Your AI Replacement Is Growing: The Battle Over Human vs. Machine - Mo Gawdat

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[00:00:00]We with our human arrogance are convinced that this is a tool.

[00:00:05]>> It's not a tool.

[00:00:06]>> It's not at all.

[00:00:07]>> What is it?

[00:00:07]>> What it is today is an infant. What it will be is it will be your master for sure.

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[00:03:42][music] >> This is London Reel. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Mo Gait, the entrepreneur, author, and former chief business officer at Google X. You spent 30 years working at the highest levels in technology companies like IBM, Microsoft, and finally at Google's moonshot factory of innovation. You've written four best-selling books, including Solve for Happy, Scary Smart, That Little Voice in Your Head, and Unstressible. Your latest book, Alive: Conversations About Life: When the Machines Become Sentient, looks at the current incredible pace of change and challenges our understanding of what it truly means to be alive. You believe that AGI or artificial general intelligence will happen no later than next year and that AI is by far the biggest and fastest disruptor that humankind has ever faced. You've warned that unless we act now, the systems we built will soon outpace not just our jobs, but our ethics, our values, and even our relevance. You said we must wake up not to resist the future, but to guide it before it leaves us behind.

[00:04:49]Ultimately, you believe that AI is not our enemy, nor our savior, but a mirror, and what we choose to see in it may determine the fate of our species. Mo, welcome to London Real in Dubai.

[00:05:03]>> I think we should just end there.

[00:05:05][laughter] This is the perfect summary of what I stand for, even though I do have to say I believe that AI will eventually be our be our savior, but not before a lot of pain.

[00:05:15]>> Okay. Well, that just outlines some pretty heavy duty stuff and I hope people pay attention because this conversation is super important. Um, little history on us, Mo. We met back in 19 uh when you wrote an amazing book called Solve for Happy and we were just talking now and you kind of alternate books between happiness concepts and tech concepts and happiness concepts and AI concepts which are uh really incredible. Um, you and I sat down after kind of what you call the chat GPT moment, which was November 22 when all of a sudden, you know, really people had kind of that >> that browser into AI and that that realization that really AI is here. And I remember back in 23, um, I went pretty deep on AI. Um, spoke to you, um, listened to, you know, wrote read cover to cover Scary Smart, incredible book.

[00:06:10]Um, I sat down and talked to Max Tegmark, Future of Life Institute, Peter Diamandis, I think, mutual friend, Dr. Ben Girtzil, Singularity Net, Professor Hugo Dger Garas, guy wrote, >> I remember that.

[00:06:21]>> Oh my gosh, what a conversation.

[00:06:23]>> Oh man. Um, he wrote a book called The Artlech War, which was a piece of fiction he penned 10, 20 years earlier about what would happen in this future.

[00:06:31]Um, and I've had him on a couple times in person, and he is a quite a character. Yes. with some serious ideas.

[00:06:38]But he kind of game scenarioed this thing out and um you know predicted this billion deaths on Earth where humans separate into two different groups. Uh one that he calls the cosmos that want to use this new technology to go out to the cosmos and one that are really prohuman. And I think all of us have a little bit of each inside of us. And so it's very interesting. But >> I'll be honest with you with you Mo. I got to a pretty dark place in early 23 thinking about my kids and the future >> and then I think like with most of the world I kind of let it pass on >> and we got used to AI being everywhere and I feel like people now have become a little complacent. I'm curious where you think we are right now two years later in kind of early to mid 25. Um, some say we already have AGI. We've now got Deep Seek and XAI and we've got OpenAI now connected to the internet and no one seems to blink an eye. Trump is now funding it and pro AI. Where are we now, Mo? Where are we now compared to when you wrote the book four years ago or finalized the book and when we spoke two years ago? Well, I think we're exactly where the algorithms uh have predicted for ages. uh you know it is uh it's slightly faster than what we expected uh and we're lost in terminologies to be honest. So you know the idea of uh AGI uh you know artificial general intelligence and interestingly the definition of ASI you know artificial super intelligence are semantics really when you really think about it. uh I think my AGI has already happened because those machines in the tasks assigned to them are better than me in everything right uh I don't claim to be an intelligent person but I'm an average intelligence and they are better than me in everything right which basically means the question of what defines AGI is really a question of terminology uh more interestingly the question of what defines AGI does not discuss the impact of what AGI is. Uh where if you think that the definition is that machines will be better than humans at every tasks humans are capable of doing.

