SCARY! SHOCKING! Bones of At Least Three Children Found in Memphis! Who Are They?

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[00:02:43]Other than getting exercise, I think the the upside to walking in an area, uh you know, other than, you know, if you think about going to go walk around a track, and I'm not I'm not judging anybody for walking around a track, all right, to get their exercise. But there's something about getting out in nature, you know, particularly you got your dog with you. Um you know, it's it's not just exercise, it's exploratory, right?

[00:03:15]Which is kind of cool, you know, because I think it stimulates the brain. You know, you can see all manner of things, whether it's other little animals that, you know, my dogs always want to chase, or it could be something unique, uh maybe bird, uh maybe, I don't know, uh some type of wildflower.

[00:03:36]Particularly right now, I love the smell of honeysuckle. I caught a whiff of it the other day.

[00:03:43]But you know, some things, when you're walking through the woods, you just don't expect to find.

[00:03:50]That brings us to Memphis, and not just Memphis, but a little neighborhood, a little area in Memphis called Hickory Hill, where all the way back in March, someone was on a walk.

[00:04:09]And what they found opened the door to a scene of pure horror.

[00:04:18]It was a single human skull.

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[00:04:30]Well, Dave, holy smokes.

[00:04:33]And we've been we've been digging deep into uh Celeste Revis. We've been, you know, prior to that, we've been digging deep, you know, into uh Ms. Guthrie's disappearance.

[00:04:47]And I always find it interesting in media, you know, what what what does media, big media, have an appetite for?

[00:04:56]Is what it comes down to.

[00:04:58]Um and certain things will just occupy the headlines, you know, uh and you could go on I could I could go on about this ad nauseam, but Dave, this is >> [gasps] >> this is an instance where, because we have multiple cases, um this is an instance where something needs to be said, >> [laughter] >> um not only from a forensic standpoint, but just from how did we wind up here with what turns out to be three sets of human skeletal remains.

[00:05:35]And by the way, those uh those skeletal remains are between the ages of three and seven.

[00:05:41]Uh you're not talking about um and and we don't know how old the bones are. We don't know, Jack. We we really know very little, except for the fact that, by the way, Joe, I was looking up the finder and the calls and things like that, cuz you're talking about March 8th. You mentioned that at the start.

[00:06:00]That this case this case becomes a an investigation with a dog walker or an anonymous call. Let me ask you about that, Joe, cuz you're usually All right.

[00:06:16]Police report.

[00:06:18]Okay. I want to go back to the very first thing here.

[00:06:24]Police respond to a suspicious person call.

[00:06:28]And that was the first story we heard.

[00:06:32]A suspicious person.

[00:06:34]But then, a person out walking their dog finds a skeleton, or finds a skull, rather.

[00:06:43]Yeah. Now, there's a big difference to me between an anonymous call that supposedly comes in, a dog walker finding a skull, and police being sent to an area for a suspicious person.

[00:06:58]Because those are the three things we've been told about these uh bones and and their discovery.

[00:07:04]I don't know which one's true, but those are the cuz I I went back and double-checked, and I'm going, "Okay, we're talking about the chief of police giving her press conference, you know, and saying that a person walking a dog came across a skull."

[00:07:19]But then, we're going back to the initial report. And the police police were there because of a call about a suspicious person.

[00:07:27]And then we have an anonymous call about bones or something. So, right at the bat, I'm concerned. And And why are we only hearing about this now in late April when this happened on March 8th?

[00:07:41]>> Yeah, I've I've got some I've got some insight into that, I think, and that was one of the big questions initially that I had.

[00:07:49]And back to this kind of, whatever it is, amalgam of three different, you know, sets of information that are coming in.

[00:07:59]>> [gasps] >> Uh 911 centers are controlled chaos, all right? And you don't know, first off, you don't know what status of anybody is that's calling in. You know, they're not calling Nobody calls 911 most of the time to say, "Hey, I've just had a great day."

[00:08:18]And so, you don't know if something has gotten lost in translation here relative to the person calling in or how they're presenting themselves or what they're saying. They might refuse to give their name.

[00:08:31]Then, the person receiving the call, you don't know what their status is, either. I mean, I have met some people that work in 911 centers that are off the charts relative to their ability to extract information from people just on a phone line in worst-case scenarios.

