DESAFIO DA INCUBADORA - Debate dos Incubados - Dia 2

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[00:00:03][Clearing throat] Do you want these walls or this one?

[00:00:20]Update here. Okay, now we 're live.

[00:00:25]Well, good evening to everyone watching us now. We're starting another day of discussions at our special incubator, where it's located, where we 'll once again see the talent of our incubatees.

[00:00:46]For those who are coming here for the first time today, let's explain.

[00:00:52]Ah, within the MB, within the core of the MBL, we have the incubator initiative, which is what? The formation of vote-bearers for the MBL.

[00:01:05]What is our main goal with this initiative? Well, to train more people, like the spokespeople we 're used to seeing from MBL. Who are these wonderful people we've already seen? We see Quim Catagua, we see Renan Santos, we see Guto Zacarias, Renato Batista, that is, people who have argumentative skills, cutting-edge reasoning. And that's what we want from everyone who is part of the movement, because that's what a movement is, within the MBL, that's what it's about: the importance of having the ability to respond and to think. It 's no different from any other form of activism. Our activism is one that studies, that thinks, that reasons, that knows how to speak. Today we have three activists here; there were supposed to be four, but one of them couldn't participate. And our three special boys today are Robert, Igor, and Felipe. And they are here today with a topic that is also very important, very special, especially for us who are from Minas Gerais, which is the land and Brazilian mineral sovereignty.

[00:02:15]Oh, our state is beautiful, isn't it? Minas Gerais. So, we couldn't ignore this very important topic that's coming to the forefront, especially because of the external interests of other countries in relation to it, right? So what was it, what is the model for the debate? A specific theme is proposed, and regarding the theme of the evening, each of the boys is given a theme to defend.

[00:02:51]Then one was chosen by lot from the other boy. I 'm calling you guys "boys" because I'm possibly older than you, okay? Well, then they drew another boy's name to ask a question, that is, to confront him. And then there will be a short debate. The model that was devised was based on observing the debates that take place on television, in conversations, interviews, and everything else, which is exactly that: to see what the reasoning is, the reaction, how the person manages to effectively attack, whether the person manages to respond in kind, whether the person manages to bring strong arguments or not. And you who are here with us on YouTube, what will I need from you?

[00:03:42]Comment here in the chat what you think. Share your impressions, and if you have any questions, feel free to ask.

[00:03:52]Okay, so at the end of each of these mini-debates, I'm going to ask you to say who you thought did the best in the debate.

[00:04:10]Now, boys, I'm going to put the first two here.

[00:04:16]Igor will be the one to speak first, and Felipe will be the one to ask the questions.

[00:04:21]So I'm going to put Robert in the virtual audience, sitting right here in the virtual audience. Let me pull you here. Let me see what it's like. Pear.

[00:04:33]Now you're going to sit down, okay, Robert? Just a little bit. It's ready. Let me change your arrangement here. Now it's a bit better. It's not. Okay, because it's kind of like this, it sounds nicer. Ready. And let me, let me give myself more light here too, because my light here, now that I see I'm kind of dark here, is better, right? Ready. I don't look like some kind of ghost, do I? Okay, that's a little better.

[00:04:59][snoring] And let me make some noise first. I'll give the sound to Igor.

[00:05:06]Oh, I know I was asked to put a stopwatch, a timer on the screen. Guys, I couldn't get this to load into Streamyard, which is where I'm using it. If anyone watching wants to help me later, they can, but that will have to wait for future live streams, okay? So I'll be using my stopwatch on my phone, okay? Hey Igor, wait a minute, let me get on my cute little stopwatch. [snoring] You will have 5 minutes to defend your topic. Let me take your microphone off right now. Okay, now you can speak. Is everything alright, Igor? How are you doing?

[00:05:54]Everything's great. Everything's great. All well thank God.

[00:05:57]Are you confident? Are you ready?

[00:05:59]Ah, as far as possible, we're always doing well. Do it like this, do it like this. Relax like this. Relax your shoulder. Yes. Go, go.

[00:06:08]That. [laughs] Stretch it like this. Go ahead. Felipe. You too, same thing. Relax.

[00:06:15]Everyone get ready, let's go!

[00:06:17][snoring] Now here for 5 minutes. Eh, your topic was [snoring] Rare Earths, the technological war that Brazil hasn't yet realized.

[00:06:30]This is a precious topic.

[00:06:32]Starting in 1 2 3 already.

[00:06:36]Well, to talk about technological warfare and rare earth elements, we first need to provide some context, right? Well, conflicts involving rare earth elements, they start much earlier than we imagine. In 2010, for example, there was a conflict between China and Japan where China interrupted the supply of critical minerals to Japan. And Japan suffered from this supply interruption because they realized that their industry depended heavily on this supply of critical minerals, and at that moment they sought suppliers elsewhere. In this case, it was Australia, which nowadays also refines rare earths and critical minerals and supplies them to Japan. And currently, after 2018, Donald Trump started bringing in that series of sanctions, and in that package he stopped sending semiconductor chips to China and also imposed sanctions on Huawei, which is a Chinese company that supplied 5G products to the United States. And China responds again, just as it did with Japan, by halting the supply of rare earth elements to the United States. And that's where Brazil comes in, after all these years, Brazil today has one of the largest reserves of rare earth elements in the world. I think it is, if I'm not mistaken, the second largest reserve. And throughout all these years, Brazil has been a spectator in this technological evolution, right? Well, and that's where my point and my criticism come in.

[00:08:37]Brazil, even having all these resources for all these years—it wasn't just recently that these minerals were discovered here in Brazil—didn't bother to develop an industry, a high value- added industry for rare earth elements. He simply mined and sold the raw product as is. And currently, with this pressure from the United States, uh, in search of new suppliers of rare earths, ah, Brazil is responding this year not with, ah, how can I say, not with an important role in this discussion, but again selling uh a mining company in the city of Minaçu in Goiás, which was discovered to be a large source of rare earths, with various important metallic chemical elements for the manufacture of chips and technologies involved in various areas. So, Brazil is once again putting itself in a very bad position in this technological war. And the expectation, if things continue this way, is that we'll remain just a child with a briefcase full of money in our hands, while the adults try to grab some of it, until a time comes when someone will want to seize control of this briefcase we have, holding so much wealth.

[00:10:15]Ready.

[00:10:17]All done. [laughs] OK. There was 1 minute and 17 seconds left. Remember that saving time doesn't count towards your goal; it doesn't become savings.

[00:10:28]I love filling it up. Oh, thank you, Igor. Felipe, now it's your turn. You have 3 minutes to ask your question to Igor, and we're going to start in 1, 2, 3.

[00:10:42]Let's go.

[00:10:43]The great enigma for Brazil regarding rare earths and technology is what the situation will be. Well, Brazil has been positioned as an exporter of raw commodities, such as soybeans and iron ore, and the situation with rare earth elements is more or less the same.

[00:11:04]He exports without adding value. If you add value to the processing, the commercial value of rare earths can multiply by up to 20 times the value added by processing. And we have the capacity to do both the database creation and the primary processing of rare earth elements. And so we're caught between China and the United States, who want us to sell the raw product, meaning we don't even explore the first stage of value addition.

