The video effectively exposes the moral incoherence of eternal punishment within a framework where evidence is withheld by design. It highlights the fundamental tension between a supposedly loving deity and the logical demands of human ethics.
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If God is all powerful, it definitionally must be true that he doesn't want me to believe in him because if he did, I would.
>> Um, well, if he was hiding, um, would it be the possibility for us to probably chase him as an irony or something?
>> Well, some pe some people would chase him and find him, and other people spend decades chasing him and never find anything. and he would know about that too, right? So any way you slice it, God does not want to be found by at least some people. Do you agree?
>> Depends.
>> What does it depend on?
>> Under a person.
>> Why does it depend on a person? If if God wants to be found by any given person, he just needs to make it make himself known. And it would be trivially easy for him to do that.
>> And in the Bible, he does it all the time. even comes down and walks in gardens with people and does all sorts of things. He's not shy to make himself known.
>> But instead, we get all these silly requirements of you have to believe without knowing and faith and all of this nonsense. And yet, he still threatens to chuck people in furnaces if they come to the wrong conclusion after all his silly games. It's ridiculous.
Um, >> can you give me the Bible verse that God does that? that he does the the Bible verse that he does what?
>> Like chop people off instantly.
>> I didn't say that he chops people off instantly. I said that that for example in Matthew 10:28 13:42. Uh we we hear uh speak about um fear those who can destroy both body and soul in hell and uh throw them into the furnace of fire where there will be weeping and nashing of teeth. So the l the language about what God is going to do to people who don't believe the right things is pretty stark, don't you think?
>> Well, that verse is like not talking about that about what uh what you're saying. It's about like >> um the the fear of men instead of God, not uh like the >> it's saying fear fear God, not men.
Don't fear the people who can kill you.
fear the one who can throw you into hell. And the reason he's going to do that is revealed in John 3:18 and Mark 16:16, isn't it? And have you read the book of Revelation?
>> I have.
>> So, what does it say in Revelation 218 about the fate of people like me, non-believers?
>> Um, let me look that up.
>> I'll show you.
>> You don't have to look. I'll show you.
So it says for the cowardly, the faithless, that would be me. The the the Greek there was aistos, by the way, meaning not believing. The polluted, the murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers. Do you see the the people that I'm being lumped in with, just because I just because God has so far not given me any evidence to persuade me, he's now lumping me in with the sexually immoral and the murderers.
Their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. So, am I going to get chucked in a lake of burning sulfur?
>> Um, if you don't believe, but it is a possibility to well, God is open, but we have to also >> um go and you know uh ask.
In the Bible, it says ask, it shall be given to you. So you can ask and >> the Bible makes lots of false promises.
The Bible also says in Matthew 21:22, "Anything you ask for in faith believing you will receive it." But that you and I both know that's a lie, don't we?
>> I don't think so.
>> Because there are millions of people who read that verse, asked for something like for their child not to die or for some terrible thing not to happen to their family and it happened. So that's obviously another bro broken promise.
But can you see the problem here that you agreed with me earlier that so far God wants me to be a non-believer because if he wanted me to be a believer, he's capable of making me one before his morning coffee. And yet we read in Revelation 21 that if he chooses not to make me a believer, then he gets to throw me in a burning lake. Is that does that strike you as morally sound?
>> You said choose. Are we able to choose whether or not we can believe?
>> Nope. He He said, "If God chooses not to reveal himself to John or me," >> I said, "If God chooses, the choice is his. I can't I can't choose to believe in something that I'm not persuaded is true, can I? Any more than you can finger?"
>> So, why is it morally right for God to punish me in a lake of fire? because he decided not to give me the evidence that he knew would be needed to persuade me.
Explain that to us.
>> Well, will be moral. Uh well, doesn't Well, so you're saying that God chooses himself to whether or not Okay. Uh, the cogs are turning. Come on, you can do it.
Let's see.
Well, I don't have an answer for that yet.
