This video explores the concept of 'pro-black fatigue' and argues that African development requires critically examining ancestral wisdom rather than simply romanticizing it. The speakers discuss how African societies historically developed sophisticated systems (like the Toguna meeting place in Mali) that were optimized for their specific environmental and social contexts, but that these same adaptations may not be suitable for modern challenges like Western imperialism. The key insight is that African progress requires balancing cultural authenticity with practical optimization, learning from both ancestral knowledge and global innovations while maintaining a grounded, critical approach to cultural identity.
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>> So, we did it again.
>> What's up, family?
>> Since we having a message to my black boys.
>> Hope you guys are well.
>> Long time no see. It's been a while since I uh I streamed. Um hope you guys have been well. Um somebody actually asked me about it the other day, like why haven't you been on YouTube? And to be frank, I've I've been I've been uninspired, right? Um, I think the black male female uh relationship conversation in the way that we've been having it um has been has been unproductive generally. Um, so you know, I've been trying to think of how to introduce new levels of depth, new levels of consideration uh for that conversation, but generally the black conversation. And that's along the lines of the uh the conversation I'm going to have tonight with uh my guest or this afternoon, if you will. Um, but yeah, I appreciate you guys pulling up.
uh EP said he said for you to be Niga, you be on CP Tom. Ironically, we're going to talk about that a little bit.
That that's that's one of the subtopics that I want to address. But um you know, my apologies. We had some technical issues that had to uh push things back a bit uh just to accommodate our guest and the conversation that we're having uh today. But yeah, see CP time, African time is is is part of part of this conversation. I I'll explain why. But uh for the 80 of you guys watching, uh thank you for watching. Um I'll try to make it worth your time. We'll try to make it worth your time. Uh in the meantime, please hit that like button.
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Um, check out some of our other content if this is your first time watching as well. Um, my update on family life. Uh, you know, everything is everything, man. I'm I'm good. My daughter's good. Um, yeah. Th things are good. Things are good right now. Um, obviously it's summer time, so I'm trying to find ways to keep her busy, to keep her learning and happy and all that good stuff. So, things are good. Appreciate you asking, man.
Um, but yeah, if you're watching, um, before we pull our guest up, um, talk to me. How have you guys been? What have you been working on? What have you been doing? uh what about this title or this thumbnail, excuse me, stood out to you or or is there is there a topic associated with this general premise that you want us to touch on? Um feel free to put it in the chat.
But yeah, we we've got a lot to cover.
Um we'll be diving more into my theory of pro black fatigue.
um trying to elaborate on that, trying to explore that a little bit more. The brother that I'm bringing on um he is pretty well known on on social media. Uh he goes by the name Olua Fresh Out. The Nigerian audience will probably know him a lot better. Um but he's been gaining a lot of steam. And ironically, this this meeting or the this meeting of the minds happened organically. I commented on a clip that I'll play which he also had previously commented on and then we we started having a conversation. We're like, "Yo, let's let's have this conversation on stream." So, you know, organically we kind of put it together and this is what you have here. So, um make sure to, you know, follow him on Instagram, follow him. I have him tagged on YouTube as well if you're watching on YouTube. uh the smart brother. He he uses the comedic angle to make really interesting points about, you know, uh the African diaspora, about women, about, you know, a host of things. So, yeah, definitely check him out. Let me read a few of these comments and I'll bring them up.
All right, so Malik says, "I think we need to get back to the fundamentals. Intention, education, decorum, character." Absolutely.
Uh, Chaos Rainy says, "What's good?"
What's good, brother? Hope you guys are well. All right, without further ado, I don't want to waste any more of you guys' time. Let me get my There we go.
Yeah, bring up the good brother Lua Fresh Out. How you doing, man?
Can you hear me, bro? Can you hear me?
All right. Seems like the technical issues are getting us again. Somebody doesn't want us to have this conversation, but we will. We will. While um while our guest figures that out, um I just want to give a brief overview slash like recap, right? So, the last few streams, if you go to the homepage of of our YouTube channel and you click on the live tab, the last few streams have been touching on or talking about the topic of pro black fatigue, right? So, we've probably all heard the phrase black fatigue, right? Seeing, you know, black folks do black folks things and being tired of it. You know, white people use the phrase a lot when they deal with um ghetto black people and black folks use the phrase when they make the distinction between you got black people and then you got nwords, right?
The phrase, as I've been using it, pro blackack fatigue is an attempt at least to explore some of the ways that our pro black posture might be flawed, right? some of the ways that we are, as as I've put it in the past, we give white people too much credit.
And rather than confronting some of our more problematic or some more problematic aspects of our um nature, our culture, we would rather just like externalize it and say white people did this, white people did that. So, I'm really interested in exploring some of the ways that we have facilitated and we continue to maintain our dysfunction and how and what we would need to change to um to move in a better direction. All right, so let's see if we can bring up our guest again.
All right, comet. Hope you're well, man.
Appreciate it.
All right, we're going to try it again.
bring it up to the stage our guest Olua Fresh Out.
>> Can you hear me?
>> I can. I can.
>> You hear me?
>> Yes, sir.
>> Yes, sir. About that. I'm not sure what's going on, but it's it's kind of >> Oh, man. Technology doesn't work when you want it to. Um, yeah. Hopefully hopefully the brother figures it out.
We're we're in two different time zones, so that's probably part of the issue.
Um, but yeah. So, let me do this just to get things moving and then he'll he'll join us when he can. So, I'll play I'll play the video where we kind of, you know, uh, met, if you will, and and I'll give my thoughts. I I'll give my kind of recap of the the point as I understood it and then we'll um we'll go from there.
Take a look at this strange little structure.
>> Oh my god, what is that?
>> At first glance, some people might call it primitive. I might call it primitive.
small, crude, maybe even underdeveloped.
But what if I told you this building reveals a sophisticated understanding of human psychology that many of us in the modern day struggle with. This is called the Toguna, built by the Dogen people of Mali. It was a meeting place where elders gathered to settle disputes and discuss important matters. But here's the genius part. The roof was intentionally built extremely low. Why?
Because if tempers rose during an argument, nobody could suddenly jump up in anger.
The architecture itself slowed conflict down. It forced people to remain seated, to remain calm, and continue speaking and continue with the discussions. Now, think about how fascinating that is. A building designed not just for shelter but for emotional regulation. And there's something else worth noticing inside the toa. There is no towering throne sitting above everyone else. No high table where one man literally looks down on the others like peasants.
The structure itself encourages discussions rather than domination.
Equality of posture. equality of perspective.
And honestly, this is one of the things that fascinates me about many pre-colonial African societies.
Intelligence was often embedded into systems, customs, and spaces in ways many modern people no longer recognize.
What looks simple and primitive at first glance sometimes hides a much deeper sophistication. So let no one clown you about the simplicity of our ancestors.
And as always, history speaks. Take a look at this strange.
All right, brother.
Can you hear us? Can you hear me?
Uh, all right. Go ahead. Can you hear me?
>> So, you muted me. Well, yeah, I can hear you now. Can you hear me?
>> Yep, I can hear you. Perfect. Perfect.
Perfect. Um, so you know, like I said during the uh I guess my pre pre- rant, um, we we kind of met on this video, right? So before I give my thoughts um >> first of all like introduce yourself uh for those who don't know you >> and then talk a little bit about like your angle or your position with the um you know the the video and and what it kind of introduces to discourse around Africa.
All right. So, Olua Fresh Outs, I am a, you know, I'm a comedian. That's the thing, right? And I kind of use comedy to, like you said, introduced some very interesting discourse.
Uh, so because of that, I have been introducing some dating topics. Uh, you can check me out the lure fresh outs at the lure fresh out. I'm on Tik Tok and Instagram. serious but not the serious is my podcast but uh I've paused on that a little bit but I have some of the clips on YouTube if you guys want to check it out. Um and then I also you know my what I would say my side hustle which is actually my main hustle is I s AI and um that's what I do. Um as a result I also have a school and it touches on this particular topic which is why I was you know very very interested in opining on this as well.
Uh so are you there?
>> Yeah yeah I'm here.
>> Hello.
>> Okay >> I'm here. So the reason why the reason why this resonated um and then I commented right I follow that guy he follows me too as well. Uh is the the word primitive right primitive and sophistry are two separate things.
Primitive is trying to encapsulate like a lack of complexity in putting stuff together, right? Which you cannot actually successfully claim that the the ancestors, those guys actually did not put that ination, right? the the hot for the meeting right has some I don't know if I don't know what you do or what you used to do so I'm an engineer or I used to be an engineer I'm architect right you you would have a requirements gathering you would gather requirements and then you would start to you know design before you actually build primitive it's a thing cannot be said to primitive if it considers at least five requirements that it hopes to meet. And no matter the technology or the tools that you use to achieve whatever you achieve, if something complicated comes in the future and it can start off from that thing that people call primitive and modify it but not necessarily add on top of it but modify those components, right? then the initial stage cannot be said to be primitive. Right? Which is why I was going at that at that that was that was the angle I was looking at. But it's not just my own thought process.
It's it's this is the idea of sociologist and anthropologist, right? Primitive would be something where primitive and basic are kind of like similar where it's kind of like I did not put too much thought into this. I did not put a lot of variables into it and I just put it two functions or two functions. Right? In that particular case, not only were they thinking about a meeting place but about conflict resolution and they were thinking about of the people the average height of the internet that design. had to consider the ventilation of the main ways because air has to go in through hot and something thicker and also entry and exits right if people were to start fighting the first. So those those are not considerations. Those are things that if you if Africa were to develop the way that it should develop, you develop along those routes. you don't just bring technology and just throw away that thing and just replace it which is what we've done and that's why we're struggling right with so many other things. So that's the angle that I was I was talking about. I'll just I'll just stop there and what and see what you have to say about that.
>> Yeah. Um for sure. I I think you know so I got a lot of backlash on my on my comment because my comment was it is still primitive and you know I think a lot of people assumed that I was like you know coming from a anti-lack or self-hating perspective or a eurosentric or white supremacist perspective but really where I was coming from was I think I think often I'll put it like this. I don't know if you've seen those clips of um Kendrick Lamar fans when they're like trying to dissect his lyrics and sometimes they'll put meaning on top of his lyrics that he might not have even meant because they're thinking about it too far. you know, when he said knick-knack pattywhack, Nick was, you know, 18th century man who uh blah. And I think unfortunately we introduce a lot of like pseudo intellectualism when we are critiquing or when we're looking at um African history and Africanity in general. And because of that, we find it very hard to be intellectually critical of ourselves.
Right? So when I use the word uh primitive, I know it has a connotation and a denotation. I was talking about the denotation, not the connotation because you know it's got a negative connotation. But primitive literally means something belonging to the beginning origin or the earliest stage of development.
And I think a lot of people assume that by me saying it's still primitive that I'm denying the thoughtfulness. um denying the intelligence behind the design, the forethought, etc., etc. And that wasn't that wasn't the case. But I think for me, what's what's more interesting um than, you know, me calling it primitive was people's reflex to um take offense and become defensive.
And that's kind of what I want to I want to explore. I think one of the symptoms of our of our plight as black folks is I think we've become almost like a girl who no longer knows how to hear anything constructive or any criticism because her ex-boyfriend used to call her fat, but now she won't even hear when you say she's got, you know, she's got broccoli in her teeth. And I think we've become overly sensitive to to things that would be for our betterment.
>> Um, so yeah, I think I think so too. Um, I would have actually felt the same way those guys felt if I did not know you and watch some of your videos and see >> and see you as a thinking person. Right.
So, >> sure. I started to think maybe there was more to the critic than just like cuz anybody else who was saying is still primitive is would be from another school of thought that I think right >> um and a lot of the people who push back on some of this type of things that you that or like the comments they're not people who read a lot right so it's not they're not they're not people who are open-minded right I am open-minded and I I've read enough to understand that those technologies or those the the technology was primitive.
The technique was not primitive. And even in the most advanced that is set up for similar purposes.
They don't do more than what those guys did, but they layer in more technology, right? and give the impression the there's an impression that is but think about it this way we now have I go back to computers because computers are a very good analogy right >> you have a computer I'm looking at you at a computer right and the computer has a CPU and it has a RAM and it has a disk storage right so those are the three components and then networking stuff the the the the the most functional unit of a computer, the the nothing else has been discovered since the 1940s. There's no new thing.
>> Every other thing that has been layered on the computer has been processing speed, more memory, more storage.