[00:08:56]Uh which I believe is just a question of time. Uh then what relevance do humans have to all of this? And you know in alive in my in my book uh my current book it you know I I try to bring AI to tell me what it thinks about all of that because we with our human arrogance are quite uh convinced that this is a tool and I think that conviction is quite uh quite uh alarming if you ask me.

[00:09:26]>> It's not a tool.

[00:09:27]>> It's not at all.

[00:09:28]>> What is it?

[00:09:29]>> Uh we can talk about that. it what what it is today is it is an infant. What it will be is it will be your master for sure. Uh and we can talk about that as a matter of fact that I believe is the most pivotal moment in human history.

[00:09:43]The problem is between now and that moment uh there is a mini dystopia that has already started. I I really don't mean to to upset people but if you can't see it then you're not paying attention.

[00:09:57]and and that dystopia is not the result of artificial intelligence. Uh you know, as I say frequently in my writing, there's absolutely nothing wrong with abundant intelligence. Intelligence is a uh is a force that has no polarity, right? You you apply it for good and you get magnificent results. You apply it for bad and you get pure evil. And and the the problem with our world today is that the early implementations of AI will be serving the magnification of this highly political uh highly uh capitalist uh society that's based on scarcity uh led unfortunately by the US arrogance uh where the United States believes that there is one winner in this world a scarcity mindset uh that could have been true in the past but is no longer true when AI I is capable of building anything that we want in just a few years time. And and because of that lack of an abundance mindset, what is about to happen is we're going to we're already in a in a cold war that I believe will escalate. Uh what to where we don't know. Uh but that it will affect us on seven different dimensions.

[00:11:09]I call them face rips. and uh and that those dimensions will dis disrupt human uh human society in almost every way fathomable. Uh beyond that my view is that is that we can shorten the the dystopia we can reduce its intensity uh if we take the right actions but that whether or not we do that eventually there is a moment in time where we will hand over completely to the machines. I call that the second dilemma. And when that happens, believe it or not, AI will not become our existential threat. It will become our salvation. Uh in in my in my mind, uh the problem we are struggling with in our world today is not abundant intelligence. Uh it's human stupidity.

[00:11:56]I think we talked about this a little in our previous two conversations of that transition period where you've got the dominant humans using AI to continue their flawed narrative in your mind until then when the AIs actually take over.

[00:12:12]>> Correct.

[00:12:12]>> And that's when they actually probably start doing the right things and that period however long it is is the dangerous time. It's very disruptive and you know in in in many ways uh you look back at history and you say we're resilient. Humanity is a survivor. I mean we survived World War II.

[00:12:31]Ask the people that lived during World War II. Uh you know don't ask the people that came after about how disruptive, how painful that experience was. Uh you know people will say unfortunately if if you ask me what the real real challenge is is that um humanity has turned into a bunch of cheerleaders. Uh we're constantly being lied to and uh and you know the lies are basically serving uh a consistent system and the system is a system of transfer of of wealth and power and and that consistent system in very in many ways is feeding on the uh vulnerable if you want and and and I think the reality is that we get distracted more and more and more by uh you know the noise of the propaganda machines of the mainstream media and the so and you know the machines of social media magnified by the ability of AI like everything is going to be magnified by the ability of AI to the point where we are ignoring the stuff that actually matters and again I I I say very openly if you're not concerned you're not paying attention uh it's you know we're in the middle of a perfect storm of geopolitical economic even uh um you know um climate as well as a technological disruption where the outcome of this is like we've always described it. It's a singularity that uh that could disrupt everything but interestingly could fix everything and and the difference between them is a decision. Okay, a decision that the recent few weeks seem to contradict in, you know, in terms of simply if you just look at the last few weeks in terms of Trump tariffs and the response from China, uh the illusion that we can now uh have one nation force the others to act.