>> That's fair. So, think about it. Think about it. And And I can tell you now, you're not going to come up with a way of making that moral. So the only thing you'll be able to do is find an excuse for why that kind of horrific behavior is acceptable. And it'll be something like he made you, he can do what he wants with you. But we all know that's not really acceptable. There there is there is no moral answer to that.
Doesn't he not give like the um like the time and uh space so you can believe in him or does he not like directly know?
>> Well, I've been thinking about I've been thinking about this stuff for years and I could get hit by a bus tomorrow. It could happen and it has happened to many millions of people who have ended their lives not persuaded of the truth of this stuff. And according to the Bible, those people are are are headed for, you know, the furnace. And I think that's disgusting. And Christianity tells people that they're bad and deserving of punishment based on what they found convincing. That's ludicrous, morally idiotic. I understand that there are some Christians that usually sort of judge people on that. And well, as the Christian else, well, would it be possible to forgive us for that or something else?
>> Well, there's no there's in scripture there's no there's no forgiveness once you die. So, it's like the clock is ticking and you have to it's like a game show and you have to come to the right conclusions before you die. And Jesus all is all about forgiveness and loving your enemies and forgiving everything until the point you die and then there's no more forgiveness then you're screwed.
then it's >> I was saying about Christians that's like say those things or like since you're in sin you're going to this place like those kind of Christians I'm not really worried about the kind of Christians because you you can there's 11,000 different types of Christianity and people fall out over things like whether the communion cup should have a handle. I don't I don't care really about what certain types of Christians might say or do or think. It's more about the doctrine as embodied by the Bible as presented as the core tenant of the Christian faith and the Islamic faith too, which also has the ludicrous requirement to avoid punishment by being convinced of the right things. So I think maybe you need to just think about this. I highly I highly disagree with like Islam's teachings like >> Well, that's that's great. That's I'm glad you do. I highly disagree with them, too. But you're not standing on ground which is much better, unfortunately, because the teachings in your book are morally horrendous. The God that you worship is a complete beast. uh pro-slavery, pro- genocide, pro- killing children, pro- stoning people, pro- stoning women, pro- killing gay people is a complete monster. And then on top of it all, >> show me those verse.
>> I can show you all of them if you want to. Do you want to pick one? We we don't we don't want to take all night, but here's one that I think is pretty special. So, this is telling parents how to deal with rebellious rebellious kids, right? So this says if someone has a stubborn and rebellious son uh who will not obey his father and mother who does not heed them when they discipline him then his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of the of his town at the gate of that place. They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us.
He's a glutton and a drunkard. Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death." So shall you purge the evil from your midst. So this is a direct commandment telling parents what to do with, you know, maybe they've got a teenage son who's doing what all teenage sons do, pushing the boundaries a little bit, having a bit of fun, getting out there in the world, and just, you know, living a little bit. You got to stone him to death, man. That's the only thing you can do.
>> It says if it says if a man >> have a stubborn >> Yeah. If you have if you if you have a stubborn son, you have to kill them.
That's the what the commandment is.
>> Does it say kill?
>> Yeah. When you stone someone to death, they're typically dead afterwards.
>> And some do succumb of their injuries.
>> Yes. Stoning someone to death involves them being dead when you finished throwing the stones. That's what stoning to death means.
>> Do um may you give me some time to read this and then I'll come back.
>> Sure.
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it was, as you see, Deuteronomy 21:18.
So, go and have a read of that and yeah, come back and let us know what you think. So, you've got a lot to think about, right? You've got the Bible telling people to kill their kids and you've got God promising to set people on fire because he didn't give them the evidence they that they needed to believe. That's a lot for you to think about, and I do understand that it is.
So, dwell on that, and then come back and tell us uh when you're ready to leave the cult, and we'll welcome you in with open arms.
Okay.
>> All right. Take it easy.
>> Yeah. Goodbye.
>> Byebye. Bye. Bye.
>> Okay. Well, that was straightforward.
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