The panel offers a refreshing pivot toward internal accountability, challenging the monolithic narratives often imposed on Black female identity. It effectively bridges the gap between systemic critique and personal agency, fostering a more nuanced dialogue on community self-improvement.
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We can kill We can kill all this. We can kill all this. Say like, "Do you want to be next?"
>> Anytime you ready, baby. I was supposed to be there.
>> We can We can We can do >> knocks out everybody and no one can whoop him. That's when that little Cashless Clay from Louisville, Kentucky, came up and stopped Sunny Lon, the man who annihilated Floyd Patterson twice.
He was going to kill me. He hit harder than George. His reach was longer than George. He's better boxer than George.
And I'm better now than I was when you saw that 22-year-old undeveloped kid running from sun to I'm experienced now.
Especially Charles Ben knocked down a couple of times. Bad been chopping trees. I done something new for this fight. I done wrestled with an alligator.
That's right. I have wrestled with an alligator. I done tussle with a whale. I done handcuffed lightning. Throw thunder in jail. That's bad. Only last week I murdered a rock. Angela stone hospitaliz.
I'm so mean I make medicine sick. Dude, fast pass fast.
Last night I cut the light off my bedroom, hit the switch, was in the bed before the room was dark. Incredible.
>> Fast. And you, George Fman, all of you chunks are going to bow when I whoop him. All of you. I know you got him. I know you got him fixed. But the man's in trouble. I'm going to show you how great I am.
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>> My bad. Can you You guys hear me now?
>> Okay. Okay. Okay.
>> We can hear you. Salute. Salute. Salute.
Salute. Salute. Had us muted, man.
Aaliyah, what's the word? How you feeling?
>> I'm feeling good.
>> I'm feeling good. What's going on? How's everybody doing today?
>> Yeah, man. We trying to do the right thing. You know what I mean? We ain't going to complain. Who going to listen?
You heard?
>> How was work and all that? How the white man treating you?
>> Work was good today. I was very productive. Got all my projects done on time.
>> Work. Okay. Okay. That's what's up, man.
Salute. That's what's up, man. What? Uh, they be working you hard over there or what?
>> I feel like it's hard work.
>> Yeah. So yeah.
>> Okay.
Is it lucrative though?
>> I mean I guess so. It gets I I get through the day and it can pay my bills.
So >> yeah, >> can't complain.
>> So it's worth it then for all intents and purposes.
>> I mean, >> what do you want to do? Do you want to do that forever? What you think? You want to take the path of like 401k for 30 years and then you know what I'm saying?
Um, I I like my I like the people that I work with, so I'm thinking about sticking with it, but who knows?
>> Okay. Do you have any type of stock options or is a smaller company?
>> It's a smaller company.
>> Okay. Okay. Is it a young company or is it small?
>> I think it's I think it's small.
>> Yeah, it's it's a small company.
>> Okay. Okay, that's what's up, man. Keep grinding, man. You know, >> I'm proud of you, Cali. What's good?
>> Yeah. Living life undefeated.
>> Indeed. Indeed. How does being undefeated work?
>> Cuz um if I when I if I ever get down, I don't stay down. I get back up and keep it pushing.
>> Oh, but is that undefeated?
Yep. Defeated people stay down and lay down. I do not.
>> Okay. Cuz when I played sports, it was like if you took a L, you wasn't undefeated anymore. But you can still do good, though.
>> Mhm.
>> So, don't we don't we always take L's, though? But just matter how we respond to them, either it's a lesson or a loss.
>> For sure.
But you you still think you undefeated?
>> Yep.
>> Damn. That's like flawless. How'd you achieve that?
>> Well, undefeated would mean that you never lost. That's what undefeated is.
>> No. No. Not in that sense cuz I am not playing the sport for points or anything like that where one person wins and one person loses. No. I'm talking about I am undefeated. My spirit is not defeated. I my spirit is undefeated.
Hey, >> you never been down before.
>> Get back up. Push and boom. That's why I said if I ever get down, I don't stay down. I get back up. Keep it pushing.
>> Okay. Have you ever felt defeated before?
>> Yes.
>> But then you feel undefeated after.
>> Yeah. Defeated people stay down.
I do not.
>> Undefeated people get back up, dust yourself off, take that L as a lesson.
You learn your lesson and you keep going. Defeated people do not keep going. Defeated people give up.
>> Okay. Okay. Cuz I I felt defeated and I'm saying feel um like a month ago like when that dude wasn't paying the rent and I had to evict him, >> you know?
>> Mhm. I'm like, "Yo, >> but you cleaned up the spot and you going to rent it again somebody else."
>> But I took a L though for sure. Like that's a defeat. You know what I'm saying?
>> Like like 30 grand. You know what I'm saying?
I'm bugging.
>> Okay.
>> No. A defeat would be I'm not going to I'm not going to rent no more because this because this because this thing happened to me. Mhm.
>> You would give up if you were defeated.
>> Is a loss and a defeat the same thing?
>> Not in life. No.
>> Oh, okay. Okay. Oh, you're saying as long as I keep going, technically I'm not defeated.
>> Correct.
>> So, I'm defeated. If >> you were defeated, you'd be like, "I'm not renting anymore." You would have put the house on the market for sale and you' be like, "I'm cool on renting houses to people.
I don't want to. I hate it kind of actually.
>> Are you going to Are you going to rent the place out again or you going to sell it and you going to not rent no more?
>> I don't know. I got to fix it first.
>> Mhm.
>> I kind of want to sell it though.
And I kind of want to >> I kind of want to p somebody too.
>> Understandable.
But are you getting out of the rental game period?
>> No, because the other ones are fine.
>> Okay, there you go.
>> Okay, so you saying long as you going, you never defeated.
>> Correct.
>> Okay, so what's popping?
>> What's up, y'all?
>> What's the word?
>> Can't call it.
>> Yeah, man. That's a fact though. What you doing in the car? Where you headed?
>> To my son, grab my mouse.
>> Where?
>> The far one.
>> Yeah.
>> Uhhuh.
>> Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay, man. I I saw it. I hate driving, bro.
>> I love it.
>> Word of me. I hate that [ __ ] >> You heard?
>> I love I love driving.
>> I'm not driving three hours. Dead ass.
Yeah, I'll drive across the country. It don't make me no matter.
>> Man, how y'all get through it? Oh, y'all be doing drugs. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. See, I don't do drugs.
>> No, it's actually, you know, >> it's the time that you get to think the scenery, you know, you take in the atmosphere. It's good vibes.
>> Word.
>> Yeah.
>> Hell no. So, I can't get jiggy with that [ __ ] I hate it, man.
I hate it, man. Damn.
>> You should try it. Take the kids across country. Go to Route 66. It's amazing.
>> Route 66. It's very iconic.
>> Children, them [ __ ] >> Hell no. Nah. [ __ ] that. No.
>> It's a family affair.
>> No, it ain't. Uhuh. We just staying home then if I got to drive with them. That's for sure. I um I used to drive though. I used to drive to um DC a lot and North Carolina a lot. So, >> yeah. I drove across the country.
>> Yeah.
>> So, >> I can't do it.
>> I can make it happen.
>> That's what's up, man. Wrestle, what's popping?
>> Hi.
>> I see you got the setup pipe popping.
You got a microphone and all that.
>> I do. You know, like I said, H, you're not gonna be talking [ __ ] about me and my audio anymore. Y'all gonna hear me talk my [ __ ] >> No doubt. So, you made a good investment.
I mean, it's Teeu, so I don't know how good it is, but it's an investment nonetheless.
>> Damn. Yo. Hey, I don't know how that timu [ __ ] smell like um like a asbestous.
>> Wow.
>> Word to me. My my my my daughter got this cart. She said, "Daddy, can you get this shine cart?" Right. So, it got wow [ __ ] in it. Right. And then I get to the bottom where the price is. It's like $60 something. She got like 40 things in the cart. So I guess they only deliver like once a month or some [ __ ] And that [ __ ] smell like last year. Like like iron pipes or something like that. You know what I'm saying?
>> She still got a deal though, >> I guess. But she might be sick in 10 years. You know what I'm saying?
>> Maybe.
>> Okay. It's that simple, man. [ __ ] it.
Roll the dice. Huh? Cash showing up.
What's the word?
>> Hey. Hey. How's everybody doing?
>> How you, man? What's popping?
>> Everything. Everything is quite well for me.
>> When you when you when you when your album released? A month ago, right?
>> Yeah. March 30. Yes.
>> How it doing? What we doing? We touring?
What's popping?
>> Yes. In fact, I'm headed to London during the time of the boxing match.
Otherwise, I'd have been there kicking it with y'all.
>> Word. Word.
>> In November, I head to Paris.
>> Okay. Okay. Okay. Oh yeah, it's moving and grooving. It's opening up doors for me.
>> Performing obviously, right?
>> Performing um meet and greets, um interviews with DJs and different things like that.
>> That's what's up, man. Damn, >> the grind is real, man. This [ __ ] don't stop, man. You know, like Cali said.
>> Oh, go for an independent Oh, it's all good. Um you're right. The grind doesn't stop, especially for an independent artist. Yeah.
>> A lot of work.
>> Like Callie said, you only defeated it when you dead.
You know what I'm saying? Well, she ain't say that, but that's what I got from it. You know what I'm saying? So, that's what's up, man. What What platform performs the best?
>> Like Spotify, it I I was it iTunes?
>> Um, title or >> uh you know, it's hard to say. Um, probably I'll say maybe Spotify and then YouTube is really good because most people gravitate towards YouTube. It's easier to get to and then most people aren't on the other platforms.
>> Yeah.
>> So YouTube would probably be the the top.
>> Yeah. YouTube probably has the least amount of effort to get into it. Yeah.
>> Right. Exactly.
>> Yeah.
>> Like I don't have Spotify, >> right?
>> But I have a iPhone so I have Apple Music >> but even then you got to pay for it.
Right. If I'm not mistaken.
>> Exactly. Right. So, >> yeah. And YouTube is the biggest search engine in the world, I think. Right. So, that makes sense.
>> That's what's up, man. Um, is Impress here? Impress will find the link. I'm sure Black drop the link. He a moderator.
Like, he can't go find the link and then drop it.
What's the I quit, man. [ __ ] this [ __ ] Quit.
Oh man. All right. Hold on a second. All right. Make sure y'all grab the link so we can all tune in and all that. You know what I'm saying? Let me do this.
Okay. Okay. All right. Hold on one second.
One second. I got to do this real quick.
So, nobody's not drinking anything for Cinco de Mayo. Like, we're all sober tonight.
>> I just took a shot.
>> You drinking?
>> All right.
>> Um, yeah. I'm not I'm not drinking, but I took like a puff or two, you know.
>> So, we went to Chateau Elon for uh Besty's Bday Celebration over the weekend, and I got me two bottles of this Tropical Breeze one. And it's very it's very tasty.
>> It's good.
What is the buzz ball?
>> No. No. It's some wine from Chat line.
>> Don't do She said don't do her. She upgraded. She on the wine tonight.
>> I'm on the wine tonight.
>> N man.
>> None of the malts today.
>> N man. Yeah. She going back soon.
>> Yeah. After that second bottle is gone, I'mma go back.
>> But I'mma probably go back to On the Rocks.
>> Going back is crazy. I prefer you to stay on the rocks. On the Rocks is cool.
>> Yeah.
>> What is that?
>> On the Rocks.
>> On the on the rocks.
>> It's like a mix. It's mixed drinks, but they're like with top shelf uh liquor.
>> What you mean?
So you could get like a lemon drop and the vodka they going to use is like going to be like effing or I'm not probably saying it right but whatever 50 cent vodka is like it'll be like you know good good vodka or like the top rum maybe second shelf I don't know I don't drink that much >> yeah you're right um the lemon drop is with effing however you say it that's how that's how it's spelled >> that's what it looked like I don't know if I pronounce I don't know.
>> Oh, I never >> Oh, so it's already it's premixed.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> But it's like a premium instead of like the malt lifter.
>> Okay. I see.
>> That's what's up, man. So, it's expensive then?
>> I mean, it's a couple dollars. It ain't like It ain't over 20. So, it's it's affordable for me.
>> Yeah. like the um the bigger bottle that I get. I think it's like uh 25 at the package store that I go to.
>> Oh, I seen it in CVS for like I think >> they kind of CVS where you at?
>> Well, yeah. Well, right here in the country, the CVS sell liquor. 7-Eleven sell liquor.
>> They like their liquor.
>> They all be selling liquor, right?
I wish they was on the rocks at the seis over here where I'm at. I wouldn't have to go far at all.
>> Hey Sod, are you on camera?
>> I am. You're not seeing me?
>> No, I'm I'm on a different screen.
Hold on.
Yeah, I don't drink [ __ ] like that.
I just drink.
>> Okay. Well, okay. Bowler.
>> No, I just drink straight straight liquor. I prefer that. That sugar stuff too much of an addict. You don't think so?
>> Um, I don't know. I'm just I never been like, "Let me take a shot." I've never been a shot person because it's disgusting.
>> Hey man, y'all gonna stop shaming [ __ ] for drinking good, too.
>> As much shame as you shame.
>> How do I shame?
Oh, what? You was uh driving across country doing drugs. Like, excuse me.
>> That ain't shame. That's a truth.
>> Marijuana is not a it's not a drug. I'm sorry.
>> That is a drug.
Literally, >> depending on what state depending on what state you in.
>> Okay.
>> I guess it is criminal or not. So, I guess you have a point there.
All right. Let me see.
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Kia the Diva got a membership and they're also second cousin membership.
So, believe that's the $5 tier. Um, so salute to my OG Mike Brown, who's also the first person to ever send the super chat that this might be risky. So, just might be >> Okay, Mike.
>> All right. Yeah, man. For sure.
>> Hey, you think it's the same person that keeps like streaming it?
>> Always just swear to God. Yeah. I swear to God, I think it's the same person.
>> Somebody's really disliking the show.
>> Yeah. It it just be one >> and the show ain't even and the show ain't even start yet. That's the crazy thing.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. But what >> I smell hate.
>> That's what I was saying. Sorry. Cuz y'all would Everybody would drink this [ __ ] Feel me.
>> But then they be like, "Oh, it's too expensive." Well, if it's available, [ __ ] drink it though. You see? Like, let's say I had a bar lined up, right?
And I got 1738, 1942, right? And then I got effing sitting there and uh Hennessy, right?
Everybody gonna drink the 1738 first over the Hennessy.
That's all I'm saying.
>> You got a point. I mean, it depends on what type of henny it is, though.
>> No.
>> Oh my good.
>> Yeah. The black [ __ ] >> If it's that dirty, I understand. But if it's VSOP, I might drink that first.
>> Not over the 1738, though. You had 1738 before?
>> No.
>> Put him in the bathroom.
>> Oh, that >> I could actually take a shot of 1738 more so than a Hennessy.
>> I had 1942.
>> No, 1738 is a Hennessy. Uh, cognac.
>> Oh, see.
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah. I don't know.
>> I don't even go down that route.
>> Yeah. I don't know if I hit it or not.
>> Yeah. Y'all drink coin cognac.
>> Yeah, I know. But I don't I don't like go into other cognacs if that makes sense. It's really just henny, maybe a little dooay.
That's really it.
>> D is good too. I like doo.
>> I was about to say I like doo a lot.
>> But my favorite is brand as well.
>> Go ahead, Kelly.
>> No, I was going to say I'm even getting into all that. This is a conac. This is a whiskey that Okay. Clear is probably vodka. Dark just try to stay away from it as much as possible. That's about That's about as far as I go with it.
>> No, it's >> clear is probably vodka, not tequila.
>> Yeah, cuz >> Yeah. Well, I mean, aside from Patrone, but you know, other than that, clear is more than likely vodka. Just they stick with the clears.
>> Leave alone the darks for the most part.
That's it. I don't get into all the other stuff. Whiskey is made here.
Cognac is made in France.
Yeah, it's totally and they taste totally different, too.
>> I prefer cognac over whiskey, for sure.
>> All right, man.
>> When I think about whiskey, I think about um what is it? The Tennessee.
>> The Which one?
>> You know what I talk about?
>> Which one?
>> The Tennessee.
>> Tennessee whiskey. Yeah, that most of them are >> Jim Beam. Jack Daniels.
>> Yeah, Jack Daniels. That's what I'm thinking about.
>> I hate >> the honey though. The honey one. It ain't that bad.
>> I can't stand it hard. I ain't going to lie. I hate Jack Daniel.