[00:08:53]Now, I'm talking about highly detailed information that turns out to be true many times, or at least their interpretation is kind of within the ballpark.

[00:09:03]Then, there are others.

[00:09:06]You you don't know. It's like, "Well, is my shift almost over with?" So, you don't really know where the disconnect is here, but yeah, it's very, very confusing.

[00:09:16]And here's the here's the tough part about that. When you have confusion on the front end of being notified about something, that sets the table for how law enforcement's going to respond to the scene. Okay, because didn't you say one was suspicious person? That was the first call. The the reason The reason police responded was a suspicious person call in the 3,400 block of the road of that day.

[00:09:44]>> you you've got suspicious person. Mhm.

[00:09:47]Well, that's completely different than somebody saying, "Well, I've I found a skull." Right.

[00:09:54]>> Uh because it it sets it sets the table, cuz look, if you say that you have found a human skull, you're going to have the flares going to go up at this point in time and that almost in not in every single case, you're going to have a uniform that's going to show up.

[00:10:11]But automatically, human skull equals we've got to we've got to spin up crime scene, we've got to spin up detectives, CID, oh, and we've got to spin up the ME.

[00:10:24]Suspicious person, you've got a lone patrol officer that's going to roll up and sometimes it turns out to be nothing. They roll up and they say, "Hey, uh you know, if they can find the caller." Or they just might be bumping around in the dark, you know, I got a suspicious person call that's anonymous.

[00:10:45]I don't know. I don't know where to go with it.

[00:10:47]They just kind of ride around looking for a sus- And how do you define suspicious person in a neighborhood? You know, it could be somebody's cousin that's taking the trash out that's just staying for a couple of days. Or it could be somebody that's peeping in windows. You just never know. And so, early on, Dave, with with this particular data that's coming in, it makes for it makes for a confusing confusing scenario from jump street.

[00:11:14]Yep. And so, I went and pulled the actual police report uh that was sent out to the media with the headline saying NPD investigates human remains located along Ridge Meadow Parkway. And the investigation began on March 8th, 2026, when officers responded to a suspicious person call in the 3400 block of Ridge Meadow Parkway.

[00:11:38]An anonymous caller reported a possible human skull near a wooded area. Now, Joe, those are two they're lumping it together. I guess a human skull is a person or they're a former person. I mean, I would not I I would not say a human skull being found is the same as a suspicious person. No, it's not. And so, this is my problem with this from the very beginning. And then, if you've got an anonymous call about a suspicious person or an anonymous call about a skull, why do we have the dog walker coming into this? Um you know, you've mentioned many times how dogs show up with a a bone and that they tend to love skulls.

[00:12:22]They do. So, anyway, but then you got the dates. I built you the timeline because the timeline of discovery. You you pointed out, "Why are we really only hearing about this in the last week?"

[00:12:33]You know? Um March 8th, the anonymous call about a suspicious person. Um Then we have uh the the discovery of bones, you starting with that skull, which is understandable. But then, uh going beyond that, Joe, to three human beings that are believed to be children between the ages of three and seven.

[00:13:05]And I all I'm looking at is are is this a fresh dumping ground? Did somebody kill three people? I mean, cuz it takes a while to have skeletonized bones. And in this case, the official word right now is investigators don't know the age of the bones, how long these bones have been there.

[00:13:30]>> And that's important to understand. When you start to talk about skeletal remains in the sense of age, be very very careful how you frame that.

[00:13:40]Uh or how you interpret that in your mind um because we have age. Age means how old was the person at the time of death, okay? And there's certain developmental things, cues, uh uh disease, uh skeletal skeletal disease, all these sorts of things factor in relative to the age of the skeletal remains. And then, you've got a separate set which is still it's top critical, um how long have these remains been out there? In that sense, >> [sighs and gasps] >> an approximation of I hate to say time of death, but when when when you have skeletal remains, it takes a protracted period of time for them to naturally render down.

[00:14:30]And so, and I was talking to somebody about this the other day, Dave, it's like so, if you imagine a terminal event in someone's life, it starts off as a a central point, right?

[00:14:45]And if we're looking at this almost uh I don't know, would it be uh uh geometrically, I guess? Or maybe uh if you look at it as a central point in time, as you go down that timeline and decomposition begins to take place, if you think about it as a ship, right? Um it gets broader and broader and broader as you move down the timeline till it's real wide, where it's really hard to narrow down when this occurred. So, you get out to the idea where you've got skeletal skeletal remains and I don't know, Dave, that they have all of the skeletal elements. I'm thinking they don't because they've put out a number.