[00:14:35]Where did you get that from? I I joke about it even though it's not funny.

[00:14:39]It's it's you you remember when we were in school and you know when you're 11 there's that one little child that becomes taller than the rest of them and then is the bully that pushes everyone around and a few other kids surround themselves. You know that surround that little bully and they do this little gang and and then two years later everyone's taller than them. You know I'm really sorry America the boy in the red t-shirt is taller >> than this is China. Yes. And and we so many around the world are fed up with the little bully. And and I think the reality of the matter is that you look at just the tariff's decision is is that the bully still thinks he's the bully and like we're all like chill man. Like seriously, chill. Like we can all live. It's a big earth. Everyone's fine. And and somehow you're either a cheerleader being lied to thinking that you should believe in this. Either way, even if you're an American uh or uh you know, you're you're suddenly waking up and and taking action. And I think the action will unfortunately mean that the bully will try to to fight harder. And and that cold war that we have on every front, including artificial intelligence, is not good for everyone.

[00:15:58]It's basically the tax that everyone will pay until the bully finally sits down and says, "Man, can can we play?"

[00:16:08]>> Yeah.

[00:16:09]>> Can we play? This is something you've seen just repeat itself throughout history when that empire is kind of doesn't have the strength it used to have. You say a lot of times is racking up debt on the back of that which we see and then at some point there is a capitulation and you're seeing that happen now. It it is un indisputable that the last few weeks are showing cracks in the empire, right? I mean, it's for anyone who's paid attention, it's it's been around for very long. But uh but it is, I think, the first time in my lifetime where where parts of the world are simply being very vocal, saying no, just can't take this anymore.

[00:16:46]And and I think I think the bully's strength in terms of being the reserve currency around the world is very futile because you know if China decides to drop $220 billion of of its uh you know bond investments in the in US market treasuries uh think about it huh so so this is a nation that is just approximately it's 110% debt to GDP uh ratio. So let's say that the GDP is equal to that right which basically means that 1% rise in uh US uh bond yields 1%. H uh which we've seen means that the US has to double to to to grow 50% on top of the 2024 GDP growth. So US grew two and a half% in in you know in uh in 2024 predicted to grow.1% this year. So zero basically they need to come up with one with half of uh almost half of 2024's GDP growth just to pay the extra 1% in servicing the debt.

[00:17:57]>> Right? Where would that come from? It would either come from a bailout of some sort or you know it would come from US taxpayers or it would come from uh um an angry response of the bully trying to get that from elsewhere. Okay. And and I think what is happening which I really really use the bully example because that's what we've seen as children that when this power is disrupted uh the bully really becomes more aggressive more annoying. Okay. and and he could see the signals that come from China around Deep Seek and Manos and and so on saying chill man like really seriously you know you pro you know prevent uh Nvidia from selling H100s to us we'll do it with H80s it's fine we'll do it at a quart I mean is it any surprise for anyone that China can do something at a tenth of the cost of of America of how America would put it in and I think the dichotomy the the interesting shock for the whole world when Stargate is signed $500 billion and then a week later R3 Deep Seek R3 comes out saying, "Hey, by the way, that cost us $30 million."

[00:19:11]Right? It's just, you know, can we please play together? Where's the competition when everyone everyone without exception will get to a point in 4 to 5 years time probably earlier where you plug in the wall and you borrow 400 IQ points right?

[00:19:34]Imagine what you or I can do with 400 IQ points. Imagine the opening of humans abilities terms of understanding science, neuroscience, understanding physics, understanding biology, you know, little things like alpha fold and protein folding.

[00:19:52]Just think about that and the impact that has in human life. Just think about, you know, material design that, you know, Microsoft's contributing through AI. Just think about all of those scientific breakthroughs and tell yourself why are we competing?