>> That was me. That was me when my lights went out.
>> Jack Daniels.
>> Oh no, my lights went out in my car.
>> Oh.
All right, man. Let's get it, man. Like, share, subscribe, tell a friend to tell a friend. Hit that like button right now if you can. It helps the channel the most. Once again, salute to the ladies in the women's POV. We got 200 people in the building. Bless you, Cali. We only got 77 likes. It's very important that we get the likes up as they help the channel the most, man. So, let's get into this. Man, we've been kind of dissecting things. One thing that really got me kind of started on this, I can't really say one thing in particular, right? But I did a show on Saturday to finish a show that I had on Friday, right? And we were talking about the manosphere and its origins, BWE, black women empowerment and its origins. What I found during this discovery was that both segments regardless of what was said the genuine sent the general sentiment was it was a response to something right if I want to be a little bit more provocative I would say tit for tat right so black men didn't have a microphone now we got the microphone here's what we actually are and here's what the people who are disparaging us actually are right and then it was said from someone who had the history. Um, uh, Nyla, she seemed like she had a lot of information regarding that. So, I want to make sure I give the credit for the edification that I received was BWE was kind of created to push back against what the manosphere was saying and that was said, right? So, it's literally back and forth, forth and back. So then I say okay Charerelle had presented a thing called proof of concept you know and it's just about things that are said is it actually real can we actually substantiate it you know um we were talking on uh Monday and there were a couple things that are being said like as an example women harm children and the elderly the most right on his face you're like damn wow out, right? But then when you just think a little bit further, you're like, duh, because they have proximity to the elderly and children because of the jobs they do merely, right? From CNA work to daycare, etc., you know? So, when I'm looking at the stuff, I'm like, I want to make sure they make sense while we saying it, you know? And I'm wondering how much things have actually been assessed to where they actually make sense and can hold the test of time under scrutiny when they being substantiated or not. Right?
So there's a thing. Black women are the least desired, right?
The least protected.
And those are really the two things that I was kind of pinpointing. the face of debauchery or at the very least being ghetto, the face of welfare, the face of single motherhood, right? The they're how you say it's essentially said that the the people that come from black women only and don't have a father are the worst in society.
Did I get anything wrong so far in terms of the tropes and the sentiments?
What do you guys think about any one of those categories?
What do you guys think about any one of those categories?
Anyone but overall your overall sentiment about those thing that you're hearing about the demographic that you are part of. What's your initial feeling, Cali Beth? And I'm saying feel on purpose.
>> I'd say uh perpetuating the um perpetuating or or promoting the uh the stereotype on some nanny nanny boo [ __ ] >> Say it again.
>> Extrapolating. Yeah. promoting promoting and uh furthering the stereotype on some nanny nanny boo [ __ ] Um, and also cuz you know the one that stuck out to me the most would be the face of welfare and I already know how that came about whatever like you know on like a political lens you know media propaganda [ __ ] like that or whatever but um I'd say it's it's firsthand it's um extrapolating minority problems across the board to everybody and then grouping putting everybody into the same box and just saying black women and That's it.
>> Okay. Okay. Okay. I understand the feeling. Aaliyah.
>> Um my initial feeling I feel uncomfortable >> hearing um these stereotypes.
>> Okay.
>> For us as black women. Like I don't like it. It makes me feel very uncomfortable.
I wish these weren't the stereotypes that were that that are on us or in society.
I wish that wasn't the jacket that we wear.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Okay. I accept it. Saw it.
>> Um I personally think that um like it makes me sad honestly. Um because like Aaliyah said, I feel like these are stereotypes and I don't necessarily think that by large these are the stereotypes that um most black women carry. Um I feel um a little confused because I feel like for the black community, we're the only community that really does the most when it comes to bashing one another. the male and the females. When I look at other cultures and especially Caucasians, um like right now I'm in West Virginia.
These [ __ ] walk around with bonnets pajamas like literally every day. And we don't see that being said at mass as to this is who they are. This is their character. Half of them are on welfare. Half of them are using public assistance. yet this is not the they don't go out their way to make that known. So when it's us and it's our people, I just don't know why we go out our way to make the negative so loud when we need to be making the positive more louder. So yeah.
>> Okay, Russa.
>> So when I hear that honestly um it does make me feel sad. These are known stereotypes that has been around since the beginning of time I guess you would say. Um it's unfortunate I do work in the social services field and based on um what we hear often unfortunately the black community is judged by that.
Everything that you mention um that is unfortunately a cap that's been assigned to us to wear. Um but I do feel as though it's it it is a stereotypical but of course it's not accurate for everyone on the larger scale I would say.
>> Okay. Okay.
What you think?
>> Um you know initially you know to hear those things it is disappointing. Um but I understand um not saying that it's okay. I understand the reason for it.
you look on social media, which is um some things that I've seen that have helped me to understand more as I've done these panels where different viewpoints come from because um the display of us as black women um isn't always portrayed in the best light. Um some of that has to do with decision- making. I think that there could be a great change if enough of us came together and decided to do differently.
However, I do also understand that a lot of the reason why some of these things occur is because some things are thought and some things are caught. So, you could be a product of your environment.
It could be something that you see, but at the end of the day, it does boil down to the individual to make the decision as to what they want to do and who they want to be. It may not always be easy, you know, making certain choices, you know, to be better. But I do understand um why they're the viewpoint. Um, but I do agree um with what Fresa was saying.
Um, there are enough of us out there that are uh portraying positive images and it and it's not shown enough.
>> Okay. Okay. So, I heard I heard um Mo I heard all the sentiments.
Aaliyah, you said you felt sad, but you didn't actually dispute what was being said, right? The other ladies had a little bit more push back to what was being said, right? Like stereotype that it's a subset, you know, it's bashing, you know, when other cultures don't do it, etc. You said it's sad. It makes you sad that this is the how you guys are portrayed or no you didn't even say that how you guys are seen. Let me ask you is there any credence to any of the categories?
There's other categories too. Attitude, right?
>> Maybe that goes under ghetto or whatever that you know whatever that one was. So what do you think about those things that are associated with black women? Do you disagree with the categories overwhelmingly or or do you want to posh them out? Like what what's your feeling about that part?
>> Um I think that these stereotypes c can be true. Um I feel like we do perpetuate them in society. Hence social media it's highlighted the most. Um it we perpetuate these stereotypes. So I think that's why they keep getting placed on us now at least now in society. We're I feel like we are perpetuating um some of the well I feel like we do perpetuate the stereotype. Um like when for example the whole food stamp situation they was who who was on the news it was majority black women and the and they're talking about their experience. That's what the news decides to highlight >> in like social media >> against propaganda.
I'm just saying but this is just what's this is what >> this is what's put out there right so we're just all I just feel like there we're giving them we're giving them something to make propaganda out of I guess like we're giving them what they need we're adding fuel to the fire and if we don't want these stereotypes being prop like if we don't want these stereotypes being put on us we have to have some sort of change behavior as a entire like as black women in general. We have to all as a community make changes. I feel like they we shouldn't keep giving evidence to these stereotypes. We shouldn't be playing into it. We shouldn't it there shouldn't be someone that they can highlight. It shouldn't be something that they can keep putting out there in front of everybody to keep making this stereotype a thing.
So that's all I'm saying.
>> Go ahead, sir.
>> I just think it's unrealistic.
I think in society, no matter where you go, you're always going to have people that carry their stuff a particular way.
Um, like I said, what they do is what they do. I don't praise it. I don't think it's right. Um, but I don't think that that's the focal point or nor do I think that that's the majority of African-American women that carry their self this way or exute this behavior. Um, I feel like, like I said before, it's up to us to push the better propaganda, like to push the good. Like, it's so much good that goes on within our community that we do not share and we do not like they don't make it known for even to say about the um the food stamps thing. Like, yeah, I get that. But that's all prop it was propaganda. Of course, they're always going to show the black people because that's what they want us to be. That's like they want us to be in this box. And the moment that we step outside this box is always going to be something ghetto or something um heinous that's they're going to show to put us back in that box. Like I don't know.
>> Okay. So propaganda you're saying so we're saying that they they make it look like something that it isn't or they sensationalize it.
>> I feel like they sensationalize it. I'm not going to hold you. Yeah. Like I'm not going to hold you like Yeah. We know like it be ghetto [ __ ] happening but like for the majority like no I I just don't think that that's the majority of women and to keep on putting that cape on them like on us that's that's crazy.
Like it's crazy. Do you think so? I think there's a there's a number that we get to, you know, like so let's say like we take Mr. Fantastic, right? It's my friend, so I can like use him as a he'll he said it's 40% of the women with the poor behavior.
Do we say because it's the minority is it is it it is it a problem or do we what how do we how do we reconcile that >> it's a problem?
>> Okay.
>> Yes. I can admit that it's a problem.
But it goes back to the saying that we say frequently.
Everybody can't go. So if the 40% of the [ __ ] can't go, they can't go.
But to think that we're going to get 40% of these females on track, we we I don't I don't see it happening.
The only thing that we could do is save the ones that want to be saved and correct the youth. But like you ain't about to tell a [ __ ] that want to be twerking and drinking on Cinco de Mayo not to drink. Like that's crazy. She going like that's her lifestyle. Like I don't know.
>> Well, think about this y'all. Right? Cuz we look at this, right? But just consider the language, right? We can't tell a [ __ ] that want to twerk on single deio. Isn't that what they use to to portray us in a particular way? What do you think about even something as as surface level as language that we use towards each other?
Do you think that they use that to propagandize?
Um, if they want to then they they can, but they talk to each they call each other crackers and all this other stuff.
Like I'm not when I'm having oneonone.
>> Why does that matter?
>> Hold on. Let her finish. Go ahead.
>> When I'm having a one-on-one conversation and I want to be political politically correct and I want to pronunciate words and not use certain words, I see fit to do that. But when I'm kicking [ __ ] with my people, I'm gonna call it how I'm going to call it.
So you're not going to tell the women that want to twerk and drink on Senco deo that that their behavior is unbecoming.
They're going to do what they going to do.
>> Go ahead, Aaliyah.
No, I just wanted to understand like when you're make when you're making your statement, you keep bringing in other groups of people and what they do in their communities. I just want to know why does that matter when we're talking about what we do in our community.
>> I'm not bringing I'm not bringing other groups in. I'm not bringing other groups in for one to justify. So, let's make that clear. So, I'm not bringing them in to justify. I'm making it a point. So, I'm saying I don't see them bashing the way that we do, the way that they I don't know how they correct their behavior in their community, but for the most part at large, I see so much of the behavior that is un that is unbecoming in our community happen in other communities and they keep that [ __ ] under wraps. So, I'm just like, I don't know. We need to do more at glorifying and uplifting the good things that's happening. I don't give a [ __ ] about anybody else in their community. I was just speaking on it.
>> Talking about what is propagated and what isn't, right? So, we propagate all of our negatives and they propagate all of their positives. That's that's to wrap up what Sod is trying to get at.
>> And also too, I would say um just the way we address it um just based on I've seen from like white colleagues and whatnot when they have issues, it's handled within the family. And um I based on my experience with the black community, I feel as though certain issues are handled as a community. So that's why it's on the forefront.
Whereas white people, they're handling their stuff individually and keeping it in the family and we're kind of throwing our stuff out there. And also too, I wanted to say um in terms of the stereotypes, we're also laying down that foundation. Like for example, over the weekend when I was traveling, um there was this lady and she was dressed in a bedazzle bonnet and um Tampa was under a tornado watch and she was the only one huffing and puffing and you know, hey these [ __ ] go again. The flight is is late again. Mind you, this is a black lady. So, the white lady that was seated next to me was actually recording this black lady as she's going off because our flight is being delayed for a tornado warning. So, just something as simple as that. I'm sure that's probably circling social media now. So, um not to say that's for the majority, but sometimes we do lay the foundation for some of the stereotypes that we're being perceived for.
>> Okay. Well, I guess I just listen to what you guys are saying in terms of these other so-called communities and I just can't I don't think we can substantiate it based on the information that we actually have. Right. So, there's a podcast that has all white men, right? And I think they get I think has two million subscribers.
Um, and it's always all white women up there and they're literally having the same conversation. Um, also the man, white manosphere, Cali, correct me if I'm wrong, existed before the black manosphere in which they were literally complaining about relationships and dynamics.
Furthermore, Snapped, I guarantee, has more views than all of the black manosphere channels combined, and that's consist of white men and women killing each other based on their relationships.
Secondarily, when you watch the Real Housewives of X, you know which one's got the least amount of views? The Atlanta one, right?
But when you look at the Beverly Hills one, when you look at the one of Montgomery County, way more views, terrible behavior.
Um, all of our favorite movies out of five out of the 10, five of them are Italian mobster movies, which shows the debaucherous nature of white people.
Right. White Boy Rick from Detroit. Um I forget the guy from Blow. I forget the guy's actual name. Johnny Depp played the character. Um and the Irish guy um in Boston in South Boston, right? So literally that [ __ ] is everywhere. I think they have more people so they got different degrees of separation. So, I would push back against the narrative about what they don't do and I just substantiated with the things I just named.
>> Okay, that's definitely a good point as far as there's more of them. So, they have more wiggle room to say that it's more so of a subset >> and they get to, you know, they they have they have the numbers to to to um to go ahead and um have that separation whereas we don't. So, that I I I take your point on that for sure.
Um, it's just like how like the best analogy I could come up with right now is how you know how back in the day we had uh different different genres of hip-hop. You had your conscious rap, you had your party rap, you had your gangster rap, right? And you can kind of pick and choose which one you wanted to do. Well, nowadays, as far as with um with the spread of um social media and whatnot, um now the focus can only be on, you know what I'm saying? Are you applying to what I'm what I said? Cuz that's what I want to talk about right now.
>> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
>> Different genres. Yeah. We got conscious rap. We got gangster rap. Okay.
>> Right. Whereas now with social media, we propagate the the the gangster rap or the drill music, but we don't propagate the conscious music because it's not as popular. You know what I'm saying?
Amongst ourselves.
Whereas back in the day, it was more so we can kind of pick and choose because, you know, the radio kind of played everything. We didn't have that social media to go on ahead and push whatever it is that we actually wanted to see, wanted to hear. You know what I'm saying? We got to pick and choose which one we wanted. So, I think to to your point about they have the numbers to go on ahead and have those divisions amongst themselves, we don't have that amount of separation based off of the sheer numbers.
>> Yeah. So um I agree. I don't think but even for me was your comparison.
>> Hello.
>> Yeah.
For me with Oh, for me with the comparison, it's like, okay, yeah, it's out there and it may be mainstream, but it's not demonized as how it would be demonized if it was us. So, when you even bring about the mobsters like, you know, we they they got a lot of mobsters um and stuff, it's not demonized. If anything, I feel like it was glorified. Like, so I see the comparison and where you were trying to go. I just don't subscribe to it because of that point that I just made. So, >> okay. Well, yeah. So, the thing about that point is that would be true for all gangsters and mobsters easily. Easily.
Everybody, every one of our heroes is a gangster, right? All of all the people that are propped up are gangsters, right? We make sure to let people know Malcolm X past. He was a gangster before he was Malcolm X, right? When you get shot in our in our in our community, that gives you credibility. when you go to prison that gives you credibility, right? When you have that edge to you, you are more desirable.
>> So, I would simply push back to saying that that is a American thing, not just a white or black person thing. That's an American thing.
>> Yeah. But even if you look outside the mobsters with the when you brought up the housewives note, like they're not demonized for going up there and being caddyy and throwing wine on each other or whatever they do up there. They're not demonized for that behavior where >> if >> they're not though, they're not because they have the numbers to separate themselves. And then also too, if you look at um >> Well, well, hold on. There was a there was a conversation happening, right? And so, Cali, what your point, the point that you're making doesn't actually say that. It says that they can be categorized as a subset and because it's so many white people, those people don't speak for the the whole majority.
However, that group is indeed admonished.
>> It's just that we don't separation.
>> Exactly. And it's also an American thing to um blame the ills of society on the black people. That's also an American thing. How is it that we come right out of slavery and we're still labeled as lazy?
That's that's a that's that's an ongoing thing. Be scared of be be scared of of the black people because they're going to do x y and z to you.
>> You know, >> even though we're even though we're not.
You know what I'm saying?
>> Yes.
>> So, >> here's my here's my here's my concern.
>> Ca and Caressa. Oh, sorry. Were you trying to say something, Aaliyah?
>> Uh If we're saying it's propaganda, then there's really nothing to do about it because propaganda is alleging that it's not real there. It's being manufactured.