You get what I'm saying? That's why the smartest guys computer science were still the guys back in the day because the the breakthrough was not technology.
The breakthrough was technique.
>> And when you go back to those guys, they go back to 200 years ago before they could see any real progress in breakthroughs and techniques. Everything else is just triple Xing what has already been done.
And that is why in Europe for Europe had about 1,400 years of just gallivant and the whole just doing nothing basically, right? For them to actually get the Renaissance period, what was the key? They had to go back to Socrates and Aristotle which were in the Mediterranean. They're not even close to the Western Europe sites that we know.
They had to go back there. Why? because they have to acknowledge something.
We are dumber. We are dumber than our ancestors. We think that we're smarter than our ancestors because we have tools. But you forget that tools are supposed to help you to think. So you're outsourcing you. I I build I will build a better product than my ancestors. But my an I can never be more than my ancestor. I can never be wiser because I have tools to help me to build it. AI that's what's going to happen in a couple years. We're going to have people get dumb dumb with more refined technology, right? But when the the essence of going back to the architectures of the old from that type of from that type of era is wisdom on fundamentals and those fundamentals are not primitive. The things that are primitive are the tools that used to >> there a lot of knowledge a lot of wisdom in studying ancient art even if it's just hot and stuff there's a lot of wisdom we push them aside because impressed with tools we're not that's why a lot of I don't you if you work in corporate 80% of everybody that you work with in corporate has degree bachelor's masters PhD and everybody is just stupid.
You know that thing because they have five meetings for something that could have been an email and they don't think they want you to spell out things for them. And these people have all those degrees, right? I tell you that if you go back to 10,000 years ago, people were dumb, but they did not know about the things they were talking about the theories, but the brains were working in ways that could deduce information. We don't we don't have any deductive capabilities.
People will tell you we're having progress because of 1% of people in the whole world. the rest of us are just doing process related work. Right? But back to this point, right? If you go back to African design of the ancestors, you'll see that these people had nothing else to do like like I tell you every era like 90% or so would be just be going about their day lives and they're not going to be thinking too much. So you go go back to the ancients, right? That's where you see some wisdom. And and these guys, you would see the wisdom, the things that they built, right? They build this things because they don't have tools to build. They think from environments and they're building the things that they build to suggest 100,000 years ago, the spirit of what they're trying to achieve. You were supposed to and bring the advanced tools that that you hopefully should have even been developing to just compute everything because it's your environment. It's humid. It'sical. It's one season all year round, right? And it has there's some constraints that exist in West Africa and Central Africa that don't exist in Europe. So you don't you don't expect them to build in that in the in the same ways. You're supposed to take that suggestions of the ancestors and complicate it and put sophistry on top.
What I'll argue with you, they were sophisticated, but they were not primitive. We were supposed to bring in the sophistication, right? Your point of saying that we're some some of the people who criticize you are too rigid. They're just like, oh yeah, that's the truth and that's they were doing this thing. No, they were not. They they they put things together things because they had nothing else to do but to think right but we were supposed to that right and develop not completely go outside and import that's the same the Chinese did any civilization that that's actually not trying to compete with western civilization did not just copy and paste That's not that's not how it is. If not the way that their their ideologies would be they have different ideas, you know, so you get the point I'm making.
>> Yeah, the the your line is breaking up slightly. Um, >> let me see.
>> Yeah. Yeah. The last like 30 seconds were kind of shaky.
>> Um, but I I'll I'll respond to what you what you said. feel free to like um drop down and come back if if it fixes it. Um >> all right.
>> I I I I I I generally like agree with you, right? I think um primitive does not mean unsophisticated, right?
And I also don't think that just because now we are more quote unquote sophisticated, it means we're better, more intelligent, or more capable than than our ancestors.
Um, however, I I think one of the one one of my critiques or I guess one of the points of pro blackness that has caused me fatigue is I think we we rest too heavily on our past glory, right? I I think when when I even thinking back at some of the things I've said in the past or when I listen to some quoteunquote pro black people, we almost sound like that kid who was really really good at basketball or football or soccer in high school and now he's an accountant still reliving, you know, you know, back in the day I could dunk between my legs and this this and that. instead of talking about what it is that went wrong in his life that that led him to not make it to the NBA or talking about some of the ways that he participated in the dysfunction that led him to turning to accounting. And that's the issue that I have. So a lot of times when we're talking about, you know, past African architecture, we're talking about it in a way where it's like, you know, the the the the the greatest thing that we should preserve or aspire to is African authenticity. Period. The greatest thing we should aspire to is to be as dissimilar to the Europeans and to the Asians. Period. And I think what ends up happening is instead of doing the critical thought that you just brought up like how can we optimize our architecture for our climate, how can we optimize our architecture for our people, we end up in this kind of per performative posture of how can we be as non-white as possible, how can we be as non-Asian as possible? And unfortunately, I think we start ascribing things that are just universally logical to Europeanness or to whiteness, right? So, as an example, when we're talking about like uh somebody earlier said that, you know, uh he brought up CP, you know, color people time or in Niger we call African time.
A lot of black people, especially pro blackack people, feel like the African concept of time and the flexibility that we use to to play with time, particularly on the continent, is somehow like inherent to us and or somehow authentic to us. And because of that, we can't confront how counterproductive it is. And instead we say black people think of time as fluid and Asians and white people think of time as as rigid and they are bound by time and they are you know uh slaves to time almost like we're better without acknowledging that looking at time as fluid is is counterproductive. It does. H how do you how do you create Somebody brought up a good point about like, you know, can you build a subway in Lagos?
Um and then he brought up the the question, can you build a subway using what would be considered authentic Africanity, including African time? Can you build a subway that leaves when everybody comes or leaves when the conductor feels like leaving? and can that be productive? And the answer is no. But a lot of times we're so fixated on we have to be authentic. We have to be ourselves. And I'll play some clips later on to drive home my point. Um that we >> I think that >> we rest on past glory.
>> Yeah, I think that you're correct. Which is why you can hear me now, right?
>> Yeah, I can hear you.
Yeah. Which is why what I advocate for is taking spirits, right? There's a couple of things that we had African that like you said, they're too rigid on them. But that is if you go and look at European history and Asian history like back in the day, they all had they came from there. So that means it's kind of like primitive.
It's just like basically that's what it is. That's primitive because there's a lot of things that we've progressed as a human race. We're all humans. We're all the same. That's we're just family that we're just different parts of the family. But but the thing that we need to be rigid with, right, are the the juice of the African authenticity. It's not whether we should or we could. It's basically you can't even progress if you don't do it. Because if you think about it, we've been trying to solve African problems.
Um, oh, let's build big, let's build, let's go build big roads. Your time thing is very very very uh those are those are time is a it's a physical constraint. Physics, those are universal laws, right? So, you cannot play culture with that. You're just bad at culturally. You need to fix it, right?
Right.
>> The things that I was talking about more so like are environmental constraints >> and then the things that the environment can can fine-tune your intelligence to its right a lot of people don't actually think about these things and scientists have started to look into it.
It has been said new research that you can als you can pass on trauma a little bit >> to generations right to some extent like there's some gene encoding that can happen.
It has been said that there's some experiences in your ancestors life that can actually be encoded in DNA and passed on. People don't understand the implications of this type of studies, right?
And now genetic research has gone into the depth of saying that if you're stuck, if your group is stuck in a place for thousands of years and your group has learned how to interact with that environment, they can pass on some advantages to you in that environment. They've seen it biologically where you have malaria resistance and all those things. there's behavioral things like pastor people don't really understand what this means.
It means that there's a pre it might be small changes. It might be that first two seconds of how you react to stuff but there's things that your ancestors has learned to do just based on being stuck in that environment that has been passed on to you just by virtue of that little one. It doesn't make sense if you don't take advantage of it and build in that direction. It's like trying to paddle a boat, but paddle it in the ocean against the waves. You will make progress. How much progress you make is dependent on whether you're going with the waves or without. We're swimming against the tide.
>> That's what we're doing. Trying to actually get uh some of like Europe has been a very beautifully progressive continent.
You can't there's nothing nobody can say about it. The Renaissance period is has introduced one of the fastest amount of changes in a short period of time up until this moment. There's no denying.
But a lot of people don't study history to see that there's actually a way there is a way that people from Europe that region actually are predisposed towards I'll give you an example.
Writing writing a lot of people people just came up with writing because they were intelligent. It's constraints that make people to write and one of the main constraints because writing the the the earliest form of writing came from that they know from cross river in Nigeria in cibi den. uh but they're still debating what if it was the first or if it's that Mesopotenian one but it's that's the reason but those are like uh I forgot what they call those type of writing but that's what I think so but the evolved type of writing where you're actually writing to put records and stuff came from storing um from the the need to actually record storage in Egypt grains and why was that need there it was it was there because they had seasons towards to uh after you go from Egypt to Canaan to place they had seasons the seasons they had a seasons of drought.
They had a season where nothing on. So you would have to actually get and then you would have to do a mental calculation on how much will be enough for the three months of outs and so you started having to write oh 1111 1111 it's need people evolve based on needs most time not not not necessarily intelligent the group actually is gears towards the needs so it was destined for a particular region of the world to develop riding systems at a faster rate than people who had one season rainy and dry season all through the year. There's nothing to record this. There's no need, you know, to to do all of these things. So now as people started to figure out these things, they started to learn there's a way of thinking that becomes the norm.
>> You individualism first. It was it's easier for some cultures to embrace that individualism because sometimes in cold climates, you don't go out to a meeting hall. There's no village hall. You have to be in the house because if you come to the village hall, you die of cold.
You get what I'm saying? In warmer climates, people come outside to chill.
It's not like the thing. But the thing about it, because they've been stuck with this way for a while, there's there's a tiny little favor towards that way, right? And the environment has not changed in some places but some environment big environmental changes have happened in some place that that allowed them or that made them to think again. Another one is war constant war and too many people stuck in one place.
War war breeds good technology.
The most waring kingdoms become the most centralized kingdoms. the most become the most technology advanced kingdoms because they have to get energy to annihilate their neighbors. The Africans were not that and then when when the Africans be this communal people, right? They develop wars were less likely to come into your and wipe everybody just because they were communal. They would kill like a whole lot of people, but killing everybody was not their thing. But some other folks could do that because they had the isolationist type of thing and the central. So a lot of people's stories are shaped by their environment and their climate and their their things more than we admit it. So if you are learning and you just want to learn without actually figuring out the things that you may have been predisposed to, you're just being stupid. What we've been doing all through the years.
You get what I'm saying? And the thing about it, the most confusing part of it is that you're going to actually progress. Just like you're paddling away from the waves, you're always going to make progress, but it's going to slower.
You're going to struggle. And that's why a lot of other countries struggle. Get the country that is trying to break out of that Ethiopia. Why? Ethiopia has a history.
>> I you cannot you >> go ahead. I'm sorry.
>> No, I'm saying you can't make real progress if consulting ancestors. You can't >> wait. You said Europeans had to go back.
You say you can't unless you consult.
>> Yeah. You cannot make real progress. You can make progress.
>> You can't make real if you don't consult your ancestors because ancestors have the most knowledge on how to deal with your environment.
You can make individual success when you leave the country and go and embed yourself in institutions that have already made it easy because we're all of us are only successful because of European institutions. Let's just be honest with you. We came here. They had blueprints. We follow the blueprint.
We're here. I'm talking about group success.
You get what I'm saying? Like the Chinese people that were here when China was having the highest amount of poor people in the world did not have pride until China started to be be great. Even the Chinese Americans now raising their because China is doing well. You get what I'm saying? So you can make some progress individually, but as a group, you have to go and consult your ancestors. the consulting the ancestors is not saying that your ways are superior is the juice like I don't know whether you guys have heard about I mean you probably heard but maybe the doctors in Europe there was one time European people on earth and it was a long time ago I mean it was a it was a long span of time I hope you guys understand this long span of time not like 100 200 is but be when it got time to get that progress they had to go back to they had to go back to I don't know whether you guys was going so they had to go way way back they had to go almost a thousand years back and they were able to go back because not because of what they were writing down But of what the Islamic age folks wrote down it's when Europe conquered those Islamic age they discovered text of the their basically the ancestors the the it is said that the the city of an is more organized than what we have now this 2000 this was before Jesus you get what I'm saying >> this was before Jesus Let me let me say this.
>> Yeah. Let let me let me let me say this.
Um >> one of one of my one of my favorite sayings is um you you can't know where you're going unless you know where you're coming from.