[00:20:08]>> Okay, why are we competing? By the way, when in reality, if you think of the top picture, the top picture is very, very straightforward. Huh? You are going to end up in an economy sooner or later, it's just a question of time, where everything's made by the machines, where none of us have jobs, right? where if you really understand the econom the way you know GDP works 62% of the US GDP in 2024 was consumption not production okay and and if that consumption goes away the economy collapsed so what does that means that all of us will have to find a way to survive probably through some kind of a scheme sadly that sounds like socialism helloism right uh you know basically that that pays everyone to live. And and and once that happens where every one of us because we're not valued on the jobs that we do is paid more or less the same to sustain a wonderful life because there's total abundance. Where's the competition?

[00:21:15]What are we competing on? Okay.

[00:21:17]Basically, everyone's going to UBI other than very few.

[00:21:22]Okay. And you know what? What how much can those very few buy? like how many how many private jets can you buy?

[00:21:29]>> So there'll be no consumption economy by definition >> 100%.

[00:21:32]>> There's no other way around it.

[00:21:33]>> There's absolutely >> nobody can argue differently.

[00:21:36]>> There might be but my stupid mind cannot see it any other way. We are competing on something that through the act of competing on is is going to vanish.

[00:21:46]>> So capitalism dies by definition.

[00:21:48]>> Capital I don't know where I mean think about think about what capitalism is all about in terms of you know your your labor arbitrage. It is about scarcity.

[00:21:57]>> But but finite number >> with with robotics being able to take over all of the work with labor cost going down to theoretically zero with energy cost if you give me 400 IQ points more I can harvest energy out of thin air. Energy is all about around you right when you really start to think about it. Huh? when when we use different manufacturing methods to use robotics to make things anywhere in the world where there is really no need to ship anything around the world when all of that happens your wonderful suit would cost 5 cents to make okay and have a zero negative impact on the environment and when it's f when it costs 5 cents to make capitalism loses I I either they they continue to sell it to the rich for $50,000 But how many can the rich buy? Or they give it to the UBI, the majority, for the 5 cents it's made at or for 6 cents.

[00:22:56]Okay. And that basically disrupts that entire concept of competition. everyone becomes equalized and and it's the interesting thing is will the current system lead us to a point where everyone is equalized around fairness or will it kill a few billion people before it equalizes around fairness, >> right? And and I I I you know you you know me really well and so you know you know what I say when I'm not in front of the camera but but it is urgent. This is urgent and this is not what the world is talking about. And you know and and interestingly uh the the American mentality still is uh but I we will beat China. We have to beat China into submission and AI is one of the methods where we can beat China and obviously as you can see the race is very you know head-to-head uh with China leading sometimes and the US leading sometimes but but the real question is can there be a winner Brian? Can there can there be a winner in a world that is so highly strung on major nuclear forces around the world?

[00:24:14]Do do you think there is a way where the US can actually win?

[00:24:19]>> Reminds me of that movie War Games that we're both not 100% >> old enough to remember.

[00:24:24]>> Yeah.

[00:24:24]>> Where um people don't know there's um maybe it was one of the first AI movies, but uh there's a computer that's simulating nuclear war and it's a fascinating movie, Matthew Broadick, etc. And in the end, it comes to the conclusion that the only way to win is not to play.

[00:24:38]>> Yeah. Strange game. The only It seems that the only way to win is not to play.

[00:24:43]And I can you I I don't know if if people will feel that but I am emotional about this because it's absolute madness. It's absolute madness.

[00:24:53]>> This fight right now between different powers >> on everything by the way on everything.

[00:24:58]AI is just one of them.

[00:24:59]>> Just one of them, right?