Propaganda, right? That's the key. So if it's propaganda and it's being manufactured against us >> from a subset, then do you think a lot of most people are going to be galvanized to fight it or are they just going to say, "Oh, that's just them over there or it's little or it's not me." So it doesn't affect me directly. Like how do people respond if they just saying it's just propaganda?
>> This the second way you said it, it's it's not me. So Oh, it's a subset of people. So, or like Saw said, they can't go. So, you know, they just got to get left behind. You know, it's the it's the it's the separation.
They they separate and they say that's them. It's a minority and they don't care that it's a problem. It's it's still a problem nonetheless. Even if you want to say it's a small problem, it's a problem. But >> the propaganda is that it's all of us.
You see a black person, you're going to automatically think X, Y, or Z. That's the propaganda part. The propaganda is not that it's not real and it doesn't happen. No, that's not the propaganda piece of it. The propaganda piece of it is that it's saying that it's it's all of us. This is just how you going to act and point blank period and that's it.
Uh Caresa uh Christa.
>> Yeah. So um what what I what I understand about the situation is um these things are happening and and I believe we all know that it is happening. Um the challenge comes where you know there may not be enough of us that care enough to try to spotlight different things. And then two there's a control system when it comes down to media. And I'm referencing this into social media. Social media spots a lot of negative things especially when it comes to our people. However, um we also have a bit of control in that area too because we have the opportunity to share or not share or like or not like or subscribe or not subscribe. And so the more that we push into liking or sharing things that you know push us in a bad light, those things are going to continue to go out. But if there are enough people that do care enough, which you know that's That's the big stretch, right? If there are enough of people of us who care enough to start doing different or encouraging other people to do different, we may get some different results. It's a possibility. But I understand that that is a big challenge.
That's a big expectation to have of so many people.
>> Caressa, >> if that makes sense.
>> Yeah, it makes sense. Yep.
Caressa.
So, um, as I said before, we do provide a baseline for the stereotypes that are out there. And, um, I know I received a lot of slack the last time I said this when I said that, um, change begins within. Change begins at home. Because I know, um, like with the black community, it's always like we as a whole have to do this, we as a whole need to do that, we're promoting this. But I'm still a firm believer that that change that we're looking for, it has to begin individually first. Like that has to start with you. That has to start with your household, your family. Because as Sod said, that 40% we're not all going to make it. There's only some of us that's going to change. Some people don't want to change. Some people are happy with who they are. So I do believe in order for that narrative to change, I mean, you got to start with yourself.
You got to take a deep look at what you're doing. Become the change that you want to see.
>> I agree. I agree with Chris on that because just like they tell you on the plane, you know, when it comes down to something, you got to take care of yourself first before you get the next person. And that that's why I was mentioning um the the caring part. It's a stretch to, you know, expect that of so many people to want to try to help and try to encourage, especially when um they may be in a position where they think there there can't be a change. I believe that there can be a change and I do agree with Chris that yes, we we do have to take responsibility ourselves first before we can move on to try to help somebody else and we just can't control whether or not people care enough to want to help the next person.
Unfortunately, >> I mean, I I agree with you guys. The way >> Jeff, salute, my G. I see you grinding over there, man. I'm proud of you. Make sure y'all if you're not already, you probably living under the rock, but Ask a Brother podcast. Jeff James salute to the brother in the building, man. We grinding over here. I think they had a great show earlier. As a matter of fact, it's like a uh kind of like this show in terms of it's the ladies, you know, and I think I seen Crimson up there. She was cooking. So, salute to them for sure, man. Go ahead, Aaliyah. My fault.
Um, no. I just wanted like I agree with Karissa and uh how you say your name?
>> Christ that sorry.
>> Um, so yeah. No, I definitely agree the not my only the way that I'm thinking about it is like if we're going to do the numbers 40 60, does it have to be 40%. Like can't we lower the number on who gets left behind?
Like it doesn't it doesn't like the way I think about it doesn't have to be 40%.
Like we can make that 20. Can we make it 20?
>> Like if people if we gota if we got to say people gonna get left behind. All right we could leave people behind but does it have to be 40%.
That's what >> and we can shorten that and I agree with you Aaliyah but the issue is how do we shorten that number? And in my opinion I believe that solution begins at home.
For example one of the things that Mhm.
>> is I hate to see young men when their pants are sagging. So guess what? I'm raising a future king. So my future king knows that he's not leaving this house if he is not well groomed. If his face is not washed, his teeth is not brushed.
We're not doing that. You're not leaving my house with saggy pants, unbuttoned clothes. That's because image image is important. The first thing that people see when they look at you is how are you dressed? How do you um express yourself?
Are you eloquently spoken? We have to be will judge based on how we present. So that's why I say you got to start at home. Start with your children. Start with your cousins, your family members, whomever, and start there. And then after that, branch out into the community. But I do believe oftent times that home piece is overlooked because we're so focused on the community. We got to get to community to where we need it to be. Start at home.
>> Yeah. that goes back into the be the change that you want to see. So if you provide that um if you provide that model and that that that role model then others will latch on to it because they want to have the same uh uh successes for lack of a better word that um that that you have. So you can chip away at that 40% for sure. It's not going to go down to zero but we can definitely chip at it.
>> Yeah. Know I agree too. Um, I feel like it definitely does need to uh start with yourself and with the youth. Um, for those numbers to decrease because I just don't see realistically like I don't know him, you said it before like when we get to a certain age, we tend to be stuck in our ways. Um, so it it's kind of hard to try to maneuver someone to, you know, um, move a particular way. Like I don't I don't feel like we need to stop trying necessarily. Um, >> but I just don't see.
>> You said what?
>> Nothing.
>> Oh, but yeah, >> I get your point. um saw and Aaliyah's point too, you know, um he who hasn't ear, let him hear. You know, we we can do our best, those of us who care enough to say something. If they hear, that's wonderful. If you gain one, that's amazing. You gain 10, that's amazing.
You know, you can you can only start from where you start and hope for the best at the end of the day obviously because you can't save the world at one time, you know, or even 40% at one time. Okay.
>> Yeah. Um yeah s I think people really generally speaking don't change but they control or mask right I think the truth is um people don't think that they can be corrected um at particular ages right so we get stuck in our ways and because we think we're successful we justify it right but if we make an honest assessment of ourselves um what percentage of us needs a need a needs a revision and I think that's the thing we got to be honest about you I I understand the propaganda and I stand corrected in terms of how Cali said his propaganda is how is all of us or at least most of us. Um but I have to be honest HB. What's popping man? I ain't seen you in a month of Sundays. Hope all is well good brother. Good to see you man. It's been a long time man. Um I have an inclination though right? So, if I go to the club or whatever the case is, I I check all the exits, right? I still do this thing and I get in there, you know, one of the first thoughts I still be having.
I whoop everybody ass in this [ __ ] and then I go get on the DJ booth. Right now, I'm I'm polite, you know? I mean, I'll be saying, "Hi, excuse me, thank you." But why do I have that thought though?
You see, and I will still get in a fist fight for particular things, including words, right? But because I haven't had to get to that point in a long time, I try to exonerate myself. I try to reciparate myself from the demographic that they are worried about.
Right?
So, I think that we do that. Um and then essentially we miss the opportunity to uh improve cuz it's never us.
But I think overwhelmingly it is us, right? And again I comport myself. I'm very like kind to people. I say excuse me, thank you. Yeah. Because I am not playing if it escalates. You see? So I try to mitigate by making sure I'm polite. I hold the door for people and etc., right?
Um, you know, because I understand that part, you know, and I accept the fact that it's not just okay to just be going off, you know, but if I can't see myself, how can I correct myself?
So, I think that 40% will remain stagnant until they can look in the mirror for real. So, I got a couple clips that I want to show y'all. Like, share, subscribe, tell a friend to tell a friend. Hit that like button right now if you can. that helps the channel the most. 2K, what's popping, man? Make sure y'all get your asses to Houston. 2K will be on the live panel as well as in the boxing ring. Um, definitely come see him on the live panel cuz you might not see him after the boxing match. You heard?
Dr. G, what's popping with the 20 balls?
He said, "Let's go." Beautiful ladies on the POV. Hey, H. Welcome back, saw indeed. I didn't even read this damn super. I'm too busy talking trash. 2K with a 20 ball says, "Shout out to the what he say PP and all the ladies on the panel. Good show thus far." Uhhuh.
Uhhuh. Uhhuh. So, let me show you a couple clips where to Callie's point.
Yo, is this how they see you guys? And if you see anything up here, I need us to be honest. Agreed.
>> Shake my hand.
>> Okay.
>> Shake.
Caress. You >> prove it. I was about to say >> start.
>> Oh, I did it. You can't.
>> I see. All right. Now, let me show you a couple of things, man. I just want to understand like is this us?
I'm not going to lie. Like, is this us?
How serious? Now, this first one, I want to get it out the way because it's pretty actually serious and pretty sad to be honest. Right. So, I want to go with this one first. Right. The other ones may be a little bit more lighthearted, but I want to go through this one first. All right.
Can you guys see? Sorry. Can you guys see my screen now?
All right. Can you guys see my screen?
>> Wait a second.
>> Okay. So, this Janice Jones posted this.
This shows in loving memory of those that don't go uh don't go away, they walk beside us.
Giani and Jahim Pierre born February 23rd 1998 died May 2nd 2026 uh February 23rd 2003 died May 2nd 2026.
Uh so these are two brothers. It is with profound sorrow that we announced the passing of Giani Pierre and Jah Pierre.
Their lives through difference in years were united in love, family and lasting impact that made on that made on everyone. Their memories will forever live in the hearts of those who knew them and love them. Though they are gone our sight, they will never gone from our hearts. So their sister, I'm reading Denise Jones blurb here. Okay. Their sister called them to come over on May 2nd to handle her abusive boyfriend.
The boyfriend ended up taking both of her brother's lives.
Um uh so ended up taking the life of both of her brothers. I know as brothers you want to protect your sisters and as a sister are brothers you want to protect them to protect you but not this is not the way. These two brothers are now gone and for them to not be twins but was born on the same day and leave this earth the same day is a sad is sad man praying for their family is she bet not talk to me to that man ever again.
Um he says and her last thing is this is just sad man. Most men who are abusive to women be scared of men shaking my head.
So this example isn't lighthearted right but both her brothers are dead and gone.
She called them to come to her uh her defense and her aid. So this is one of the tropes that we actually haven't talked about that much. You know um we did a little bit with Travis Rudolph. Do you guys remember that case?
>> Um, well, >> no.
>> The sister called her brothers to shoot his [ __ ] up, quote unquote, is what she said in the text message in court.
>> Um, so the brothers went over there along with their friend Travis Rudolph, who was an ex NFL player, came out and was shooting at them. Uh, the friend died, the two brothers lived.
Now, this is something that we heard about, we talked about, you know, to where the the women in the community expect the men to crash out. There was a panel I had where one woman said if her husband died protecting a random woman, she has that expectation.
Or else he's like a a punk if he doesn't.
he should be coming to the defense of of women, right? And I I I tried to parse out to understand what she was saying, but more importantly, what do you think about this? Like, is this an expectation?
Right? Is this why black men are being called names and women saying they're the most protected because black men aren't willing to do something like this?
>> I I would hope not. You know, >> I think so.
>> This is this is a I don't think I don't think that's the expectation cuz I would never call my brother for that.
>> Call the police, you know. I I I think um I mean I am familiar. I think all of us may be, you know, y'all can correct me if I'm wrong.
You know, I I think we've all been in situations where we may have called our family members for backup and things like that, maybe at a younger age or what have you. So, I understand that.
But in this case, um, with the two brothers and the lady calling her two brothers where she should have called the police and nobody knows how many times she'd been in this abusive situation with her, her man or her husband or whoever he is, you know, that could have not been the very first time.
It could have been, you know, several times and she just decided to call them over and it probably would have been better, you know, to call.
>> Yeah, 100%. Obvious in hindsight, right?
But >> yeah, >> I mean, is this an expectation, >> right? Like how I've seen this happen to Detroit. A son and a dad went over there and got killed one day. The Travis Rudol cave was headline news, right? Because he was an NFL player. So, uh, you know, um, but looking at this, like, is this an expectation, you know, because we we talking about one of the tropes of being the least protected? Maybe it's beyond just the the physical, you know, but what do you guys think about this?
Does this represent the percentage of black women that have this expectation?
If he doesn't, he's a [ __ ] which is why she feels like the least protected.
>> This represents a segment, a percentage of uh the uh black woman population. To what extent, I do not know. However, in my opinion, this is not protection. This is this is just purely get back. That's not protection. That's some tips for tat [ __ ] Protection, in my opinion, would be watch my back and make sure he doesn't do anything to me while I'm trying to leave.
That's protection. Or protection in as far as um give me um help me with a place to stay.
for when I actually do leave. That's protection in my opinion. But what this is right here and with the Travis Rudolph situation with to shoot this [ __ ] [ __ ] up or whatever, that's not protection. That's straight up get back.
>> Yeah, I think Oh, sorry.
>> Well, I guess that's that's a >> No, I'm done.
>> Well, I just want to say this real quick. So, that's a take. But the brothers, right, they're going over there to protect defend their sister.
Right. So I think the expectation I think the expectation is for a man ultimately to be the protector and to protect. Um I don't think like Hie said that when we talk about protection is always to the level of like the get back or like the retaliation but like showing up to advocate for me. Um, and to be like I guess what I I guess like a I don't know just showing up like she said to just be there to make sure nothing escalate then. Yeah. But then also if you but now that I'm thinking about it it could go both ways cuz even if you do show up to not try to escalate it still escalate. So I don't know Hampton >> if I'mma tell you this.
>> I can make it worse. If I'm if I'm having an issue with my wife and any [ __ ] including Jesus, come over here, they gonna have a big problem.
A a huge problem. That's why I'm saying it's that's so it's so tricky because it's like I'm not calling you, you know, to like necessarily get into altercation, but if I'm running into a man like you, it's going to be altercation either way. So, it's just like it's kind of like a double negative on that fence, but I don't think um the majority of women requested a man to lay down their life.
I don't know.
>> So, where does the police Oh, sorry.
>> Oh, let me just add give this give you guys this information and then Caressa Aaliyah just Caressa was trying to we were talking at the same time and then you can go right after her. Um, so my brother Jay says, um, H, the two brothers beat him up bad before he shot them as he went to the car and came back. Car, what were you trying to say?
And then Aaliyah.
>> Um, yeah, actually I forgot what I was going to say, H. But um just to I guess kind of say what I was going to say was I do believe sometimes that makes things worse um in those type of situations when you're involving families because oftent times um especially with domestic violence situations after that situation has ended. Sometimes the couples do reconcile and it's like you're involving your brother, your daddy, knowing damn well the next day you're going to be cuddled up with this man again and you done involved the whole family in the little debacle that y'all just had. So I do believe sometimes that actually makes that situation worse between the family members. It creates tension, safety issues, like all type of stuff.
>> Yeah, for sure. Go ahead, Leah.
Um, no. I was just going to bring up like do y'all y'all ever heard of like the brick lady? That lady that got hit in the face or supposedly got hit in the face. Um, so that whole scenario where she said that some man randomly hit her in the face with a brick and like nobody did anything. and the backlash that like men got for not stepping in or oh cuz she was saying like nobody protected her or anything like that. So I definitely think I definitely think it is an expectation for men to come and protect and to essentially lay down their life if they have to for women if it comes to that point. um just with that situation alone, just the backlash that men was getting for I guess not stepping in or not being there to protect her um or anything like that.
Wh why they was receiving that backlash, it didn't make sense to me, but they were receiving that backlash. So if it if it's not an expectation if it's not an expectation that women have of men, then men should men wouldn't be getting that backlash like, "Oh, y'all wasn't there to protect her and things of that nature."
>> She lied actually too. It came out that he actually lied about that.
>> So I like I just don't I I still stand on the fence like I just don't think that it is the expectation for any man.
Now, there's other ways that you can assist in those situations. I I don't know the situation. So, for me, it's like the what is it called? The bystander effect where bystanders can see something haney is being hap happening and nobody steps in. Nobody even calls the cops. So, for me, it's like, well, did they even call the cops?
If they wasn't going to step in, did they notify anybody? So, I don't know, but that's just my take on it.
H. So >> I believe Oh, I'm sorry.
>> Go ahead.