>> Um right. But another one of my favorite saying, so I I trade stocks part-time >> and uh a lot of a lot of like stock traders that they'll say, you know, how other people will say like, you know, history repeats itself.
>> In stock trading, they say history uh doesn't repeat, but it rhymes, right? Which means that, you know, things kind of happen in a cyclical way.
I I would say, you know, when people bring up the idea of like in order for us to move forward, we have to consult our ancestors.
I I struggle with that. I'll be honest.
I struggle with that only because to your point about how the African is has has created his civilization uh based on his needs, based on his climate, based on his community, etc. and how the European has created his civilization and what happened when those two people met.
I think that I think you could say that the wisdom of our ancestors, the optimizations of our ancestors were not were not well suited to deal with western imperialism that has optimized itself to your point for war, for conquest, for um exploitation.
And I think that if we overly rely on ancestral wisdom, we'll continue to simply be just the greatest victims uh of of human history. Because I think my issue again with pro blackness uh is that we often take this like position of moral or ethical superiority instead of everything that you talked about, right?
We have a warm climate. So to be outside in the meeting halls makes sense for the European. It doesn't. We would rather say we are more communal full stop than Europeans or than Asians. And because we are more communal, we are more ethical.
We don't want to kill everybody and eliminate people. We're just better people. So we'll just let them do their rubbish and we'll just sit back and be judged by by God or by Amada or whatever deity that we ascribe to. Which goes back to my point that I don't think we are allowing ourselves to be properly critical of our past and allowing ourselves to make the necessary changes and optimizations for our future.
>> Yeah. So we're not even we're not even So that's the first thing you got to understand. The people who are pro black all those pro black many pro black people are romantizing romanticizing that whole thing. They're not even doing the main thing. They're not going back and saying, "Okay, you know what? Okay, we we are Egyptians or whatever.
Nubians, right? You know, we were kings.
They fool stop there. That's blah blah blah." All this I don't I don't even I I believe that that whole stuff, but I don't really concern myself about the whole thing. When I do my research, I'm trying to figure out what used to happen in Nubia that used to happen in Kush Empire that now used to happen in the empire that used to happen here that tie them together. How can we take that system and take the truth out of the system?
That's why I said consult consult >> that you know what I'm saying? consult.
You go to the ancestors to get your core and you're supposed to build around the core.
>> If you don't do that, you're just going to be building. You're going to be patching doing patchwork. No matter how far you go into patchwork, it's always going to be patchwork because you don't have a center. The problem with Africa now is that the core is so for instance said the Europeans evolved for conquest and all those things when they came it was bound that they would come. was bound that they were attack. That's what people don't understand. All of these things were the only thing that happened that was an anomaly was the fact that the you know slave trade and permanent slavery for like a particular race but the conquest was bound to happen. Now what so they were always bound to have more better tools to attack him because they were always fighting. They had more experience in fighting, right? They came to get all the things. So the conquest was bound to happen when it happened, right? If you had That's why I say a lot of pro pro black people don't have that superior thing that you say they have.
They don't have it. They have defensive superiority.
>> You get what I'm saying? They have defensive superiority. You only think you're super if you truly truly truly truly believe that your ways were superior and you're able to explain that superiority that none of them can explain it.
>> They can't explain it. Have a conversation with them or do you think this is superior to this or stuff like that. So they just say superior because they read something from line here and here, right? But there there's a couple of African things, African cultural stuff that is actually superior just not because the is the smartest people that were there at that time just because of the conditions that they had to deal with that were more and more frequent than what other people had to do. They became better at it.
>> But they on what these things are to get that feeling right. So that the feeling doesn't just mean oh we was we're kings here this one that notidence based on what I have learned and what I've been able to compare with you know and that thing has made a lot of black people don't a lot of black people who claim they have proud and proud black they're not actually proud they're just defensive proud there's a difference between defensive proud and offensive proud and pride that is linked to something that you know a lot of people are us proud based on you know we've been you know attacked for so long we need to be proud but a lot of people are not tying our pride to systems >> because they write off and the main reason of this is that you a lot of people have not really actually even let's be real like a lot of people have not gone to read up on African architecture >> historical African architecture that's the first thing so you can't really say that whether they are primitive or not.
First thing you have not even gone to check.
Nobody has done a deep dive on the stories that Africans used to tell their kids in the village and compare with the stories that somebody in Norway that used to tell their kids and look at the archetypes and look at the story arcs and look at the morals that they're trying to teach and look at the morals that these people are trying to teach and do a comparison and see what was going on. Nobody's act people actually some people have done that particular one right there that's this guy I forgot his name but they've done it but nobody really has nobody the pro black people don't respect Africa that much to go to that level of detail and go down there they just like pro black pro black pro black and that's why that's why they design so differently I mean they they kind of like okay a government a governor comes on to a village, right? And all of a sudden the the first two projects he wants to do, he wants to connect, he wants to do a road to connect to the next village, that's a good thing, you know, but is that development? Development is you map the needs of the villagers first. If they're always going to the stream to get water and water the stream is right there and the main thing is that they spend two hours to go get the stream and they get two hours to go get the market.
then you should really and then that's where they get most of their daily bread and then the output you know they they usually don't have they have maybe two lorries but the lorries are not usually full right so the main thing now is to go and pave tiny little roads to the stream and give people the means to get bicycles so they can load their small motor and get to the stream and easily connect the stream to the market, right?
And that's a development that is it doesn't push the roads away permanently, but it deprioritizes that big road and it does the little inroads in there.
What is doing that's the African way, but it's not you're not choosing African versus European. You're just pri prioritizing based on context and needs.
So, a lot of pro brown people will be like, "Oh, you know what? Let's just go back to the African way." I was like, "No, there there's nothing like the African European way or the China way."
That's the tr there's a human way or every thing that is European is also African is if you agree that the European the out of Africa migration concept whatever it is because there there's a there's a Africans have a part of European in them.
If that's the case, Asians, I mean, Africans have Asians in them. The South Africans even look Asian. Some some of them the K the sand people or whatever it is. But the thing about it is you have to find a way to prioritize. You first of all, you have to have a way. There has to be an African way, right? That is prioritized in design. And then you bring those elements and then you add that in there, but it doesn't the Africanness and for the way that you would actually know how to do that is to go get suggestions from the people that have the things that have been happening for years because time- tested means that that's what they're inclined to do. Now when you go and consult the ancestors, you're not going to go tell take everything and say, "Okay, yeah, this is what we're going to be doing." No, just looking for direction.
And the the truth about the matter, once you hear like a Chinese person talking educational system, you go look at the education, you go like the the European and then the American system. They had to do all of these things. That's why they Africa is the only continent that only has education system that they start with just before colonial period.
Most people start from 2,000 years ago to be teaching their people. They have to go look for something.
>> And the funny part of the story is that most of the European history, not I won't say most like a good a good 50% of that European history was orally transmitt transmitted. It's orally transmitted. People now had to sit down in a room and start orally detecting.
The Vikings for instance, most of the stories of the Vikings were not written down.
Yes, people take pride from them. Yet, people have actually learned some type of system that they translated. Some companies, they'll tell you, I do Viking um ideology and there's a spirit that goes through like there's there's there's many things. So just because some of those things were not written does not mean that this orally transmitted cannot be documented and try to do something with it and it's the most useful way to actually progress because you would have a way that even even a European can borrow from there to actually modify them. Now the reason why this is very important now more than ever is because all the analytical strengths that the rest of the world has been evolved to actually prioritize are now automatable by AI.
We live in a very very interesting time that the people are going to to school and they're getting PhDs and they're coming out of PhDs and finding out that AI can actually do all the things that they can do and they had to go to school for it. Anything that has to do with structure analyzing step by step AI is able to do them fast. Why? These were the main things that people used to gauge intelligence. But now AI, let me let me let me cut you there because I don't want you to go too far because we're going to we're going to touch on that. I don't want you to go too far.
>> Um I I I've got I've got another clip I want to play um pertaining to African architecture um and you know in a sense African authenticity and I want to get your uh your thoughts on it.
What if cement buildings are manufacturing poverty and mud is a solution? Let's get into it. Across African cities, we keep designing concrete and glass buildings designed for Europe and North America. I mean, me too. In this heat, those buildings are not made for this environment. They trap heat. They block air flow and they force us all to rely on air conditioning. That means higher bills, unstable power, noisy generators, constant heat stress.
Now, compare that to mud based construction. Buildings made with rammed earth or compressed air blocks have thick breathable walls and a high thermal mass. I'm sweating.
They absorb heat during the day and release it slowly at night. That's 5 to 10°C cooler without air conditioning.
Constant exposure to artificial cooling, poor ventilation, and heat spikes is linked to respiratory issues, cardiovascular stress, and sleep deprivation. Now, let's talk about the green grain. Let's talk about the money.
Cement is expensive, imported, carbon heavy. Mud is local, abundant, biodegradable. There's a reason why our ancestors were using it. I think our current building practices are quietly locking millions of people into energy poverty. So now let's imagine a different policy future. What if government mandated that moving forward 80% of all public buildings that is schools, clinics, community centers be built using mostly earth-based materials? And what if private developers who use mostly mud as a building material get significant tax breaks and fasttrack approvals? Would the skyline be J? You know what we'd get? Cooler buildings, healthier indoor spaces, cheaper construction. The future of African development isn't trying to look like Dubai with all these concrete skylines. Maybe it's about smarter earth. What do you think? Is this possible in your African city? Let us know in the comments below. Let's talk.
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>> All right. What say you? What are your thoughts on that?
>> So, this mud thing four years ago, I've I've said it. I've read it before somewhere. Like some I think there's something going on in Mali where they were trying to actually get the thing.
But that's what I'm saying. You don't think about it how smart this thing sounds, right? And think about how sometimes you think about it's common sense. But think about it. We've been since 1960 Nigeria and most of those African countries, right? It's almost as if nobody was thinking about this kind of thing. Something that was just right there. It's because when we think about our ancestors, we see people that are wearing leaves and going around the village naked. We don't respect them because we think that they were primitive.
You get what I'm saying? But you got to understand the first thing that these type of ideas will start coming like a stream when you start to respect your ancestors. And you don't respect your because they are your ancestors. You respect your ancestors because of how intelligent you seem to be. And you your intelligence didn't just come from reading. There's a way that you think.
There's a couple of hundred years ago somebody who's your ancestor who was like that. They were not just chilling in the bush just looking. They were thinking just because they did not bring they didn't do um clothes fiber. You think they're not intelligent? First of all, they if you don't have clothes in Africa, you're not going to die. If you don't have clothes in Norway, you're going to die. So to survive, Norway has to create clothes before Africans.
That's just how it is. It's not an intelligence thing. Once again, it's a needs thing, but you have to understand what were those people doing that were pertaining to their needs. And you need to go and start picking what like for instance, if we were thinking this way, we're not going to be building just mud houses as they are. We would have had an institute of mud research, how to do mud in such a way that it is more durable to be used as a building. To the extent where you see a mud house, you're not even going to know it's a mud house.
Just like you see a wooden house, right?
You don't know if it's brick. Sometimes they're painted in the brick. But that's what it would have been. Energy cost would have been 10% of what they are right now because right now we have a you have a Greek problem. But also it's because I have to cool my house more than somebody in California because it's just hot. It's humid. So people in there's a luxury estate in Nigeria. Now the guy was saying that he pays about 2 million a month or something in power cost. He gets 24 hours life supply and nobody's thinking that the design of the actual concrete makes you put your AC at 68 65 at all time every time just so that you can feel the same way as somebody in Minnesota.
Right? Why? Because you don't value your ancestors thinking. You think they're just a cake. If you don't think your ancestors were a cake, when you were when people colonized, as soon as they came, you servants, you do all those things and when they start introducing their thing, you'll be like, "Hey, excuse me, please. Is there a way that we can like combine what you got with what I have?"
But you were just fascinated with everything that you saw which is true. I would have been fascinated too because it's kind of like from black to white basically. But if you see if you read the invasion of the Japanese, you get what I'm saying? You you'll see what I'm talking. They took a ship, they took it back, they took some books, they started to like study some things. And so when those when the invaders came back, they had a different reply. But the only the only reason they did that I studied this way. The only reason that the Japanese are proud but nobody nobody really why or why they're proud. Central helps right because most are just stupid running around right so it's going to be like 10%. So if they can centralize good that's what helped Japan but also Japanese appreciated their ways. their ways were less technologically advanced than when the west came to them. Way less, right? But they actually they had a they there's a way they feel they felt like they there's a way that they think that actually makes sense. Technology advancement was so high over in the invaders, but they actually appreciated their way. It's not acknowledging. It's not it's not all this saying that oh European technology is is is not advanced. No, you you those are that's advanced technology right there. But we cannot be a million of years chilling in this place without having any sense.
