood that people are just not going to cooperate with the police. For those doubting that somebody can get away with multiple bodies, consider this. In many cities across the United States, the clearance rate, or in other words, the solve rate for murders can be ridiculously low. Especially during the early 2020s COVID period, which was a golden era for getting away with crime.
For example, in recent years, Chicago has had clearance rates as low as 30% and Flint, Michigan as low as 21%. And keep in mind, in gain dominated neighborhoods, these are places that typically don't work with police. So to me, the idea of someone getting away with a few murders while shocking is certainly plausible.
>> If their goal is to remain under detection by killing everyone at a scene, does that not put them at the top of the food pyramid for priority for police?
>> Absolutely, for sure.
>> Let's go further into their tactics.
They say they also outfit their guns with switches when they do that. Is that a good tactic or a dumb tactic? Unless they've gotten military training and know how to handle an automatic weapon, it usually doesn't work out that great for them. You know what I mean?
Automatic weapons are a lot more difficult to deal with than people think. You can do a lot of damage quickly.
>> So, these guys also said that if they're taking someone out, if there's witnesses around that person, that they shoot everybody at the crime scene. Does that sound legit?
>> That's what you're supposed to do.
>> That's what you should do. I mean I mean I wouldn't say you should. I mean, that's it's not what you should do. But if you want to get away, that's away.
>> I feel like that so that that turns a one shooting into a mass shooting.
>> Exactly.
>> You don't think that brings a lot more attention to the scene?
>> It probably do, but it's a murder already. So, what do we care?
>> How much do these cost?
>> It's anywhere from 5 to 30,000 depending on who the target is.
>> What's typical?
>> Typical 10,000. At least be one of the rap That's 10,000 right there.
Your most common client is a rapper that wants another rapper dead.
>> Yeah.
>> Why don't they just do it themselves?
>> Some people feel like they too noticeable. They know me or they scared or uh I ain't trying to go risk my freedom for this You know, it's a it's a ballpark of excuses.
I don't give a what's going on unless I want my money. You know what I'm saying?
>> How do they communicate with you? It's usually through FaceTime because that's [music] the most unrackable thing in this some out of state and I got to go out of state for some But really, it's a pull up, bro. I trapped it up with you.
>> You'll travel out of state to do this?
>> Yeah, but I need a deposit.
>> And you'll do that for 10 grand?
>> I'll do it. Yeah. Yeah. That's free money for me, bro.
>> Can you tell me about the psychological profile of these hood hitmen that are just willing to kill someone for very low amounts of money? In my conversations with them, they think of themselves as soldiers in a war. They don't think of themselves as serial killers. Certainly, they think of serial killers as sexual deviants. I mean, when you grow up in poverty without hope, without, you know, structure in your life and your structure becomes a street and it's violence and that's all you see and that's what you get rewarded for. In fact, [music] I would argue places like the west side of Chicago, the south side of Chicago are war zones in a lot of ways. It becomes glorified inside the community, inside of those tight-knit circles, the people you're looking up to. If you're a 10, 11 year old kid, the guys you're looking up to may be unfortunately, you know, the 17, 18year-old guys and that's what they're talking about. you know, putting this guy down, you know, running up on these guys and that it starts to become and then you see it and and if you grew up in Garfield Park, but and you haven't seen a dead body by the time you're 12 or 13, you are an anomaly. These guys are really, for all intents of purposes are serial killers. That put guys in prison who killed more people than most serial killers.
>> How have ghost guns changed the game in your business?
So, first off, we did this little when I had my CCL, ATF came and took that like a couple months after that. Uh, after that, we got set up for real. So, we just driving down the street. We getting ready to to grow somewhere and But right before we pull up [music] to the mother house, we see police on one side of the street, another on the other side. One of them came down this street and did a U-turn We we pull over. Um and they ass out. We get a we uh trying to hide guns and but couldn't hide them. I mean, if it's on your side of the car, they [music] going to put them on you type It was people in the back seat and in the front, so we couldn't really hide the gun. Well, they took us to uh jail and They took one of the guns they thought was a rare gun. It was an MP with a switch. That mother, it was legal. They ended up letting me out like a a few days to a week afterwards.
They kept the gun and They ain't trying to release no guns to me. And right now, the uh site that I got the FRT from, they ain't selling them no more to the ATF like investigate the device, how it worked for real.
>> But the ATF connected a lot of guns that were using murder weapons to you.
>> Yeah, I had a lot of guns out there in my head. I've got at least over over a [music] thousand guns in my name out there in Texas.
