Mamdani Is Everything He Claims to Despise - Magatte Wade

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[00:00:27]Mandani's family is one of the wealthiest families in Uganda.

[00:00:29]>> Oh, okay.

[00:00:33]>> I've gone I've gone I've seen, you know, by I've begun by their compound, all of that. I mean, they're, you know, they're just Yeah. So, but that >> he is literally everything he claims to despise, but he's of that. But it is.

[00:00:46]So, so I think that class, that class of people, that style, >> some of it is just comfort. And one of the things about all this stupid communism is it's always been from day one going back to the French Revolution and the Jacabins been the children of the wealthy that come in >> Yeah.

[00:01:07]>> with cockamini world destruction.

[00:01:09]>> That's right.

[00:01:09]>> The Bolsheviks, the Jacabins, the the Red Guard in China.

[00:01:15]>> That's right. You know, Polepot goes to France and sips coffee and and and reads marks and then he goes back and has killing fields. There's something there's a wealth disease problem.

[00:01:27]>> I think it's >> there's definitely a world disease, but there I would put um I would separate two categories in there. Um, for the longest time I asked myself because especially as I've been working my whole life on bringing prosperity to Africa, a few times I had to pause and ask myself, >> do I want all of it? Am I for all of it?

[00:01:48]Because it seems like this prosperity thing has a it's a has a future. It has a future in it that seems to be about becoming complacent and naval gazing and from there all types of craziness starts to happen. Narcissist, narcissism, all of that. and oh, I'm going to save the world, but the way I'm going to save the world is we're going to bring um you know, we're going to fight inequality, so communism has to come back. We're all all these stupid ideas. And it's funny because that one they like to say it's never been done right. So, in a way, it's a license to always try to do it again, which is >> it's never been done right. It's just the closer we get to it, the worse it gets. But there'll be a threshold where it goes from the goologs to to Utopia.

[00:02:27]That's horrible.

[00:02:27]>> But we get to the goologs first every time. But nah but then we'll get to utopia after the goolog.

[00:02:32]>> It's just it just it just h it just it's just horrible. So, so what I mean about the prosperity, a majority of the prosperity of people who become prosperous, you know, their offsprings, what happens is they're the ones you're going to find all of a sudden questioning everything about themselves, including should I was I meant to have two two arms. Literally, there are some clubs where they cut one arm because I don't think it was right for me to be born with two arms, whatever. But, um, you know, when you start naval gazing, it goes all over the place. There's no end.

[00:03:01]>> It is the definition of mental illness.

[00:03:03]I mean, like to be focused on your yourself >> is is an obsessive compulsive mental disorder. Exactly. Like who cares what you feel? Like go look outside, go take a walk, talk to somebody else, >> talk to somebody else. So that's what happens. So a majority of them they just start doing things and in a way they're hurting themselves rather than the outside world. But then you have a smaller group and usually these are the more educated ones and >> they're schooled, they're heavily schooled. Mhm. Mhm. So there's this entire class of people usually elite class who very well educated supposedly they're the ones who basically are basic they have found that to be the voices and the guardians and the shepherds of the poor or the minorities or the less the people among us you know who are not doing so well >> their pets >> the it is I um I'm glad you're saying it because sometimes that's how I talk about it but here I'm like that's how they all talk about it today I'm like got be civilized. But but in a way that's what it is. And so you become their pet.

[00:04:03]>> Look at all my brown pets that I love.

[00:04:06]>> Yeah. Exactly.

[00:04:08]Right. So you have all of Exactly. And they now are the ones their entire capital is that I care capital and they're going to be your voice. They're going to be the ones who come up with um ideas on your behalf. All of that. And what they have found is that it is highly lucrative. You don't have to work that hard. They get into these positions where it's head of an NGO or who knows what else.

[00:04:34]>> You're getting billions from us a for nonsense.