It's not even possible.
It's not it's not possible that the and if you if you read if you think you will understand what I'm saying right the most creative people are still back home in Africa the creative the reason why inventions are not coming up is institutional and culture there's an institutional and culture block but it doesn't actually negate the creativity right now the creativity would have outlets you'll be seeing them in many many ways.
Now if you if you look at that population and say man these people are not even inventing nothing it's easy to just dismiss them right and then move on to where stuff now on the other side they have institutionalized um um inventions right so if you go to a big company you you're going to see a lot of dumb people but you're going to see an institution that was creatively designed to mask dumbness right on the other side you see no institutions but you see people that are very creative and smart, but they're always going to be sidelined and they will sideline themselves because there's no outputs.
>> Yeah. Yeah. This is what I >> Yeah.
>> This is what I'll say. I think I think that um you know one of the things I brought up during another stream uh with another brother we're talking about pro black fatigue but I brought up the point I said what if our inability to unite as one Africa is a consequence of our of our genetic diversity.
>> Right. I I think I think some geneticists have even said that uh black uh uh siblings are more genetically diverse than distant white people.
Like white societies are pretty homogeneous. Asian societies are pretty homogeneous.
>> And the the the problem with um you know the diversity is that it's diversity in thought, diversity in culture, etc. So, you know, even in in Nigeria, get a Euroba man and an Ebo man together and they won't agree. Even within Ebo culture, I'm Ebo, you're Euroba. Get two Ebo men together, they won't agree.
So, despite who has a good idea, we can't build or sustain institutions because there's no alignment.
So I think for me the biggest critique of our ancestors and you kind of alluded to it when you brought up the clothes thing. There was a technological complacency because there was no necessity. Necessity breeds innovation.
>> Necessity and war. You could even argue breed innovation.
>> If I'm in a place that I'm chilling, the climate is favorable etc. There is no need to innovate. So I I I think we're asking the wrong question when we say were our ancestors um smart or intelligent. I think the better question is were our ancestors appropriately prepared for the opposition. So I think the answer is no.
>> Let me add let me just add one tiny little bit and because so war and needs necessity right are the breeders of innovation. So it's easy to say okay you know we're just chilling and so we we we didn't think in a way that could have improved our thinking towards innovation but where you where you might be slightly off there is those people had constraints they just didn't have those type of constraints your job now is to go look at where those constraints may have existed that may have breeded some type of thinking towards the innovation. Now they might not have finished that thinking towards that innovation which is the final product but there's some byproducts that might have come along the way that you can go pick and develop on because there a lot of people think likeation I innovated this one big cup this is an end product of innovation before they got to this cup they got to ceramic they got to hold hand holding they got to like the base this there's about like five technology innovations in this cup alone right so but by the time you see the cup you say oh these people build cups these people people don't build cups but the people that have built that have not built cups may have built like two over five of the things that were necessary to build cups they didn't get to the end because they didn't really have a need for cups now you you come from that place and you want to you now say oh these people have built cup or these people have built stuff do I go and leave my two over five here and go to this other place that have done a finished product and start downloading the finished product and or do I learn what methodology what the approach that my folks got to the two over five so that I can build according to the needs something similar but something also that fits the need of that environment there's the so that's the case that people don't understand.
Yes, it's good to go and borrow technology knowledge from everywhere, but you have to understand that at the end of the day, for people who are still in Africa, you're going to be stuck in that environment though. It's not like when I copy and paste, I also copy and paste the environment that I copied from.
>> You're not You get what I'm saying? So, you have no >> You get what I'm saying? So, you have no choice that you have no choice but to consult the ancestors. They are the only ones that have the most experience living in that environment. The only problem that the pro black people do, some pro black people, is that they take this message as though people are saying that you should go and just go back to the ancestors. No, you're going to >> you can't you have to complete the work of know you have those are time most of the inventions in the west right the juice of it the juice of the inventions in the west came from 200 years ago I keep saying this and I want people to just go read and see there's an there's a fire there's a ignite there's an ignition that happens later but most of it comes from but we need to go find the juice then we have another advantage of people some people have developed some things we're not don't discard you can't discard western knowledge western knowledge well if we call it western right but that knowledge is very brilliant it's human excellence too as well so you're not discarding but you need to get your center you need to get the juice so that you can guide you can build around that right And this part of that >> I think I think my fear my fear with as you described it getting the juice >> when when I when I compare when I compare African philosophy if you will to western philosophy, Greek philosophy, you know, Latin philosophy etc. One of the one of the issues that I have with African philosophy and please feel free to disagree with me. I think African philosophy is more reliant on culture and tradition and not optimization and critique.
So I think a lot of the things that just like I talked about African time, I think a lot of the things that we do that are authentically African weren't necessarily things that were optimized for our greatest good, but things that had had a legacy.
So, so my grandfather's grandfather did this and I'm going to do this in honor of them without I I don't think the average African I don't think the African philosophy says the things that my grandfather's grandfather did.
Did it make sense then? Does it make sense now? I don't think we look at it through those critical lenses. I think we look at it through the lens of what they did was authentically African. So the better that I can stay true to that or that I can tap into that the better I can progress. And that's what I think is a mistake.
>> I don't think I I agree with that and that's where I think that all cultures matter, right? And you're supposed to pick the good on one and then discard the others. But the problem is you don't want to discard a philosophy just because it doesn't it it doesn't it doesn't in at face value at first it doesn't even make sense like my great-grandfather did this so I have to do this when I say take the juice out of something for instance in this situation will be to take the juice of what the ancestors philosophy was in that philosophy is not a rigid experience and it needs to be it needs to be developed western philosophy was never just in one place just stagnant. You would see another philosopher come and bring and brand it and then before you know it there's continuity. It takes that idea it builds on it.
>> That's what we need to do with African philosophy of thing is not sophisticated enough. Like the continuity that that argument you just brought is a continuity argument.
>> My grandfather did this so I do it's a grounding argument. The juice of it is saying that I a man has to be grounded.
You can't just be like any good thing that comes you just pick it or any good sounding argument that comes you just take it and then you can change who you are if you even follow through with good arguments. Now what we have come as learned people is not to be rigid on that but it's to understand that the African man has to be grounded. Critic or no critic. The new African man, the Renaissance African man has to be grounded and open criticism.
>> It has to be more grounded than somebody from the west who is just open to criticism in general. But what you understand is that it doesn't it would not affect your civilization if open to criticism and grounded.
It would only affect your civilization if you're just close to criticism and grounded. So you don't just discard what the ancestors were talking about. Oh, my grandfather used to do this.
>> You consolidate on it. Then you open the doors to other philosophers.
But you don't just let yourself go.
Because at that time you don't African brand any longer.
>> There a lot of things that don't make sense. Chinese Confucianism has it too as well. But what they did what the emperas did you know in like 200 years ago was to take the philosophy and start to build their own brand.
>> It's the same thing with Christianity.
By the time Christianity has reached us, it has passed through Roman Empire. It has passed through European. It has passed through America. Every time Christianity reach those regions, they they added their own. They call it Roman Catholic. Catholic did not even exist on >> I think my my my challenge the challenge for me is I think that >> right >> I think that you bring up a really good point. It has to be grounded.
My my challenge is I think we tend to or we default to grounding it in quote unquote African authenticity rather than optimization.
And and what what I mean by African authenticity versus African uh um optimization is for for some people who are considering the architectural feature of like mud huts, their defense of it is not about it like her defense where it's optimized for our cl our climate. Their defense of it is it's uniquely African and uniquely not European.
So, so it it ends up in, you know, and I think you brought it up, it ends up in like a defensive reactive posture where we're trying so hard to be authentically African, sometimes sacrificing things and postures that would push us forward because we simply uh we simply want to be unique. We simply want to be peculiar instead of wanting to to progress.
Because I think when when we get to the point where like we want to progress, we'll understand that some of the things that we're calling Western or European are not Western or European. They're just like physics. They're just like philosophy. They just make sense.
>> And I think a lot of us get caught up in trying to be African than trying to make sense.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's there's two sides of a coin. There's the there's a likelihood to want to do that. That's why It's always a few within a civilization that would have the clarity that needs to move that civilization. Most people are always going to be either on the left extreme or on the right extreme because like you said it right, people need to stop looking at some things as western education. It's just education.
>> You benefit from it. You will benefit from it. and the fact that you even resonate with it that there's something in you that actually is part of that just aha moment right at the end of the day we're all humans that's the truth about it but when I say that you have to you have to center yourself in those ancestral stuff it's just a matter it's it's outside of the the core physical things chemistry there many things that are universal physics is We're all part of the same physical. I can't fly no matter how much humid my climate is. You get what I'm saying? Um, chemistry.
You get what I'm saying? Even maths is not even a is not part of that because maths is a is an attempt to represent physical science using symbols and numbers and stuff, right? But you can argue either or biology, right? you know to an extent to a point where you know you know some 99% of it right it's universal and then when you now get to philosophical truths truths there are some philosophical truths that are steady but there there also some that are mediated by environmental constraints right and philosophy has always been the start of the civilization the Fact that it could even have some environmental constraints that can mediate it means that you have to respect the conversations of the past in a particular region. Respect. You have to acknowledge it. Like you can't just you can't just be chilling in one place for millions of years and then some people would come with advanced technology and then you completely ignore everything that you that you learn they're learning in that environment and just adopt the technology. If that's how the civilization used to work a lot of countries would have been civilized by now they try to adopt it. Well, if you look at if you look at the countries that have been that have even zero to 100 countries, which is very rare, right? I've looked at civilizations that actually adopted technology really fast.
They didn't admit like, oh yeah, let's we are just open.
Oh, this is the best we just take it.
No, they integrated it with what they had. They had a way because apart from just learning about some of all the things even application of technology has to acknowledge the culture of the recipient of that technology for fast adoption.
That's just the thing about it. If not, you're going to slowly develop and we don't even know if you will ever develop even if the even if the the things are in right, right? And that's that's where we're talking about the the clear story is we're on the same page. But what I'm saying is center.
>> You get what I'm saying? what you do with the fringes that's your business but the center is to be African >> and the African does not need to be like continental African it's just like you said we need to understand the way that actually fits that use case and to your point genetic diversity is a problem is a problem which is why some of the things that are that kind of seem like African have a lot of diversity person. So, it's it's part of the whole thing. It's part of constraints and it's part of a a there's there's some evolutionary things that happen to people in those type of environments to con to factor in our country. We just need to learn what those things are. And the only way that you can learn what those things are are to look at the stories that the ancestors used to tell. That's one way.
I'll say one over three one third of the way is to look at the stories you know story to start some of the stories telling are the same story we're telling Nigeria and people are hardly interfacing with each other at that point but they're also genetically diverse people right and they're different but some of the are same there many things that are different but the things that tie strands that tie those things we need Now build like document those things and what alliance with those now take the juice out of that story and then take all the education from other parts of the world and layer on top of it.
>> So now what we're doing is >> let me let me play this clip um >> let me play this clip and he asked a really interesting question and I want you to I want you to uh respond to this question as well. Have our ancestors failed us?
No, our ancestors did not fail us for two or three reasons. Reason number one, looking at the shock of colonial invasion and the militarization and the academic preparation the colonial system had. Explorers first, missionaries next, mercenaries, then business community. Well orchestrated.
The David Livingston and the Sister Johns, they're just walking around the diaries. Oh, wow. Wonderful.
Oh, please can you show me around? Oh, well, gold mines. Okay, fine. And that's mango iron ore. I find crystals. Oh, these stones. What did I Oh. Oh. And they were just walking around innocently. We even escorted them >> and showed them around. The next group that came the missionaries. Oh, God loves you. If a man claps, you know, if a man clips on one cheek, kiss down the other cheek. Please love your enemies and praise those that persecute you and then your father in heaven will accept you. And don't worry about these things that are on earth. In a little while, we'll be going home. The clouds will open and Jesus will come back and take us to a land very far from here. We were going to be living in harmony and in peace. No more sickness and disease and pain. All these old things will have passed away and he will wipe away all the tears from your eyes. Can someone say amen out there?
>> Sounds like I'm begging you.