>> What would you do with a gun after a hit?
>> I immediately sell it and be posted [music] before it shined up for like the next day or the same day and it already be sold.
>> They also say they ditch guns and bodies of water or they break the guns down, scramble the parts and resell the different assembled guns to YN's. Do you think that is a good strategy to get rid of the guns? Getting rid of a gun in bodies of water or whatever is generally a good strategy. Reusing them is a less of a good strategy because you know you always run the risk that there's some maybe some common denominator with with a piece that is led back. You know what I mean?
>> What do you think is unique about your approach that has allowed you to stay away from law enforcement? Bro, I got I done got investigated for this before multiple times. But like I said, them phones and the uh hidden identities and camera actions and like that. That be the thing, bro.
>> What do you mean by hidden identities and camera actions >> like don't catch yourself on camera, you know, stupid and then hit with this outfit you never wear again.
I >> always tell people you wear a different size shoe as we run away from the crime.
Forensics, they taking down every detail possible possible. DNA shoe sizes. You know what I'm saying?
>> The guys I'm interviewing say they use ghost guns that they mill themselves, which we watch them do. They never touch the body of their victim. They sometimes wear shoes that are different sizes to each crime. And they never carry a cell phone during the crime. How would you grade their killing strategy? That's a good strategy. You're taking a lot of the forensic stuff out of it, right?
Cell phone towers now are have been for for a long time. If you can track a suspect's cell phone to a scene, that's really good circumstantial evidence based on other factors, weapons, all of that. You know, if all of that is true, then then yeah, there but you could read that in a book. You know what I mean?
You know, I've traveled to a lot of different types of people, cultures.
I've pretty much seen it all in the United States.
>> One observation I've had is that backdooring, you don't find it anywhere else more than in a black hood. People willing to kill each other, willing to rob their friend for like the lowest amount of money. Like, you don't see that in Asian neighborhoods. You don't white neighborhoods. What do you think that is?
>> You want to know something that's crazy?
I'm going bring up an example. Every time I went to jail and [music] like if you observe when the black people come in, the other black people looking at them some type of way trying to find out, oh, this a rat. This a snitch. I'm on his ass. I'mma take something from him. This [music] and that. When the white people come in, they greet their people. They all together chilling. When the Mexican people come in, hey, you good? They helped [music] with their Everybody chilling. I really feel like with black people, it's a jealous everything. We always got AR-15s and micro AR-15s to be specific. We have none of them big ass guns.
>> Why is that?
>> It's the easiest to get around with.
It's concealable.
>> How many guns do you think you've sold in your life?
>> Definitely over 3,000 guns.
>> So, you know your way around guns.
>> Yeah, for sure.
>> If a gun you sell is used in a hit, >> what do you think of a >> Some are used in a hit. I wouldn't say I say about if it just an estimate if it was about 3,000 games I sold I'll say about at least at least 5600 was used.
>> Because of time [clears throat] constraints we cannot show this full video on YouTube. But if you would like to see this whole video raw and uncut on Patreon, use code AR-15 for 50% off your first month on the site. Thank you and enjoy. Now back to the episode. We saw with our own eyes ghost guns and the milling of those guns. Do you think that alone suggests these guys have some level of experience in something nefarious?
>> Yeah. I mean they have other factors like I mean they may could just be trying to impress you, right? But beyond that they may be selling guns, right? They may be convincing people that these are really, you know, something special. So, it could be a scam, but [music] it also may be an active thing that works. So, they they make these guns to sell them.
>> It sounds like you could literally not give a if this ends up being a weapon that someone uses to kill someone with.
>> No, there's many weapons out there. The government sell weapons that that kill people. It just depend on the person.
>> It feels like you kind of have a cold heart towards the world.
Do you believe in heaven or hell?
>> No.
>> Are you scared of going to hell?
>> No. [music] I I I told my mom many times I know I'm going to hell.
>> Why do you say that?
>> Cuz I know a lot of that I did.
>> Do you have any fear of prison?
>> I'm not going to prison. [music] I bang it out with the police. I'm going be reborn. So, >> how old were you when you saw your first dead body?
>> Uh 14. And your home life at this time was all right?
>> Yeah. You weren't being abused.
>> There wasn't any man in the house beating the out of you.
>> A lot of people look at the impact of drill rap on culture and they say that it's a cancer that it's leading to so many murders and deaths and shootings and poverty and up situations. Do you think drill rap is a negative impact on our society?