[00:04:37]>> It's insane. And uh and they invade the and they invade our universities um being head of this, head of that, professors, whatever. This is a whole different type of capital. It's the capital that's provided by the powerless among us. I mean, you have this um the critical race theory types are shot through with this this sort of character like Ibramx Kendi >> sort of like two bit second rate like academic ends up with like $30 million at Brown University to run some anti-racism center produces nothing >> just closed with nothing to show for.

[00:05:12]>> No, it's true. It's true. So, I think this is what's going on. So prosperity has a um um yields has a yield.

[00:05:20]Hopefully most people are going to be okay. But out of the people who are not okay and um the out of the people who are not okay, you have you have two camps.

[00:05:28]>> The bigger one is a people who naval gaze and then they start doing all types of crazy. They are harms to themselves for the most part. Yeah.

[00:05:34]>> And then you have the other part smaller but much more um dangerous because they are not looking they're not naval gazing. They're looking outwards and they're involved in things that are going to really going to affect others.

[00:05:48]And when I say others, they're not affecting one or two or three. I mean, these people have caused problems. And in the US, the way I look at it, even you know, this whole issue around um um you know, if you have an issue around the rate of black incarceration and so people can say, okay, we need to work on uh on um criminal justice reform, which is great, right? We do that. But then where some people mess up with our work is well but at the same time people should not be accountable for nothing.

[00:06:17]There's nothing wrong when they kill somebody it's their fault. It's not their fault. When they feel it's not their fault. So you're not willing to do the hard work of work of a person having to work on themselves. All they want is to work on the externalities and everything else. It's not the person's fault. But we all know how that ends.

[00:06:33]And so, but this is all these ideologies, all of that comes from those people who have decided that, oh, we care about blacks and uh it's not right what's happening to them. That's great, but um everything falls apart when they start talking to you about how pretty much anything goes and uh you can't you know, >> so you um you are a powerful force for a lot of things, for a lot of important ideas and you're coming at it from a different perspective. You're an immigrant to this country. you are um from Sagal, you have businesses, you have businesses here and in Sagal. And so you have a really unique perspective on a lot of the things that dominate the conversation today, especially with our kids.

[00:07:14]>> Things like where does inequality come from? Yeah.

[00:07:17]>> Why do countries become rich or poor?

[00:07:19]Why did the why did the white world >> get wealthy? And why didn't the black world >> move alongside it? um how should we think about colonialism and and and these sort of big things that get blamed for all the problems of the world? What is the answer to that argument? Because that argument persists. In fact, if anything, that argument among some people is gaining ground. The mayor of New York City today, his he is from Africa.

[00:07:48]>> Mhm.

[00:07:48]>> Or >> Uganda.

[00:07:49]>> So So he's an African.

[00:07:51]um his father is a Marxist anti-colonialist professor. Why is he wrong?

[00:07:58]>> Or his father is even worse. I mean, I'm going to be reading his book and writing a review on it. But the guy is pretty much making this he's trying to make the argument that Idiamin was actually not that bad. But anyway, let me read the book, get back to you.

[00:08:13]>> Yeah. Yeah. Um, in any case, for the longest time, when I was still a commie, because believe it or not, at some point I was a communist, I used to think that it was because of racism. I used to think it was because of slavery that happened. I used to think it was because of the colonialism and all of that. It all made sense on the surface and vibes wise, it all made sense. Especially when you don't get to hear the other side or anytime they try to say anything, you just discount them quickly by >> you're a racist. Oh yeah, you're racist and of course you're the one who tends to lose if anything changes. So why would I listen to you anyway? So I was basically baking in all of that and I was just crazy. Um yeah and I was convinced that um this was all capitalism. That's why you know and just basically buying into the Marxist ideologies.

[00:09:03]>> So it's exploitation right at the center of it.

[00:09:05]>> It's exploitation. It's exploitation.

[00:09:07]>> There is a certain amount of stuff.

[00:09:08]>> Yeah. If if you over here have more, it is because you took it.

