CRISIS: Kyle Whittingham WARNS Utah Utes, Big 12, and College Football of Future NIL Challenges

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[00:00:01]Kyle Whittingham has been saying a lot of crazy things this off season, but for once I finally agree with something he just mentioned.

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[00:00:26]Hello everyone, I'm JT Wisteril and thank you for making Locked on You first listen and view of the day. Excited to be joined by KSL Sports's Alex Napoulos.

[00:00:34]On today's show, we're going to talk about one of the top returners for this Utah men's basketball team. You may not remember what he did last year, but that's cuz he was injured. If healthy, he's going to be that guy come this fall/winter.

[00:00:46]Also, 76 field. March Mand is expanding.

[00:00:49]It's actually good for Utah, but I I don't love it. But first, we're going to talk some Kyle Whittingham in a moment.

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[00:01:15]So, we've been discussing a lot what our former head coach has been saying, but this is not about Utah, but will have a massive effect on Utah in the entirety of the sport. According to on three, Kyle Whittingham said predicts that 12 to 15 schools will have $50 million rosters after the 2027 recruiting cycle.

[00:01:33]He's right, Alex. There are several schools that were reported as much as 40 million. Give it a year from now. In a world where it only goes up, the cap, the money, all those things. Think about what NBA players make now versus 5 years ago. NFL, MLB, whatever it may be, that it always is rising, the tide when it comes to compensating teams, players, rosters, all the things of that nature.

[00:01:52]I totally agree with Kyle. I genuinely think the top 12 to 15 brands in this sport are going to need to fork over $50 million, especially he's at Michigan.

[00:01:59]He's seeing it up close. So, I think he knows what he's talking about here >> 100%. And and you know when I when I hear that comment and and I hear the 15 to 20 teams I immediately think of the Michigan, the Ohio States, the uh you know the Alamas, the Bluebuds, the guys who are always in the college football playoff and the teams who are always you know positioning themselves to be in the conversation for national champions and and he's absolutely right. I think, you know, you're already seeing uh a lot of rosters that are I don't know if over inflated is the word, but definitely rosters on there that of teams that are throwing in a lot of money to build the rosters and build successful rosters.

[00:02:33]And uh and you know, Ohio State immediately comes to mind as one of the teams with the highest spending. And so, it's going to keep going up. It's going to keep going up until somebody decides to step in and um and actually decides to do something about it. I know that the the national commission is trying to uh make changes so that way college sports um look different in the future, but as of right now when there's no rail guards, when there are no safeguards, when there's nothing that's saying, "Hey, you cannot do this." Teams are going to be willing and I think happy to spend money on as much money on the roster to make sure that they have the best and the most competitive roster in order to position themselves to win that national championship.

[00:03:08]>> That's true. Is Utah one of them? Not in the 12 to 15. Kyle Whittingham said he didn't name Utah specifically, but let's just be real. Utah is not one of the 12.

[00:03:16]Utah's been known for doing more with less. That's what we've always been impressed with Utah. Oh my gosh, how did this group of two and three stars beat four and five star Oregon, right? And I know Utah had some four and five stars when they won their or more four stars when they won the Pack 12 title, but bear with me. Same thing for USC next year. Utah always underrecruiting and developing guys helping them reach their max potential. It has never been for the most part big dog Utah has transitioned a little bit in the Big 12, right? one down year, but back on top this last year. Besides, I think in the Pack 12, they were the little dog. They're not one of the 12 to 15 highest brand schools that's going to raise 50 million year-over-year. And Kyle actually said there are a few schools that can weather this storm, but not many. So, it's already unsustainable for most schools, and it's only going to get more so until we come up with a model that provides some guard rails that work for everyone.

[00:03:59]We can talk about more of those comments in a moment, Alex, but I I got to imagine you feel the same way I do. I mean, there's a reason Utah's trying to do this ultra capital deal. Utah is not one of those 12 to 15 schools that Kyle mentioned that's going to be 50 million year after year.