>> I I was going to say that I believe that there is an expectation um for men to, you know, come through and then there is an expectation or there there's another side where there are people out there that don't expect um for a man to come through as well. So like for instance, the way that I look at it, I will hope that something were happening and my husband was there um and something was going on with me, somebody doing something to me in in some format and people were around, I would hope that somebody would step in, but my expectation were that it wouldn't be very high only because nobody owes me anything and the world is cruel, unfortunately. But I would hope that somebody would step in.
>> Yeah, I guess that's to Leah's point, right? Where so it'll be like kind of like that, right? There's level of disrespect being exuded, right? And then when something happens now, there is an expectation, i.e. the brick lady example with the lie, even upon the lie, right?
Literally knowing she could play up, y'all [ __ ] didn't do XYZ. Uh uh uh, right? to to substantiate what she was trying to convey, right? I think that kind of shows like there's a there's something there's something to it.
There's something there, you know, because let me ask you guys, what is the least protected sentiment? What does that what does that mean?
It's a broadcast.
>> I don't know.
>> If you are if you are in trouble, nobody's going to help you. Now, um, the trope that I've heard with regards to why they don't is because you probably started it.
Whether or not that's the case or not, you know what I'm saying? They're just that that that is the sentiment. You probably started it, so therefore, you don't deserve any you don't deserve anybody to uh to step in for you.
>> Okay. Now, that's that's definitely unfortunate for sure or whatever, but um yeah, uh outside of being able to shoot a [ __ ] in the back as he's walking away from beating your ass or anything like that, there is you can't protect yourself against a man whooping on you. You can't if he if he if he beating you, he he he gonna beat you and he gonna have his way with you. So, you would need another man to help um to help help stifle that or intervene in that. Just like that lady that was uh getting sexually assaulted in the uh Walmart and everything, nobody stepped in. Only one dude stepped in.
And once that one dude stepped in, then other guys came and stepped in and kept the man up off of her.
Okay. Why is it why >> crazy have to think about it in the sense of fight or flight? Like we can't necessarily always control how we respond to certain things cuz there's certain situations in which your body will just that's the flight. You're going to freeze. You can't respond. You can't move. That's your body's protective system taking over. So can we actually fault certain people in which if they see something taking place and they don't intervene because that's their body being protective over them.
You see what I'm saying? So oftent times it could be viewed as a negative thing when psychologically I mean they froze fight or flight. They can't control how they reacted to that situation.
>> Right? When I think about the um the most unprotected, I don't think about just some uh man physically protecting me. I'm thinking about a man also being vocal to protect me when they see that there is negative um I guess stigmas um being brought upon me. When I think about being least protected, I'm thinking about being least protected by the law. I'm thinking about being least protected by health care. If I go to the doctor, I'm not taken serious when um we talk about our pain level or whatever the case is. So, when I think about least protected, I don't always go back to the man protecting me. I'm thinking about the the society as a whole and how at every level that we will find we're not protected.
>> Good point. Um, what I was going to say cuz I when when you initially said it, I said I don't know. I I'm I'm explain it.
I don't know because when I when I hear it, it's like in comparison to who? Like if we're least protected in like in comparison to who? What c? Well, S just gave categories, so I get the categories, but it's like in comparison to who? Like we're least protected.
Well, y'all don't like for us to compare ourselves to other classes, but when we talk about other classes, so of course, uh, children are at every twist, turning angle, the least protected. And then as far as African-American women in America, that's where we come into play.
Um, and that's against other racial groups within the US. Other racial groups will have different laws, >> right? Um, okay. Other racial groups will have different laws in effect to protect them when something arises. And sometimes that's never that that's not always the case when it comes into play for African-American women. So, I don't know.
>> Oh, you would uh I think the Native Americans um lead in most of the categories.
Um, so is it just just based off like is it what is it based off?
See this is now this is >> but they also are classified as I'm Oh, sorry.
>> Well, this is where it gets interesting, right? Because is it like how do we qualify and quantify, you know? So, I've made the claim I made the statement about like the birthing the death the death rates for the the disparity. Like I do have questions about that. Um, how do we substantiate these things though?
Like how do we like because we want to because remember I said alleged disdain, right? The dislike of black women, right?
>> So if we going through case um parsing out if sod is accurate, she's accurate, right?
>> I think protection goes across many spectrums, not just physical.
You know um the question that would be asked is what is the conduct right why are you seen as such is it propaganda is it behavior is it is it scientific like what what what's the what's the equation >> um I believe yeah I was going to say propaganda go ahead Caressa because I've been >> no I would say it's a combination of both um the propaganda is motivated ated by the behavior that's being exemplified. So, it's a combination of both.
>> Yes. I I think at this point it's kind of baked into the cake how we have uh we we've been uh portrayed as having a higher pain tolerance. So therefore, when if we like speaking of the child birth thing specifically or whatever, um we have a higher pain tolerance. So therefore, our cries are going to are are ignored more so than other races of women. Um the the the the strong and independent trope that also plays into it as well. Our resiliency is um weaponized against us um and is propagated as we don't need any help. And then when we cry for help, it's like, oh well, you don't need no help. You strong and independent. You know what I'm saying? that kind of thing. And I'm not just talking about like, you know, amongst, you know, our own. I'm talking about wider society.
>> Okay.
>> So, yeah.
>> Anybody else?
>> Um, you know what, Ham, I actually have a a question.
>> Sure. you know, um, is it fair to say that the expectation of wanting that protection misplaced >> is what was the last part?
>> Is it is it unfair or is it fair to say that the expectation of wanting that protection is misplaced? meaning from anyone as a whole just you know being a woman since we're talking about women is it fair to say that that expectation is misplaced. I think that nobody owes you anything nor you nor do people deserve anything. I think everything is earned, right? And reciprocity is uberly important to most people, right? So oftent times people don't go out their way for people that they don't know, don't understand or have a stereotype about um that there's no value, right?
There's no reciprocal value, right? So whenever you running around here by yourself, you are least protect, you are less protected, right? Like I if I get a flat tire, I generally don't call my wife, right? Like I just don't like she can't really help me, right? However, I have a person to call.
You see? So if I need a level of security, hey, call this thing, do this, do that, whatever the case is, I have that, right? Or someone who is tethered to me that really is void of choice. She got to help, right? You see, same thing would apply in the inverse.
So to expect protection when you're not tethered to somebody whose obligation is to you, I think is kind of unrealistic, >> especially in today's world, you know.
But >> yeah, since we bought into this uh more individualistic uh mindset as a as a country, I'm not even talking about black folks specifically. I can definitely see that happening for sure.
>> Okay. Yeah. Anybody else on that one?
Uh they saying that um your your your uh mic is a little choppy. Um, Cro, >> mine is Oh, >> yeah. It's like kind of like >> What about choppy?
>> Is it still choppy now?
>> Uh, we'll see. Keon, what's up? He said he said, "Beautiful panel except me."
No doubt.
No doubt.
After the game with the $10 says, "Accountability and self-awareness is kryptonite for for most black women."
Dark Lake with the $10 says, "What I find is verbal bravado is one of the only ways women can show aggression."
So, they feel like if they don't see a man doing that, then it's somehow a sign that he is incapable of protecting.
Also, if he don't talk big [ __ ] H, that's interesting. Dub man a great with the $10 says lladies would you be proud if your son went home protecting a woman he never met so he's saying got killed >> would you be proud >> would you be proud of him?
No, >> just my four cents with the $5 says in 2019 there was 23 million black females and of that 23 million only 1,900 were un alive which is less than 086%.
So much for most unprotected in t with the $5 says the average woman of any color wouldn't hesitate to put their brother, nephew, uncle, whatever life on the line. We are disposable heroes to them.
Why is this a very loud sentiment you think? And we had this conversation.
Accountability and self-awareness is kryptonite. And I got a few more clips, but accountability and self-awareness is kryptonite for black women.
>> Do you guys hear that a lot?
>> Yes.
>> What do you think it is about the conversation? Right. What do you think was said this evening? What do you think is said most often? What do you think about the approach that is taken in conversations that makes that sentiment come out basically every time there's a conversation?
Um, I think kettle >> I think I think it starts when we're trying to pinpoint something and or pinpoint the issue or talk about what the problem is and then it gets shift like it shifts to something else or the the blame is placed on something else rather than um black women taking accountability or being able to not shift the blame to something else and try to look within. I don't think I think that sentiment comes when there's that blame shift. Whenever that blame shift comes, that's when they um make that statement.
>> Um go ahead.
Oh, um I was just about to say I think um it's hard for people to make that um especially women.
It may be just because most of the time we're not necessarily I guess putting in those situations to be able to take accountability. Um but I definitely heard the sentiment before. I just think that for most people when you do have to look in a mirror, it's uncomfortable. It doesn't feel well. Um, and it takes a it takes um a certain particular characteristic to be able to even do that, to have the self-awareness to know or want to to to do better. Um and unfortunately you know my sentiment is at a whole I don't think people are good people to be able to do that. So >> now sad let me ask you how you answer does it does it does it prove his point? I don't have >> it doesn't prove at this point because I take accountability >> personally for >> sorry what I said was >> the way you answered not you the way you answered the question right >> there was a transition to people >> because I'm trying to figure out >> it was a transition to people because >> it was a transition to people because for one I don't get into gender pacific Because when I look at the gender specific conversations and I hear it from both the male side and from the women's side and I take the gender out of it, we're all saying the same thing.
We're literally all saying the same thing. So I don't necessarily think that it's a a gender defect. I think it's a a a people defect. I think this is it goes to the character of the person necessarily. And if you want to say at whole that the character of the woman is like that, then I mean I I can agree with y'all. But I I don't I don't know.
I just think it's a defect that people report.
>> I have have something.
>> Yeah. So, no, I was just saying based on the question he asked because I'm I'm trying because remember my question is why is this being said, right? And then when I'm hearing the answer, I understand it. I think I disagree that everybody's saying the same thing, but I understand how you can come to that conclusion. However, because I'm asking why they're saying that and then when we answer like that, that'll literally like kind of prove the reason why they say it. That's why I was asking.
>> Yeah. But yeah, and I can't I can't I can't see how it got convoluted. But I also said because as a female when I am in certain situation I am I know I can get off on a lot of stuff necessarily versus a man. So that's why I did try to make that point that yeah we're not always held in situations where we're always we have to be accountable unfortunately. So I do think that that takes account as to why a lot of women may not be able to be accountable for their actions. And then I laid the basis out too that it's just more so uh a character flaw as two people.
My bad.
>> Yeah. No, I don't think it was convoluted. I think it was clear. I just I just based on my question, I know it'll feed into that that that sentiment. That's all. Uh go ahead, Crista.
>> So, um just answering what the gentleman said, from my experience, um I think why it can be seen that way. Um, again from my experience and I'm just telling myself a little bit from what I've learned. Um, taking accountability. I think when we start talking in regard to something, we don't acknowledge what we should be taking accountability for and we start to talk about something else before acknowledging it and just moving forward to the next thing, providing a reason as to why something happened before actually acknowledging whatever it was we may have needed to take accountability for. If that makes sense.
>> Yeah, I can I can I can see that. You know, we had fun with one thing, Cresa, that goes to that point. Yes, your mic's still chopping.
>> Um, one thing that goes to what you said is like we played this post and it was funny. It was like saying sorry, right?
It was like men sorry one line. Women, he scribbled all over the board and didn't even get to sorry that was on the right. He just got the the f word on the left. Like she didn't even end up saying sorry, you know? So, it's almost like the questions asked, but then it's like skirted around and you're like, damn, can we get the answer before we get the con, you know, get your context. Um, and so I think that that is construed in a way in which it seems to be lack of accountability. So, I think I understand that. Um, go ahead, Cali.
>> I'm switch my phones, y'all.
I was going to say that that reminds me of a um discord discussion that we had after the show um Wednesday where um they were saying like you know the question was posed what do women do wrong inside of relationships and everything and I said that um often times we get caught up in trying to explain what our intention is and that can be seen as a lack of accountability um because we'll often lead with um and I know that I do this myself as well that we can often lead with trying to present what our intention is and then the sorry may or may not come at the end and in the incident that it does come in at the end that um you know it's kind of like well you've already set the tone that you're trying to explain away what happened and all this kind of stuff like that and it's and the sorry doesn't seem as uh as as as genuine as what you intended. it to be. So, I think that um to Cristana's point, acknowledging the fault first, leading with that and then maybe trying to explain the intention may help that um that perception. But I think we do get caught up in trying to um explain, oh no, I didn't I didn't mean it like that. It was actually blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. And then we can get, you know, how we talk. We can get into a 15minute um explanation of as as to what our mindset was at the time. You know what I'm saying? It can be seen as a a non-apology apology.
>> Yeah. The petty politic with the $2 says, "Not being proud is wild.
Your son get smoked trying to protect somebody."
>> I was like, "What was that in reference to?" Yeah, that that that >> I'mma be sad.
>> My initial reaction will not be, you know, I'm proud my son got popped cuz he wanted to help some random girl. You know, shout out to my son. RIP. That is not going to be my reaction.
>> How about this?
>> Wait, what's this?
Oh goodness.
Every time I'm on Facebook, Instagram I see so many videos, right? And maybe they're just curating these videos, right? But I would say it's upwards of like probably 80% women fighting. And I'm not exaggerating because there's no benefit.
What is is it just what is it?
Like >> anybody want to go because I'm about to go.
>> Go ahead.
>> It's the out the damn I didn't say it.
But um it's that's you him like okay I'm not going to lie. I do be seeing them a little bit but and it do be the females but I think it just be off the basis of like you know um y'all be having a little bit more to lose I guess when it comes to the fighting. So it's like a man. It's like a man. Like y'all gonna get crazy. Y'all probably gonna pull out guns and stuff.
Men, I mean females be doing it too. But it just like a female talking crazy. I don't know. It just don't sit well in certain people's souls. So they be like, "What you say? Get active."
>> My interpretation of that video is they got nothing to lose. They don't got no career. I mean, the job that I'm in, god forbid a video like that starts circulating the net of me out there swinging on somebody, I'm losing my job.
If I lose my job, I'm losing my house.
So, that just that's somebody who don't got nothing to lose. Probably youngsters school. Um, still don't still aren't able to control their emotions, lack that emotional regulation. But yeah, that that just seems like young kids that ain't got nothing to lose at that point other than >> But I think it goes I think it goes back to more so the nothing to lose because it do be uh older women too. But it it be it don't be like regular. I don't know like I don't want I don't even want to say ghetto but I don't space.
Is it a woman who's going to wake up for her 9 to5 the next day?
>> I I'm not I'm in a point in my life I pay my tax dollars. I'm calling a cop.
It's a lie. I'm calling a cop.
>> Right. Stereotypes, >> right? And we're speaking stereotypes.
So stereotypically, what we're seeing is it's the woman with the And I know I keep referencing hair bonnets. I wear my bonnets, too, so I'm not saying nothing negative about it, but that's what's portrayed out there. It's the woman with the hair bonnet out there fighting with her butt crack showing who's living in the projects or she's fighting in Walmart aisle six. Like that's just what it is, >> right? Him, I have a question.
>> Mhm.
>> Do you have another video to play?
>> Yes.
>> Hello.
>> Yes.
>> Can y'all hear me? Oh.
>> Oh.
>> Well, what's up?
>> You got another video. Oh, did you see because I think we need to play this video because this is crazy. Now, this is crazy. Did you see about the um It's the woman from Philly. Her name Queen App and she talking about having a abortion at seven months. Well, no, she like five. She like six months.
>> I got something for that, too. Hum. I got a screenshot that I took today. It is right on key for this show.
>> Oh, you know what I'm talking about?
>> I got a screenshot just for this.
>> Okay. Yeah, that I think that if we going to talk about some low down, that's some low down. Well, what I'm at my my my concern is how much of the slowdown is reflective of upwards of 40% of women and 40% >> it would be >> I blame that >> we it's not to Sad's argument about the algorithm. I do not think it's the algorithm because we got baddies. We got now that's TV. We got whole show networks revolving around women fighting, specifically black women fighting. So it's not just on it's not and then actually it is also social media because the clips from the show get circulated and posted and just shown around online as well. So it's not it it's not just it's not just the algorithms like it's that's me. You can't just blame you can't just say it's the algorithm. You can't say it's because that's what he want to see and these is the videos that he's liking. So that's why it's coming up.
>> It's it it's a lot of these videos, different backgrounds, different settings, different people, and then sometimes the same person too fighting and getting into these situations. It can't just be the algorithm.