[00:09:16]>> And it's a zero sum world.

[00:09:17]>> Yes.

[00:09:18]>> And that's the reality. It's not like you can create things. In fact, we don't really know where the things came from.

[00:09:24]So that they never have an explanation for how the wealth is there. It's like, well, the whole world's a lot wealthier than we were like 100 years ago. How do you account for that? Did we steal it from Mars? That's always the first thing with the Marxist story. It's like but but we're richer today than yesterday.

[00:09:39]So who's where do we steal that from?

[00:09:41]Exactly.

[00:09:41]>> Exactly. Exactly. But eventually at some point I had to really you know connect the evidence and take colonism which is the biggest one. You take a look at it. Ethiopia has never been colonized. Yet for the longest time it's been the poster child for poverty in Africa. Hm. Conversely, Bosswana has been colonized. And for the longest time, Bosswana has been one of the best performers on the continent. So, I'm thinking to myself, this doesn't add up.

[00:10:08]And Vietnam, look at Vietnam, has been colonized, bombed twice by the French and the the Americans. Those guys have been literally been poisoned, literally.

[00:10:19]And look at Vietnam today coming back up, you know, when it was worse off than most African nations back in the early 60s when we're getting our independences.

[00:10:27]>> Yeah. I think I think I saw Like South A South South Korea was as as poor as a a median African country not that long ago.

[00:10:38]>> No. No. Back.

[00:10:39]>> And now it's basically like a superstate of like high-tech.

[00:10:43]>> There you go. There you go. Singapore um British colony today richer than it colonizer GDP per capita. Hello. So I'm thinking to myself no this calling is something well it you know it sounded very comforting because it's it's always kind of comforting when some it's somebody else's fault and I think maybe even I kind of led onto that and plus the books don't help us history books don't help us the way things are showed to us don't help us in terms of you know >> so that was a first big one for me when I started to you know wake my myself up to these other things and then um you discover that Africa is the region in the world where it's the hardest to do business. That's the region in the world where entrepreneurs have the least economic freedom. This is when I started to look at things like the doing business index ranking of the World Bank at the Frasier economic freedom index and many other indexes like that that basically measure how hard or easy it is to do business anywhere in the world.

[00:11:40]But the minute you say that, you think to yourself, wait a second, you're poor because you don't have money. You don't have money because you don't have a source of income. A source of I'm talking about our population. Our populations are poor because they don't have a source of income. A source of income for us, for most people is a job.

[00:11:53]Where do jobs come from? Businesses, the private sector. So basically, Africa is poor. Africa is a poorest region today.

[00:12:01]Not because we're low IQ, we're lazy, colonialism, slavery, racism, you name it. It's because it's a place in the world where entrepreneurs aka wealth creators are not free to create wealth.

[00:12:18]Why? That is my next question.

[00:12:20]>> Well, that is the interesting question, right? Because you have in in this so to pause for a minute. So, you've got essentially like a continent that got swept up in big government left-wing Marxism.

[00:12:34]>> Yep. I >> mean, Zimbabwe, you know, you go through it and they're all Marxist. That's why I told you it's a village when it comes to these.

[00:12:40]>> Yes, they were all Marxist. Like all of these African leaders >> and like >> Well, why were they all Marxist?

[00:12:49]>> Like why did they all go communism?

[00:12:51]>> Exactly.

[00:12:51]>> And top down crazy control.

[00:12:54]>> Yeah.

[00:12:54]>> Yeah. Like cuz and and and to some extent like and I've that itself is weird because Marx is some French salon German >> racist >> disgusting boilcovered jerk ideology.

[00:13:10]It's an it's an export.

[00:13:13]>> Yeah, he's despicable.

[00:13:14]>> No, I mean it's like a it's like the ultimate colonialism of >> Carl Marx. That's right. That's right.