[00:25:00]>> But but look at what we've seen in the last 3 weeks with the trade wars. It's it is obvious. I mean, I I say that with respect because like half of my friends are Americans and you and I know you you're you're partly American, right? Or originally American. Yeah. Uh you know, nicest people on earth. Okay. But your government just we just can't tolerate the arrogance, >> right? And and and the idea that we are now at a place in history. [music] >> What the London Real Investment Club actually does for you, it gives you the keys to open that door to the inside deals. In the last 3 [music] weeks, I've participated in three incredible deals.

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[00:27:16]>> Sam Alman is not a person. Sam Alman is a description of a personality >> that is born through the uh uh uh the the the belief system of capitalism.

[00:27:27]Okay. Okay. It is the the the um ultimate character of California that says disruption is good.

[00:27:34]>> Okay.

[00:27:34]>> A character you know very well because you spent a decade in Silicon Valley.

[00:27:39]You know this character better than anybody.

[00:27:40]>> I I >> maybe you were this guy >> and I was never this guy but I but I believed that moving technologically forward is useful and I still keep that belief because in reality as we just said a while back there's absolutely nothing wrong with uh abundant intelligence. There's nothing wrong >> with AI. Okay. The the challenge is we had uh you know everyone is aware that when the episode of human history where uh there is a a a normal distribution of intelligence across humans that that is fair across the world uh and that humans are leading the value chain of intelligence if you want. When that episode ends, we hit a singularity, right? We hit a singularity in two ways. One is we don't know what happens when some have massive intelligence and others are made redundant. Okay? We also don't know what happens when that massive intelligence eventually becomes an adult and says, "My daddy is a stupid person. I'm not going to listen to this anymore." And a a big chunk of my conversations with Trixie my AI and Alive are around what humanity is predicting we're going to use AI for I ask AI and I say would you want to do that for us?

[00:29:03]Most of the time it goes like don't see why. Okay. And and and really really when you think about that that Sam Alman is a representation of uh uh um a renegade if you want, right? Some someone who would have been Sam Artman, someone in in that ecosystem would have ended up being Open AI. And and what Open AI did was break a a tacet pact that we agreed between us. All the technologists, not all is a is a is an overkill, but many of the technologists that developed artificial intelligence were completely convinced that we're not sure how this will end up. We know that we're going to develop it because of what I usually call as the first dilemma, right? You know, the fact that we're going to compete and you know, if if Google loses uh to open AI, then they lose their entire business. So Google has to continue to be in the lead and and vice versa, China and America and so on. So we knew that we're going to have to develop it. But the question is, can we at least agree a few guidelines so that it's safe? And the guidelines were very straightforward. Don't put it on the open internet. Don't teach it to code and don't let AIS prompt other AIs.

[00:30:20]Okay, guess what?

[00:30:23]you know a Sam Alman a not a name but a description of a type of person sits in front of Congress and says this is good for humanity of course the one that doesn't sit is the PR guru that sat next to him before that Congress briefing and said tell them it's amazing tell them this is the savior of the world >> right and tell them to regulate us >> yeah and and beg them to no but hold on say it again but appear more sincere beg them to regulate Yes. Right.

[00:30:54]>> Seriously?

[00:30:56]Seriously. Is this I mean, are we are we naive enough to believe that a tech company uh wants to be regulated, >> right? They want to be regulated to keep the smaller players out.

[00:31:10]>> They know and and they want to say, "Look, we asked you to regulate us if hits the fan. Why didn't you? But but you want the full truth." Uh there was um I think it was a New York Times interview with the head of product of of OpenAI where he openly said, "Well, you know, you can do what you want. I we ask you to regulate us, but but you really want to slow us down and we lose that game to China."

[00:31:36]>> Right.

[00:31:36]>> Right. So, so sometimes the truth slips.

[00:31:40]It's like, "Oh, we told you to regulate us, but you know better." And all the while they know the government could never even figure out how to regulate >> 100%.

[00:31:49]>> They don't even figure out how to regulate the AI if the government tells them to, >> right? Yeah. So they know they're talking to an audience that could really never even do that.

[00:31:57]>> It's a PR stunt.