[00:11:39]Well, in that sense, there are two aspects to what rare earth technology would be: the technology of extraction and processing, and the technology of its effective application in technologies such as industry, the defense industry, electronics, and electrical equipment. Well, the more refined and complex the technology becomes, the greater the demand for rare earth elements. This is just a basic explanation of what rare earth elements are. There are 15 lathanides, which are elements similar to lathanium, plus scanium and yttrium. There are others that are used for batteries, for computer components, for fine computing, microcomputing, and so on. Niobium, lithium, quartz, and cobalt are elements that are not rare earth elements, but they are also important, and Brazil also has large reserves of them. What happens from the point of view of our current database? China produces 80, sorry, 68% of the production and 90% of the refining, while the United States produces 11%.

[00:13:06]According to official data, it's as if China were the largest holder of the reserves; it has 68%, and we have about 23%. However, in 2011 there was a survey mentioned by Ibran, the Brazilian Institute of, I think, mining, citing an estimate—this is not confirmed data, it's a vague estimate from the USGS, which is the United States Geological Survey, which we could have more time to verify. It's over, Felipe.

[00:13:49]He finished.

[00:13:50]Eh, so now it's going to be a replica with Iag's [snoring]. Igor, you'll have 3 minutes to speak now. Prepared?

[00:14:04]Ready?

[00:14:05]1 2 3.

[00:14:08]Perfect. Well, our colleague Felipe brought up several data points and information that actually reinforce the point I made here, which is that the country has a large reserve, but a small capacity to process and chemically refine these rare earth elements. This creates a lot of pressure from other countries to buy this material in its raw state, which is cheaper for them, and then they create added value in their countries by creating products made from the chemical elements obtained from these rare earth elements.

[00:14:56]So, you know, this strongly reinforces my point [snoring] that there is no political interest, there never has been a political interest up to this point, in improving these rare earth extraction and refining techniques. And this, which could have brought many jobs and many benefits to Brazil and the Brazilian people, was simply left aside, and only our ancestral activity of mining was carried out, simply removing the earth and the ore from the ground.

[00:15:33]So, basically reinforcing my point, I think we're far from being the power we could be if we properly managed our, how can I say, natural resources. Oh, and that includes oil too. We went through a very sad episode recently, didn't we, with the oil situation. And the expectation, as things stand, is that it will be the same way with rare earth elements, unfortunately. It 's OK.

[00:16:10]OK.

[00:16:13]Hey Felipe, now you'll have 2 minutes to speak, okay? Hey, ready? Let's begin. One two three.

[00:16:25]I would disagree that we don't have the capacity to process it. The technology for processing the ore is not in the pure element; we have the technology for processing and database. The technology for more complex refining and component production is what we don't have, okay? I needed to address this issue from the 2011 report, which cited a survey by the USGS, because according to it, we have 3.5 billion tons of rare earth elements. Yes, it was an estimate that was talked about and then forgotten, right? If this is confirmed, it would be like having material under a nature reserve, like the Amazon, and China would cease to be number one, and we would end up controlling more than 90% of the world's reserves, which I think is the case. I think that's the case. I think we're being kept as puppets in a war between two superpowers, when in reality we have the whole game in our hands and we need to use this advantage to force a technology transfer, create a Silicon Valley, a continuous monitoring of talent from college onwards, already incorporating a public-private partnership with companies to retain and prevent brain drain, keeping them in this Silicon Valley continuously throughout their careers, and that we create a way to concentrate the technology for producing computer components, for industry, and for electronics, etc. And gradually adding to our production capacity.

[00:18:05]This is Brazil's biggest challenge. It's possible to do it, but it's not possible to do it with the players who will either want to be vassals of China and surrender to China, or vassals of Trump, and then the current, right, leaders, the current one and the previous one, one wanting to be a vassal of China, and then it didn't work, then they get a beating from Trump, they want to be a vassal of Trump, and we have the conditions [snoring] to make this technology transfer.

[00:18:33]Ready. Thank you, Felipe. And now, uh, Igor, one minute for you to make your final remarks on responding, Felipe, or making final remarks, [snoring] starting now.

[00:18:49]Perfect. Well, even if we become, according to Felipe's data, the largest reserve in the world, uh, in rare earth elements, uh, we'll still lack all the things he brought to our attention that are of interest, because this involves a lot of political interest that we don't have, uh, at least not at this moment, right? And that's data from 15 years ago, according to what I brought up, if I'm not mistaken, 2011. Uh, 15 years ago, and to this day not a muscle has been lifted to develop these minds, you know, in education, to develop infrastructure to make this system work for the whole country, bringing jobs to the whole country. Well, it wo n't be that easy either, even though it's the best-case scenario, for us to do this with the pressure we have and the time we have. in the coming years, and with the expectations we have for the government.

[00:19:52]Ready.

[00:19:53]Thank you, Igor. [snoring] Eh, we've finished the first part, the first, the first, the first little debate of yours. Thank you both. Well, this short, first part already showed the richness of the topic and how many points can be argued. Felipe, congratulations. Well, I know that time is short, but effectively, following the debate format, and still [clearing throat] this way, you two manage to demonstrate the point of reasoning. And now I want you all here in the chat to give your opinion on who you thought was the best. Eh, [snoring] Enzo here already said that Felipe spoke very well, defended his point excellently, that Felipe spoke in a way that gives the impression that he was a little anxious, that he seemed a bit insecure. Sometimes it might just be that it needed a boost, right? Uh, sometimes I... Oh my God, I'm going to sneeze. Today, people are [snoring] here in Portugal, it's springtime, and I'm having allergies because of the dust. Sorry, okay? If I sneeze, it will be because of this. My nose is red because of this and I have this sleepy face, but it's because of this. Allergy. Well, getting back to the point, [snoring] is a very interesting topic, but I still think that both of them, Felipe brought richness to the subject. And look here, Enzo has already voted. His vote is for Felipe. Felipe, the person who voted here in the chat gave you the victory in this contest.

[00:21:29]Congratulations! [snoring] Yeah, Enzo is a personal friend of mine, so it doesn't really count, not really. He's a personal friend of mine. We take it inside. No, but still [laughs] that's how you are, but that's it. I think, I think you were a little nervous at first. Well, I think it 's anxiety, because sometimes when we're starting to talk, we even get a little anxious, we're like, [snoring] uh, uh, there's someone here who said, uh, Wiler, who said there were no clashes and to tell the truth, I didn't understand it as a debate, just as a sharing of information. His vote was for Igor, look.

[00:22:07]So now it's balanced out. Yeah, [snoring] then, but still, I think the point here is that often when it's people who are on the same side, it's a little harder to have a dissenting opinion, especially in a debate where the people are on the same side. [snoring] that in the case of when we do these debate championships, we already did one last year with MBL Minas here, then it was a national championship and everything, uh, we proposed topics and sometimes we ended up having to defend topics that we don't believe in, right? And sometimes it's very challenging to defend a topic when you don't always trust it. So it's a bit like playing devil's advocate, having to take a position contrary to what you believe, but [by snoring] you find arguments to enrich that as well. So that's the question. And yet you still managed to put your points of view forward. None of them were weak. Felipe brought up more technical details, but even so, I don't think it was something you'd say, "It wasn't bad or anything." No, it wasn't.

[00:23:24][snoring] And the first experience of many more, right? So, congratulations in advance to both of you. Felipe, you're going to stay here. Now I'm going to let Igor rest a little in our virtual stands and I'm going to pull Robert over here.

[00:23:43][snoring] Robert has had a good rest now here in our audience, right? They served you well, gave you water and everything. Good.

[00:23:57]Thank you very much. Okay, now Felipe will be presenting the topic. And his theme is a very good theme as well. And Felipe's topic is China. The United States and the global battle for rare earth elements.