[00:13:20]You could not say it better. That's why I say um socialism, Marxism is colonialism. That's that's what that's where you know. So I asked the same question to myself once I discovered that first of all I just fell to my knees because you know like the way you fault your niece for again for you know something has been wrong with you. you're not well physically or emotionally and everywhere you go they just bring you they give you bogus reasons or they say take these vitamins whatever and it doesn't work and you know it's not it's not adding up but what else do you know but one day one day you stumble upon this reason and that one makes sense and it checks out and then you're just like wow because having the proper diagnosis is halfway to the solution right it's half the solution well put >> yeah and that's the problem with Africa We have had the wrong diagnosis as to why this continent is still the poorest in the world. Everybody coming up with this stupid reason that I tell you about, it's just >> trillions in foreign aid, crazy schemes from Bill Gates and Jeffree Sachs.

[00:14:26]>> But that's what happens when you believe that those reasons we brought up are the reason why we're poor. If you that's you act on what you believe. And so that's what's been going on. But if you line up a 100 people, like I said again, and you ask them, "Why is Africa a poorest region in the world?" Not one of them will tell you, it's because it's the most overregulated region in the world.

[00:14:45]Not one of them will. As long as that's the case, we have a problem. Because if you don't, if you don't understand that's a problem, then you're not going to work on that. You're working on bringing me aid and all of that crap instead. So once I found that once I found that a huge sense of release came upon me because now I'm like okay now we got at least half of this problem is solved and it's solid. The evidence is solid.

[00:15:09]>> Yeah.

[00:15:10]>> Everywhere in place and in time where you run that software called free market capitalism. Voila. And wherever you're stupid enough to walk away from it Venezuela and other places voila too.

[00:15:23]And it's not a matter of culture. You have people who arguably come from the same root. Yeah. North Korea, South Korea, North Korea, West Germany, East Germany back in the days. Same thing.

[00:15:34]They tried to play with different softwares. Well, the outcome matched.

[00:15:37]>> But why did Africa become so communist?

[00:15:40]>> Well, tell you. Uh, so that's when so at that point, by the way, I became very serious about economics. Now I'm just like I'm like discovering this whole other side of your argument and all of these thinkers who have been thinking about this and measuring this stuff and it's the evidence is so rock solid like I said it's rock solid.

[00:15:58]>> Hernando Dodto William Easterly are two ones in particular for this issue in particular.

[00:16:03]>> I love him. Yeah. And then in my case um I also was helped further by the work of someone like George Aete. He's a Ghanaian economist. I love George.

[00:16:12]>> George is great. I was trying to remember his name because I I met him >> a long time ago at the Oslo Freedom Forum.

[00:16:18]>> Yeah.

[00:16:19]>> And he was >> he's amazing.

[00:16:20]>> He was on amazing. Yeah. We lost him, but uh >> yeah. So George has been one of my intellectual um favors as well. And he went somewhere where no one else had gone when it came to all of these things. uh because what uh so in his case what happened is I was interested in finding out how did we get there and have we always been this way because if you listen to some thinkers who are along the lines of Ubuntu I am because we are it's a very famous you know African philosophy um it's uh then some people try to use that to say that Africans are that we are um communist >> just inherently inherently because it's basically it's it's African communism.

[00:17:06]It's African, you know. Um, but that's what they want to tell you. Someone like Julius Ner of Tanzania want you to think that. But >> it's just like they think it's like a tribal culture thing. It's like going back to the organization of like pre-industrial society. Like what's the what's the argument?

[00:17:22]>> It's more it's more the fact that um and it actually goes back to >> how do I explain this? So it's a philosophy that exists among many African um um cultures because we have many different African cultures. But it's one that is kind of more or less prevalent where you know you know when you say I'm a communist uh in my family.

[00:17:41]>> Yeah.

[00:17:41]>> But and then you know all the way and then I'm capitalist the way I make money and then some in between.

[00:17:45]>> We don't charge our student our our kids rent.

[00:17:48]>> Exactly.