>> Yeah.
And just before we said amen, the guns and barrels started blasting behind our backs and now we told already give them the other cheek. Now don't worry about being so don't worry about those that flesh. What about him who the spirit you're already dealing with the people that are psychologically defeated. Then of course after that business then takes over. You're asking me did our forefathers fail us? Yeah. Very deep question. Number one, they survived that trauma. They survived. I think actually some of them became Christians because the system and they just have to wiggle their way in there to survive.
Have our ancestors failed us?
>> All right. So, how would you answer that question?
>> Um, I I would I don't think they failed us. I think that they um like he said, I agree with him. They they kind of did what they had to do.
And that that goes on to that goes back to our our there's a there's an African nature in there. It's it's resilience.
But the resilience is as a result of the environment too as well partly because you would have to you'd have to so that's another thing reflexes.
Some of all these things have been researched extensively, right? The climates that sharpen your senses, your um likelihood to be more resilient because number one, you have 20 pathogens.
You have more pathogens in some places not. So basically your biology is already built for resilience over time.
That's just normal biology terminologist. I have a degree in that in human physiology that might be going into that layer. Right? Then um threats, external threats, right? If you live in a tropical forest and then you have to carve out a little space to call a village, you might have to defend against wild animals, right? As well as humans. Um so it's multiple threats. And then when you the most of the men in that environment need to go into the forest to actually get animals. So when you're in the forest looking for animals to eat, you have to be sharper. Your side hand side this and this and you all have to be. So it's kind of like teaching you a multi-arried kind of resilience.
People don't understand what this does to multiple generations of people as opposed to somebody living in the wilderness for instance or living in an open area for millions of years where you have to actually go further out to get one animal to eat and then the animals are always like congratulating in one place and then there's no other predator in that place but you, right?
So it kind of shapes your reactionary um inclinations, right? The Africas are built to react to threats differently.
There's fight or flight. That's universal. That's physics, right?
There's the physics of fight. I'm just aligning to physics and what is universal. But there's a there's a type of re uh intuitive reactionary behavior that environment shapes. And one of the things that our environment has shaped us into, I've not gone to all the factors, there's so many other factors it has shaped us for when we see a threat instead of straight up go confront it, we try to maneuver away around it, right? Which is also why many of those African countries despite the fact that they had a lot of languages like in one state in in Nigeria which my state crossover they got like 52 languages in there right they should normally have killed themselves because it's like they will feel different right but they have a way of there's a way that the African deals with threat that is different from the way some other people deal with threat not because they are just a lot of people say oh just goodnatured people no is constraints, right? The kind of environmental constraint has mediated their type of resilience and that's why they hardly revolt. For instance, they look at what would be considered the smartest way to go about it, which they prioritize survival. If you're trying to survive, it doesn't make sense for you to revolt.
You should try to do something then go to the other side and go live. That's what those people have been actually evolved to do. That's why you know the only way that you revolt is if you're thinking of civilizational survival. But humans beings do not naturally just think about the group survival. It's not something that just intuitively come.
The first thing that instinctively comes to you is your personal survival. The only reason why some other cultures have been able to do it is because they evolved to a place of centralized authority which also is a factor of how spaced out some of the mountains and plains you know of their environment is some some they have bottleneck populations that got stuck and they had to form a culture around it and become one one king and then he had to do all the things to survive. So the ancestors by the time those people everybody came in there they were just doing the things that they were evolved to do which is selfp protect and try to maneuver first of all be warm to strangers because in those cultures too because you you meet a lot of people it it's not separated out there's a there's a warm to strangers um culture for Africans. So when does they they didn't really see them as invaders at first and then afterwards they when they when they were threatened instead of like banding together and fight back which is harder in a genetically diverse culture anyway but instead of doing that they just kind of like withtood it and each everybody is just trying to survive. Some of them even thought slavery was part of survive because they're taking you to somewhere where you hopefully maybe can escape or whatever. as long as you're living, you're surviving, right? And that so that's what I think. I don't think that in that sense they failed us. A lot of people are just kind of like there's a way. That's what I'm trying to tell people. There's a way that you are that you did not do anything to be right. There's there's a way that you are that you did not do anything to become. You not acknowledging it is fine because you want to be open to self-development. You think that you're malleable. You can fix yourself and that's fine. People are getting into midlife crisis and seeing that no matter how much they fix themselves, there's still some things that they're inclined to do. It's better for you to learn your inclinations than to just push them in the side.
Which is what I'm trying to tell the African folks. It's like learn your inclinations. The first step to learning your inclinations is to go look what your forefathers were doing and link it to what it is that you're doing and do not throw aside any knowledge. All knowledge is important. Western Chinese alien information is important. You get it. But you just need to center yourselves and try to have a way. So I don't think so. I don't think that they they disappointed us. Long answer, but yeah.
>> Yeah. Um I I I I I'm on the other side of that. I I I think our ancestors failed us.
>> Why do you think so?
>> And I and I think that because >> I think we failed our ancestors.
>> Yeah. 100%. I think I think some of it is wasn't their fault, but I think some of it was, right? I remember uh reading about Shakazulu and you know he stands out in African history because he was one of the warrior kings who fought back against um western imperialism when they first came. His army beat them and then they went back they regrouped and they came again and they were Shagazulu's army was defeated.
And when historians kind of um reflect on what happened, they talk about how Shaka used the same exact tactic as he did the first time.
So from a war and conflict standpoint, from the art of war, uh he was predictable.
I think that, you know, kind of like I've alluded to before, I think the African has been blessed and gifted to our detriment.
I think we are blessed in a way that makes us intellectually um morally and technologically complacent, right? even even you know the African-American community a popular saying is if it ain't broke don't fix it and on its face it sounds good but it's like you know sometimes innovation requires seeing problems where problems might not exist or problems might not immediately be apparent but you play out so many hypotheticals that you cover all your bases like what if this happened what if I I think being critical of um our ancestors is important because it it shows us the error in our ways. It shows us how, to your point, they didn't anticipate the West being a threat. Like kind of like the video talked about, they came as explorers, then they came as missionaries, then they came as, you know, uh, conquerors.
I think that like I've said multiple times, I think our posture, I think our culture of accommodation, even though optimized for our local environments, is not optimized for uh international relations.
Until this day, I I think we we are the reflection of our ancestors in the sense that again, we we continue to prioritize and optimize for African authenticity rather than African progress. And I think that is something that we got from our ancestors. And I think unless we're willing to critique our ancestors and unless we're willing to then make the necessary adjustments, eliminate certain parts of our authenticity, um we'll continue to be in a position where uh we we cannot stand up to western or eastern imperialism. I mean, we we talk a lot about the UK, we talk about America. In Nigeria right now, the people who are colonizing Nigeria are Chinese, >> right? So this this the the the antagonism that we're talking about is not just from the west it's from the east too and we're making the exact same mistakes that our ancestors made being accommodating being welcoming right now.
If you're Asian dude you could probably get a woman easier than if you are a Nigerian in Nigeria.
These are the things that I think are a product of us being sacred and and and in my opinion overly sensitive with our ancestors and not willing to call out the good things but also the bad things about their posture, their optimizations, their their lack of foresight in some ways that led us to the situation that we're in now.
>> Yeah. So I don't think that they failed us because they were living based of what they know. They have failed them because we have gone we have decided not to go learn from their mistakes.
We're we're romantizing their past just like you said. But we're not going to go learn from their mistakes. I'm advocating to go learn from their mistakes from their mistakes because mistakes doesn't mean that they failed.
They just were using what they had at the time. They did a good job with what they had. Now we have some new information which we're we're thinking because we have new the mistake that we will do is what we're doing. And this is the mistake. The mistake is we're completely writing them off and only using this tropes of idolizing them say authentic African the things that we even call authentic African is kind of like all those things that don't even matter right and we're going the route of optimization without centralization going back to them because when I say go back to the ancestors I'm not saying just get some of those good you go look at like you at the mistakes. You can't see the mist. You can't learn from the mistakes. You don't go back there. Go back there if you don't think that there's any need to go back there. You can't think there's any need to go back there if you don't respect them. If you disrespect those people, you're not going to go back anyway. You're just going to be like, you know what? I'm just going to go optimize.
There's a lot of wisdom in neglect, which is what some of them did, right?
But there's there's there's a lot of things that when you go back and read, you could see why they did it. You can see like if you if you if you go back and read about all those things and do all your deep dive and you come out with that juice that I'm talking about. What you do with the juice is not to to say that okay this is the African way and every other way it is. It's also how you respond to like you said European, Chinese or whatever it is. You don't you cannot you can't Africa right now even on the optimization the optimization fields the people who want to optimize optimize you know what let's leave all this authentic African stuff let's just go do a and develop and stuff they're failing to do it that's what that's what we're trying to tell you they're failing the reason is because you're you're good first of all you're going to compete I hope you know what it is Whether you're copying from west or China, you're going to compete with the western China. Now you you're going to compete with the western China. These people have been playing the game for like 2,000 some years. You want to compete with your 100 years of experience. You're going to fail all the time. You have to learn your advantage so that you compete on your own advantage. They said the Chinese are coming and taking over the country. They're doing the Chinese way.
There's a now we can say there's a Chinese way to do things. The western people are coming they're doing their own stuff. They have a western way of doing things. You want to develop to defend against people but you're using their own tactics. They will they're going to get you.
You have to learn something that's core African to as part of your defensive mechanism against invasion. It's not just because ancestors did not did not mean that it cannot be done. What you need to do is go learn how it is and now tweak it to have a defense element which by the way is is a good segue to that school that I did because name of is the name of a company is sage but I put a D there for defensive because I know that everything that you build would always have like something that might want to be taken right and and that's just to your point. It's kind of like you a lot of people think that you just optimize optimize optimize optimize.
Read about go read about cultures. Read about civilizations.
Very few cultures have actually succeeded doing this. Oh yeah. You know what? I just want to develop everything.
Develop. Develop. Hey, you know what?
We're just going to build a road here.
We're just gonna do it. It doesn't work because you have to get people to work.
And to get people to work, you'd have to tell them a story.
And to tell them a story, it has to be a story that unites them. To find a story that unites them, you have to use something that's that's kind of like familiar to them. To find something that's familiar to them, you have to go back to their history.
So the problem for like Nigeria for instance, it's not that development just come here and do development. The problem is even get people to even work to unite and build this bridge without this one saying oh no this person is from this village and the progress will not even go anywhere. But for you to actually unite some people you have to find them a unifying story.
If you have to tell a story you have to go past, present, future to do.
There's no story going back.
There's no going back, finding some sense of pride in the back. There's no find some sense of pride in the back. If you don't understand that these people did the best with what they had, let's go back there and see what that best is and let's layer on top of it.
That's the only way. That's the way of of the west how they build. That's the way of China. The Chinese people always were going to progress. just a matter of because they were able they about their life as a story. There's a story. You cannot throw freaking authenticity one kind of like it's just romantic.
It's not a romantic idea. It's a survival idea. Like you cannot you you have to find back to the ancestors just so that you can be able to tell a story of connectivity and continuity.
and no there's nothing that we call an invention now that invention that has a 100 200 year history it's always 2000 this computer Abacos way from way back there's nothing that you can just spin up like this even if you have to copy and paste the why Christianity is not working for the African continent is because when it got to our own The West African they didn't put the West African brand of Christianity. They just copied the Christianity.
The the Romans turned it to Roman Catholic. The Anglican call it English Anglican. They name Ang Jesus name is they gave it Jesus. It reach America they turned it to Evangel Christianity.
I think I think part of the reason, if if you know, if we're being honest, I think part of the reason they were able to do that is because they had, unlike us, I would argue, they had a >> culture of critique, right? They they had a culture of like breaking things apart >> and separating the wheat from the chaff or you know chewing the meat and spitting out the bones. That's why even till this day they copy our music. They copy everything that we do that's that's productive. Um we don't >> sorry just one thing just one >> to critique there's there's something that precedes critique that people don't talk about.
>> Okay. for you to be confidently wanting to pick something, you have to have pride in your opinions.
If not, you're just going to be like, >> well, you know, I think you you got the better one. So is that precursor to critique that we're saying you like even if even if I'm wrong I have to be confidently wrong for it to get to my my brain to my mouth for me to say it so that you can have something to the main thing there is my openness to receiving that critique >> but if I don't have pride in my opinions I'm not going to say it >> but that that's my argument I don't think the African has pride in and in and his his opinions because I think >> that's because >> but but I think it's largely because our opinions weren't shaped or stress tested by us. I think a lot of our opinions were inherited by us. So I can't even defend it because I don't really feel ownership. I just got it from my dad who got it from his dad who got it from his dad. I think western philosophy, eastern philosophy is constantly refining.