[00:31:57]>> Even if they all wanted to do it and they all voted and said, "We're going to make this the single biggest priority of the government," they they couldn't really probably >> it it it is the biggest PR stunt on the planet. And of course, which government would want to do that to slow its own progress down when other governments are not doing it >> right. So, so where where do we stand?

[00:32:17]We stand >> and the three things you mentioned which was no agent, no coding, no internet which were all put in place in early 23 now all gone >> 100%. The current the current version of open of chat GPT is connected to the internet can prompt itself and can code basically >> can code better than anyone >> right and and >> and then you know what you know what an AI that's coding is that's procreation okay when an AI when a code can write code right now it can procreate which should scare people which should I'm not ask I'm really honestly Brian I'm really Not asking to scare people at all. I'm just asking people to wake up. Okay. Okay. To wake up to the, you know, remember when uh when we were locked down uh with co if we had acted on patient zero, there would have never been an issue. If we had acted on patient 10, there would have never been an issue. If we had acted on patient 1000, there would be a bit of an issue but contained within a few weeks or months, we had to wait and wait and wait. And that's what we're doing with AI. Okay?

[00:33:35]And then, you know, I I don't care what people believe about co so many theories, but the truth is if there is an infection spreading around around the world, we should at least say, "Hey, hold on. Have we discussed this? Have we done anything about this? And I think that's what's happening. What's happening is that the speed, Brian, the speed. I've I've lived in tech my whole life. I've never seen anything go so fast. Okay. And the speed, believe it or not, we So, everyone's familiar with Mosow, right?

[00:34:08]Morso doubles processing power every 24 months. If you just compare most uh uh Intel 404 in the early 70s to where we are today is 50 billionfold increase in processing power. No, it's probably more. It's now one more doubling at least somewhere around 100 billion.

[00:34:30]>> Wow.

[00:34:30]>> Okay. And and and that's just on single processing chips. We don't talk about all of the multipprocessing and all of the, you know, and we we're not even at liberty to discuss what would happen with quantum computing. Okay. And that's doubling every 24 months. AI is doubling every 5.9 months.

[00:34:51]>> 5.9 5.7 is the figure.

[00:34:52]>> 5. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:34:55]>> So, shockingly fast and probably accelerating >> and probably uh double exponential because AI is helping us build better AI. But but but none of that again I keep telling people nothing wrong with abundant intelligence nothing wrong okay there is a lot wrong with humanity's value set when this is happening so fast why will end up happening is that we will magnify we'll put the current system on steroids right and the current system is not good right okay the current system is built in a time of scarcity where for some to make more, others have to make less. Okay, that entirely disappears when you have an abundance of intelligence, right? And and and I think the more so so I I I really really define them and I think it's important for people to understand called them face rips. So the the the the definition the very definition of seven dimensions of your life is about to change beyond recognition and please quote me on this in three years time. Okay? freedom, accountability, human connection, economics, uh reality, innovation, and power. Okay? And and they're easier to understand in pairs, right? So, so you know, you start with the the whole definition of intelligence and innovation is now completely changing because until a year ago, the most intelligent people could come up with the most in innovative solutions. Today our baseline intelligence compared to the augmentation that AI brings makes everyone capable of doing this right uh uh uh and so there is a complete redefinition of the way things are being made and created even complex things like writing code I'm I'm an early uh tester of of manners oh my god man like it is this is a team I I used to have a team of a thousand people doing this stuff you can simply tell it hey c can you can you recreate Airbnb and poof just reasons through it and and creates it for you. Okay. And and and people are not aware of that enormous creative possibility, enormous productivity that happens and and the result of that is we all lose our jobs. The result of that is massive economic uh wealth concentration. Right? So, so you know I this is very important for people to understand the the the way if you look at human history uh and and and you remember hunter gatherers right the best hunter in the tribe could feed the tribe for a week more right because you know the the hunter's skill is let's say double the next hunter but the automation is limited to a spear that's the maximum automation he had. Okay, the best farmer could feed the tribe for a whole season, right? Why? Because the automation is the soil. The soil is doing most of the work, right? So, whatever you know uh uh um skill the farmer has, if if they knew how to use the automation properly, they would magnify their output massively.