[00:24:16]Are you ready, Felipe? I'm ready.

[00:24:20]So he's relaxed, he's calm, his mind is ready to speak, and everything is fine, everything is in order.

[00:24:32]Good. So, let me put the stopwatch here. You have 5 minutes to speak, and when you're done, I think you should be able to hear the alarm beep, right? So, two, three. Go.

[00:24:54]I see a great deal of overlap between this topic and the previous one. The previous one had a focus on the issue of technology. I believe I did disagree with my colleague who spoke about a posture that seemed to me to be one of inertia, of non-reaction. And I said that we have what it takes, we won't let it happen; our destiny is not to remain inert and watch others continue importing only the raw state of commodities. My firm stance was that we do need to transfer the technology.

[00:25:22]Now, going back to the aspect that is most emphasized in this interpretation of the topic, is the issue of the dispute over the reserves. In other words, currently the biggest player in controlling reserves, according to official data, would be China. And according to this report, which was mentioned in 2001 by Ibran as if it were an informal assessment by the USGS, it states that we would have 3.5 billion tons. This jumps to 99.9 % of the reserves, so our leading position in this dispute would be overwhelming. There is no dispute. There is no dispute. If Brazil equips itself militarily to defend its conditions, if it has military sovereignty, if it has the capacity to defend itself, and if it has an honest leader, a qualified leader, a leader with a vision for full national sovereignty, then from that perspective, ah, I think we'll have to continue exporting commodities; that perspective has been abandoned.

[00:26:28]We have complete primacy in our hands to increasingly dictate these negotiations, that is, the global dispute between China and the United States. We enter as a player, we negotiate with an emphasis on technology transfer and concentration. We need a core, a center for optimization, concentration, and development of technology. China understood this game.

[00:26:57]She understood that she doesn't need to be the generator, she needs to be the translator of technology, she needs to focus the technology. And that is our challenge, that is our only mission. Now we're being sabotaged. We have saboteurs, we have foreign waves, we have this business of quilombo, quilombola, I do n't know what, but there was never any cultural unity of the quilombo. Quilombo is nothing.

[00:27:18]Quilombo is nothing. There is no cultural continuity between anything in Africa and the quilombola people. That's what you're doing, that's what you're doing to bury our reserve. So they have, they demand very strict environmental laws against Brazil, whereas in China this doesn't exist, there is no environmental legislation.

[00:27:36]And Trump isn't at all concerned about harming planet Earth when it comes to consolidating his power, when it comes to consolidating his dominance over the dollar standard and exporting his inflation through control of the currency. We can generate, the rare currency itself can be collateral for us to generate a strong, authentic currency, based on these reserves, breaking with both the Chinese and United States patterns, creating an autonomous monetary standard based on this wealth that will be for more than 90%. Make no mistake, this information was covered up, covered up from us, so that we would be infantilized from the point of view of this negotiation. So my position is that there is no real dispute between China and the United States regarding rare earth reserves. Is this data being omitted? So, it's not officially recognized, but in reality everyone knows that the great treasure that lies beneath the Amazon, which can be explored using chemicals, not directly on-site, many people already do this. You transport the ore to another bunker, to another bunker, to another place, and apply the acid separately. There's no need to dump all that stuff into the ground.

[00:29:00]So, I wanted to know your opinion regarding this challenge. Should Brazil remain inert and submissive to Trump or to China? Or can he take a position of true pride, of true sovereignty? Sovereignty is warlike, military, and economic. Through rare earth elements, we will have economic benefits, and we can add technological ones. Now, we need the military. Without strong military technology, without a very strong investment in a defense force, it is difficult, it is difficult to negotiate, because current events in world geopolitics prove that this business of time, of peace, is over. A person comes in here, declares themselves dictator of this territory, and that's it. Putin can do that, China can do that, the Islamic State can do that. It doesn't exist. Time's up, Felipe.

[00:29:58]Thank you, Felipe. Still, we had a lesson here in the chat for 5 minutes. I see Enzo here is freaking out over everything you've written. Congratulations.

[00:30:10]And now it's Robert's 3 minutes.

[00:30:12]Robert, are you ready?

[00:30:14]Ready to go.

[00:30:16]So let's go. You have 3 minutes to speak, okay? Same thing. If it goes over 3 minutes, it's going to get busy here and then I'll interrupt you, okay?

[00:30:24]1 2 3. Go.

[00:30:27]Well, Felipe brought up a lot of very interesting data. This shows that, at the very least, he has a good understanding of the subject. This is very good, because then our debate will at least reach an interesting intellectual level, something that we don't normally see in Brazil nowadays.

[00:30:43]Well, it's simply the people in government these days, uh, I agree with Imparties, with what Felipe says, especially regarding the protection measures with the Armed Forces. The support of the Armed Forces is truly vital, whether it be the army, police, military, etc. Okay? So I believe that yes, we need to have a very focused defense force to help us in the development of these rare earth elements, mainly because we do have influence from several countries that want to extract these rare earth elements that are occurring in Brazil, right? Well, amidst all of this, we also have several challenges, as he himself mentioned, such as the problems with the environmental code as it 's structured in Brazil.

[00:31:30]Aside from that, there are also the businesses of indigenous peoples. All of this can really cause us problems. But I mainly wanted to ask Felipe about the following: how can the world trust in the stability of the energy transition, and also about these rare earth elements, especially regarding the processing of these rare earth elements to make electric cars, to sometimes make weapons, and so on? Will China and the United States want to let Brazil work on these issues, or will they simply try to do everything they can to hinder our development, as they have done before? So this is something that is quite viable, and I only agree with the part about the armed forces. We do need to have a force of equal caliber to try and defend ourselves in this regard, but I believe that China won't make it so easy, and the same is true for the United States; they shouldn't let this happen so easily either.

[00:32:31]So I'd like to know Felipe's position on what he thinks the United States and China are simply doing against our country. If we really start talking about developing these rare earth elements and protecting them here in our country, and then processing them here... So that's the question for Felipe.

[00:32:54]Thank you, Robert. There were about 30 seconds left, so congratulations, Robert. Has anyone ever told you that you have a radio announcer's voice?

[00:33:03]Some people [laughs] are like, I guess radio isn't that fashionable anymore these days, but your voice still sounds like a radio announcer's, you know?

[00:33:14]Hey, we're going to put you in charge of doing the voiceovers here at MBL, imagine that. Okay, do it.

[00:33:21]Hmm.

[00:33:22]I'm available.

[00:33:24]I am available. See how fancy?

[00:33:26]Felipe, you now have 3 minutes to answer the question Robert asked you. OK. So let's go. Are you ready?

[00:33:36]1 2 3 Yes.

[00:33:38]If Rare Earths is a mining problem and we are miners here in Minas Gerais, right? I would say that the tactic to solve this problem you're talking about, that is, if they're going to let us do it, is the Minas Gerais tactic. What is the Minas Gerais tactic? Eating around the edges. Eating around the edges. For example, imagine you're on an island and you have 100 warriors providing military and border security. And then you have 250 warriors who provide public safety. What I propose, for example, in a state of emergency, is that you would implement ambivalent qualifications, where the 100 who handle border security would also know how to handle public security, and the 250 who handle public security would also know how to handle border security.