>> Constantly refining.
>> Yeah. And I agree with that.
>> I agree with that. I agree with that.
But what I'm saying is that even with that inherit if you if I inherited something from my dad and I'm very confident about it. I will and I'm confidently about it. Right now in this new age, what you're supposed to be doing is to be confidently saying it out so that somebody with more knowledge can confidently rebuke you and then the conversation happens. If I'm not if I just inherited something and I'm I don't and I look down on that thing, I'm not going to confidently bring it up for it to be critiqued. So the main problem now is not the absence of critique. The first problem is the absence of pride in what is passed on to you. Because if you had pride in what is passed on to you, you would bring it to the marketplace and we're going to do something to it that might end up changing it or tweaking it.
>> You get what? You see what you see the point that I'm making.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't know whether you're getting that that particular piece. I think that that that might be the core of the the the thing.
>> Yeah. No, no, no. I I I I get that. I I just I think that in practice what ends up happening is that people in you know trying to hold sacred the ancestors like the last clip talked about trying to hold sacred African authenticity I think it creates a a a big blind spot right because you know using the inheritance um analogy I think you know some kids will inherit and inherit a business from their their parents and not learn the business, right? They let other people run it.
>> But think about it, even culture, when you go back to, you know, before the Renaissance period where critique became the thing, right? And all those things before that time there was there was always a precursor. And the precursor is sacred.
You have to hold something sacred >> for other people to wake up to want to critique it. People don't usually start from critiquing things just because it's just chilling.
You get what I'm saying? They critique something that is s that the community holds sacred and then after one somebody like, "Man, that ain't true." And then it causes a storm because people are fighting back. It's just like algorithm to to be honest with you. All of those things work like the internet algorithm.
Hot topics usually only become thrown into the community because some people hold it sacred.
>> Mhm.
>> Some of the most important things are hardly discussed because nobody really cares about them too much.
>> Everybody thinks that myths are very useless, but myth are the things that people discuss to the point scientists want to go and research it anyway. And this has been discussed, right? You think that is the most logical thing that people scientists start with.
Scientists start with stories.
>> Wait, wait. I I want I want to be clear.
Do are you are you saying that we haven't held our history or our ancestors sacred enough?
>> Right now, I'm talking about so there's two camps. Let me tell you, there's two camps of people. The people that you you seem to be criticizing are these people who romanticize the African history and ancestors and they just leave them blank there >> to be woripped blah blah blah. That's not where that's not where I'm coming.
Right. Then there's other people the other camp are people that just like man all of these things we're not even writing. We were building hots. We're walking around like man let me just go get my you know western education and read and do all this. Let's just try to develop, develop, develop. That's the second camp. The camp that I'm advocating is neither of those two. The camp that I'm advocating for is it's almost impossible for your ancestors to have lived in that place for thousands of years and not end up with certain truths. Truths, >> it's almost impossible. If you if you claim that that's possible, you yourself there's no way that you should be able to learn this fast. Basically, your father, your grandfather was in the bush. You're not too many generations from that those people. You shouldn't be able to capture knowledge this fast, right? It's almost like it becomes like magic, right? There's certain truths that those people ended up with living on but we have thrown everything they had along with those truths unknowingly because the things that they were able to produce look more primitive than what we're adopting now. But we we don't understand that like there is a destination and there's ways to the truth that never end up to the actual final product. But you cannot discard the way if you're trying to build that area that the truth was cut that that that those truths came out from. Basically, you can't just simply throw away all of all of those things and think that you're just going to advance by a >> No, I I agree with that. I I agree with that. I I think, you know, for me, I'm I'm not as interested in critiquing the intellectual capabilities of our ancestors. Right. To your point, I I I do agree with you. There there's some ways there's a lot of evidence to suggest they were more intellectually capable than us even today. What what I'm critiquing or what I'm critical of is their priorities.
Because I would argue that our priorities are the same as theirs, which is why we remain in western and eastern sub subjugation. I don't think we're smarter than them. I think the mistakes that they made, we haven't learned from it and we're continuing to make those mistakes because we would rather preserve what we think is an authentic African identity even if it's to our detriment. that that's where I have an issue with not critiquing the ancestors.
>> Okay. Yeah. I mean, damn. We're we're on the same page. And I when I when I advocate for holding them sacred, I I do not mean not to critique them, right? but to use them as a starting point to that critic basically only because it's it's a it's a message from our past. It means a lot to that environment. It it does mean and the reason I'm saying this is that I'm also practicalizing it. I'll give you an instance.
>> The practicalizing is I use stories to teach AI. I use African stirs.
>> You get what I'm saying? I've I currently use the lion and the hair. I don't know if you heard of that one. The head took the lion to the >> It's a simple story.
The lion comes and it's eats an animal a day. He roars and then he almost got to the headstone and he devised the means like maybe he should go instead of like confronting the lion. He'll win, he will lose. He'll tell the lion that, "Hey, there's a competitor, right, that's he claims that he's stronger than you and he's going to take over your stuff." The lion immediately forgets that he's supposed to be focusing on food and goes, "Take me to this competitor." And he goes, looks at the pool and sees a reflection of himself. He roars, the reflection roars, and he thinks that that's the bad guy. And he jumps into the pool and dies. and that the and the hair and the animals live happily ever after. They told the story in Gambia. They told the story in Sagal. They told the story in parts of Nigeria and it's just a story and people think it's just teaching about moral and stuff like that.
Now you can take this story like they've done in the west mean they take some type of stories. If it's if it's told often and it's in multiple places at different time, it means that there's something about that story that the ancestors wanted to continually pass on.
>> And it also tells you that there might be a spirit of the group of people that living in that place that is trying to live through. It's like it's like it's like a genetic variant in your body. It mo it morphs and tries to survive itself. It prioritizes itself, right?
It's it now becomes something that if you prioritize it, your society might move quicker in adoption of technology faster. If you move there's a spirit of the people that if you if you if you build towards the spirit of the people like a wave, they adopt things faster. If and that's the key thing. You just want people you you if you're a leader, right, and you're trying to bring change to your place, what you want is least resistance because if people resist you, no matter how dictatorial you are, eventually you're going to not you're they going something's going to happen to you or either you're going to be lying locked in a no progress. So, but this story is now as simple as it is, it's commonality, it's frequency of being told, it's fact that it's been told to everywhere. You can take that, you can get the moral juice of the story, but you can also dissect it and get many other things of it. And when you tell it to people and get all of this thing, they resonate more with it.
Number one, because it's been told historically, they start to have like this, you know, pull towards it. And then because it seems as though if this is a story that was told in different different places and sometimes these people did not know each other, it means that there's something about the people that that story tells that instead of you try to place with you can build on top of it.
The story teaches that you are going to be mostly in a place where you're going to phys physically challenge. You're going to be technologically challenged.
You're going to be you're going to have to be going to have to outsmart your way to progress. You're not going out strong your way to progress. You're gonna progress. So you have to be the most knowledgeable in the room and you have to be the person with the most amount of >> and that way I teach students that first of all and and context you have to be a king of context and if you go by African history you will see that the Africans had many of those African communities had a wise man in the village right people would come around them and and they would try to have disciples And then they used to be the knowledgeable people in many African communities used to be like celebrities basically. So that's why a lot of Africans, right, you can't even talk to them. You can't even tell them something. Are you still there?
>> Yeah, I'm here. I'm listening.
>> Yes. Yeah. So they you can't talk to like try to talk to some Africans. They want to give me two minutes. They just like they know there's a spirit of knowing in Africa but it has been poorly because they don't read no more. But today it used to be like the they Africa is supposed to be the most knowledgeable person in area. If you could from people about stuff you could not just walk up to somebody and they just are completely clueless.
development could have built on top of that to make sure that many Africans even they actually export you that this is the most knowledgeable person in your team at work right and a lot of people have not studied a lot of cultures to see that there's a cultural spirit that is independent of development there's a Chinese person who is kind of like when you give him a job to do he would just do it it's not might not give you the super super bad best piece get the have done. Then culture where it's like they they might not get it done fast but do very very well you know then there's another culture that going to do something for you and they're going to make it flashy right might not last but going to give you your status symbol thing right but all these people did not discard type of style when they were getting innovation imported into the African way important technology build build your whole thing and it's affecting the adoption of technology adoption of progress and basically it's one of the main things that actuallyffecting that hope to achieve let me let me um let me play this clip because I I I think it uh actually it's two clips I think it helps kind of illustrate um where where I'm coming from with my critique playing this week is the most athletic team we faced all year. God Almighty stretched his hand down from the heavens and gifted the team that we're playing this week with all the physical talent in the world. But their scheme is simple. They are not disciplined. And if we do the little things right, we'll beat them by third. Have to contain their quarterback. I mean, he can't throw the ball to save his life, but he's like a deer on roller skates. He's fast. He's slippery. He's quick. He's f I mean, my god, their entire offense.
Hey, Jamal, stand up for me. You guys know how Jamal, our starting running back's our fastest player. They're all Jamal. I cannot make it any clearer. Hey guys, on offense, our snap count's going to have a lot of variation this week, okay? Need to use your thinking caps.
Their Dline is prone to jump off sides.
They cannot hold their wire. Their defensive backs, they're going to hold you. A lot of defensive PI is going to be calling. You hear me? They are not a disciplined ball club. They're going to try to get a reaction out of you this week. I can already see it. Gonna be doing a lot of this, right? Going to give you a little shove after the play is over. Ignore it. Because if we do our job before long, they're going to be fighting each other. Just so you guys know, I'm not cutting the grass on the field this week. And we're doing wet ball Tuesday and Wednesday because I am running the sprinklers all the way up until game time. I'll tell them they malfunction or something. We are making this playing surface as slow as possible. There's no doubt about it.
They can beat us with their legs. If it turns into a track meet, we're going to lose. But we can beat them up here. All right, let's have a good week of practice. Let's go.
Just can't run things. Now, this is a very, very fundamental point in the international scene. See my point?
>> Oh, boy. You sure see it around this place.
>> Well, how Yeah, of course you do. You You see them. You know, I I have mixed feelings. I receive their ambassadors.
They change all the time. And I've had I love them. They're so kind and so nice.
And they're children.
>> Yeah.
>> Children, >> you know, >> and they always want something like children.
>> Oh, God. Yes, they want. What can you do? I I know. But what I meant is it's so childlike. The childlike faith and the child this and that. And of course, a lot of them are crooks, but we have crooks, too. Anyway, what I'm getting at is I think you've gotten the field of business, you've got the field of education, so but there are many other areas as you've well pointed out where they can beat the hell out of this now and they should be proud of those.
Athletics isn't a bad achievement. I mean, you look at the World Series for God's sakes and what would either of these teams done without what would Pittsburgh be without hell of a lot of blacks, huh? and and music, the dance.
Uh, now and these things are they are they to be therefore just pissed upon?
Hell no. They're important. And also also in certain areas, poetry, etc. They they have a free and easy style that is creates adds enormously to our culture.
But on the other hand, when you get to some of the more, shall we say, some of the more uh prof profound rigid disciplines, basically they had a hell of a time making it.
>> And Ed Brooke, for example, is an exception. You we've got to face it. in terms of good lawyers damn few good lawyers among any group but among in terms of good lawyers even though a lot of them go to law schools I mean it is not really their dish of tea >> so the first clip that I played obviously it was a comedy clip but it was you know he was pretending to be a white football coach talking about an upcoming game with a with a black team he said straight up they are more talented than us, but we're going to beat them by 30. This happens in football. This happens in basketball.
This even happens in soccer. As talented as the boys in Osho might be, like they can't mess with a European Premier League team, even though they're more athletic because it's about scheme, it's about personnel, it's about strategy and positioning. My argument and you know even goes to what Nixon was talking about. My argument is the ways that we have optimized ourselves as a people, the ways that our ancestors optimized us is inappropriate to meet Western or Eastern imperialism properly.
