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Now we know that the case that they were talking about that the claim that was associated with cases so this I want to take my head off to Am I even audible? Yeah. Okay, I'm audible. I want to take my head off to all the latest policemen who came here and just told us the truth.
The cold storage unit is just a bunch of liars, man. I don't want to tell you that. These people are not afraid to lie in court. They're not afraid to lie under oath. And the funny part is that the judge is not even realizing.
In fact, he's not even paying attention.
Is in fact turning a blind eye to the evidence that is clearly being exposed, clearly being displayed in court that there was a problem with this case when it was being investigated.
We can see it's it's evident this this policeman that they came to the stand just to lie to tell us some things that don't exist. Now the judge is busy trying to convince the defense to accept that there could be a front case that is connected to Gandhi which is not registered in the system but somehow the judge believes that case and he somehow believes it exist even though anything this paper is coming from traveling who made his own investigative work in Nong and came with the print out which showed that the accused who was the case wasn't it was actually the person that the lieutenant can was talking about today it was just it's just a shame it's happening that court just a shame the judge is trying to win just trying too hard to fight for the defense for the case for the state and you can see that that let's just walk and then come back with some more com and I'll come back to this aspect does the cast administration system as we speak today not in 2016 today does it reflect that there's a murder charge against Mr. Danzi in relation to the Nonga cast 163 of 2018.
>> No, why not?
>> 2016 Sure. Does that >> Sorry, sorry. Just before we proceeded, >> are you aware of something called South African the South African Secrets Act where they store amongst others the unfinished cases or stale cases?
Are you aware of that exigence?
>> No, I'm not aware.
>> The unit which is this guy was part of >> the court case unit.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. The court case unit.
>> Are you referring to the same thing Mr. Ramos is referring to or a different one?
>> No, I think it's a different because >> that's the point. Yeah.
>> Because the once the once this had to deal with was said by Mi that it is in terms of the official secrets act. Nobody has access to it unless you're a policeman.
Are you with me? I'm looking at my >> That's it.
>> You remember Mr. >> So why would this policeman not know about it? Because he's a policeman. You see the argument that judge is bringing up that don't make sense because he's talking about the National Secret Act.
Somehow this case exist and it's a secret. It's kept a secret. Only Muhammad knows about it.
This is just unbelievable. Look at how shaky is he is. He's just shaking. He's shaking around. You can see that he's trying to put you.
I mean, this is just just unbelievable.
This is unbelievable.
He's trying hard. He's just trying to listen some more to try to digest what I'm I'm trying to find >> the doc which you were reading here which was got by Mr. Mr. Somehow he got it from some policeman.
You remember?
>> Okay.
>> A page.
>> Yes, I remember.
>> Yes, it was.
>> Yeah, this was in this court >> from the system. I remember that page.
Yes.
>> And then it came here and then I issued an order that the councils here shouldn't have access to it. But I found you reading it all of you.
>> Yes.
>> I'm referring to that >> because that's what Mr. The official investigator of this case by the wayinda said he was busy with that these cases are all over and they have taken them together to form a unit of them.
>> Okay my lord I think firstly just listen to the Listen, if this case was being mixed up and being combined by India, why does the guy who investigating don't know about it? The the lieutenant colon was here, why doesn't he know about it?
And why does Rata know so much about these secret cases?
which was just told about by Muani and Gininda and he's believing it. But now this cop doesn't know about that type of process that he's talking about.
So he's trying hard. He's just he's just trying each and every whichever way he can convince you to roll with his opinions. He's just trying that. And that's how how he feels like uh he's helping the state.
You can see B is he's he's feeling ashamed wherever he's sitting there can't even shake because he's daily each and every day he's getting exposed.
All the cops that came that were called by the defense with the exception of general s you can tell that these people have been doing their job exceptionally. This cop has 30 years experience. That's what security said it it shows that he has experience in doing. He knows the cast system. He knows how to close a case after it has been through the j in courts. He knows He he knows the process all the process that are involved in order to communicate successfully with the cast system. Right?
To the point now the judge is trying so much to the point that now had to put her foot down at the end and say no man no matter why you are trying to ignore the fact that this case doesn't exist. It's up to you.
You can ignore it. that whether you like it or not, whether you don't appreciate the fact that this is a fact, it is a fact. This this officer is telling us that that case doesn't exist. The judge say no, he's not telling us that. But the officer is saying exactly that.
There's no case that says Dani was arrested for with that number case 163.
That's there's no way.