>> I would have to give uh I'd have to lean more so towards the algorithm because I don't see none of this [ __ ] that y'all talking about.
Um I can I can um can agree to the sense of that we are in like a culture where it is highly I guess lucrative to want to fight and to have that posted. So I give you that. Um so yeah >> what y'all say?
>> Now I'm not saying it's 100% algorithm.
>> Here here's here's the thing.
>> I'm not saying >> let me make this argument real quick.
The argu the argument about the algorithm is moot because in the algorithm of fight videos it's upwards of 80% black women.
So what we're looking at is a category right in which it is fight videos and there is an over representation of the demographic that we're trying to allege that the disdain is warranted or untrue.
That's why the algorithm points move.
>> Oh, well, I wasn't really that wasn't really my main argument, the algorithm.
It was like a little a little shady jokey joke. Yeah, but I guess it did land. Um, but that wasn't my focus point because I agreed.
>> So, my baby, >> can you guys hear me now?
>> We can hear you. See kind of far.
>> We can hear you. got the algorithm >> because you know what you're going to see if you have a boxing algorithm >> you're going to see people boxing but guess who's going to be boxing men right so when you look at that that that category right you have people in that category so my my algorithm consists of this and inside of that category this is the over representation >> you know I agree because even now my I've been seeing I told you I've been seeing the fights. I don't know what's going on. Um I don't know.
>> You've been clicking on it. That's what's >> I have been clicking on it, Carissa. I'm trying to get ready. I gota I gotta prepare.
>> Um but yeah, I have been clicking on it.
But I don't know. It just popped up. So I think he got >> I And I think that that's where we come into play as a people because we're the ones recording it and posting it.
That's not to say that, you know what I'm saying? White folk, Asian folk don't fight or anything like that, cuz they do, and we know that they do or whatever. They ain't recording it and posting it on a dagger internet at the same rate.
>> But we got TV shows surrounding us fighting, >> right? And also said too, that in those reality shows or whatever like that, the ones that get the most attention are the white ones. No, no, no. Like we we also have the Real Housewives of Atlanta or we have the But that's not that >> that's not bad.
>> They're the least viewed.
The black ones are the least viewed >> in our community. Baddies. Now that's TV. These are these are things that are watched heavily in our community. Like baddy Sunday, that's a thing. That's a hashtag. So that >> that's why I said that's where we come into play in propagating the [ __ ] >> But is it It's not propaganda if we're going out there and we're getting paid to fight on TV. Like that's not propaganda.
>> I'm Okay. So when I say propaganda, just like stereotypes, there is an element of truth to it, but the the the the intensity or the amount of it is the prop is the propaganda where it's isolated to that's just what they do as a whole.
>> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I I remember you saying that from earlier. Okay. Mhm. But yeah, I said I said when when it comes to like the, you know, the social media stuff and and for example, the video that he just posted, if we're the ones recording it and uploading it more so than what, you know, other folks are doing, then that's when we play part into promoting and and and and propagating it. We're feeding into it.
Hey, my bad.
>> Perpetuating the stereotype essentially.
Okay. So, let me see. I got this here.
Bring this up really quick.
All right.
So, Mana Rose, say me and her the same. I just don't keep mine.
This page says, "Rihanna, Rihanna baby bumps spotted at Met Gala. I'm so tired of her." Like, dang, you don't need that many kids, dude. We get it. You're fertile. Relax. And the lady says, "Me and her the same. I just don't keep mine." Aaliyah, what's your sentiment on this as you shared it?
>> That's not crazy.
That's not crazy to say. That's not a crazy status to post.
>> I mean, what you think?
>> Like that's crazy.
When I seen my first like when I first seen it on my timeline, I was just like that's crazy. Like that's a crazy statement to say. me and her the same.
Mind you, Rihanna has three kids now, right? So, if we gonna put it into perspective, right? So, that means this girl was pregnant over three times or at least three times and got rid of three kids, black kids.
>> Is it Is it actually crazy today?
>> That's >> That was crazy to me. I'm saying like do people look at it as as like she's wilding or they accept it?
>> No, they they they it was hard on that.
It was hearts on it after a while. Like she got hearts on it and there other girls saying the same type of thing as well. So it's not a problem, >> man. I mean, what you think, man? you know, there's there's a negative sentiment um regarding, you know, the demographic of black women. Do you guys think that it's a jacket that is earned or a jacket that is given? Do you think that we need to put some of these things to rest, put some of these things to bed or do you think that there's so much merit out there? Right? Cuz like I said, the least protected, right? The least desired, overweight. I mean, there's just so many things that are being said, right? men are leaving at um you know ex exponential rates in terms of dating women of other races. Like do you think this stuff is just kind of you know kind of just just being thrown or you think that this stuff has like a a lot of merit? You know do you think that black women are truly all these things that are being said and at at a percentage?
>> I don't actually believe that you know all black women are these things. I I believe there's merit to what is being said because of what's being displayed um and what's being highlighted, but that's not the case for, you know, all of the black women. I I think there was a percentage that was put up about the 40%. So, I believe that there's a a broader spotlight that's being portrayed on that 40% where um that merit it does hold true, unfortunately.
>> Yeah. I mean, 40 Here's how I look at a lot of stuff. Uh, Crista, if you owe me $100, you can't give me $60.
>> Right.
>> There was a thing that one of the brothers had used and I'm think it's a great thing. It's called the peric peric victory.
>> So, essentially, for those that don't know what that means is you win the battle, but you take such high casualties, it isn't worth it. Mhm.
>> Like it it feels like a loss because of how damn how much damage you took.
>> Right.
>> Right. You almost can't tell who the victor is.
>> Right.
>> Um and so at 40% it's just like gez. And then you have another I would allege 30% that's silent, you know. Uh if you like it, I love it.
Let her do her. You can't tell her anything.
Right. those people would almost be like either helping the propaganda or or no are like inconsequential to it kind of but they just kind of just stay out the way >> and like Cararissa said yo you got to do for you right I can't be focused on this all this other [ __ ] >> she going to be a she going to do this she gonna be that that's what she gonna be >> right so I understand it but that person is of n of non effect or negative effect you know, so what do we do, right? How do we um how do we fix the quoteunquote propaganda?
Can it be fixed? Can it be turned around? Is sod accurate and saying, "Hey, we have to highlight the positives in order to fix it." But then it's like the negative is seemingly in your face.
And then when we do have to operate with one another, how does that go?
How often does a conversation happen like how we having it now?
>> Very little.
>> You have to change the narrative until the narrative changes.
>> Okay.
>> You said what, Carissa?
>> I said you have to change the narrative until the narrative changes.
>> Right. So, how do we do that?
>> It starts with behavior. That's why I said it starts with us. We got to change first. So once we make the change that we want to see, eventually that's going to be the change that's going to be put out there. So that's why I keep saying it starts within because at the end of the day, do we have control over other people? No, we don't. But you know, if you want to see change, you have to start somewhere. So that somewhere starting within.
>> Um, okay. So I can agree with that. when it comes to what we ourselves um promote, right? What we shine a light on to. But when it comes to wider society, I don't think that we can fix it. And unfortunately, when it comes to wider society, we grow up in the same America as everybody else. So, we we are also susceptible to um to co-signing.
Well, not co-signiting, but um um uh believing the propaganda that's presented amongst the wider media. I think we can help ourselves within our same media. Just to, you know, put a stamp on the point. I think we can help ourselves within our own media, what we promote, what we present, and things like that. Wider society, I don't think we can help that. And history shows we I don't think we gonna put a dent in that like at all. H >> well I don't I don't know about that because when we talk about we say that everybody copies us right or they follow us and we set every trend right so if we the blue if we the blueprint if we start liking if we start like s said promoting the positive things maybe or condemning the bad things of our like of our community maybe that can transcend and past our community seeing that majority of us is not going for that or we're not even standing we're not even trying to uphold that we're not trying to push that forward like in our music in our TV shows anything that we able to control it it shouldn't result into that if we don't promote those things maybe that can transcend past our community into broader society because just going on the logic chain, right? If we're the blueprint, they got to follow suit. No, they follow suit with everything else.
So, they not going to follow suit when we decide to, you know, be positive in our community, switch up our language, how we speak to each other, how we move with one another. Um, our movies, our music, you don't think it'll change. We discontinue Zeus and baddies.
You don't think so? No.
>> Not at all. History shows us that that's not true.
It ain't happening.
>> Um, well, >> I don't know.
>> I don't know if history shows it if it's never been done.
>> No. Yeah. It's it's it we when when the numbers weren't at the 40% like that, right? as far as what is um presented to the um to wider society, we still we still have that same stigma. That's what I'm saying. History shows us that that's not going to happen for wider society.
We played the um >> when >> Go ahead. My bad.
>> I'm saying when when when was this done?
We were sitting around there um peacefully protesting for our own civil rights and they s dogs on us. We were just out of slavery and we were labeled as the the the we were labeled as lazy, good for nothings, criminals, all this kind of stuff like that. There was um we weren't even uh attacking um we we weren't even attacking the white women or white people, but there were ads put out in newspapers about fearing the fearing the uh fearing black people, black men specifically, that they're going to do x, y, and z, so we need to go ahead and create these laws to keep them in check and things like that to protect us from the evil thing. We weren't even the highest on welfare. Um the but we were presented as the welfare queen. But the welfare queen in actuality on paper was actually a white woman. But when they going ahead and they put it out or whatever like that into the media, it was the black woman that was the face of it. Black well not the black woman, black women were put as the face of it.
So that's why I was saying history shows us time and time again that that's not happening for wider society. They're not going to follow that logic train because that logic train is not politically expedient nor does it go on ahead and well yeah politically expedient. It's not. And they buy into it every single time because you have to have someone to blame for society's ills and it's always easier to be the Spider-Man meme.
>> Yeah. I think I think I hear the correlation trying to be drawn. things like slightly false equivalency.
Um because what happened is um these the things that you mentioned happened to us.
>> Uh the things that we're we're discussing now are happening by us, >> right? Well, >> peacefully protesting peacefully is subjective, right? Because you're going against the status quo, you know, and so you're lesser than at that juncture. So then they sick dogs on us, right? Now we are willfully doing these things.
Uh and and so we're we're feeding the beast. We are loading the gun. The gun is there and we giving the ammunition.
So I I see us I see a contrast there.
>> Yeah. I I say that we are providing the ammunition, right? But if we take away the ammunition ammunition, I'm saying that the um the the propaganda is not going to stop because when it wasn't there, that was a constant was the propaganda. That's what I'm saying. So gun So when I >> Huh.
>> A gun can't shoot without no bullets.
>> They didn't have bullets before.
>> Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. It's a It's a correlation, but it's the equivalent. It's not equivalent. Right.
They had to do things to us because we weren't doing anything.
>> Right. Now they have to do absolutely nothing. And we and we give them all the cannon fodder they can they can possibly use.
>> Right. That's why I said that's why I said amongst ourselves and what we ourselves propagate I feel that we can make a change there as far as the perception but when it comes to wider society it ain't happening but if if it if it's not happening for wider society wider society will be delusional they will then that's when we will have the argument that it's you know propaganda like we will have that argument to the fullest like we will be able to make that argument and and not be a problem or it's not seen as us deflecting or not taking accountability for our actions.
>> We have a foot we will have a you know a leg to stand on. But right now we don't have that leg.
>> And what I'm saying is is that when we have those legs to stand on, it ain't going to matter.
That's what I'm saying. because they didn't have the legs to stand on before and it still happened. That's why I said if we continue with us >> that was the point. They did have the legs to stand on back then. They wasn't doing anything. They were just going they were just protesting like you said peacefully protesting going against status quo. That's what they were doing.
So they had to do more to get for it to get a reaction or for it to be something bigger. Now they don't have to do anything. Now we're just doing it. So now we no longer have the leg to stand on.
>> And what I'm saying when we have the leg to stand on, it ain't going to matter because we had a leg to stand on before several instances in the past and it didn't matter to wider society. That's that's all that I'm saying. It ain't going to matter. The constant is whether we have a leg to stand on or whether we don't. The constant is that we are the problem.
the black people are bad. We are the problem. We're the ones causing all the issues. That's the constant whether we have elected stand or whether we don't.
That's why I that's why I'm in a containment within our own selves and the media that we can control and what we do see and what we do propagate. We we can have a chance to change our perception amongst ourselves.
But that perception is not going to change for wider society. period.
>> Yeah, I would have to >> they ain't following no logic trend.
They following what's politically expedient.
>> Yeah, I I would I think I kind of almost vehemently disagree >> because they're the contrast is so stark between them doing things to us and us literally feeding the beast.
So I think that we we we I mean it's known it's circular at this point but those are stark contrast that we're trying to make equivalent that simply aren't. They had to make the last point they had to make vagrant laws. They had to make loitering laws. They had to write the 13th amendment in a particular way right to get us uh prosecuted and put back in the chains. You see, they had to do these things. All right? And so now, fast forward to now, we are doing things that allowed it to continue the per perpetual um negativity that's bestowed on us and we we can control those things, which is the stark contrast. So, um go ahead.
So what I was going to say actually to um Aaliyah and um Kelly um I understood both of the points and I I certainly agree with you Aaliyah when you said that um basically you know influence influence is very powerful and so if enough of us do you know better things that's going to help it will help for sure and I understood what Cali was saying when she was saying you know when we focus on our community and start doing better things um that helps also but I I do believe that it will trickle trickle out to, you know, more broad if if enough of us keep doing it because we have the control to do that. We just have to want to do it. You know, I believe that all things are possible to those that believe. And again, you know, we talked a little earlier about, you know, um people getting left behind. So, he that hasn't, let him hear. You know, either they're going to go with the train or they're not. But I do think that at least if we try, that's going to help. It's going to make some sort of change. It's just not going to stay in a bubble if enough of us do help.
>> Yeah.
>> Um I def I definitely agree with that. I just think when I hear like when Callie explains her logic, like I get it. I understand it. I just think that's just similar to the same type of justifications that's given for why nobody wants to change the behavior because we're not in control. No matter what we do, >> it's still going to end in the same result. And I just don't think that's true.
>> And that type of mindset, that type of thinking gets us nowhere.
>> And it gets it it enables the bad behaviors that's in our in our communities to for it to keep happening because nobody wants to do anything because we think we don't have no control and the way people view us is just not going to change.
>> Yeah. I think that we need to start viewing ourselves in a certain way.
Damn whatever whatever well damn to a certain extent you know what I'm talking about but damn whatever everybody else thinks of us. I think it's more important how we view ourselves at this current juncture. So if we can stop that amongst ourselves cool that's great right and you know I mean this is coming from me I am a self-segregationist or whatever right I don't I don't I don't I don't [ __ ] with them if unless I I absolutely have to.
But you know what I'm saying? If we can if we can control how if we can um help propagate how we see ourselves, I think that we will fare off a lot better or whatever. But I absolutely do not think that it is going to trickle out into wider society cuz when they didn't have the bullets, they went ahead and they got a 3D printer and made some.
>> So like you said, you started with saying like f how they feel, right? f if they change their view or not. I agree with that. If even if they don't change their outlook on our community, at least we know we're doing the work to change >> and we're we're doing the work to change our behavior. We're doing the inner self-reflection that we're supposed to do to >> change our outlook. So whether they change or not, >> I feel like we should still do the work.
>> That's what I'm saying. I'm saying the same [ __ ] Yeah, I'm saying we can go on ahead. I I just don't think that it's going to trickle out to wider society.
That's the only that's the only point.
Um that's the only counterpoint >> is that I don't think it's going to trickle out to how other people view us.
They going to view us how they view us regardless of the fact. I'm saying we should do the work and control what we can control, which is us.
>> Yeah.
>> We agree that >> I guess I just wonder though how much how well are we listening to each other, right? So often um it's back and forth.
Nobody's right. These [ __ ] is wrong.
Uh these women are [ __ ] Uh these [ __ ] is [ __ ] >> He only complaining cuz he's a [ __ ] ass [ __ ] >> Right. She she she she went on a healing journey which means she just uh took a chill pill to the next penis.
Right. It's like everybody lying right about their plightes.
So if we saying inner work, when do we give what the other other sex is saying merit because we aren't married or are we going to keep saying it's cool to be single and all this other [ __ ] >> I think we should start giving merit to some of the things that's being said.
I think that's something that I try to express a lot like sometimes we should concede to the point cuz sometimes it is right not even sometimes well I know how you get hamp majority of the things that I hear sometimes is correct so you know maybe we can just grant that so we can move forward to the next part and that can go for both for both sexes. But if we're talking about women, I think women should definitely concede to certain things that's being said about our community. We just got to look in the mirror at some point if we're going to do the work like you're saying, Cam.