And I think the ways that we would need to change to meet these two forces appropriately might be ways that we're unwilling to adjust. So to the point that you've made like if we went you know if we appreciated the ancestors and then made the necessary adjustments then we would be I'm arguing that like I think we've appreci we've overly appreciated the ancestors which is why we're unwilling to incapable of making the necessary adjustments and I think the best that we end up doing is simply to another point that you made is simply the caricature of progress we're going to go to Western institutions and get educated. Burner Boy is proud because he won a Grammy. Um, this actor is proud because they won an Oscar, even though these are still white institutions validating quote unquote black excellence. So, I think I I I think what's necessary for us to do and what we're willing to do based on our appreciation of the ancestors are are diametrically opposed.
>> So, let me ask you a question. You said we're optimized for that um thing that the way that we've optimized we have actually optimized what how do you think that we've optimized our own those skills those things I think that I'm going to use a funny joke but you understand what I'm saying you know you know a common saying if if she get bread she go get ash if she get bread there there's there is um there's a cost benefit in nature. Like when you get this, you don't get the the athletic kid is probably not the smartest. The smartest is probably not athletic. Um and it's very rare for for somebody to have both.
So I think black people to to Nixon's point, we've optimized for harmony.
We've optimized for rhythm. We've optimized for, you know, spiritual connectiveness.
We've optimized for music, art, entertainment, etc. And I think that >> have we really >> I think so. And I think what we'd have to we'd have to sacrifice some of that >> to optimize for >> Give me an example of are you when you say because I disagree with that that's that what you just said.
>> Okay. When you say we have optimized for art and rhythm and stuff like that, right?
>> Mhm.
We have it because when you think about it, right, we the people who make it in some of all these things that you're talking, right, they had to either go into like that those you're talking about or like to get somebody who coach them on that this thing, right? Um, and you can see that them being good, they actually get better even at that art when some of things come into place, right?
>> They we did not we did not optimize that creativity.
>> No, we just tapped into another thing.
We optimize that creativity. Like there's two we have a natural optimize. Well, there's an illusionization because we're now in institutions that can recognize what we have.
We did not optimize it. That's the mistake that a lot of that's that's where we're we're going. If if we had optimized it and failed at it, yeah, that would have been a thing. Now the thing that I'm need we need to start to optimize it and then layer in that discipline and stuff or we can do that at the same time but we have to prioritize it. We have not optimized it.
There's an illusion of optimization.
People have a gift. Your gift is either just chilling there or it's part of a an institution that is already has recognized that thing, put monetary value to it and is going to capture you.
That's what we have >> in the sense of the team the the black team and the white team, right?
an optimized black team.
It's not the team with talent of somebody who is strong and can bully defenders, the defensive or running back who can run. That's not an optimized black. That's a black team with talent, right?
>> So, you can take that role and try >> Oh, no, no, no, no. That No, no, no.
That's not what I'm saying. No, no. When I say we've optimized uh for I'm not saying we've optimized it. I said we're optimizing for certain things. So to the to the athletic analogy, black kids right now, and a lot of coaches are talking about it, they're instead of working on their handles, they're just shooting threes. So they're optimizing their game to be a three-point shooter. Instead of learning the playbook, a lot of soccer players, a lot of football players are just trying to run as fast as they can and get as strong as they can. They're optimizing for strength and speed instead of the tactics and the strategy. The same thing goes in, you know, when we're critiquing women. We we talk about, you know, women just want a man who's tall, a man who is a little street. Now they're talking about where all my scamming dudes at.
They're optimizing for a generation of tall street scamming ass [ __ ] So that that that's what I'm talking about.
optimizing in in the sense that how do our priorities align us for certain outcomes later later down the line.
That's what I mean.
>> Okay. But think about it from a civilizational unit because we're not we're not going to be talking about individuals any longer, right? In the in the course of argument, it's it's a group, right?
>> So I have a group of five black and I can never get anybody else. These are all talented now. I can I teach them I can optimize for discipline.
>> Mhm.
>> Right. And play another team that does not have too much but is optimized for too and lose.
You get what I'm saying?
>> And lose.
>> Or I can do this. I can say, okay, you know what? I have four talented players.
I know discipline matters a lot with winning and talent also can matter because I have a shortest path towards like because I have a head start in talent right my central theology my philosophy for working with this kind of talented has to center the fact that it's a lot of talent I'm not going to train them like they're average. That's when discipline I would prioritize discipline.
It does not mean that I'm going to dep prioritize this. I'm not dep prioritizing it. We all know discipline is like one of the main things in this sport, right?
>> But the fact that I have I first have to recognize that I'm not working with average and I have to bake it into my strategy, but I have to even make it the center of my strategy.
So much so that now let me use soccer.
Let me use soccer. So I would now do this. I'll say you know what I have individual great players they struggle with teamwork right every Monday and Tuesday we're going to take a class on teamwork because that's actually going to it's a big definer.
>> But I'm going to I'm going to use the fact that I have individual grades to my greatest advantage. That would be my greatest advantage. Discipline becomes my second advantage. It's not even an advantage because talented people usually have this self-belief in themselves. So when they hold the ball, they might hold it for much longer.
That's just how it is. Now you they have to train the p the painful path towards discipline. But your advantage forever if you're stuck with those five players is always going to be their individual talent and but the way that you play it, the way you do that prioritization.
Yeah.
>> Now, you cannot prioritize discipline when you're going to play with a team whose talent quote unquote talent is actually disciplined. It's not going to be a talent. It's just because they've been first of all, if you don't have too much talent, you would you're already predosed to search for discipline.
>> It's hard for somebody to beat you doing that for a thousand years, right? But talent is a gift. You can work with talent. You can triple X talent. You can now add the 50% of discipline that can balance for it. But your strategy could be that I have four of these players attacking. I have one defense. I'm going to do it in such a way that the discipline side is going to be I'm going to be doing a lot of um wild cards to mess with your discipline because one thing about discipline, discipline operates on predictability. So if you're working on a talented side, you with a lot of unpredictability in your approach so that it messes up with the discipline of the other side. Now, you're not going to think like this if you don't factor into the consideration that you're dealing with highly talented people.
You have to first recognize what talent is before you even get there. For you to actually get what talent is, you have to do some research. If you default to discipline, you might actually be doing yourself a disservice.
working that not work anything you might not. So what my advocacy for here is not to throw away the need for discipline.
It's to center around that talent and continually try to like if you had to prioritize triple X the thing that you're already predisposed to being the best at then that loose end of discipline make it a weekly thing to always do it right which in this actual sense this life this current stage that we are in using AI to help with discipline security.
>> I I I think I think this very this is very interesting.
>> This this is very interesting because I I think we we I think we're walking together right now. I think where you know where I think there's opportunity to investigate is using your same analogy.
I would argue that it's far better to train your team to become unreliant on their talent. So to somehow forget their talent. I I'll give you I'll give you a different analogy.
You know, one of the things that, you know, I'm sure you found, me, I found, is sometimes fine girls are the worst behaved women.
And part of the reason they're so bad behaved or or poorly behaved is because they're fine.
So when when when she's fine, she's always going to have a date. She's got a sugar daddy. She's got his side [ __ ] She she she she's got the world at her feet. So there is no reason for her to improve her behavior. Whereas when you get to the girls, they're fine, but they're not too fine. Those are the ones that can, you know, they're malleable.
You can work with them because they're not relying on one natural skill. So, I say that to say if you're a man who is trying to turn, you know, a baddie into a into a housewife, I think for him to lean into the fact that she's a baddie, instead of leaning into her humanity, taking her away from, oh, I'm a baddie, I don't have to do this, and now building the the skills to keep a home, to cook, to clean, to know how to speak to a man, to know how to work with a man. I think that it's a mistake. Right? So, it's back to the team analogy. I don't think you start with leaning on your strengths. I think paradoxically, you start with actually divorcing yourself intellectually with your strengths and leaning entirely on your weaknesses, knowing that your strengths will always be there, but now you're playing the game >> not as or I I box. Let me use that that analogy. So, I box. I could punch pretty hard and I could go into the ring and try to just throw haymakers or I can set up shots knowing that at the right time the haymaker will come because I have the power. So when I'm training I'm not throwing heavy shots on the bag. I'm working on combinations, right? So I I I I think that's the challenge with with us as as Africans and as black people in in the diaspora. We are we think that leaning further into our strengths will will will compensate for our weaknesses instead of leaning away from our strengths like I talked about with rhythm, with all athleticism, with music, etc. and dedicating ourselves full time to our weaknesses. That that's that's I think that's where we're we're kind of we're on the same path, but we're kind of like this a little bit.
>> But I'll address that. the your analogy has the has not even taken into the consideration that you're catastrophically losing >> like you're not this is not a training match and this is not a oh I'm talking to this body and I have the best way to be right >> there's one continent in the world right now that needs dire help.
>> Sure.
>> And it's not left alone. It's not just left alone. They say, "Oh, Africa, figure it out." Oh, okay. Let me go work on my weaknesses and chill. As you're working on your weaknesses, you're under attack.
>> It's not like, "Oh, somebody's waiting for you to just be doing your own thing." No.
>> You get what I'm saying? The reason why you should lean the reason why you should lean on your strength more and I tell you that we're not even leaning on our strength. That's the first thing. So there's nothing to fail at because we're not we're just we just have the strength and we're using it. We're not leaning on it. We're not optimizing it. There's nothing there's no such optimization going on. That's just the truth about the matter. We have it. It's obvious.
It's more obvious because you have athletic commission, ICC, Olympics, Grammy Awards, and stuff like that.
We're not optimizing it. It's not like you have the highest amount of music training schools in Lagos as we're speaking or something. It's not like it's not like you have sprinting schools in in in Lagos that you you can you know West Africans have this thing in the back of their heel that is better. It's not like they have optimizing will be every if you go to Lagos every street you see a athletic trainer that will be optimizing not not team not team player thing but at least teaching >> sprinting because sprinting is the talent yeah you get what I'm saying it's not like what there's nothing that Africa is doing to optimize their so that's And we're what we're doing is what you we're optimizing.
But the thing about it is layered education is our weakness, right? Because our our environment made us to be vast in knowledge and be picking things here and there. But we have now been trained in school to go to school and study chemics full stop. We're optimizing our weaknesses. It has not gotten us anywhere. Is it's not because optimizing weaknesses is wrong, but you're not optimizing strength. We are not doing that.
>> There's an illusion that we're doing it because we're more recognized more people are. But if you just like Nixon said, they're recognizing this thing.
All the examples he gave are part of a formalized team. Pitchbox Steelers. They already had rules and then they put us in there.
You get what I'm saying? It's not like it's just this how they I mean they've not optim I'm advocating for the optimization but the thing about it I'm saying when you have to now interact with people who have optimized their strength strength or your new weaknesses right your greatest advantage at that time does not it's not not your weakness or how well you can optimize it. Your greatest advantage is how well you can optimize your strengths while working on your weaknesses.
>> Because by time you optimize your strengths and you're working on those weaknesses, right, it kind of like puts you at an advantage when you're interacting with these folks because they might be working on their own weaknesses which is your strength. And now you now have a way at which there's a chance with which you can get an upper end but you're formalizing it by using that subcomponent of formalizing to break it down like an analy and all those other things that's your >> you're just using it but you're con like in the in the sense of a team it would be like a black a black team who understands that okay and I I'll give you an analogy If you I don't know whether you follow like soccer, right?
>> Oh yeah.
>> English Premier League has a style of play that let's say everybody let's say you you mute the volume of your mic and you don't have the names of the clubs on there. You don't know anybody and you just play it. You could tell the difference between an English >> Premier League, Italian league, >> right?
That's because their philosophy has gone in there. The Italian league has a lot of the body contact is a thing, right?
And they, you know, you know, body contact, they don't, the referees don't even blow that much as well, >> right? And they actually have a style of play. It's kind of like they're fighting. You know, somebody hold the ball, it passes, and it goes, but English is more like flowing, passing, but it's not even as flowy as the Spanish.
>> Yes. the Spanish football the passes are short short short long passes and before you know they're in your goal post this are the philosophy now every of this thing has has has prioritized their own strength and then everybody's still passing in all leagues it's just a different style everybody's still going towards they still have this discipline stuff but they they um try to do now in France France league has been said to has some type of individualism. Right now, as I'm speaking to you, PSG >> is backto back Champions League finalist to number one this thing. Not because they optimized to look more like the English teams, which looks more attractive to even look at on the Spanish team, but because they optim for the black players.
M m >> for a long time there's more there's been a lot of black players in the in the well it's not it's not the center of the thing but it's part of it has become part of their philosophy because of French colonial history and you know black players traditionally being in in that part of the this thing they've seen that you know black players are kind of like this individual so they they it baked it into the strategy strategy is like this right you don't know what that guy is going to do So even if you form all your discipline stuff, you you'll be very free flowing, but when you when they throw a wild card, you just get confused.