[00:04:10]>> No, unfortunately not. And I think that's just the reality of it, JT, is the fact that I think a large majority of the Big 12 schools are not in that conversation and a large majority of the um I would even dare to say a lot a big chunk of the ACC schools are probably not in that conversation. There are obviously like the Miamiis who can probably fork over um and and have a roster to that extent, but I think for the most part the ACC and the Big 12 uh they have to do something to uh to make sure they don't fall behind. They are power four conferences by name. But I think obvious I think right now you're if if there is no guard rolls and if there is nothing stopping teams from pumping in $50 million into building a championship winning roster, then I think it can easily end up becoming the p uh the power two um over over the power four, which is something obviously the Big 12 doesn't want.

[00:04:55]>> Yeah. I mean, Texas Tech right now I think could get to 50. I I think BYU actually I I after what BYU was pulled with keeping Satake over Penn State, I really think they could get there. Utah need I think Utah just based on what we've seen needs the otro capital in order to get to that standpoint too and I love that Kyle mentioned it's an unsustainable model for most schools and even some of those top schools the Ohio states of the world I mean even 10 years from now maybe that this will be the new norm but like yearover-year 50 million more and more I hope there's some way to get guard rails on this because for those of you that think that this is off the rails the only and I tend to lean that way somehow someway the NCA did find a way to shut down the spring transfer portal. There was no spring transfer portal. I didn't think they were going to be able to do it, Alex. I thought we were going to see movement.

[00:05:44]We've seen none.

[00:05:45]>> So maybe, just maybe, there actually is hope that they can put the Genie back in the bottle in some measure. Yes, we and we No, I'm not saying don't compensate players. We want players compensated.

[00:05:54]But can we re in $50 million rosters year-over-year? I just I think that's going to damage college campuses. The other I think we're going to see more and more other athletic programs shutting down to try and fund football.

[00:06:05]And that is to me where everyone really loses.

[00:06:08]>> Absolutely. And I mean, you already hear the convers I mean, just looking at it from the donor perspective, right? And the people who who bring in the money and for people who who put money into these programs, you're already hearing the conversation all the time about donor fatigue and and what really is the return in investment for people who consistently uh, you know, help out athletics and help out uh college football programs specifically um and and and begin to pump in money. But I think you're right. there needs to be some sort of guards because you can't have I know I know football is the biggest money maker and I know everything everything kind of runs through football in the college uh sports landscape but uh they're you know you can't sacrifice other sports um I feel like for the for the competitive for the fairness of other athletes right who maybe aren't necessarily football players uh right what what's what happens to the baseball players what happens to the the track stars what happens to all those people if um if decisions are made where colleges decide to pull those sports and those athletic programs specifically to funnel money into football. Um, and so there needs to be some sort of guardrail. There needs to be some sort of I don't know, dare I say salary cap coming in to to help teams make sure that they're not this doesn't become the new norm and this doesn't damage college sports more than uh I think at this point already has.

[00:07:22]>> It is already a ton. I mean, we've seen the Marshes of the World shut down their swim program.

[00:07:26]>> Is this why like is Utah football's funding the reason that Utah shut down their beach volleyball program? I don't think so. But that's just another example of times are changing in college athletics and a program gets cut and I just don't want to see more of that and the more the football price increases.

[00:07:42]And I am not an idiot. I know as we all do that football is the primary money maker for pretty much every institution.

[00:07:49]It's basketball a little bit, but it's mostly football that drives the mothership that is a college athletic department. But just because that is the case and just because most of you who watch this podcast are probably mostly just Utah football and Utah basketball fans doesn't mean I want the softball program, the swim program, the ski program, the gymnastics program. I think gymnastics should be okay, but these other programs that would have to shut down if the price just continues to go up. It's just a numbers game eventually and it's a dangerous number game that I hope we never ever ever reach. Speaking of numbers going up, number of teams in the NCA tournament just went up. I'm not a fan, but it's probably actually good for Utah. We'll tell you what we're talking about in a moment.

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[00:09:36]Thank you guys again for making locked ones your first listening view of the day. Hey, want to remind all of you locked on Utes Everyday or Club is live and available. Head over to lockdownutes.supcast.com or click on the episode description wherever you are listening to this podcast. To get more locked on you featuring a Discord chat, myself, other Utah fans talking ball. Also, you can send in Q&A's on there that get answered live on this show and add free audio version of this podcast when you head over to lockdown youth supercast or click that episode description below to learn more. today. Alex Napoulos, the Utah men's basketball team has been in a long drought for making the NCA tournament going on uh just about over 10 years now. We'll have the 2027 tournament next year. That 2017 team was the last time and since it's been goose eggs for Utah and men's basketball appearances, it's about to get a little easier for Utah to make the field on the men's side. The women's team barely missed out this year. They've made it several times, but both NCA men's and women's basketball fields are expanding.