[00:34:25]Ambivalent qualification. Those who dance lambada learn to dance samba. Those who dance samba learn to dance lambada. It's a service that can be done. Any military officer, you would do the qualification, I'm not talking about changing the command of governors, no. This is an ambivalent classification, because while we are in a state of peace, we use these military personnel in the fight against organized crime and in the production of public security. And when the need arose to defend yourself, you would have a greater margin for troop mobility.

[00:34:54]This is a first step. You have to make a heavy investment in these forces in every way.

[00:35:02]equipment, qualification, appreciation, etc. With this ambivalent qualification. And then you would start to have a little bit of moral authority to negotiate, right? Well, as you incorporate technology and do this, I mean, they'll let you, no, they won't let you, but you'll very gradually gain space, gain sovereignty.

[00:35:25]That's it, those nonsense from those foreign NGOs, that talk about indigenous people is over. There is no indigenous civilization, there is nothing. They don't speak, they speak Portuguese, they wear Adidas shorts.

[00:35:36]That's part of what saboteurs and cynics do. It's absurd for you to say that it makes any sense. For example, a quilombo. These civilizations ceased to exist as a linguistic and cultural horizon 50 years after the discovery. 100, 150. We are pretending, we are in a state of pretense with foreign-funded NGOs, with a cloak, a bunch of apparatus in the judiciary, in the press, that make this speech of, oh, let's have strict environmental laws for us, while all the countries that developed had a period of resource exploitation, of extensive exploitation of natural resources, and they are still playing this game today. So, we have to treat these sabotaging agents as enemies of the national project of founding a great sovereign nation, with military, technological and financial sovereignty. And we do it step by step. It's a tactic from Minas Gerais. You gradually improve things, you strengthen the army, you add a little technology, you create a public-private partnership, you know, gradually.

[00:36:45]Felipe, congratulations nonetheless on that response. Yes, it's very enjoyable to participate, to be the moderator of a debate like this, you know?

[00:36:55]Congratulations. Hey Robert, now you have 2 minutes to give your [snoring] reply, to refute what Felipe said. You have 2 minutes.

[00:37:12]Starting now.

[00:37:15]Excellent. I would say that the strategy Felipe proposed in this debate, I believe, could be quite viable.

[00:37:21]However, the thing is, we mentioned two poles, which in this case would be the United States and China, but we didn't take into consideration several other countries that will be interfering in any case, whether they are neighbors or simply countries on the other side of the planet, right? And yes, we agree with Felipe on one point, which is...? He's talking about us eating the fingers, right? He was eating in the deras. This is interesting because it shows that we're going to have a project and a plan to be able to do this. But he also didn't leave anything to be desired, which is what? He said that we have to do this, but he didn't say how to do it in a way that works with the current internal government, because you have to take into account that this is something that really needs to be done, something that needs to be protected, something that we really have to be addressing and improving every day to try to make it happen. But today, even he himself mentioned in the previous part that he was simply talking about the indigenous people. Well, there really isn't that indigenous population. But how are we going to get this out of people's minds, the idea that these peoples, this indigenous culture, are a thing of the past, that it doesn't exist anymore, as he said, there are really many indigenous people who drive cars, have access to the internet, they manage to have as much quality of life as we do who live in urban areas. So it doesn't really make much sense for indigenous people to want to take some land just because it has minerals, right? So, it's really a complicated issue.

[00:38:56]But that's not all. These people are inside the government, and they are doing this to orchestrate everything, to hinder Brazil's development.

[00:39:05]And this certainly already has the influence of foreign countries here. I'm almost completely convinced that yes, if you get around to doing everything, you'll have that.

[00:39:16]Time's up, Robert. Thanks.

[00:39:19][snoring] And now Felipe's final remarks, which are one minute long. Okay, Felipe? It's about to start right now.

[00:39:30]Yes, in geopolitical terms there has always been hegemony, which is what people call the Thucydides Trap. You have a dominant power, and when the other starts to grow, they will fight to have only one. There can only be one, that's the law of the Highlander, right? So, that's what they call imperialism. Imperialism was committed by any dominant power, by the United States, by the British Empire, by the Soviet Union, they all committed imperialism, right? So, we have to learn to defend ourselves from being just the weak party in this game of imperialism, to not be afraid to exercise, to concentrate power, to wield power and to defeat these narratives.

[00:40:05]Poor thing, poor Indian, poor quilombola, let's keep him in a zoo. It's very nice, it's very nice to keep a person there eating monkey, right, without having... He can't be a doctor, he can't be a surgeon, he's Brazilian. And we have to take a firm, courageous stand on this, to affirm the truth without timidity. Without shyness. Their narrative, the narrative, not theirs, to tell them, their time is up.

[00:40:34]She is defeated.

[00:40:35]Thanks.

[00:40:36]Thank you, Felipe.

[00:40:38]Thanks.

[00:40:39]Oh, thank you both for this discussion as well. High level, sensational.

[00:40:44]Actually, we had some really cool reactions here. Enzo here is raving about Felipe [snoring], he even mentioned here that he noticed that Felipe here was indeed very feline.

[00:41:08]Well, Robert ended up agreeing because those were indeed very valid points that Felipe presented. And I even wanted to know from the others who are here, don't be shy, okay everyone? Please, tell Oli Pix that he's here, man. I'll put the Pix banner here. Here it is. Ready. No, wait. I put up the Pix banner. No, the Pix banner is this one here.

[00:41:35]Hey Cassiane, how are you? Okay, sorry everyone! Because I look at you guys and also at the chat to see who's interacting here so I can send you messages. So I want to know from you guys watching, what do you think? Who did you think dominated this time? Who was the best? Who would you give a mini trophy to if you had one here?

[00:42:00]Who would I give this little trophy to? It's OK? Okay, now let me remove this comment here, hide this comment from Wilker, it was really cool.

[00:42:11]Hey, keep commenting, everyone, right now! All the comments are always very insightful, well, not all of them, right?

[00:42:18]Because sometimes we have to delete comments that are somewhat inappropriate here in our chat. It happens, okay? Uh, yesterday I had to delete one, so now I'm going to put Felipe, you're going to sit down in our virtual auditorium now, okay? Time to rest a little now because it's Robert's and Igor's turn next. It's OK?

[00:42:42]Thank you, Felipe. Oh, congratulations again. Very good. And I'll bring you back in a little while, but now it's just the two of you. Okay, let's go. [snoring] Let's bring Igor. Oh, I was going to bring Igor and remove him.

[00:43:03][laughter] And Mariana, uh, you guys have to understand. It's 1 AM here. So, at 1 AM on Friday, you can see that the person's mind isn't quite as focused anymore, but you can see that the dedication of this mentor, this coordinator, to you is always great. I believe this, and even for those watching who don't know, if you didn't watch yesterday, I'll say it now, but I 'll say it again. I have embraced this incubator project [clearing throat] as if it were my own child, because I really want you all to grow in this, because I believe that we need to have more representatives in Minas Gerais. And I understand that in Minas Gerais we have a unique characteristic, which is this academic intellectualism that is so different, you know? It's not people who have the ability to comment on what's been in the news. These are people who have the ability to go deeper. And that's the fleur de sel you put in chocolate milk, you know?

[00:44:19]It's what makes it special, you have that, there's the hot chocolate, and you drink it thinking, "Oh, what a delicious taste." It's the salt, it's the fleur de sel up there that gives it that extra something. So, I think that's what Minas Gerais is like for me, that's how I see you all. So that's my idea, you know?