>> Okay. And then what what >> Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead.
>> Oh, no. I I just I was in agreement with what Aliyah said.
>> Okay. Um now, do you think also are there things that y'all need to definitely be like, "Nah, that ain't true." Like that that [ __ ] that's overhyped >> for sure.
>> Yes.
>> Like what?
>> Women are evil.
>> Inherently evil.
>> Inherently evil. Yes. I feel like that's very hyperbolic. I feel like it's very dramatic. Um and it takes away from the point that men try to make or for the argument they're trying to present to women. It it takes away from that argument because you're being so dramatic and that gives something for women to be like, "No, like to the def to get on the defense."
>> Yeah. I'm not going to say.
>> Okay. So, you're saying women are not inherently evil.
>> No, I don't think so. We're not inherently evil.
>> So, that's one thing you vehemently push back against.
>> Yes.
Okay. Okay. Okay. Anything else?
You know, this is what'll happen, right?
You'll have one woman um that'll do a thing and then um you know it's obviously extrapolated out you know and what you'll find is there's behaviors that are similar or a reminder of like that one extreme you know like as an example did you guys see this I have the clips but it's fine y'all see the Stefon Diggs thing.
>> Yeah. So Stefon Diggs, >> she was >> So Stefon Diggs is a football player.
For those who don't know, he played for uh the Vikings, the Buffalo, and um the Patriots. And his cook um accused him of physically harming her. And so her lawyer actually asked not even a few days ago for a $5 million settlement or whatever the case is, but he took it to trial, right? Um and so he was found not guilty today. So, she was kind of on the stand lying and dancing after she allegedly got beat up, you know, but it was a man with money, which was an opportunity. And then boom, right? And, you know, the Patriots didn't even like uh didn't didn't fire him, you know.
Usually they like let him go from the team. They're like, "Oh, we stand by you." You know, that usually does not happen um overwhelmingly, you know.
Like, damn, that's evil. You got the Shannon Sharp girl, right? the young girl, people who say, "Damn, she evil."
You know, just like those trying to take advantage of. So, I just wonder like what's the math, you know?
>> Well, they definitely were wrong in their pursuit. I'm not really familiar with it, but according to what you're saying right now, that's that's not the best thing, especially if if she's lying. That's that's not right. Um I don't know if I would call that act evil, but it's definitely um shifty and dishonest. Um, no integrity, low level.
>> Mhm. Yeah. And so I'm just thinking about Aaliyah's uh trope, right? Or what she's saying, you know? Um, like that's the thing that they'll be like, "Yo, that [ __ ] is evil, son."
You know, telling her brothers, "Go shoot his [ __ ] up." Like evil. Just lying. Just lied on the dude. And she's like, "Well, I lied because I ain't think nobody's gonna get hurt." But not if you say shoot [ __ ] That's not how bullets work.
>> Yeah, that's that's evil, >> you know. And so what happens is they'll be they'll I guess the sentiment is what is the capacity of most women >> is the capacity of most women to perpetuate that level of behavior, you know? And I guess how much evil [ __ ] do you have to do to be considered evil?
>> Evil.
you know, like you >> I just think the connotation of the word like it's a negative word, but I feel like it it has to be something like I can't say morally because when when we talking about lying on a man or like get getting a man shot because you you called him to come defend like those are evil things, right? Or evil actions.
I just don't know if that makes that person an evil person.
>> Yeah.
>> I feel like you have to it has to be more than that. It can't just be one singular action because that creates a slippery slope.
>> And you can say that for anything.
>> Molestation evil.
>> Yes.
>> Give that person a pass for any reason.
No.
>> Rapist evil.
>> Yes.
>> Pedophile evil.
>> Yes.
>> One action.
But you're right. But it takes I guess not. It don't >> I guess just talking about the nature the nature of that. Yeah.
>> Right. It could be care. What's popping?
>> Yeah. It could be the extreme, right? It can be extreme thing that you only needed one time, right?
So >> yeah, but to but to extrapolate that across an entire demographic of people based off of um individuals doing said thing, I think that's where the problem lies in saying inherently evil. Like all of y'all, all of y'all, 99% of y'all going to do this.
>> That's how >> I think it's the inherently it's the inherent word for me. Yo, because they're saying that's the sentiment because they're looking at the capability, right?
>> Um the my my ox just said it in the chat, right?
>> Abortion that evil.
Yes. I mean, it's it's considered um you know, and obviously there there are different things to that, but I know it's the way that I look at that is probably totally different from the way that other people look at it. like that there was a situation of like an emergency, a health issue, and you just have no control of that, that's something different. But if you um are consciously making a decision to do something um when you decided to have an act and you just don't want to carry out because you just don't want to do it, then I consider that sacrificing to Mo.
>> Okay. Yeah. I guess you you saying that she got to save her life or you know the baby's in trouble in peril or >> Yeah. Yeah. You you have no control really of that kind of situation. The doctors >> Yeah. We're talking about the choice the choice of >> Oh, okay.
Children.
>> Yeah. Yeah. That's sacrifice to Mullik.
>> Okay.
>> So that's what I'm saying, right? Like I can agree like we can say all of that, right? We can say women have core character.
I can I can agree with that too. Women got poor character.
Fine. But to it's just something about and when and when people make the argument like oh it's the semantics argument. I think that's what it is for me. I think it's semantics. Honestly, I just feel like it's something about the word evil. Like >> it's just it's a stain. I feel like that puts a stain on women. And then for you to for for it to be claimed that it's inherent, meaning that's something that that we can't necess necessarily change about ourselves, right? So it's just like Yeah. See, okay. So here's where I'm going to be an [ __ ] real quick.
Right.
So you can't say that I'm the woman is inherently evil if you're co-signing it and dropping me off at the abortion clinic because you want me to do that as well. Are they inherently evil then? Or if you go on ahead and you decide to go against what they want and keep it now you're evil for making them pay child support for a baby that they never wanted. H.
>> So that's why I'm saying like this pot kettle, >> I think.
>> But yeah, that's just me being an [ __ ] real quick.
>> So I wonder Well, so then what do we do?
Just throw it out or something?
>> What? The inherently evil part?
>> No, like the being an [ __ ] thing.
Like do we just throw out what you said or?
>> No, I'm saying um what you call it. If I want to be an [ __ ] and go on ahead and talk about um and talk about the nuance of it and all this kind of stuff like that, then I can go on ahead and not do I can do that. That's not a problem.
>> I mean, what what are you you I mean, what did you say? You're saying like she got dropped off by somebody, so you're saying is he evil also? Cuz that's all you're really asking, >> right? I'm I'm I'm questioning the inherently part. There's there's basically there's you can't win for losing because we're inherently evil if we get rid of it even though you wanted you wanted me to get rid of it and then I'm also evil if I keep it and you didn't want >> you have to reconcile that with my body my choice right so what you're alleging is something that most women generally don't believe in right so that's a ride to most women because it is her choice to abort that baby right so that that would eat itself there and then also all you're admitting to is all you're asking is is he also evil? You're not saying she isn't. So now we're still at square one.
Um >> well yeah that's that's why I'm questioning the inherently part.
>> The second thing >> you can't win for losing.
>> What do you mean?
>> Mhm.
You can't win for losing because if you keep it then they're going to say that that's that's an evil thing. You kept a baby that I never did want.
>> No.
>> And then if you get rid of it then you're inherently evil because you killed a baby in your stomach.
>> Yes. But that those >> either way you're gonna be evil.
>> But those things don't eat themselves though, right? So you're you're saying they're saying >> don't what?
>> They don't they don't they don't they don't they don't conflict, right? They're not they're not contradictions, >> right? Cuz what you said was she kept the baby, right? That wasn't agreed upon because the sex was casual. It wasn't for reproduction, right? Cuz that cuz you got to just say the whole thing, right? And so now the baby comes. We have no relationship. That wasn't the expectation, right? And now I'm going to make sure that you pay penalty and perjury for a decision that you said I didn't have any control over. That that that would be the evil part. Not the keeping, but what she does, how she leverages that baby against that man.
That's what they would be calling evil.
So it's >> how am I you paying for a kid that you that that that you helped um create is evil.
>> Yeah. I'm telling you what they saying, right? So, there's no relationship. I don't want the kid, but it's your body, your choice, and now you get to put me under whatever the the law allows, right? When we didn't agree to have a kid, that wasn't the expectation. I'm just telling you that that's what's going to be said. I'm just saying that those two things aren't contrary. They they exist unto themselves.
>> No, it's it's also his body, his choice as well.
>> Different. Well, that's a separate conversation in argument, right? That that doesn't pertain, right? Cuz I guess you're saying it's also he he he orgasms. So after that, now he loses all control over uh what happens next. Okay.
But that what that does happen is now it still puts her more under the implication because now she has full control and she's making all these decisions to manipulate the baby and or him based on her inclination.
Right. He also has full control over where he places his nut. Period.
>> Yeah. But we already addressed.
>> But you see when y when you make Okay.
When you make arguments like that, that sounds crazy, right?
>> How does it sound crazy?
>> Because that's the only time he got any type of decision making is when he bust a nut and that's it.
>> And like it sounds like coercion. It sound like >> I didn't coers you to nuted me. I'm sorry, >> Cali. You're not I I just want you to understand you're making arguments fine, but you're not. What I'm see what I what I want to let you know is what you're saying isn't helping the point of the inherent nature. It's it's almost kind of personifying >> proven, >> right?
So, I understand what you're saying if you're making arguments about um chastity and protection, right? But the conversation is the inherent nature.
So, if you you can keep making the points, but I just don't know if you're you're clearing her name of being inherently unjust or evil.
>> No, what I'm saying is the inherently part don't make no sense. if I'm going to be evil either way.
>> But it does make sense because they think it they think it's inherent. So no matter what you do, yeah, you're evil because it's inherent.
>> That's why it don't make no sense.
>> Cali Cali, I'll say >> that's that's why the inherent part don't make any sense. Cuz whether I keep the baby, I'm inherently evil. If I get rid of it, I'm inherently evil. You can't win for losing. So inherently is going to be uh is is is it's all [ __ ] Now I just wasted my time then. So I just hope that everybody else heard what I was saying about the evil part of keeping a kid and then the exploiting like cuz this is what they're seeing. They're saying he's being exploited for a kid that only you wanted and now there's child support and all this other stuff and etc. That's the evil part that they're going to say. Not you keeping the kid. If you only want the kid, you can keep the kid and be done with it. They're saying, but then how you treat the kid, treat him, child support, etc. That's what they're going to label as the evil part, not just birthing the babyish baby itself.
>> The coercion into fatherhood is the inherently evil aspect.
>> Yeah. Like you like, [ __ ] it, I'm keeping my do you.
>> They better think about biology talking about some dag on coercion. I got to blow my nose.
>> Yeah. Um, but again like Cali having a different conversation and we would be conversing about it differently, but we're talking about how they view the women after these actions.
You know, Chris Cristana, were you trying to say something?
>> I I was going to say something. Um, but this would just be me providing context to the situation cuz we don't know how situations go when two people decide they want to lay down with each other, right? Um, I don't know if there's a conversation that's had saying, "Hey, you know what? if we're not using protection, um there's a possibility that this person may end up pregnant and a person says, you know what, I'm I'm not willing to give up the child if that's what you know happens. This is what it's going to be. So, you have an understanding, but I don't know how many times those conversations are had, but I think that when two people lay down with each other, they both automatically have that responsibility, meaning that they know something could act, they could something could happen. So before they even decided to do that, they have a decision to walk away. So I don't know if I necessarily look at it as coercion or being evil if a person decides to keep the child even if that individual does not want the baby. That's just how I look at it.
>> Yeah. So just different reality.
Um 100% of the time ain't nobody saying none of that [ __ ] Yo, just let you know I I'm having this baby. Never. That not even a thought. Ain't nobody after 42 minutes you can take the condom off like that.
>> I was just providing the cut back.
>> Yeah, I'm saying that >> going home after the club.
>> Yeah, that context damn near don't exist at all. Uh Cristana, like nobody irresponsible then. It's it's irresponsible on both parties because then there's still responsibility that's due if a child comes out of it. So the both parties are irresponsible.
>> Yeah, I I agree. Remember what we're conversing about. Now, here's the thing, right? If women if black women have 15% um uh mortality rates, right? If I'm not mistaken, is it 15%.
Right? If you know what babies do, right? Um in terms of a woman in her body, right? like that acute um this y'all correct me but it's like acute alopecia where they start to lose their hair after the baby and postpartum and etc right >> you know you're thinking about the trauma of on her body right and the implications you know >> I if I'm implicated more in something I'm going to be more responsible just naturally because I have to pay most of the burden and the perjury but I do agree that both people are irresponsible however that's most sex is casual right? Like to have a baby and you don't know his middle name is >> insane, >> you know?
>> Yeah. But but >> that [ __ ] is crazy.
>> But yeah, your your your your point isn't lost. You know what I'm saying?
Like your point isn't lost, you know?
>> I just know as a once casual sex connoisseur.
>> Oh, and then if you give it up for adoption, then it's also, you know, you inherently evil because you gave up your child. So, I'm saying that doesn't say you can't you can't win for losing.
>> No, I mean I think Callie just want to prove the point of the inherent nature.
>> Maybe that's what she's doing.
>> It's not. It's not. It's not. You can't call me inherently evil.
>> But these are like I don't I don't know if she's being facitious, right? I don't know. She I don't know. I can't tell.
Right. I can't tell.
>> No, I'm being an [ __ ] right now.
>> Yeah. Right. Right. Okay.
>> But it would be terrible timing. These are arguments that women say like they say these things when when when they have these conversations. These are arguments that are thrown out there, >> right? So, it makes it hard for me.
>> It makes it really hard for me to be like women aren't inherently evil when these are the arguments that are given when we're trying to have, you know, >> the conversation. It makes it really hard.
>> Did someone say that we were >> like, >> are we evil?
>> Inherently evil? Yes, somebody did say that we're inherently evil and he got several hand claps after saying such.
>> Oh, I I see. Okay. Okay.
>> Mhm. Yeah.
>> Care what you think, man?
>> And I believe that women are inherently evil.
period. I you know like I I just feel like we go through the most trauma but we also give a lot of trauma as well. Um just looking at it from a perspective of not even not even just talking about the men. Um you have a lot of women out here who cause a lot of trauma to their do their own daughters. Um and I think that's a a evil thing. like you're just you're an evil person to even just be jealous of your own seed and you have a lot of women who are very deceitful. Um and that's all I mean that's the only thing I can say about that. I just I would have to agree that women are inherently evil for sure.
>> So is poor character and evil synonymous now?
You know what? Okay, that's what I'm saying. It it makes it hard to even argue. I wouldn't say I wouldn't say no I wouldn't say that I would say that some you know it it's it's definitely a case by case basis for sure >> but most of the time if you look at different cases it's just people decide to be evil it's not even nothing that that's it's obvious people do evil [ __ ] women do evil [ __ ] >> that's just what it is >> so if it's a people thing and >> I said women I corrected myself. I said women. Women do evil [ __ ] >> Yeah. So if being deceitful is considered evil, then everybody's inherently evil.
>> Maybe the inherent part is what's throwing me because inherent means it can't be changed, right?
>> So >> and that means that everybody going to do it.
>> No, inherently you're going to do it.
I'm getting stressed out.
>> No, Cali. Callie, I think you doing I just want to let you know, right? It's bad timing >> cuz it it's >> all right.
>> It's is it's it's kind of like messing it up like we trying to understand like Aaliyah saying this one thing that she don't appreciate that was said about women and just looking like damn bro you kind of like making the point like a little bit. Um, and Akira just said it straight out, >> you know.
>> It is like I I I I'm I'm just, you know, and it's crazy because we're having it y'all having this conversation and I was just talking to my home girl about this and we were talking about um the mother the the mothers who cause a lot of trauma on their own daughters.
And we look at the patterns of how they are with other people and we look at the patterns of of how they are with men.
And it's a pattern. It's definitely nothing that that you it's it's a cycle, right? And I feel like people have to break cycles if they want to. You know what I'm saying? Um when you don't break the cycle and you choose to be that person, that's just what it is. That's an inheritance, right? So when you say that word, it's definitely a thing because it passed down and it trickles down. You know, trauma trickles down.