[00:10:29]Field of 68 is going to 76. This is good for Utah anytime. There's more seats on the roller coaster, allows you to get on quicker, gives you more of an opportunity. Good for Utah. Bad for the sport though that we are going to let teams in my opinion with lackluster records. I mean, the 76th place team, and I understand that it's not exactly because we have the mid- major champs and all the things of that nature. But at the end of the day, the 76 team gets to have a shot at competing for it all.

[00:10:54]We're just It's just too much for me, Alex. I don't like it. Even if I think it's good for Utah.

[00:10:58]>> Absolutely. Uh and I think I'm right there with you, man. I think from the Utah perspective, uh, they I think the timeline shrinks a little bit for Alex Jensen as far as when they when you should expect and when you should be expiring to make the tournament, right?

[00:11:14]Because now the field is expanded. Um, it it will probably be a little bit better for you to get in, but you're still in the Big 12 and you have to be competitive in the Big 12 in order to make the tournament. So, there's still work that needs to be done from Alex Jensen's pers from the Utah basketball perspective and what Alex Jensen can do in turning around this program. Um and and expanding the field definitely helps out a lot with having more seats at the table. However, now looking at from the national perspective, it's all about the money, right? We were just talking about in the last uh in the last little portion. Everything's all about the money now. And so you follow where the money goes and if you can put more games on TV and expand the TV deals um and pump in more money to programs that way, then then I think uh the SEC schools and the Big 10 schools are all for it.

[00:11:52]Ultimately though, I think it comes down I mean a perfect example of this this past year was Auburn and their exclusion of the field and and how they were pushing really really hard for them to make it in. And I think ultimately this is for those Auburn teams. This is for those lackluster midtable SEC teams that probably that that that you know are going to make their argument for being in. And so this is a lot more seeds for the Big 10 in the SEC to get their teams in and and for TVs uh the TV deals to get a little bit more money. But at the end of the day, that's that's what it's about. I'm not a fan. I think if you're going to expand the tournament, uh I think there should be more opportunity for deserving mid- majors teams to make it in over the SEC teams and the Big 10 teams uh that are lackluster. But but here we are and it's I think at the end of the day, it's ultimately going to go to the uh the power four schools.

[00:12:40]>> Auburn men's basketball this past season, 22-6 overall, 7-11, under 500 in conference play. one of my favorite stats for them. They were one and six in February.

[00:12:51]>> Yeah.

[00:12:52]>> And this wasn't even last year's SEC, which actually they were really good and they were one seed and it was like, wo is me Auburn. We just want to get in the field. Like why? Like we have to let them in. I mean, seriously. You said it's a money thing. I think it's keeping because you just mentioned Auburn's happy. So who's happy? The SEC and the Big 10. Yeah. Drive everything. But it's just frustrating because as I said, like I'm glad Utah making the NCA tournament is good for Utah. If they make it as a 74th team, am I going to necessarily feel like that season was a success? I mean, I'm sure future JT will start locked on use with a hey, this is awesome that Utah was at least in the dance, but at the end of the day, like if they're the 74th team, is that really is it really that impressive of a feat?

[00:13:36]That that's where I just wish they weren't expanding it, Alex. And I I'll be happy for Utah if they make it in, but I mean they got a long way to go till they're I mean even if the team filled with 76, they would have only been in a handful of times over the past decade. That's how dreadful the overall the men's basketball success has been just for Utah. Keeping it real.

[00:13:51]>> Absolutely. But like I said, I think that it kind of shortens up the uh the window of when you can be when the goal uh for the program should be to make it into the tournament because now you have more seats at the table. And so, uh, Alex Jensen, I think instead of expecting, you know, to try to make it into the tournament in the next, uh, 3 to four years, you can shrink down that to probably two to three years, and then we can have a conversation about how Alex Jensen is truly doing. But, >> uh, at the end of the day, they're expanding it for, uh, for the money.