>> Hell yeah, bro. That play a big ass part cuz everybody want to fit in. Bro, >> if a mom gets killed, if a kid gets killed, an accountant gets killed and a super street guy gets killed, the super street guy is less prioritized simply because he's not as innocent.
>> If this is the murat, he's a really bad guy. It's we really want to solve that because he's likely killed by another really bad guy. And the truth of the matter, however harsh this sounds, if you solve that murder and get the bad guy who killed him, now you've taken two bad guys off the or two bad guys have taken been taken off the street. We're going to get more cooperation if some mom who's walking home with her groceries gets caught in a crossfire. we just are because the even the na even the neighborhoods that don't want to cooperate as much with us are going to be more cooperative because that's wrong on its face where you know if you're living these in some of these really challenged underprivileged neighborhoods and you're just trying to get by life day mind your own business to stay alive and the guy you know who's the bad guy down the street gets shot it's like I mean I've had these very specific conversations with people Like come on, detective. I mean that guy's been a pain in my ass, pain in the neighborhood for years and now he's gone. You want me to put myself at risk to help you out? Would you I mean, you know, like and how do you argue that point?
>> Tell me more about the attitude of like we got to do what we got to do as if like you have no other options. At some point we ain't had no other options. And then it's just at this point now we got some whatever of option but we so deep in this like changing up now what the for cuz it's already what we like doing for real. For real.
[music] So, your neighbors must hear a lot of strange noises coming from your house.
>> Yeah, probably. I don't know.
>> Do you live in situations like duplexes or apartments where you have neighbors that can hear through the walls?
>> A lot of the van I do it in like a closed uh door far back of the house where people can't really hear. And most of the time, I probably do this in the garage just >> Would you feel bad if you killed me?
I wouldn't kill you.
>> Why not? What if someone paid you to do it?
>> I'll killed them for trying to pay for >> my dog. So, obviously, we don't want anyone to die in the filming of this video. So, we're going to do a a recreation. I I asked them to simulate what is a real life call look like if you're negotiating a hit. So, what you're about to see is that No.
What's good?
>> Yo. Yo, what I was going to say? Hey, I got I got a big boo going on. It's a lot of money on the floor right now. I need y'all to meet me at the big house. All right, B. We on the way. All right, B.
Make your way. Be in like 5 minutes.
What's that word, brother?
>> Yo, brothers, what's going on?
You chilling, man? What [music] we talking about today, man? I got action for you, Glory. So, um I've been getting this name dick. This been running off and though cuz but I think he really be at his house. I'm going to show you a picture.
Matter of fact, here you go. Right here. Got a couple of them.
See the whole page on this phone.
Oh yeah, I know him from all the way. You do.
You be We didn't get the address.
>> It's his last name. Say his address right here. So what the Like what what really happened though? I've been getting this on dick, but I've been throwing extras.
Everything that I've been giving the and he ain't paying no pay. He ain't paid back. [music] So how much we talking, man? We talking about about 20 bucks. 20 bucks. How about 25, man? We could do 2250, man. We sticking with the 25 or you going to be done with the burning yourself. 25. You got it. It's all right. Worse. I got you soon. This is the business job. All right. Don't take that money, man. You don't understand.
>> What is it like taking someone's life?
>> It's really normal.
But it's going to be on your mind all the time. When you take a life like same day, next day, your ass don't want to really go outside. You going to feel like weak, like, damn, why I do this to this mother?
>> But you [music] feel regret usually for the day or two after.
>> Yeah, cuz you going to see your family online crying and And some of these people you might not even know you could be related to. Could it happened before?
>> Has there ever been a job that's haunted you or woken you up at night thinking about it?
>> I was going to say woke me up at night, but I do think about all the time.
I be thinking about that sometimes because It was some of these people that I knew personally like you said I was like damn I needed the money. It's back door is a but I [music] grew up around back door ass >> What do you think about that? That somebody's life was worth money for you.
>> I don't think too much of it because they'll do the same to me if they had the opportunity to.
>> What do you see the like next 10 15 years?
>> I see myself in the next 10 15 years at a point in life where we don't got to do this I don't want to live in the United States no more. I got to get the out of here cuz my face is too bad. Lit as hell in another country.
>> Folks, that was a wild episode. I just want to say there's things that I cannot show on YouTube. Texts I've gotten, videos I've gotten, but I feel confident I delivered exactly what we said in the title. I'll just leave it at that.
Appreciate you guys. See you next week.
Peace.
>> [music]
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