[00:44:41]Like, I ca n't find Liv Pix to send the link in the chat. The link, the chat, oh, Cias, I don't understand what you're asking about regarding Pix, I have it, you tell me here and if it appears I'll let you know. Let me ask Breno here, if he sends this, I'll let you know. Wait a minute. So, guys, from the start, this is a project I believe in. I set goals, and every day, when it 's Monday, I wake up thinking about what I'm going to select for you. I always try to innovate because I want you to explore everything a spokesperson would have to convey.

[00:45:33]So it's also a challenge for me to think about, yes, because sometimes I try to innovate and this was, uh, this was a challenge for me. Eh eh, I think it was a cool challenge, wasn't it? So that's it. So, I'm going to give you the floor now. I'm going to stop tearing this up early for you guys. And now it's going to be Robert's turn. I'll put the link in the email, okay everyone? Wait a minute here in the chat, okay? Just a moment. Let me just pass the topic over to Robert first, and then we can continue with the [snoring] for our support, okay? Let me put support here @ Oh, what did I do? Oh no, I switched windows. Dude, support @ support.

[00:46:34]Guys, look, I made the little apple on the train here. Support @ ar where are my @ people?

[00:46:42]Mine disappeared. @ only only appeared. I'm telling you, folks. Yes, it's the early morning for me.org.

[00:46:50]I 'll put it in the chat looking nicer, okay?

[00:46:55]Okay, Ciano, sorry. Okay, Robert, let's move on to your topic now, which is the final topic of our evening, a wonderful topic as well. Is Minas Gerais going to become, or could it become, a world leader? So, folks, Minas Gerais, our beautiful state, could it become a world leader? The role that Minas Gerais plays in my heart is immense.

[00:47:20]Every day here in Portugal I have to talk a little bit about Minas Gerais.

[00:47:23]I spoke about it earlier today, but today I was talking about cheese bread. So let's go. Hey Robert, you'll have 5 minutes to talk about your topic and then Igor will be given the floor to ask you a question.

[00:47:39]Let's start here and set a timer for 5 minutes. 1 2 3 Okay.

[00:47:46]Well, good night, everyone. Good evening, Mariana. Good evening, Igor. Okay, folks, here's the thing, regarding Minas Gerais, we have to take into account that it's the state with the most minerals, which are very important for our Brazil, whether it's iron ore, rare earth minerals, and so on, and various others.

[00:48:07]I won't list them all here because there are so many compositions. So yes, Minas Gerais can easily make Brazil the third player in this game, preventing the United States and China from simply dominating all the refineries and all the forms of these rare earths, and we can simply profit from that, okay? Well, I believe that we can certainly develop some very interesting things here, such as refineries, things that we can partner with, mainly with Europe, and also using Hanoi Messi, right? We can participate, we already have a stake, and I believe that we can go further and try to bring partnerships from various countries that already work very well with this type of material, right? Well, this makes things easier for us, especially for transferring technology to Minas Gerais, so we can play such a vital role for our country, which would be to stand out and utilize this rare earth within the country, without having to simply move our minerals, extracted here, abroad, to China or some other country that can process these ores. So, we have to take into account that there are many countries that depend on us, right? Taiwan is one of those countries where we need our minerals to make microchips. The United States, the main weapons of the United States today, which is even their fighter jet, they have a lot of rare minerals there, they have a lot of rare earth elements, you know?

[00:49:48]So they need the agent. So, if we have a role to play in this, we can definitely change this whole geopolitical game, okay? We also have to mention that the triumph of Arachá, the valley of lithium, is the valley of rare earths, and I know that's quite intriguing, right? And so too is the position of the tail end. These places are where there are the most attractions, and these are the places where we need to take the most care. And that's where the armed forces come in; they do have to protect these places, these territories. But for that to happen, we're going to need a very extensive defensive policy, something that Brazil currently lacks the resources to implement, and especially our environmental legislation, which hinders more than it actually helps Brazil extract these minerals, these resources, right?

[00:50:49]Well, taking that into consideration, we will indeed gain a competitive advantage for Brazil, because here in Minas Gerais we have the whole world at our disposal, and we can profit from all of this. Hey, just a reminder that in the Lithium Valley, the purity is simply exceptional; it's one of the best purities of lithium that exists here, you understand? This is very good for making batteries, especially for cars, such as Tesla cars, Ford cars, and various other electric cars out there. But we also can't avoid addressing the issue, even though it's not considered a rare earth element. Niobium is also a vital material that can be used to make many things, especially in the aerospace industry. Well, considering this, I believe that Brazil has a lot of processing needs left, and we're really going to have to work on all of this. And that's a challenge we 'll definitely have to face. And countries larger than the United States and China aren't simply going to accept Brazil, which is a third-world country, simply interfering with those interests, right? So, Igor, do you believe that we can simply bring this here without a strong outside presence hindering our plans to develop and grow these rare earths and extract them in a simple way, or what do you think about this? And that.

[00:52:10]OK. Thanks. He brought up the topic and even asked Igor a question. Igor, like, you've already been challenged, actually, you were the challenger and you were challenged. Tuchê, Our Lady.

[00:52:25]Okay, let's go then. You have 3 minutes to answer and ask your question. Go ahead, launch your attack, huh? 1 2 3.

[00:52:33]Well, that's a very nice speech. Well, in fact, Minas Gerais is a state that is very dear to all of us, but we have a problem that precedes this dream of becoming a major exporter of technology and rare materials, you know, derived from rare earth elements, right?

[00:52:58]We have, for example, an economic problem where we can't overcome our debt year after year.

[00:53:05]So, we always end the year in debt, and our debt is enormous, just as you mentioned, despite being one of the largest mineral producers in Brazil. We've been one of the biggest mineral producers in Brazil for a long time, and yet we still carry a debt, which shows that we still need to do our homework when it comes to better allocating our resources to the right places.

[00:53:35]So, we're talking about rare earth elements and industrialization, but we don't have the infrastructure, for example, to transport the production of materials or products manufactured in our state. And you even mentioned the issue of environmental control, uh, even with the rigorous controls we have here, which sometimes prevent us from progressing, we've had situations like the Brumadinho dam collapse, which caused enormous damage to our state.

[00:54:11]Several families there lost loved ones and their homes, and in the end, it all came to nothing, right? So, we still have to [snoring] discuss a lot of things before we can even think about becoming a major exporter of technology and rare earth elements. Well, if we want to become a powerhouse, we first have to do our homework.

[00:54:40]That's my point.

[00:54:44]OK.

[00:54:46]Eh, good, good, Igor, raising [snoring] problems about how, you know, uh, like, the flaw that we have that prevents us from yet being able to say that we would have the hope of being a strong state and all that. So now it's Robert's turn to refute, to give his rebuttal and kind of go on the attack as well. Are you going to do it, are you going to give another little slap there, go out there like "bang bang bang" or not? Let's go. 1 2 3. You have 3 minutes to talk, okay? Okay. [snoring] Well, Iago, Igor, I mean, I'm sorry, I got his name wrong, but here's the thing, uh, he did say a few things, but there are too many problems in Brazil. If we keep focusing only on the problems, we won't be able to solve anything.

[00:55:41]Also, let's remember that he mentioned the economic aspect of paying, and that we have a very large fiscal crisis, especially regarding our public debt, which has only been increasing, right? But that's the problem. Well, if we just focus on preparing to pay off our debt so we can work on that, are we going to lose ground? No. Are we not going? The other states, and other countries, will simply see that Brazil is economically unstable, and they won't be able to work on that. And is it really just that we have to focus on paying off the debt, or do we simply have to do both at the same time? Did you understand? Yes, I believe that the debt issue is something worrying for our country right now.