[00:15:30]>> [sighs and gasps] >> They don't have all of the skele- the number of skeletal remains that are there.

[00:15:36]This thing is so broad, I think that it's really really difficult to kind of um really get a tight estimation on how long they have been there. One interesting thing though I'm thinking right now is that they're saying that they have a specific uh they've got uh three separate individuals, okay?

[00:15:59]So, if you take all three of those individuals, their their remains, and you lay them out, do the age and wear patterns seem similar? You see what I'm saying? Like, how how long they've been out there? Are they are they degraded to the same level, you know, at that you know, from that perspective?

[00:16:22]And that that's just a little piece to this because, you know, back to your earlier statement, I'm fascinated by this, is this dumping area. Mhm. You know, like have we have we come into an environment now where [clears throat] maybe some predator has you know, offed little kids because what was that age range that we have right now?

[00:16:45]>> Yes.

[00:16:46]Three to seven. Three to seven years of age. God bless them, man. Three to seven. You know, and what are the odds?

[00:16:54]Dude, I I got to tell you, in my years, I have never come across three separate remains, skeletal remains of children.

[00:17:04]And certainly children that their age range is three to seven.

[00:17:10]They spent a lot of time here with these remains examining these remains.

[00:17:14]The question is, what more specific information do they have?

[00:17:21]And what will it reveal regarding what happened to these little [music] angels?

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[00:20:39]>> [music] >> I've got a I've got to bang the drum just here for a second. My friends, I arguably have the best co-host and producer in the business, and this is why. This man, brother Dave, has set out a timeline for me that is par excellence, and I want to go back to one of these points that you made along the way, Dave. You You had noted that um that along the way, you know, we had a dog that was involved in this case early on, you know, with the dog walker, you know, where the remains are are are discovered.

[00:21:22]But you know, Dave, they they brought out um I think that was on the 8th when that initial call came in.

[00:21:30]The police came out on the 9th, which is kind of interesting, you know, that you've got this I don't necessarily understand that gap.

[00:21:42]But it was on the 10th that cadaver dogs arrive at the scene.

[00:21:48]And you know, cadaver dogs and I know that this sounds kind of nitpicky. Cadaver dogs don't go out >> [gasps] >> and find a body. They go out and what they're searching for, there's two elements that's on their their olfactory spectrum. They're looking for two elements. There are two volatile compounds that are out there. It's hang on, let me see.

[00:22:20]Cadaverine and putrescine, okay? There's two things, these elements that are being given off in a gaseous state, and so their their noses are tuned into this, and they're picking this up.

[00:22:34]When they show up, um they're you know, they're it's driving their senses wild, you know, they can they can smell putrescine is actually kind of an interesting compound because we not only see it in in what you're thinking about relative to uh the dead, uh for instance, but did you know putrescine um is actually um an an element that can be found um Dave in bad breath.

[00:23:08]And so it yeah, you know, you think about anybody that that blows that dragon breath in your face early in the morning, um and I've certainly blown my share of it.

[00:23:18]Uh you know, that's that's kind of what they're you know, they're they're honing in on, you know, these two these two compounds.

[00:23:27]So, I guess the big question is how far down range how far down range do dogs have to go where are do the elements that they're searching for, how far down range do they go where you can no longer detect this?

[00:23:47]Well, I've had people ask me that before.

[00:23:50]But when you're talking about a collection of remains, Dave, it doesn't matter that they can't sniff out every single element. The important part here from an investigative standpoint is that all all you need is one element, one rib, one vertebral body, one femur. Uh I don't know, you know, you you insert here one element of the hand, you know, because they're in if they get that hit on that area, that's where the cops begin to to search.

[00:24:20]Um you had asked me why and I don't think you asked me, but you put it out there because now we're finding out about this, and we're well into April, brother, you know, at this point. This has occurred I mean, we're approaching almost 2 months ago. Well, in a couple weeks it'll be 2 months ago.