[00:14:18]They're expanding it for the TV contracts. They're expanding it to to to have more inventory. And then uh you know I I've seen a lot of people trying to make the argument online that uh Auburn should have been in over Miami Ohio and you probably would have had a much better game against Tennessee where Miami Ohio gets uh uh gets gets bounced and blown out by by Tennessee. And I think that's where ultimately the argument is for the 78 uh or excuse me for the 76 and and it's to again uh accommodate those uh lackluster SEC teams.

[00:14:48]>> Don't do that. Don't say 78. They might hear you. They might Is that two more in there?

[00:14:54]>> They might.

[00:14:54]>> Let's just keep going. And and I understand that argument. Auburn might have beat Miami, but I felt and I think you I don't know how you felt on that debate like who deserve to be in. I felt like Miami earned the opportunity with an undefeated regular season to be in that field. And they did beat an SMU team, too. Yes, they lost to what I also say was ended up being a pretty dang good Tennessee team, right? Was a a loss away from the Final Four, I believe. I think they got they got trounced by I want to say Arizona. Maybe I'm I'm misplaying that or but either way, like still a solid team, but they earned the right to be there. Anyways, uh for Utah, it's exciting that it's expanded. You already mentioned the timeline like maybe instead of three to four years, it's two to three. I think we both agree one thing, Alex, just on paper. And we'll talk about a key return in another segment. I don't see this Utah men's basketball team making a field to 76 next season. Do you?

[00:15:39]>> No, not not next season. And you that's not to discredit I think Alex Jensen and the work that he's done in the transfer portal because I think that there are some interesting names that are coming in.

[00:15:48]>> Um but because of the way the season ended for Utah and because of how poor, you know, overall they were in conference play, uh I need to see more before I can believe them to start making it into the tournament.

[00:16:00]Obviously, if we head into the next season and these guys end up being fantastic, phenomenal players and Utah's in a conversation for being a mid, you know, in the middle of the pack of the of the of the Big 12, then that's a whole different conversation. But I need to see it first and I need to see how this team translate onto the court and to see if they are better and if they can be competitive in the Big 12 before I can even make that assumption of them making it into next year's uh field of 76. But uh again, I think in the in the next two to three years, it should be something that this program should be it should be the bar and it should be the goal of saying, "Hey, we can make it into the 76 field."

[00:16:32]>> Yeah. Utah's got a long mountain to climb for to switch to football. Arizona State went worse to first one year.

[00:16:39]There's not a world where this Utah men's basketball team does that this upcoming season in the Big 12. It's just too hard with the position they're in and the totality and strength of what the other teams in this conference are.

[00:16:50]And let's also forget like what Kenny Dillingham did flipping that roster.

[00:16:53]They were in a better spot. Utah is turning over their roster, but they aren't adding the guys capable yet of competing with a Houston on a game in and game out basis. Anything can happen on a single night. But there's just not consistent enough talent for me to be able to do it. But I do feel like I'm really hoping by year three, and if not year three, should be year four. Right, Alex? That they they find a way in this thing. At least if you look at the progression of the ladder, this was a learning year. Alex Jensen was by the end of the season he was saying the right things. He knows what the issues are with this team. I still trust him to get it figured out. Do you?

[00:17:24]>> Absolutely. I mean that confidence is still in Alex and Alex Jensen there. I mean he hasn't done or said anything to make me think otherwise that the confidence isn't there that he can turn it around. Uh he has the passion for being a Utah man, right? And I think you know for everything that we applaud Morgan Scally for and the you know him saying everything right at his press conferences about how he's a Utah man.

[00:17:43]The same thing can be said about Alex Jensen, right? Um, and so I think until uh, you know, maybe I still think it'll be a couple years before he can truly turn this this program around, uh, truly turn this team around. But, uh, the question is, of course, how how long is that leash and how long how much time can you give Alex Jensen before he can turn it around?

[00:18:02]>> Yeah, he was the guy that everyone wanted. Didn't go well this year. Still believe, but got to start to progress better.

[00:18:09]>> Exactly.

[00:18:10]>> To remain the guy. We'll be curious to see how they get there. Thankfully, they are getting back a big piece that was supposed to be part of the team success last year. Just had a delay at a year, but he should help Utah men's basketball improve right away this fall.