And I feel like that's something that a lot of people don't look at and it's it's definitely a thing. It's sad, but it's true. Yeah, I I see I see I see your point. Um and so how do I say this secularly?
So the inherently evil thing um I think that the nature of the women is to be um I think we said it before like uh there needs to be a level of organization right that needs to happen right and also men are here right to provide protect right and have things to uh take care of and support in the ways in which We do and I think these things well I think they complement each other well >> you know but when we out by ourselves right the worst of our nature will come about >> and I think that's what we I think that's what we seeing when we got so many single people by themselves >> you getting the wor you're getting the worst of people >> cuz we think we can um figure it out you So, you saying we get the worst versions of people?
>> I think we do, honestly. Especially as we get older.
>> I agree with that.
>> Yeah. And just like biblically speaking, right, it says the heart is deceitful above all things. Who could know it?
Heart means mind most of the time, right? So, people are overwhelmingly selfish. I think that's inherent nature.
I would argue that I think women kind of take the cake on that selfishness.
Um >> I agree.
>> And um if you read the book of Sharak or Ecclesiasticus 26, it lets there's a whole lot in there to be kind of learned and and memorized, you know. And I think there's one thing it says that's key for the men. A godless man will get a godless wife.
Right.
So, we just got to, you know, not to go so deep into the scriptures, but we just got to really understand what this thing is, you know.
Um, I think a lot of men, we misunderstand our leadership is servant leadership a lot of the time. I would say probably maybe 60 60 70% of the time. Most time you doing something for other people to be successful, >> right? your kids, your wife, your family.
>> You need they need something, then you do what it takes to get it, >> you know. Um, so I don't know. It's uh it's tough.
It's tough, but I think that inherently selfish for sure. And I think there's levels to it. And I think I found that to be a little bit more highlighted um in the female as opposed to the males, but it exists.
Yeah, I can I can I can go for that. I can agree with that. And that's more digestible, right? But when you blanket it as women are inherently evil, that makes it less of a message that women will want to receive.
>> It turn it it'll turn ears off and I think it goes counter I think it's counterproductive to what the actual point is and what you want women to recognize.
Um yeah, I think um most men, especially the ones having a conversation, don't care.
It's like, you know how it's like if you tell the kid once or twice, right? But after the 10th time, you gonna tell them that little [ __ ] gonna get a beating or whatever the case is, right? I think they liked, "All right, this the 10th time we done told y'all and tone has been thrown out the window, pacing, all that."
>> Okay. I mean, that's understandable.
>> Mhm. So, I think that's what we might be celebrating.
I mean, not celebrating, but um um you might we might be experiencing.
>> Yeah.
just the exhaustion from having to keep repeating yourselves.
>> Yeah, I think that that's why you know that that it got to that portion like inherently evil to that to that extent.
So, >> amen. I guess >> I guess it's the truth, right?
>> Yeah. I don't think I think the inherently evil thing is a stretch as it pertains just to women, right? Um >> I agree with that point.
>> But there's but there's and that's why it's almost like when you say it like damn. Okay.
>> Right. There have been several points that I think should have been agreed with. So I wonder what what happens.
>> I guess the ones we like and that that's the concern.
Um, I think sometimes when I'm a little bit more quiet Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead.
>> I'm done.
>> Okay. I think from for me, um, personally, I think when I'm a little bit more quiet, I just like to listen because a lot of times, and I'm not going to go biblical, but I see things from that more so that type of lens, but I understand that everybody doesn't look in that way. Um, >> like what >> as far as as far as like just labeling um just all women inherently evil? You know, I wouldn't go that far to say that. I think that everybody or just, you know, since we're talking about women, I would basically call somebody or call a woman evil if she's exhibiting evil behaviors.
But I wouldn't label all women inherently evil.
>> Inherent traits, right, may never actually be realized. It doesn't mean that they don't exist, right? Things could be dormant, you know.
>> Sure. Sure. I have no disagreement with that.
>> If we all come from Adam, how do you process Eve's behavior?
What do you mean when you say that?
>> What do you think about her behavior?
>> She was wrong.
>> Definitely.
>> What is it though to go against the instructions of the Most High through her her husband?
>> Oh, she was disobedient.
>> That's disobedience. Yeah, >> that's it.
>> That's Yes. The Lord told her and Adam not to eat from that specific tree and she did it anyway. She was begalled by the ser serpent. And then when her husband found out about it, she he basically said the woman did this.
>> You disobey a direct commandment from the most high. You're not evil.
>> That was evil thing to do for sure.
Yeah.
>> No, >> that was so >> What about her?
>> Yeah, she she was definitely evil for doing that. Definitely.
>> And so if we all come from Adam, right, and we look at the birth, >> that means Adam's evil. Well, we look at well, Adam, Eve, right? Because you know, >> and so um when you look at see because all women, if you look at from a biblical standpoint >> are suffering from what Eve did, right?
>> Pursuant to Genesis 3:16.
>> And so if you are all suffering from what Eve did, you also have her nature, >> right? And if we agree that she was quote unquote beg by a servant serpent, right, which if people think it's a snake, we got bigger fish to fry.
Hopefully, I hope they know it's not an actual snake, >> right?
>> Right.
>> Um, then we have to process it if we're using that lens.
>> True. Yeah. I I don't I don't necessarily have a disagreement for you >> in that regard.
>> Yeah. It's biblical, right? So, yeah, you come from Eve. You're dealing with the sin that she committed, right? You have her nature. We all come from Adam, right? He's our progenitor, right?
>> And that's the woman who he had, you know, that his lineage comes from as well. Then we take on these dispositions.
>> Now, it can remain dormant, but it's inherent in us to be these things that are for >> Okay, I understand that point.
>> Yeah. So, biblically speaking, >> true. biblically speaking, but you we we have protocol where you have a guide that you can follow. So yes, that that may be inherent, but when you know better, you do better.
But to the point of inherent, I get where that comes from based off of what you're saying. Yeah.
>> Why somebody said so? Yes. Yes, I concur.
>> And remember the thing about things, right? If we just stay there just for a second, you know, pursuing Isaiah 45 and and seven, right? The most high creates evil also.
So it has a place, it has a purpose. Um pursuant to Psalms 58:3, the wicked go astray from the womb. They go astray as soon as they be born speaking lies.
>> So >> just biblically speaking, like if you know >> Yeah. Honestly, honestly, >> you know, um but it's interesting, man.
Oh, it's interesting, man.
Um I mean, I like that. I like that angle, Cristana, but I also kind of I don't go there so so often.
>> I know.
>> A lot of people kind of get they're not they're not they don't subscribe.
>> They they do, but they're not well learned and I don't often know if they want to hear it. But usually when we go there, people enjoy it, right? because >> it's not like some preachy [ __ ] >> you know.
>> Right. Right.
>> You know, so and I think it kind of people be intrigued like, damn, the Bible say this, the Bible say that, the Bible say you can punch him in his mouth if he talk too much [ __ ] I'm like, yeah, >> they like those.
>> I was I mean, I was about to ask the question low key. But >> go ahead, go ahead. Go ahead. Maybe I can answer it for you, too.
>> No, cuz it's just back to the interpretation of like the serpent, right? cuz I interpret it as like a inner voice maybe or like I didn't I didn't interpret it as something actually saying something to her to eat the apple. I thought it was more of like a internal battle. So is that what it is or was it >> people uh misunderstand who what existed at that time you know so like they have a son named Kane. You heard of Kane Aaliyah? Mhm.
>> Right. And he goes where? He goes to the land of Nod, right? And gets a wife, >> you know.
>> But if Adam and Eve are the only two people, where the hell did Kane get a wife from, >> you see? But in Genesis, pursuing to Genesis 1 and 27 or 28, right? Uh let's make man in our image, but also when it's talking about the beast and everything else and everything that was created, the word there is nephesh, right? which also has the essence of human beings, you know. So, Eve got beguiled by some [ __ ] talking to her about some [ __ ] >> Okay.
>> You know, so >> so it was an actual person. It wasn't >> there's people there. Yeah.
>> And Okay. Okay. Okay.
>> You know, um you know, the the Bible says um and I'm forgetting the verse.
Maybe one of the ox put it in the chat, but it says don't even go to the bar, the wine. Sorry. It says the wine with another man's wife, right? Which means bar. You know what I'm saying? So it's like you don't even frequent around another man's wife, right? Cuz people air, right? So I can't remember the verse off the top of my head. Somebody will get it for me though.
>> You're probably Yeah, you're private.
>> Uh go ahead, Cali. You had a question?
No. Um, no, I don't.
>> Oh, well. But yeah, man. It's tough, man. It's tough. I think, um, just because we on the scriptures, you know, um, you have to remember the law and keep the law and believe on Jesus Christ and fear God, right?
You gota you got to do all these things um if you want to get away from evil and whatever else.
>> You know that's the only way to combat it is complete compliance.
You know the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.
>> You know if we on that on that train feel me?
>> Yes. Yes. I I agree with you >> 100%. So it make it tough for people who don't have a baseline Ca >> they trying to figure out all they [ __ ] all this [ __ ] by themselves and they don't have enough knowledge >> right >> but then there's things that they think are bad that are good and good that are bad right >> and then they they be trying to understand that why they be wrestling with so much stuff >> when answers is right there >> yes >> you know so black said are you sure you don't have a question. Cali said, "See, we know you."
>> I'm I'm biting my tongue. I'm trying not to be evil right now.
>> Go ahead.
>> Well, you might as well go.
>> We about to get out of here soon, so go ahead.
>> Yeah, I'm I'mma save it. I'mma save it.
>> It's only people. You know what I'm saying?
>> It's 230 people here, so it's really just our people here at this point. So, go ahead.
>> Yeah. You know, but but the playback The playback.
>> Huh?
play the playback is gonna get more views than just the 200 that's in here watching it live right now earlier.
>> Yeah, y'all y'all will hear it backstage and probably the Discord. Maybe join the Discord, y'all.
>> Come on, Cali. You can't tease everybody. Go ahead and ask it.
>> Nope.
>> Join the Discord, y'all. If y'all want to hear what Callie got to say, >> the Discord, >> drop the link for the Discord.
You know one one thing I say this right thank you u there yeah so here's the verse Ecclesiasticus 9 and9 sit not at all with another man's wife nor sit down with her in the in thine arms and spend not thy money with her at the wine lest thine heart incline unto her.
So thank you appreciate you. Um, one thing that I was thinking about is the moms. You know, I think I I tend to have a little bit of an issue putting the jacket on the person who's there more than the person who left. And I know that the logic train says, "How can this person be the most impactful when they're not there?" Right? That's what the logic train says, you know?
But I remember I had an experience when my father missed one of my football games ever and I could remember every play from that game and I can remember not hearing him and I was cooking during this game [ __ ] I was b and I could hear him not yelling and every game before I always wanted him to stop yelling. See, >> so I take that and extrapolate to never knowing him >> and I think about the ideology or how my mind would work, what my motus apparendi is. They say he successful because your father, right? Because he had instilled values, you know, there's things that I learned, right? So if I'm void of those things, that would be equally or more impactful to me than my mom just being there. You see? So those things kind of work against each other, right? If he's the most consequential, then the consequences are uh increased when he not there, right? That's how I was kind of thinking about it.
>> So when we go saying that the mom is the biggest reason for, you know, the the the kids turning out poorly, that absence of the father is like you can't replace it.
>> Yeah. And my kids don't listen to my wife for [ __ ] But to me, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
You know, so now I take that and remove myself. Like even if they they think I'm not home, it's a field day. Mommy, daddy here? No. Boom. They come get in the bed, right? Like get in the bed with her, right? Because they know if I'm in here, like, y'all can't just come get in my bed. Y got to knock on the door. You know, all these things, right?
So, and I just think about the value that she adds to them, you know, but that structure, what happens when that's not there, right? My mom put me in everything. Everything. Swimming, [ __ ] tap dancing, everything. Of course, I play football, you know what I'm saying? Um, she'll be up with me 3:00 a.m., 4:00 a.m., you know, but the manly things that they say men are missing, right? My father told me once, if you want to be the best, you got to go against the best. when I was eight years old. That's what I did the rest of my life. And my mom never missed a football game. You see?
So, I don't know, man. That's how I kind of look at it. So, I think that that trope about the moms, I think that that needs a little bit more assessment. So, that's one I would push back against a little bit.
you know, the evil thing that just been they the ladies been getting beat down in the discord >> thing. So, >> okay, >> that's why >> I was wondering about that >> cuz it's crazy. I just feel like it's very dramatic and it's counterproductive to the point.
You want to get women to understand we have poor character and there's things that that it it's behaviors that we do that y'all don't like.
>> That's basically what they saying, >> but they but they saying, "Oh, y'all inherently evil."
>> Now the ears is closed and they know that's how women are. So it's just like why? It's counterproductive to the point >> and it's stressful for me.
>> Yo man. Yeah, man. That [ __ ] I I always listen to Have I participated in that combo as much? Not really.
>> No, >> I just be listen.
>> No, you were you were you you were absent, sir.
>> Yeah, man. That is an interesting combo, man. And you know what I did hear, Aaliyah?
>> One thing >> that'll happen like somebody will be like, "Oh, this happened." They like, "See, cuz they inherently evil." I'm like, "God damn, bro. Everything."
I think it was one conversation that like one of the wives like passed gas and they like, "Come on, cuz that's what I'm talking about." I'm like, "Holy shit." Pun intended. I guess >> that's what I'm saying. She in she she evil because she ped in front of you on on her way out the door.
>> I ain't going to lie. That is >> you know what I'm saying on her way out the door to try and not p in front of you. She she's still evil because you know what I'm saying when she was walking out she stepped too hard and you know it it not evil but that I hate that [ __ ] though. That that should be illegal.
No, that's what I'm saying. Like that's why I said so is it still bad though who's in Discord of course it's like on some third shift shift on some third shift stuff. I was just like so what if she on her way out the door because she know like it got to run >> and you know what I'm saying and she let one go anyway like is that >> you got accident like is that bad?
>> Yes. That's horrible. She got to squeeze.
>> That's my thing is you shouldn't even have to squeeze. Like if you even feel it even in the slightest, just remove yourself. So you don't even have to squeeze.
>> No, that's what I'm saying. She was on her way out the door >> and just that one step before she left.
You know what I'm saying? Before she was completely gone, that one step the thing now. Here it >> was an accident. But you know that's evil.
>> Here's a perfect example. We telling y'all something. Why is there a fight?
Do not pass gas. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what you're gonna do.
Just don't do it. That's it.
>> But why aren't you understanding that she was trying to remove herself?
>> You see what I'm saying? We got to make all No, that [ __ ] is terrible. That's f Yo, bro. No, you just get out the room.
>> Yes, she was. She's on her way out the room.
>> See, and women are inherently evil.
That's when it'll come right after.
>> But this is not even an evil thing. This is the thing. Why we got to argue with you about this? You knew you just wanted to see the last two minutes of the show.
You knew you had to pass gas 2 minutes before that. Leave.
>> Yeah, like I said on the way out the door.
>> Cali, you're not again. You're not leaving.
>> Y'all just just completely dismissing the fact that she's trying to appease you because you don't want in front of you all kind of stuff like that. See what I'm saying? And now we Yeah, >> we cannot make any progress like this.
Akira, >> she knew she had to pass gas. She know that. make me look she got up.
>> She know that make me look at her differently. And yet she had the lot the last two minutes of the symptoms. Bro, you're not missing that much. Everything inserting that in there.
>> Well, because No, you're inserting.
>> Well, Cali, cuz we also, we also know how gas works, right? We, you know, we pass gas, too. So, it's not something that you have a monopoly on. I can see if it was like a period or something, but it's passing gas. We know people wait till the last minute. They try to say, "Damn, I don't feel like going to the All types of stuff." Nah, go. Bye.
>> Yeah. And like I said, she's on her way out the door >> because she feel it coming.
We not We not fighting it. She's literally >> five steps away from the door. It don't matter is the point.
>> Exactly. It ain't, like I said, it ain't going to matter whether or not she trying to appease him or not. If she poop, she inherently evil. Even if she's trying to appease and you want to insert all this other stuff, you felt that five minutes ago. Well, yeah, probably I didn't. That's why on my way out the dag on door, but whatever. You know what I'm saying? Inherently evil. Let's just go.
>> Why do you get to Why do you Why do you get to fail?
Why do I have to accept that?