So the jud what is the judge hearing here in this case? Anyway guys, I didn't want to take too much of a time. I just wanted to get back to all of that. I want to jump now to the part where this is my best part where Muru put her foot down. I just want to give Muru her flowers today. She the queen the queen was on fire. The queen didn't want to listen to the rubbish that was coming from Russia from Ratta. She even had to adj. So Ratta was trying to play his tricks and say I'm not I'm not getting out. You can go out and and cool off. Sho had an ace up her sleeve and said no I'll do it tomorrow.
Now the judge had to had no choice. He had to get out. So the judge is acting as he's this law this law is is he he owns this law he knows how to apply only he knows how to apply he's acting as if there are no other judges there are no other law practitioners I mean the defense lawyers other watch judges that are watching him other defense other vlogs that are watching other lay men that are watching as people are watching.
I don't know how he feels about death that he's being watch every day when he's his performance is so so I don't I don't I don't know what application now because we've been we've been we've been here for over how many years? for over two years to three years three years I'm sorry I've never made an application for the disclosure information >> it's just a docket that you request want to see the docket not to read want to see the docket it was brought here before court >> what's what are you saying >> my lord if it's a force to arrest case 636 of 10 2014 I'm obliged to disclose it to my colleagues and I don't know what is so difficult by making an application to the state to say please finish me with the cop of the following do so that I can have a record as well >> it's not difficult >> I do that application >> there's your colleague >> he says I must place it on record is not >> which record he's just placed it on record on the microphone >> oh I thought when you speak there you're getting through to the microphone >> and make an application he says I must speak on microphone phone and make an >> Yes, I tell you. That's why I say I think it's on the record what you're saying.
>> Oh, yes. Yes, it's already there.
>> Hey, Marot. Is that difficult?
>> No, it's not. It's already there. Thank you.
>> Any questions, ma'am?
[clears throat] Why is the J sing? Oh, yeah. when when showing up like just show the disrespect just listen to the disrespect that is given to this I would understand if this kind of you know treatment was you know you it was directed to us men but even as we can see where this is go we can see that a a a solid basis has been laid by the defense is to put doubt in the in the state's case that the prosecutor is tainted, the lead investigator is tainted, star witness is tainted, he's got three versions that don't make sense.
And even if you believe either one of those versions, he's got nobody who can come and corroborate that evidence. Nobody.
Anybody he mentions in his statement denies what he's talking about he disowned by his own father because of the shenanigans he was building. Now let's just listen to the queen is going to give some schooling to that and put him in his place. I was so proud.
Canon, there is evidence that was tended before this court.
That's Sergeant Mo. And were investigating many cases against Mr. And one of those many cases was a case which falls under Nong K 163 stroke 10 of 2018.
I have no idea.
16310 2018.
And it is your evidence that you were the police officer that was allocated as an investigating officer under Nongo MC 163 10 of 2018. 18.
And the name of Bongani was never a suspect under this case. It never [snorts] Okay.
from your knowledge whether from the docket that is in front of you or whether from the system that we are able to check the history of the docket.
Have you seen any information or any entry saying that this case was requested by the cold case unit in Pritoria to investigate it?
There's no such insisting all what I know that they did arrive at Dongo with the intention to get all that was with us and it was a court going that's why they called me to assist with the copies I said the do is with the prosecutor I'm going to assist you by giving the number of the prosecutor talk to him and arrange how to get the copies that was the end of the story by by that You see, you can tell that even after all this, after this guy gave them this information, talk to the prosecutor, they never proceeded to the talk to the prosecutor because what did they do?
They knew that trying to get the doet from the prosecutor was going to give you some problems. So, what they did was just come and lie about the doet in court. Just talk about the doet as if it's there and the judge But I will believe you it's there. I mean look at this.
The the judges believing that there's some court case of murder about right but they never presented any of that anymore.
[laughter] system.
He knows how to deal with that.
He said he said that these people show that they didn't give their home because if they would have seen the case what was what Mr. In fact, General Kumar who was in the P.
They just drove here and still the was near.
So you see they never did they were not doing honest what I can highlight my as far as I'm concerned they did not do the homework because if they did their homework the go to show this is no longer is with Kumar who is educated. So they drove all the way too long to find that is not there.
But if they check it before they left Ptoria, it was going to easy for them to communicate me before even they drove down to unless if they doing work.
>> Look at the judge. Oh my god. This nervous he's a nervous. You can see you can tell that he's is having problems with with what is being said. It's just just can't digest it. There's big problems with how he is conceiving this big problem, 2018. But but for me doesn't make sense.