>> Yeah.
>> You get what I'm saying? But they it kind of like optimized based on the strength of some particular thing. But the thing is it takes a group of people.
It takes a school because some of the they have a school of thought. School of thought, right? But the school of thought the school doesn't just start from the school of thoughts. It's not like oh this is a thought school. Let's just No. They got to go back back back back back back to get a juice and then start to think around it. You're supposed to take an African idea, however primitive you call it, and assume that the people that came up with this idea, they had no choice but to think about it because they were just stuck in that village with animals everywhere assessing them. Then you're now supposed to build around the thoughts and start to build things, build a philosophy and build and >> put sophistication on that philosophy and that becomes your strength. You don't just go and carry some from another place and now because it's so clean and sophisticated and strategy just download it for your PDF and start living that. You get what I'm saying?
this you have to go back >> to your ancestors and get that juice and then now layer on on top of it which is still the same thing me saying that you have to start off from your strength but not ignore the weaknesses.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean I I I I actually agree with you. I think that's that's a fantastic point. I think my fear is that some of our quoteunquote strengths are counterproductive, right? So using the using the time >> they're not counterproductive if >> they're counterproductive as is.
>> Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure.
>> Sure.
>> Yeah.
>> Why you part of >> we are part of the civilization, >> right? A lot of people think well so African philosophy is not it's not um deep enough. You part of African philosophy you are supposed to put something on it.
>> Sure.
>> You get what I'm saying?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Sure.
>> Like I I think I think I think that's the challenge.
>> That's the that's the challenge. I think you have to you have to compete with African diversity. So there is no one African philosophy. the ways Nigerians see things and the ways Ethiopians see things completely. Even the ways Eurobas and Ebos see things completely. So there's no centralizing African philosophy. That's one of the things we have to compete with.
>> Is a philosophy too.
>> Say say it again.
>> Moralism like the the existence of many philosophies by itself. It's a philosophy by its own.
>> Sure. So it it can it segus into democracy which is another central philosophy for diversity right so it's part of that philosophy that's why representative government is actually a thing it's it's it's the government that would do well right but centralized government dictatorship will usually set the way but it can't last no long dictators last in Africa for long it's very >> important that sometimes it has is there because it brings fast development but you not it's not going to be extend it's not going to something that will just be a default just because of how those systems are in general but the thing about it is if you look at the stories that they tell in Ethiopia and you compare to the stories they tell in Kenya and you compare to the stories they tell in Nigeria there's there's a lot of differences but there's a there's there's a lot there's a lot of sameness There's a lot of sameness. There's values that are shared.
>> Sure.
>> Those I would say I would say I would say that's not unique to Africa. You know, they have the the Noah's flood story. Then you have the epic of Gilgamesh.
There there there are certain stories in in African mythology. even you know the the Euroba pantheon inspired the Greeks and and and the um the Romans with with with with their deities. Amada and Zeus are the same person. One is black, one is white. So my my I guess my my hesitation is I think I agree with you.
For instance, we need to have like soccermies in Nigeria. We need to have sprintingmies in Nigeria. We need to have an oil refinery. I know Dangote just created an oil oil oil refinery, but like when you talk about leaning on your strengths, that's what I think of.
However, I think that the challenge with >> having to contend with the posture of the west and the east is that a lot of the ways that are quote unquote authentic to us, for instance, our concept of time, for instance, our concept of uh business >> camaraderie >> in in in some ways um are either counterproductive ive or unsustainable to meet our opposition. And I think that in a perfect world, we can like get rid of this while still keeping this.
But I think in the real world, we're going to have to get rid of some things that we like to prepare ourselves for the opposition.
>> I agree. We we definitely have to tweak some of those things. But you can't tweak what you don't know. We have not known it. We have not documented it. We have not we're not That's why I'm saying we got to go back. You get what I'm saying? Like you can't we're just we're just figuring we're just moving and trying to figure things out. Just firefighting basically. We have not done the work that most civilization do before they actually progress.
what I'm saying they they've not done the work that other civilization have done before they progress they need to go back to history and >> put every down and then start doing the tinkering to even do the tinkering first you have to multiple centers just like you said because there different groups right there there many I've done some of the work so I know that there's some overlapping uh things right and some things that we call culture are just a cake and they're like particular to people who every if you look at everybody's culture you're going to see it right that you know time management was is not uniquely African it's unique to some places also that has some tropic things whether you you check it right but >> there are many things that we with being African that are just basically >> ancient humans You get what I'm but that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that there's also some first of all human beings we're all the same. We're all one big family. So we can learn from everybody else. But the only thing is there are some things that your environment has predisposed you to and some other things that you predisposed to that if you don't learn it, you do a disservice and you probably always be painful to you as a group.
And also if you don't learn it, you would not be able to compete because and the number one proof of that just checking the countries that have made it. Most countries that have made it did not just make it the English way or the French way or the this way. They made it their way and the French way.
Their way and English way. like there's a core.
You get what I'm saying? You you have to play the advantage.
>> You get what I'm saying? You are in Nigeria now. You have diversity and a lot of things cut across many things.
Diversity of genetics also goes into diversity of plants.
Nigeria has one of the most biodiverse plants ecosystem in the world. Brazil too, right? But these things most almost 100% of clothes of medication comes from plants and many of the plants in Nigeria have curative properties and that's one of the least sampled plant samples the world. They're supposed to be plant what they call study plants per capita >> botney. Botney.
>> You're supposed to have >> botney.
>> What?
>> I think it's called >> botney. Right.
>> Botney. Yeah. Capital Nigeria and and Congo and some of those countries to have had highest amount of botist in the world if they were developing using their strengths.
They're supposed mineral engineers or mineral scientists in mineral producing countries in the world if you were to be developing in your strengths.
You get what I'm saying? But more lawyers and doctors and [ __ ] this than anybody in there more lawyers in Nigeria than in some other in some European country just be law studying things that are not immediately needed. They're needed but they're not immediately because you because of the four sense to compete. The first thing you got to understand who we compete with. You get what I'm saying? You have to you have to develop in direction of your needs and if you have to direct uh develop in of your needs then you have to determine what your needs are.
Needs are not wants. if you think to be a need >> to have transcended generations.
>> Yeah. And there there's a there's a certain level of um honesty that's necessary. I I want to play this clip and then I'll I'll ask you a question that I I think I asked before and then uh we we'll close out. Let me let me play this. It's interesting.
Hey Okay.
Okay.
Okay. Okay.
All right. So my question is how will our personality need to change for us to have the appropriate posture um to progress the continent forward?
How will our personal the African personality how will that need to change?
>> First question where African personality come because what we currently have what we just watched the pseudo pseudo African personality personality that we right now the personality that is associated with the African person is not the same that was associated with the Afric even our parents our grandparents behave differently than us completely almost like a 360. You can imagine what the parents before they were doing, right? Um the need the the the craving of not craven the craving the the craving of the need to show wealth was never really a thing, right?
But what the thing that would I say with like a Nigerian way is like they want to show Gucci and do all those things.
Wasn't really right. it it wasn't really too much of a thing in many cultures have a pseudo personality crisis and one of one of the reasons that Africans that also they're disconnected from that's the good part of the ancestor that we needed to have taken like a juice and then layer it on with other things by them you connect back to some of the things that were originally you don't end up you don't because what we have now this thing that We're noticing with the African person mostly Nigerians want to be honest Nigerian and some of those other people here where it's kind of like you know chains and girls and all those things. It's not necessarily an African culture per se.
It's a there there's some of those component that came from actually doing things the opposite way of what was traditionally done right in back in in those centuries right I'm not saying I'm not romantizing past African cultures they had really bad some things were real bad that's not what I'm saying so it's not like I'm saying this particular one but in general what we need to start to get back to is and I keep saying this. Why? Because it it would start from there, right? If you go back to your ancestors and see the things that they were trying to teach, which is you have to see yourself as connected to another person, right? By the time you see yourself as connected to another person, intense display of wealth becomes unnecessary because you're not just celebrating your life, you're celebrating your life amongst others. So other people not having money seems to affect you more than the usual. So you won't want to be rubbing things up in their faces like that. That's going to change. Number two also that that's the connectedness that you need to be.
Number two is that you have to see your life as a contin as a chapter in a story. By the time you see your life as a chapter in a civilizational story, right? You no longer see yourself as alone and I got when I succeed I did this for me and my family and it ch it it changes your attitude towards things like this. You don't there's not there's a way that you carry yourself that you you would just feel like okay you're part of which is that ancestral fage too. You see yourself as part of like a continuation of a story. You don't just see yourself by yourself and alone right and this is where I see a lot of people just completely disconnected from that uh uh uh thing.
Number three is we have as Africans need to go back to we used to be which is masters of contextual knowledge.
It should be just new stuff around there. So instead of you to know everything in the whole world know where you are. Know what you are. know what that thing that you that you that is your thing and then operate out of that knowledge. Right? By the time we start to to get some of these things here, especially these three, you would see us moving towards that pro black stance doesn't necessarily just become out I just want to be pro black. It's the there it pro black is kind of like it's a defensive spirit.
What I'm advocating more is kind of like centered in there and then you're prohuman.
You're centered black and you have something to bring to the table that's uniquely yours. It does not >> it's not competing with any other ideology. It's not saying that oh I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to do my weaknesses. You get what I'm saying?
>> It's like I come from this world. this is what we have to offer to the humanity table.
It just happens that you know that thing you would be able to use it a defense against him. You get what I'm saying?
>> Yeah. Yeah. No, that's that's a really good point. Um God, we've been talking for almost three hours. Listen, I want to appreciate you.
Th this has been a fantastic conversation. I got some things I need to think about. Um, we'll we'll try to do we'll try to do another one if if you know your your schedule permits. But, uh, did you have any final thoughts?
Anything you feel like you didn't you didn't get out.
>> Um, I just want to say that man, it's been a very it's been a pleasure talking to you. Um, you're one of the people that I've admired online and your way of delivery of messages.
I like your I like your spirit and I just want to say that I also have a school right it's called Saged Labs and it's basically an AI school as well uh teaching AI I have a summer program and all those things but what I did too is to also try to not divorce historical context text epistemology.
Epistemology is how knowledge systems actually came into being, right? And everything from intelligence. So artificial intelligence I want to say that you know people need to be to to to get back to history to learn where they are and connect their current existence to what was and what will be. Right? So those are the kind of things that we we link we try to use to link also to AI principles and AI technology and technology in general. Uh and I want you know everybody to be to go go and and and you know check that out but also be committed to being original in context of everything that we've discussed.
>> I think I think that will be the message.
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>> I was going to say we're running we're running a summer um program for 8 to 14 year old kids. Um the idea is or is it um virtual?
>> It's all remote. It's all remote. Okay.
>> So, you you don't have to be on location. Yeah. If you if you have a child within the age of 8 to 14 and you're confused about what their future is going to look like and you just want them to be prepared for like an AI future, that's the program that we set up for that. So we use the idea is we use we use stories to teach it but at every point of that story we inject the AI principles and how AI thinks and think before you use AI and how you can think along with AI. So it really gets them to because we're going through crazy transition, right? A lot of people don't understand that it's a crazy transition that we're going. It's kind of like your your child is actually in a very funny place, but now basically growing in this age. So they have to be able to not outsource their brains to chip and co-pilot and all those things, but they also have to predispose.
So that's the that's the whole idea of that program.
some coding at the end, right? But for the most part, it's is tailored towards um kids and early teens.
>> Absolutely. Again, thank you.
>> You said say that last part again. I'm sorry, they cut out.
>> No, I say June 15th start.
>> Absolutely. So, you guys check that out if you're interested. Again, I want to thank you again, brother. And uh yeah, man. Enjoy your weekend. Yes, sir. Enjoy your weekend and we'll talk soon.
You sir. All right, family. We have reached the end of another hopefully thoughtprovoking stream. Um, please, um, hit the like button if you haven't already. Um, for those of you who sat through the entire conversation, I want to thank you again. I want to introduce more philosophical conversations on this channel. Um, we'll still talk about the male female stuff, but um, hopefully from a more philosophical introspective angle rather than just, you know, being antagonistic towards one another. Um, uh, thank you guys for watching. Like, subscribe, follow us on Instagram, on Facebook if you haven't already, and um, I'll see you next time. Peace.
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