[00:56:25]But we also have to take into account that rare earth elements generate production, which generates wealth. So, if we can't process this as quickly as possible, we 'll just fall behind and keep losing money, and our debt will only increase with each passing day. So, really, regarding our reforms, we have to make several structural reforms in the country, because there really is a lot that needs to be developed. However, we also ca n't let other countries simply dominate Brazil just because Brazil is in debt. That's something we both need to be careful about together, we need to do it together. Don't just make one side better than the other, you know? We have to do both simultaneously. Well, for that to happen, we're definitely going to need dedicated people who will be able to work through this process and have the ideal plan. This is something we're going to be able to develop; we already have this project, we're already able to develop it, especially here in the case of Minas Gerais, where we already have a lot of things being developed in Arachá, in the Jtinon Valley and in the Lithium Valley. So we can increase this production, this distribution, and everything else. So, Igor, I wanted to tell you right now, at this very moment, what is it? Hey, tell me, do you really think that just by paying off the debt we're going to be able to dominate this scenario, or won't other states from other countries, like China, like the United States, actually dominate us, taking advantage of this opportunity?

[00:57:57][snoring] Ready. Hey guys, I stopped here because I saw that a fan of Igor's joined the chat, and I think she's his wife, Igor!

[00:58:09]Roberta, that's my mother-in-law. It's [laughs] your mother-in-law. Oh, look, everyone, your mother-in-law. Congratulations! I liked the one about my mother- in-law. So, mother-in-law, just to explain that I 'm playing devil's advocate, okay? I don't believe what I'm saying.

[00:58:23][laughs] Oh, I loved it. I agree with Robert, but let's go.

[00:58:31]Trying to get the most out of it. Let's see now. So, Igor, these are your final 2 minutes to refute what Robert said. So, let's go, okay? That's 2 minutes for you. 1 2 3.

[00:58:50]Starting now. Well, to answer that question, paying off the debt opens up space for investment in infrastructure and various other areas of our state. So, yes, I believe it's very important that we have a clean debt, so that we can continue with the development of our state. Well, and we have the problem that you didn't address earlier regarding environmental control and, as you said, who is responsible, who is in charge of this development, which is our state government, for example.

[00:59:27]How do you think you're going to get around this environmental control? How do you think politicians will react to this dream of transforming Minas Gerais into the largest exporter of products made from rare earth elements, without running into the issue that they want immediate money, for example, to solve problems like public finances, given that the state is currently the second, no, one of the two largest states in Brazil? With reserves of rare earth elements, it would be much easier for them to just sell the raw material, take that money, and invest where it's needed. How do you think you're going to change the minds of these politicians, these people responsible for this sector, who hold onto these lands and wait for technological and industrial development in our state so they can make money later on?

[01:00:32]Good. Hey, just a moment here, folks, because we received your Pix payment here, Ciano, but the question isn't showing up.

[01:00:46][snoring] [clearing throat] Excuse me.

[01:00:49]I'll see if it's showing up here.

[01:00:53]Ah, uh, I'll see if I can find it. But if I can't find it, you can send it to me, you can send me a WhatsApp message and I'll highlight the question here. Could it be?

[01:01:04][snoring] Yeah, let's go then. Okay, Robert, now you're going to have a minute to refute that claim and make your final remarks.

[01:01:13]You know this one minute is just a quick thing, but try to make the most of it. Let's go. 1 2 3. Yes.

[01:01:22]Well, he mentioned the part about state control and environmental control, right?

[01:01:27]The only way we can do that is by having a real structural framework. And for that, we need to have people who are responsible, who have vision, and who are simply, okay, involved in these spaces for discussion, both in this part that I didn't mention earlier in Hanoi Messi, you understand? Those who go there will be discussing this issue, seeking improvements and opportunities, and at the same time it also falls under the National Congress and the state Congress, which you yourself mentioned regarding the state's role, where the state manages this. And the only way we're developing this is by really showing these politicians that it's no use just taking the finished ore and throwing it away, you know? It's about taking it and processing it, because when we process this ore, we are simply able to improve our country more and more, because it generates both income and jobs. And all of this is already very positive; it generates economic activity and circulation within the country. That's a very positive thing.

[01:02:24]Time's up, time's up, time's up, with an ugly phrase, time's up.

[01:02:31]Okay, guys, we're done with this one.

[01:02:35]Now, I want you, the viewers watching the vote, to tell me who you thought was the best performer in this third debate.

[01:02:43]Who did you think was the best? Was it Igor, was it Robert, was it both? Oh, she's here now, Raquel has arrived.

[01:02:53]Igor, Raquel, is his wife.

[01:02:54]She doesn't lie, does she? [laughter] But she is one, she already is one, she already comes here and smooths things over.

[01:03:03]Because she spoke well of them, she said that they both did very well. Like, I liked it here, she arrived and everything was nice and cute, and she looked closely at both of them, like, she came here really nice. I liked. Oh, third of, oh. Okay, it's here. Your mother-in-law voted for Igor, Wilson voted for Igor, Wilker voted for Robert, and Enzo voted for Robert.

[01:03:32]So, for now, it's a tie. Who will cast the deciding vote here? Will it be me or not?

[01:03:38]What is this? Robert was good, he did very well. [laughs] Oh, I can't, I can't say that. I think I improvised pretty well, [laughs] but you guys did well.

[01:03:50]The first one... Thank you, Cassiano! Still, thank you very much! Okay, fine. Your wife voted for you, so you won. [laughs] That's not fair.

[01:04:05]We can open it up for appeal later, okay? There might not be a problem.

[01:04:09]So, where do I file a legal appeal against this? [laughs] [snoring] Yeah, but still, uh, this was really good. Let me now pull Felipe back onto the stage.

[01:04:24]Welcome back, Felipe. Okay, let's just go to this final part here. I wanted to start by thanking the three of them. Tonight was a shorter night, because yesterday it was almost 3 hours.

[01:04:38]live. Can you imagine, I left here at almost 3 AM in Portugal, and I had to wake up at 6 AM, I was supposed to go to the office, but I couldn't. Oh, I was so exhausted, [laughs] but with pleasure, because who, who, who took responsibility for scheduling this for 8 pm? It was me. So, the problem is mine. Well, if we did that, we take responsibility for the child and take care of him, right? There's no problem in doing those things. And it's very enjoyable.

[01:05:08]I love participating in these kinds of activities precisely for that reason, to have the pleasure of seeing you strive to step outside your comfort zone, because each of you has something you enjoy doing.

[01:05:23]There's one who prefers writing, one who might enjoy recording videos, and one who might come to enjoy editing and creating. It's content for posting. So, each one has its own characteristics, and I know very well that this type of... this format of going live, of appearing, of showing your face, of having people watching, I myself, actually, I hate putting my face on the internet, but I do put my face on the internet, but like, even so, I know that it's about leaving your comfort zone, it's about putting yourself in a position to be targeted by a lot of things, right? We end up in that situation, and then, you know?

[01:06:18]And [when we're snoring] sometimes we talk and then our head starts working, thinking: "Wow, I shouldn't have said that." And then you keep thinking about it afterwards: "Wow, I should have said something else, I should have said it another way." But that's it, this is the experience for you to build upon and mature more and more. You'll have other experiences, you've done other live streams before, obviously you, I don't know if all of you, but like, some of you have already participated in debate tournaments and everything. So it's important to keep improving, to keep participating in these experiences and this type of activity, to build and enrich other characteristics of yourselves, because the spokesperson for the Membell movement is that person who will have the ability to reason well, to refute people, to be able to give an interview and answer whatever they come to ask.