How would Muana know the case number?
>> Are you with me?
>> I don't >> I don't know my just >> No, no, I'm just saying common sense me tells me >> Gin. Wait, wait. Gin was here when we're dealing with confessions and what have you. One of the allegations was that this case involved the BHzi brothers. Do you remember that evidence?
>> Yes, ma'am. You >> remember? Yes. Take it from there.
You'll see the pieces.
which pieces.
>> So for me with my experience, I'm sorry to break.
It's so surprised that there is a person called >> in Nong where I follow the the case how it was unfolding that there were two boutlesis and one was said to be in prison.
Just listen to which one [clears throat] 2020.
He's with Lieutenant Kumar who is at KK.
So they drove all the way to Long to find that is not there. But if they check it before they left Ptoria, it was going to easy for them to communicate with me before even they drove down to >> is not like this.
>> Yes. If they do the Okay.
The penious serious death.
Okay. Thank you, Lieutenant.
[clears throat] [cough] When when they when they called you regarding the Nongo Marquez 16310 of 2018, the name of the suspect was not Mr. Bongan at the time when they called you.
>> That is correct. This was not And when the same doet was taken to the state advocate Mr. Gaba, the name of the suspect was not Mr. Bongani.
>> It was not. It was Mr. Is it also correct that you eventually received the docket back from Mr. Taba?
>> That is correct. I received it back from Mr. >> Why is the judge ignoring the fact that was never a suspect in the case? Why is I mean like this this is something that surprised me with these people like the cruelty is just on another level. I mean I would have thought like they had a vendetta with somebody who probably had a case before who did some crimes before and something like that but doesn't have a record. This gu was just an honest working guy. So he now has to deal with cases and this guy don't even feel pityful.
I mean it is just unbelievable.
come back with the name of the suspect as Bongani Danza when he came back from the prosecutor now >> coming back from prosecutor it was still bearing the name of Mr. not dance.
Okay. Do you know when that docket was closed >> by me?
>> No, it may not be.
>> Finalized.
>> Finalized. Yes.
>> It was finalized on the 25th of March, 2022.
25th March 2022 and what were the results that are endorsed outside in that do >> was found his charge >> and that person who was convicted under this case is >> no under You also testified that the two dosets were consolidated.
The nong 163 10 2018 and nong 410 stroke 12 of 2016.
This is correct.
163 2018 4 10 12 2016.
>> So it means when they were consolidated they were consolidated before trial.
>> [clears throat] >> That is correct. My lord when the nong case 16310 2018 was finalized was also 410 stroke 12 2016 finalized. That is correct. My Lord 2018 126.
>> Do you know where what were the results?
>> When did the first one 410 >> 410?
>> Yes, I do know.
>> Can you tell the court?
>> First count. There were 11 counts in total, but the first count was live in Brisbane.
And the person who was convicted there was its no it was Mr. >> So it means both of them as they were consolidated but they were also finalized.
>> That is correct my lord.
Okay, I've heard there is a notice of right that has been read in this court and we have also been referred to the OB and wherein Mans was detained under Nongo Marquez 16310 of 2018.
Yes, I saw that.
2018.
>> So it means Mr. Danzi was detained under the case that was not investigated by Mr. Moan.
>> That is correct.
[clears throat] >> It was investigated by me 160 of was the investigating office.
16 2018 but for me doesn't make sense.
How would know the case number?
>> Are you with me?
>> I don't.
>> You see it [clears throat and snorts] it is it is achy. It is itchy. He's itching to say something.
How does Mana know the case number?
Obviously, Moanu can go into the system and get any case number that he wants to pick up to paste it on somebody.
That's how he can get it.
So, I don't understand how the judge because he knows what that statement that that was made by Molu what he does.
Moano was lying when he say he was investigating a case that was involving Danzi concerning matter like he was he was not he's he was lying. So the judge comes in quickly to defend because he can see that his uh this this these cartoons that are called prosecutors are not are just sitting there. So he was expecting something from them. So they didn't stand up.
So he's helping them now.
>> Hello.
>> I don't know my lot. Just tell me.
>> No, no. I'm just saying common sense. Me tells me >> Gin. Wait, wait. Gin was here when we're dealing with confessions and what have you. One of the allegations was that this case involved the Blesi brothers.
Do you remember that evidence?
>> Yes, ma'am.
>> You remember? Yes.
>> Take it from there. You'll see the pieces.