[00:17:48]>> We don't run write contracts between between us inside the family. But then >> but that's cuz we have other ways of dealing with that.

[00:17:55]>> Exactly. So some people took a look at that and conflated it with real communism or Marxism, right? That's a big mistake. Does it mean that we don't tend to leave like you know like we're very strong in community? Yeah. But I think around the world people have been strong on community especially traditional societies, right? Uh but in in Africa, George was very good at um making that distinction and showing that it has nothing to do uh with uh being Marxist or being, you know, um communist. So in our case in Africa what happened is I will tell you what happened and how we ended up there. So George first of all through his work he's showing you that pre-colonial Africa and that's to me the the the the point that matters.

[00:18:39]We were living a life as Africans.

[00:18:41]Slavery was going on but we know it was going on everywhere and then eventually there is colonialism right? Um, so for me the marker should start at colonialism. But for most people when they think about Africans they in their mind they think about the few hundred years of slavery before and then colonism and that's it. They don't think about they don't think that there's a difference between slavery and colonism simply because slavery was the way of the world. That's people were trading people just this was another trade. So for me that I don't put it in the same bucket because um even in times of slavery it turns out many African nations and tribes were practicing um free markets and um the the enterprise system was working right.

[00:19:33]Humans were people things to sell like you know truck and barter is natural it is horrible but it was that so but people always confuse everything confuse those two times. So I like to tell people go to pre-colonial Africa. That's what is is of interest to me.

[00:19:46]Pre-colonial Africa. Who were we? What were we doing? Were we these so-cal these communists that you claim we we inherently are? George's work shows we were not we were not. And that was great to me. But but then I'm then I think to myself then what happened?

[00:20:00]>> Yeah.

[00:20:00]>> What happened? How do we go from this to becoming this? So all most African nations were getting their independences in the late 50s, early 60s. Ghana is the one who went first in 57 but um they so George was very good at saying hey remember what was going on during that time wasn't it wasn't it the height of ideological battle between two factions right on one end the west um the birth of the cold war >> exactly and captism being their economic system facing over the east the cold war right that's what this is the time we were in and now think about this you know India Gandhi has, you know, there was this air wave, you know, this vibes of freedom in the air, you know, this the biggest uh colony about to be freed, you know, or already freed from the um biggest colonizer in the world, Britain.

[00:20:53]And you know, Africans were looking at this and you know, the African liberators, them too being like, you know, galvanized, you know, we're we're going to get there. And so you had this great battle of influence going on from the from from you know from the from the cold war and they're looking for influence down south you know this sovereign nations I guess and us think about it so you're in this time where no respectable intellectual all respectable intellectual we're Marxist socialist >> right >> all the universities all the all the high IQ people yes >> were bought into the slavery ideology ology wrapped up >> in >> with a boil covered disgusting person.

[00:21:34]But still like, oh, but it's it's sharing and caring. Sharing and caring.

[00:21:37]So, infantile child ideology, mass murder time.

[00:21:40]>> That's right.

[00:21:41]>> I'm not being charitable. It doesn't deserve charity.

[00:21:44]>> Hundreds of millions of dead. But >> no, it's it's it's insane. But that was that's the I think people need to just go back and be sitting in those shoes, right? So, this is what's going on. So, all the intellectuals are Marxist socialist.

[00:21:58]>> All of the media. all the media, all of them. Um, the Marxist traditionally back then have been the ones who have been fighting for racial equality in times when it was not there.

[00:22:11]>> Although Marx was a known racist, but that's a whole another conversation, I guess. But there's a there's an angle of um >> always >> I mean one thing one thing that people don't really appreciate if they don't know this history is that in the battles in Europe between fascists and and communists the communists you can actually see this in the movie Das Boot >> the com there there's a there's a Nazi character in that movie. I just remember this because it was so striking >> and he's talking to somebody. It's in Germany. It's like a German I vaguely remembering the movie but I remember this part exactly. I don't know if it was like a like a a yubot or something in Germany. I forget. But basically, there's a Nazi soldier who's talking to another younger soldier and he says, "Oh, I used to be a communist. I used to believe in freedom and liberty and all of that."