[00:24:40]Um Dave, I think I think that this field, this evidence field that you're talking about, >> [sighs and gasps] >> um I don't think everything's contained in that one spot. It It might be, but I think that what they're dealing with is so incredibly gruesome >> [clears throat] >> that they had to really kind of develop a big area to make sure they had everything contained, and to this point I would all all sources are, you know, all indications are that that yeah, they've kind of narrowed this down into this one particular field or crime scene area. Um and I'm sure they've searched beyond it.

[00:25:22]So, this is where the concentration of the remains are, and the remains are actually found in kind of an interesting area, aren't they, Dave? Well, I before we get into the actual thing, I I wanted to I've got a couple of questions for you, okay? All right. March 8th, the phone call comes in.

[00:25:40]March 9th, investigators followed up what was found previous day, the skull.

[00:25:45]Um because when they first got out there, obviously no idea of what we're really dealing with. You know, at first it was suspicious call, or then it's a skull. So, when they come out on the 9th, they recover more bones and start looking around the area and start making a plan. They actually find a human skull right there at the woodline, near the where the woods begin. And so, the next day they bring out the cadaver dogs, you mentioned, on March 10th, and that takes the canine units, they head off towards the drainage pipe. And it's this drainage pipe um that the cadaver dogs hit on about the presence the possible presence, rather, of additional human bones. Now, Joey, right off the bat on this case, um you've taught me to look at the finder, you know, which is why I'm really stuck on how this launched, but who's in charge when you have the Memphis Police Department, the FBI, which by the way, FBI and Homeland Security being called in right off the bat, that struck me as just a little different. Um it's not like Memphis has a small police department. They've got, you know, Anyway, so you've got the Memphis Police Department, FBI, TBI, uh the Memphis Fire Department, Shelby County Sheriff's Office, and Homeland Security all are involved in this case, and press conference was conducted by the Memphis Police Department Chief of Police.

[00:27:18]So, who's in charge, Joe, when you have all these different entities? The Memphis Police, uh plain and simple, and you know, listen, I would imagine, and this is just me kind of spitballing here, that when they when they discovered what they had, okay?

[00:27:40]Yeah, they called all these other governmental entities or, you know, law enforcement agencies and of course our friends in the fire service, and and they're there for support role, I would imagine, cuz we don't know how far back into they have certain the fire fire service has certain resources that they can provide, things like very powerful outdoor lighting that illuminates the night. They actually have things that are called light trucks.

[00:28:07]So, and they can provide all kinds of things. However, uh I digress.

[00:28:13]Um If there is something >> [clears throat] >> that is potentially prosecutable here, it's going to be the Memphis PD. Now, they do not have the skillset that say FBI evidence response team has, but I can tell you who's actually leading the investigation from a forensic standpoint, it's going to be a forensic anthropologist.

[00:28:39]Uh and potentially more than one because you're talking about an area, and again, we don't know a lot about containment of the remains. We know about um this drainage pipe, which is interesting to me, first off.

[00:28:57]>> [sighs and gasps] >> But you're going to have to have somebody that has the ability to view the site from a very macro sense, very broadly, to a micro sense where they're breaking it down to each little element and trying to interpret not just uh how the age of the person at death, and not just how long the remains have been there, but they're going to be looking at um depositional patterns here. How How these bones are distributed, okay? Because it's weird, you know, bones can, you know, be distributed over a vast area, or you can have a contained area that almost begins to take on the nature of like an ossuary, where you have like several sets of bones that are held in one area.

[00:29:48]Um And they're having to try to understand that um regarding this.

[00:29:54]Um And so everything would have to be processed in the most detailed manner possible.

[00:30:06]And I'm talking about a full-on excavation, Dave, where this whole thing, you know, we're talking about the time here that it took for everyone to be alerted or the public, rather.

[00:30:18]Dave, this whole area wherever they've set up, you know, that's where the dogs come in, you know, where they're the dogs are walking around. They're trying to determine what the extent of these remains are, the deposition of the remains. But Dave, this whole thing would be cordoned off and then they're going to create a massive grid area. It's going to be multiple grids. I don't know what the dimensions of the grids would be.

[00:30:40]Maybe it could be anything from 1 ft by 1 ft or it could be 1 yd by 1 yd.

[00:30:47]Uh and it'll be lined off that way and you're working each individual grid.

[00:30:51]Just think about like if you've ever seen the excavations, you and I are both history guys.

[00:30:57]Uh you've seen the the excavations like at I don't know, Jamestown, right?