[00:18:29]Babacarf is officially back with the running youths. He'll be spending his sixth year with Utah. The Western Kentucky transfer, 69, 230 lbs. Had to red shirt due to a season ending injury before the season even started. and he actually suffered a seasoning injury the year before Western Kentucky playing in just 10 games. But in that single in that small sample, his 24-25 season with Western Kentucky, he did average 15 points per game, 7.8 rebounds. The year before, too, average 7.8 points per game on an NCA tournament team. This was supposed to be Utah's starting center.

[00:19:01]Um, had the chemistry with their lead point guard, too, whose name I can't believe I just blanked on next to Don McHenry. Uh, Don McHenry. They had the chemistry from the year before. He's supposed to be a big part. The Utah The Utah did a bad job of not having a backup plan for when he got hurt because the rest of the center rotation was not in a good spot. But it was really But Fay is a guy I was excited about this time last year. Maybe a tad unders sized at 69 versus some of the sevenfooters that he's going to see in this conference, but I like what his game is and I think he makes this Utah team better. Alex, what say you?

[00:19:28]>> Uh, I like what his game is, too. And I think, you know, you learned in the tournament this past season, one of my biggest takeaways from the NCA tournament this past year was the fact that uh bigs are very important in college basketball. And if you have a really good big, you have a really good shot in the tournament. And if you have a really effective big, you can make a deep run in the tournament. And so, uh, this kind of goes back to to that. Uh, for me, it kind of goes back to that in Utah needs some bigs. And this is a big who can potentially change some things, uh, both offensively and defensively for Utah. I think in the uh you know in the modern college basketball era, you need a big who can screen, a a big who can roll, a big who can rebound, a big who can uh give you some good production offensively without necessarily clogging up the the paint. And uh I'm curious to see if they can bring that to uh this basketball program this next season.

[00:20:18]>> Yeah, I am too. And you make a great point on the bigs. We see different trends as the game of basketball as every sport does. It just grows and evolves. I saw a clip of George Gervin the other day, the Iceman. Uh someone asked him like what would you score in today's game and he was like man these guys are all way too athletic for me which I as much as I love when the when the legends talk about like hey like I could go in and dominate right now for the most part they would struggle because athletes grow they progress they get better and also the games grow they change guys get bigger stronger faster for what you were talking about every team who made the final four had a really good center and in some ways their best some of those teams their best player maybe even a center um you look at a team like a Yukon uh their center was playing I'm just blank out his He's playing really good down the stretch. Boozer, player of the year for men's basketball. They actually just missed out on the final four. I just realized they lost to that Yukon team, but still right there. Michigan had Mara who should be a top 10 pick, right?

[00:21:08]Arizona had the big center who caused was a thorn in in everyone's size, right? And even Illinois had some really strong center play as well. So, you do need good center play and I think Fay can be a really good piece for this running youth team. When you look at the size, when you look at the ability to rebound to little bit of a scoring flash, how does that translate to the P4 level and what will he look like coming off the injury? I think it's fair to wonder that. But because of how long ago he was hurt, I do feel like that gives him more time not just to rehab, but train, continue to grow and get better.

[00:21:34]And honestly, we'll see how what happens come training camp, I do expect him to be a starter with this team, Alex, because I do think his rebounding, the tenacity he brings, and the physicality inside is something Alex Jensen team needs come 26.

[00:21:47]>> Absolutely. And he was showing good signs at Western Kentucky before he unfortunately went down with injury. And so I think that's the biggest question for me right now, JT, is uh his ability to get back on on the court. And I mean, you're going to miss a step that you missed out on a whole season. You've been out injured for a while. And so uh maybe not missing us uh you know, being back a step as much as uh you know, as much as um not being behind too much, but being able to and and and of course being able to get your feet under you quickly. Uh and figuring out how to um how to be a big in the Big 12. That's going to be a challenge within itself.

[00:22:18]and uh if he can come in and and start off the season hot, then I think that's a massive boost for Utah for the Utah men's basketball team.