See, cuz we take this we take this this and I'm telling you, this is what we do to the people that we with. The things they ask for, they start to get on the back burner. we start to get stagnant with each other. We stopped dating each other. All these things, right? You would never pass gas in front of me in week two, right? You would never come to my house looking like who shot John in month one. But then when we get so comfortable, we start to we start to do these things and we say, "Oh, okay.
Well, I try." Nah, why don't you do it?
But nah, let's go ahead and get fat together so we can be less attracted to each other. Yeah, let's just take each other for granted. Yeah, let's stop dating each other. No, the gas is in the same realm. Don't come Don't come kissing me where you had opportunity to brush your teeth but you didn't.
>> But we treat each other like oh I'm used to this [ __ ] >> Yeah. No, that's not what I'm saying.
You're inserting that.
>> No, that is a part of the equation. I'm telling you.
>> See, we not thinking like this. We thinking, "Yeah, I've been with this [ __ ] six years. I can I can fart." Why?
If it was a new [ __ ] you wouldn't be farting.
If she thought she could fart, she wouldn't be leaving the room.
>> Okay. So, she failed.
>> One thing I can say is when I was younger, I thought my mom was an alien, right? Cuz I never I never heard her pass gas. I never heard I I never even seen her come from the I I wouldn't even known she went into the bathroom and took a you know a number two. I I truly thought she was an alien cuz I never experienced it. So I think that's how it should be.
Like it it should definitely be like that man. Please look. All right. So you know what I'm saying? My mama walked on clouds, right? But I know darn well that I done smelt her poop in the hallway on the way to the bathroom.
>> Your mom my mom or my dad. That's what I'm saying. You don't know.
>> No, you you you saw your mom go down the hallway. Your daddy's still sitting down. You know it was your mama. Okay.
I'm saying you didn't walk you didn't walked into that was you know what I'm saying? And this the thing this this another thing right that I think that we get admonished for is poor etiquette.
We might have the worst etiquette.
Cali saying oh I tried. Come on man stop.
>> I remember see y that's why everybody need to play football. So a care right they run a route. They run a >> they run a five and out, right?
>> Right.
>> But they like, "Coaches, this [ __ ] ain't gonna work." Right. I'm like, "Just try it." But this [ __ ] jogs the five and out. Right. I throw the ball, it gets intercepted. You know why? Because he put no effort into it. Of course, it's not going to work. You see? But if you run it hard, the ball's there. Boom. We good. But you sabotaged it. Nobody care about you going through the motions. Get your $6 ass out the room if you got to pass gas. Simple as that.
>> Yeah. And what what you're failing to acknowledge is that she's she's leaving the room.
>> She didn't make it out. You want to You want to praise mediocrity. You never play football.
>> I'm not. No. No. See? Uh-uh. I'm not.
>> If she So, what he's saying is if she was really if she really gave a damn, >> she would have made it out the room before she passed. if she really cared enough.
>> Exactly.
>> But just just >> just because you put in the effort to do it don't mean you actually put your all into it.
>> Yeah.
>> You you your ass could have made it out before that damn far slipped out. If you really wanted to, you would have you would have made your your walk a little quicker. In my in my expediency, I stepped too hard one time and the silent one came out. That's what I'm saying.
Like but but that's evil though. All right. Got it.
>> It's not evil. It's It's borderline disrespectful.
>> Yo, it's crazy. Yo, you could have dove anything. You just farted. It's crazy.
>> Dove. Do a barrel roll.
>> I thought you said you was making effort.
See, >> what's up? What's up?
>> Yeah, you asking for that to come out.
You doing a barrel roll?
>> I'm saying dive, bro. Dive. Get it out the room. But nah, let's take the dude I've been with that I literally share my white my my life with for granted. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Start in front of that [ __ ] that I love to death and then a new [ __ ] get all this special treatment. That [ __ ] crazy.
Makes sense.
>> No.
>> No. You got you got to qu you have to substantiate how how don't we do that?
We stop dating. We get chubby on each other. All the things I'm bugging.
>> True. True. Come on, man. But you think you going right?
>> Come on, man. But Kira, she going to be blowing the room up. What?
>> Come on, bro.
>> Nobody said she was blowing the room.
See, >> Cali, you you pass gas in front of your man.
>> [ __ ] no.
>> I was about to say I can't I >> But hey, but look, let me tell you. If you open up that door, all right, it may be wafting right there. All right.
>> You don't even know when I take >> cuz I ain't make it all the way to the bathroom in my expediency.
>> Spray in the bathroom. The windows open, the water's running. Like never know >> how how look how you going to spray the hallway if you in the bathroom. How you going to spray the hallway?
>> Cali got excuse for everything, man. Yo, man. Listen, >> I don't know. Cali coming up with some with some offthe-wall [ __ ] today.
>> That That is Oh, that is so hot off the wall. I'm talking about some real [ __ ] >> Callie got on my if I'm on my way to the bathroom and I'm in the bathroom, right?
Because this is this is this is this is this is this it's happening now. Okay.
How am I spraying the hallway? If he walk out if he walks out of the room and want to do this, drink, >> how can I spray the hallway into your diet, right? It depends on what you eating. Why are you eating stuff that makes you like >> I eat the same [ __ ] >> Yo, man. One yo yo yo. Even MCV says, "What about when they I don't Yo, bro. I think once my wife I I woke her up. I'm like, "Yo, you got to get Yo, you got to get up out of here, man. I'm not I hate that [ __ ] bro. Cuz you It's your like Like if y'all pass gas in front of us, it's like you smell like that for a week.
Like, you know what I'm saying?
>> Like, you know, you >> in my Mr. Mermaid voice, evil."
>> You know what I'm saying? You know, you got somebody like, you know, somebody who be musty. You ever know somebody who always musty? When you see them, you assume they musty, right?
>> Facts.
>> Every single time.
>> Yeah. Like, yo, >> I was about to.
>> Little boys are inherently evil. They be musty.
>> Cali, did y'all bad today, man?
>> Stressing me out.
>> No, I'm not. No.
Pass gas, man. Don't don't don't >> don't don't be expecting no no no no no no no no foreplay and rightfully so.
>> Right now, Grist, don't expect none of that. Ain't nobody going down there. You passing gas. Heck no.
Y don't man. So, >> let me ask you a question. Right.
>> Get crazy, but y'all know exactly what I'm saying. Oh, man.
>> Yeah.
>> Let me ask you a question. So, all right. So, and so you in the bathroom, right? Because you know bathrooms now they got like water closets, right? And people still have access to the rest of the bathroom.
>> Oh, Lord.
>> Is that inherently evil that he hears you in the bathroom cuz he and he walks in to access the rest of the bathroom?
Is that inherently evil? Cuz now you hear me [ __ ] >> Wait, wait. He hearing you like you you grunting. Wait, you grunting? You you >> Yeah, I got the door closed. I'm in the water closet.
>> Wait, you grunting like you like like you straining?
>> Yeah, I'm in the water closet. Door closed, fan on, and he come in the bathroom to access the rest of the bathroom.
>> But what was what is he hearing?
That signifies >> he hearing all the poops and goddamn >> that [ __ ] Is that inherently evil? I didn't tell him to come to the bathroom.
You know, I came in here.
>> All right. All right. I feel like that's No, that's evil to me because why are you even in the bathroom banging on the wall? Get that [ __ ] out.
>> Ain't nobody banging on the wall. That's what I'm saying. There's a wall >> exaggeration. But you grunting and you like like why you even like that in the bathroom though.
>> Cuz I'm taking a [ __ ] >> You never heard of the You never heard of the the >> Why do I have >> You put your legs up. You put your legs up. I'm in I'm in the water closet. No, I'm in the water closet with the door closed and the fan on and you decide to come in the bathroom while I'm taking the [ __ ] >> All right.
>> Now I can't make noise because you came in the bathroom.
>> You came in here where I'm at.
>> Stressing me out, >> man.
>> You came Look, you came in here where I'm at.
>> I removed myself. No, but >> you came where I am.
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>> Girls can't [ __ ] now. That's evil if you take a [ __ ] >> That's a fact. Yo, my um my father said he ain't seen my mom go to the marathon in like 25 years, so it can't be done.
>> They have water closets back then.
>> No, he said he didn't see her for 20 since 25 years.
>> Exactly. They didn't have water closets.
>> What does that mean?
Meaning, >> what is it?
>> I don't really care. It's too long.
Don't worry about it.
>> You You don't know what a water closet is?
>> Uh, it's like a bathroom that's separate from the rest of the bathroom.
>> Uh, toilet separate from the rest of the bathroom.
>> Separate.
>> Yeah, >> Suncase with the $5 says, "Shalom.
Shalom. Shalom. Shalom. Shalom. What's popping? Good to see you." MC Heavy Tips with the $5 says, "Does it count if I sneeze and fart? I didn't even know it was in the chamber." Yes, it counts.
There's no quarter.
>> So, you can't cough now. There's no quarter. There's no quarter for farting women.
>> Okay.
>> Double cough face.
>> Man, >> don't cough.
>> John with a fight says he chill. We all have it.
John with a f is for the goal. My OG Congo English in the building.
Discerning spirit. Savannah. No doubt.
>> Oh, thank you. Oniku with the $2 says, "Their ancestors spoke to do spoke to the devil." So do Jesus Christ. Let me see. Anika with the final says, "Woes don't value vows.
Pretty evil and leveraging children is evil. And considering the failing mental health of women, you have to expect evil." Arnold says, "Licking a sucker is evil."
D man a great with a $2 says Aaliyah do you think women see men as human beings?
H.
>> Yes or no?
>> Based on >> No.
>> Jesus Christ. MC Heavy Tis with the $10 says, "Hello to the beautiful panel and chat." What's up? Dub the great with the $2 says, "Some women have a subscription to the clinic."
M m.
>> Not if 80% of abortions is only the first time. They've only had one. 80% of women who've had abortions have only had one. So, miss me with that.
>> No.
>> All right. Daily with a $2 says, "Bounties on for public pters." For sure.
For sure.
Damn, man. Interesting. Interesting.
Crista, man. Great to see you, man. Any final thoughts.
>> Everybody just stay encouraged. Stay encouraged. And um I just got so many reasons to be grateful. So y'all go check out my album if you haven't heard it. It's out now. It's called Truth Be Told. And I have a huge catalog. So if you Google my name, everything will pull up. So if y'all can support me in that, I'd appreciate it.
>> Yes, ma'am. 100%, man. We'll also drop it in the Discord. So, oh matter of fact, um we have a music knock move.
We have a music room. Maybe we'll we'll we'll play it one of the mornings.
Um so, it' be good, man. Aaliyah, you >> does Christian music, right? We can play on a Sunday morning or something.
>> Well, actually, it's R&B soul um music.
>> Okay.
>> It's it's really I'm I'm talking about my life experience and journey in Christ. So, I'm talking about relationships and just what I think, you know, the Lord may be saying in a in a cool way or maybe what I've experienced.
Um, yeah, >> let me know because I was on my R&B kick this morning in the music room.
>> So, uh, I'mma drop my IG in the chat.
Uh, send me your Spotify late and I'll play it um, Thursday morning for sure.
>> Awesome.
>> Aliyah, >> um, I think this was a good show. I think it was a productive conversation.
Um, women aren't inherently evil, but I think we do have some work to do looking in the mirror. Um, taking some accountability so we are able to move forward as women in society.
Um, and just to revise my last answer, I think there's a subset of women that don't see men as human.
I think that's a better answer.
>> Okay.
And Kira, what you think, man?
>> Um, we had a great conversation. I I learned a lot of stuff. I ain't going to lie. I learned a lot. Um, in that short time, I feel like, you know, of course, we, like Aaliyah said, we have a lot of work to do as a community of women and hopefully we can get it together, but if not, you know, selfwork is always the best work. So, I enjoyed tonight's conversation.
>> Indeed, Cali.
>> Yeah. Um, just because you want to play the tip for tat game or whatever does not absolve you of any accountability in what it is that you're doing. So you will feel much more vindicated and much more uh better about yourself if you cannot be implicated in whatever the downfall is. And that goes across the board, right? Like I've been fired from a job, right? But I felt so much better about being fired from that job because I did not implicate anybody else in what was the actual problem. I took accountability for what it was that I was doing.
Makes sense. Makes sense for sure. Yeah.
I think um we have to do a part two on this, right? We have to get through a few of these things to really see where we stand in regards to, you know, the tropes and the the negative, you know, and is it justifiable for black women to continue to say all the things, right?
I'm the least protected, least this, least that, most this, most that. Right?
We really need to work through them to see if there's merit or it needs to be questioned or reassessed, right? Because I'm telling you, man, shout out to my OG Sean cuz he the first one I hear say it.
Like 70% women initiate 70% of divorces.
And he's like, "So that doesn't just automatically mean that they're at fault, you know?" when you really start to try to dive into it and you mix you put the quantitative up there with the qualitative information, that's how you get a real answer, you know? So, I just want us to kind of work through it slowly but surely to see what we come up with, you know? And if there's stuff that we have to work on, so be it, right? But let's work through it, mind it out, and then pinpoint it.
Know what I'm saying? So, first one we got through, farting won't be tolerated.
Okay.
There's no quarter for farting. Okay.
So, make her sleep on the couch, fellas.
Don't allow that [ __ ] I mean, so yeah, man. And keep dating. Goddamn it. All right. I will see y'all tomorrow.
>> Your spouse.
>> Indeed. I will see y'all tomorrow.
Uh, I think I'm gonna do my call-in show, but I might have to work one of the jobs. I got a couple call outs, so we'll see. But definitely tomorrow night, man.
>> Hey. Hey. When we doing the other when we doing the y'all want to get saucy again?
>> I want to be the first one to ask. I ain't want to be a fiend. I'm so glad she asked.
>> Maybe we'll do it tomorrow night, man.
I'll put I'll put a poll up on the um community board. Hey Cal, if you remember, can you put a a poll up on the community post? Um, and we'll see.
>> See you, Lee. I got your back.
>> We'll see if we can >> What's the poll? I'll put it up in the morning >> if they want to do the uh talk or drink show again.
>> That's a bet.
>> So, 9 a.m. tomorrow. Look out for the >> I told my boyfriend I told my boyfriend I told him I told you his name >> and and he was like, "You shouldn't even have told him that." Why?
>> And then I was like, I told him your whole name and he was like, you see, you know, that's where it messes up.
>> Why? Why he say that though?
>> Cuz he know his name.
So he's like he's like everybody has that reaction. So it's just like >> Yeah. I was >> I was like, damn, man. He got the the in deep name. You know what I'm saying?
So >> he was manifest like they manifested his life I guess with his name >> or >> I think he embodies his name.
>> Oh well that's >> his first name. Now the second name feel like it's a stretch >> or Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. But it is cool though. I like the I like the I like the energy in it. Right. I understand what they was trying to convey. So it's cool. Oh, I was supposed to do followership. Okay. We'll see.
We'll put the poll up. We'll put both of those. Should we do the followership conversation or should we do the >> talk or drink? So, uh, we'll figure that out. Mind that out. Most high willing. I will see y'all tomorrow sometime.
>> I love y'all. I appreciate y'all. My bad. My camera died. Jump in the Discord. Have some fun. Get your tickets to Houston. Houston about to go crazy.
Be safe and do the right thing, man.
Like, share, subscribe.
>> Tell a friend to tell a friend.
>> Tell a friend to >> And we out.
>> Peace. Well, we we can kill we can kill all this. We can kill all this.
>> Say like, "Do you want to be next?"
>> Anytime you ready, baby. I was supposed to be there.
>> We can We can We can do >> knocks out everybody and no one can whoop him. That's when that little Cashless Clay from Louisville, Kentucky came up and stopped Sunonny Leon, the man who annihilated Floyd Patterson twice. He was going to kill me. He hit harder than George. His reach was longer than George. He's better than George.
And I'm better now than I was when you saw that 22-year-old underdeveloped kid running from Sun. I'm experienced now, especially Charles been broke, been lost, knocked down a [ __ ] path. Bad.
Been chopping trees. I done something new for this fight. I done rrestled with an alligator.
That's right. I have rrestled with an alligator. I done tussled with a whale.
I done handcuffed lightning. Throw thunder in bed. That's bad. Only last week I murdered a rob hospitalized a brick. I'm so mean I make medicine sick. Bad dude.
Fast fast. Fast. Last night I cut the light off in my bedroom. Hit the switch.
Was in the bed before the room was dark.
Incredible.
>> Fast. And you, George Fman, all of you chunks are going to bow when I whoop him. All of you. I know you got it. I know you got him, dick. But the man's in trouble. I'm going to show you how great I am.
Eyes up.
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