[00:31:01]Where, you know, and you see how they kind of methodically go through each area because every little element counts.

[00:31:09]Every little element counts here. We don't know how these kids, these children, these very young children came to their end. Are we talking about a triple execution here?

[00:31:20]Well, if we're talking about triple triple execution, we're not just looking for bones, elements of clothing.

[00:31:28]We're trying to find perhaps lead core projectiles that may have passed through the body and we don't want anybody trampling on anything.

[00:31:38]So all of these elements come in. Oh, by the way, was any dirt thrown over them?

[00:31:43]Or did they just, you know, what we call surface deposition where the bodies are just kind of laid out? That's where this culvert or drainage pipe or whatever it is comes in because I got questions here.

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[00:35:18]So [music] how do we get here? Or I guess a better question is how did they get here? And Dave, that's Wow. that's one of the big questions.

[00:35:29]Um how is it that you have three children that wind up in the same area? Um and listen, I'm going to be very blunt here.

[00:35:41]We do not or they do not I'm lapsing back into my old investigator mindset where, you know, I'm actually Um they do not have all of the remains.

[00:35:53]Right. Because right now, correct me if I'm wrong, we've got a skull and then we have 14, I think, additional skeletal remains that have been Uh well, hang on, we've got two skulls and then we've got 14 additional skeletal remains, so Mhm. you know, where how how did how did all of these wind up here? I think is a the salient question. Well, and again, we've got three sets of bones, three bodies. All right, three remains of three people. Now, what we've been told, between the ages of 3 and 7, and we don't know how long the bones have been where they were found. We don't know if the bones were buried and then due to rain, whatever, were uncovered and then ended up floating towards the drainage ditch. We don't know. Uh we don't know if the other bones at this point were found under dirt. We only know they've been found. But Joe, there is an assumption that is not based in any fact that, well, these are three children, they're siblings. And I I'm not one to go there and the reason is really simple, Gilgo.

[00:37:13]At Gilgo, we had rema- bones in one general area that were planted there over an extended period of time, not related to one another other than the killer. And so in this case, we have the remain- bones of three different individuals between the ages of 3 and 7.

[00:37:33]The area that we find these, well, Joe, across the street from an elementary school, across the street from a Head Start Center, and right next to a church.

[00:37:45]Yeah. So we've got an area here that is chock-full of children on a regular basis. So as we open up this case, how are we going to determine A, how long were these bones there in this where they were found?

[00:38:06]Because somebody, let's just say it's children that were kept out of the public eye. You know, they were raised at home, never left home, and they were they killed and they were dead and they became bones and now we just go and scatter the bones.

[00:38:20]Can that be determined? Or were was this a a dump zone where bodies were dumped at the same time or at different times?

[00:38:30]Uh can we determine these things, Joe? I guess is my bottom line because I go back to Gilgo and I think of all you know, we still have we still have remains at Gilgo that have not been identified, that have not been directly under the Huermann. Uh so I'm just I'm not willing to say these are three siblings. Not not at this yeah, not at this time. I I think that certainly that's on the table.

[00:38:59]Okay?

[00:39:00]However, what we do know, let's let's look at it what we do know. For for whatever reason, I have to I have to I know that this is scientifically based. They're saying specifically, Dave, they have three.

[00:39:13]Even though we only have two skulls.

[00:39:14]Well, how do we arrive at that? Well, look at the age range we're talking about, three to seven. There's so many changes that take place developmentally in children from that period and all parents out there know this.

[00:39:29]From three till seven, oh my lord.

[00:39:32]Um you know, just you're thinking about like uh like the growth plates in the bones, they're they're at specific uh they're specific markers [clears throat] for those as a child ages, okay? So, for some reason they've been able to look at the remains that they have and say, "Okay, these are three separate individuals." Now, will we be able to determine how long they have been out there? Is it possible to look Let's just say that we take these three individuals. Well, what representative sample do we have from all of these individuals? Well, obviously we've got two skulls. We know that those are related to two individual people, and then we have all the rest of these elements. We don't know what these elements are. Are they ribs, vertebrae, are they long bones, or are they elements of the hands and the feet? You know, at this We don't know, brother. And so, what what they're going to do, they're going to kind of compare and contrast, right?