So for me with my experience I'm sorry to brag so surprised that there is a person called in Nongo when I follow the the case how it was unfolding that there were two boutlesis and one was said to be in prison and when the ginas went there they found that that person is dead etc etc etc. That's how you you go about investigation.
So it's like these guys were chasing.
>> So let's let's just take the story of Rat.
There was one in prison and when they got there he's dead.
So what about this one that that was convicted because of the lat the lieutenant colony the one who was really convicted for a possession of ammunition and firearm not matter? What about him?
Is he is he dead as well?
The judge is confused man.
An non-existent human being. Greninda went to the airport, they went to Nadal, etc., etc. So, you can take it from there.
>> Where is By the way, where is Natal?
This this judge is crazy, man. I mean, they went to the airport and then and then what?
It doesn't still answer the fact that that case is nowhere that mu that that case that muan talked about about is nowhere to be found. We're still looking for it and he never show you any document rather but you still believe that it's there. That's the funny part.
>> Problem is that here >> the person is arrested and is detained on the case that does not exist.
And then the court is asking me from where Mu gets that case number. That's what we're trying to show the court that fabricated the evidence.
>> You are right because you are busy with the case of not of Senzo.
We are busy with the case of Senzo and the the the epithets of the soal mutzi brothers they emanate from that case as far as I was following the the evidence >> let's listen to this garage man what is he trying to do here man like can you explain >> we can ask >> and lord the case that they refer to this court to it's a false case it does not exist that's what we're trying to establish You have heard me. You've heard me.
>> Yes, >> you're fine.
>> That's what you clarify with this witness, my lord. To say that case that moane referred this court to whether it's fori and it's a false case that does not exist.
>> Okay, >> that's what this witness is telling this court.
>> He never said it's a false case.
>> It's a false case. It does not exist.
>> Listen to that.
>> It may not be just registered. Just just educate my brother, him, my sister.
>> Do you know whether it exists or not?
There's only one case that exist is this one.
>> Register.
>> Register.
>> Hey, he gets mad when he doesn't get the answer that he's looking for. He gets really mad. Look at this face, man.
>> That's the word we should use.
>> Not exist because you can't vouch to the existence of that case.
>> I'm sorry, my lord. The case >> language for you.
>> But the court, the case cannot exist if it's not registered in the system of the SAPS.
This one that Mo referred to does not appear anywhere in the >> listen to Oh, like is is this how the judge supposed to react to the the input of the defense? Oh, like is is this how it is supposed to be done? We don't know man. We we are the we are lay men. So please just call us those who know the >> the system of the SAPS >> and for us consequently doesn't exist.
>> It doesn't exist. Let's not be shy to say this.
>> No, fine. Fine.
>> Let's not protect the evidence. My lord, >> I'm not Uhhuh. Please.
>> It does. It does not exist. My lord, >> I'm 8 years old. Okay.
>> Yes, my lord.
>> I'm older than your father.
>> Yes, my lord. Yes, I am.
>> Just treat me with respect.
>> I'm I'm treating with respect.
>> Fine.
>> But let's >> Okay. Okay. Just go on. Go on. respect the facts my lord this case that moan referred this court to does not exist whether it's difficult to swallow that but is the truth that exist in this case I'm sure yeah just tell >> can I ask for the agendment my lord I cannot proceed under these circumstances >> I've been distracted >> definitely rubbish definitely rubbish circumstances. I mean, the judge is just full of >> I need to cool down myself.
>> Yeah, you can go out and cool down. I'm not getting >> I can't proceed today, my lord.
>> Yeah, fine. No problem.
>> When do you want?
Tomorrow?
>> Yes.
>> Are you available, sir? Tomorrow.
>> I'll try to make my principal because >> I'm going to arrest the arrest my principal because I was here for for one day. for one day only.
>> It's one day only.
>> Guys, this judge is just a shame. This is just a shame, man.
This 50 years experience doesn't really mean much because if Shabani was looking at crime and fraud in front of him in the form of Balu and Gininda trying to convince him to change his statement and he did nothing. It shows you that experience sometimes it falls on deaf ears on it falls on inactive people. They they can't use it when it when it the times calls for it. Look at this judge now.
He's always telling about telling us about this 50 years of experience. What what but does any of it shine through when you're looking at this performance?
Nothing like that. Anyway guys, let me not take too much of your time. Thank you for those who check the live. Thank you for those who going to check the live when I'm gone. And please subscribe. If you're not subscribed, hit that notification bell so that when we drop more content like this, you are notified. You're in the loop.
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