[00:22:58]>> Yeah.

[00:22:58]>> Like that was sort of the way they thought of themselves as global liberators. Like, oh, I'm I'm for freedom. Y >> it just, you know, it's incoherent, but like no, I want us all to be liberated from from oppression, from property rights, from from reality. I want utopia.

[00:23:15]>> Yes. Yes.

[00:23:16]>> But they did think they were freedom fighters.

[00:23:18]>> They totally did. And that's the point they they're especially that freedom fighter thing >> and always latching themselves onto very real uh and um legit grievances. Yeah.

[00:23:31]Whether it's coming from women or coming from, you know, minorities based on skin color. Yeah. You name it.

[00:23:37]>> Whatever alphabet you want to, whatever bipac thing, whatever you want to do there.

[00:23:41]>> Oppressed. The market.

[00:23:42]>> If you're not me, basically.

[00:23:43]>> Yeah. You forget it. You're >> I mean, I'm Italian, but that's never mind.

[00:23:47]>> Italians. No, >> I'm Roman. We're super We're turbo empire.

[00:23:50]>> Yeah, you got the double you got the double whammy there. So, yeah, I would hide who I am. I'm just kidding. You know, so so yeah. So intellectuals, everybody, like you said, media, everybody, academia, everywhere. Um um Marxist socialists, the Marxist, the Marxist of the time have been the one fighting for equal, you know, um for racial equality.

[00:24:10]>> On top of that, um here they are trying to find influence, you know, among people like us, the Soviet.

[00:24:16]>> But remember, Yeah. But remember that people like us, the African liberators, all of the Africans, think about it. Put yourself in their mind. They're right about to they're at the height of a liberation battle for their respective nations, right? And you put yourself in their heart, they'll probably be full of resentment and hate and who can blame them for all of these things. And they're saying, "Oh, surely you who colonize us, usually the Westerners, you think we're going to side with you? No way. To hell with you."

[00:24:52]>> And so >> we're going to go with your enemy, the Soviet.

[00:24:54]>> Exactly. So at that most critical time of our history in that little section of time as we were gaining our independences at different years but again still within the cluster of years in that period one by one by one by one the first leaders of these liberated free nations you know the end of colonialism we are starting out with Marxist socialists of various um uh intensities.

[00:25:25]I uh there's a book that I know you're aware of, The Beautiful Tree by James Tulie.

[00:25:30]>> He tells a similar story. He's a Brit.

[00:25:32]He was an he was one of these high IQ academic types, mucky mucks that think they're so great, right?

[00:25:40]>> And so, of course, he's a communist and he goes down to Zimbabwe to work for Robert Mugabi.

[00:25:44]>> Yeah. For Mugabi, >> who's a Marxist.

[00:25:46]>> Yep. Yep. That's right. They all are.

[00:25:49]>> So, like Yeah, they all are. They were all They were all communist.

[00:25:51]>> They all are. Even the ones because then you'll get it sometimes I'm sure and some of the people watching us are going to be like no um Nigeria was that comm was that a communist whatever. I'm like even Nigeria yeah they can say they were doing um some they were not socialist supposedly but even in Nigeria they're still doing um fiveyear you know central planning Soviet style. I'm like okay so I'm sorry but anyway so that's the in the best case scenario. Do you know that in my country still the the the the state decides on the price of bread?

[00:26:21]>> Did you know that?

[00:26:22]>> What could go wrong?

[00:26:23]>> Yeah. What could go wrong? And so it's just insane. So that's pretty much uh John, what happened to us? And the problem is we've never So here we are.

[00:26:34]What has been imported, like you said, it's this ideology that couldn't be farther away from who we truly were and what we've been practicing before we started being medded with through colonialism.

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