[00:40:31]So, they're going to look at all three of these elements and say, "Do these elements all have the same patina?" Which is what happens with bone as it's exposed. You can see it with casketed bodies. There's a patina that comes about on the bone that goes to aging. Now, I do know this.

[00:40:54]One statement that they have made is they have used the term >> [clears throat] >> the word years.

[00:41:03]Okay, they're saying years.

[00:41:06]Now, you started from the top saying it takes takes Well, for body to skeletonize, right? So, there's no more soft tissue.

[00:41:14]Okay, that's probably gone, which is not unreasonable considering this is an outdoor situation. This is not like you have a casketed body where you can go out decades and decades, and still when you remove that casketed body, [clears throat] you're going to have soft tissue elements. Now, they won't It's kind of a misnomer. They're not necessarily soft. They're almost leather-like, but you still have that tissue. You ain't got that here, brother. All right, so you've got these remains, three separate sets.

[00:41:49]I think the skulls play a big part into this. And also, here's another bit, too.

[00:41:55]>> [gasps] >> Uh, these skulls can be raced, as well.

[00:41:59]You can come up with what race are these skulls.

[00:42:05]Um, you can understand that. You can also look for any kind of physical deformities that you see on these remains just eyeballing them, okay?

[00:42:19]Then, the the next question that kind of pops up on the radar, this goes to the familial thing. You know where I'm going here.

[00:42:27]Is there anywhere we can harvest DNA?

[00:42:30]Okay.

[00:42:31]If we have skulls, my big question is, do we have teeth? Okay.

[00:42:35]Long bones are fine. They're fine. We do have skulls. I think that recently we talked about the petrous bone inside of skulls.

[00:42:43]>> [gasps] >> If they open these skulls, which, you know, there's a high probability they will, maybe you can get something out of the petrous bone. If there's teeth, that's where I'm going.

[00:42:54]And Dave, you don't have to get them all identified, brother.

[00:42:57]Just get one identified.

[00:42:59]Because they're in Remember, we have talked about this over and over and over again. If we can determine the identity of somebody, that's the proverbial thread that you pull on any investigation involving the dead. Because there, the whole narrative begins to open up.

[00:43:18]I I got to tell you, there's something so bizarre about this because just given what we know right now, okay?

[00:43:28]It makes me want to scream out, "Hey, anybody that's missing three kids, raise your hand, please."

[00:43:35]You know, and I I know this sounds really flippant, but they we're we're not talking about we're not talking about three adults that have been living on the street for a protracted period of time. They've been involved in things they shouldn't been involved in, and we've got bodies, okay?

[00:43:52]We're talking about three really, really young kids. Who's missing three kids?

[00:44:00]I One of the first questions I asked about this, I know that I know we've got this culvert drain drainage pipe there. You know, one of the first questions I asked, because this has happened, >> [gasps] >> um, is there an abandoned graveyard around here?

[00:44:16]You know, was there Because you know, you'll have this lots times. And notice I didn't say cemetery, I said graveyard.

[00:44:23]Was there an old church that may have occupied the space at some point in time?

[00:44:27]And there is an old graveyard that's there, which graveyards are associated with churches, and did a bad job of, you know, uh, burying these bodies.

[00:44:43]But hydrology is going to come into this, I think. Where is Where is Hickory Hill?

[00:44:49]Well, by virtue of saying this area is hill, that means that it's elevated.

[00:44:55]Well, why is that important? Because, baby, we're talking about Memphis.

[00:45:00]If anybody's ever spent time in Memphis, if you've ever been there, um, they they deal with a little thing called flooding and standing water.

[00:45:09]Because you're you're not in the Mississippi Delta, but you're adjacent to the Mississippi River.

[00:45:15]>> [sighs and gasps] >> Did anything Did water surge in there and kind of, you know, bring remains out?

[00:45:21]Um, also, the the culvert, you know, this drainage pipe. Did somebody kill three children >> [clears throat] >> and put them into a drainage pipe?

[00:45:32]And they've just been kind of sitting there for this protracted period of time?

[00:45:37]Another big question, Dave, is how is it that after because they I'm not using term They they said years, okay?

[00:45:47]How is it that back there on What was the date in March? March 8th?

[00:45:52]>> 8th.