[01:07:27]I have no doubt about your intelligence. I think nobody here doubts that, that's what I'm most proud of about this movement, and that's a very good thing. Taking advantage of something that Enzo mentioned, I wanted to ask something I'm very curious about before we wrap up, something I want to give you the opportunity to ask. You guys are going to the MBL congress in Minas, right? I'm going, I'm going.

[01:07:58]Everyone's going, right? I will be working there.

[01:08:04]Igor [snoring] is going, Felipe is going, everyone's going, right? Everyone who's here in the chat is going too, right?

[01:08:12]Guys, you should take advantage of this opportunity because, like, they say, they say the tickets are starting to sell out. So, hurry up and buy your tickets because it's going to be, oh, and it's going to be, I don't know if I can say something like a swear word, like, yes, but glorious, glorious, let's talk together, [laughs] it's going to be glorious, there are going to be people like, I swear to you that I was looking, thinking that instead of going to the festival and the congress, but I'm going to the festival, but I really thought about it, because I participated in this organization, I participate obviously, right, as a coordinator and oh no, even your son is going, Igor, how nice [laughs] oh Marina, I already saw Enzo doing the marketing down there in the text, look, there's the discount coupon there, look. [laughter] You see? Can you see this?

[01:09:16]See, everyone? Enjoy this while you can, okay? For those who have already bought it, and for those who haven't yet, talk to Enzo. Enzo has a discount coupon. Do you know how to say " coupon" here in Portugal? Does Felipe know?

[01:09:29]No.

[01:09:30]Coupon.

[01:09:32]Coupon.

[01:09:33]Coupon.

[01:09:35]So, when I speak, I have to remember the filter and, like, turn off the Portuguese filter from Portugal and remember the Brazilian filter so I don't say the word in Portuguese from Portugal. It depends, depending on some of the words there, I know this is kind of strange for Brazil, right? [laughs] Yeah, it 's very strange. When I moved, when I moved here to Portugal, uh, the first time I went to Brazil, I remember it to this day, I went to Boi Savcia, I think it was Boi, no, Boi Lourdes. Then, when I went to the toilet, I asked if I could go to the bathroom, and where the bathroom was. Then the waiter looked at me like this: "Bathroom? There's no shower here. [laughs] And I said, 'No, not toilet, bathroom.'

[01:10:20]Because [laughs] But that's how it is, we end up adapting certain words. But anyway, let's move on to the other conversation, I started this monologue here, but anyway. Okay.

[01:10:31]Congress. Congress. So I invite everyone, please go. This congress will be very good, very good. And for the women, I'll say this again, there's another mini-congress that will happen beforehand that will be excellent. We'll announce that later.

[01:10:50]Now let's talk about our debate. Once again, I wanted to congratulate the three of you. It was very cool.

[01:10:59]I liked it. I wanted to know from those of you who watched, what was the best part of the night. [snoring] This is just the fact that you made yourselves available on a Friday at 8 pm. You are warriors. Thank you very much. I know it 's often difficult....to make yourselves available on a Friday, so much so that we, as you can see, were the three of you. So, thank you very much in advance.

[01:11:29]Uh, and let's see here then who is still on Enzo's podium, Felipe.

[01:11:37]You see, Felipe?

[01:11:39]You're there on the podium. So, uh, let's see then who is... I want to see here who... what do you think, then, who was the best of the night, if it was Felipe, if it was Robert, if it was Igor, please comment.

[01:11:54]And I want this from you, a small final message now, uh, what did you think of these experiences, if you want to repeat this experience, uh, and that's it, a final consideration from you, okay? Uh, let's start, Robert.

[01:12:15]Well, guys, uh, it's a great pleasure to be here, right, which is something different, it's something really uh that we're not very used to, that we're going to be in a live conversation, having debates here and at the same time with you watching. That's great. I really appreciate your audience today. I also wanted to thank Felipe especially, who was my first debate partner, right, Felipe?

[01:12:39]Congratulations, you managed to bring very accurate information. So much so that I even started agreeing with you halfway through, because you brought so much information that I said, "I can't say anything more, he's already said everything's going to be there." [laughs] Then it was a little more complicated. So, really, about the first debate, as the people in the chat said, I was a little weaker, was n't I? And I also thank Igor for the opportunity to give a little twist out of nowhere. [laughs] I know you're playing devil's advocate, but I found it very interesting because we managed to debate a little better, and everything else. I loved that one. So, Igor and Felipe, it was a pleasure being with you here today. I hope we continue talking amongst ourselves, debating or bringing information, even just talking to see who... You know, we can share some information and learning with many, right? Well, with that, I thank you all again, and until next time, who knows, okay?

[01:13:40]Thank you, Robert. Now, Felipe, speak a little bit too. I want to thank my colleagues, the audience, and express my deep gratitude and consideration to the coordination, to Mari, to Luan, to the people who made this possible, who defined the format, the theme, right? Our anonymous warriors who stay behind the shield and who, as the gnome Debu would say, cost us nothing, cost absolutely everything [laughs] for you, right? So, I want to express this about the theme. This theme is not just a theme of entertainment, of eloquence. This is the difference between slavery and sovereignty. This theme is for you who come from other places in the future and watch this live stream, while you waste time with picanha and chloroquine, with chloroquine for... "Uh, with Bolsonaro, with Lula.

[01:14:47]In this movement, we have a vision for the country, we have work, we have a yellow book, we have dense content developing not only on this, but with cutting-edge work. The greatest intellectuals, the most competent, intellectually admirable people are here. Mr. Orlando Lima, Mr. Ricardo Almeida, Mr. Ian. I mean, I have to hold back from saying Ian Nev, right? Ian García Márquez, the wisest of the wise, and our Moib.

[01:15:20]The audience doesn't know, but he's a philosopher. Mr. Renan Santos, he's the creator and the shaper of these ideas, and we drink from the fire of his spirit.

[01:15:31]So, this movement is a movement of intellectual activity. I feel a little confused by the two themes, I thought they were similar. I suffered a confusion that made me choke on myself, as Dilma would say, right? And I confused the two themes a little. And I'm a guy from the conservative movement..." It's not the conservative, it's the conversationalist. So, sometimes I have a lot to say and the time, the limited time, gives me Aeneas syndrome, you know? So, I apologize for this... Oh, he's nervous, he is. I'm not nervous or anxious. I have a lot to say and I'm trying to manage my time. I don't know if I'm nervous, I don't know if I'm impatient, no. I have a lot to say and the walls are making us feel like this, you understand? So, that's all. This topic is very serious. This topic and many others are being developed by the most morally upright, most intellectually competent people. And again, it's my utmost honor to be on your side, you are these feline warriors, you are the salt of the earth who are making yourselves available to attend academy, to study, to drink from the fire of our sacred philosophers, right? Because this is being developed. This thing of... Virtuous patrimonialism is a genius idea from Mr. Orlando Lima, you understand? So this is a joint effort. Sometimes, in my emphasis on trying, my eagerness to contribute, I also want to put my spiritual fire into it. Then I get excited. I'm really enthusiastic, truly enthusiastic, believing in this mission, in this destiny.

[01:17:11]We will not be weak. We have everything to triumph over all internal and external enemies. And I have a real, bloodthirsty disposition. It's an honor. Thank you very much. Yes, that's all I have to say.