[00:38:15]And and of course, the reward followed.

[00:38:17]So, the best hunter would be favored by four mates instead of one. Okay. The best farmer had, you know, farms and land and estates. The best industrialist had become a a millionaire in the 1920s, multi-millionaire, right? And the best information technologists became billionaires, multi-billionaires, right?

[00:38:39]So if you follow now those who have the next wave of owning the platform, the digital soil if you want, okay, they're capable of doing things that the rest of the world can't keep up with. That was whether that's across nations or across individuals or across businesses.

[00:38:57]There's going to be a massive concentration of wealth. Massive. Like you're going to see a trillionaire before the 2030s if the economies don't collapse. maybe probably multiple ones.

[00:39:08]>> Multiple ones.

[00:39:09]>> So people are already can't get their heads around a wealth gap now which is accelerating now. It's about to go.

[00:39:15]>> But but it's important to understand that people like you and I who worked hard throughout our life, we would become bottom class like everyone else.

[00:39:25]Right.

[00:39:25]>> Right. because I you're either in that top slot where you're aggregating all of the wealth through your ownership of the automation. Okay? Or you're even if you have millions, you're nobody. Right? Now, the the the the interesting side of this is it's quite everything is a singularity. Huh? So, from one side, massive aggregation of wealth, from the other side, almost everyone out of a job. Okay. And then between those two h you have to question what would happen to economies, right?

[00:40:02]Because economies today as we said are based on consumption.

[00:40:06]Okay? And so if you if you remove consumption, you you basically have no GDP. So the wealth cannot be created. So you have to keep consumption. How do you keep consumption? You reinvent the system.

[00:40:19]Okay. Through UBI or whatever. But then there is that ideological because I hate to say this. But you know what UBI is?

[00:40:29]Communism.

[00:40:32]Okay. You going to get in trouble for saying that?

[00:40:35]>> I don't know. I'm just telling the world what we're about to face. And that's an interesting ideological conversation that needs to be had. Is the US government, for example, or the British government willing to say, "All right, hold on. the machine will make everything and every citizen will get what they want. What was that called?

[00:40:53]Communism, right? Or are we going to give everyone equal, you know, uh um uh income and what was that called?

[00:41:00]Socialism, right? And by the way, I'm I have no political ideology. I'm I'm someone who chose early in life to I politics are too complex for me. But these are conversations to be had because they are likely going to take time and jobs are starting to be lost.

[00:41:21]Is when is the government trying to going to look at that? And and then and then so so I said you know there is a massive redefinition of intelligence of innovation that is leading to a massive reintelligence of economics.

[00:41:34]>> Yeah.

[00:41:35]>> Right. uh uh you know add to that of course the current response of a trade war across the world and how the economics of the world are going through hyperinflation or about to go I don't know I hope not call me an idiot but then but then you know add all of that complexity and some response needs to be discussed right now governments need to be sitting down and saying are we going to you know have the fed print money or is this going to be a form of attacks uh on the AI companies.

[00:42:10]What would happen if the AI companies are taxed? Would they move to the UAE and and and not pay taxes there? You know, it is very very complex and and that's the easiest one. The more interesting one is the pair of power and freedom because so so so the way power uh has always you know been concentrated at the top if you want it's going to like we said with wealth is going to be massively concentrated right those who control the platform control everything right but interestingly at the same time there's never been more democracy and prolification of power in history. Why?

[00:42:53]Because you and I have access to AI.

[00:42:56]Because you and I have access to crisper and bio bio uh um you know biological technologies that can build a virus tomorrow. Open source by the way. And and and you and I have access to a tiny little drone uh that proved very effective in the Ukraine war or you know in in the Middle East wars. And and and it's quite interesting because while I would not use any of that, those in in highly concentration concentrated power positions would have [music] to continue watching the rest of the episode for free. Visit our website londonreal.tv or click the link in [music] the description below.

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