[00:45:54]Why is it that on that particular day that that particular dog walker Why is it that And it wasn't necessarily the dog that did it. Why is it that this is the first time that you find a skull? Mhm. Why Why Why Why Why is that skull out there? And you know, and I've talked about canine activity in the past, as you stated off the top, >> [sighs and gasps] >> where you got a canine found skull, and they love to play with it. That's just the the nature of dogs.

[00:46:23]I don't know. There's so many questions here, because I thought with the culvert, if it's if you've got, you know, the hydrology as I'd mentioned, um, is it washing? You know, is it Did it Were they deposited upstream from the culvert?

[00:46:40]And these rain these these remains have kind of tumbled down over period of time. Dave, didn't you say I I think that it's mentioned that they did Didn't they do a study of the drainage system in here, as well? Yeah, they actually pulled out the the cameras, you know, and went into the drainage system from the front where they could gain where the dogs had hid. Um, went that way, and then they they being investigators entered the pipe at a different area. And that was like on I'm I've got the dates, like March 16th, um, was when they started peeling back the, uh, That's when they used cameras, okay? So, again, March 8th, call comes in, body's found, or, you know, March 9th, skull is found. March 16th, we go to the drainage pipe with the cameras. On April 1st, Joe, and I don't know why there's such a time period here, but on April 1st, investigators access the drainage system from a nearby location and found what appeared to be an additional skull.

[00:47:50]First skull found March 8th, 9th. Second skull, April the 1st. The day after they found the skull, search teams conducted a coordinated canvas of the area, and that resulted in the recovery of 14 additional bones consistent with human remains.

[00:48:09]And now, Joe, right off the bat, they're telling us that these bones have been out here for years. But in a drainage ditch, you're finding a skull, and then in an area scattered around more bones. Something seems odd to me.

[00:48:23]>> doesn't It's so skewed to me, you know, um, and look, I understand why they got so many eyes on this. Well, first off, it's terrifying. You've got three dead kids, and they're skeletonized, okay?

[00:48:35]I'm going to want I'm calling in cavalry, okay? God bless Memphis PD.

[00:48:41]They got a hard job, brother. Memphis is not an easy is not an easy place, all right?

[00:48:47]>> while you bring that up, it's important to note, the FBI does not insert itself into local issues. They have to be called in.

[00:48:54]>> Invited. Yeah, you're right. They have to be invited. Yeah. And listen, uh, the recent unpleasantness in, uh, Pima County, uh, Arizona, a tip of the cap to Memphis PD Mhm. uh, understanding that maybe maybe we need help on this.

[00:49:16]And yeah, you're right. Homeland Security, FBI in particular, they have to be invited in. The Memphis field office has which is a big office, has gotten involved in this, and they've thrown their resources at it. And also, when you bring their resources in, in on [clears throat] site, guess what?

[00:49:36]>> [sighs and gasps] >> You've got other elements back east.

[00:49:39]Mhm. Specifically Quantico. Now, that flip that switch is flipped as well. So, you're going to have a lot of people on this and um this is the type of case or cases where you're going to want the best minds in human osteology, the forensic anthropology world.

[00:50:04]>> [sighs and gasps] >> You're going to want them working. And listen, Tennessee, as we all know, even though this is Western Tennessee, it's home it's home with the body farm, right? I mean, arguably the top names in forensic anthropology, you know, have come out of the state of Tennessee, all right?

[00:50:21]Um Memphis has had a history of having excellent forensic anthropologists associated with that office. The FBI has those resources. And you're going to have a lot of people scratching their heads over this. The firm but I I still I still I still assert here >> [sighs and gasps] >> that whatever they have the next big step is trying to determine who these children are.

[00:50:50]And I hope that this case is going to be bumped to the head of the line.

[00:50:56]First off, it's terrifying.

[00:50:58]If you live in Hickory Hill I I got questions. You know, if I'm living there, I I want to know are there three little kids that found in culvert or adjacent to a culvert in a drainage system?

[00:51:10]Why is somebody walking down the road and they're finding a skull?