[01:17:24]Wow! Wow! Wait a minute, wait a minute, I have something here that I discovered the other day. Wait, wait, let's see.

[01:17:35][laughs] [clearing throat] You deserved it, you deserved it. It was, it was, you deserved it.

[01:17:44]Eh, thank you, Felipe. What an honor. There is no such thing as this activity, this curiosity, this intellectual generation, this discourse and these discourses being put forward. This doesn't exist on the left, in the PT, in the PSOL, in Bolsonarism, not at all, right? We owe the right to the seminal work of Olavo de Carvalho, but Olavo de Carvalho created people who are just repeaters. They repeat what Olavo said with conviction, as if it were the truth. Here there is a receptiveness to various ideas, so that everyone can contribute. So here is an environment of true activity, electrifying intellectual contact. That's it. That's what attracted me most to this project. And that's why I invite the audience. If you want to drink the nectar of true knowledge, the pure nectar of the intellectual activity of a movement genuinely engaged in generating solutions that work, free from obtuse, obsolete ideological shackles, it's only here, it only exists here. And we are the future, we will triumph. Excuse me, as I said, I'm from the conservative movement. I'll end my part here.

[01:18:56]Thank you, Felipe. Thank you, you know? Uh, but The MBL is that, it's an intellectual movement. Yes, and sometimes that's exactly what it is, it's about being able to speak, to express yourself, and we get into that, I'm not in that vibe right now because, as you can see, my little eye is small here, I think it's also the allergy medication because it's already making me feel a bit off, I don't know if anyone here has ever taken allergy medication that knocks you out. And I'm already knocked out. Besides, it's already 1:34 AM here. And now Igor, Igor, tell us your final thoughts.

[01:19:36]What to say after all this, right?

[01:19:38][laughs] It was sensational, wasn't it? It was sensational. It deserved those applauses, right? I want to thank Mariana, the organization for giving, [clearing throat] bringing this opportunity to us. It's the first time I've participated in something like this. And so for me, uh, from where I was, from the situation I was in to be here today, for me I've already won, already You know, it's already a huge victory, a huge overcoming of the person I was, I don't know, a month ago before I embarked on this journey. So, I wanted to thank Felipe, Robert for participating with us, and everyone who followed us and will follow us in the coming days and months, as long as this live stream is available. And I hope and make myself available for other opportunities like this. It was very good, and I hope to improve even more.

[01:20:35]Thank you, guys. Like, thank you so much. Uh, we're going to end this program here now. Oh no, not here now. Help, [laughs] that was for that program, what was the presenter's name? It was here now, there were two young medical students, when the culprit is Gil Gomes from here now. Isn't that right?

[01:21:06]Is that right or not? What, what was the name of the guy who presented? It was Gil Gomes.

[01:21:11]Gil Gomes. Gil Gomes from here now.

[01:21:18]So, folks, it's from the bottom of the trunk. 1900 1980 onça.

[01:21:27]Now Let's see if there's any laughter here.

[01:21:30]Oh, oh, Felipe, I'm sorry. Since you mentioned the yellow book, this one is great, okay?

[01:21:40]The fourth one.

[01:21:40]Oh, okay.

[01:21:43]I prefer the three of you. Uh, that should be a topic for another YouTube video. Don't worry. Do n't worry. [laughs] I just wanted to give a little heads-up, but yes, it's very good. And the fourth, fifth, and sixth are great. And the S is coming soon. Oh, I've already seen it. Its cover is wonderful.

[01:22:06]That's all I can say. Uh, uh, uh, it cut me off here. I missed a bit of the message. I missed a bit of what was said.

[01:22:14]I'll have to watch it later to see that I missed a bit of what was said.

[01:22:17]It's about the yellow book and what else? I did n't understand. You're rounding things off. Is that a problem? No problem.

[01:22:23]You can watch it later. [laughs] Yeah, no problem, because otherwise it'll be fuel for you. Uh, Let's do it this way. And I even wanted to take this opportunity, folks, to say that this is exactly the model we're using for this type of program that we're going to launch later.

[01:22:41]Possibly in a maximum of two weeks, I'll also be launching a program here that will be a kind of podcast. As you've already noticed, the Trencast that was running is n't running anymore; it was removed from our YouTube channel's schedule, but there will be other programs, a revamped Trencast, and one of them will be the Academic Hour. I think Felipe, I already told him the idea I had, which would be exactly to explore this, that there would be moments when our academics from Minas Gerais would have the opportunity to have an hour more or less alone to discuss a topic of interest, okay? So this is just a heads-up for you to know about this. And with that, we conclude once again the invitation to join us. Tomorrow we have the third and final session of the challenge. Incubator, the debate of the incubated.

[01:23:51]Uh, yesterday it generated questions, right, because they are incubated, which I love to say incubated. Uh, but uh we will still have other similar challenges. Uh, this is part of your evaluation, so congratulations, because the evaluation I already give is excellent.

[01:24:12]And so, and for more debates like this, from now on know that the level will increase. I will demand better things, because I know you can deliver better things, okay? It's your fault. Congratulations. And for those of you who watched, keep following us. If you don't follow this page, activate the bell, follow us and follow us on our Instagram. If you 're not in our WhatsApp group, go to our MBL Minas website, where you can register and be directed to the WhatsApp group. Okay, guys?

[01:24:52]Continue here.

[01:24:53]I wanted to leave a curiosity.

[01:24:55]You can leave it. [snoring] I wanted to leave what you said about the academic, right, that will be the MBL.

[01:25:00]Academic. Do you know where the name "academic" comes from? Academy.

[01:25:03]Academic. What is the philological origin of that?

[01:25:08]Tell me. You know?

[01:25:11]It's because Aristotle used to teach his students there.

[01:25:18]I fell for it, I fell for it.

[01:25:20]No, no.

[01:25:22]Okay. Aristotle taught his students there in Athens, in a garden where there was the tomb of Academus, who was a mythological hero, half historical, half mythological, with those demigod ancestries. It's not known if he existed and they added the mythical elements or if he was entirely mythical.

[01:25:49]Now it fell for me.

[01:25:56]Oh my, for me it fell for me. It fell for me. It fell for me or not? It fell for me. I'll see. It fell for me. It fell for me. There. There. Then he, he was competing with two academies that were more canonical than him. He was kind of an option, a third option, although he ended up becoming the canon of the West. And then the academy, which was an informal place for you to talk, For him to talk to the disciples, it became synonymous with something like, " You put it, forget it, you can speak."

[01:26:38]Did you hear it or not?

[01:26:41]Because I wanted to make a comparison with this issue of... I think I fell and it just imploded what I was saying, right? It's falling apart.

[01:26:55]Yeah, I just wanted to make a comparison with the idea of ​​academia being a consensus, right? And Kurt's cathedral, you know?

[01:27:03]Kurtzag talks about the cathedral. Today academia is that, but before it was just a place for voluntary meetings where people voluntarily put their ideas up for debate. It transformed the meaning of that, right? That's it. That's it. Thank you, Felipe. No, I was just going to joke because when you froze like that, you were talking, and you could make that little meme of putting, like, uh, loading, you know?

[01:27:31]It looked like it was loading, but that was just a joke. You three are still on the call. I'm going to end the live stream, okay?

[01:27:41]Hey, for those of you watching, kisses to everyone. Keep going.

[01:27:47]I hope to see you all back here tomorrow, okay? And now we're ending the broadcast. Kisses.