[00:22:25]>> Speaking of Utah men's basketball team, I think this team is better than last year. I like the way the pieces fit together better. I will say I was feeling really good about how the transfer portal started. And I haven't talked about this a ton on the show even when we were landing Hulcom and Yakov, the guard from Israel, who's actually balling out in the G- League. I hope he doesn't go pro. He's he's so good. I I think he's going to be Utah's league scorer. We'll see on that cuz he balled out at the G- League combine. Um was Kato was actually on his team. The former BYU big funy transition there. Um you got Bur coming over Horizon League defensive player of the year. Like that too. Chapman I think an intriguing guard out of Ohio State. It still feels like this team's missing pieces to me Alex. I I I thought they had a nice like didn't start do a ton middle heated up then nothing. I I still think there needs to be some additions here because right now we could be looking at a bottom I don't think we look at the worst Big 12 team but bottom six if not bottom four still probably if there's not at least another addition in my opinion right >> yeah absolutely and I mean you another thing I learned from this NCA tournament is how important your depth is and if you have good players coming you know if you have good bench players coming off and uh can give you a boost while while guys are in foul trouble or need to sit out for a little bit uh depth is is is important across all sports and it's it's massively important if you want to make a deep run into the NCA tournament.

[00:23:37]And so there are I I think that there are still some death pieces needed and there is still some uh some some areas of improvement on this roster. Can it be better? Again, that's I think the obviously the jury is still out. We need to wait for the season um to get here to see if this team can be competitive enough to not be a bottom not be the bottom team. But, uh, if if, uh, Alex Jensen can get some of these transfers that he's already brought in going, um, some transfers that I think, uh, are interesting, then maybe this team is a team that can come out from from the third or fourth.

[00:24:06]>> It's hope. I look at this team, right?

[00:24:08]Yeah. From the B. I know what you mean.

[00:24:10]Yeah. I hope. Wish they were up there.

[00:24:11]Wish they were up there. When you talk about issues I have with this men's basketball roster as look on paper, I think depth is a key one. I mentioned a couple of the guys I like, but if there's an injury or two, what happens?

[00:24:19]I think they're still undersized. That was a huge issue last year. Even with Fay back, he is only 69. I I think they're still undersized there. And also shooting Hulcom Fay not great three-point shooters, right? And we mention undersized even some of the guards. Bur is not the biggest guy at only 61, right? Uh Chapman, he's he's okay size-wise. Played in the Big 10, but even he only averaged four a game, right? So, and also that's not to mention like the David Cotas, the the Jackson Johnson's returning from their from their missions. Uh those guys I are they ready to go right away? Brandon was ready to go off his mission, but he was a lot better by the end of it than he was the start. I feel like Utah needs some of these mission guys to come back and be ready to roll right away.

[00:24:56]And it's just a lot of issues between those four things for a team that's trying to crawl out of the basement of the best basketball conference in college basketball.

[00:25:03]>> Yeah. And I think that's the hardest part, right? It's the fact that it is the best basketball in college basketball or the best conference in college basketball. Um, and it's going to be hard. It's going to be difficult no matter what you bring in and no matter who you can who you count on to compete against the Houston to compete against uh the the Arizonas, the Kansas, uh right there's a lot of blue blood blue bloods in basketball in this conference and uh Utah has a mount you mentioned earlier Utah has a mountain to climb and if they can figure out some size and they can bring in some some good shooting then maybe you know you can have a different conversation about this Utah team but I think I I feel like they've still got a while to go which is why I think the timeline um is still within two to three years as we were talking about earlier about making it into the NCA tournament. But again, Alex Jensen, I think, can can uh can continue to be the right guy to turn to turn it around.

[00:25:48]>> Yeah, I think and hope so too, man. I'm curious to see how it works out for Utah men's basketball. Alex, always a blast having you on, my friend. Please let everyone know where they can find more of you and your work at.

[00:25:58]>> Absolutely. Uh always a pleasure jumping on and you can find all uh everything uh Utah sports related Alex. That's on both Instagram and Twitter, Napoulos Alex.

[00:26:08]right now. Uh massive week coming up here with uh boys soccer and so that's where we're that's where we're at all week and so uh you can follow the local boys soccer high school coverage there at Napapolis Alex and at KSL Sports.

[00:26:19]>> Alex, you're the best. Appreciate you.

[00:26:21]>> Always a blast, man. Thanks for having me on as always.

[00:26:23]>> That's going to do it for this episode of Locked on News. We'll be back with you tomorrow talking all things Utah athletics then.