[00:51:14]You know, so there's an urgency to this, I think, because as we know, even though they're saying years, the further down the timeline we move um the more that is lost. I'm hopeful in sense that they've kind of staked this moment in time, they frozen it, you know, as best they can. You know, and kind of held onto it. Now, the investigation is going to kick into a higher gear here trying to determine you know, who these who these children are. Um Again, going back to um you know, I I I'd want to know things like well, first off, have there been how many are there any other missing children in this specific zip code? And there are And when I say zip code, I mean like in the Hickory Hill area, okay? How many other little kids that are fitting within this time frame uh are there that are missing out of this area, okay? Because if we're And just follow me here. If we're going down this this this route where this could be, you know, some kind of predatory behavior where they're you know, they're placing remains out there is that is that a real thing? Has that happened? Are there other kids that are missing that fit within you know, this uh age age group, okay?

[00:52:35]>> [gasps] >> Um [sighs] how many of them are there? How long have they been missing? You know, when were they last seen? Is this something that's unique to this area?

[00:52:45]Um and have there been any other oddities that have occurred in Hickory Hill?

[00:52:53]Um Uh and I'm I mean like people that have uh you know, the the the disturbing part that you mentioned, Dave, for me is is the church but certainly the school.

[00:53:05]You know, are you know, are are we looking for for dudes in overcoats? You know, they're walking along the fence line at the school and looking in there.

[00:53:15]Dave, do we do we have any sexual predators that live in this area that have been identified by the state, okay?

[00:53:23]Trust me, they're going down that road with this.

[00:53:26]Um but the key Yeah.

[00:53:29]>> me ask you this because this area of Memphis that we're talking about is very close to the state border with Arkansas.

[00:53:36]>> Yes, it is.

[00:53:37]Um Mississippi.

[00:53:41]It's south south uh eastern Memphis. So, you're going to be dealing with the possibility of having to if you're going to investigate out from there that it could have the these >> Yeah, I mean, so there's another strange >> You're right. It's not as the crow flies. Brother, it's it's really cuz I I'm glad you said that because I'll say the same thing. Um It's it's nothing to hop over the state line and you're right there in Hickory Hill, uh you know, within a few miles.

[00:54:13]Uh and listen, I've got a lot of friends uh that live in northern Mississippi and they have worked in Memphis. It's a it's an easy it's an easy uh thing. So, you're you're right there.

[00:54:24]>> about it. You remember the West Memphis 3 uh that case that came out back in the day and uh it was actually Arkansas. Yeah, that was our Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so, >> [sighs and gasps] >> yeah, this is dipping down into your you're getting close to the northern to the border of northern Mississippi in this area, too. So, you know, and again, that goes into the area that not a lot of people talk about but it's out there as a geographic uh profiling. Um you know, where you're thinking about potentials.

[00:54:53]Uh because yeah, we don't have to say just to the folks in uh in Tennessee, our friends there, is anybody missing three kids? We got to go into Mississippi and say, "Hey, who's missing three kids?" Uh again, it that's the troubling part to all of this.

[00:55:09]Um how do you have three kids that go missing? Is there another explanation?

[00:55:14]Are these were these legitimate burials?

[00:55:17]Which right now, I'm thinking no, because if this is an affected area like a graveyard, okay, where you have remains and I want to kind of put this to rest. Where you have remains that have floated to the top because of hydrology or taphonomy and all the stuff that uh you know, that goes on with the dead that are buried why is it only three kids? Why don't you have other remains that have surfaced? And I I'm not inside the investigative bubble but I would imagine if there were other elements that they found, they would have mentioned it. They'd honed in on three kids, though, with a very specific age range. So, that tells me that the anthropologists are certainly hard at work here. Again, that's another reason I think that this has taken so long to make it into the news cycle.

[00:56:14]And I can tell you this.

[00:56:16]We have not heard the last of this.

[00:56:21]Because going back to what Body Bags is all about we're going to talk about these babies.

[00:56:29]And any information that we get that has some type of forensic value that we can discuss, we're going to keep it in the cycle.

[00:56:38]Because you know what?

[00:56:42]I try not to be jaded.

[00:56:44]But folks, [clears throat] if you don't continue to breathe life into cases like this, just like in Gilgo they'll fade. They will fade. It'll be the next big shiny thing that'll come along. Let's not do that here.

[00:56:58]Let's keep the spotlight on this. And I I hope that it's something that is not as sinister as we might think it is.

[00:57:05]But y'all got to tell you this is a very very unique set of circumstances from the perspective of this old death investigator.

[00:57:14]More information's going to come out and as soon as it does Brother Dave and I going to hop on the air and we're going to tell you what we know and we're going to give you our insight into it.

[00:57:27]I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Body Bags.

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